From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kirtland Council Minute Book Date: 01 Aug 2001 18:20:16 -0400 About 5 years ago, Fred Collier published a little book titled _Kirtland Council Minute Book_. I am wondering where else this book has been published before. Anyone heard if it has checked it with the "original?" Where is the original? Church Archives? I noticed that it was limited to 500 copies. --Doug - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay Date: 02 Aug 2001 14:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Although I have never bought or sold anything on ebay, I occassionally browse around there. One interesting part of it is that you can write comments about the seller from the people that have bought from him or her, or comments from people who have sold to a person. What strikes me is that this comments are overwhelmingly positive. In fact, negative comments are almost non-existent. Why is this? It could be that everyone on the list is a very informed buyer or seller and is highly ethical. However, I have heard many stories (and read many descriptions of poorly described items) that lead me to believe this is not true. So what is the reason for the rarity of negative comments and the abundance of positive comments? One other question I have: Why do sellers and buyers not use their real names? Mark Edlund - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay Date: 02 Aug 2001 21:09:52 -0400 One reason for the lack of negative feedback is fear of retaliation. I have only left negative feedback twice (in over 1000 transactions); in both cases there was gross negligence on the part of the other party. There have been about a 20 more that have been borderline where negative feedback was justified but I did not leave it. Over 80 per cent of my dealings on ebay have been positive or very positive; about 15-18 per cent neutral (although I have not left neutral feedback); about 2 per cent negative. Frank Marotta On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:35:10 -0700 (PDT) "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" writes: > Although I have never bought or sold anything on ebay, I > occassionally > browse around there. One interesting part of it is that you can > write > comments about the seller from the people that have bought from him > or > her, or comments from people who have sold to a person. What > strikes me > is that this comments are overwhelmingly positive. In fact, > negative > comments are almost non-existent. Why is this? It could be that > everyone > on the list is a very informed buyer or seller and is highly > ethical. > However, I have heard many stories (and read many descriptions of > poorly > described items) that lead me to believe this is not true. So what > is the > reason for the rarity of negative comments and the abundance of > positive > comments? > > One other question I have: Why do sellers and buyers not use their > real > names? > > Mark Edlund > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay Date: 02 Aug 2001 18:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Frank, I don't understand how they would retaliate. Mark Edlund On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Frank Marotta wrote: > One reason for the lack of negative feedback is fear of retaliation. > > I have only left negative feedback twice (in over 1000 transactions); in > both cases there was gross negligence on the part of the other party. > There have been about a 20 more that have been borderline where negative > feedback was justified but I did not leave it. Over 80 per cent of my > dealings on ebay have been positive or very positive; about 15-18 per > cent neutral (although I have not left neutral feedback); about 2 per > cent negative. > > Frank Marotta > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:35:10 -0700 (PDT) "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" > writes: > > Although I have never bought or sold anything on ebay, I > > occassionally > > browse around there. One interesting part of it is that you can > > write > > comments about the seller from the people that have bought from him > > or > > her, or comments from people who have sold to a person. What > > strikes me > > is that this comments are overwhelmingly positive. In fact, > > negative > > comments are almost non-existent. Why is this? It could be that > > everyone > > on the list is a very informed buyer or seller and is highly > > ethical. > > However, I have heard many stories (and read many descriptions of > > poorly > > described items) that lead me to believe this is not true. So what > > is the > > reason for the rarity of negative comments and the abundance of > > positive > > comments? > > > > One other question I have: Why do sellers and buyers not use their > > real > > names? > > > > Mark Edlund > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > > body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay Date: 02 Aug 2001 21:45:34 -0400 I should have stated it more clearly; retaliation via returning negative feedback. Frank Marotta On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:38:40 -0700 (PDT) "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" writes: > Frank, > I don't understand how they would retaliate. > > Mark Edlund > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Frank Marotta wrote: > > > One reason for the lack of negative feedback is fear of > retaliation. > > > > I have only left negative feedback twice (in over 1000 > transactions); in > > both cases there was gross negligence on the part of the other > party. > > There have been about a 20 more that have been borderline where > negative > > feedback was justified but I did not leave it. Over 80 per cent > of my > > dealings on ebay have been positive or very positive; about 15-18 > per > > cent neutral (although I have not left neutral feedback); about 2 > per > > cent negative. > > > > Frank Marotta > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:35:10 -0700 (PDT) "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" > > writes: > > > Although I have never bought or sold anything on ebay, I > > > occassionally > > > browse around there. One interesting part of it is that you can > > > > write > > > comments about the seller from the people that have bought from > him > > > or > > > her, or comments from people who have sold to a person. What > > > strikes me > > > is that this comments are overwhelmingly positive. In fact, > > > negative > > > comments are almost non-existent. Why is this? It could be > that > > > everyone > > > on the list is a very informed buyer or seller and is highly > > > ethical. > > > However, I have heard many stories (and read many descriptions > of > > > poorly > > > described items) that lead me to believe this is not true. So > what > > > is the > > > reason for the rarity of negative comments and the abundance of > > > positive > > > comments? > > > > > > One other question I have: Why do sellers and buyers not use > their > > > real > > > names? > > > > > > Mark Edlund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > > > body. > > > - For assistance, mail to > "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kirtland Council Minute Book Date: 02 Aug 2001 21:44:11 -0600 Doug, The Kirtland Council Minute Book was published electronically on the New Mormon Studies CD-ROM. I got a copy of Lyndon Cook's typescript several years ago. I am pretty sure that his typescript is the source of both Collier's printed edition, and the electronic edition. He is also the source of the typescript of the Minutes of the High Council of the Church of Jesus Christ of Nauvoo Illinois, which is also on the New Mormon Studies CD. The originals of both of these documents are in the Church archives. Brian Irwin On Wednesday, August 1, 2001, at 04:20 PM, Cahoon_Doug@emc.com wrote: > About 5 years ago, Fred Collier published a little book titled _Kirtland > Council Minute Book_. I am wondering where else this book has been > published > before. Anyone heard if it has checked it with the "original?" Where is > the > original? Church Archives? I noticed that it was limited to 500 copies. > > --Doug > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay Date: 02 Aug 2001 23:57:44 -0600 Mark, My own thinking is that negative feedback is something that warrants serious, gross negligence. Most of the problems I've had can be corrected with a little bit of communication. If something isn't as described I contact the seller. In the case of Ebay, the terms "positive" and "neutral" have different meanings then they might elsewhere. Positive is overwhelmingly the average transaction. Even if someone is a bit slow to pay or takes a while to ship the item, I still usually leave positive feedback. I think this is based on the idea that in the end, I'm happy. Sure I might be a bit annoyed that it took them a few weeks or even a month or more to fulfill their end of the auction, but once they do, all is well. Neutral seems to me to mean a pretty lousy transaction. Something wasn't quite described right but I'm willing to keep it anyway. Someone who was just miserable to work with. I just had one of those. I got my money and they got their book, but they are convinced I was dishonest (I wasn't, and I've never had another complaint in the several hundred transactions I've done). It was extremely unpleasant. I haven't left feedback yet but if I do be assured it will be neutral. Negative feedback means you are completely unhappy with the transaction. You either never got paid or you never got your item. The latter of which is not only bad, it's theft. You usually pay first and then get the item, so if you pay and don't get what you paid for, that's probably the worst that could happen (I've never had or even heard of this happening). I've only left negative feedback once. Buyers and sellers don't use real names for reasons of privacy. Ebay recently made it so that you can't obtain someone's e-mail address either. You fill out a form and then Ebay forwards the message for you. Hope that helps! John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:35 PM > Although I have never bought or sold anything on ebay, I occassionally > browse around there. One interesting part of it is that you can write > comments about the seller from the people that have bought from him or > her, or comments from people who have sold to a person. What strikes me > is that this comments are overwhelmingly positive. In fact, negative > comments are almost non-existent. Why is this? It could be that everyone > on the list is a very informed buyer or seller and is highly ethical. > However, I have heard many stories (and read many descriptions of poorly > described items) that lead me to believe this is not true. So what is the > reason for the rarity of negative comments and the abundance of positive > comments? > > One other question I have: Why do sellers and buyers not use their real > names? > > Mark Edlund > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kirtland Council Minute Book Date: 03 Aug 2001 10:15:15 -0400 Thanks Brian -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:44 PM Doug, The Kirtland Council Minute Book was published electronically on the New Mormon Studies CD-ROM. I got a copy of Lyndon Cook's typescript several years ago. I am pretty sure that his typescript is the source of both Collier's printed edition, and the electronic edition. He is also the source of the typescript of the Minutes of the High Council of the Church of Jesus Christ of Nauvoo Illinois, which is also on the New Mormon Studies CD. The originals of both of these documents are in the Church archives. Brian Irwin - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Good Luck Date: 06 Aug 2001 16:13:59 -0700 Good luck at Sunstone, Keith. Hope you have a great session. I'm sorry I won't be there to participate. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History Date: 08 Aug 2001 13:36:00 -0700 I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of Faith: History of the La Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura F. Willes with Iris Lynn Kindred. It is a wonderfully published book, hard bound about the size of a typical Deseret book and 286 pages in length. Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror Corp. and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in the La Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of another stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the Minneapolis Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the Friend. I understand that Mark Willis may have paid for the printing and they are selling copies at $10 each. Proceeds at this point are going to refurbish a Relief Society Room in one of the Wards in their Stake. Mark left the Times with a golden handshake when it was sold to the Chicago Tribune. He went to BYU and was offered a position at their Business School. Currently, he is Mission President in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the nephew of President Hinckley. I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the Cincinnati Ohio Stake as well. I wonder what other histories there are that are worth having. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History Date: 08 Aug 2001 14:55:29 -0600 On 8 Aug 2001, at 13:36, Steve Eccles wrote: > I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of Faith: History of the > La Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura F. Willes with > Iris Lynn Kindred. > > It is a wonderfully published book, hard bound about the size of a > typical Deseret book and 286 pages in length. > > Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror > Corp. and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in > the La Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of > another stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the > Minneapolis Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the > Friend. > > I understand that Mark Willis may have paid for the printing and they > are selling copies at $10 each. Proceeds at this point are going to > refurbish a Relief Society Room in one of the Wards in their Stake. > > Mark left the Times with a golden handshake when it was sold to the > Chicago Tribune. He went to BYU and was offered a position at their > Business School. Currently, he is Mission President in Honolulu, > Hawaii. He is the nephew of President Hinckley. > > I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the Cincinnati Ohio Stake as > well. > > I wonder what other histories there are that are worth having. I'm not too sure of the "worth having" criterion, but I have one of the Salt Lake Stake, self published, but reasonably nice and the commercially published history of the Los Angeles Stake that came out 10-12 years ago. I'm sure Dean Eborn has a bibliography of published stake histories, if you want to ask. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History Date: 08 Aug 2001 22:33:19 -0700 (PDT) --- Steve Eccles wrote: > I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of > Faith: History of the La > Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura > F. Willes with Iris > Lynn Kindred. > > > I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the > Cincinnati Ohio Stake as well. > > I wonder what other histories there are that are > worth having. > > --Steve I like to get copies of "stake histories" for stakes near where I live or if I happen to find one at a good price. They usually include a brief history of early mormon settlers followed by a history of the stake. I have the following: (all except the last one are in California) 1. Dennis Holland, "Sierra Saints" (El Dorado County & Stake) 2. Chad Orton, "More Faith Than Fear" (Los Angeles Stake) 3. Evelyn Candland, "An Ensign to the Nations" (Oakland Stake) 4. -----, "Sacramento Gold" (Sacramento Stake) 5. Norma Ricketts, "Reflections, A History of the Sacramento Stake" 6. -----, "San Francisco California Stake" 7. John & Mary Nash, "In a Goodly Land" (Modesto, Turlock & Manteca Stakes) 8. Lorin Hansen & Lila Bringhurst, "Let This Be Zion" (Fremont Stake) 9. Lynn Hilton, "The Story of the Salt Lake Stake" I think they are worth having if you are interested in or have lived in an area. Otherwise, there are probably just too many of them. I'd be interested in one for San Bernardino or Gridley. Anyone know if one has been published? Bob Carter Sacramento __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History Date: 08 Aug 2001 22:33:34 -0700 Steve, Thanks for bringing this up. Where could a NoCal-er get a copy of this new stake history? I am also looking for a copy of the Pasadena Stake History. Do you know where I could buy a copy? Joe >I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of Faith: History of the La >Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura F. Willes with Iris >Lynn Kindred. > >It is a wonderfully published book, hard bound about the size of a typical >Deseret book and 286 pages in length. > >Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror Corp. >and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in the La >Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of another >stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the Minneapolis >Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the Friend. > >I understand that Mark Willis may have paid for the printing and they are >selling copies at $10 each. Proceeds at this point are going to refurbish a >Relief Society Room in one of the Wards in their Stake. > >Mark left the Times with a golden handshake when it was sold to the Chicago >Tribune. He went to BYU and was offered a position at their Business >School. >Currently, he is Mission President in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the nephew of >President Hinckley. > >I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the Cincinnati Ohio Stake as well. > >I wonder what other histories there are that are worth having. > >--Steve > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History Date: 08 Aug 2001 16:18:00 -0600 >>> Steve.Eccles2@verizon.net 08/08/01 02:36PM >>> > >Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror = Corp. >and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in the La >Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of another >stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the Minneapolis >Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the Friend. She published the Minnesota Stake history under the (more Utahnic?) name = Fayonne Willes. It's well done (I was going to say "as local history = goes," but it's well done by any standard), and particularly interesting = to those of us who can put faces with the names. I saw a copy at Pioneer = Book in Provo, last time I was in. Factoid: at one time, the presidency of the Minnesota Stake consisted of 3 = General Mills employees: Mark Willes (SP and CEO), Dick Edgley (now known = as Richard C. Edgley of the Presiding Bishopric), and J. Brent Adair (m' = pa). MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zion's Trumpet Date: 12 Aug 2001 19:30:01 -0400 Has anyone seen this volume? Care to comment on content, quality of production, etc.? ZION'S TRUMPET 1849 Welsh Mormon Periodical by Dennis, Ronald D. Provo Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University 2001. AN/AN. Religious Studies Center Specialized Monograph Series; Vol. 15; 8vo; 240+ pp; This volume is a facsimile edition of the twelve issues of Zion's Trumpet that appeared during 1849. The physcial appearance of the Welsh original has been reproduced with similar type fonts that have been slightly enlarged for this English translation. Frank Marotta ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zion's Trumpet Date: 12 Aug 2001 22:24:07 -0700 I haven't yet Frank but it's one I just ordered from Benchmark. Do you know anything about the Specialized Monograph Series? Is this an open ended series or was there an end in mind? I guess the same question applies to the Monograph Series also. Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:30 PM > Has anyone seen this volume? > > Care to comment on content, quality of production, etc.? > > ZION'S TRUMPET 1849 Welsh Mormon Periodical by Dennis, Ronald D. Provo > Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University 2001. AN/AN. Religious > Studies Center Specialized Monograph Series; Vol. 15; 8vo; 240+ pp; This > volume is a facsimile edition of the twelve issues of Zion's Trumpet that > appeared during 1849. The physcial appearance of the Welsh original has > been reproduced with similar type fonts that have been slightly enlarged > for this English translation. > > Frank Marotta - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 13 Aug 2001 20:39:10 -0700 At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz on Mormon book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not magazines, newspapers, or broadsides. Some examples: What was the first Mormon work of fiction? What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? What was the first book of poetry? What was the first book done by an LDS woman? One question not in his quiz puzzles me. What was the first LDS book of photographs? Emerge from lurkdom and take a shot at these. Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 13 Aug 2001 23:39:26 -0700 Is this a test to see if Will Bagley is on this list? If he is, then his answer will be a test to see if Dean Eborn is on the list. Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ ----- Original Message ----- > At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz on Mormon > book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not magazines, > newspapers, or broadsides. > Some examples: > > What was the first Mormon work of fiction? > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries Date: 13 Aug 2001 23:31:33 -0700 I'm trying to collect the Signature Mormon Diaries series and these are the titles I have. Can anyone help with the titles, editors and dates of the ones not listed? No. 1, 2, and 5 are the ones I don't have or know the proper title of. Is no. 8 the last? Thanks, Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ Significant Mormon Diaries Series No. 3 (1989) Letters from Exile The Correspondence of Martha Hughes Cannon and Angus M. Cannon, 1886-1888 CONSTANCE L. LIEBER and JOHN SILLITO, EDITORS No. 4 (1990) Church, State, and Politics The Diaries of John Henry Smith JEAN BICKMORE WHITE, EDITOR No. 6 (1993) A Ministry of Meetings The Apostolic Diaries of Rudger Clawson STAN LARSON, EDITOR No. 7 (1997) In the World The Diaries of Reed Smoot HARVARD S. HEATH, EDITOR No. 8 (1998) Mormon Democrat The Religious and Political Memoirs of James Henry Moyle GENE A. SESSIONS, EDITOR - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries Date: 14 Aug 2001 01:01:41 -0600 Number 8 is the last one in the series so far. Here are the others: No. 1 (1987) An American Prophets Record: The Diaries of Joseph Smith Scott Faulring, Editor No. 2 (1987) On the Potter's Wheel: The Diaries of Heber C. Kimball Stanley B. Kimball, Editor No. 5 (1991) An Intimate Chronicle: The Journals of William Clayton George D. Smith, Editor No one should mistake this list to mean I actually have all of these. I'm still looking for On the Potter's Wheel and Intimate Chronicle. If you've got one for sale, let me know :) John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:31 AM > I'm trying to collect the Signature Mormon Diaries series and these are the > titles I have. Can anyone help with the titles, editors and dates of the > ones not listed? No. 1, 2, and 5 are the ones I don't have or know the > proper title of. Is no. 8 the last? > Thanks, > Albert Gardner > Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ > > Significant Mormon Diaries Series > No. 3 (1989) > Letters from Exile > The Correspondence of Martha Hughes Cannon and Angus M. Cannon, 1886-1888 > CONSTANCE L. LIEBER and > JOHN SILLITO, EDITORS > > No. 4 (1990) > Church, State, and Politics > The Diaries of John Henry Smith > JEAN BICKMORE WHITE, EDITOR > > No. 6 (1993) > A Ministry of Meetings > The Apostolic Diaries of Rudger Clawson > STAN LARSON, EDITOR > > No. 7 (1997) > In the World > The Diaries of Reed Smoot > HARVARD S. HEATH, EDITOR > > No. 8 (1998) > Mormon Democrat > The Religious and Political Memoirs of James Henry Moyle > GENE A. SESSIONS, EDITOR > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries Date: 14 Aug 2001 16:10:03 -0700 Thanks John. I have Kimball's earlier book on Heber - "Heber C. Kimball: Mormon Patriarch and Pioneer" U of Illinois Press, 1981. This biography is good reading, I hope the diaries prove to be as good. Albert Gardner Yuma, Arizona albert.gardner@att.net - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 15 Aug 2001 01:00:18 EDT In a message dated 8/13/01 11:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: << At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz on Mormon book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not magazines, newspapers, or broadsides. Some examples: What was the first Mormon work of fiction? What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? What was the first book of poetry? What was the first book done by an LDS woman? >> My lawnmower broke this afternoon and ADT took all my money to install a security system at the house, required so I can spend another thousand for insurance on the frighteningly expensive Mormon books which keep visiting here on their way to customers' houses. So I can use a little diversion by exploring my own ignorance. Just guesses: First fiction: [can't think, can't think, but Bennett does not count . . .] First foreign was the Danish, 1851 First poetry: Parley P. Pratt, The Millennium, a Poem . . . Boston, 1835 ? First woman's book: Emma Hymnal 1835? - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 16 Aug 2001 07:38:57 -0400 On the fiction, a wild guess: Pratt, Parley - Dialogue between Joe Smith and the Devil, 1845. OK, someone should be able to beat that. Frank Marotta On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:00:18 EDT RickBook@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/13/01 11:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: > > << At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz > on Mormon > book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not > magazines, > newspapers, or broadsides. > > Some examples: > > What was the first Mormon work of fiction? > > What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? > > What was the first book of poetry? > > What was the first book done by an LDS woman? >> > > > My lawnmower broke this afternoon and ADT took all my money to > install a > security system at the house, required so I can spend another > thousand for > insurance on the frighteningly expensive Mormon books which keep > visiting > here on their way to customers' houses. So I can use a little > diversion by > exploring my own ignorance. Just guesses: > > First fiction: [can't think, can't think, but Bennett does not > count . . .] > > First foreign was the Danish, 1851 > > First poetry: Parley P. Pratt, The Millennium, a Poem . . . Boston, > 1835 ? > > First woman's book: Emma Hymnal 1835? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 16 Aug 2001 10:21:07 -0600 Frank Marotta wrote: > On the fiction, a wild guess: > > Pratt, Parley - Dialogue between Joe Smith and the Devil, 1845. > > OK, someone should be able to beat that. > > Frank Marotta > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:00:18 EDT RickBook@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 8/13/01 11:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: > > > > << At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz > > on Mormon > > book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not > > magazines, > > newspapers, or broadsides. > > > > Some examples: > > > > What was the first Mormon work of fiction? > > > > What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? > > > > What was the first book of poetry? > > > > What was the first book done by an LDS woman? >> > > > > > > > First fiction: [can't think, can't think, but Bennett does not > > count . . .] > > > > First foreign was the Danish, 1851 > > > > First poetry: Parley P. Pratt, The Millennium, a Poem . . . Boston, > > 1835 ? > > > > First woman's book: Emma Hymnal 1835? > Wow, I'm impressed! Between Frank and Rick, they got them all right. Now, work on these (from fairly easy to difficult): Which is the first edition of the Book of Mormon to be published in Utah? The first temple expose? First friendly non-Mormon book? The first account of the murders of Joseph & Hyrum Smith? First poetry by a woman? First novel? More to follow. Let's see how you "biblioHolmeses" do. Curt Bench - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 16 Aug 2001 12:01:26 -0600 On 16 Aug 2001, at 10:21, Curt Bench wrote: > Wow, I'm impressed! Between Frank and Rick, they got them all right. > Now, work on these (from fairly easy to difficult): > > Which is the first edition of the Book of Mormon to be published in > Utah? Well, I'm not much good on the rest of them, but this is interesting. The answer depends on what you mean by "published." The "First Utah Edition" of 1871 was the first to be *printed* in Utah, but it used stereotype plates that had been created in England for the 1852 Third European and used thereafter for multiple printings. Then the Orson Pratt revision of 1879, most copies of which bore a Salt Lake imprint, was printed from electrotype plates also made in England. The "Bureau of Information" imprints of 1905 to 1912 or so were actually set and printed in Chicago. The 1920 edition was typeset and printed in Hammond, IN and later printed in Independence, MO. So if "publication" means "edited, typeset and printed" in Salt Lake City, my candidate for the first would be the 1888 Pulpit Edition. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com Sign in a Vienna hotel room: In the event of fire, do your utmost to alarm the porter. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandysbo@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 16 Aug 2001 14:29:21 EDT --part1_c0.19212d21.28ad6b01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an 1874 edition imprinted Salt Lake City. Inscribed by someone "2nd Utah Edition". George Phelps --part1_c0.19212d21.28ad6b01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an 1874 edition imprinted Salt Lake City. Inscribed by someone "2nd
Utah Edition".

George Phelps --part1_c0.19212d21.28ad6b01_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 16 Aug 2001 20:13:30 -0400 On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:07 -0600 "Curt Bench" writes: > The first temple expose? > Let us take a stab at this: Increase Van Deusen's "The Mormon Endowment", 1847. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Curt Bench Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Date: 16 Aug 2001 21:47:24 -0600 Frank Marotta wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:07 -0600 "Curt Bench" > writes: > > > The first temple expose? > > > > Let us take a stab at this: Increase Van Deusen's "The Mormon Endowment", > 1847. > ______________________________________________________________ Yep--bravo again. Curt - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Eugene England Date: 17 Aug 2001 13:44:07 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C12722.AF92F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just heard from Armand Mauss that Eugene England died today. 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McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ebay etc. Date: 18 Aug 2001 15:11:11 -0600 Hi all, I have been a long time posting. But I could not let this one slide by. Here is some Authority selling Selected Manifestations on E-Bay. I have a copy and a suspect many of you do. I have read to book and other than the self andangrisement ) it reminds me of From Heart to Heart) in the foreword etc. the contents have been lifted from other sources. - Nothing much to write home about and really, is it worth the money??? Yes, I suppose I would sell my copy for $800.00 to some dolt whom I never expected to meet again i.e. - the e-bay crowd but look at this fellow hipe on the book: I am particurlary bent at his insistence that this is the "the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books " This guy must really get around or is he just dishonest..... and oh, look who is high bidder so far... Hugh rare Selected Manifestations Reay Mormon 1985 Item # 1455686749 Books:Antiquarian_Rare:Religion Currently $510.00 (reserve not yet met) First bid $1.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 7 bid history Time left 1 days, 20 hours + Location paradise Country USA Started Aug-13-01 11:07:07 PDT mail this auction to a friend Ends Aug-20-01 11:07:07 PDT watch this item | you're watching 10 items Seller (Rating) julianjules (44) view comments in seller's Feedback Profile | view seller's other auctions | ask seller a question High bid leatherbk (61) Payment Money Order/Cashiers Checks. See item description for payment methods accepted Shipping Seller pays for shipping. Seller ships internationally (worldwide). Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item. You should contact the seller to resolve any questions before bidding. Auction currency is U.S. dollars ( $ ) unless otherwise noted. Description *Everyone my reserve is under $850 * <> PLEASE READ ALL THE INFORMATION SO YOU UNDERSTAND <> I was sent countless emails regarding the previous two auction of this book. Questioning the actual rareness or scarcity of it. To which I say; try and find one! You won't and can't. This book is only 16 years old and the fact that none of the dealers in Salt Lake City have one for sale, nor have had one in recent months proves just how scarce this book really is! It is the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books <> * First and only edition Selected Manifestations by David M. & Vonda S. Reay with dust jacket and in MINT condition.<> If your a serious collector than you know what this book is and what it looks like. Printed in 1985 and circulated for around a couple of weeks before the first presidency of the church asked that all copies of the book be removed from bookstores. Very few are now in existance <> book cover and binding is all white, 413 pages including appendix , the dust jacket pictures the father and son in vision standing in the air before adam and eve. there's a back round of white light with the salt lake temple behind the two personages. <> WINNER AGREES TO PAY WITH POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER ONLY ! No personal checks! I WILL ACCEPT PAYPAL.COM [VISA/MASTERCARD] Auction must be paid for within 5 days after it ends.<> ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE EMAIL julianjules00@cs.com thanks. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ebay etc. the edited version Date: 18 Aug 2001 15:14:58 -0600 Hi all, I have been a long time posting. But I could not let this one slide by. Here is some Authority selling Selected Manifestations on E-Bay. I have a copy and a suspect many of you do. I have read the book and other than the self aggrandizement ) it reminds me of From Heart to Heart) in the foreword etc. the contents have been lifted from other sources. - Nothing much to write home about and really, is it worth the money??? Yes, I suppose I would sell my copy for $800.00 to some dolt whom I never expected to meet again i.e. - the e-bay crowd but look at this fellow's hipe on the book: I am particularly bent at his insistence that this is the "the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books " This guy must really get around or is he just dishonest..... and oh, look who is high bidder so far... Hugh rare Selected Manifestations Reay Mormon 1985 Item # 1455686749 Books:Antiquarian_Rare:Religion Currently $510.00 (reserve not yet met) First bid $1.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 7 bid history Time left 1 days, 20 hours + Location paradise Country USA Started Aug-13-01 11:07:07 PDT mail this auction to a friend Ends Aug-20-01 11:07:07 PDT watch this item | you're watching 10 items Seller (Rating) julianjules (44) view comments in seller's Feedback Profile | view seller's other auctions | ask seller a question High bid leatherbk (61) Payment Money Order/Cashiers Checks. See item description for payment methods accepted Shipping Seller pays for shipping. Seller ships internationally (worldwide). Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item. You should contact the seller to resolve any questions before bidding. Auction currency is U.S. dollars ( $ ) unless otherwise noted. Description *Everyone my reserve is under $850 * <> PLEASE READ ALL THE INFORMATION SO YOU UNDERSTAND <> I was sent countless emails regarding the previous two auction of this book. Questioning the actual rareness or scarcity of it. To which I say; try and find one! You won't and can't. This book is only 16 years old and the fact that none of the dealers in Salt Lake City have one for sale, nor have had one in recent months proves just how scarce this book really is! It is the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books <> * First and only edition Selected Manifestations by David M. & Vonda S. Reay with dust jacket and in MINT condition.<> If your a serious collector than you know what this book is and what it looks like. Printed in 1985 and circulated for around a couple of weeks before the first presidency of the church asked that all copies of the book be removed from bookstores. Very few are now in existance <> book cover and binding is all white, 413 pages including appendix , the dust jacket pictures the father and son in vision standing in the air before adam and eve. there's a back round of white light with the salt lake temple behind the two personages. <> WINNER AGREES TO PAY WITH POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER ONLY ! No personal checks! I WILL ACCEPT PAYPAL.COM [VISA/MASTERCARD] Auction must be paid for within 5 days after it ends.<> ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE EMAIL julianjules00@cs.com thanks. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 18 Aug 2001 15:27:30 -0600 Hi all, I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned here. Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 19 Aug 2001 16:10:21 EDT --part1_ab.dee2c35.28b1772d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust jackets or the faux headbands! Could you please give us a primer on how to determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it. Thanks, Brian In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time, hjmckell@xmission.com writes: > Hi all, > > > I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all > they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only > want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a > look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or > two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound > books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a > hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of > Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer > pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, > those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) > will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... > > Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The > Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned > here. > > > Hugh > > > --part1_ab.dee2c35.28b1772d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh,

Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I
am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust
jackets or the faux headbands!  Could you please give us a primer on how to
determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After
all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it.

Thanks,

Brian   

In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:


Hi all,


I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all
they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only
want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself.  Take a
look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or
two.  I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound
books:  Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a
hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of
Joseph Smith among others....  The only salvation as one bookshelfer
pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear,
those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them <g> )
will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase <g>...

Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The
Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which  have been obliquely mentioned
here.


Hugh




--part1_ab.dee2c35.28b1772d_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 19 Aug 2001 16:27:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C128CB.D8103EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much do they save by using the glued binding? --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of BJRom@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:10 PM Hugh, Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust jackets or the faux headbands! Could you please give us a primer on how to determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it. Thanks, Brian In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time, hjmckell@xmission.com writes: Hi all, I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned here. Hugh ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C128CB.D8103EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ho= w much do they save by using the glued = binding?

 

--= Steve

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of BJRom@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, = 2001 1:10 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one......

 

Hugh,

Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I = find I
am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick = dust
jackets or the faux headbands!  Could you please give us a primer = on how to
determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. = After
all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just = opening it.

Thanks,

Brian   

In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:



Hi all,


I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that = all
they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only =
want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. =  Take a
look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year = or
two.  I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect = bound
books:  Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise = thrown in a
hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of =
Joseph Smith among others....  The only salvation as one = bookshelfer
pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, =
those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them = <g> )
will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase <g>...

Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. = The
Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which  have been obliquely = mentioned
here.


Hugh

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C128CB.D8103EE0-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 19 Aug 2001 20:02:08 -0600 At 04:10 PM 8/19/2001 EDT, you wrote: I am no expert - that's why it took me this long to discover it. But the lack of signatures and thread are a sure sign. Most times you can see the glue at the spine just like on the paperbacks if you look closely. and you are right about the damage just by opening the book - if any of you collect the Gibbons Profit < Series look closely at the Heber J. Grant volume. Perfect example. Hugh >>>> arial,helveticaHugh, Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust jackets or the faux headbands! Could you please give us a primer on how to determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it. Thanks, arial,helveticaBrian - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jphatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: As long as I am on one...... Date: 20 Aug 2001 03:09:32 GMT > > Take a > look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or > two. How dare you! Deseret Book would never, ever do such a thing! Well, ok, maybe every once in a while. Unfortunately, I think you touched on the whole problem when you mentioned those of us that want to take care of our books and expect quality production. We're not in the picture anymore - most publishers have little interest in this - it's all about marketing, selling etc. Most of the genres that people actually sit down and read (sci-fi, romance, mystery, etc.) are usually published in wrappers anyway. Non-fiction books like history, biography, etc. are the ones published in hardcover. Since folks who buy these books are used to paying higher prices, publishers can produce lower quality books at less of a cost without decreasing profit margins. And to partially answer the question of how much is saved, I'm not an expert but my guess would be between $2 - $5 a book, depending on the book. If you've got a print run of 10,000 books (which is roughly a typical Deseret Book first print run) you're starting to save big bucks. John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jphatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Ebay etc. the edited version Date: 20 Aug 2001 03:17:27 GMT > Nothing > much to write home about and really, is it worth the money??? Speaking of worth the money, some of the Gibbons bios are starting to approach the $200.00 mark. It seems like there's more and more of these types of books coming around - everybody wants one because everybody else has one. Not much of a question about what's actually in the book. Not that I'm one to fall for such nonsense John (owner of almost all Gibbons bios) - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 20 Aug 2001 14:30:34 -0600 Hugh, I hear that Deseret and its other imprints are either printing books on demand or are moving in that direction. If so, would that explaining the need for perfect binding? Roy Schmidt >>> "Hugh J. McKell" 08/18/01 03:27PM >>> Hi all, I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned here. Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Tribute to Gene England Date: 20 Aug 2001 15:06:51 -0600 "My favorite memory or story about Gene is ..." by Morgan B. Adair Lindon, Utah I heard Gene England lecture many times while I was at BYU (B.A., English, = 1982), and found his books inspiring, but the most vivid memory I have of = him is of a conversation I had with him in February 2000.=20 I collect books--what I refer to as scholarly Mormon books, with an = emphasis on history, biography, and literature. I like to have authors = sign my books, whenever possible. A book represents a connection between = the author and reader. Meeting the author and having them sign their book = makes that connection more personal. I read in the paper that Gene England was speaking at UVSC, a lecture open = to the public. I went, and brought several of Gene's books with me. When I = approached him after the lecture, some of his family members were waiting = to leave with him. He asked them to wait for just a few minutes while he = signed and inscribed my books: Brother Brigham ("May you learn to love Brother Brigham as I do."). Gene = said he talked to Deseret Book about publishing a new edition when the = Church's adult course of study was the teachings of Brigham Young. He was = disappointed that they decided against it. Making Peace ("Best wishes as you try to make peace in the world. = Shalom.")=20 Harvest: Contemporary Mormon Poems ("Enjoy this fine poetry. It is food = for the soul.") Bright Angels and Familiars: Contemporary Mormon Stories ("May you learn = to love all these writers.") An Open World: Essays on Leslie Norris ("With great pleasure at the = prospect of you getting to know Leslie"). Gene's speech that day was on = the poetry of Leslie Norris, and Leslie read some of his poetry. Tending the Garden: Essays on Mormon Literature ("May this help you know = Mormon literary criticism and cultural study better.") I pointed out where = my name appeared in a footnote in the book. Gene circled my name and = wrote, "Way to go, Morgan!" Gene asked some questions about my book collection. I told him that I was = building a library of scholarly books on Mormonism, and that someday I = plan to donate them to a university that is trying to establish a Mormon = Studies program. He asked me to consider UVSC when that day comes. I don't = know if UVSC will carry out what Gene had planned, but I know that the = generation of students that Gene taught will help make it happen somewhere.= As I continue to build my book collection, Gene England's books will have = an honored place, and I'll think of him often. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Quest for the ultimate database Date: 21 Aug 2001 18:22:02 -0600 As I mentioned some months ago, I've been migrating my book data from = Access to Readerware. I admit that I was seduced by a few of Readerware's = sexy features, but as I've gotten to know it better, I've discovered some = warts and personality flaws. I thought at first that I could give myself = completely to Readerware, but I have since discovered that I'm just not a = one-database man. I am currently in an open relationship with three = different databases. Those who are interested in the lurid details may = read on, but I warn you that I will get technical. Readerware's strength is data entry. You can give it an ISBN or a file of = ISBNs, and it will go out to Amazon or B&N.com or a handful of other web = sites, get publication data for the book (and a "thumbnail" graphic of the = book cover, if one is available) and create a new entry in the database. = The latest version has a feature they call "browser integration" that = enables you, when you're browsing Amazon or B&N.com and find a book you = want to buy, to drag the book page URL from the browser window to a little = target icon on the Readerware window. Readerware reads the data from that = page and creates an entry in the database. I previously mentioned = Readerware's support for barcode readers, which is kinda sexy, but I find = I don't actually use it much. Readerware's main weakness is reporting. It generates reports in HTML, and = it only comes with a few simple designs. In my Access database, I could = generate reports of books I own, sorted by author, publisher, or topic. I = could generate want lists sorted by author, publisher, or by a priority = ranking. I could generate a report for insurance purposes that has the = estimated value of each book, with a total at the end. I had a real nice = report design that had a list of book series that I'm collecting, with all = the volumes in the series listed in order, and the volumes that I haven't = purchased yet shaded. So how could I take advantage of Readerware's data entry features and = Access's reporting features? First, I moved all my data from my Access = database to Readerware. When I want to generate a report, I export the = entire database to a comma-delimited file, which is then linked to an = Access database. I can then use all the report designs that I created for = my old Access database. In the process of moving the data into Readerware, I had to deal with = another issue. In Access, you can add an unlimited number of fields to a = database. Readerware has a predefined set of fields, and allows you to add = up to 10 user-defined fields. I added the following fields to my Readerware= database, so that I wouldn't lose any data from my Access database: Volume Number (Readerware has a field for the name of a book series, but = not for the volume number in that series) Edition Printing (Readerware has a check box you can check if the book is a first = edition, but no fields for edition and printing, if you want to track them = beyond that) Purchase Date Purchase Price Purchased From Purchase Priority Flake # ImageFile (more on this field below) Which leaves me one more user-defined field available, should I need it = later. I mentioned that Readerware downloads thumbnail images of book covers when = you capture data from Amazon or B&N.com. It displays these thumbnails on = the book's record view and on some of it's reports, but it doesn't export = these images. I found that Readerware stores these images in .jpg or .gif = files in a subdirectory of the program directory, called [databaseName].rwd= .thumbnails. So when I add a new book entry to my database, if there's a = thumbnail graphic of the book cover available, I enter the name of the = file containing the image in my ImageFile field. (Readerware uses some = kind of hash algorithm to generate names for the image files, so I just = keep this subdirectory sorted by date, and new file entries get put at the = end of the folder listing.) This field gets exported to my Access = database, and I can use it to generate reports that include an image of = book covers. Ok, next problem. Readerware has a Comments field that I use to store = price data, publication data, and other miscellaneous notes about books. = When I export my database to a comma-delimited format, Readerware replaces = all the carriage returns in this field to "&newline;". Also, if any field = has a double quote, Readerware converts it to "&doublequote;". It's a = minor annoyance I could live with, but I found a freeware program called = BK ReplaceEm on Download.com that will search through my comma-delimited = file and replace all the "&newline;"s with carriage returns, and all the = "&doublequote;"s with single quotes (inserting a double quote would mess = up the database, because the comma-delimited format uses double quotes to = enable you to include commas in a field). Okay, so at this point I have the data entry advantages of Readerware and = the reporting advantages of Access. All I have to do is export data from = Readerware to a comma-delimited file, run BK ReplaceEm on the file, then = run Access and generate my reports. Next, I wanted to be able to download my book data to my Palm. Readerware = has a Palm version that costs only $10 extra. I didn't try it when I was = evaluating Readerware, but I thought it would probably be adequate. I was = wrong. The Readerware Palm program is very limited; it only copies a few = fields from the database, and is totally inflexible in how the data is = displayed. Fortunately, I already had a general-purpose Palm database, ThinkDB, that = can import data from a comma-delimited file. It has a hard time with the = amount of data I have in my book database (about 2200 records), so I = export from Readerware to two separate files: one containing books I own, = the other containing books on my want list. I used to carry a 20-page want = list with me when I went book shopping; now I have all that data on my = Palm, plus I have all the data for books I own, so if I happen to run = across a first edition of Brooks' Mountain Meadows Massacre, I can check = to see whether the copy I already have is a first edition. Don't ask how many hours I spent figuring all this out and setting it up. = Now that it's working it doesn't take much time to maintain. Printing a = report takes about two minutes longer than it used to, because now I have = to export data into Access before printing. It takes about 5 minutes to = transfer the database from Readerware to ThinkDB, then another 5 minutes = to download the data to the Palm. It's a small price to pay for the best = of all possible databases. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 21 Aug 2001 19:15:52 -0600 At 02:30 PM 8/20/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Hugh, > >I hear that Deseret and its other imprints are either printing books >on demand or are moving in that direction. If so, would that >explaining the need for perfect binding? > >Roy Schmidt Maybe so. But I have yet to see one of these "print on demand" books . It appears that they will be waiting for a given number of "demand'" before they print! On examining many of my DB books - even many of the limited leather books it appears that there are many that are a variant of the perfect binding. too bad. Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 21 Aug 2001 20:16:33 -0600 > >I hear that Deseret and its other imprints are either printing books > >on demand or are moving in that direction. If so, would that > >explaining the need for perfect binding? > > Deseret Book has indeed begun to do print on demand titles. All of their titles won't be print on demand, however. And I take issue with Hugh's comment about limited leathers - Deseret Book usually goes to a separate bindery for these so that they are higher quality. I'd be interested in hearing which one's he thinks fall in this category - maybe he's right but that goes against everything I've heard. The current print on demand title done right now is "Who's Who in the Doctrine and Covenants". Coming up are some of the following titles: Essentials in Church History The Heavens Resound Joseph Smith's First Vision Eyewitness Accounts of the Restoration Outlines of Ecclesiastical History Harold B. Lee: Man of Vision, Prophet of God George Albert Smith: Kind Caring Christian, Prophet of God David O. McKay: Apostle to the World, Prophet of God Harold B. Lee - Goates ed. There are others (I just can't remember them right now). I see this primarily as a move to fill demand on books that a lot of people want but usually don't care about the quality. I expect to see most, if not all, of the Gibbons biographies released in this manner. I would also expect to see many, many books by General Authorities - particularly deceased prophets. I'm curious, will these print on demand releases lower the value of the hardcover edition, or raise it by increasing demand for a cloth title? John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fwd: Eugene England Memorial Information Date: 24 Aug 2001 11:54:28 -0600 As many of you have likely heard, Eugene England, one of Mormonism's = leading intellectual and spiritual lights, passed away last Friday, August = 17, 2001, following a prolonged illness. Gene was one of the most = influential thinkers and teachers of his generation. He was a scholar, = critic, poet, essayist, editor, and activist. There is scarcely an area of = modern Mormon culture which was not influenced by Gene's incisive mind, = fertile imagination, and Christian service. As one of the founding editors = of Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, as a member of the Sunstone = Board of Directors, as a frequent speaker at conferences and symposia, and = as a gifted teacher, Gene influenced Mormon scholarship, education, and = artistic expression perhaps more than any single individual over the past = three decades.=20 Gene was a loving husband, father, grandfather, and friend. He was a = faithful member of the Church and his deep commitment to the gospel of = Jesus Christ was integral to his teaching, writing, and service. He was a = positive role model for several generations of students whose lives were = inspired by his thoughtful Christianity and imaginative discipleship. A memorial service will be held for Gene at the Provo Tabernacle on = Saturday, August 25, at 1:00 p.m. All who wish to honor Gene are welcome = to attend. The family has requested that in lieu of flowers contributions = be made to the Eugene and Charlotte England Memorial Educational Fund at = any branch of Zions Bank. Those wishing to write personal expressions can = send them to Charlotte England, 1775 Andrus Lane, Provo, UT 84604. See = Salt Lake Tribune obiturary. Please copy and forward this information to any of your email groups or = lists of friends who may be interested in attending Gene's service but = were unaware of the details.=20 See a map to the Tabernacle on www.sunstoneonline.com by going to the = What's New tab and go to the Eugene England memorial information.=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 24 Aug 2001 19:55:32 -0600 At 08:16 PM 8/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:\\ > And I take issue with Hugh's >comment about limited leathers - Deseret Book usually goes to a separate >bindery for these so that they are higher quality. I'd be interested in >hearing which one's he thinks fall in this category - maybe he's right but >that goes against everything I've heard. John, I think you are closer to the 'powers that be' than I and could clarify this question by asking the right persons. I still think that nearly all DB publications (in the past 20 years now) are of lesser quality than smithe sewn bindings - Even all of the limited leathers that they have produced of late. I have examined a whole bunch of my DB limited leathers and have yet to find a thread in any of them.... Please tell me I am old and senile and cannot see diddly. I would greatly appreciate being proved wrong on this subject....... Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Date: 25 Aug 2001 08:22:35 -0600 Hugh, Well, there's no question that you are old, senile, and can't see diddly, but that's a separate issue . No, I think you may be right about many of the leathers. However, I was looking through some of the leathers of Christ and the New Covenant and In the Strength of the Lord because we had some defective ones and all of them that I looked through had stitching. I will check with sources (even though no one tells me anything) and see what I can come up with. John "Hugh J. McKell" wrote: > At 08:16 PM 8/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:\\ > > > And I take issue with Hugh's > >comment about limited leathers - Deseret Book usually goes to a separate > >bindery for these so that they are higher quality. I'd be interested in > >hearing which one's he thinks fall in this category - maybe he's right but > >that goes against everything I've heard. > > John, I think you are closer to the 'powers that be' than I and could > clarify this question by asking the right persons. I still think that > nearly all DB publications (in the past 20 years now) are of lesser quality > than smithe sewn bindings - Even all of the limited leathers that they > have produced of late. I have examined a whole bunch of my DB limited > leathers and have yet to find a thread in any of them.... Please tell me I > am old and senile and cannot see diddly. I would greatly appreciate being > proved wrong on this subject....... > > Hugh > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"