From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] B of M - 2nd European Edition Date: 11 Mar 2001 21:50:53 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0AA75.59596420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is from ABE - Grandin is offering the following book: =20 Orson Pratt Liverpool 1849 2nd European edition. Leather Very Good -- = Rebound in leather with blindstamping size: 12mo =20 =20 $7500. =20 Question: I have a 2nd European edition that appears to have been = rebound. I took it to the William Andrews Clark Library (one of the UCLA = libraries) and compared it to their copy. My book is virtually identical = in every way, but in better condition than theirs.=20 =20 The binding is a black material with crossing lines on it (diamond = pattern). The text block is in very good condition. The pages are = darkened with age, but very readable and no obvious defects. =20 Should I have mine rebound? If this is worth $7500 in a nice leather = case, what would mine be worth as is?? =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0AA75.59596420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is from ABE – Grandin is offering the = following book:

Orson Pratt Liverpool 1849 2nd European edition. Leather Very Good -- Rebound = in leather with blindstamping size: 12mo =

$7500.

Question: I = have a 2^nd European edition that appears to = have been rebound. I took it to the William Andrews Clark Library (one of the = UCLA libraries) and compared it to their copy. My book is virtually identical = in every way, but in better condition = than theirs.

The binding is a black = material with crossing lines on it (diamond pattern). The text block is in very = good condition. The pages are darkened with age, but very = readable and no obvious defects.

Should I have mine = rebound? If this is worth $7500 in a nice leather case, what would mine be worth as = is??

--Steve

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Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re-introductionn + Obscure publication question Date: 12 Mar 2001 23:31:43 -0800 (PST) I have what I assume to be a first printing of the Covenant reprint edition. It has only the following printing info on the copyright page: Second Edition Revised and Enlarged September 1991 There is no explicit statement as to the printing nor is there a printing number line. Brian's post indicates there were 3 printings of the Covenant reprint edition in addition to the Deseret Book edition. David assumes that the 3 printings include the Desert Book first edition as the first printing. Anyone know for sure? It has also been reprinted recently in a trade paper edtion. Bob Carter --- David Kenison wrote: > At 11:22 AM 3/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Because Keith opened the door for "boring book > nuts" type questions, I'll be > >the first to pose one. I have been assembling some > bibliographic information > >on books published in 1990s and I need help > locating a second printing copy > >of Covenant Communications' edition of Gileadi's > _The Last Days: Types and > >Shadows From the Bible and the Book of Mormon_. > The first printing was in > >September 1991 and the third printing was in > February 1992. Both are > >common. > > > >1st printing—Sept. 1991, 2nd printing—___, 3rd > printing—Feb.1992. > > I have a first edition that shows Sept 1991 as you > note. My later edition shows; > > Second Edition Revised and Enlarged September > 1991 > Third Printing February 1992 > > I assume second printing was the first printing of > the second edition. > > David Kenison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew T. Wirthlin" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:16:16 -0700 Shelfers, Wow, how nice it is to have the old shelf back! I was a shelfer four to = five years ago, and owe so much to what I learned on the shelf from many = of you. I dropped off the shelf, due to some technical difficulties, but = as I followed the discussions on the archives, I didn't appear to miss = much. =20 Enough with the babble and on to my question. There was a book written by = Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) = called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes = answers to some of the "problems" posed by the Book of Mormon. It is a = white book, with green writing on the dust jacket. I have heard, and I = don't recall my source, that this book was received somewhat cooly by = general church leaders and also by the general membership. I understand = it only went through one small printing and then was not reprinted despite = demand for the book. =20 I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult to = find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is. Does anyone = know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book? What = would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)? = Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find? Any information anyone has would = be helpful and interesting. Thanks. Matt - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:26:29 -0700 I just took a quick look on Bibliofind, and saw five copies listed at $30, $75, $27.50, $12, and $15. The $30 copy is signed by Sperry. Based on this, I would say that it is not particularly scarce, and not particularly valuable, in monetary terms, at least. Roy >>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" 03/13/01 02:16PM >>> Shelfers, Wow, how nice it is to have the old shelf back! I was a shelfer four to five years ago, and owe so much to what I learned on the shelf from many of you. I dropped off the shelf, due to some technical difficulties, but as I followed the discussions on the archives, I didn't appear to miss much. Enough with the babble and on to my question. There was a book written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the Book of Mormon. It is a white book, with green writing on the dust jacket. I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the general membership. I understand it only went through one small printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book. I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is. Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book? What would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)? Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find? Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting. Thanks. Matt - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew T. Wirthlin" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:32:20 -0700 Thanks, Roy. It appears that maybe that $75 one on Bibliofind may have = heard the same story I did, or the ones selling for much less don't really = know how scarce this book is !! Curt or Hugh, is this book on Benchmark's Want List? Have you guys seen = many copies? >>> SCHMIDLG@con2.byu.edu 03/13 2:26 PM >>> I just took a quick look on Bibliofind, and saw five copies listed at $30, $75, $27.50, $12, and $15. The $30 copy is signed by Sperry. Based on this, I would say that it is not particularly scarce, and not particularly valuable, in monetary terms, at least. Roy >>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" 03/13/01 02:16PM >>> Shelfers, Wow, how nice it is to have the old shelf back! I was a shelfer four to five years ago, and owe so much to what I learned on the shelf from many of you. I dropped off the shelf, due to some technical difficulties, but as I followed the discussions on the archives, I didn't appear to miss much. =20 Enough with the babble and on to my question. There was a book written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the Book of Mormon. It is a white book, with green writing on the dust jacket. I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the general membership. I understand it only went through one small printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book. =20 I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is. Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book? What would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)? Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find?=20 Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting. Thanks. Matt - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Curt Bench Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:08:02 -0700 --------------764C0F33B67012F74F90FB96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Matthew T. Wirthlin" wrote: . There was a book written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the Book of Mormon. It is a white book, with green writing on the dust jacket. I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the general membership. I understand it only went through one small printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book. > > I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is. Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book? What would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)? Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find? Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting. Thanks. > > Matt, Problems of the Book of Mormon by Sperry is not especially scarce; I've had quite a few copies for sale over the years. However, there is a story behind it, but, unfortunately, I know only a few details. As I learned in my younger days at Deseret Book, Bookcraft first published the book (written to answer anti-Mormon charges against the Book of Mormon) with that title. Then someone with influence (presumably one of the Brethren, but I'm uncertain of that) commented that there are no problems with the Book of Mormon, that this was an inappropriate title, and that it should be changed. The new title was Answers to Book of Mormon Questions and this is the book that one finds much more often than Problems . . . We have an ok copy of Problems with no dj for $16.50; in my opinion, a nice copy in dj ought to be $25 or so. Answers. . . tends to run $12-15. This situation is a good example of what can happen when a book is suppressed or "bowdlerized," even mildly. When collectors know of such actions, they usually want a copy of the pre-doctored book. We booksellers love it when that happens. Curt Bench > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" --------------764C0F33B67012F74F90FB96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

"Matthew T. Wirthlin" wrote:
. There was a book written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the Book of Mormon. It is a white book, with green writing on the dust jacket. I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the general membership. I understand it only went through one small printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book.

I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is. Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book? What would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)? Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find? Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting. Thanks.
Matt,

Problems of the Book of Mormon by Sperry is not especially scarce; I've had quite a few copies for sale over the years. However, there is a story behind it, but, unfortunately, I know only a few details. As I learned in my younger days at Deseret Book, Bookcraft first published the book (written to answer anti-Mormon charges against the Book of Mormon) with that title. Then someone with influence (presumably one of the Brethren, but I'm uncertain of that) commented that there are no problems with the Book of Mormon, that this was an inappropriate title, and that it should be changed. The new title was Answers to Book of Mormon Questions and this is the book that one finds much more often than Problems . . .

We have an ok copy of Problems with no dj for $16.50; in my opinion, a nice copy in dj ought to be $25 or so. Answers. . . tends to run $12-15. This situation is a good example of what can happen when a book is suppressed or "bowdlerized," even mildly. When collectors know of such actions, they usually want a copy of the pre-doctored book. We booksellers love it when that happens.

Curt Bench

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--------------764C0F33B67012F74F90FB96-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew T. Wirthlin" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:46:06 -0700 Curt, As always, you are a wellspring of information. Thanks for the rest of = the story. =20 Matt >>> cbench@netzero.net 03/13 3:08 PM >>> Problems of the Book of Mormon by Sperry is not especially scarce; I've = had quite a few copies for sale over the years. However, there is a story = behind it, but, unfortunately, I know only a few details. As I learned in = my younger days at Deseret Book, Bookcraft first published the book = (written to answer anti-Mormon charges against the Book of Mormon) with = that title. Then someone with influence (presumably one of the Brethren, = but I'm uncertain of that) commented that there are no problems with the = Book of Mormon, that this was an inappropriate title, and that it should = be changed. The new title was Answers to Book of Mormon Questions and this is the book that one = finds much more often than Problems . . . We have an ok copy of Problems with no dj for $16.50; in my opinion, a = nice copy in dj ought to be $25 or so. Answers. . . tends to run $12-15. = This situation is a good example of what can happen when a book is = suppressed or "bowdlerized," even mildly. When collectors know of such = actions, they usually want a copy of the pre-doctored book. We booksellers= love it when that happens. Curt Bench > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Date: 15 Mar 2001 09:10:10 -0800 Annie Clark Tanner's biography A MORMON MOTHER was originally published in 1941. It's been reprinted several times and the reprints are easy to come by. The first, otoh, is pretty difficult to locate in my experience. Does anyone know: 1. What the print run was on the 1941 edition? 2. Was it just done as a family/friends publication like "Recollections of a Handcart Pioneer?" 2. What the story was on the first reprint (1969)? I've heard that Obert Tanner was not happy that this was being reprinted but I have no documentation, just well qualified rumor. Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Smith" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:36:12 -0800 According to Saunders Collectible Mormon Books it was published only for family and a few friends. It was printed by the Deseret News Press. My copy is bound in leather. The copy I have is the only copy I've seen for sale. Craig Smith ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 AM > Annie Clark Tanner's biography A MORMON MOTHER was originally published in > 1941. It's been reprinted several times and the reprints are easy to come > by. The first, otoh, is pretty difficult to locate in my experience. > > Does anyone know: > > 1. What the print run was on the 1941 edition? > 2. Was it just done as a family/friends publication like "Recollections of > a Handcart Pioneer?" > 2. What the story was on the first reprint (1969)? I've heard that Obert > Tanner was not happy that this was being reprinted but I have no > documentation, just well qualified rumor. > > Keith > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:15:36 -0800 (PST) I have a hardback reprint edition copyrighted 1983 by Obert C. Tanner. It was published by the Tanner Trust Fund and University of Utah Library. It states 3rd edition and is part of the Utah, Mormons and the West series. It is blue cloth with a predominantly blue jacket. It is inscribed to Laura by Obert which I assume to be Obert C. Tanner. The jacket states that the book was written as an autobiography for her family in 1941 by Annie in the last year of her life. Bob Carter --- Craig Smith wrote: > According to Saunders Collectible Mormon Books it > was published only for > family and a few friends. It was printed by the > Deseret News Press. My > copy is bound in leather. The copy I have is the > only copy I've seen for > sale. > > Craig Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Irwin > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 AM > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother > > > > Annie Clark Tanner's biography A MORMON MOTHER was > originally published in > > 1941. It's been reprinted several times and the > reprints are easy to come > > by. The first, otoh, is pretty difficult to > locate in my experience. > > > > Does anyone know: > > > > 1. What the print run was on the 1941 edition? > > 2. Was it just done as a family/friends > publication like "Recollections > of > > a Handcart Pioneer?" > > 2. What the story was on the first reprint > (1969)? I've heard that Obert > > Tanner was not happy that this was being reprinted > but I have no > > documentation, just well qualified rumor. > > > > Keith > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:25:42 EST --part1_d3.11e7dbb6.27e39886_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading. His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its painful to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic. He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small excerpt from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its reprintings: "[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old, in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the last chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.' "Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography. "Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A Mormon Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work may well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., _Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31. "Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar, requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing." (pp. xii-xiii) My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert. Hope this helps. Brian Romriell --part1_d3.11e7dbb6.27e39886_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of
the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by
his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides
some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading.
His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm
about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of
those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its painful
to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic.
He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor
Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small excerpt
from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its
reprintings:

"[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old,
in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the last
chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.'

"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so
personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.

"Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the
following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive
reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that
I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A Mormon
Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only
institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's
Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work may
well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost
totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I
persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have
done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . .,
_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.

"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar,
requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the
passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family
story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing."
(pp. xii-xiii)

My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First
Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert.

Hope this helps.

Brian Romriell

--part1_d3.11e7dbb6.27e39886_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:45:30 EST In a message dated 03/16/2001 11:28:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, BJRom@aol.com writes: << I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by his 19-page foreword to that edition . . .>> Thanks for your detailed write-up on the book, Brian. It was very useful, and I have saved it in my permanent reference file. And, how wonderful to impart and receive this information without agonizing about whether or not the "eminent scholar" who was quoted had a temple recommend: I must say that I am enjoying the New LDS-Bookshelf very much indeed! Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:12:51 -0800

It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. I am glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-)

I have been learning great stuff already. Matt Wirthlin's question about "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been quite educational for a book lover.

From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its publication? I also learned that Obert Tanner and the UofU did the third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969?

Joe

>I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of

>the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by

>his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides

>some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading.

>His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm

>about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of

>those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its painful

>to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic.

>He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor

>Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small excerpt

>from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its

>reprintings:

>"[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old,

>in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the last

>chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.'

>"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so

>personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.

>"Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the

>following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive

>reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that

>I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A Mormon

>Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only

>institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's

>Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work may

>well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost

>totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I

>persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have

>done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . .,

>_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.

>"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar,

>requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the

>passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family

>story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing."

>(pp. xii-xiii)

>My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First

>Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert.

>Hope this helps.

>Brian Romriell

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I know Arrington wrote a book on David Eccles for Utah State = University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles = Foundation. =20 --Steve =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Geisner Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:13 AM =20 It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast = for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. I am = glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-) I have been learning great stuff already. Matt Wirthlin's question about = "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been = quite educational for a book lover. From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st = printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a = 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its = publication? I also learned that Obert Tanner and the UofU did the third = printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969? Joe >I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the = time of=20 >the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as = evidenced by=20 >his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that = provides=20 >some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth = reading.=20 >His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share = enthusiasm=20 >about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one = of=20 >those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its = painful=20 >to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was = tragic.=20 >He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor=20 >Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small = excerpt=20 >from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book = and its=20 >reprintings:=20 >=20 >"[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years = old,=20 >in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the = last=20 >chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to = find.'=20 >=20 >"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her = story so=20 >personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.=20 >=20 >"Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote = the=20 >following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the = sensitive=20 >reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose = that=20 >I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A = Mormon=20 >Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the = only=20 >institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church = Historian's=20 >Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work = may=20 >well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is = almost=20 >totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, = I=20 >persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall = have=20 >done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . .,=20 >_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.=20 >=20 >"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent = scholar,=20 >requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the=20 >passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate = family=20 >story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third = printing."=20 >(pp. xii-xiii)=20 >=20 >My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is = "First=20 >Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by = Obert.=20 >=20 >Hope this helps.=20 >=20 >Brian Romriell=20 >=20 >=20 _____ =20 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, = send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe = lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, = mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0AE37.AEE12980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation by = Tanner? I know Arrington wrote a book on = David = Eccles for Utah = State University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles Foundation.

--Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Joe<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> = Geisner
Sent: Friday, March 16, = 2001 10:13 = AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

It's great to be back on = Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast = for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. = I am glad they decide I was worth a second = chance.:-)

I have been learning great = stuff already. Matt = Wirthlin's question about "Problems With The BOM" and = Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been quite = educational for a book lover.

From what has been posted I = have learned that the 1st edition, 1st printing was the = private and for family and friends. Those who have a 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its = publication? I also learned that = Obert Tanner and the UofU = did the third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd = printing in 1969?

Joe<= /p>

>I = do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but = by the time of

>the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by

>his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account = that provides

>some important familial tidbits that are interesting and = well worth reading.

>His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not = share enthusiasm

>about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could = have been one of

>those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that = its painful

>to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life = was tragic.

>He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to = Eleanor

>Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A = small excerpt

>from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of = the book and its

>reprintings:

>"[Anni= e Clark = Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven = years old,

>in 1941, the last year of her life. It was = written, she explains in the last

>chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have = chanced to find.'

>"Members of her family treasured their copies. They = considered her story so

>personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.

>"Then in 1969, = Dale Morgan, a = great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the =

>following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her = spirit and the sensitive

>reflection of a rare life, rather than for the = distinction of the prose that

>I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, = Annie Clark = Tanner's _A Mormon

>Mother_. This book has been closely held within = the Tanner family; the only

>institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the = Church Historian's

>Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake = Public Library. This work may

>well be one of the monuments of Mormon = literature, and thus far it is almost =

>totally unknown in that literature. If by = saying this much and no more, I

>persuade others to search out the book and savor = its quality, I shall have

>done well.' = (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the = Church . . .,

>_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.

>"Following the publication of this high praise by = such an eminent scholar,

>requests for copies came from many libraries = and bookstores. With the

>passing of time there was less reluctance in = having this intimate family

>story published. And now this Preface is = being written for a third printing." =

>(pp. xii-xiii)

>My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The = copyright page indicates that it is "First =

>Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 = Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert. =

>Hope this helps.

>Brian = Romriell

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All of the volumes in this series are funded by a grant from the Tanner Foundation. Ken Sanders Steve Eccles wrote: > I wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation > by Tanner? I know Arrington wrote a book on DavidEccles for Utah State > University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles > Foundation. > > --Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of JoeGeisner > > Sent:Friday, March 16, 200110:13 AM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother > > It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and > fast for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the > list. I am glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-) > > I have been learning great stuff already. MattWirthlin's question > about "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have > been quite educational for a book lover. > > From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st > printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a > 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its > publication? I also learned that ObertTanner and the UofU did the > third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969? > > Joe > >I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the > time of > > >the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as > evidenced by > > >his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that > provides > > >some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth > reading. > > >His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share > enthusiasm > > >about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one > of > > >those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its > painful > > >to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was > tragic. > > >He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor > > >Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small > excerpt > > >from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book > and its > > >reprintings: > > > > > >"[AnnieClarkTanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years > old, > > >in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in > the last > > >chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to > find.' > > > > > >"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her > story so > > >personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography. > > > > > >"Then in 1969, DaleMorgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote > the > > >following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the > sensitive > > >reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the > prose that > > >I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, AnnieClarkTanner's _A > Mormon > > >Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; > the only > > >institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church > Historian's > > >Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This > work may > > >well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is > almost > > >totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no > more, I > > >persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall > have > > >done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., > > >_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31. > > > > > >"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent > scholar, > > >requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With > the > > >passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate > family > > >story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third > printing." > > >(pp. xii-xiii) > > > > > >My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is > "First > > >Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by > Obert. > > > > > >Hope this helps. > > > > > >BrianRomriell > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- - > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To > unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - > "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - > For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com --------------FEA132D2E91A15C242F273AE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This title was printed as a volume in the University of Utah's Tanner Trust series. All of the volumes in this series are funded by a grant from the Tanner Foundation.

Ken Sanders

Steve Eccles wrote:

I wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation by Tanner? I know Arrington wrote a book on DavidEccles for Utah State University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles Foundation.

--Steve

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From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of JoeGeisner
Sent:Friday, March 16, 200110:13 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. I am glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-)

I have been learning great stuff already. MattWirthlin's question about "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been quite educational for a book lover.
From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its publication? I also learned that ObertTanner and the UofU did the third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969?
Joe
>I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of

>the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by
>his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides
>some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading.
>His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm
>about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of
>those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its painful
>to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic.
>He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor
>Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small excerpt
>from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its
>reprintings:
>
>"[AnnieClarkTanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old,
>in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the last
>chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.'
>
>"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so
>personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.
>
>"Then in 1969, DaleMorgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the
>following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive
>reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that
>I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, AnnieClarkTanner's _A Mormon
>Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only
>institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's
>Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work may
>well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost
>totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I
>persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have
>done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . .,
>_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.
>
>"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar,
>requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the
>passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family
>story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing."
>(pp. xii-xiii)
>
>My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First
>Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>BrianRomriell
>
>

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In today's Los Angeles Times there is a book review of Jan Shipps = new book,=20 "Sojourner in the Promised Land" reviewed by Ralph Frammolino, a Times = Staff=20 writer.

http:= //www.latimes.com/news/state/20010317/t000023362.html

Phil

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0AEB1.0B3F0DE0-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 17 Mar 2001 21:06:12 -0700 At 09:37 PM 3/16/2001 -0800, you wrote: > >It is not lost on me, however, that Hugh J. McKell has yet to post. If >this persists, I may excommunicate him for inactivity. His daughter and >grandson are visiting from England at the moment and it's the only time >I've seen something other than leather attract so much of his attention. I >guess that's a legitimate excuse. Hello everyone! I have to apologize for my tardiness in posting to the New Lds-Bookshelf. So far I have tried to read most of the posts and I am happy to hear that so many of you have missed bookshelf and have said so many nice things about the list. Thanks again. We hope to continue the list on this smaller basis. I'll have to admit that I led Keith astray regarding the Tanner book. That's what you get when you don't do your home work especially when there are some really good reference books out there. The booklet by Richard Saunders would have saved me some embarrassment. Craig Smith dropped by the store yesterday and humbly again mentioned that he was in possession of this small morsel. I offered him a copy of one of Paul Dunn's books in trade but he declined . I am embarrassed to say I haven't picked up much in the way of collectable mormoniana - only a bunch of new titles: the ERS book from USU among others. Oh, one small morsel the Curt found for me - a copy of Shindler's OPR book, 2nd Edition in leather, one of only 7 produced he says! I only had to give him a ratty 1868 leather bound hymnal and by grandson Jack in trade. It was worth it. btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG I'll try to contribute more often. best wishes to all Proud 'Pa Pa' Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 17 Mar 2001 21:25:37 -0700 At 09:06 PM 3/17/2001 -0700, you wrote: >btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: > >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG That's a pretty ugly dog - why should that keep you away?? :-) David - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 17 Mar 2001 23:58:31 -0700 I have to admit, I kid that cute would be able to keep me away from collecting for a while. However, while Hugh's been able to avoid collecting himself, he's managed to help my collection with a couple of items I've wanted for sometime. I appreciate it and all the help he and the crew at Benchmark are always giving me. That goes for all the dealers on the list. Whether they remember or not, I've purchased from most of them and the service and product are always top notch. Thanks to all, John "Hugh J. McKell" wrote: > Hello everyone! I have to apologize for my tardiness in posting to the New > Lds-Bookshelf. So far I have tried to read most of the posts and I am > happy to hear that so many of you have missed bookshelf and have said so > many nice things about the list. Thanks again. We hope to continue the list > on this smaller basis. I'll have to admit that I led Keith astray regarding > the Tanner book. That's what you get when you don't do your home work > especially when there are some really good reference books out there. The > booklet by Richard Saunders would have saved me some embarrassment. Craig > Smith dropped by the store yesterday and humbly again mentioned that he was > in possession of this small morsel. I offered him a copy of one of Paul > Dunn's books in trade but he declined . I am embarrassed to say I > haven't picked up much in the way of collectable mormoniana - only a bunch > of new titles: the ERS book from USU among others. Oh, one small morsel > the Curt found for me - a copy of Shindler's OPR book, 2nd Edition in > leather, one of only 7 produced he says! I only had to give him a ratty > 1868 leather bound hymnal and by grandson Jack in trade. It was worth it. > > btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: > > http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG > http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG > > I'll try to contribute more often. > > best wishes to all > > Proud 'Pa Pa' > Hugh > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:57:59 -0800 What a good looking boy. Susan and I are convinced he got his genes from Sandi, he has way to much hair, and way to good looking to be any kin of yours!:-) When we talk about books, people seem to be willing to toss about "rare" pretty easy. This leather OPR is really something. Only seven of them produced! That is mind boggling Hugh. In the open market what would a book like this retail for? (This is more rhetoric than a sincere question, because I don't think an accurate answer can be realized until a sale is made.) This book is a Mormon masterpiece of biography, it is leather, and only seven produced. I have nothing in my collection even compareable, this is beyond my first hand knowledge. What a book to add to your collection Hugh, congratulations. I would be interested to hear what John has waited so long to get. I too have picked up a couple of books that I have been looking for for quite a while. I bought "Saints of the Seas" from Matt Wirthlin. It was a vg+/vg+ copy. I have missed two other copies for sale, so I was quite happy to get this copy. I also bought "Life Of A Pioneer" by James S. Brown. This is one of those books I thought I would never own. Keith and Hugh told me how signifigant the book is when we first talked on LDS-Bookshelf. At the time I was able to find a copy but could not afford it. I told Keith about it and he was able to purchase the book. So finding a copy at this point of my life when I could afford it was quite a thrill. Joe >. I am embarrassed to say I >haven't picked up much in the way of collectable mormoniana - only a bunch >of new titles: the ERS book from USU among others. Oh, one small morsel >the Curt found for me - a copy of Shindler's OPR book, 2nd Edition in >leather, one of only 7 produced he says! I only had to give him a ratty >1868 leather bound hymnal and by grandson Jack in trade. It was worth it. > > >btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: > >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG > > >I'll try to contribute more often. > >best wishes to all > >Proud 'Pa Pa' >Hugh > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:28:53 -0700 --------------1CB9E770327AFC370E631699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe wrote: I would be interested to hear what John has waited so long to get. Thanks to Hugh I was able to pick up a complete set of _Journal of Mormon History_ Well, almost a complete set :) It's a long story that involves another bookshelfer taking two issues from my set to complete his own. I was happy to let him do it because the price was too good to pass up. I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by Bitton. Another one I've been hunting for long and hard. Nothing compared to a leather copy of OPR - one of my favorite books. A landmark biography - I'll add my congratulations to Hugh. Can you tell us more about it? How's the binding, and what color and design is the leather? Any gilting or stamping? John --------------1CB9E770327AFC370E631699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe wrote:
I would be interested to hear what John has waited so long to get.

Thanks to Hugh I was able to pick up a complete set of _Journal of Mormon History_ Well, almost a complete set :) It's a long story that involves another bookshelfer taking two issues from my set to complete his own. I was happy to let him do it because the price was too good to pass up.

I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by Bitton. Another one I've been hunting for long and hard. Nothing compared to a leather copy of OPR - one of my favorite books. A landmark biography - I'll add my congratulations to Hugh. Can you tell us more about it? How's the binding, and what color and design is the leather? Any gilting or stamping?

John --------------1CB9E770327AFC370E631699-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 18 Mar 2001 18:49:47 -0700 >>> jphatch@freeport.com 03/18/01 01:28PM >>> > >I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by = Bitton. Speaking of Bitton speaking, he was at BYU yesterday--a conference = sponsored by the Smith Institute of Church History, the MHA, and AML = (Association for Mormon Letters) on writing Mormon biography and autobiogra= phy. I got him to sign 3 of his books: Saints Without Halos, Mormons and = Their Historians, and The Ritualization of Mormon History (I have several = other books he's written, but they're signed already). Richard Bushman was one of the speakers at the opening session--he gave a = quick survey of the biographies of Joseph Smith, starting with Henry = Caswall's The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century, 1843 (Flake #1237). He = also mentioned I. Woodbridge Riley's The Founder of Mormonism; a psychologi= cal study of Joseph Smith (Flake #7288), which I had heard of before, but = never identified as psychobiography. Edward L. Kimball and Carol Cornwall Madsen spoke over lunch; Kimball = about an updated bio of his father that he's working on, and Madsen about = Emmeline B. Wells. Both dealt with how to handle the balance between the = private and public lives of public figures.=20 Kimball talked about things that would have been embarrassing to Pres. = Kimball when he was alive, which he believes are okay to discuss now. For = example, Pres. Kimball always avoided discussing his education, not = because he felt inadequate for not having gone to college, but because he = thought people would judge the church negatively for being led by such an = "ignoramus." Pres. Kimball also didn't want much discussion of his oldest = son's inactivity in the first biography, but Ed thinks it should be dealt = with now, because it was such a concern to Pres. Kimball. Pres. Kimball = didn't want to include any discussion of the excommunication of Richard R. = Lyman in the original biography, because of the pain it would cause living = family members. Ed convinced him to leave it in, because it was a matter = of public record and such an important event in the first weeks after = Pres. Kimball was called as an apostle. Ed said he received letters from = Lyman's descendants saying they wished the incident could have been left = out of the biography. He regrets that discussing the incident was painful = to them, but still feels justified in doing so. Madsen talked about comparing speeches Emmeline B. Wells gave defending = the practice of polygamy with her private journal entries complaining = about it. Steven Harper from BYU Hawaii defended his work on William McLellin and = criticized Van Wagoner's biography of Sidney Rigdon. Susan Howe spoke on "The Case of Virginia Sorensen: When Your Saint is = Also a Sinner." Sorensen's husband resented her success as an author. They = separated when he had an affair. Sorensen said that maybe if she had done = as she had been told in church--forget about a career and focus on her = marriage--maybe her marriage would have survived. At the same time, she = knew that her husband was responsible for his own choices, and resented = that she was expected to give up her career so that her husband could feel = superior. It was a good conference--it looks like there are some good biographies in = the works, and it made me want to write one. I only regret that I missed = Jessie Embry's talk on "Can I be Objective?: Using Family Sources in = Historical Writing." I've got several books for her to sign. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 18 Mar 2001 19:58:56 -0800 I'm glad to hear that Davis Bitton was out. He was due to talk to the Miller-Eccles group this year and had to beg off due to health reasons. He may be in for some surgery in the next year and is curtailing his traveling due to fatigue. Apparently he has a heart valve problem resulting in the fatigue. I'm very envious of the books you are all discussing. My pockets are way too shallow for this type of collecting. Oh, well ... maybe someone will adopt me with a lot of money or better yet, leave their priceless collection to me. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Morgan Adair Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 5:50 PM >>> jphatch@freeport.com 03/18/01 01:28PM >>> > >I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by Bitton. Speaking of Bitton speaking, he was at BYU yesterday--a conference sponsored by the Smith Institute of Church History, the MHA, and AML (Association for Mormon Letters) on writing Mormon biography and autobiography. I got him to sign 3 of his books: Saints Without Halos, Mormons and Their Historians, and The Ritualization of Mormon History (I have several other books he's written, but they're signed already). Richard Bushman was one of the speakers at the opening session--he gave a quick survey of the biographies of Joseph Smith, starting with Henry Caswall's The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century, 1843 (Flake #1237). He also mentioned I. Woodbridge Riley's The Founder of Mormonism; a psychological study of Joseph Smith (Flake #7288), which I had heard of before, but never identified as psychobiography. Edward L. Kimball and Carol Cornwall Madsen spoke over lunch; Kimball about an updated bio of his father that he's working on, and Madsen about Emmeline B. Wells. Both dealt with how to handle the balance between the private and public lives of public figures. Kimball talked about things that would have been embarrassing to Pres. Kimball when he was alive, which he believes are okay to discuss now. For example, Pres. Kimball always avoided discussing his education, not because he felt inadequate for not having gone to college, but because he thought people would judge the church negatively for being led by such an "ignoramus." Pres. Kimball also didn't want much discussion of his oldest son's inactivity in the first biography, but Ed thinks it should be dealt with now, because it was such a concern to Pres. Kimball. Pres. Kimball didn't want to include any discussion of the excommunication of Richard R. Lyman in the original biography, because of the pain it would cause living family members. Ed convinced him to leave it in, because it was a matter of public record and such an important event in the first weeks after Pres. Kimball was called as an apostle. Ed said he received letters from Lyman's descendants saying they wished the incident could have been left out of the biography. He regrets that discussing the incident was painful to them, but still feels justified in doing so. Madsen talked about comparing speeches Emmeline B. Wells gave defending the practice of polygamy with her private journal entries complaining about it. Steven Harper from BYU Hawaii defended his work on William McLellin and criticized Van Wagoner's biography of Sidney Rigdon. Susan Howe spoke on "The Case of Virginia Sorensen: When Your Saint is Also a Sinner." Sorensen's husband resented her success as an author. They separated when he had an affair. Sorensen said that maybe if she had done as she had been told in church--forget about a career and focus on her marriage--maybe her marriage would have survived. At the same time, she knew that her husband was responsible for his own choices, and resented that she was expected to give up her career so that her husband could feel superior. It was a good conference--it looks like there are some good biographies in the works, and it made me want to write one. I only regret that I missed Jessie Embry's talk on "Can I be Objective?: Using Family Sources in Historical Writing." I've got several books for her to sign. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Conference on writing Mormon biography Date: 18 Mar 2001 20:31:41 -0800 Thanks for sharing this information Morgan. I wonder if these presentation will be published in a book. Did Bushman, Kimball, or Madsen give any timeline on when their biographies wil be published? I know Kimball and Madsen have been working on these projects 20+ years. I think Ed Kimball will do an incredible job. In many way's he has balanced things that are private, sensative and public better than any person I have read. I look forward to this bio. more than most. Was there any discussion about the Papers of Oliver Cowdery that Scott Faulring has edited? This was supposed to be out this spring but I have heard nothing. BTW, who is Steven Harper and what has he done on William McLellan? Joe >Richard Bushman was one of the speakers at the opening session--he gave a >quick survey of the biographies of Joseph Smith, starting with Henry >Caswall's The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century, 1843 (Flake #1237). He >also mentioned I. Woodbridge Riley's The Founder of Mormonism; a >psychological study of Joseph Smith (Flake #7288), which I had heard of >before, but never identified as psychobiography. > >Edward L. Kimball and Carol Cornwall Madsen spoke over lunch; Kimball about >an updated bio of his father that he's working on, and Madsen about >Emmeline B. Wells. Both dealt with how to handle the balance between the >private and public lives of public figures. > >Kimball talked about things that would have been embarrassing to Pres. >Kimball when he was alive, which he believes are okay to discuss now. For >example, Pres. Kimball always avoided discussing his education, not because >he felt inadequate for not having gone to college, but because he thought >people would judge the church negatively for being led by such an >"ignoramus." Pres. Kimball also didn't want much discussion of his oldest >son's inactivity in the first biography, but Ed thinks it should be dealt >with now, because it was such a concern to Pres. Kimball. Pres. Kimball >didn't want to include any discussion of the excommunication of Richard R. >Lyman in the original biography, because of the pain it would cause living >family members. Ed convinced him to leave it in, because it was a matter of >public record and such an important event in the first weeks after Pres. >Kimball was called as an apostle. Ed said he received letters from Lyman's >descendants saying they wished the incident could have been left out of the >biography. He regrets that discussing the incident was painful to them, but >still feels justified in doing so. > >Madsen talked about comparing speeches Emmeline B. Wells gave defending the >practice of polygamy with her private journal entries complaining about it. > >Steven Harper from BYU Hawaii defended his work on William McLellin and >criticized Van Wagoner's biography of Sidney Rigdon. > >Susan Howe spoke on "The Case of Virginia Sorensen: When Your Saint is Also >a Sinner." Sorensen's husband resented her success as an author. They >separated when he had an affair. Sorensen said that maybe if she had done >as she had been told in church--forget about a career and focus on her >marriage--maybe her marriage would have survived. At the same time, she >knew that her husband was responsible for his own choices, and resented >that she was expected to give up her career so that her husband could feel >superior. > >It was a good conference--it looks like there are some good biographies in >the works, and it made me want to write one. I only regret that I missed >Jessie Embry's talk on "Can I be Objective?: Using Family Sources in >Historical Writing." I've got several books for her to sign. > >MBA > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Have Been Reading....... Date: 18 Mar 2001 21:18:39 -0800 I read three chapters of "The Nauvoo Temple" by Cecil McGavin today at church. This is really the most I have read by him and only the second book I own by him. I have read a bit out of "Mormonism and Masonry", but stopped after a few pages. I am curious about Cecil McGavin. He seems like a defender of the faith, much less balanced than say B.H. Roberts, much closer to Joseph Fielding Smith's style of writing. And yet the book has things that would never pass a Deseret Book editor today. An example is his continuely calling the Nauvoo Temple endowment and the then current endowment "secret". In one sentence he will use "secret" and in the next sentence write "sacred". He also cites quite a bit of "anti-Mormon" writings in the book. Some he calls "apostate" and some he almost approves of. His comments on James J. Strang are even more interesting/strange for a DB book. He comments that Strang "was not influenced by the teachings of Brigham Young....but based his philosophy upon the teachings and practices of Jospeh Smith." This is obvious, but it makes no sense to write it, and in some ways he is almost praising Strang. McGavin has no clue or he acts like he has no clue about the Council of Fifty, the second anointing, or the Anointed Quorum. He quotes people discussing these things and then writes "see these people are apostates and they don't know what they are talking about". Having read this by McGavin and knowing a little about "The Sex Life Of Brigham Young", I am begining to wonder where he was coming from. Does anyone know anything about him or did any of you meet him before he passed away? Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! Date: 18 Mar 2001 22:52:09 -0800 The Riley book was written at the turn of the century as a thesis for Riley's Ph.D. at Yale. From the Preface: "The aim of this work is to examine Joseph Smith's character and achievements from the standpoint of recent psychology. Sectarians and phrenologists, spiritualists and messmerists have variously intepreted his more or less abnormal performances, - it now remains for the psychologist to have a try at them." Keith At 06:49 PM 3/18/01 -0700, Morgan wrote: >Richard Bushman was one of the speakers at the opening session--he gave a >quick survey of the biographies of Joseph Smith, starting with Henry >Caswall's The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century, 1843 (Flake #1237). He >also mentioned I. Woodbridge Riley's The Founder of Mormonism; a >psychological study of Joseph Smith (Flake #7288), which I had heard of >before, but never identified as psychobiography. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Have Been Reading....... Date: 19 Mar 2001 09:35:34 EST In a message dated 03/19/2001 12:19:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, rbssman@hotmail.com writes: << Having read this by McGavin and knowing a little about "The Sex Life Of Brigham Young", I am begining to wonder where he was coming from. Does anyone know anything about him or did any of you meet him before he passed away? >> "I guess I'd better have some ice cream . . ." McGavin had a dry, sometimes wry sense of humor that undoubtedly allowed him to function in a climate which prescribed less complexity than he might offer. Even something so simple as food required a few jokes. I heard and watched him for one interesting period of three days when I was a teenager in Boise, Idaho. McGavin was there as part of BYU Education Week, and I couldn't get enough of his fascinating anecdotes and style of delivery - low-key but edge-of-your-seat colorful and all-absorbing. In one session, he proposed to explain to us why the Word of Wisdom calls for "fruit in the season thereof." He pointed out that one means of fruit preservation in the early nineteenth century would have been in brandy, hardly a healthful alternative for winter nourishment. One man, he said, presented his friend with a cask of brandied peaches. "I never much cared for peaches," McGavin had the friend reply, "but I certainly appreciated the spirit in which the gift was given." One had to hear the tone of this delivery - not quite so dry and cynical as Chad Flake, but close enough. Here was a man who could straddle any fence. RG - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joseph Smith Bio Date: 19 Mar 2001 10:50:57 -0500 On Saturday, Richard Bushman mentioned that there have been 18 full-length bios on Joseph Smith. He mentioned the first on published in 1843(?) along with Brodie's, Hill's, Evans', and Cannon's. Anyone know the rest? --Doug - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew T. Wirthlin" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:11:37 -0700 Morgan's and Joe's comments about upcoming biographies brings up a related = question: What Mormon related biographies/autobiographies are in the = works, forthcoming or ought to be in the works? I am aware of the following: 1. Ed Kimball's administrative bio on President Kimball (as mentioned) 2. Greg Prince is supposedly working on an administrative biography of = David O. McKay. 3. Bushman on Joseph Smith (as previously mentioned) 4. Carol Madsen on Emmeline B. Wells (as previously mentioned) 5. Jill Mulvay Derr apparently took over Maureen Ursenbach Beecher's work = on Eliza R. Snow. 6. Isn't Devery Anderson working on a Willard Richards bio? 7. Is Ron Walker still working on a Heber J. Grant bio or was that = scrapped? 8. Paul Thomas Smith is supposedly working on a John Taylor bio. 9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith bio? 10. Mike Quinn's revised and significantly expanded bio on J. Reuben = Clark is forthcoming from Signature later this Summer. I can't wait! 11. Bruce Van Orden is working on a W.W. Phelps bio. 12. A BYU religion professor is working on a John Widstoe bio, but I = can't remember his name. Does anyone have updated information on the above list? I think the following bios need to be written: 1. We need a good bio on Hyrum Smith. 2. We need a good bio on Oliver Cowdery. I hope Faulring's "The Papers = of Oliver Cowdery" will be out soon. That should facilitate a good Oliver = Cowdery bio. 3. Bruce R. McConkie, not just highlights. 4. James E. Talmage (I am aware of John Talmage's bio of his father, but = I would love to see one much more substantive and comprehensive) 5. Parley P. Pratt (I am aware of his autobiography, but we need a good = scholarly biography) 6. Lorenzo Snow There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women and = lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? =20 Thanks. Matt - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:53:42 -0700 I am writing mine. Any buyers ? Roy Schmidt >>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" 03/20/01 11:11AM >>> Morgan's and Joe's comments about upcoming biographies brings up a related question: What Mormon related biographies/autobiographies are in the works, forthcoming or ought to be in the works? I am aware of the following: 1. Ed Kimball's administrative bio on President Kimball (as mentioned) 2. Greg Prince is supposedly working on an administrative biography of David O. McKay. 3. Bushman on Joseph Smith (as previously mentioned) 4. Carol Madsen on Emmeline B. Wells (as previously mentioned) 5. Jill Mulvay Derr apparently took over Maureen Ursenbach Beecher's work on Eliza R. Snow. 6. Isn't Devery Anderson working on a Willard Richards bio? 7. Is Ron Walker still working on a Heber J. Grant bio or was that scrapped? 8. Paul Thomas Smith is supposedly working on a John Taylor bio. 9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith bio? 10. Mike Quinn's revised and significantly expanded bio on J. Reuben Clark is forthcoming from Signature later this Summer. I can't wait! 11. Bruce Van Orden is working on a W.W. Phelps bio. 12. A BYU religion professor is working on a John Widstoe bio, but I can't remember his name. Does anyone have updated information on the above list? I think the following bios need to be written: 1. We need a good bio on Hyrum Smith. 2. We need a good bio on Oliver Cowdery. I hope Faulring's "The Papers of Oliver Cowdery" will be out soon. That should facilitate a good Oliver Cowdery bio. 3. Bruce R. McConkie, not just highlights. 4. James E. Talmage (I am aware of John Talmage's bio of his father, but I would love to see one much more substantive and comprehensive) 5. Parley P. Pratt (I am aware of his autobiography, but we need a good scholarly biography) 6. Lorenzo Snow There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women and lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? Thanks. Matt - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joseph Smith Bio Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:53:38 -0800 Doug, I turned to Studies in Mormon History and Henry Caswall's "The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century", 1843 was not listed as a bios for JSjr Here is the list from Allen, Walker, and Whittaker: 1. C. Mackay, "The Mormons:or Latter-Day Saints + 2. Lucy Smith, "Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet" 3. E.W. Tullidge, "Life of Joseph the Prophet 4. G.Q. Cannon "The Life of Joseph Smith the Prophet" 5. T. Gregg, "The Prophet of Palmyra" 6. I. W. Riley, "The Founder of Mormonism" 7. H.M. Beardsley, "Joseph Smith and his Mormon Empire 8. J.H. Evans, "Joseph Smith: An American Prophet" 9. P. Nibley, "Joseph Smith, The Prophet" 10. D. Chase, "Joseph Smith: As He Lives in the Hearts of his People"+ 11.F.M. Brodie "No Man Knows My History" 12. J. A. Widtsoe "Joseph Smith": Seeker After Truth, Prophet of God" 13. H.L. Andrus "Joseph Smith, the Man and the Seer" 14. J.J. Stewart, "Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet" (this guy had two other books published that are listed, I believe they are the same book under different title)+ 15. Curtis & Farber, "The Making of a Prophet"+ 16. C. Carmer, "The Farm Boy and the Angel" 17. L. R. Hartshorn, "Joseph Smith, Prophet of the Restoration"+ 18. D. Hill, "Joseph Smith, the First Mormon" 19. F. Gibbons, "Joseph Smith: Martyr, Prophet of God" 20. M.L. Draper, "The Founding Prophet, An Administrative History of Joseph Smith jr." Most of these I have heard of, four I own. I guess Bushman say's that at least three of these do not qualify as full-length bios. Five with + I am completely unfamiliar with. >On Saturday, Richard Bushman mentioned that there have been 18 full-length >bios on Joseph Smith. He mentioned the first on published in 1843(?) along >with Brodie's, Hill's, Evans', and Cannon's. Anyone know the rest? > >--Doug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:13:14 -0700 On 20 Mar 2001, at 11:11, Matthew T. Wirthlin wrote: [lots of good stuff snipped] > > There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women > and lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? My favorite candidate for a bio has to be Ebenezer Robinson, the printer who was everywhere: involved in the Kirtland printing shop, partner to Don Carlos Smith in Nauvoo, kicked out of church printing by Joseph, went with Rigdon in 1844, then to RLDS, where he worked on the first printing of the Inspired Version, then to Whitmer. Unfortunately, I don't know where there are any primary source materials for his life. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 17:28:55 -0800 Hugh, since you are an expert in BoM publications, how about a bio of Grandin, the publisher. Are there sources? Did he throughout his life think his publication of BoM was a fiasco, or the low point of his career, etc? -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Stocks Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:13 PM On 20 Mar 2001, at 11:11, Matthew T. Wirthlin wrote: [lots of good stuff snipped] > > There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women > and lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? My favorite candidate for a bio has to be Ebenezer Robinson, the printer who was everywhere: involved in the Kirtland printing shop, partner to Don Carlos Smith in Nauvoo, kicked out of church printing by Joseph, went with Rigdon in 1844, then to RLDS, where he worked on the first printing of the Inspired Version, then to Whitmer. Unfortunately, I don't know where there are any primary source materials for his life. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joseph Smith Bio Date: 20 Mar 2001 18:51:46 -0500 Thanks Joe! --Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Geisner [SMTP:rbssman@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:54 PM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joseph Smith Bio > > Doug, > > I turned to Studies in Mormon History and Henry Caswall's "The Prophet of > the Nineteenth Century", 1843 was not listed as a bios for JSjr > > Here is the list from Allen, Walker, and Whittaker: > 1. C. Mackay, "The Mormons:or Latter-Day Saints + > 2. Lucy Smith, "Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet" > 3. E.W. Tullidge, "Life of Joseph the Prophet > 4. G.Q. Cannon "The Life of Joseph Smith the Prophet" > 5. T. Gregg, "The Prophet of Palmyra" > 6. I. W. Riley, "The Founder of Mormonism" > 7. H.M. Beardsley, "Joseph Smith and his Mormon Empire > 8. J.H. Evans, "Joseph Smith: An American Prophet" > 9. P. Nibley, "Joseph Smith, The Prophet" > 10. D. Chase, "Joseph Smith: As He Lives in the Hearts of his People"+ > 11.F.M. Brodie "No Man Knows My History" > 12. J. A. Widtsoe "Joseph Smith": Seeker After Truth, Prophet of God" > 13. H.L. Andrus "Joseph Smith, the Man and the Seer" > 14. J.J. Stewart, "Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet" (this guy had two > other > books published that are listed, I believe they are the same book under > different title)+ > 15. Curtis & Farber, "The Making of a Prophet"+ > 16. C. Carmer, "The Farm Boy and the Angel" > 17. L. R. Hartshorn, "Joseph Smith, Prophet of the Restoration"+ > 18. D. Hill, "Joseph Smith, the First Mormon" > 19. F. Gibbons, "Joseph Smith: Martyr, Prophet of God" > 20. M.L. Draper, "The Founding Prophet, An Administrative History of > Joseph > Smith jr." > > Most of these I have heard of, four I own. I guess Bushman say's that at > least three of these do not qualify as full-length bios. Five with + I am > completely unfamiliar with. > > > >On Saturday, Richard Bushman mentioned that there have been 18 > full-length > >bios on Joseph Smith. He mentioned the first on published in 1843(?) > along > >with Brodie's, Hill's, Evans', and Cannon's. Anyone know the rest? > > > >--Doug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 18:55:38 -0500 Last word I heard was that it wouldn't be out for a few years, but he had sent some early chapters to Signature. This was over a year ago. --Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew T. Wirthlin [SMTP:MTW@pyglaw.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:12 AM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies > > 9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith bio? > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 17:13:39 -0700 On 20 Mar 2001, at 17:28, Dennis Nelson wrote: > Hugh, since you are an expert in BoM publications, how about a bio of > Grandin, the publisher. Are there sources? Did he throughout his life > think his publication of BoM was a fiasco, or the low point of his > career, etc? Sorry to say to both of your queries: "I don't know." I've seen almost nothing dealing with him, and what there is is in Peter Crawley's biblio. The info we have about the first printing comes from John Gilbert the typesetter/pressman who worked on the book. But maybe Rick has access to old newspaper sources there in the BOD which might cast light on the question... Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:46:55 EST In a message dated 03/20/2001 6:13:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hstocks@vii.com writes: << My favorite candidate for a bio has to be Ebenezer Robinson, the printer who was everywhere: involved in the Kirtland printing shop, partner to Don Carlos Smith in Nauvoo, kicked out of church printing by Joseph, went with Rigdon in 1844, then to RLDS, where he worked on the first printing of the Inspired Version, then to Whitmer. Unfortunately, I don't know where there are any primary source materials for his life. >> I would think that THE RETURN would be the best source (Flake 7090). Its early contents are an amazing source of early LDS history. Unfortunately, it is very rare, impossibly expensive, and I do not believe that it has been reprinted. I have only sold one example, Wes Walters' copy, shortly after his death. A few years ago, I sold a little Nauvoo imprint, a form of some kind - just a slip. Robinson's name was printed at the bottom as printer, and he had signed it as well, in whatever capacity the form was devised to handle. RG - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:58:04 EST Aftern my post regarding Ebenezer Robinson's periodical, THE RETURN, I realized that I had a lengthy write-up in my Mormon List 50 (May 1995). This may be of help to those who are curious . . . [copied entry begins:] ". . . to [my] amazement [I] encountered John Taylor, one of the twelve Apostles, in a long white garment, with a white turban on his head, and a drawn sword in his hand . . ." 38 THE RETURN. "Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again; The eternal years of God are hers." An UNBROKEN RUN of the COMPLETE FIRST PORTION - all twenty-six issues produced by founder Ebenezer Robinson. Davis City, Iowa, 1889-91 [I - II; III:1-2]. 22 cm. (first issue); 22.7 cm. (following issues). 384 (vols. I-II paged consecutively); 32 (vol. III:1-2) pages. Natural even browning of the wood pulp paper, but all pages in very good, unworn condition. Occasional passages have been underlined in ink, but very neatly, using a ruler. Bound up for an early owner in a single volume: maroon roan leather over black cloth boards; gilt-lettered spine. Spine very worn. On the front paste-down is a twentieth-century ownership signature of a woman from the HEDRICK Family. $4,500 Flake 7090. IMPORTANT and deliciously rare. I am aware of only seven individual issues appearing for sale in the last decade since I have been watching (Deseret Book Fine and Rare Books, Catalog Two, item 129: Vol. I, No. 1, $250; Grunder Mormon List Fourteen [1985], item 31: Vol. I, Nos. 1, 4-8, $675). Dale Morgan (Churches of the Dispersion, 55) devotes two full pages to his description of this periodical, beginning with these comments . . . "The Return was commenced in the interests of the Church of Christ by Ebenezer Robinson, and was published by him at Davis City until his death in January, 1891. The twenty-six numbers Robinson got out are especially valuable historically for the "Items of Personal History" Robinson printed; he went back over early Mormon history, and using the "History of Joseph Smith" as a framework, added his personal contribution to the written and unwritten record. This autobiography ran from April, 1889, to February, 1891. Robinson incidentally remarks in the first number of The Return that he left Nauvoo with Sidney Rigdon June 18, 1844, to build up a church in Pittsburgh, and remained with Rigdon till his organization failed. Robinson removed to Decatur County, Iowa, in 1855, and joined the Reorganized Church in 1863. He was finally baptized into the Church of Christ on April 13, 1888, by John C. Whitmer." TURN to a variety of Mormon scholars, and you will find them turning to The Return: Newell and Avery, Mormon Enigma, pp. 60, 318; Quinn, Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, pp. 209, 279; Backman, The Heavens Resound, pp. 433, 451; Donna Hill, Joseph Smith, The First Mormon, pp. 341, 482. Ebenezer ROBINSON (b.1816) was baptized by Joseph Smith in 1835. It was he who produced the first issue of the Times and Seasons from his sick bed in November, 1839 (Donna Hill, p. 270), and who printed Emma Smith's 1841 hymnal. Small wonder, then, to learn the following from Dale Morgan: "The Return was printed monthly, the subscription price being $1 per year. Pagination was cumulative through the first two volumes (1-192, 193-384 pp.). Robinson was not only editor and publisher but printer, and the paper was abruptly suspended at his death. Vol. III, No. 2, February, 1891, is the last issue with his imprint." From the mysterious treasure-seeking trip to Salem in 1836 (D&C 111) and the dedication of the Kirtland Temple in Ohio, to events in Far West and Nauvoo, Ebenezer Robinson was there, and he chronicled events with details not found anywhere else. "We [i.e., I ] did not see the angel," he admits of the temple events, "but . . . tarried all night still waiting upon the Lord [April 30], and rejoicing in him. Some testified of having the visions of heaven opened to their view, others enjoyed the spirit of prophecy . . . For our part we did not have any of those gifts bestowed upon us on that occasion, but we rejoiced greatly, and felt to "praise the name of the Lord of hosts, because he was restoring to the children of men in these days the ancient order of things, and opening the way for the gathering of Israel." Thus we wrote in our journal at the time." [issue for June, 1889 (I:6), pp. 90-1] Here is Robinson's personal recollection of David W. PATTEN: "We [i.e., I] esteemed him very highly, as a good man, and loved him as such. He was brave to a fault. So much so, that he was styled and called, "Captain Fearnought." He seemed reckless of his life, as though it was scarce worth preserving. He had said to us [i.e., me], before there was any indication of a mob, or difficulty with the people of Missouri, "If I dare to do it, I could wish myself dead." We did not feel at liberty to ask him any reason for such a wish, but presume it was on account of those things transpiring in the church, as we did not know of his having any domestic or financial troubles." [issue for January, 1890 (II:1), p. 202] For one final example of the indispensible nature of this surprising historical source, here is a glance at comments Robinson offers to prove to the Reorganized Church that the temple ceremony did not originate with Brigham Young in Utah: "We [i.e., I] here state a few facts which came under our personal observation. As early as 1843 a secret order was established in Nauvoo, called the HOLY ORDER, the members of which were of both sexes, in which, we were credibly informed, scenes were enacted representing the garden of Eden, and that the members of that order were provided with a peculiar under garment called a robe. 'It was made in one piece. On the right breast is a square, on the left a compass, in the centre a small hole, and on the knee a large hole.' This was the description of that garment as given to the writer in Nauvoo, in Joseph Smith's life time. It was claimed that while they wore this "robe" no harm could befall them. . . . . . "One day in June, 1844, the 'Order' was in session from morning until evening. At the adjournment for dinner we saw Joseph Smith come from there, and again after dinner, he returned back to the same place, as in returning from dinner President Smith and the writer walked by ourselves, side by side in intimate conversation, but parted at the store. "Not long after parting with President Smith, wishing to speak with him, we [i.e., I] ran hastily up the stairs to call him out when to our amazement we encountered John Taylor, one of the twelve Apostles, in a long white garment, with a white turban on his head, and a drawn sword in his hand, evidently representing the 'cherubims and flaming sword which was placed at the east of the garden of Eden, to guard the tree of life.' He informed us Bro. Joseph was in the room. "Here, we understand, and firmly believe, the ceremony originated, as practiced in the endowment house in Utah . . ." [issue for April, 1890 (II:4), p.252] This is a one-time opportunity to acquire the complete Robinson run of this essentially unobtainable periodical; I cannot expect to have one for sale again. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Date: 21 Mar 2001 03:05:52 GMT Many thanks for posting this, Rick. As always, you're a fountain of fascinating information. Best, John > Aftern my post regarding Ebenezer Robinson's periodical, THE RETURN, I > realized that I had a lengthy write-up in my Mormon List 50 (May 1995). This > may be of help to those who are curious . . . > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 21 Mar 2001 03:13:26 GMT I've really enjoyed this thread and am grateful to Matt for his informative post about the bio's in progress. I hadn't heard about more than half of them. If shelfers don't mind, I'd be very interested in seeing individual lists of what shelfers think the best biography on each church president is. For example, my list would look something like this: Joseph Smith the First Mormon Brigham Young: American Moses The Kingdom or Nothing (reprinted as The Last Pioneer) Things of Heaven and Earth Etc. - I stop the list here because it gets tough to pick good biographies beyond these first four presidents. What does everyone recommend? Thanks! John< - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Date: 20 Mar 2001 22:16:53 -0600 And here we have it from Rickbook himself, only slightly out of context, = that underlining in books is OK as long as one uses a ruler. Mick 22 cm. (first issue); 22.7 cm. (following issues). 384 (vols. I-II = paged=20 consecutively); 32 (vol. III:1-2) pages. Natural even browning of the = wood=20 pulp paper, but all pages in very good, unworn condition. Occasional=20 passages have been underlined in ink, but very neatly, using a ruler. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 20 Mar 2001 20:26:35 -0800 Matt what a really good post. (How do you like my kissing up? Now go find me some good books:-)) I have heard of pretty much the same list except I had not heard anything about the John Taylor and John Widtsoe bios. Devery told me a while ago that he was still working on Willard Richard's but the Dialogue history was keeping him pretty busy. I also think I told him that I wish he would edit the Willard Richard's journals. He was flattered, but I think over whelmed. Ron Walker told us at the MESG that he still wanted to finish the HJG bio but could not with the present policy of the CHD. So at this point it is dead. John knows more about Scott's JFS bio., but Scott did tell me he was actively writing 3 or 4 years ago. This is a bio I look forward to. I like Scott's writing style. Scott did tell me that he felt JFS was a bit of a boring person to write about. He thought it strange when I told him that Mike Quinn had told me JFS was the second most complicated person to write about in Mormonism after JS. Scott Faulring wrote me an email last summer saying that he was working on the Martin Harris papers and David Whitmer papers and hoped to publish these after the Oliver papers came out. He wrote that he is also working on the publication of the Original Manuscripts of the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. I am particularly looking forward to Martin Harris papers. I think he is as fascinating of a person you can find. Hugh, your next project......write a volume about the early Mormon Printers "Grandin, Ebenezer Robinson and WW Phelps". Joe >Morgan's and Joe's comments about upcoming biographies brings up a related >question: What Mormon related biographies/autobiographies are in the >works, forthcoming or ought to be in the works? > >I am aware of the following: > >1. Ed Kimball's administrative bio on President Kimball (as mentioned) >2. Greg Prince is supposedly working on an administrative biography of >David O. McKay. >3. Bushman on Joseph Smith (as previously mentioned) >4. Carol Madsen on Emmeline B. Wells (as previously mentioned) >5. Jill Mulvay Derr apparently took over Maureen Ursenbach Beecher's work >on Eliza R. Snow. >6. Isn't Devery Anderson working on a Willard Richards bio? >7. Is Ron Walker still working on a Heber J. Grant bio or was that >scrapped? >8. Paul Thomas Smith is supposedly working on a John Taylor bio. >9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith bio? >10. Mike Quinn's revised and significantly expanded bio on J. Reuben Clark >is forthcoming from Signature later this Summer. I can't wait! >11. Bruce Van Orden is working on a W.W. Phelps bio. >12. A BYU religion professor is working on a John Widstoe bio, but I can't >remember his name. > >Does anyone have updated information on the above list? > >I think the following bios need to be written: > >1. We need a good bio on Hyrum Smith. >2. We need a good bio on Oliver Cowdery. I hope Faulring's "The Papers of >Oliver Cowdery" will be out soon. That should facilitate a good Oliver >Cowdery bio. >3. Bruce R. McConkie, not just highlights. >4. James E. Talmage (I am aware of John Talmage's bio of his father, but I >would love to see one much more substantive and comprehensive) >5. Parley P. Pratt (I am aware of his autobiography, but we need a good >scholarly biography) >6. Lorenzo Snow > > >There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women and >lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? > >Thanks. > >Matt > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Date: 21 Mar 2001 00:34:32 EST In a message dated 03/20/2001 11:20:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << And here we have it from Rickbook himself, only slightly out of context, that underlining in books is OK as long as one uses a ruler. >> Well, I see that in the moving process, I have misplaced my NOTES TO THE NEOPHYTE, by David Magee, where he teaches the fledgling cataloger always to characterize notes scribbled in books as "scholarly." Wish I could have given you the whole quote, but we have all seen - and used - the euphemisms. heh, heh! RG - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 21 Mar 2001 12:03:10 EST In a message dated 03/20/2001 7:15:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, hstocks@vii.com writes: << But maybe Rick has access to old newspaper sources there in the B[urnt-] O[ver] D[istrict] which might cast light on the question... >> Nothing much, here. I have run onto a few minor details of his life, but nothing about his subsequent feelings about having printed the Book of Mormon. When I found an early 1830s sheriff's bond signed by him (at a philatelic show about 1985), Mark Hoffman wanted to buy it from me in the worst way. If I recall correctly, my authentic Grandin signature did not look quite like the one Mark had previously forged on the bogus manuscript agreement to print the Book of Mormon. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marshall Hamilton Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 21 Mar 2001 12:26:48 -0500 RickBook@aol.com wrote: > When I found an early 1830s sheriff's bond signed by him (at a > philatelic show about 1985), Mark Hoffman wanted to buy it from me in the > worst way. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Rickbook, but I'd have to argue that Mark's enthusiasm for buying that sheriff's bond fell quite a bit short of the worst techniques in Hofmann's arsenal. (I was going to add a grin, but somehow it just doesn't seem appropriate in discussing Hofmann's methods.) Besides the smart-alecky comments, Rick, I'm curious...did this experience make you question Hofmann's reliability at the time? -- Marshall Hamilton marshall@fred.net Frederick, Maryland - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Date: 21 Mar 2001 09:30:20 -0800 Rick, You are the man! I mean that most sincerely. When I read you or Peter Crawley I get goose bumps. I hope you don't allow all this wonderful information to not be published in book form. You also have to write a book about your life as a book seller. This stuff about Mark Hofmann and your other incredible experiences are golden. Joe >Aftern my post regarding Ebenezer Robinson's periodical, THE RETURN, I >realized that I had a lengthy write-up in my Mormon List 50 (May 1995). >This >may be of help to those who are curious . . . > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:04:00 EST In a message dated 03/21/2001 12:30:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbssman@hotmail.com writes: << Rick, You are the man! I mean that most sincerely. When I read you or Peter Crawley I get goose bumps. I hope you don't allow all this wonderful information to not be published in book form. You also have to write a book about your life as a book seller. This stuff about Mark Hofmann and your other incredible experiences are golden. Joe >> Thanks for the kind words, Joe, but I am about a two on a scale reaching up to ten. I was just chatting with a customer, and we were reminiscing about the grand old bookdealers. They are dying off rapidly, and there won't be any more of them. The internet has changed the means of buying and selling, and the mentality to understand and appreciate the books themselves, in the old ways, is quickly fading into oblivion. RG - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:06:48 EST In a message dated 03/21/2001 12:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, marshall@fred.net writes: << I have nothing but the greatest respect for Rickbook, but I'd have to argue that Mark's enthusiasm for buying that sheriff's bond fell quite a bit short of the worst techniques in Hofmann's arsenal. (I was going to add a grin, but somehow it just doesn't seem appropriate in discussing Hofmann's methods.) Besides the smart-alecky comments, Rick, I'm curious...did this experience make you question Hofmann's reliability at the time? >> I guess I'm dense today, Marshall - but I didn't quite understand what you meant in either the first or third paragraphs above? RG - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marshall Hamilton Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] My lame explanations Date: 21 Mar 2001 18:18:23 -0500 Rick, I'm sorry that my message was so impenetrable before. You said Hofmann wanted the Grandin signature "in the worst way." My comment simply meant that Mark's worst turned out to be a couple of orders of magnitude worse than anybody else's worst...and that, thankfully, he didn't resort to dealing with you in the same, worst, way that he employed later. Also, I was just wondering whether you became suspicious of Mark, when he was so anxious to get your genuine Grandin signature--before the truth about his forgeries became public. And I second Joe's suggestion that you put your bookselling experiences on paper so they won't be lost to the ages. -- Marshall Hamilton marshall@fred.net Frederick, Maryland - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] My lame explanations Date: 22 Mar 2001 00:23:36 GMT > And I second Joe's suggestion > that you put your bookselling experiences on paper so they won't be lost > to the ages. Here, here! I'd love to see a book with your experiences. John" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 21 Mar 2001 22:06:02 -0700 ROY SCHMIDT wrote: > > > >>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" 03/20/01 11:11AM >>> > Morgan's and Joe's comments about upcoming biographies brings up a > related question: What Mormon related biographies/autobiographies are > in the works, forthcoming or ought to be in the works? > > I am aware of the following: > > 1. Ed Kimball's administrative bio on President Kimball (as > mentioned) > 2. Greg Prince is supposedly working on an administrative biography > of David O. McKay. > 3. Bushman on Joseph Smith (as previously mentioned) > 4. Carol Madsen on Emmeline B. Wells (as previously mentioned) > 5. Jill Mulvay Derr apparently took over Maureen Ursenbach Beecher's > work on Eliza R. Snow. > 6. Isn't Devery Anderson working on a Willard Richards bio? > 7. Is Ron Walker still working on a Heber J. Grant bio or was that > scrapped? > 8. Paul Thomas Smith is supposedly working on a John Taylor bio. > 9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith > bio? > 10. Mike Quinn's revised and significantly expanded bio on J. Reuben > Clark is forthcoming from Signature later this Summer. I can't wait! > 11. Bruce Van Orden is working on a W.W. Phelps bio. > 12. A BYU religion professor is working on a John Widstoe bio, but I > can't remember his name. > > Does anyone have updated information on the above list? > > I think the following bios need to be written: > > 1. We need a good bio on Hyrum Smith. > 2. We need a good bio on Oliver Cowdery. I hope Faulring's "The > Papers of Oliver Cowdery" will be out soon. That should facilitate a > good Oliver Cowdery bio. > 3. Bruce R. McConkie, not just highlights. > 4. James E. Talmage (I am aware of John Talmage's bio of his father, > but I would love to see one much more substantive and comprehensive) > 5. Parley P. Pratt (I am aware of his autobiography, but we need a > good scholarly biography) > 6. Lorenzo Snow > > There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women > and lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? > > Thanks. > > Matt > > I don't know if anyone mentioned the forthcoming biography of Joseph Smith by Dan Vogel (not sure when, but will be published by Signature). His approach, as I understand it, will be to provide purely naturalistic explanations for the supernatural events, experiences, etc. in Joseph's life. It is sure to be controversial and will undoubtedly make many uncomfortable but ought to be quite intriguing. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Date: 22 Mar 2001 10:24:15 -0500 Bushman mentioned Vogel's approach in his paper at the bio conference - but I don't remember him saying anything about a JS bio by Vogel. --Doug > -----Original Message----- > > I don't know if anyone mentioned the forthcoming biography of Joseph Smith > by Dan Vogel (not sure when, but will be published by Signature). His > approach, as I understand it, will be to provide purely naturalistic > explanations for the supernatural events, experiences, etc. in Joseph's > life. It is sure to be controversial and will undoubtedly make many > uncomfortable but ought to be quite intriguing. > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Date: 22 Mar 2001 13:32:15 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0B2D4.83A7D880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in = Maine. People go to the school during the summer for a week to read and = discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person and included room = and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the books = in the price as well. The books were all American literature titles. =20 My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could = put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get Michael Dawson = or someone from Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we could = probably get someone from the Huntington book conservation dept. to talk = to us as well. Better yet, get Curt and Rick to talk of book collecting = in the Mormon market. =20 For fun, one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book = scavenger hunt for the best & cheapest offerings . nah - we'd just get = to fighting over who gets to keep the treasures found. =20 If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. = This could even be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with = a MHA meeting or Sunstone=20 Symposium. =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0B2D4.83A7D880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in Maine. People go to the school during the summer for a = week to read and discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person and = included room and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the = books in the price as well. The books were all American literature = titles.

My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could = put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get = Michael Dawson or someone from = Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we could probably get someone from = the Huntington book conservation = dept. to talk to us as well. Better yet, get Curt<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> and = Rick<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> to talk of book = collecting in the Mormon market.

For fun, one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book = scavenger hunt for the best & cheapest offerings … nah – = we’d just get to fighting over who gets to keep the treasures = found.

If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late = summer. This could even be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction = with a MHA meeting or Sunstone

Symposium.=

--Steve=

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0B2D4.83A7D880-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Date: 22 Mar 2001 17:36:42 EST In a message dated 03/22/2001 4:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, seccles@gte.net writes: << If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. >> You folks have fun! RickBook will still be digging himself out of snow banks next summer, if only figuratively. We have had more than 100 inches in excess of last year's season total (186.6 inches at last reading today, the all-time record being 192.1 in 1992-3), have had much more snow in March than in either January or February, and the white stuff is falling furiously even at this moment. It's pretty, but it really kills the pocketbook (heating, snow removal, business time lost sitting home snowed-in and grumbling). White & delightsome, R. Book - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Date: 22 Mar 2001 15:00:25 -0800 Rick I am sure we'll be able to thaw you in Southern California during August! With rolling black outs scheduled, it definitely will heat up. Bring some of your cool weather with you. Phil > In a message dated 03/22/2001 4:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > seccles@gte.net writes: > > << If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. >> > > > You folks have fun! RickBook will still be digging himself out of snow banks > next summer, if only figuratively. We have had more than 100 inches in > excess of last year's season total (186.6 inches at last reading today, the > all-time record being 192.1 in 1992-3), have had much more snow in March than > in either January or February, and the white stuff is falling furiously even > at this moment. It's pretty, but it really kills the pocketbook (heating, > snow removal, business time lost sitting home snowed-in and grumbling). > > White & delightsome, > > R. Book > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Antique Show in S.L. Date: 23 Mar 2001 02:07:40 GMT Just wondering if anyone is planning on going to the antique show this weekend in Salt Lake. I know of one dealer who will be there with several remarkable items, including an 1830 Book of Mormon, a first edition Mormonism Unvailed by Howe, and several middle to lower end items. It's friday, saturday, and sunday at the Southtowne Expo Center. Should be good! John… - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:55:58 -0800 Ah, the joys of an early Texas spring, gulf coast climate, and energy self-sufficiency in the independent republic of Texas....snow...hmmm...I'm not at all familiar with the term. Please remind me I said this in September when it is still 95 degrees with the humidity at the same number. Dennis -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:00 PM Rick I am sure we'll be able to thaw you in Southern California during August! With rolling black outs scheduled, it definitely will heat up. Bring some of your cool weather with you. Phil > In a message dated 03/22/2001 4:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > seccles@gte.net writes: > > << If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. >> > > > You folks have fun! RickBook will still be digging himself out of snow banks > next summer, if only figuratively. We have had more than 100 inches in > excess of last year's season total (186.6 inches at last reading today, the > all-time record being 192.1 in 1992-3), have had much more snow in March than > in either January or February, and the white stuff is falling furiously even > at this moment. It's pretty, but it really kills the pocketbook (heating, > snow removal, business time lost sitting home snowed-in and grumbling). > > White & delightsome, > > R. Book > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Skidmore" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Date: 22 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0B326.866EA060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, I have fantasied since reading A GENTLE MADNESS that BYU or someone = would teach a "Fine Arts 5e" course. Apparently, "shortly after the Widener Library at Harvard was opened in = 1915, G.W. Winship set out to become its rare book specialist. He set = aside an area he called the "treasure room" (Rick, is this part of your = inspiration?) I quote again, "Once settled in his new job, Winship = began teaching what curriculum catalogues of the period identify as Fine = Arts 5e, a sort of hands on course attended almost exclusively by the = sons of wealthy families." This was to cultivate future benefactors of = Harvard. This became one of the most exclusive clubs at Harvard. "Not only did the standards of admission made the course exclusive, but = the physical setting was likewise unique. The students met in the = elegant new Widener Room, home to Harry's rare-book collection, where = "easy chairs and an open fire" provided "all the sybaritic comforts of a = palace" and "the environment of a connoisseur." Winship would sit at = the head of a long table, intermittently handling around illuminated manuscripts and incunabula = for our inspection. Technical instruction was at a minimum: aesthetic = appreciation and cultural background at a maximum. It was the book as a = creation, as a work of art, as an important factor in its time and = place, that he stressed, rather than the devitalizing details of = pagination and collation. And he stressed these thins well; so well, in = truth, that most of us were carried away with enthusiasm." pp. 191-192. So when Fine Arts 5e starts up sign me up! I want to see and touch and = hold all early Mormon printing and be instructed as to its creation and = its significance in the history of the modern church and individuals = lives. I suspect that Mr. Gunder is the only person with enough = expertise and contacts to schedule this annual week long event in the = bowels of the Harold B. Lee Library. (Who knows - perhaps it already = exists) But like a second annointing - if you have to ask - it ain't = going to happen. I patiently learn and await the call. =20 In the mean time Steve Eccles, count me in. David Skidmore =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Eccles=20 To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in = Maine. People go to the school during the summer for a week to read and = discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person and included room = and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the books = in the price as well. The books were all American literature titles. =20 My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We = could put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get Michael = Dawson or someone from Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we = could probably get someone from the Huntington book conservation dept. = to talk to us as well. Better yet, get Curt and Rick to talk of book = collecting in the Mormon market. =20 For fun, one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book = scavenger hunt for the best & cheapest offerings . nah - we'd just get = to fighting over who gets to keep the treasures found. =20 If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. = This could even be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with = a MHA meeting or Sunstone=20 Symposium. =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0B326.866EA060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Steve,

I have fantasied since reading A GENTLE = MADNESS=20 that BYU or someone would teach a "Fine Arts 5e" course.

Apparently, "shortly after the Widener = Library at=20 Harvard was opened in 1915, G.W. Winship set out to become its rare book = specialist. He set aside an area he called the "treasure room" = (Rick, is=20 this part of your inspiration?) I quote again, "Once settled = in his=20 new job, Winship began teaching what curriculum catalogues of the period = identify as Fine Arts 5e, a sort of hands on course attended almost = exclusively=20 by the sons of wealthy families." This was to cultivate future = benefactors=20 of Harvard. This became one of the most exclusive clubs at=20 Harvard.

"Not only did the standards of = admission made the=20 course exclusive, but the physical setting was likewise unique. = The=20 students met in the elegant new Widener Room, home to Harry's rare-book=20 collection, where "easy chairs and an open fire" provided "all the = sybaritic=20 comforts of a palace" and "the environment of a connoisseur." = Winship=20 would sit at the head of a long table,

intermittently handling around = illuminated=20 manuscripts and incunabula for our inspection. Technical = instruction was=20 at a minimum: aesthetic appreciation and cultural background at a = maximum. =20 It was the book as a creation, as a work of art, as an important factor = in its=20 time and place, that he stressed, rather than the devitalizing details = of=20 pagination and collation. And he stressed these thins well; so = well, in=20 truth, that most of us were carried away with enthusiasm." pp.=20 191-192.

So when Fine Arts 5e starts up sign me = up! I=20 want to see and touch and hold all early Mormon printing and be = instructed as to=20 its creation and its significance in the history of the modern church = and=20 individuals lives. I suspect that Mr. Gunder is the only person = with=20 enough expertise and contacts to schedule this annual week long event in = the=20 bowels of the Harold B. Lee Library. (Who knows - perhaps it = already=20 exists) But like a second annointing - if you have to ask - it = ain't going=20 to happen. I patiently learn and await the call. =

In the mean time Steve Eccles, count me = in.

David Skidmore

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = Eccles
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmis= sion.com=20

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 = 1:32=20 PM

Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer = Retreat

Phil Bradford ran across a very = interesting=20 program at a college in Maine. People go to the school during the = summer for a=20 week to read and discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person = and=20 included room and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they = send the=20 books in the price as well. The books were all American literature=20 titles.

My=20 question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could = put=20 something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get=20 Michael Dawson or someone from = Heritage to talk=20 about book collecting, and we could probably get someone from the=20 Huntington book conservation dept. = to talk=20 to us as well. Better yet, get Curt and = Rick to talk of book = collecting in the=20 Mormon market.

For fun,=20 one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book scavenger hunt = for the=20 best & cheapest offerings … nah – we’d just get = to fighting over who gets=20 to keep the treasures found.

If there=20 is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. This = could even=20 be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with a MHA meeting = or=20 Sunstone

Symposium.

--Steve

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0B326.866EA060-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] New Purchase Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:00:44 -0700 I am really enjoying the discussion on the new bookshelf and hope it continues in this manner. The latest book I have read is "Evolution and Mormonism: A Quest for Understanding" by Trent D. Stephens and D. Jeffrey Meldrum. This is a signature title in wraps that I just recently purchased. The book presents a lot of recent discoveries in primate evolution and attempts to show that the idea of organic evolution may not be incompatable with Mormon theology. Those conclusions aside, the book is very readable, full of information with sources revealed and quite thought provoking. Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Website Date: 24 Mar 2001 10:14:42 -0800 It appears that a bankruptcy judge finally awarded the assets of our former website host to a new ISP and our website is now gone. Not a big deal since I haven't been able to access it for updates since last fall. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Date: 24 Mar 2001 14:21:03 -0800 So some enterprising librarian ought to cajole Peter Crawley into running this course. Tuition is handled by donating the finest book in your collection to the HBL library. Keith At 11:19 PM 3/22/01 -0800, you wrote: >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas:contacts" >xmlns:st2 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> >Steve, >I have fantasied since reading A GENTLE MADNESS that BYU or someone would >teach a "Fine Arts 5e" course. > >Apparently, "shortly after the Widener Library at Harvard was opened in >1915, G.W. Winship set out to become its rare book specialist. He set >aside an area he called the "treasure room" (Rick, is this part of your >inspiration?) I quote again, "Once settled in his new job, Winship began >teaching what curriculum catalogues of the period identify as Fine Arts >5e, a sort of hands on course attended almost exclusively by the sons of >wealthy families." This was to cultivate future benefactors of >Harvard. This became one of the most exclusive clubs at Harvard. > >"Not only did the standards of admission made the course exclusive, but >the physical setting was likewise unique. The students met in the elegant >new Widener Room, home to Harry's rare-book collection, where "easy chairs >and an open fire" provided "all the sybaritic comforts of a palace" and >"the environment of a connoisseur." Winship would sit at the head of a >long table, >intermittently handling around illuminated manuscripts and incunabula for >our inspection. Technical instruction was at a minimum: aesthetic >appreciation and cultural background at a maximum. It was the book as a >creation, as a work of art, as an important factor in its time and place, >that he stressed, rather than the devitalizing details of pagination and >collation. And he stressed these thins well; so well, in truth, that most >of us were carried away with enthusiasm." pp. 191-192. > >So when Fine Arts 5e starts up sign me up! I want to see and touch and >hold all early Mormon printing and be instructed as to its creation and >its significance in the history of the modern church and individuals >lives. I suspect that Mr. Gunder is the only person with enough expertise >and contacts to schedule this annual week long event in the bowels of the >Harold B. Lee Library. (Who knows - perhaps it already exists) But like >a second annointing - if you have to ask - it ain't going to happen. I >patiently learn and await the call. >In the mean time Steve Eccles, count me in. >David Skidmore > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve Eccles >To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:32 PM >Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat > >Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in Maine. >People go to the school during the summer for a week to read and discuss >books. The program ran about $500 per person and included room and board >including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the books in the price >as well. The books were all American literature titles. > > > >My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could >put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get Michael Dawson or >someone from Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we could probably >get someone from the Huntington book conservation dept. to talk to us as >well. Better yet, get Curt and Rick to talk of book collecting in the >Mormon market. > > > >For fun, one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book scavenger >hunt for the best & cheapest offerings & nah we d just get to fighting >over who gets to keep the treasures found. > > > >If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. This >could even be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with a MHA >meeting or Sunstone > >Symposium. > > > >--Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Tyler's Mormon Battalion Date: 25 Mar 2001 17:08:49 -0800 If anyone runs into a partial of this book in 1st ed., let me know. I need the last two pages of the table of contents. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Tyler's Mormon Battalion Date: 26 Mar 2001 07:14:25 -0800 Keith, You have to tell us the tale of your aquiring this copy. Your Kansas experience is unforgettable. Joe >If anyone runs into a partial of this book in 1st ed., let me know. I need >the last two pages of the table of contents. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Max Adeler Date: 27 Mar 2001 12:54:22 -0600 Hello, I'm looking for some information about a story by Max Adeler pseud. = (Charles Heber Clark) from the late 1870's called Tragedy of Thompson = Dunbar, A Tale of Salt Lake. Is it booklength? Is it a short story? If = so, which Adeler collection might it be found in? Someone with an Artemis = Ward volume on their shelves should be able to help with this, don't you = think? I find no mention of it as a stand-alone title on "a large = internet bookseller database." Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis C. Davis" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] New Subscriber Date: 27 Mar 2001 23:30:00 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0B715.D778FA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings LDS-Bookshelfers: Hugh wrote: "Hi Dennis: I have just subscribed you to the 'new' = old lds-bookshelf. Take a moment and INTRODUCE yourself. best regards, = Hugh" "Introduce yourself" !!! Hummmmmm. Welllll, I am a 64 year old retired District Court Clerk with a = life-long insatiable appetite for buying and reading Church books. = Though I have been extremely fortunate in the acquiring and reading = department, there always seems to be something new or something long = overlooked that I need to acquire. So, after 44 years, I have yet to = exhaust my book frenzy! I started out buying everything available by General Authorities, = slipped into acquiring Church periodicals, and then I went crazy buying = anything that was a Church book. If you were to see my house and the = book overload, you would think that I had a screw loose. There is one area, though, into which I have not and could not = financially embark, and that is expensive first editions, like from 1830 = on.... =DC I do have one example that haunts me--years ago I passed up = buying a beautiful First Edition Book of Mormon for $600.00. 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Greetings = LDS-Bookshelfers:

Hugh wrote: = "Hi=20 Dennis: I have just subscribed you to the 'new' old = lds-bookshelf. =20 Take a moment and INTRODUCE yourself. best regards, = Hugh"

"Introduce yourself" = !!! =20 Hummmmmm.

Welllll, I am a 64 = year old=20 retired District Court Clerk with a life-long insatiable appetite for = buying and=20 reading Church books. Though I have been extremely fortunate in = the=20 acquiring and reading department, there always seems to be something new = or=20 something long overlooked that I need to acquire. So, after 44 = years, I=20 have yet to exhaust my book frenzy!

I started out buying = everything=20 available by General Authorities, slipped into acquiring Church = periodicals, and=20 then I went crazy buying anything that was a Church book. If you = were to=20 see my house and the book overload, you would think that I had a screw=20 loose.

There is one area, = though, into=20 which I have not and could not financially embark, and that is expensive = first=20 editions, like from 1830 on.... =DC I do have one example = that haunts=20 me--years ago I passed up buying a beautiful First Edition Book of = Mormon for=20 $600.00.

Dennis "C" = Davis

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0B715.D778FA80-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kovacich Mormon book Collection Date: 28 Mar 2001 16:30:05 -0700 > > I thought Bookshelvers might be interested in knowing that we have > acquired the balance of the Kovacich Mormon collection from the estate. > 13 cartons have now arrived at my shop. Many of you attended the > Kovacich auction a year and a half ago. This is all material > subsequently found and was not in the auction. There are a number of > scriptures, a long run of early pamphlets and tracts, foreign language > materials, anti-Mormon books, ephemera, etc. etc. We have recently also purchased Kent Walgren's 30 year reference library; bibliographies and books on books. It includes copies of the original Biblioteca Scallywagania, several original Auerbach catalogs and the rare 1953 Eberstadt Utah and the Mormons catalog, among other items. Keith/Hugh, if this message is too commercial for the bookshelf, please let me know. -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] New Subscriber Date: 28 Mar 2001 15:18:48 -0800 Welcome to the bookshelf, Dennis. I suspect we all have a tale to tell about the "book we almost bought." In= =20 my case it was a pristine full leather 1st London edition of CITY OF THE=20 SAINTS inscribed by Burton. Price was $400 which I thought was way too=20 high. Ha! I haven't even SEEN a 1st London in leather since then. Keith At 11:30 PM 3/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings LDS-Bookshelfers: > > Hugh wrote: "Hi Dennis: I have just subscribed you to the 'new' old= =20 > lds-bookshelf. Take a moment and INTRODUCE yourself. best regards, Hugh" > > "Introduce yourself" !!! Hummmmmm. > > Welllll, I am a 64 year old retired District Court Clerk with a=20 > life-long insatiable appetite for buying and reading Church=20 > books. Though I have been extremely fortunate in the acquiring and=20 > reading department, there always seems to be something new or something=20 > long overlooked that I need to acquire. So, after 44 years, I have yet=20 > to exhaust my book frenzy! > > I started out buying everything available by General Authorities,=20 > slipped into acquiring Church periodicals, and then I went crazy buying=20 > anything that was a Church book. If you were to see my house and the=20 > book overload, you would think that I had a screw loose. > > There is one area, though, into which I have not and could not=20 > financially embark, and that is expensive first editions, like from 1830= =20 > on.... =DC I do have one example that haunts me--years ago I passed up= =20 > buying a beautiful First Edition Book of Mormon for $600.00. > > Dennis "C" Davis > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kovacich Mormon book Collection Date: 28 Mar 2001 16:49:00 -0700 What a mess! I have just spent the last five minutes drooling all over my keyboard. Roy >>> Ken Sanders 03/28/01 04:30PM >>> > > I thought Bookshelvers might be interested in knowing that we have > acquired the balance of the Kovacich Mormon collection from the estate. > 13 cartons have now arrived at my shop. Many of you attended the > Kovacich auction a year and a half ago. This is all material > subsequently found and was not in the auction. There are a number of > scriptures, a long run of early pamphlets and tracts, foreign language > materials, anti-Mormon books, ephemera, etc. etc. We have recently also purchased Kent Walgren's 30 year reference library; bibliographies and books on books. It includes copies of the original Biblioteca Scallywagania, several original Auerbach catalogs and the rare 1953 Eberstadt Utah and the Mormons catalog, among other items. Keith/Hugh, if this message is too commercial for the bookshelf, please let me know. -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] From Rick Grunder Date: 28 Mar 2001 21:47:25 EST Incidentally, Ken, I take it for granted that you have all the customers you need to fight over that Book of Commandments you mentioned. But if you do not, I have one or two who do not show up on the normally-known "rosters" of big-time Mormon buyers. No idea how they would respond, but they certainly do not seem to be short on dollars. And, I'm not very greedy when it comes to commissions. Rick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kovacich Mormon book Collection Date: 28 Mar 2001 21:49:27 EST Oh, and I forgot to mention - Although that set of five of the golden plates sounds tempting, I'm afraid that my Eastern collectors are simply too blase about things which are not printed on paper. But keep me in mind should you decide to let the 116 pages go! Heh, heh - drooling here as well! Rick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kovacich Mormon book Collection Date: 28 Mar 2001 19:41:44 -0800 Hugh and I discussed this and decided the following: Dealers with morsels which would make members of this list drool, may post notice of such items only after complying with what shall henceforth be known as the Irwin/McKell rule, which states: "Drool producing morsels may be posted to the list only after submitting a description and favorable price of said morsels to the two listowners 24 hours in advance of the posting along with your phone number." "Mere mention of these morsels to ANYONE except said listowners shall be grounds for excommunication and said listowners shall shake the dust off their books to ensure your eternal condemnation." Other than that, have at it. I think our old rule at LDS-Bookshelf is still a good guideline. If it's unusual, as this is, we'd enjoy hearing about it. But if it's just a normal book under discussion and you have a copy, let the interested parties know off line. Congratulations on this great acquisition. Keith At 04:30 PM 3/28/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > I thought Bookshelvers might be interested in knowing that we have > > acquired the balance of the Kovacich Mormon collection from the estate. > > 13 cartons have now arrived at my shop. Many of you attended the > > Kovacich auction a year and a half ago. This is all material > > subsequently found and was not in the auction. There are a number of > > scriptures, a long run of early pamphlets and tracts, foreign language > > materials, anti-Mormon books, ephemera, etc. etc. > >We have recently also purchased Kent Walgren's 30 year reference library; >bibliographies and books on books. It includes copies of the original >Biblioteca Scallywagania, several original Auerbach catalogs and the rare >1953 Eberstadt Utah and the Mormons catalog, among other items. > >Keith/Hugh, if this message is too commercial for the bookshelf, please let >me know. > >-- >Ken Sanders >Ken Sanders Rare Books >268 South 200 East >Salt Lake City UT 84111 >(801) 521-3819 >Fax: (801) 521-2606 >http://www.ksb.com >ken@dreamgarden.com > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendall Gubler Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kovacich Mormon book Collection Date: 29 Mar 2001 00:18:42 -0700 Ken I'm curious does that mean Kent is getting out of the book business? Kendall Ken Sanders wrote: > > > > I thought Bookshelvers might be interested in knowing that we have > > acquired the balance of the Kovacich Mormon collection from the estate. > > 13 cartons have now arrived at my shop. Many of you attended the > > Kovacich auction a year and a half ago. This is all material > > subsequently found and was not in the auction. There are a number of > > scriptures, a long run of early pamphlets and tracts, foreign language > > materials, anti-Mormon books, ephemera, etc. etc. > > We have recently also purchased Kent Walgren's 30 year reference library; > bibliographies and books on books. It includes copies of the original > Biblioteca Scallywagania, several original Auerbach catalogs and the rare > 1953 Eberstadt Utah and the Mormons catalog, among other items. > > Keith/Hugh, if this message is too commercial for the bookshelf, please let > me know. > > -- > Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders Rare Books > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.ksb.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kovacich Mormon book Collection Date: 29 Mar 2001 09:22:44 -0700 No, Kent Walgren is not getting out of the book biz. Kent, as many of you know is an attorney for the state of Utah and loathes his job. He has been for the past year or so, attempting to simplify his life. He recently sold his car for example and bicycles everywhere he goes, or walks. The sale of his outstanding reference library is just part of the voluntary simplicity program. One I was happy to be a part of. I like things complex. More books is always good. I have had to add four bookcases to my reference library to accomodate this purchase. The new combined reference library is now stretches over 12 bookcases. Ken Sanders Kendall Gubler wrote: > Ken > I'm curious does that mean Kent is getting out of the book business? > Kendall > > Ken Sanders wrote: > > > > > > > I thought Bookshelvers might be interested in knowing that we have > > > acquired the balance of the Kovacich Mormon collection from the estate. > > > 13 cartons have now arrived at my shop. Many of you attended the > > > Kovacich auction a year and a half ago. This is all material > > > subsequently found and was not in the auction. There are a number of > > > scriptures, a long run of early pamphlets and tracts, foreign language > > > materials, anti-Mormon books, ephemera, etc. etc. > > > > We have recently also purchased Kent Walgren's 30 year reference library; > > bibliographies and books on books. It includes copies of the original > > Biblioteca Scallywagania, several original Auerbach catalogs and the rare > > 1953 Eberstadt Utah and the Mormons catalog, among other items. > > > > Keith/Hugh, if this message is too commercial for the bookshelf, please let > > me know. > > > > -- > > Ken Sanders > > Ken Sanders Rare Books > > 268 South 200 East > > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > > (801) 521-3819 > > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > > http://www.ksb.com > > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bibliographic Laugh for the Day Date: 30 Mar 2001 17:45:23 EST The following exchange was in response to a Doctrine and Covenants which I am selling on eBay this week for a very nice family which needs the money more than they need the book . . . Subj: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1419036977 In a message dated 03/30/2001 5:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, ssperber@bgm-fmj.com writes: << I am not a Mormon myself--but it seems rather odd that you should be selling for a profit such a significant religious artifact. Somthing of this import clearly should be turned over to a museum or the Church of LDS itself. >> Let me suggest that, in this same spirit, you take your most significant income received in the next several months and donate it to the museum or religious institution of your choice. Do you have any concept of how many museums already own an example of this book? Or how many copies line the shelves of the Church's Historical Department in Salt Lake City? Or how very easily the Church could afford to buy this book from me if they desired to add it to their collections? Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bibliographic Laugh for the Day Date: 30 Mar 2001 23:36:52 GMT I've had people in my ward ask me why I don't donate my collection to the church. I've given them pretty much the same answer, but I've also explained that I'm not a donating kind of guy. However, if I win the lottery so I have an adequate retirement and a nest egg for my children, consider it donated. John > The following exchange was in response to a Doctrine and Covenants which I am > selling on eBay this week for a very nice family which needs the money more > than they need the book . . . > > Subj: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1419036977 > Date: 03/30/2001 5:42:38 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: RickBook > To: ssperber@bgm-fmj.com > > In a message dated 03/30/2001 5:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ssperber@bgm-fmj.com writes: > > << I am not a Mormon myself--but it seems rather odd that you should be > selling for a profit such a significant religious artifact. Somthing of this > import clearly should be turned over to a museum or the Church of LDS itself. > >> > > Let me suggest that, in this same spirit, you take your most si gnificant > income received in the next several months and donate it to the museum or > religious institution of your choice. Do you have any concept of how many > museums already own an example of this book? Or how many copies line the > shelves of the Church's Historical Department in Salt Lake City? Or how very > easily the Church could afford to buy this book from me if they desired to > add it to their collections? > > Rick Grunder > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bibliographic Laugh for the Day Date: 31 Mar 2001 13:00:36 -0800 I think my response would be, "For the same reason you don't donate your kids to the church." Only books are more important than kids. They don't spit up, talk back, or stay out late at night. I recently wrote to a friend who edits a boating magazine explaining what life is like after selling my boat (a 36' powerboat we had for 12 years in the Sacramento River Delta.) He printed it in the Bay and Delta Yachtsman: "Since we sold Delta Daisy, I've invested a lot more in my book collection. Books have several advantages over boats in that they don't need paint, never rust and seldom rot. You can start them without fail and you don't have to pay rent for space to keep them. But it's tough to sit on the back of a book and watch the river roll by. We miss that." Keith At 11:36 PM 3/30/01 +0000, John Hatch wrote: >I've had people in my ward ask me why I don't donate my collection to the >church. I've >given them pretty much the same answer, but I've also explained that I'm >not a donating >kind of guy. However, if I win the lottery so I have an adequate >retirement and a nest egg >for my children, consider it donated. > >John > > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joe thought it was funny Date: 31 Mar 2001 13:24:26 -0800 Joe responded to my request for a partial copy of Tyler's Mormon Battalion, noting that my acquisition of this book was a rather hilarious incident. Actually Joe recalled my purchase of a different copy of this book than the one I mentioned. I found it through the net at a shop in Kansas somewhere. I called and a woman answered. The conversation went something like this: Me: I'm calling to see if you still have the The History of the Mormon Battalion by Daniel Tyler. She: HEY ARCHIE, DO WE STILL GOT THAT MORMON BOOK? Distant voice: Uhhhhh, yeah. It's still here. She : Yep, we got it. Me: OK. Is it a first edition? She: HEY ARCHIE, IS IT A FIRST EDITION? Distant voice: Hell, I don't know. It looks old. She: Yeah, its a first edition. Me: Could you look at the date and describe the book to me? She: HEY ARCHIE, BRING ME THAT THING Moments pass. She: It says 1881. Looks like a nice book. Me: Is it leather She: Yeah, it has leather on it. You sure are picky! Me: Yeah, I've been told that before. How much do you want. I bought it and it turned out to be a 3/4 leather copy in quite nice shape. I'm not sure of the accuracy of the preceeding but it certainly reflects the tone. keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"