From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #120 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Sunday, August 10 1997 Volume 03 : Number 120 In this issue: (kw) 1981 concert videos (kw) Introduction Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Re: (kw) Poll Re: (kw) Faulty address alert!! Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD (kw) New album according to aftonbladet... Re: (kw) New album according to aftonbladet... (kw) the 'new song' Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Re: (kw) Introduction (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Re: (kw) the 'new song' from the present Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD (kw) Panasonic (was: the 'new song' from the present) Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts (kw) Some Reviews Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger News Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:52:29 -0400 From: altrnote@sprynet.com (Joe Schepis) Subject: (kw) 1981 concert videos On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, "Klaus Zaepke" wrote: > >The following is an attempt to summarize all the available information >about these videos in one list. >The list is obviously very fragmentic, but maybe there are a few more >eye-witnesses of the 1981 concerts, who are able to fill some of the gaps? > I witnessed the New York City concert on 3 August 1981 at The Ritz. During the song 'Radioactivity' the video screens displayed a computer animation of an atom with orbiting electrons and the word 'radioactivity' flashing beneath. As the Radioactivity Suite (as I call it) moved on to 'The Voice Of Energy' it changed to the graphic of the antenna tower from the inside sleeve of Radio-Acvitity, only animated with slowly radiating concentric ellipses (a bit like the www.kraftwerk.com index page but a much cooler and smoother black and white animation). This continued to the end of 'Ohm Sweet Ohm.' Normally I would not trust my memory from 16 years ago as being accurate. However the day after the concert I made some very detailed notes about everything I witnessed so I could review the show for my college newspaper. It took a while to find the notes but I am confident this is accurate info. The other video descriptions mentioned recently are consistent with my recollections as well. Hope this helps share the joy. Joe Schepis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:14:38 PST From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: (kw) Introduction Hello, I'm new on the Kraftwerk mailing list so I'll introduce myself briefly. My name is dON eITNER (aka UncleGrim & Freiheit), I'm 22 years old, live in California, usa, don't speak more than a few words of German but love Kraftwerk all the same. I've been a fan since about 1992 when my cousin introduced me to The Mix and Computer World. I'm a writer (novel, short stories, poetry/lyrics) and would very much like some day to have a band which will cover various styles including some very Kraftwerk-esque styles. Thanks a lot, I hope to have a great time on this list and I hope I meet some cool people. /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:48:58 -0400 From: Alex Laney Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Ra wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rafa wrote: > > > I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine > > with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? > > Being one of few (if not the only remaining) Canadian list member and > a KW > fanatic, you'd think I would know the answer. I don't. If I recall correctly, there was a problem with the sound quality of the Canadian pressing, and you could return it and get a replacement in the mail. So it was re-released. But I don't believe this was an alternate version, although I guess if you have the 'bad' version, it is unique today. Alex Laney, Alden Consulting, Ottawa, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:15:32 -0400 From: Alex Laney Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum No heresy intended ... Now that KW seems to be re-activating, does it seem that they are now a 'retro' act? My perspective: I have never seen a KW show, I don't know if they have played anywhere near where I have lived. (Ottawa and Toronto, Canada) So if I were to see a show now, it would be the first time. And if it is like the TG show, it is a Greatest Hits show, which is what passes through regularly in North America cities. Every Rolling Stones show and especially the Eagles tour. I think this new album will answer a lot of questions. I am reminded of some words that Tom Hanks said of doing Apollo 13. How they were doing a period piece about a spaceship going to the Moon. And how odd that felt. I mean, I have always thought of KW as being very forward-thinking, ahead of its time, etc. But from here, it's like they have disappeared for 10 years. But to get more to the point, there are some TG attendees on this list. What did it seem like? I have heard the real audio from the infobahr and liked it, but I can't compare. I wonder if they have new ideas. And IMHO, I think this is an excellent mailing list! Very little noise. Alex Laney Alden Consulting, Ottawa, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 07:29:05 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum At 01:15 1997-08-09 -0400, Alex Laney wrote: >But to get more to the point, there are some TG attendees on this list. >What did it >seem like? I have heard the real audio from the infobahr and liked it, >but I can't >compare. I wonder if they have new ideas. When I listen to "The Mix" (-91) it sound very Kraftwerkish and new.. even 6 years after the release.. "The New Song" Played at TG, feels like they have listened to various music and mixed it together into a kraftwerk-reality. Trance Pocket Calculator on Acid maybe.. Old + New would I say =P //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:59:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 jss@onestone.de wrote: > > it would be more great examples of KW remixing KW. :) > > ...what has been great with The Mix ? Actually, they've added a HiHat, > removed the noise we know now for more than 20 years, finally managed to > save their work into the present (in '91). Beamed themselves into the future, so to speak. Personally, The Mix is my favorite. Computer World is a close second. > It's nice to see that they made music for the 90s in the 70s (that's *the* > thing on Kraftwerk), but now they should start over and produce music which > becomes popular in 2010 ! Maybe that's what they're working on. But the sample of their new track from The Gathering isn't very encouraging. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:04:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Poll On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, POOLTON, Richard wrote: I'm posting this to the list in case this is the problem with the poll. > Two replies so far, come on you lot you can do better than that! > Let me know your favourite group, other than KW, and your favourite solo artist. Is one of them mine? If so, here's the reason others are having trouble. Your e-mail address appears in your messages as: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.dmgexhib.co.uk I tried that three times and got bounced. The final message I sent to: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk and it didn't bounce. If you got one copy of my message, Richard, then that's probably why. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:05:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Faulty address alert!! On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, POOLTON, Richard wrote: > Those wishing to mail me re the favourite group poll should reply to: > richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Doh! Well there you go. Ignore my last message, everyone. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:11:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Alex Laney wrote: > act? My perspective: I have never seen a KW show, I don't know if they > have played anywhere near where I have lived. (Ottawa and Toronto, > Canada) So if I were to see They played in Toronto. Not sure of the exact date, but it was on the order of 12 years ago. A friend of mine went to see them. He said they had a little electronic keyboard radio-linked to one of their synths, and they passed it around so the audience could jam with them. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:56:44 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Ra wrote: >Beamed themselves into the future, so to speak. >Personally, The Mix is my favorite. Computer World is a close second. Guys, I don't want to get into the old 'which is the best' argument again, suffice to say that IMHO 'The Mix' was the first album Kraftwerk made that sounded dated when it was released.=20 Honestly, the bands sprouting up at that time (during the rave scene in the UK) were by far more advanced in their production and ingenuity. If the next album is to be a 'Mix 2' I for one will be bitterly disappointed.=20 It would finally seal the nail in the Kraftwerk coffin. hmmm.... BTW - wonder if Ralf would like to be buried with his bikes??? ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:34:43 +0200 (MDT) From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) New album according to aftonbladet... The article Conny mentions is available at http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9708/07skivor.html I've mailed aftonbladet and asked for information on what source they have for the KW-date. /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:dvlawm@cs.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * *************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:21:15 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) New album according to aftonbladet... At 13:34 1997-08-09 +0200, Anders Wilhelm wrote: > >The article Conny mentions is available at >http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9708/07skivor.html correction: http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9708/07/skivor.html I believe they just based that on rumors... 30% of the papers articles are crap anyway. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:35:24 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) the 'new song' >discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) >Since I STILL have not heard the >entire 'new song' yet (ie WHY is every version of the TG concert clipped >just short of the 'new song'?!?!?) It's short - but it sounds great! Music of the next century... Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE - ------------------------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:29:53 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD >Mike Morgan >Hey guys I was just reading an old issue of Future Music with an >interview with Ralph in at the time the Mix came out. >In it when asked why they left out so many obvious tracks he replied >that maybe the would like to do another Mix 2 in the future . >So my nightmare thought is... what after waiting 15 yrs for new >material ... all we get is another rehash of oldies ( but goodies ) >....!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Maybe there will be two albums...one with new material and the other 'Mix 2'. I would like to have 'new' versions of The Model, Showroom Dummies,... Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE - ------------------------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:39:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > >Beamed themselves into the future, so to speak. > >Personally, The Mix is my favorite. Computer World is a close second. > I don't want to get into the old 'which is the best' argument again, As long as it doesn't degenerate into a flame war, I like to hear other peoples' opinions on these matters. The hard part is to get everyone to keep an open mind. > suffice to say that IMHO 'The Mix' was the first album Kraftwerk made > that sounded dated when it was released. > Honestly, the bands sprouting up at that time (during the rave scene > in the UK) were by far more advanced in their production and You have to realize it's not quite that way here. What's "hot" in Europe is what's just starting to appear in North America, and it doesn't become "hot" here until a year or two later. In my experience, anyway. > ingenuity. If the next album is to be a 'Mix 2' I for one will be > bitterly disappointed. > It would finally seal the nail in the Kraftwerk coffin. Well yes, I can agree to a certain extent. Not getting something completely new after all this time would be a big letdown. But I think a "Mix 2" would be less of a coffin nail than nothing at all. At least it would keep the LW name in the public mind. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:07:53 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful thought about the new CD Ra wrote: >But I think a "Mix 2" would be less of a coffin nail than nothing at = all. >At least it would keep the LW name in the public mind. Point taken RA, I too would like 'something more than nothing' but, as we now know that there IS new material available, it would be a shame if it didn't see the light of day....... ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:07:59 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Introduction freiheit@tstonramp.com wrote: >I'm new on the Kraftwerk mailing list so I'll introduce myself briefly. = =20 >My name is dON eITNER (aka UncleGrim & Freiheit) Welcome to the List Don, =46or all the other list members, Don came to us via our IRC web page, and joined in the discussion there. (I seem to remember we were talking about computers though!) I mentioned the list to him, and he was interested. So, come on listies, what are you waiting for? Go get an IRC client and get interactive!! ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:09:22 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival http://www.users.wineasy.se/conny.annica/bootlegs/ Have a look at the Kraftwerk section: Kraftwerk/Great Britain/Luton Hoo/Tribal Gathering/Festival/1997-05-24/110 min/Very Good/Includes a new unreleased track! And "Man Machine" He's got the whole concert... regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:40:38 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) the 'new song' from the present > It's short - but it sounds great! Music of the next century... Hmm, I thought I've heared that fat acid bass several times before, but I might be wrong. Does anybody of you know the finnish group Panasonic ? Their music sounds like from the next decade, esp. the '95 album 'Vakio'. regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:14:55 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD >> ingenuity. If the next album is to be a 'Mix 2' I for one will be >> bitterly disappointed. >> It would finally seal the nail in the Kraftwerk coffin. 'The Mix' is only comprised of remixes of previously released material. If this new album is supposedly 'The Mix II' then it wouldn't it also be comprised STRICKTLY of previously released music too? We've all heard the little "snippet" of the *NEW* song, so logically that means an album of all new pieces. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD the "snippet" of the new song scares me a bit as to what KW are doing with their time. bikes anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:01:58 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: > >the "snippet" of the new song scares me a bit as to what KW are doing >with >their time. bikes anyone? You know, if I heard the entire piece I might have a different attitude towards it. Also, who's to say that KW didn't display what they currently consider the "weakest" link on the disc for testing. That old addage goes "you are only as strong as your weakest link" - and with as much research as they perform, this fits in with their style and attitude. Just a thought... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:01:08 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing >I think that many of this list secretly hope that choir sound is >a sculpted sound, and not a preset from a Mellotron or anything like >that. But according to another recent posting, the Mellotron Web >page lists RA & TEE as albums where a mellotron is used (the vocal >harmonies in Showroom dummies for TEE I guess). >If it were true, it would be quite disapointing... Nonsense! I'm not at all disappointed if this is true. It just once AGAIN displays the genius of KW. They are able to take a very simple sound from a rather "common" synth and layer it perfectly into their music. The sounds work so well, it's very arguable about the exact sources used. God, I'd LOVE for them to take some of the newer digital boards and "werk" them over too!! I'm guessing that this new album is going to sound more like digital sounds acting analog from the little snippet of 'New Song'that I've heard. On an off note (pertaining to the "influence" of the new album) - I'm thinking that it would be cool if KW did an album based on major ethnic festivals and holidays. Today is Homowo, an African harvest festival - I am listening to the rhythms and very minimal "xylophone" style instruments and can imagine KW doing something similar (using electronic soundscapes.) Also, the exacting dances of some of the tribes represented really look robotic. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:33:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Bill C Talley wrote: > On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: > >the "snippet" of the new song scares me a bit as to what KW are doing > >with their time. bikes anyone? > > You know, if I heard the entire piece I might have a different attitude > towards it. Also, who's to say that KW didn't display what they > currently consider the "weakest" link on the disc for testing. That old > addage goes "you are only as strong as your weakest link" - and with as > much research as they perform, this fits in with their style and > attitude. Just a thought... Based on what I know of KW, I'm sure they were just testing the waters with that piece. I agree that it's probably not one of the major pieces for the next album (if there is one). They probably just wanted to see if people liked it and would be excited by new material. Plus, it's a teaser. It's different enough from previous werks to get people speculating. I've heard the snippet. I don't think it's inherently bad, but it shocked me a little. It doesn't sound like KW at all. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:58:24 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: (kw) Panasonic (was: the 'new song' from the present) jss@onestone.de wrote: > Does anybody of you know the finnish group Panasonic ? Their music sounds > like from the next decade, esp. the '95 album 'Vakio'. Yeah, and their newest (I think) album 'Kulma' is great, too! Now, back to Kraftwerk: I don't think it's fair to expect KW to invent a new style of music AGAIN. They already did their thing. Now if they can put out a reasonably fresh variation of their style, that's enough for me. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Aug 97 20:30:46 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts jbv was saying: >> sounded like them at all - the Orchestron and Mellotron were innovative >> instruments back then....I think it is totally up KW's alley to use an >> instrument that utilized glass discs to read photoelectric information to >> create sounds.....exceedingly innovative - years before laserdiscs and CDs >> came out.......................... >You know, I'm not disapointed because they used a mellotron instead >of spending 200 hours in the studio sculpting a single choir sound. >But I don't really understand why people who certainly spent much >time and efforts in designing synthetic singing solo voices, didn't >use that knowledge on choir sounds as well. The reason is because it is not possible, at least on an analogue synthesizer, to sculpt a realistic choir sound. Wendy Carlos tried to do it on a classical work in 1969 - it was so unrealistic that she didn't release it (she discusses it on her "Secrets of Synthesis" album). If Wendy Carlos can't do it, then you can be SURE it's impossible! :) >May be the word "preset" doesn't exactly fit for the mellotron. Since you can't edit the sound or alter it's qualities, then I think it is pretty much the same idea as a preset. Changing presets on a standard Mellotron is not an enjoyable pastime! The entire rack of tapes had to be removed and replaced with a rack of different sounding tapes. >And I don't think they should always have their own unique equipment >which must be 20 years ahead of everything. I'm not that kind of crazy >fan. Well, they might want it this way so that they can create unique and interesting sounds. >Simply, in the same interview I mentioned in another recent posting, >Ralf says that in the 70s they had a special vocoder build for them >by Sennheiser, and another one by Siemens. What for ? To answer the >phone ? Bussy says in his book that there was no phone in the studio... No no! A vocoder is used for speaking sounds (for instance, "The Robots"). >And at that time (late 70s & early 80s) I remember having a lot of fun >"sculpting" choir sounds with a home-made vocoder, and also digitizing >waveforms of single wovel sounds into a ROM driven by a VCO. Yes, this is possible. >That was, IMHO, technology much simpler than a mellotron or a Vako >Orchestron, but also much more exciting, because one could have more >control on the spectrum of the sounds... Yes! I agree completely! :) - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ "Recursion : see Recursion" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:00:51 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Some Reviews Hi 'Werkers, British monthly magazine "The Wire" (issue 162, August 1997) has some reviews of latest CDs of Kraftwerk-related musicians. Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" (Too Pure, Pure 70, CD/LP) Conrad Schnitzler "Rot" (Plate Lunch, Punch 01, CD) Conrad Schnitzler "00/106" (Plate Lunch, Punch 02, CD) For details, please refer the issue. The publisher can be reached at . ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:45:31 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger News Hi 'Werkers, At 2 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > 2. The following projects are currently in preparation: > b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan concerts, Live CD??? 8-) I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. How the disk will be? I'm just curious. 8-) I just hope the La! Neu? flag, which was only sold at the place & from Captain Trip, becomes a rarity. ;-) Best, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:29:16 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival jss@onestone.de wrote: >Kraftwerk/Great Britain/Luton Hoo/Tribal = Gathering/Festival/1997-05-24/110 >min/Very Good/Includes a new unreleased track! And "Man Machine" > >He's got the whole concert... I've been in contact with this guy. It appears he has the same recording as I have, a pretty good (in parts) recording from the festival. I can, with the author's permission, eventually offer this on a CD to the list, but I'm waiting for confirmation of the first mastered copy. This guy wants to trade 2:1 so I'd be wary. ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:22:22 -0400 From: Regor@webtv.net (R D) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Regarding the 110 min. KW TG-97 tape, Joerg-Stefan, do you have the tape or you are just giving the info for the following site: http://www.users.wineasy.se/conny.annica/bootlegs/ If you have the tape, please give us more info on the sound quality etc... Anybody already made a trade with them? Do we need to have a tape of a show or a radio broadcast to trade with them? Are they reliable? Thanks. - -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:38:38 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Sorry, I do not have the tape, I only provided you the information that it is actually available ! regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Awful and discardable thoughts about the new CD In a message dated 97-08-09 22:06:53 EDT, you write: << You know, if I heard the entire piece I might have a different attitude towards it. Also, who's to say that KW didn't display what they currently consider the "weakest" link on the disc for testing. That old addage goes "you are only as strong as your weakest link" - and with as much research as they perform, this fits in with their style and attitude. Just a thought... >> Well - the entire "Mix" album, in my personal opinion (which means nothing but to me!), is pretty weak....someone recently said that it was the first thing they released that sounded dated from the get-go and I will agree.....so based on the snippet of the new song that I've heard, i'm gonna guess that most of the music is quarternote bass drum, off-beat hi hat, and a techno 303 bassline. KW don't seem too interested to deviate from the norm within an album anymore....like TEE. many of the songs had nice, simplistic, mechanical driving tunes...and then they interject with something unconventional like "Hall of Mirrors." That, to me, is very interesting and daring....like the entire "Radioactivity" album. About the "research" that they do. Can we really believe everything that Ralf tells us? I mean, supposedly they've been working endlessly on new material in their scientific lab since 1986....then they come out with a song like the new one? Hmmm. to me anyway - that doesn't warrant 11+ years of "research" (unless they actually are doing research for other audio interests like synth companies etc....) this is just what i've been pondering lately :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing In a message dated 97-08-09 23:10:30 EDT, you write: << Nonsense! I'm not at all disappointed if this is true. It just once AGAIN displays the genius of KW. They are able to take a very simple sound from a rather "common" synth and layer it perfectly into their music. >> I agree with this. Didn't Ralf do an interview with Keyboard magazine or something in the early 80's where he displayed that "Pocket Calculator" could be played and programmed on a typical Casio synth, thereby showing that music really is for the whole of mankind (or something like that???) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:10:34 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival OK, about the fuzz around the TG-recording. It is actually me who keeps the list pointed to earlier. So it's not anonymous. I hope I'm recognized by at least some of the list members since I by now have posted quite a few messages to the list. I didn't want to publish the address of my tape-list to the mailing-list, by several reasons. Mostly because of respect to the ones on the list who owns this recording. I didn't record it myself, and the holder of the first generation recording is on this list. So I didn't find it appropriate for me to "compete" with these people here on the list. They did me a favour, I want to be fair to them. But now someone else published the address. I can do nothing about that. And of course I'm interested in trading tapes. The reason why I keep a list is because I frequently trade tapes (by many different groups) with people all over the world. It is common practise to have a page with the tapes you want to trade for other tapes. *In this sphere* it is also common practise to re-trade items you have got through trades, that's how it works. This is actually semi-legal by law and 100%-legal by most peoples morality standards. I woun't make more advertisement here on the list about the items I have. I'm always interested in trading, but if you want to trade with me you will have to find my list by e-mailing me privately (or find the message sent by someone else). I don't find it fair to use the list as a forum for information about the specifics of my TG-copy. I hope no-one feels treated unfair by this little accident, and I hope that I and everybody elso who likes tape-trading will be able to continue doing so, off the list. 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