From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #114 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Wednesday, July 30 1997 Volume 03 : Number 114 In this issue: (kw) Kraftwerk - Gig in Linz Re: (kw) Are KW Excited? Re (2): (kw) New date & I'm out... (kw) KW news service (kw) From Postmaster (kw) KW news service (kw) KW tour 97 Re: Re (2): (kw) New date & I'm out... (kw) KW news service Re: (kw) Robots Video (Problem Solved) (kw) Karlsruhe - the story continues (kw) Robots Video (More problems) Re: (kw) KW news service Re: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:21:42 +-200 (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM (kw) Remake Blue Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM (kw) Re: ISP Problems. (test message) Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) Remake Blue Re: (kw) Karlsruhe - the story continues Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) KW tour 97 (kw) Yamo US release Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song (kw) Wolfgang Fluer lecture Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:02:20 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk - Gig in Linz Return of the Mensch - Maschine... Good news for all who live in the eastern part of Europe. On 16.10., Kraftwerk are playing in Linz (Posthof) / Austria! So need not to go to Karlsruhe. Tickets available at http://www.ticketworld.de Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! - -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:33:13 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Are KW Excited? On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Craig Land wrote: > > I wonder if KW are now excited that a German has won the Tour De > France?! Of course. And Ullrich (sp ?) will be one of the "guests" at the Karlsruhe gig. They're even thinking of hiring him as a future permanent member of the band or as technical consultant. They already have a robot with his face. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:56:34 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re (2): (kw) New date & I'm out... alpezi@zilli.priv.at writes: >The Concert will be on 16th of October in Posthof. >The Posthof is the main culure centre here in Linz. The Posthof consists >of 3 Concert Halls (Rooms). >The largest Hall can be filled with approx. 1700 People. >There is a area for standing in the front of the stage, in the back of >the >Hall there are seats located, like in a stadium. In my opinion, Posthof >is >the best location for a concert in Austria with the Brucknerhaus, where >the last kw-gig took place at the Ars Electronica Festival in June 93. Did you join the concert? I heard that they played 'Die Mensch Maschine' there... . There was a report in the ORF (Austrian Broadcasting Company) about the Ars Electronica, but nothing about the Concert. Excpt a litte report in the radio at =D63, which featured a short interview with Raph H=FCtter. I've recorded it, but it is in german. So if anybody is interested, maybe i could make a copy of it sometime... >Also you are also not allowed to smoke in the Posthof, but everybody >does... I just hope it will be allowed to take MiniDisc-Recorders into the hall... ;-) >There is also a restaurant located in the Posthof, which would be nice >for >a Mailing List Meeting.......... Yeah, this would be a nice idea... 'In Linz beginnt's...' Georgie Chain reaction and mutation, contaminated population... Stop radioactivity! - -------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:14:48 -0400 From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) KW news service In response to some recent postings about a Kraftwerk news list: try out uwp.maillist.kraftwerk if your news server carries it. There seems to be plenty of space on it-- I've only seen two messages on it so far. One was from ROBOT (who says she may be offline for a few more weeks, by the way), and the other was from someone who wanted to know why nobody ever posted anything! It might be a good place to post pix, samples, mods, etc... :-) Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:39:29 +0200 From: Anders Tolf Subject: (kw) From Postmaster essage-Id: <199707211354.WAA28770@mail.ra2.so-net.or.jp> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:58:58 +0900 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) X-Sender: hiro-m@pop.ra2.so-net.or.jp Subject: (kw) An article on latest KW work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.7r2-J14) Sender: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes Taken from a Japanese magazine "Keyboard Special" August/1997 issue, page 117 (a news page). Kraftwerk seems to be producing tracks for their brand-new album at their Klingklang studio. The album will hopefully be out in Europe in September, from EMI. It's also decided Kraftwerk will provide a track for Wim Wenders' new film "The End of Violence." The editorial staff can be reached at: Publisher: Mitsuhiro Hieda Monthly Magazine "Keyboard Special" Rittor-Sha Co., Ltd. Shio-Seven Bldg., 7-4 Honshio-cho, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo Japan ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:36:44 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) KW news service > In response to some recent postings about a Kraftwerk news list: try out > uwp.maillist.kraftwerk if your news server carries it. There seems to be > plenty of space on it-- I've only seen two messages on it so far. uwp.maillist.kraftwerk is a local-to-uwp gated version of *this mailing list*, which unfortunately leaked out of UWP at one point. The group should not be present on any machines outside of uwp. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:05:21 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) KW tour 97 Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? From Linz to Karlsruhe to... Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just like in 81. If you feel so, please post your name here. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:44:03 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: Re: Re (2): (kw) New date & I'm out... Hi! On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > >the best location for a concert in Austria with the Brucknerhaus, where > >the last kw-gig took place at the Ars Electronica Festival in June 93. >=20 > Did you join the concert? Yeah! First Row, I played Ralfs Pocket-Calculator. My wife touched (!!!!) Ralf. Then Ralf said: "Jeder kann Elektronische Musik machen!" > I heard that they played 'Die Mensch > Maschine' there... . Puhh, all I remember is that they played "The Man Machine" in Linz and/or Vienna...... Another funny stuff was: Tour de France in French, not in German..... > There was a report in the ORF (Austrian > Broadcasting Company) about the Ars Electronica, but nothing about the > Concert. Pah! There was a report in Television where you could see the Robots... Also a large Article in the Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten and also in the Krone.......... > Excpt a litte report in the radio at =D63, which featured a > short interview with Raph H=FCtter. I've recorded it, but it is in german= =2E Kein Problem fuer mich! Lass rueber das Zeugs..........! Ahh, yes I remember! It was about 4 PM when they broadcasted it.Ralf said in the Interview: "Kraftwerk ist die Mensch Maschine" and also other wired stuff...... > >Also you are also not allowed to smoke in the Posthof, but everybody > >does... >=20 > I just hope it will be allowed to take MiniDisc-Recorders into the > hall... Hmm, this could be a problem, there were heavy body visitations before the Entrance at Brucknersaal in 93 and also at Oberlaa in 91. > >There is also a restaurant located in the Posthof, which would be nice > >for > >a Mailing List Meeting.......... >=20 > Yeah, this would be a nice idea... Sag ich doch! Sers zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:25:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) KW news service > uwp.maillist.kraftwerk is a local-to-uwp gated version of *this mailing > list*, which unfortunately leaked out of UWP at one point. The group > should not be present on any machines outside of uwp. ...UWP being the University of Wisconsin - Parkside, where Dave Datta used to host this list. Sorry to pound everyone with strange three-letter acronyms. :-) And yes, if your news server is carrying the group, they really shouldn't be. (Unless you're at UWP, of course.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:39:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video (Problem Solved) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:42:49 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe - the story continues Hi all ! I was checking last week with some officials if, whether, how and blabla we can set up a sort of meeting point at the ZKM. ( Harald - ich rufe Dich am Mittwoch an, ich denke ich werde gegen Donnerstag wieder nach Karlsruhe fahren ) As for now our chances are quite good. They will hopefully find a little space in the neighbourhood of the kraftwerk stage. I said it could be funny if we were allowed to call this space "MASCHINENRAUM" / "MACHINE-ROOM" and they liked the idea.=20 I=B4ll be visiting them at thursday this week again ( hopefully with HARALD = ) and we=B4ll keep you informed. Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page under construction age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:22:19 PDT From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robots Video (More problems) Hello all, Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, and the annoyance to some. First off, I'm sorry to the people that wasted there time downloading the video, just to find that it was corrupt. The file was corrupted when I uploaded it. I will be re-uploading this file again. Secondly, I went way over my bandwidth limitations. The file will be avaible again once my cheque to pay for more bandwidth get thru. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:27:24 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KW news service In response to the newsgroup questions. I had already set up a newsgroup on the ALT genre. The Group name is : alt.music.kraftwerk My former ISP compuserve carried the group, and there were several postings to it, most of those now being list members! I have just requested that my new ISP, Cable Internet carry the group. They will do from next month. This group is on the recognised branch for this type of discussion, so if you want to gain a wider bandwidth than uwp.maillist.kraftwerk, you should request that your support representatives at your ISP carry the group. Then try to post to it. See you there! - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:09:03 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Drecker (?) FM review (not Kraftwerk) >And the video is rather interesting! Somewhere in the middle of it an >"Autobahn"-sign appears on the screen for a very short moment. In my >opinion >it is just too much "by the way" to be really without any intention. >What do >you think? They are too calculating and such super-perfectionists to let THAT slip past. It must be intentional. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:29:10 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:21:42 +-200 >After all this talk about Komputer/Kraftwerk, I heard Divine=B4s Love >= >Reaction today (no, not for the first time). > >My question now is, did New Order get paid for the obvious rip-off of >= >Blue Monday? DAMNED!! Now that IS old... Bobby O just ripped it off, completely - no regrets (you get the idea). If anything, possibly from underground clubs where 'Love Reaction' was generally played it gave 'Blue Monday' free publicity in my opinion. New Order simply can't take Devine too seriously - she didn't! ; ) Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:10:03 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Maybe someone else has done this before, but I came across this search engi= ne where you could see if your domain-name was taken and found this on kraftwerk=2Ecom :=20 >[rs=2Einternic=2Enet] Klingklang(R) Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz (KRAFTWERK2-DOM) Hochstrasse 24 Dortmund, D-44149 DE Domain Name: KRAFTWERK=2ECOM Administrative Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas (AK978) compusic@COMPUSERVE=2ECOM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hostmaster, C2 (CH1196) hostmaster@C2=2ENET 510-986-8770 (FAX) 510-986-8777 Billing Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas (AK978) compusic@COMPUSERVE=2ECOM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Record last updated on 03-Dec-96=2E Record created on 03-Dec-96=2E Database last updated on 27-Jul-97 04:44:59 EDT=2E Domain servers in listed order: NS=2EC2=2ENET 208=2E139=2E36=2E36 PANGAEA=2EANG=2EECAFE=2EORG 194=2E129=2E42=2E2 NS2=2EINFONEX=2ENET 206=2E170=2E114=2E3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's)=2E Please use the whois server at nic=2Eddn=2Emil for MILNET Information=2E Can anybody get something out of this? Who is for instance Andreas Kuckartz and compusic? Well I don=B4t know=2E=2E=2E /johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:19:46 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM >Can anybody get something out of this? >Who is for instance Andreas Kuckartz and compusic? Oh Blimey. Welcome back to the real world Jules!!!! Nothing has changed here has it?=20 Johann, check the digest archives and you'll find a load of info on Kuckartz and the whois system. - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM Just ran an Altavista search for "Andreas Kuckartz" and turned up http://www.compusic.com. I'm not sure exactly what to make of it, but Compusic apparently has something to do with electronic equipment (including musical instruments)-- the English documentation is a little vague. Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:34:42 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Remake Blue There has been mention of late that certain list members have seen copies of the KW Remake Blue for sale on the Internet. Can anyone advise me where to go to get this as I have the Remake Red and Pink already, but understand that the 'Blue' has a different track listing. I would thoroughly recommend these Acid/Trance style remixes if you are into that sort of thing. They are not the real deal, underground Chicago stuff, but worth having anyway. Craig. We walk into a club,.......and we start to dance, ..........we are.....? (Sing-a-long now!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:45:24 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 jbv wrote: > > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > like in 81. > Are my recent postings so stupid that no one dares to reply ? Actually, I find the idea of following KW tour pretty exciting. Of course, that's for list members with plenty of time to waste. I was even thinking of cycling from one city to the next... ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:10:35 +1400 From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM On 1997-07-29 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se said: >Maybe someone else has done this before, but I came across this >search engine where you could see if your domain-name was taken and >found this on kraftwerk.com : Where is this search engine? Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Home Page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald - bbs/Fax: 01 43 87 10 51 Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:27:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: ISP Problems. (test message) This is a test message to see if it's getting through to the list in one piece. I still haven't received my own post from earlier today regarding ISP problems, so perhaps this will do the trick. Still looking for Adam L. Read and Jessica, so if you guys are out there get back to me. :-P - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:32:12 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song >All KW songs are highly political. Mostly because of the topics. well, maybe you intend political not in the ideological (left/right, communism/fascism) way but meaning that K songs concern us as a whole, a society etc., for instance when they sing about radioactive pollution (even if I think it's a late feature) or even when they sing about models and reaction of the most of the men toward them. but The Robots being an antitotalitarian song... mmmh... I don't think. I even don't think it was conceived to be anticonformist or anti-something at all. same for Computer World: it's just a description, not a critic. after all, there's nothing wrong in this system if it works. of course, if you expext a band to transmit some particular kind of message, they could sing whatever and if they are clever, their message will come out. anyway, once I see a really nice electro-something band live, I don't remember their name (and I even bought the t-shirt... the logo is a sort of triangle point down), those who know them will recall them for sure: they are vegetarian, anti-omophobic, sometime they stop give the mic to the audience, etc. so, they make a song titled "Industrial music is fascism" (they were antifascist, of course), in which they take fun of Kraftwerk, miming them in TEE video etc. well, it was clearly an exaggeration, and even a little stupid for me. yes, the real industrial music is sometime ambigue when playing with totalitarian iconology (see Laibach), but this is not to reclute short haired molotov bombing types. you rely on more classical rock genres for this. the problem is that oftem people banalize everything. as a name Kraftwerk sound german and in some countries german is sinonym (sp?) of extreme right wing for some historical reason (I disagree at all with this - but it's istintive and stupid people don't stop to think if their instinct are right or if they know everything about german history and culture - maybe, who know, that italian language is associted to something else that we don't realize). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 01:05:11 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Remake Blue >copies of the KW Remake Blue for sale on the Internet. Can anyone >advise me where to go to get this as I have the Remake Red and Pink what are these things? I never heard (of) them... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 01:05:09 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe - the story continues >As for now our chances are quite good. They will hopefully find a little >space in the neighbourhood of the kraftwerk stage. I said it could be funny >if we were allowed to call this space "MASCHINENRAUM" / "MACHINE-ROOM" and >they liked the idea. this is a reason good enough for itself to go there... shouldn't we feel allowed to mint a semi-official t-shirt? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:41:29 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song lbo wrote: > but The Robots being an antitotalitarian song... mmmh... I don't > think. I even don't think it was conceived to be anticonformist or > anti-something at all. same for Computer World: it's just a > description, not a critic. after all, there's nothing wrong in this > system if it works. I always saw that song as their manifesto, not a political statement. > yes, the real industrial music is sometime ambigue when playing with > totalitarian iconology (see Laibach), but this is not to reclute short > haired molotov bombing types. you rely on more classical rock genres > for this. But the use given by Laibach is deliberate. It's not a question of ambiguity but rather a form of criticism and expression. Laibach have a very personal music style using nazi imagery because it fits their own purposes: the only music not affected by political manipulation (and, as we have seen, even Kraftwerk were manipulated by being characterized as a right-wing band) is the one that speaks of the manipulation itself, or so they say. > the problem is that oftem people banalize everything. as a name > Kraftwerk sound german and in some countries german is sinonym (sp?) > of extreme right wing for some historical reason (I disagree at all > with this - but it's istintive and stupid people don't stop to think > if their instinct are right or if they know everything about german > history and culture - maybe, who know, that italian language is > associted to something else that we don't realize). I agree, but you have to respect other people's opinions, if they find that something is offensive. I can also distance myself from the historical overtones that things or concepts have, but that does not give me the right to freely use them, even if it's not intended as harmful. For instance, you may regard the swastika as a pretty ordinary symbol from the rune alphabet. But it is undeniable that it carries a strong, different and offensive meaning for quite a number of people. Kraftwerk was a word that in the past was related to nazi rule, and so it is understandable that for some it is not readily acceptable (even in the instance that the meaning we fans of the band give it has nothing to do with past meanings). So it may not always be a stupid attitude, but more of a reaction with pretty good historical reasons. But I don't deny that all over the world there are people who react just because. And worst of all, they react because it is "politically correct," not because they formed a valid opinion on the subject. Just a few thoughts. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:26:58 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Hi! On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, jbv wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > > > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > > >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... > > > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > > like in 81. > > > Are my recent postings so stupid that no one dares to reply ? Yes, because there are two main problems: The first is called: TIME The second is called: MONEY SCNR ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:52:09 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Yamo US release From rec.music.progressive: > Subject: * * NEW RELEASES * * > From: "cleopatra@tunanet.com" > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:31:01 -0700 > > Cleopatra Label Group New Releases From July through September 1997 [...] > Hypno 9/9/97 * 0119 * YAMO (KRAFTWERK) * Time Pie * $15.98 * Hypno # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 02:26:27 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song >For instance, you may regard the swastika as a pretty ordinary symbol >from the rune alphabet. But it is undeniable that it carries a >strong, >different and offensive meaning for quite a number of people. >Kraftwerk >was a word that in the past was related to nazi rule, and so it is >understandable that for some it is not readily acceptable (even in the >instance that the meaning we fans of the band give it has nothing to >do >with past meanings). I realise that this might not seem appropriate, however, as an American who has no real idea of what Europeans are like - is the idea of nazi very prevolent? I'm not referring to seeing skins or whatnot, but is nazism commonly spoken about? In my community we very rarely make any remarks about nazi - except as a joke comparing an individual to a nazi - and even then it's extremely rare. I've never seen anyone purposely wearing the swastika, except skinheads or native americans (as a symbol of healing). Is political activism common thoughout Europeans? In my state, sure we bitch and moan about law, but we don't mull over the wars - - any of them. I've never really seen much of Europe aside from the television and movies, but people and ideas appear to be pretty much the same. Or, in fact am I getting a "sterilized" view of what people are really like? Kraftwerk appear as sanitary, but by being so I get the impression that it's all done "tongue in cheek". The music, the image, the interviews... From what I've read about them, they give such non-direct, impersonal statements that I can only assume that this is an over-obvious attempt to shroud. So obvious that again it's more humorous than serious in my opinion. From my perspective, they have been laughing at everything and everyone ever since they became Kraftwerk. "It's more fun to compute"? They are making important social views comical. I love them. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:28:58 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer lecture Taken from a recent KLEM newsletter: > KLEMdag 1997: > De voorverkoop loopt prima, en we kunnen twee extra aktiviteiten melden: > Der Vorverkauf geht prima, und wir koennen 2 neue Aktivitaeten > bekanntgeben: > The presales are going well, and we can announce 2 extra activities: > > Lezing door / Vortrag durch / Lecture by: > Wolfgang Flur (Yamo, ex Kraftwerk) > die zijn muzikale loopbaan vanaf het begin tot nu vertelt > der seine musikalische Biografie von Anfang bis jetzt erzaehlt > who tell his musical biografy from the early days till now [...] The 1997 KLEMdag takes places on October 11th, at De Vereeniging, Nijmegen, Netherlands. More info about the KLEMdag can be found at http://wwwps.uci.kun.nl/~matheu/klem/kldag.htm Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:25:44 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 >On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, jbv wrote: > > > > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > > >From Linz to Karlsruhe to... > > > > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > > like in 81. > > > >Are my recent postings so stupid that no one dares to reply ? >On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, SCNR wrote: >Yes, because there are two main problems: >The first is called: TIME >The second is called: MONEY Oh sorry ! I didn't know this list was a low-budget one... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:46:33 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Maybe this is just a bit of light humour, but lets not get into the snobbery discussion which indicates those of us who have perhaps more money than other list members. It's not big and it's not clever.......! Is it me, or has the list been extremely boring lately? No-body seems to have much to say these days! I have advertsied this on the Market Platz but I have some seven inch vinyl I am willing to trade or sell, they are: Das Model - German original picture sleeve Pocket Calculator - Yellow vinyl USA Promo, clear picture sleeve Tour De France - Warner Bros. Promo, no picture sleeve, but in the original Warner Bros. sleeve. French version and remix. Let me know what you have, or want to offer. Regards, Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:20:57 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song >>All KW songs are highly political. Mostly because of the topics. >well, maybe you intend political not in the ideological (left/right, >communism/fascism) way but meaning that K songs concern us as a whole, >a society etc., Well, that's a very interesting discussion which would require long developments. First, I'd like to say that by "political", I didn't mean left/right or communism/fascism which to me have nothing to do with politics, only with puppet theater. Someone else on this list mentionned the tongue-in-cheek attitude of KW and I think this is much closer to truth than stupid statements like "german musicians with short hair playing industrial music are certainly nazis". Actually, when I mentionned politics, I meant people who sing about our daily lives and our relationships with technology and the choices we're making regarding our future with those technologies ARE DEALING with political topics. I think KW songs could be a very good soundtrack for the books by Jean Baudrillard. Furthermore, their lyrics are so simple and so accurate (a little bit like japanese haikus) than various interpretations are possible, starting at the surface level and going deeper and deeper. KW are very good at pointing out the emptiness of our lives, in spite of all the useless techno toys we try to fill them with. Don't expect any straight message from their lyrics. But DO expect profound refelctions and thoughts and consistency from their work as a whole (melodies, lyrics, soundscapes, technological choices, concept of albums, attitude, public image, hobbies, concerts designs, videos, etc. etc.) Their work reminds me of some movies by Fassbinder (who, BTW, used some of their music in some of his movies, and forced the film crew to listen to KW music non-stop) : at first you can hear some nice pop tunes (just like Fassb. movies can be viewed as love stories). But with a clever look, you can see something more complex and consistent, dealing with the history and future of Germany and even the whole Europe (Europe endless). A good trick is to remember the social / political context of each album. Let's take Man Machine for instance. It was released circa May 78. What did we have at that time ? It was the end of the disco period and the start of the Moroder's sound in Munchen. Star Wars #1 had been released 6 months ago and the world was going crazy for D2R2. At the same time, it was a peak of cold war with Germany being the center of the discussion with plans of setting up missiles facing USSR on that territory, and people shouting "better red than dead". Then what did we get ? A song called THE ROBOTS with catchy sounds ala D2R2 at the beginning, a song called THE MODEL, and mostly an album cover inspired by El Lissitzky, showing 4 german guys in red shirts and black ties posing like members of the red army and looking towards east... And I don't forget the cyrillic lettering and the russian lyrics of THE ROBOTS. In short, each KW album is, IMO, a very good polaroid shot of the period of time it was released. Sorry, I don't have time for further developments, but I hope it won't end the discussion. - ----------------- On the same discussion, someone from the US wondered whether "the idea of nazi is prevolent" in Europe ? Well, (and in few words), svatiska and skinheads are the trees hiding the forest. Fascist ideology is getting much more clever these days and uses much more sophisticated disguise. What about a trip to France, that wonderful and cultured country where the leader of an extreme-right party gets 15% of votes at the first round of presidential election ? Austria is another cool place : their mountains, their countless historical places, their fascist party... Is this totally off-topic with a KW list ? May be. May be not... 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