From: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-yw-digest) To: lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-yw-digest V1 #44 Reply-To: lds-yw-digest Sender: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-yw-digest Sunday, May 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 044 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 07:50:07 -0500 From: ward-french@juno.com (judy m ward) Subject: (lds-yw) camp Only the 4th year and above girls go to camp on Monday and Family Home Evening is presented by the stake. We are leaving right after breakfast on Friday. Usually breakfast is right after testimony meeting. Congradulate us!!!!!!!! We were made a Ward today. Also!!!!!!!Help!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got called by the new 1st counselor and asked to speak next Sunday about why subscribing to the church magazines is important. This is supposed to be done in all our units. Maybe a stake thing, I don't know. But do you have any ideas or stories about how the magazines have benefitted you or someone you know??? Thanks in advance. Judy Arkansas _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:58:20 -0800 From: "Dan Rostrom" Subject: (lds-yw) Personal Progress This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD81BD.60DDE9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here I am again wanting to pick your brains. Wanting to take take take. = I am ever in search of inspirational thoughts, ideas and motivaters = for our yw. This week I have started the candy in a can idea. They = seem excited over the idea. What I do in our opening excercises is to = get up for a few minutes and say something to get them thinking and = going on PP. Any little cute ideas would be wonderful. Thank you....I = think you're all wonderful and if you need to feel needed, please move = here to Ketchikan Alaska.....We would love you to pieces!! And probably = overwork you!! Kay - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD81BD.60DDE9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here I = am again=20 wanting to pick your brains. Wanting to take take take. I am = ever in=20 search of inspirational thoughts, ideas and motivaters for our = yw. =20 This week I have started the candy in a can idea. They seem = excited over=20 the idea. What I do in our opening excercises is to get up for a = few=20 minutes and say something to get them thinking and going on PP. = Any little=20 cute ideas would be wonderful. Thank you....I think you're all = wonderful=20 and if you need to feel needed, please move here to Ketchikan = Alaska.....We=20 would love you to pieces!! And probably overwork you!! =20 Kay

- ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD81BD.60DDE9C0-- - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:04:39 -0800 From: "Dan Rostrom" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) camp Congratulations Judy on becoming a ward!!!! We were made a ward a couple years ago after wanting to be for YEARS and being turned down because of geography. We live on an island and there are other little islands all around us. Junuea is 200 or so miles away and that is where are stake presidency lives. That may not seem that far but they have to fly everywhere because of all the islands. We have to fly our kids to youth camp, youth conference, Etc. It's very expensive but it's worth it. It's been a great blessing. - -----Original Message----- From: judy m ward To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 5:55 PM Subject: (lds-yw) camp >Only the 4th year and above girls go to camp on Monday and Family Home >Evening is presented by the stake. We are leaving right after breakfast >on Friday. Usually breakfast is right after testimony meeting. > > >Congradulate us!!!!!!!! We were made a Ward today. > > >Also!!!!!!!Help!!!!!!!!!!!! >I just got called by the new 1st counselor and asked to speak next Sunday >about why subscribing to the church magazines is important. This is >supposed to be done in all our units. Maybe a stake thing, I don't know. > But do you have any ideas or stories about how the magazines have >benefitted you or someone you know??? > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Judy >Arkansas > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:06:29 -0700 From: Greg & Mary Ann Stephens Subject: Re: (lds-yw)Seventeen Rules for Celestial Dating I found this on the parents list and thought you would enjoy it. Mary Ann from Texas Subject: [PARENTS] Seventeen Rules for Celestial Dating pt. 1 11. ATTEND ONLY WHOLESOME ACTIVITIES. "X", "R", and most "PG-13" and "PG" rated movies are NOT appropriate to see on dates or at any time. President Kimball advises us that, "=85 danger spots likely to have most appeal among the youth, and which should be shunned as one would shun a poisonous serpent, are undesirable movies and improper TV programs." I have had many Church members (young and old) tell me that they just "overlook" the filth in a movie and not let it affect them adversely. That=92s IMMPOSSIBLE! You cannot go to a movie or to any entertainment which portrays sexual, violent or verbal pornographic material, as do most movies today, and not be affected and spiritually hurt. It affects you whether you like it or not! In fact, if you find that this kind of material does not offend you, then this is a sure sign that you have already been spiritually damaged in your life and don=92t even know it. We should avoid drive-in movies for dates. President Kimball, in talking of drive-in movies, said the following: "There in the car, in dark privacy, with suggestive, voluptuous acting on the screen, was Satan=92s near-perfect setting for sin. With outward appearances of decency and respectability, with an absence of holy immoral acts - acts which would at least be much less likely in the living room or in the formal theater on Main Street." Further, if you find yourself at a party where alcoholic beverages are being served, where the lighting is poor, where couples are making out in the corners, where drugs are being used, or anything else not conducive to maintaining the spirit, LEAVE! When you are at dances be careful of your posture on slow dances (NO BEAR HUGGING AT ALL even though everyone else [Mormon=92s included] are doing it), and be careful of your intimations on fast dances. Now, please never go to bars - even just to dance or listen to the music. If you frequent bars, you will fall into serious transgressions. I HAVE YET TO FIND AN EXCEPTION TO THAT STATEMENT. (Quotes in order: The Miracle of Forgiveness p. 229; Ibid, p. 225 NOTE TO PARENTS: You would be horrified to observe the Satanic, evil atmosphere at the Rock Concerts some of our young people are attending, Be aware of this and the environment that is associated with your children=92s other activities. Don=92t assume anything. If your child i= s invited to a party at a friend=92s home, don=92t "assume" it will be chaperoned. Talk to the parents, so you know it will be. (By the way, just because parents are home doesn=92t mean they are "chaperoning". There are too many parties where parents are upstairs watching TV while the young people are in a dark basement dancing and making out in the corners!) Don=92t assume that the video movie at the Sunday School part= y will be appropriate =96 know what is going to be shown before you accept the invitation. When your children leave your home, you should always know where they are going, who they will be with, where you can contact them if necessary, and when you can expect them back! 12. NO IMMODEST DRESS. Dress that is modest and becoming an LDS young man or young lady is most important at all times and is most important when dating. Girls, immodest clothing includes two-piece swimming suits or ones with low necklines and french-cut sides, halter tops, short shorts, tight-fitting clothes, short skirts, low necklines, etc. Boys, keep your shirts on and buttoned up! (Even in the summer) President Kimball tells us that those who do not actively resist the evil influence of immodesty will "absorb and foster it." He goes on to say, "I see some of our LDS mothers, wives, and daughters wearing dresses extreme and suggestive in style. Even some fathers encourage it. I wonder if our sisters realize the temptation they are flaunting before men when they leave their bodies partly uncovered or dress in tight - - -fitting, body-revealing, form-fitting sweaters =85 We cannot overemphasize immodesty as one of the pitfalls to be avoided if we would shun temptation and keep ourselves clean." On occasions, I have found young ladies who wore things which were immodest and did not realize it. ALL looked well in the mirror as they stood there with shoulders back and standing up straight. What they did not realize is that they don=92t stand straight all day - they sit, they stoop, they lean over, an= d their clothes become immodest. Make sure all of your clothing is modest for all occasions. One of the most disappointing times I had a s a Bishop was when I took the ward members swimming and saw the immodest suits the girls wore. After that occasion, I had to announce for the girls to wear a T-shirt over their suits at future ward parties. How unfortunate that any LDS girl would own a swimming suit that she could not use for LDS functions. Girls, as hard as it may be, search until you can find a modest swimming suit or make your own! (Quote: The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 226.) 13. DATE IN COUPLES OR GROUPS MOST OFTEN. Even after the age of 18, it is desirable to date in couples or groups. Dating in groups is not only safer, but you will find that it is much more enjoyable. You will also get to know things about your date that you could not find out any other way because with more people, there is naturally more conversation. As we get older, we tend to think that we are "above" group dating. This is a serious error. Do not make single dating the largest portion of your dating. Sometimes when we start to like someone quite a bit, we tend to single date almost exclusively . . . this is a dangerous mistake. 14. NO LATE HOURS. We should be in from our dates by 12:30 (college age) and 12:00 (high school age) or sooner. Most proper functions will end in time for you to go straight home and be in on time. Do not make it a habit to be out late or up late for that matter. Not all moral problems occur late at night, but many, many do! When we are tired and have become more relaxed with each other through the evening, it is very easy to let down our guard . . . that is all Satan needs. Resistance seems to be lower at night, so make it a habit to be in early from your dates. THIS DOES NOT MEAN that if you go to one of your homes you can stay up longer than this hour. You both should be at your respective hoes at this time. NOTE TO PARENTS: You would be shocked to know the number of your young people that I have talked to that lost their virtue in their own front room, or family room, or bedroom, while their parents were home, but asleep in their own bedroom or in another part of the house. WAIT UP until your children come home from their dates. This is a great time to talk with them and to sense how the evening went. They could never come home with alcohol or other substance on their breath without your knowing, if you waited up for them. Also, when the young people are at your home, chaperone them. Don=92t let a young couple go to parts of the home for long periods of time. 15. EACH PARTNER SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS. Dating is a two-way arrangement. You are each responsible for your own actions. Never allow another person to control your actions. Never say to yourself, "this young man or woman is so good that they could never do anything wrong. Whatever they would do would be okay." Anyone can make errors. You must have firmly planted in your mind right from wrong, and do not let ANYONE talk you into anything that would not meet the Savior=92s approval. Know exactly what you are going to do on a date before you go. To go on a date without a plan may sound harmless, or even exciting, but it can lead to trouble very easily. 16. DISCUSS DATING RULES WITH PARTNERS. As you date, especially with those you really like, discuss these rules and your standards so that you each understand what you expect from yourself and your relationship with each other. Set the stops now while your minds are clear and unhampered by emotions. It is virtually impossible to set them in the middle of a passion - filled night. If a dating partner is not willing to follow these rules or thinks they are too strict, DROP THEM FLAT! Never let your standards relax . . . even for what may seem to be the best young man or woman you have ever known! If you want the help of the Lord and his blessings, follow his counsel. 17. DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION TO THESE RULES. Don=92t say to yourself, "Boy do I know so-and-so who needs these rules." The rules are for you! To think that it could never happen to you is a major error of gigantic proportions. IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU. It can happen to you, to Bishops, to stake Presidents or anyone who places themselves in such a position. Rules are for everyone. I remember clearly a visiting general authority counseling the bishops in my stake to never interview a woman in the ward alone in the building, and to not give women or young ladies rides somewhere alone. Why are there rules for bishops? Because they too can fall! I believe that, and I followed that advice. On cold winter days, after interviewing a young lady in the Institute building, I would drive back to work and pass her on the road as she walked back to the dorm. RULES ARE FOR EVERYONE. Don=92t ever think, "Oh, I would never do that so it is okay if I go into an apartment alone, or park, or whatever." This is an open invitation to Satan to prove you wrong! And, he will! The biggest error of all is to think that you are an exception to one of these rules. Now these are not all of the rules we might follow in dating. If you have good parents, they may have similar or other rules like these. They may limit the number of dates you have in a month, or require that you go out with a variety of partners rather than not just one. But, I have never talked to a young person yet who has committed a moral transgression of ANY kind who has not broken several of these rules. Remember, breaking these rules interferes with Celestial Dating and falling in love. They DO NOT bind you down, but rather free you from the things that cause countless heartaches. . . things that have contributed to many a Celestial candidate falling to a lower kingdom. By: President Steven H. and Anita Satterfield, Pocatello, Idaho - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:14:23 -0700 From: Greg & Mary Ann Stephens Subject: Re: (lds-yw)Seventeen Rules for Celestial Dating Subject: [PARENTS] Seventeen Rules for Celestial Dating pt. 1 Seventeen Rules For Celestial Dating 1. No dating until age 16; no single dating until 18. 2. Missions for boys before serious dating. 3. Do not date nonmembers or unworthy members. 4. Do not participate in kissing-hugging sessions. 5. No French kissing. 6. Do not park. 7. Never, never go into a home or an apartment alone. 8. Never, never go into a bedroom. 9. No back rubs. 10. Do not lie down by each other or on top of each other. 11. Attend only wholesome activities. 12. No immodest dress. 13. Date in couples or groups most often. 14. No late hours. 15. Each partner should be responsible for his own actions. 16. Discuss dating rules with partners. 17. Do not think that you are the exception. Celestial Dating "Listening to the Words of the Prophets" Preface to parents and young adults: David of old, choice in the sight of God, allowed his eternal soul to fall into the depths of hell. Can we say that God has been with us as much as He was with David in his youth? Can we claim the faith in God that David showed? Yet, David fell! We can fall too, no matter how choice we are. To fail to understand that is to have fallen prey to one of Satan=92s biggest lies. Why did David Fall? He failed to obey his God. In doing this he physically placed himself in a position which could allow sin to strike. Had David turned away his head and not invited Bathsheba to his home, he likely would be exalted today. I have looked into the tear-filled, sorrowful eyes of too many good latter-day saint youth involved in moral transgressions not to know how easy it is to fall. I have asked myself time and time again why some fall and others do not. Surely such a question would require a very complicated answer. Yet, after many hundreds of hours of interviews, it became obvious that those who had fallen into transgression, had simply made some common errors. Time after time, physical surroundings., circumstances, and activities were all repeated, and all seemed to set the stage for sin to seize young lives. Bitterness, regret, sorrow, and a feeling of despair quickly replaced excitement and enthusiasm. The message of the following rules is plain and simple: You CAN and must be the one to control your life in order to be free from sin. Where you are, who you are with, where you are going, what you are doing, and what time you are doing it, are all controlled by you, and will help or hinder you. Heber J. Grant on one occasion said, "=85there is no true Latter-Day Sain= t who would not rather bury a son or daughter that to have him or her lose his or her chastity . . . realizing that chastity is or more value than anything else in all the world." The world does not believe this statement of a prophet. Do you? Following many interviews, it became apparent, that the key to maintaining moral chastity was in preventive action. President Kimball put it this way: "The secret of the good life is in protection and prevention. Those who yield to evil are usually those who have placed themselves in a vulnerable position." To help substantiate what I have written, I have used many quotes from President Kimball, but much of the counsel comes from hours of interviews with young people. To follow these rules will require humility and spiritual strength added to a desire to be valiant. Prayer, scripture study, church attendance and giving service to others are all necessary prerequisites to having the strength to follow the counsel. These rules are strict, but, make no mistake, so is the Lord strict! The rewards of a chaste live are far greater than the sacrifices necessary to follow this counsel. There is hardly anything greater to assist you in obtaining the Celestial Kingdom than to be worthy to marry the right person a t the proper time in you life, in the Temple. RULES FOR CELESTIAL DATING: 1. NO DATING UNTIL AGE 16. President Kimball tells us, "Any dating = or pairing off in social contacts should be postponed until at least the age of 16 or older, and even then there should be much judgement used in selections and in the seriousness." President Kimball goes on to counsel us that beginning the dating process too soon almost always brings young immature marriages or immorality and sin. He says that early dating is often done with parental approval, "yet it is near criminal to subject a tender child to the temptations of maturity." Remember, NO STEADY DATING until after missions. It is an excellent idea to double or group date for most of your dating until at least the age of 18. (Quotes in order: Ensign Feb. 1975, p. 4: Miracle of Forgiveness p. 223) NOTE TO PARENTS: Don=92t innocently apply "parent pressure" to your youn= g people to disobey counsel by encouraging them to date by attending special dances before age 16. We are dealing with a principle of obedience here. President Kimball does NOT qualify his counsel by saying. "Don=92t date until you are 16 . . . unless you are a mature 15 . . . or, unless your parents approve of the kind of young man or lady . . . or, unless you will be missing the Sophomore Prom." 2. MISSIONS BEFORE SERIOUS DATING. President Kimball advises, "Every boy should have been saving money for his mission and be free from any and all entanglements so he will be worthy. When he is returned from his mission at 21, he should feel free to begin to get acquainted and to date." He tells us further that, ". . . one can have all the blessings if he is in control and takes the experiences in proper turn, first some limited social get-acquainted contacts, then his mission, then his courting, then his temple marriage and his schooling and his family, then his life=92s work," A word to you young ladies of the church: You should always encourage a young man to fulfill his mission. NEVER be the cause of a young man deciding to stay home for any reason, for you will be held accountable! Missions for young men of the church supersede marriage in importance from ages 19 to 25 (mission age). (Quotes: Ensign, Feb. 1975, p. 4 3. DO NOT DATE NONMENBERS OR UNWORTHY MEMBERS. NO MISSIONARY WORK ONE-ON-ONE WITH MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX. I do not believe that the Lord would expect the choice young people of His Church to find their eternal mates among nonmembers or inactive members! It does not make sense. He would not ask us to go against both His Counsel through the ages or against the counsel of his prophets. President Kimball tells us, : . . . clearly, right marriage begins with right dating . . . therefore, this warning comes with great emphasis. DO NOT take the chance of dating nonmembers, or members who are untrained and faithless.: Do not rationalize this by saying that you are doing missionary work. The Lord does not instruct us to do missionary work in romantic relationships. This kind of friendshipping should be done in groups. Missionary work must be done without hazard of emotional romantic involvement that leads to conditions which confuse the potential candidate as to his purpose in investigating or joining the Church, I am quite aware that we have faithful members of the Church who have joined as a result of exposure to the Church by their spouse. We are grateful for them; however, for every success story, there are numerous tragic stories of members and nonmembers alike being hurt by such, Have the faith to follow the prophet in this most important matter, (Quote: The Miracle of Forgiveness p. 241) 4. DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN "KISSING-HUGGING" SESSIONS This is called "making out" or "necking". I am not talking about the serious sin of "petting", but the lengthy make-out sessions that many feel are "okay" as long as you do not let it go too far. President Kimball teaches us, " . . . among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, pregnancy, and abortions---all ugly sins---but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils . . . ". Necking or making out, the kissing hugging session, is wrong IN AND OF ITSELF, not just because it may lead to something worse, I am not saying that there isn=92t a proper time in dating relationship to kiss. There is a proper time and place. President Kimball advises us, " . . . kissing would be saved at least until these later hallowed courtship days when they could be free from sex and have holy meaning." In and address delivered to RETURNED MISSIONARIES (not high school-aged people, but those in the courting years), President Kimball said, " . . . a kiss is an evidence of affection. A kiss is an evidence of love, not an evidence of lust---but it can be. Don=92t ever let a kiss in your courtship spell lust. Neckin= g and petting are lustful; they are not love . . . I don=92t mind your kissing each other after you have had several dates; [remember who he is speaking to here], but not the =91Hollywood kiss,=92 not the kiss of passion, but the kiss of affection, and there won=92t be any trouble. No= w remember these things." (Quotes in order: The Miracle of Forgiveness p. 65, Ibid; p. 231; An address delivered by Elder Spencer Kimball Jan. 2, 1959.) 5. NO FRENCH KISSING. This type of conduct is far too intimate and is extremely suggestive. A French kiss is the "Hollywood" kiss that President Kimball described above. 6. DO NOT PARK. Especially in the high school years, parking in an automobile has been the down fall of many choice young people. The prophet, President Kimball, tells us that, " in interviewing repenting young folks, as well as some older ones, I am frequently told that the couple met their defeat in the dark, at late hours, in secluded areas =85 the car was most often the confessed seat of the difficulty, It became their brothel." BEWARE Often I have found that a couple originally parked to discuss a problem or work out an argument=97not to make out=97however, after the problem was resolved, they kissed to make-up and things developed from there. It does not matter the reason; DO NOT PARK. After a date, GO HOME! Once you get home, go into the house, ALONE! Just don=92t ever place yourself where something could happen. Remember President Kimball=92s statement, " . . . those who yield to evil are usually those who have placed themselves in a vulnerable position." 7. NEVER, NEVER GO INTO A HOME OR AN APARTMENT ALONE. I estimate that 80% to 85% of the young people I interviewed, who were involved in a moral transgression of any sort, got involved in a home or an apartment. This is especially true of college age members who have their own apartments. If you would live just this one rule ALWAYS, you would significantly reduce your chances of ever falling. If you are in a home or apartment with others and they slowly all leave except for you and your partner, then ONE OF YOU should leave at tat time also! DO NOT underestimate the power of Satan to use your natural drives, if you place yourself in a vulnerable position enough times YOU WILL FALL. Don=92t give Satan a chance . . . that is all he needs! 8. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GO INTO A BEDROOM. Bedrooms are not for entertaining friends of the opposite sex; not even to listen to records, watch TV, do homework or etc. Do not let a bedroom become a familiar place to be with members of the opposite sex. 9. NO BACK RUBS. Becoming too familiar with each other physically offers liberties NOT entitled to single couples, and is wrong. Back rubs hove too often led to more intimate acts. 10. DO NOT LIE DOWN BY EACH OTHER OR ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. I=92m sorry to have to be so blunt, but lying down to watch TV, lying down in the park, on the beach or wherever, places you in a position that is not needed and is spiritually unhealthy. When you watch TV, SIT UP! When you go on a picnic. Sit up! When you have a good night kiss (at the proper time in a relationship) don=92t recline to do it. ALSO, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER lie on top of each other. This is absolutely wrong. And, this advise applies to all young people - especially engaged couples. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:07:49 -0700 From: Greg & Mary Ann Stephens Subject: (lds-yw) individual worth and gratitude Back in the fifteenth century, in a tiny village near Nuremberg, lived a family with eighteen children. Eighteen! In order merely to keep food on the table for this mob, the father and head of the household, a goldsmith by profession, worked almost eighteen hours a day at his trade and any other paying chore he could find in the neighborhood. Despite their seemingly hopeless condition, two of Albrecht Durer the Elder's children had a dream. They both wanted to pursue their talent for art, but they knew full well that their father would never be financially able to send either of them to Nuremberg to study at the Academy. After many long discussions at night in their crowded bed, the two boys finally worked out a pact. They would toss a coin. The loser would go down into the nearby mines and, with his earnings, support his brother while he attended the academy. Then, when that brother who won the toss completed his studies, in four years, he would support the other brother at the academy, either with sales of his artwork or, if necessary, also by laboring in the mines. They tossed a coin on a Sunday morning after church. Albrecht Durer won the toss and went off to Nuremberg. Albert went down into the dangerous mines and, for the next four years, financed his brother, whose work at the academy was almost an immediate sensation. Albrecht's etchings, his woodcuts, and his oils were far better than those of most of his professors, and by the time he graduated, he was beginning to earn considerable fees for his commissioned works. When the young artist returned to his village, the Durer family held a festive dinner on their lawn to celebrate Albrecht's triumphant homecoming. After a long and memorable meal, punctuated with music and laughter, Albrecht rose from his honored position at the head of the table to drink a toast to his beloved brother for the years of sacrifice that had enabled Albrecht to fulfill his ambition. His closing words were, "And now, Albert, blessed brother of mine, now it is your turn. Now you can go to Nuremberg to pursue your dream, and I will take care of you." All heads turned in eager expectation to the far end of the table where Albert sat, tears streaming down his pale face, shaking his lowered head from side to side while he sobbed and repeated, over and over, "No ...no ...no ...no." Finally, Albert rose and wiped the tears from his cheeks. He glanced down the long table at the faces he loved, and then, holding his hands close to his right cheek, he said softly, "No, brother. I cannot go to Nuremberg. It is too late for me. Look ... look what four years in the mines have done to my hands! The bones in every finger have been smashed at least once, and lately I have been suffering from arthritis so badly in my right hand that I cannot even hold a glass to return your toast, much less make delicate lines on parchment or canvas with a pen or a brush. No, brother ... for me it is too late." More than 450 years have passed. By now, Albrecht Durer's hundreds of masterful portraits, pen and silver-point sketches, watercolors, charcoals, woodcuts, and copper engravings hang in every great museum in the world, but the odds are great that you, like most people, are familiar with only one of Albrecht Durer's works. More than merely being familiar with it, you very well may have a reproduction hanging in your home or office. One day, to pay homage to Albert for all that he had sacrificed, Albrecht Durer painstakingly drew his brother's abused hands with palms together and thin fingers stretched skyward. He called his powerful drawing simply "Hands," but the entire world almost immediately opened their hearts to his great masterpiece and renamed his tribute of love "The Praying Hands." The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one, no one, ever makes it alone! -Author unknown - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:08:39 -0700 From: Greg & Mary Ann Stephens Subject: (lds-yw) Choice and Accountability Parable of the Rose by Ralph Gardiner It is not recorded in scripture....Christ never uttered it as such...but it is evidenced by every word He spoke, in every deed He performed. A certain man planted a rose and watered it faithfully, and before it blossomed he examined it. He saw the bud that would soon blossom...and he also saw the thorns. And he thought, "How can any beautiful flower come from a plant burdened with so many sharp thorns?" Saddened by this thought, he neglected to water the rose, and before it was able to bloom, it died. So it is with many people. Within every soul there is a rose..the Godlike qualities planted in us at birth, growing amid the thorns of our faults. Many of us look at ourselves and see only the thorns...the defect. We despair, thinking that nothing good can possible come from us. We neglect to water the good within us, and eventually it dies. We never reach our potential. Some people do not see the rose within themselves; someone must show it to them. One of the Savior's greatest characteristics was that he was able to show people the Kingdom of Heaven within them. He was able to reach past their thorns and show them the rose. This is the characteristic of love...to look at a person, and knowing his faults, recognize the nobility of his soul, and help him to realize that he can overcome his faults. If we show him the rose, he will conquer the thorns. Then will he blossom, bringing forth thirty, forty, sixty, or a hundrenfold as it is given to him. Our duty in this world is to help our brothers and sisters by showing them their roses and not their thorns. Only then can we achieve the love the Savior wants us to feel for each other; only then can we become perfect as He wants us to be and blossom in the garden of His Father. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:18:25 -0600 From: "The Roberts" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Another Taboo subject, perhaps?--Dress Standardsat Camp/Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy Ann, You make a very good point. I was thinking about camp this year for me - first time in a long time. I am going to have to buy new shorts because even though mine cover my garments (I am 6 feet tall) I don't think I should go if they aren't down to my knees. My example wouldn't be great because I know the girls would see it as a do as I say not as I do thing. I have had several people say...don't worry about it, they cover your garments and that is what is important. I just returned from a fireside that was excellent. The speaker (Michelle King from KUTV) spoke of what kind of example she was and what kind of things non-mormons look at and make assumptions. I was very humbled - I am going to have to be a better example in more areas than my shorts. When you said..."What I would honestly like to know is: How do some of you cope when our young people see the accolades poured on our athletes by the media and indeed by all of us who thrill to the excitement of these sports, and we tell them in our next breath that they must keep the commandments and that playing sport - professional or otherwise - is not something we do on the Sabbath." I immediately thought of her talk. WE NEED TO NOT BE POURING OUT ACCOLADES to these other people. We can say that we admire this or that about them but that some things they do we do not admire or believe is correct. I think this is VERY IMPORTANT for young women to hear. They get bombarded with the world telling them to be tolerant and yet they cannot see that tolerance doesn't mean changing our own lifestyle. Sorry this was so long.....I think you hit a sore spot.... :). Liz - ---------- > From: Ann Moynihan > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Another Taboo subject, perhaps?--Dress Standardsat Camp/Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy > Date: Saturday, May 16, 1998 8:55 PM > > Couldn't help but chuckle a little here re BYU standards. Is keeping the > Sabbath Day holy an expected standard of BYU? If so, what do they do to > students who represent the school by stating they attend the school, and > play on Sundays? If they tape recalcitrants' shorts/dresses, what do they > tape in this instance? The games they play, perhaps?!! Or in cases such as > these, do we all feel justified in reverting to 'It's their choice after > all' or 'Who are we to judge?' or 'It's their profession' or whatever other > excuse we feel fits?! > > What I would honestly like to know is: How do some of you cope when our > young people see the accolades poured on our athletes by the media and > indeed by all of us who thrill to the excitement of these sports, and we > tell them in our next breath that they must keep the commandments and that > playing sport - professional or otherwise - is not something we do on the > Sabbath. > > I mention BYU only because it was their standards that was mentioned in the > original post. I know that throughout the world, there are other LDS church > schools that have the same - dare I use the word - 'problem'! I also realise > that it is not totally the school's responsibility what its students do, (I > realise that not all students who attend our church schools are LDS), but I > would have to question why these schools allow their name to be used when, > to me, it contradicts its basic standards and what the school stands for. > > If I've gone right off the original topic, my apologies. If this warrants > another topic for discussion, I would certainly love to read some of your > comments. Is there another response to the question our young people ask > like 'Why shouldn't I trial or play sport on Sunday' than 'You'll be > rewarded for your faithfulness one day'. I have actually received responses > to a similar answer I have given as follows: 'But I want it now - not one > day. So and so is doing it, everyone seems to condone it, members > congratulate him/her...etc. etc.' Life is certainly tough for our young > ones, isn't it? Look forward to your comments. > > Ann Moynihan > Auckland, New Zealand > > PS: I think BYU is great. I have a son who is there presently - studying I > hope!! The wonderful spiritual opportunities the school offers daily and > weekly are just so awesome, it is difficult for many of us Downunder to see > how anyone who attends such a wonderful institution can do anything but > promote gospel principles, live as the Savior would want one to, and be a > shining light to all the world of what a true LDS is. Oh well, I guess > 'them's the breaks' sometimes!!! > > At 15:35 16/05/98 EDT, you wrote: > >We use the BYU standards pretty much. Also the For The Strength of the Youth > >pamplet discusses dress standards. Shorts have to be to the knee or at least > >below the fingertips when the arms are distended at the side. No sleeveless, > >tanktop, bikinis, etc. No open toed shoes, shirts with vulgar language, etc. > >The adults all enforce this. If anyone shows up at a meal, an activity, > >swimming, etc. they are sent back to their cabin to change if they come in > >inappropriate clothing. Another camp uses duct tape. Each adult is armed > >with a roll and if a girl is wearing shorts too short they get duct taped down > >their leg to where it is appropriate. If the girls continue to push the limit > >with short length especially we've threatened to outlaw them altogether. > > > >We explain that this is to prepare them for wearing garments. That there are > >priesthood around also and we need to be modest. Also, that these are the > >standards for BYU. > > > >Hope this helps. Consistancy is the key. All the leaders need to use the > >same standard for all the girls so you don't have one girl get away with > >inappropriate clothes while another girl is sent back to her cabin. > > > >Misty in Hollister > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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