Message

Yeah - not sure what to do. I did not send you any e-mail, and my= aol does not show me sending any (either the online record, or the automati= cally saved record). It must have something do do with my website, som= ehow, and my web guy hasn't answered my question yet - he was quite ill.

I appreciate you letting me know!

Thanks,

Rick

- -------------------------------1076563093-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:47:26 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom - -------------------------------1076564846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Upadate: My website host informs me: "You should be fine. There are two new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you never know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus update should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay." In addition, I find the same information at: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm So if I understand it correctly, I am not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not know the name of the actual sender. Re-scanned the computer last night on the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven snow of LaFayette, NY. Rick - -------------------------------1076564846 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Upadate:

My website host informs me:

"You should be fine. There are t= wo new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you nev= er know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus up= date should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay."=

In addition, I find the same informati= on at:

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm

So if I understand it correctly, I am=20= not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not kn= ow the name of the actual sender.

Re-scanned the computer last night on=20= the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven=20= snow of LaFayette, NY.

Rick

- -------------------------------1076564846-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Eccles Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom - --0-156001114-1076592894=:76894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been getting tons of messages from people I have never heard of, all with the virus. Most have been from Australia e-mail addresses. I am really wondering if people aren't going to get tired of e-mail attacks and decide that they don't need the risk of using the internet and e-mail eventually. Maybe this will force book dealers back into stores?? - --Steve RickBook@aol.com wrote: Upadate: My website host informs me: "You should be fine. There are two new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you never know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus update should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay." In addition, I find the same information at: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm So if I understand it correctly, I am not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not know the name of the actual sender. Re-scanned the computer last night on the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven snow of LaFayette, NY. Rick - --0-156001114-1076592894=:76894 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have been getting tons of messages from people I have never heard of, all with the virus. Most have been from Australia e-mail addresses.

I am really wondering if people aren't going to get tired of e-mail attacks and decide that they don't need the risk of using the internet and e-mail eventually.

Maybe this will force book dealers back into stores??

--Steve

RickBook@aol.com wrote:

Upadate:

My website host informs me:

"You should be fine. There are two new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you never know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus update should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay."

In addition, I find the same information at:

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm

So if I understand it correctly, I am not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not know the name of the actual sender.

Re-scanned the computer last night on the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven snow of LaFayette, NY.

Rick

- --0-156001114-1076592894=:76894-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:22:18 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom - -------------------------------1076602938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/2004 8:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve_eccles@sbcglobal.net writes: Maybe this will force book dealers back into stores?? But are there enough store/dealer-oriented customers remaining? A dying species is hard to rescue from the brink of extinction. RickBook - -------------------------------1076602938 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/12/2004 8:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve_ec= cles@sbcglobal.net writes:

Maybe this will force book dealers back into s= tores??

But are there enough store/dealer-oriented customers remaining? A= dying species is hard to rescue from the brink of extinction.

RickBook

- -------------------------------1076602938-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:02:00 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3F179.2AA9E520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gad! First I was young and callow, Then old and decrepit, Now not only am I dying but my species is on the verge of extinction! Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary Yuma, Arizona - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3F179.2AA9E520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gad!

First I was young and callow,

Then old and decrepit,

Now not only am I dying

but my species is on the verge of extinction!

Albert Gardner

Yuma Territorial Penitentiary

Yuma, Arizona

- ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C3F179.2AA9E520-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:36:35 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookstore folks - -------------------------------1076625395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/2004 5:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, spudnut@worldnet.att.net writes: Gad! First I was young and callow, Then old and decrepit, Now not only am I dying but my species is on the verge of extinction! Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary Yuma, Arizona Rare, like the books you read, but not quite extinct. RG - -------------------------------1076625395 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/12/2004 5:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, spudnut@= worldnet.att.net writes:

Gad!

First I was young and callow,

Then old and decrepit,

Now not only am I dying

but my species is on the verge of exti= nction!

Albert Gardner

Yuma Territorial Penitentiary

Yuma, Arizona

Rare, like the books you read, but not quite extinct.

- -------------------------------1076625395-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:02:03 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always - -------------------------------1078023722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating on eBay under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for an absurdly high price . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3591201365&category=29220 I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS seems to have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism. Yuck, RickBook - -------------------------------1078023722 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating on eBay u= nder a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following it= em has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, detailed= description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for an absu= rdly high price . . .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&= amp;item=3D3591201365&category=3D29220

I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS see= ms to have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism.

Yuck,

RickBook

- -------------------------------1078023722-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:42:10 -0700 From: "Malcolm Vickery" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3FE43.B8B772C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know what you mean Rick, Look at this one here:- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3589683519 He has my description and even a photo that I used. That's MY hand in that picture - dang it!! I had a friend at Ebay spot it for me and advise that I report it. This is the URL where he suggested I report it. http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-image-text-theft.html Not sure whether it'll do any good... Best! Malcolm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 8:02 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating on eBay under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for an absurdly high price . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3591201365&category=29220 I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS seems to have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism. Yuck, RickBook - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3FE43.B8B772C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I know what you mean = Rick,

Look at this one = here:-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3589683519

He has my description and even a = photo that=20 I used.

That's MY hand in that = picture - dang=20 it!!

I had a friend at Ebay spot it for = me and=20 advise that I report it.

This is the URL where he suggested = I report=20 it.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-image-text-theft.html

Not sure whether it'll do any=20 good...

Best!

Malcolm

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of=20 RickBook@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 8:02=20 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always

Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating on = eBay=20 under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the = following=20 item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, = detailed=20 description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for an = absurdly high price . . .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am= p;item=3D3591201365&category=3D29220

I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling = BOOKS seems=20 to have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism.

Yuck,

RickBook

- ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C3FE43.B8B772C0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:42:46 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always - -------------------------------1078072966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:41:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, malcolm@distinctivebooks.com writes: I know what you mean Rick, Look at this one here:- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3589683519 He has my description and even a photo that I used. That's MY hand in that picture - dang it!! Ah, yes, I recognize the picture. Clearly, that is blatant misrepresentation of the product which this other party is selling (if, indeed, they even HAVE a product at all, i.e., the book). It is scarcely possible for two copies of a book of this age to be in identical condition, so the buyer will not get what they see in the stolen picture of your copy. eBay's limit of 45 characters in the title of a presentation leads to interesting phrases. I have come up with a few creative ones myself. The title of the pirated presentation, "ExRare 1st Edn!! Talmage House of Lord Mormon" creates a delicious "Star Wars" sort of imagery. The "House of Lord Mormon" undoubtedly governs some distant planet with an iron - if just - hand. It is a place of endless war and occasional repentance. Rick - -------------------------------1078072966 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:41:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, malcolm= @distinctivebooks.com writes:

I know wha= t you mean Rick,

Look at th= is one here:-

http:/= /cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3589683519

He has my=20= description and even a photo that I used.

That's&nbs= p;MY hand in that picture - dang it!!

Ah, yes, I recognize the picture. Clearly, that is blatant misrep= resentation of the product which this other party is selling (if, indeed, th= ey even HAVE a product at all, i.e., the book). It is scarcely possibl= e for two copies of a book of this age to be in identical condition, so the=20= buyer will not get what they see in the stolen picture of your copy.

eBay's limit of 45 characters in the title of a presentation leads to i= nteresting phrases. I have come up with a few creative ones myself.&nb= sp; The title of the pirated presentation,

"ExRare 1st Edn!! Talmage House of Lord Mormon"<= /FONT>

creates a delicious "Star Wars" sort of imagery. The "House of Lo= rd Mormon" undoubtedly governs some distant planet with an iron - if just -=20= hand. It is a place of endless war and occasional repentance.

Rick

- -------------------------------1078072966-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:06:38 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always - -------------------------------1078157198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting update. On February 28, I wrote the following: <> ____________________________ I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's description: "Descriptions on Ebay are public domain and can be copied unless otherwise noted as copyrighted. Welcome to America! If you have questions about the book for sale by auction feel free to email. Emails of people complaining with nothing productive to say will be ignored. I am only saying this because I have received several spam emails recently." My complaint e-mail to that party was straightforward, but succinct and dispassionate. I have now lodged an equally succinct and dispassionate complaint to eBay through the eBay image/text theft page link which Malcolm thoughtfully provided in his response to the Shelf. It will be interesting to see if eBay takes any action in my favor. RG - -------------------------------1078157198 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An interesting update. On February 28, I wrote the following:

<<Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating o= n eBay under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the foll= owing item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy,=20= detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for= an absurdly high price . . .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eB= ayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3591201365&category=3D29220

I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS see= ms to have no concept of the unacceptablility [sic] of plagiarism.

Yuck,

RickBook>>

____________________________

I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's descr= iption:

"Descriptions on Ebay are public= domain and can be copied unless otherwise noted as copyrighted. Welcome to=20= America! If you have questions about the book for sale by auction feel free=20= to email. Emails of people complaining with nothing productive to say will b= e ignored. I am only saying this because I have received several spam emails= recently."

My complaint e-mail to that party was straightforward, but succinct and= dispassionate. I have now lodged an equally succinct and dispassionat= e complaint to eBay through the eBay image/text theft page link which Malcol= m thoughtfully provided in his response to the Shelf. It will be inter= esting to see if eBay takes any action in my favor.

- -------------------------------1078157198-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:06:11 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always Rick, If you register with ebay under their copyright program (VERO) you can shut down auctions like these for plagarism. Ken RickBook@aol.com wrote: > An interesting update. On February 28, I wrote the following: > > < under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following > item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, > detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold > for an absurdly high price . . . > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3591201365&category=29220 > > > I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS > seems to have no concept of the unacceptablility [sic] of plagiarism. > > Yuck, > > RickBook>> > ____________________________ > > > I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's > description: > > "*Descriptions on Ebay are public domain and can be copied unless > otherwise noted as copyrighted. Welcome to America! If you have > questions about the book for sale by auction feel free to email. Emails > of people complaining with nothing productive to say will be ignored. I > am only saying this because I have received several spam emails recently.*" > > My complaint e-mail to that party was straightforward, but succinct and > dispassionate. I have now lodged an equally succinct and dispassionate > complaint to eBay through the eBay image/text theft page link which > Malcolm thoughtfully provided in his response to the Shelf. It will be > interesting to see if eBay takes any action in my favor. > > RG > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #977 ***********************************