From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #100 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Thursday, July 3 1997 Volume 03 : Number 100 In this issue: (kw) EM Second Album Re: (kw) My Two Cents (kw) Another Kraftwerk(R) (kw) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:52:33 +-200 Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:52:33 +-200 Re: (kw) Musicomix Re: (kw) EM Second Album (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? Re: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? (kw) User In Trouble (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #99 Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed (kw) ra to wav converter Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio RE: (kw) Las Modelos. (kw) Father Ted Re: (kw) Las Modelos. Re: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? (kw) Kraftwerk-Logos for Win95 re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Last!!!!! (kw) First in America? Re: (kw) ra to wav converter WG: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed (kw) First in America? (fwd) Fw: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Re: (kw) ra to wav converter (kw) Live MP3 goodies here! Re: (kw) ra to wav converter (kw) Leaving.. Re: (kw) Leaving.. (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 06:33:49 +-200 (kw) Peers of KW Re: (kw) First in America? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 21:25:00 +0900 From: Kaoru Chida-BART Subject: (kw) EM Second Album Guten Tag! Werkers, My friend -he is an editor of a music magazine- taught me the recent state of ELEKTRIC MUSIC. Karl Bartos has already finished recording for his second album. There will be 12 popsongs with his on lead vocals, guitars(!!!!!), synthesizers... Maybe it will be out in this autumn. # I'm really looking forward to the album!! :) Wiederhoelen! KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 02 Jul 97 23:55:26 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) My Two Cents Lazlo Nibble was saying: >I'm not saying this to be self-serving; I didn't send off for a disc so I'm >not out anything in the deal. I can also understand Nexus's frustration, >having been in similar situations in the past. I just think there were more >elegant ways out of this situation than the one he chose is all, and I hope >that if anything like this happens on the list again (god forbid) we'll be >given a chance to work it out before someone throws the big OFF switch. Yea, I agree. Perhaps the next time folks will try to remember, though, that what they are receiving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right or service. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am -- Monty Python # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:45:41 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Another Kraftwerk(R) Hi, Check this URL --> http://www.kraftwerk.ch Regards Rafa. deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 07:54:08 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:52:33 +-200 Kevin Busby wrote: >=20 > Julian Seifert has kindly scanned Emil > Schult's > Musicomix art, and this can now be seen at > http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/musicomix/ >=20 > I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been curious about this for a > long time! >=20 Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks ago! Yes! Same here, suppose all Germanophone CD has the musicomix artwork. (Ralf und Florian that is) Or maybe it=B4s just here in Sweden :-) Uffe=20 _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= - -^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All = Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= - -^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:24:29 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:52:33 +-200 >> Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this >>Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks >>ago! >Yes, suppose all Germanophone CD has the musicomix artwork. >(Ralf und Florian that is) > >Or maybe it=B4s just here in Sweden :-) All Germanofon CD bootlegs of 'Ralf & Florian' (Germanofon 941023) do contain the musicomix insert. I guess because this bootleg is a German import, it's often hard to find in some areas, so there are people who haven't seen the comic yet. As far as I know, there is another bootleg of this album which does not contain the comic insert, as is also the case with some issues of the vinyl LP. In any case, the comic is a wonderfully Kraftwerk-esque piece of print, so thanks Jules for scanning it and sharing with those who hadn't seen it yet. - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:17:12 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Musicomix robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn):- >Then I must have been lucky, since I got a small version of this >Musicomix art sleves? (CD sized :D ) With the R&F CD I baught some weeks >ago! OK, it's not a mega-rarity. But I didn't get a copy with my vinyl copy of R&F (bought back when copies were still in the shops!) and not everyone wants or has access to the bootlegs. The access stats will tell whether these scans are worthwhile doing, I suppose! (I'm certainly glad of them!). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) EM Second Album In einer eMail vom 03.07.97 15:26:48 MEZ, schreibt VEE03563@niftyserve.or.jp (Kaoru Chida-BART): << My friend -he is an editor of a music magazine- taught me the recent state of ELEKTRIC MUSIC. Karl Bartos has already finished recording for his second album. There will be 12 popsongs with his on lead vocals, guitars(!!!!!), synthesizers... Maybe it will be out in this autumn. >> Yes, I heard / read this this, too: The next album seems to be out in september. (the perhaps-release-date of the also new Kraftwerk-album) # it's more fun to compute Carsten Bolte * Kiel * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 18:25:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tor Sigvardson Subject: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? Hello I guess you've already discussed this but I'm new to this list so... Did Kraftwerk play any new material at Tribal Gathering? I've heard a lot of rumours but not from anyone who was actually there. Were anyone on this mailing list at the concert? In that case, did Kraftwerk play any new material and if so what did it sound like? I would really like to hear first hand information on this subject. // Tor.S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 18:37:42 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? At 18:25 1997-07-03 +0200, you wrote: >Did Kraftwerk play any new material at Tribal Gathering? Yes, one song.. Hard to tell how it sounded like.. I was too excited to think!.. But it sounded Kraftwerk >I've heard a lot of rumours but not from anyone who was actually >there. Were anyone on this mailing list at the concert? In that >case, did Kraftwerk play any new material and if so what did it >sound like? I was there.. The whole concert(?) can be found at the Infobahr as RA (28k8/ISDN) Check it out.. Too bad, it's not possible to run fast-forward when listening.. (My ver of RA couldnt (3.0)) >I would really like to hear first hand information on this subject. There you are! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:24:07 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) User In Trouble Hi there everyone, Just a quick message from Richard Poolton, he is having serious problems with his server which will not be fixed until Monday 7 July. If you have been e:mailing him then please don't think he is ignoring you. Thanking you in advance for your patience. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 97 13:01:44 -0400 From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #99 From: Nexus > bla bla bla... > >So: > >1- As many of you have expressed their discontent to me, I'll treat >the packages that include what I asked for. The others I will not even >acknowledge, by e-mail or otherwise. Finally showing some sense.. >2- As it's getting on everybody's nerves, and particularly on mine, >I'll unsubscribe right after this message, for quite a while. People I >have good vibes with know who they are, and they should feel free to >contact me for the various things we are planning together. Do I detect the smell of burning martyr? >It was at the time the proposal was made that the flamers should have >woken up. It's a bit too late now. Always easy to bark when things are >engaged... Hindsight is always better than foresight, I suppose. >So long. Off to conquor some French mail order conglomerate no doubt.. Bruce ---- Bruce M. Lloyd, bml@bgi.on.ca http://www.geocities.com/~brucelloyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:49:38 +0200 From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio Hello Peter, It sounds reasonable, alltough a bit flat but I guess that's because the compression. (To be honest, I prefer my CD which contains more crystals). BTW: Be aware of copyright stuff. BTW2: Did you send the message a month ago, or do you have some date problems? - ---------- > From: Peter > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio > Date: zondag 1 juni 1997 23:27 > > > Hi > > I have struggled with RealAudio and have made a slightly shortened .RA > sample of the song Kristallo from the 1973 "Ralf und Florian" album.... > [stuff deleted]. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:46:50 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany this year. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) ra to wav converter Hi I've downoloaded the Tribal gathering ra-file from the Infobahr, and I'll like tio convert it into a wav or just any other sound format - so I can burn my own CD from the concert, but I can't find a program that can convert .ra to .wav - soundforge 4.0b can convert .wav to .ra, but not the other way around - can anybody help :-) Thanks Lars - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:51:42 +0200 From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) Kristallo song, RealAudio LM wrote: > You can get a lot of information about putting MIDI and Realaudio > files on web pages at Zap's page: > > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/ > Thanks! great info at Zap's page, it wasn't that hard to make a .ram file. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/kristallo.ram 28,8 /streamline realaudio I hope it works, next .ram hmmm maybe Tongebirge or Ruckzuck. Yes I had a problem with my computers date, 2 June is now 2 July. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:07:03 -0000 From: Claudio Falaschini Subject: RE: (kw) Las Modelos. Hi=20 > In 70=B4s in Spain was very frequently translating the titles of = songs.=20 > I have the original "THE MAN MACHINE" 1978 spanish edition...=20 > and The list tracks is: Here in Argentina "The Man Machine" was released with the name "La = Maquina Humana", and the tracks THE ROBOTS =3D Los Robots=20 SPACELAB =3D Laboratorio Espacial METROPOLIS =3D Metropolis THE MODEL =3D La modelo =20 (Not "Las Modelos" in plural) NEON LIGHTS =3D Luces de neon THE MAN MACHINE =3D La maquina humana=20 See you =20 Claudio Falaschini from Argentina info@playagrande.com=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:50:29 +0100 From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: (kw) Father Ted If you live in the UK check out Father Ted tonight (3rd July - C4 10pm). If I remember rightly this episode includes a little referece a certain Geman band.... Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 21:56:14 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Las Modelos. hi, Scott M. Barnhill wrote to the list: > Hi folks. I was just looking thru the KW discography and I noticed > a Spanish 7" single for "The Model" released in Spain in 1981. What I > find interesting about this single is that the track on side A is > listed as "Las Modelos". Wouldn't this accurately translate into > English as "The Models" in the plural tense? That would alter the > song's meaning a bit. I'm curious to know if anyone owns this single > and can let us know if the lyrics are sung in Spanish or not. If so, > I'd love to get a copy of those Spanish lyrics so we can see their > > precise English equivalent... > ...Just for the record, this 7" single is backed with "Amor de > Computadora" (Computer Love) as its B-side, and its catalog number is > listed as EMI 10C 006-064509. i have that 7". it's a-side is 'amor de computadora' (3:46), it's b-side 'las modelos' (3:38)(which was standard for the '81-edition of 'computerlove'). both songs are sung in english (standard uk-edit). the picturesleeve is different, it's the screen of the computer of the cw-album with the four yellow heads. the only spanish-sung kw-song i know is 'sex object' from the rare ec-album 'edicion espanola', emi 074-24 0688 1 (for details see aktivitaet no. 7) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:00:25 +0200 From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) Q: New material at Tribal Gathering?? RoBoten wrote: > I was there.. The whole concert(?) can be found at the Infobahr as RA > (28k8/ISDN) > Check it out.. Try my .ram file if you want to listen to the RA file while it downloads from the Infobahr. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/tribal.ram Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68 - '73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk-Logos for Win95 Hello ! Everybody who owns a win95-PC can use my startup-/shutdown-logos (instead of the Windows95 - sky and "please turn off now"): http://members.aol.com/depechecbi/private/electric.htm (just 9 Kbytes to download) Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:26:36 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Last!!!!! hi, Craig wrote to the list: > I have the SGR CD Kraftwerk live 1975, I understand that there is > another Live in Cologne CD but this time from 1971, I think. Is this > correct, if so what is the track listing? the cd is called 'bremen' although it's the cologne concert from 1971 (starquake sq-06) the track list: stratovarius / ruckzuck / vom himmel hoch also available on lp (ruckzuck 630 5051) as picdisc (the cone?) the sgrs cd craig mentioned is also available on lp (i offer one for trade on uffe's great markplatz, beside other records) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:35:33 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) First in America? Hey there, listies. Upon reading through the Dave Thompson liner notes in the jackets of my Cleopatra CD re-issues of 'Radio-Activity', 'Trans-Europe Express', and 'The Man-Machine', I found the claim made that "with all three now available on compact disc for the first time in America, we can all now discover where the "Autobahn" was really leading." However, when I check the Kraftwerk discography, there clearly were original versions of these three CDs listed for a 1985 release: Radio-Activity: CD 1985 EMI 777 7 46132 2 Trans-Europe Express: CD 1985 Capitol CDP 7 46473 2 (color picture sleeve) Trans-Europe Express: CD 1985 Capitol C2 46423 The Man-Machine: CD 1985 Capitol CDP 7 46039 2 So, can anyone tell me if these CDs from 1985 were in fact a reality, or were the Cleopatra re-issues indeed the first American CDs of these albums to hit the states. It wouldn't be the first time that the information in the Cleopatra re-issues was incorrect about something or other. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 21:51:14 GMT From: 58@bigfoot.com (Gary Mager) Subject: Re: (kw) ra to wav converter Lars : On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:53:00 +0200 (MET DST), you wrote: >I've downoloaded the Tribal gathering ra-file from the Infobahr, and I'll >like tio convert it into a wav or just any other sound format - so I can >burn my own CD from the concert, but I can't find a program that can convert >.ra to .wav - soundforge 4.0b can convert .wav to .ra, but not the other >way around - can anybody help :-) To the best of my knowledge, (and I have looked...) no such conversion is possible. Apparently, .ra is a "lossy" format that would not convert to any other format properly. About the only possible way of accomplishing a conversion is by actually doing a recording of the .ra output, and converting that recording to the desired format. Best, Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:55:14 +0200 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: WG: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed > hello everybody. > > in a newsletter from MCT I found the following statement: > > > Kraftwerk > > - ein seltenes Konzert findet zu Eroeffnung des ZKM in Karlsruhe > > am 18.10.97 statt. Es sind keine weiteren Konzerte in diesem Jahr > > in Deutschland geplant. Karten in Kuerze unter www.ticketworld.de > > thats mainly what Klaus already postet, except: > >>the concert will take place at the opening of ZKM in Karlsruhe<< and > > >>tickets will be available very soon at www.ticketworld.de<< > > does anybody know what ZKM means?? > > > martin > > Klaus wrote: > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany > this > year. > > Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:58:17 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) First in America? (fwd) > So, can anyone tell me if these CDs from 1985 were in fact a reality, or > were the Cleopatra re-issues indeed the first American CDs of these > albums to hit the states. It wouldn't be the first time that the > information in the Cleopatra re-issues was incorrect about something or > other. As you suspect, Scott, Cleopatra were once again full of "it" where this is concerned. The 1985 US CDs were not exactly thick on the ground, but they *did* exist. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:02:27 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed - -(Klaus Zaepke sez)- > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany this > year. - -!!!!- *wOw* -Now THIS is the kind of INFO we all NEED!! Vielen Dank!! ..........and they say miracles never happen. Any news on a US/World Tour? - -(yeah-h, riiight. In my Dreams....)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) ra to wav converter > To the best of my knowledge, (and I have looked...) no such > conversion is possible. Apparently, .ra is a "lossy" format > that would not convert to any other format properly. .ra is a lossy format, but that doesn't prevent it from being converted to .wav format -- anything your soundcard can play can be converted to .wav. If there isn't an ra-to-wav converter out there, it's likely because no one capable of writing it has seen a need to. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 00:09:27 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Live MP3 goodies here! Hi! I've been working on my own CD with (BBC) live recordings of the KW gig at TG. (I'll keep you posted because more non-BBC stuff IS coming - be patient). I've plucked Intro / Numbers / Computerworld from that CD. I don't have the space to put on the Net (sorry), but i'll be happy to sent it by e-mail to anyone who wants it (I guess there a quite a few on the list that don't have the Olympic CD (yet)). Its MP3, so very good 16 bits/44.1 kHz quality. It's about 9 mins. and the file itself is 7.7 MB approx. You need a MP3 player ofcourse (WinAmp is quite good under Windows95 - http://winamp.lh.net is tha place to be) Just send me a mail and in a couple of days i'll mail it ONCE (because to upload 7.7 MB takes some time and phonecosts) to all that have responded. Hope you don't come in hundreds. Laterz, Statik. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:26:12 GMT From: 58@bigfoot.com (Gary Mager) Subject: Re: (kw) ra to wav converter On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT), "Lazlo Nibble" wrote: >> To the best of my knowledge, (and I have looked...) no such >> conversion is possible. Apparently, .ra is a "lossy" format >> that would not convert to any other format properly. > >.ra is a lossy format, but that doesn't prevent it from being converted to >.wav format -- anything your soundcard can play can be converted to .wav. If >there isn't an ra-to-wav converter out there, it's likely because no one >capable of writing it has seen a need to. Well, yes, this is basically true. However, the way I've seen it described is that the output of a converted .ra file would be so incredibly bad that it's not worth the effort. Still, if you started with an high quality .ra, I'm sure the result could be acceptable for some uses. Best, Gary. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 97 22:06:23 -0400 From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) Leaving.. All, Here is my two cents on this whole Kraftwerk thing. Firstly, the people that I see are, well, morons. There are people here, i.e. ROBOT, who have taken the liking of Kraftwerk to a fanatical level. Look at what Ralf & Florian have said over the years, they don't like cult following, they don't like fanaticism. I agree with them when they say that to enjoy their music is to simply enjoy the music, not the people behind it. I bought my Volkswagen because of the car, not the people who made it. I couldn't care less about them (Mexican or German). It was the product, the simple, straight forward product. Nothing more. This is why I like Kraftwerk, because they're industrial folkmusic. Not rabid fans making silly t-shirts, or horribly designed web pages with ZERO content. Not a newslist with a bunch of crap endlessly spewing about absolutely nothing. Not a bunch of whiners who insist of ruining their art by creating BOOTLEGS! (Why don't you just kick them in the groin for God's sake and call them pathetic Philistines..) I also don't care about the tools they use. I don't care how my car was manufactured, nor do I care about the tools that Kraftwerk use. Why should I? I don't care about the paint brush that Kandinsky used to created "Black Relationship". Why should I? I want to enjoy the end product, not the means of how the piece of art got to that end. So for this reason, and for the simple fact that this list in itself spoils the very essence of what Kraftwerk are, I am leaving. Not only that, but the level of arrogant, blind stupidity that has infiltrated this list is simply shocking. When anyone presents a contrary point of view, the automatic response is that you *must* be American because we Europeans are so much more cultured and aware than anyone else. Again, this kind of nauseating attitude makes me want to vomit. Anyway, kids, it was fun. I managed to get a few people in tears, and so far, one death threat from an impotant Frenchman. Yippee! (Like thats a threat - more like a joke, really.) Bruce ---- Marhsall McLuhan was full of shit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:46:48 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. >Here is my two cents on this whole Kraftwerk thing. Firstly, the people >that I see are, well, morons. There are people here, i.e. ROBOT, who >have taken the liking of Kraftwerk to a fanatical level. Well, I realize that the above post is going to be receiving a good deal of response from people, so I'll not dwell on this one too long. I find it "moronic" in and of itself to refer to someone as a "moron" based on the intensity of their appreciation for a musical artist or the work they have created. Everyone on this list appreciates Kraftwerk to varying degrees of fandom, and ALL qualify as acceptable in my book. I will certainly stick up for ROBOT, as she happens to be an artist who utilizes her artwork as a vehicle of expression, and Kraftwerk happens to be just one of the many things she allows her art to act as an expression of appreciation for. This is as creative as any of the musicians on this list (myself included) who have recreated varying interpretations on the works of Kraftwerk using their home midi equipment. There is nothing moronic about it as it is productive, meaningful, and enjoyable for many of us to experience. >forward product. Nothing more. This is why I like Kraftwerk, because >they're industrial folkmusic. Not rabid fans making silly t-shirts, or >horribly designed web pages with ZERO content. Not a newslist with a >bunch of crap endlessly spewing about absolutely nothing. Whether the T-shirt are silly or the web pages are horrible is up to each respective list member to decide, and I do mean "respective". No-one can place definitive universal standards on what is to be considered of quality, and a healthy difference of opinion (without insult) is what makes the list go round. Those differences between us are wonderful things, and without them there'd be little of interest to talk about. If people were looking instead for a place where a like-minded uniformity of thought and opinion abounded, one might suggest alt.fascism. It would seem that there's been a lack of courtesy and respect plaguing this list of late, but I'd rather stick it out and see if we can't get things back on track rather than jump ship. >I also don't care about the tools they use. I don't care how my car was >manufactured, nor do I care about the tools that Kraftwerk use. Why >should I? Perhaps you shouldn't, but that is not to say that there aren't people on this mailing list to whom that information would be relevant. As I've mentioned, many of us are musicians on this list, and being people who appreciate the wonderful music and inspiration that Kraftwerk has given us artistically, it is of value to many of us to learn about the tools used to create the work. This can sometimes have a profound effect on our own music or art as well, and knowledge for knowledge's sake never hurt anyone as far as I'm concerned. Despite all the negative energy that's been eminating from this list in recent times, there are still a lot of decent respectful people out here (from a variety of countries mind you, UK, US, JP, AU, IT, SP, GE, and so on!) who engage regularly in what I consider to be interesting discussions that are relevant to Kraftwerk and their music, and as long as these discussions continue I will always feel at home here. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Und wenn die Nacht anbricht ist diese Stadt aus Licht!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:35:00 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 06:33:49 +-200 >Bruce Lloyd wrote: >(snipp) >So for this reason, and for the simple fact that this list in itself >spoils the very essence of what Kraftwerk are, I am leaving. Well goodbye then! _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 00:38:38 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Peers of KW Can anyone tell me who Man Parrish is? I loved the classic "Hip-hop Bebop." I always thought that if KW used "ordinary" equipment (808s, etc.), this is how they might have sounded. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 00:56:46 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) First in America? >>> So, can anyone tell me if these CDs from 1985 were in fact a reality, or were the Cleopatra re-issues indeed the first American CDs of these albums to hit the states. It wouldn't be the first time that the information in the Cleopatra re-issues was incorrect about something or other. <<< Yes, Capitol/EMI issued the CDs for the first time in 1985. The next-to-current Capitol/EMI pressings (which I have) of TEE and RA are C2-46373 and C2-46374, respectively. Now the "0777 7" prefix has been replaced in the barcode (not the catalog number), starting with a "6" and the catalog number on the barcode starts with "51" or something like that, although the catalog number has stayed the same. It seems that this pattern has been going on for all of EMD's (that's EMI Music Distribution for all y'all non-music-industry types) midline releases. I find the Cleopatra label extremely cheesy, and I can't understand why Caroline/Virgin continues to distribute a label with such an I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude about music and music packaging. 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