From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #115 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Friday, August 1 1997 Volume 03 : Number 115 In this issue: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) Yamo US release Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song (kw) Cleopatra Re: (kw) Cleopatra Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) Cleopatra Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) Yamo US release (kw) update! Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) Yamo US release Re[2]: (kw) KW tour 97 (kw) Tickets for Linz Re[2]: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song (kw) Klaftwelk Re: (kw) Cleopatra re-issues. Re: (kw) Klaftwelk (kw) new TdF image (kw) Musicomix Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Re: (kw) Musicomix Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:54:24 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 Craig Land wrote: > > Maybe this is just a bit of light humour, but lets not get into the > snobbery discussion which indicates those of us who have perhaps more > money than other list members. It's not big and it's not > clever.......! > Question 1 : have you ever heard the expression "tongue-in-cheek" ? Question 2 : do you really think I could have enough money & time to follow a band on a world tour ? Question 3 : suppose I have enough money & time to follow a band on a world tour, perhaps a few other list members are in the same situation and could be thrilled by the experience... Question 4 : do you really think I'm thinking of cycling from New Delhi to Tokyo to Sydney ? OK. If every one thinks it's going bad taste, I'll stop. (However, I really like the idea of following KW -and ONLY KW- on a world tour, or at least on a european tour, which shouldn't be that expensive). Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:47:48 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 >Is it me, or has the list been extremely boring lately? No-body=20 >seems to have much to say these days! It's the list Craig. I'm tryin' to think of something to post m'self. BTW, hey Richard P, my mails to you are bouncing like my cheques!! Where are you? - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:06:40 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo US release On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:52:09 +0000 "Klaus Zaepke" writes: > > >>From rec.music.progressive: > >> Subject: * * NEW RELEASES * * >> From: "cleopatra@tunanet.com" >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:31:01 -0700 >> >> Cleopatra Label Group New Releases From July through September 1997 >[...] >> Hypno 9/9/97 * 0119 * YAMO (KRAFTWERK) * Time Pie * $15.98 * Hypno That's great, but why does it HAVE to be on Cleopatra? I think that label must be the worst in the entire country. That I-don-give-a-fuck-about-the-music-and-its-artwork doesn't sit well in my stomach. After the horror stories about the Cleopatra re-releases of the KW Capitol/EMI albums and the awful job they did on the "Goa Box" I don't think I'll ever buy something on that label ever again. They do such a shitty job, as if the music is disposable garbage. The only label that might be worse is that no-talent Master P.'s No Limit Records. Ever seen such cheesy graphic design? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:54:42 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 >(However, I really like the idea of following KW -and ONLY KW- >on a world tour, or at least on a european tour, which shouldn't be >that expensive). well, after all a K world tour would mean that everybody will have to travel less to see them... but on the other way, we could loose the occasion to (ehm...) gather in Karlsruhe or Linz and acquiring visibility as fan group (having "our space"... wow! :-) ) anyway I was a tour manager for some time, that means go on tour with foreign bands through Italy trying to avoid that those poor guys accustomed to strange north-european uses like respecting signed contracts were completely ripped off by local organizers, with groups like Thin White Rope, Lush, Sister Double Happiness, In The Nursery and others. it was the best job I ever did, and I wouldn't believe that people get even paid for this. anyway, from the audience point of view... mmmh... I don't know. now that I am "retired", I can't really just see a concert and have fun... and for the relatively unknown group I was with, it was a good surprise to see same faces after two dates and they get in touch with them, but with K... the interesting thing is that most of us in the list, I saw from the home pages, are also electronic musicians, so if they are workers of music and we shouldn't care of who play music like we shouldn't care who built our car (but I will anyway), we could care about having them to "teach" us something... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:54:50 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song >For instance, you may regard the swastika as a pretty ordinary symbol >from the rune alphabet. But it is undeniable that it carries a strong, >different and offensive meaning for quite a number of people. Kraftwerk yes, I agree that I would have an hard time explaining to the mother of my jew friend why today someone will tatoo himself a svastika because it was one of the most ancient symbols of the cultures of all the world etc. and it was just lately that it was strongly misused, so to say. (same when explaining an old italian partisan why Daf are not fascist apologetic when singing Tanz der Mussolini). then again the use of svastica, outside of the nazi meaning, of course, but for instances referring to the its true old meaning cannot be morally vetoed forever. not that I feel an urge to that, anyway. (now think about it: in some alt.politic.something people could tell that there is a neonazi Kraftwerk ml where there is this lbo guy that say is good to use the svastika again... italian newspapers are full of this shortlinks) instead we should pose moral veto on dangerous ideologies, not just relying on symbols and symbology but examining them, from where they came and where they are pointing and by which means, something that require effort that not everybody want to take - so, you dress black? you're fascist and we beat you. so we feel meritorious easily and rapidly and even save to think about it. too easy. you listen Kraftwerk? Kraftwerk=german, the only things I know from Germany is Rudi Voeller and nazism, you're not a footbal fan so you should be a nazi. now, while in effect I respect the feeling of offended people, when the reasoning above is made by young mentally lazy people that ask their parents money to buy books and records on how to be young anticonformist rebels, then I should call this stupidity. At last, this should have been the word, superficiality. now, having once been injuried for really silly syllogistical reason like above by a lot of unknown drunk ones at an university party, I am offended when people stop to the skin of the matter when they have the resources to think better. >react because it is "politically correct," not because they formed a >valid opinion on the subject. yes, this is better condensed, what I tried to say. now turning to Kraftwerk, the world need (to emphatically put it) a group that can sing about antennas and oscillators, about computer archives etc., even if in a impressionist way, about technology for the sake of itself, because technology is not just a tv remote controller, but is something you should put some effort to understand, not just feel, and is not an opinion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:55:02 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Cleopatra >That's great, but why does it HAVE to be on Cleopatra? I think that label c'mon, after all Cleopatra is the only one that take care of another group I like a lot, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry. yes, sometime the artwork could be better, but think about it: you have a record to get out, you're probably a few people firm, the guy who do computer images is on vacation or your mouse is broken, you have distribution contracts to honour, you make it in a way or another that this record get on the market without too fuss. it's better a so-so product (or a so-so cover) than no product at all... and maybe there is a market that calls for low prices things to listen, even if they are not the best audio quality... we are not all pro dj or owner of hi hend equipment. take myself: 90% of the music I voluntarily listen is tape through a medium quality walkman... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:11:55 -0400 From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra For all their loathsomeness, at least Cleopatra brings albums back into print with additional remixes, b-sides and etc. I just got their reprints of two essential Heaven 17 albums, and they're soon to release The Human League's DARE... Aldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:20:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:22:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:25:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:41:46 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra >For all their loathsomeness, at least Cleopatra brings albums back >into print with additional remixes, b-sides and etc. I just got their > >reprints of two essential Heaven 17 albums, and they're soon to >release The Human League's DARE... They also sign groups like Kraftwelt and put out those 'Trancewerk Express' discs... They are not at all a "quality" record company from the recording standpoint, which is such a pity, but they do rock because of the risk-taking ventures with otherwise non-mainstream music. Let's face it - Kraftwerk is not mainstream music, therefore they are considered to be a money pit by investing record companies. I'm appalled at the reproductions from a consumers view, but very impressed with the balls that Cleopatra has for investing in them. The Capitol box set on the other hand... ;) Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:59:26 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song >>Is political activism common thoughout Europeans? >Isn't it in America? Not really... Although I am bias by the groups I hang around - technogeeks, nerds, bookworms, drag queens and goths. We so rarely discuss, debate or otherwise mull-over the events of the nation. I wouldn't say that we are not concerned so much as uninterested. >> From what I've read about them, they give such >> non-direct, impersonal statements that I can only assume that this is an >> over-obvious attempt to shroud. So obvious that again it's more >>humorous than serious in my opinion. From my perspective, they have been >>laughing at everything and everyone ever since they became Kraftwerk. >I think it is about art again.When you start doing things like >'Kraftwerk', you only have a little idea what it is all about and >where it get's you. Then you try to make your expressions and people come >and talk about it and you realize: 10 people have 11 different >understandings of what you are trying to say. So what they decided to do >is, making the statements such ambigous that it's hard to argue about >it. But the real exciting thing of Kraftwerk is -in my opinion- that >they are doing such great art, that people will talk about 10, 20 or >more years later and still say there were true and important things in >their words. Like there are still true and important things in a >painting of e.g. Vincent van Gogh. I feel that you've really hit the heart of it. Kraftwerk is a concept, not at all associated with music per se, but the music is an extension of the idea. This makes me really wonder about the Ralf and Florian... Are they "acting" Kraftwerk, or did they one day discover that the way that they think and act is Kraftwerk? Natural or not, they are facinating people. Does anyone know if Ralf has a wife, girlfriend, lover or whatnot? I've heard that Florian has a girlfriend whom he is seen with, but nothing about Ralf. Only the bicycle friends, coffee-house pals and Kraftwerk members are who I hear of him being seen with. This hidden dimension of relationships is carefully masked from most Kraftwerk activity. Why? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:37:20 +1000 From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 jbv wrote: > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? > Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just > like in 81. Got my ticket to ZKM show today! ...now I just have to work out how to get from Sydney to Karlsruhe......... Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:15:06 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) KW tour 97 > Anyone interested in following the forthcoming KW tour ? >> Let's hope they'll go as far as New Delhi, Tokyo & Sydney, just >> like in 81. Yes, I'm hoping they'll go all the way to Mars!=20 hmmmm, I'll phone Ticketmaster tonight! - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song >people. Does anyone know if Ralf has a wife, girlfriend, lover or >whatnot? I've heard that Florian has a girlfriend whom he is seen with, >but nothing about Ralf. Only the bicycle friends, coffee-house pals and >Kraftwerk members are who I hear of him being seen with. This hidden >dimension of relationships is carefully masked from most Kraftwerk >activity. Why? Well, this aspect of their private lives wasn't always kept such a mystery. Think back to 1973, when not only was some of the photography inside the 'Ralf & Florian' album cover done by Florian's girlfriend Barabra Niem=F6ller, but the Musicomix insert contained pictures of Ralf & Florian's significant others (Isabella & Barbara respectively), not to mention Florian's mom and sisters as well. =20 Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:02:00 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >Think back to 1973, when not only was some of the photography >inside the 'Ralf & Florian' album cover done by Florian's girlfriend = Barabra >Niem=F6ller, but the Musicomix insert contained pictures of Ralf & = Florian's >significant others (Isabella & Barbara respectively), not to mention >Florian's mom and sisters as well. =20 Also, Bussey's book mentions that Ralf lives with his Sister.=20 I wonder, do you think his only long lasting love affair is with his bikes? Shimanofillia springs to mind....... - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:21:30 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo US release On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:06:40 -0400 muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: >That's great, but why does it HAVE to be on Cleopatra? I think that >label must be the worst in the entire country. That >I-don-give-a-fuck-about-the-music-and-its-artwork doesn't sit well in >my stomach. After the horror stories about the Cleopatra re-releases >of the KW Capitol/EMI albums and the awful job they did on the "Goa >Box" I don't think I'll ever buy something on that label ever again. >They do such a shitty job, as if the music is disposable garbage. The >only label that might be worse is that no-talent Master P.'s No Limit >Records. Ever seen >such cheesy graphic design? Peace. hey, at least they re-release a truckload of stuff...the music is from the masters, so who cares about cheesy packaging...i say god bless cleopatra/hypnotic...(who else would release a 2cd set of cluster's american tour?) tom w np: brand x - live at the roxy la 1973 (on: who else?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:51:01 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update! Hello, folks!=20 =20 I have now updated my KW web page with two more pics.=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 =20 CUL8R !=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. Noone has commented yet on the new Tour de France image at=20 www.kraftwerk.com=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:03:40 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Bill C Talley wrote: In my community we very rarely make any > remarks about nazi - except as a joke comparing an individual to a nazi - Germans are very sensitive about nazi and all related stuff, they don't joke about it, mostly, but when they do, it's kind of bad tasted. Is political activism common thoughout Europeans? Isn't it in America? From what I've read about them, they give such > non-direct, impersonal statements that I can only assume that this is an > over-obvious attempt to shroud. So obvious that again it's more humorous than serious in my opinion. From my perspective, they have been laughing at everything and everyone ever since they became Kraftwerk. I think it is about art again.When you start doing things like 'Kraftwerk', you only have a little idea what it is all about and where it get's you. Then you try to make your expressions and people come and talk about it and you realize: 10 people have 11 different understandings of what you are trying to say. So what they decided to do is, making the statements such ambigous that it's hard to argue about it. But the real exciting thing of Kraftwerk is -in my opinion- that they are doing such great art, that people will talk about 10, 20 or more years later and still say there were true and important things in their words. Like there are still true and important things in a painting of e.g. Vincent van Gogh. TD - -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:18:02 -0400 From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo US release >hey, at least they re-release a truckload of stuff...the music is from >the masters, so who cares about cheesy packaging...i say god bless >cleopatra/hypnotic...(who else would release a 2cd set of cluster's >american tour?) >tom w My two cents: Cleopatra is better than nothing at all, which is what you get in my neck of the woods (Atlanta), nothing else otherwise. I don't understand about the packaging, unless there are different versions. I have The Man Machine and T.E.E. and they look almost identical to the album versions. Except for the added comments by certain writers of magazines, etc. I did see the triple set of CD's and was going to buy it but I didn't have that much money at the time. I bought T.M.M. and T.E.E., but now I can't find Radio Activity which was the third in the set. Those are the only CD's I have seen lately except for Electric Cafe. I also am wondering if The Mix ever made it to CD. I have the cassette copy but it got ruined. I was looking through some of my tapes and found OMD's Sugar Tax album. That's the one with their version of Neon Lights. I had completely forgotten about it. I am still kinda new to this list and wondered if it has been talked about before here. Ralph P.S. I am not putting anyone down about their views on Cleopatra, but some of us have to take what we can get. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 97 10:06:21 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) KW tour 97 Mr Land wrote: Is it me, or has the list been extremely boring lately? No-body seems to have much to say these days! >> Damn right Craig, someone stir things up for god's sake!<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:38:52 +0000 From: "Alexander Peter Zillner" Subject: (kw) Tickets for Linz Hi! Ticket pre-sale for Kraftwerk at Linz on 16th of October will start on Thu 28th of August 14.00 MEST. Further Infos: +43-732-781800 Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 97 16:00:27 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) The Robots as a political song Does anyone know if Ralf has a wife, girlfriend, lover or whatnot? I've heard that Florian has a girlfriend whom he is seen with, but nothing about Ralf. Only the bicycle friends, coffee-house pals and Kraftwerk members are who I hear of him being seen with. This hidden dimension of relationships is carefully masked from most Kraftwerk activity. Why? >>My theory is that the "real" Ralf Hutter is only seen when the videoscreens are lowered to the sound of Robotronik. The Ralf that rides the bike is a look- alike actor used for concert appearances only!<< regards to all Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:22:58 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song Jules Seifert wrote: > > > Also, Bussey's book mentions that Ralf lives with his Sister. > I wonder, do you think his only long lasting love affair is with his > bikes? > > Shimanofillia springs to mind....... > This is typical to the overall atmosphere of this list : a discussion about political dimensions of KW lyrics turns quickly into a discussion about Ralf's possible love affair with his bikes or his sister... CRAP-Werk, really... When you consider the center of interests of some KW fans, it's easy to understand why R&F didn't release anything new in 11 years ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:49:45 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Klaftwelk Hi "Werkers" Hmmm... Got the Japan CD of Computer World today, and as I was looking at the lyrics I found the following: "Interpol and Deutschland, FBI and Scotland Yard"!!! While on the sleeve, it says: "Interpol and Deusche BANK, FBI and Scotland Yard". And thats not the only one!!! So, if you cant even get that one right, why bother? Ive noticed this on, like 98 percent of my Japan CDs. Why dont they just connect to the Kraftwerk Infobahr for instance, and get it all right? Ok, so they got "Its more fun to compute" right, but still ;-) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra re-issues. > I don't understand about the packaging, unless there are different >versions. I have The Man Machine and T.E.E. and they look almost identical >to the album versions. Except for the added comments by certain writers of >magazines, etc. You lost me on this one. Out of the three Cleopatra re-issues, 'The Man-Machine' (CLEO58772) is the one which has a different album cover than the original version of the album. It features a close-up shot of the 4 KW members' heads in ascending order (Florian, Ralf, Wolfgang, Karl). This picture was taken from the photo which appeared on the inner sleeve of the original 'Man-Machine' album on Capitol. The actual cover artwork of the original 'The Man-Machine' LP appears nowhere on the Cleopatra version's packaging. As far as the other two Cleo re-issues go, they much more closely resemble the original covers, but still contain slight differences. For instance, the 'Trans-Europe Express' re-issue contains a darker tinted version of the J. Stara cover photo, as well as re-sizing and re-arranging the band name and album title. As for 'Radio-Activity', the re-issue's cover contains an enlarged band name and altered coloring on its cover. See below for more on this one. >that much money at the time. I bought T.M.M. and T.E.E., but now I can't >find Radio Activity which was the third in the set. That's funny, 'Radio-Activity' has always been the one I've seen more frequently than any other KW compact disc in the catalog! Considering the fact that Cleopatra has re-issued this disc in slightly different packaging three times so far since 1992, one would expect to find it easily in one form or another. In '92 it was re-issued with the green-tinted radio cover against black background, and subsequently it has been released by Cleopatra with a silver-tint version and a white-tint version as well. Obviously, of these the white-tint version looks the most like the original Capitol one. > Those are the only CD's I have seen lately except for Electric Cafe. I >also am wondering if The Mix ever made it to CD. I have the cassette copy >but it got ruined. Sure enough, 'The Mix' was released on compact disc in both the German & English language versions, as well as cassette and vinyl, all in 1991. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill MBARNHIL@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Klaftwelk >Got the Japan CD of Computer World today, and as I was looking at the lyrics I found the following: >"Interpol and Deutschland, FBI and Scotland Yard"!!! >While on the sleeve, it says: "Interpol and Deusche BANK, FBI and Scotland Yard". >And thats not the only one!!! >So, if you cant even get that one right, why bother? :-) I had mentioned this to the list not so long ago when I picked up my copy of that disc as well. My personal favorite is the translation of "Home Computer": "Natural ran my home computer, in myself and to the future." There's a couple of other little translation mishaps, but all in all it's a cute item to own, and it's also nice having an official copy of "Dentaku" on CD as well. - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:31:36 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) new TdF image >P.S. Noone has commented yet on the new Tour de France image at >www.kraftwerk.com I went to see this image after I read here that they substituted the faces of Bartos and Fluer, but I could not have spotted the faces character, the image was too granulose. I was using 800x600, 65k colors... maybe I didn't wait enough? does somebody really recognize characters in those faces? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:31:33 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Musicomix >Niem=F6ller, but the Musicomix insert contained pictures of Ralf &= Florian's I never see this Musicomix, ever in the K pages around. can somebody tell me if is viewable (sp?) somewhere or what it is? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:15:51 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song jbv wrote: >This is typical to the overall atmosphere of this list :=20 >a discussion about political dimensions of KW lyrics turns quickly=20 >into a discussion about Ralf's possible love affair with his bikes=20 >or his sister... Er, I think you'll find that it DOES have a bearing on the question that was posed to the list. the question asked by Rich. P was whether Ralf has a girlfriend, and if not, why not.=20 I simply replied that he probably is more in love with his bikes, and has no time for anything else. I DID NOT imply anywhere that a incestuous relationship was possible. Listen, we've had this discussion about what goes on in the list before, and I don't think you, or anybody else has the right to tell me what I should post, or for that matter what subjects we may discuss. I suggest you read the post again, and properly this time. The part at the end was a light hearted 'aside' from the actual reply I was trying to get across. If you want a 'stiff' list, go find another one. jeeeesus.......ROBOT where are you? - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:21:04 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Musicomix lbo wrote: >I never see this Musicomix, ever in the K pages around. > >can somebody tell me if is viewable (sp?) somewhere or what it is? Yes, it is on Kevin busby's pages as below:- http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/ jbv, y'see I do contribute to the list. I scanned the bloody thing!!! - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:19:26 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Robots as a political song OK, Jules. Let's take it easy. I don't want this to turn quickly into a stupid argument, like it happens too many times on too many other lists. So let's keep a good atmosphere on this one. I just want to give some precisions. We are both adult people, so let's talk calmly like adult people. > Listen, we've had this discussion about what goes on in the list > before, and I don't think you, or anybody else has the right to tell > me what I should post, or for that matter what subjects we may > discuss. You are 100% right. Every member is totally free to post anything he wants on this list, and I surely have no right and no reason to decide what should be posted or not. Furthermore, I think that in a recent past, I also had my share of interesting and stupid postings as well. And yes, your message was an answer to the question whether Ralf has a girl friend or not. However, I still think that your posting was awkward : in this context, I don't see any reason to mention that Ralf lives with his sister. Furthermore, if I remember correctly (sorry, no time to check), Bussy's book also mentions that he lives with other members of his family (apart from his sister), and that he has a "friend" named Sandhya Whaley whose voice can be heard on the song "the telephone call". > I DID NOT imply anywhere that a > incestuous relationship was possible. May be do I have a problem with my libido that leads me to strange interpretations... Another awkward aspect of this thing is that the same thread (The Robots as a political song) was used for this new discussion : I have the feeling it just put an end to the previous discussion which I found pretty interesting, and I kind of regret it... > If you want a 'stiff' list, go find another one. Jeeesus ! This is the last thing I want !!!!!!!!! > Further to that, don't fucking question my interest in Kraftwerk. Actually, I was not questioning anyone's interest in KW. I was just regretting that the centers of interest of many KW fans rarely go beyond a certain step... Like basic facts... Even Bussy's book is highly disapointing on that matter. But the way I did post my reaction to that point was certainly awkward. > I have been a fan for many, many years, have you? Were you at ALL the > tours and appearances in the last 20 years? I must say that I didn't have that privilege, and I envy you, really. If we are about to deliver the trophy to the best KW fan, I can say that I bought their first album circa 1971, and that I saw them live for the first time in the suburbs of Paris in 1973. And when parts of that show were broadcasted on french TV a couple of weeks later (on Pop 2 program, I think) on saturday afternoon, I had a big fight with my father who wanted to watch soccer on the other channel. - -------------------------- Jules, I know you've been on this list much longer than me. You also certainly noticed that email is a terrible bootleneck regarding communication between people, and leads too often to misunderstandings, because a large part of the countless shades of human attitudes disapear in that media. Furthermore, several lists members are not 100% fluent in english, and differences between cultural backgrounds increase the problem. I think it's a good reason to be very careful in the way we post to a list, and to try to keep things going as cool as possible, but also to preserve some intellectual & cultural level. Are we still good friends ? Are we gonna shake hands at Karlruhe meeting ? jbv jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #115 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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