From: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-yw-digest) To: lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-yw-digest V1 #94 Reply-To: lds-yw-digest Sender: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-yw-digest Monday, June 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:23:21 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Abortion In a message dated 98-05-30 19:53:44 EDT, you write: << Another reason I am so vocal is because of a situation that occured in my ward recently. An 18 year old girl had a baby out of wedlock, and kept the baby. Her father got up in sacrament meeting and told the ward how fantastic it is to have a new baby in their house again. It's just so much fun. etc etc etc, and didn't mention that his daughter didn't marry, or that the baby doesn't get to have a dad. I was so upset because he seemed to promote the whole situation, and no matter what, it is wrong. >> This father was making the best out of a "bad situation." He was just excited about the new addition to his family. What purpose would that have served, to bring up the mistakes his daughter made? I see absolutely no reason why he would of had to do that. Who would that have satisfied? This new baby is innocent, and deserves nothing but the best. And this young mother is WELL aware of what she did. Would you want your sins talked about openly in Sacrament? - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:37:40 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Abortion Can you imagine if all our sins were as visible to everyone as pregnancy. If the whole world could see every mean thing we said about someone, lustful thought we ever had, lie we ever told, omission we ever made, angry thing we ever said/thought... If they were like little video bubbles above our head that followed us everywhere. Maybe we would all be much more forgiving. Misty in Hollister - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:45:13 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) This List If your software will do this hold down the alt key and type 154 and you should get a smiley Ü - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:15:48 -0600 From: Lisa Stamps Subject: Re: (lds-yw) building unity/leadership in class presidenc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------04CF378AA6EDC12D3F773ACC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, all. my signature file is in a "card file" that can't be viewed by all browsers. trust me, you didn't miss a lot! lsj SPrice9OOO@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-31 01:09:01 EDT, you write: > > << File: vcard.vcf (273 bytes) >> > > Did you attach a file? I don't think I can read a .vcf file. What's in it??? > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - --------------04CF378AA6EDC12D3F773ACC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Lisa Stamps Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Lisa Stamps n: Stamps;Lisa org: The China Connection email;internet: china@xmission.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------04CF378AA6EDC12D3F773ACC-- - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:21:49 -0600 From: Lisa Stamps Subject: Re: (lds-yw) building unity/leadership This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------310A26AD6D86D23DC800B589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your kind feedback. We had our first presidency/training meeting this morning. I was amazed at how hard it was for our leaders to be quiet. These YW were actually trying to speak and were not being heard. It was a true challenge to silence the other "grownups" (and myself :<) while encouraging the YW to repeat their comments that couldn't be heard. I really feel that something happened and the message got to them that this is their organization, designed to edify them, and that we are there to make things work for THEM! Thanks again. LDMcEwen@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I think you are on the right track. > Have your presidency meetings, let them plan. If they forget refreshments do > without. > I tried compiling a list of various activities for my class presidents, so > they have a few ideas to help spark their creative interest. Sometimes, as we > practice shadow leadership, things do not get done like we would want. Great > example in our ward, the WWC. > > You'll do great. It takes the girls a while, specially if they haven't had > the responsibility before. As they serve together, the closeness grows.. as a > class, and as a group of young women. > > Just be patient, teach them right.... I think there is a activity planning > sheet. Bring that in and help them to plan out the activities. > Pam - --------------310A26AD6D86D23DC800B589 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Lisa Stamps Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Lisa Stamps n: Stamps;Lisa org: The China Connection email;internet: china@xmission.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------310A26AD6D86D23DC800B589-- - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:49:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) abortion, again In a message dated 98-05-31 23:49:09 EDT, you write: << Sue in OR (then in LA) >> What happened to Maryland? Stacey - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:10:37 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) This List The more, the merrier!!!! =DC=DC=DC=DC Kathy - ---------- > From: SPrice9OOO@aol.com > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) This List > Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 8:48 PM >=20 > In a message dated 98-05-31 23:30:50 EDT, you write: >=20 > << How do you make the little smiley thing with the U and the .. ? >> >=20 > Kathy taught me!!! =DC >=20 > You hold down your alt button & then strike your number six button 3 times in > a row (while holding your alt button). It's the number 6 that is over o= n the > side of your keyboard, not the one above the letters.=20 >=20 > Thanks again Kathy! =DC (Hope you don't mind if more of us use them... = they are > cute!) > Stacey >=20 > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:22:09 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: (lds-yw) video bubbles > Can you imagine if all our sins were as visible to everyone as pregnancy. If > the whole world could see every mean thing we said about someone, lustf= ul > thought we ever had, lie we ever told, omission we ever made, angry thi= ng we > ever said/thought... > If they were like little video bubbles above our head that followed us > everywhere. Maybe we would all be much more forgiving. =20 >=20 > Misty in Hollister Thanks Misty, for my laugh of the day. When I went to BYU, one of the young men gave a Sacrament meeting talk and asked "What if all our sins smelled bad--like cigarette smoke? Would we still come to church?" I've giggled over that for years! It's a good point! =DC Kathy in CA - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Denise Subject: Re: (lds-yw) This List =FE =AE =C6 =FA =DD =DC =E9 =D3 =FE =FE there are quite a few t 11:10 PM 5/31/98 -0700, you wrote: >The more, the merrier!!!! =DC=DC=DC=DC >Kathy >---------- >> From: SPrice9OOO@aol.com >> To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: (lds-yw) This List >> Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 8:48 PM >>=20 >> In a message dated 98-05-31 23:30:50 EDT, you write: >>=20 >> << How do you make the little smiley thing with the U and the .. ? >> >>=20 >> Kathy taught me!!! =DC >>=20 >> You hold down your alt button & then strike your number six button 3 >times in >> a row (while holding your alt button). It's the number 6 that is over on >the >> side of your keyboard, not the one above the letters.=20 >>=20 >> Thanks again Kathy! =DC (Hope you don't mind if more of us use them...= they >are >> cute!) >> Stacey >>=20 >> - >> To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" >> with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. >> For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send >> "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:25:24 -0700 From: marci@thetanners.com (Marci Tanner) Subject: RE: (lds-yw) This List <> How on earth do you guys know or figure out these things? Is there a manual somewhere that I'm missing out on? - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:29:59 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) This List We figure it out the same way you do--we write and ask! I found out when Diana wrote and told me! Pretty funny, huh! =DC Kathy in CA - ---------- > From: Marci Tanner > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (lds-yw) This List > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 12:25 AM >=20 > < should get a smiley =DC>> >=20 > How on earth do you guys know or figure out these things? Is there a manual > somewhere that I'm missing out on? >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:19:56 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: (lds-yw) I have a question Has anybody heard? Did Jenny Walsh have her baby yet? We haven't heard from her in awhile, so I'm guessing that maybe she did. If so, what did she have? She was moving at the same time--does anyone know where to? H= as she kept in contact with anyone? I'd just really like to know. Love and =DC's, Kathy in CA - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:24:45 +0100 From: "Richard Saltzman" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Poem--The Journey Just wanted to thank you for submitting this poem. My daughter used it in a talk she gave this last Sunday. We appreciate your efforts. Jeanette London, England> - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:58:25 -0400 From: "All About Mormons" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Here's what happened to Jenny Walsh Hey everyone! I'm back! I gave birth to a 7 lbs. baby girl on May 1st at 1:43 am. We named her Sarah. She has a full head of dark brown hair and dark blue eyes which are already turning to a green or brown color. Of course, we think she's beautiful and very gifted. For example, we put her in her swing for the first time at about 2 weeks and she started swinging her legs like she was swinging herself! What a genius! The other reason why you haven't heard from me is we went on a week's vacation to Texas to see John's side of the family. Sarah is a little traveler already. She did very well on the airplane (I was nervous about that). As for our new house, it's about 2 minutes from our apartment, so we're not going that far. We hope to be in by the end of June. Thanks for asking about me! Jenny Walsh The Young Women's Corner at All About Mormons john@mormons.org http://www.mormons.org And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. (John 1:46) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Morris To: YW List Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 4:19 AM Subject: (lds-yw) I have a question Has anybody heard? Did Jenny Walsh have her baby yet? We haven't heard from her in awhile, so I'm guessing that maybe she did. If so, what did she have? She was moving at the same time--does anyone know where to? Has she kept in contact with anyone? I'd just really like to know. Love and Ü's, Kathy in CA - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:50:58 -0700 From: Frank Morris Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Abortion Amen to that Misty and thank you!! I loved the video bubble thought!!!! I am going to have to use that in talk a sometime! I agree also with you about the Father! His hurt and that Young Womans hurt has got to be very big and that hurt just does not end in a yr. or two. It will be life long hurt!!! I have avoided all the abortion and adoption e's sent out and just hoped it would fade fast, even spent two days avoiding my mail because of it!! I will give you a YW's view on the subject of abortion! Years ago there was a new film strip out about abortion that the church did! I was probly 13 at the time! I loved Babies like I don't think anyone YW ever did at least in our ward! Babies filled my arms from the time people would trust me to hold them!! I had a strong conviction that abortion was wrong ALWAYS!! But even with all of that my Mother made me go to the fireside and watch that film strip even though I begged her not to make me! You also have to understand that I was not one as a youth to sass back at my parents or fight against them! But I did on this! But still they made me go. I went crying all the way! In this film strip they show a tiny babys hand that has torn from it's body by a form of abortion!! It tore at my heart like I will never be able to describe to you! I am 37 yrs. old and still the sight of that tiny little hand being held out by a mans hand is so ingraven in my mind it makes me sick!!!!!!! Did I need this!!! NO I DID NOT!!!!!! I know my young woman and not one of them needs this!!!! I am sure some of you are dealing with girls that are different than I was and different than the girls that I have for YW's. But you had better make darn sure that you have prayed good and hard about how to present this to your YW and which ones may need it and which ones DO NOT!! Parents should be informed and given the lesson before you give it to there kids so they may have say and input as to how this lesson will be taught thier children! When I came home from church that wed. night I was just sobbing when I told my Mom what they showed and how horrible it was for me, she had no idea, she had not seen the film strip ahead of time!! She felt just horrible that she had forced me to go! I was not the only one that reacted to this film strip! Most of the girls were just shattered by it! We all had the same convictions and feelings on the subject! I am not saying that I have not talked about the subject with my YW it has come up in conversations. Several of the girls where the little tiny feet on their coats that simbolizes the right to life! They know where it is at! We also are going through a situation in our Branch where one of my X-YW went out to Montona to work for the summer after graduation and came back pregnant! She knew from right off that she needed to put this baby up for adoption cause she wanted him to have the benefit of a father and a mother! They chose an LDS couple for an open adoption ect...about two months before he was born they found that he had Hydrocifolus sp? water on the brain! The adoptive parents said they would take him anyway knowing how bad it was! Came out for the delivery, he was also born with one finger missing and a bone missing in his arm. These adoptive parents were there maybe 2 days and jumped ship cause they couldn't handle it! The poor YW crying said to me "This was the one right thing I was going to do" Why did they leave!? They brought this little guy home who was not ever going to be anything but a vegetable. He is smiling, laughing, using his legs and even his bumb arm! He is doing just great!! But still knowing that he needs a Mom and a Dad they turned to LDS social services! We have all grown attached to this little guy, I live right next door and have watched him to help out here and there! He leaves on Fri. at 4:30 to go to his new home! This poor YW has more than suffered for her mistake! She has had this little guy for almost three months loved him, fed him, gotten up with him, Been his Mom. Now she IS doing the one right thing!!! It is tearing her apart! Now my Branch Pres. wants her to go into the YW class and tell them what this experience has done to her! He wants her to go in and apologize to them for what she did!! I know that we are suppose to support our Priesthood But I can not tell you how I am struggling with this!!! She owes NO ONE an apology except her Heavenly Father and this child!! She is doing all she can to set this situation right!!! How do I let them do this to her when I feel so awful about it! That father that got up and said he was loving having that new baby in their house is doing just what Misty said! Surviving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all doing the best we can with what we have and how DARE anyone put judgments on another persons trials and how they react or how they feel or how they deal!!! I am sorry, well no I am not sorry!! I think we as LDS members get so caught up in self rightousness that we can't see the forest for the trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do we continue to hurt ea. other with our OPPINIONS!!!!!!!!! Our Savior never would do to us, what we feel we have the right to do to others!!!!!!!!!!!! This was and is the wrong subject for me for this wk...it hurts so bad I can hardly stand it and I am just a friend, I can only imagine the hurt of this girl and her family!!! Mastifacre@aol.com wrote: > > Can you imagine if all our sins were as visible to everyone as pregnancy. If > the whole world could see every mean thing we said about someone, lustful > thought we ever had, lie we ever told, omission we ever made, angry thing we > ever said/thought... > If they were like little video bubbles above our head that followed us > everywhere. Maybe we would all be much more forgiving. > > Misty in Hollister > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:31:15 -0800 From: "Dan Rostrom" Subject: (lds-yw) Fw: something to laugh at I thought some of you might like to lighten up the conversation a little. Kay - -----Original Message----- From: Spike & Debbie Smith To: Dan and Kay Rostrom Cc: Mom and Dad Smith ; Sandy, Bill and Ethan Tarris Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 8:54 AM Subject: Fw: Thoughts that make you Go HMMMmmmmmmm... >heres some for the start of your day! > >---------- >> From: Kat & Matt DuFresne >> To: Shirley ; Daddy Yarbrough >; Earl A. & Rhonda Valley ; >Steve Laabs ; Mike Simmons ; Mark >Boberick ; Tom and Brenda Elmer >; THOMAS N SAFFOLD ; venetia >craze ; Barbara or Chip Smith >; Betty Huntington ; Chuck >Hallett ; DK Williams ; James >& Flora Banks ; Kim ; Lyle & Si >Savage ; Marcia Feller ; Mike & >Floss Caskey ; Pat Kerber ; Ray >Christenson ; Rhoda & James Oakley >; Ruby and Milton Murrill ; Spike >& Debbie Smith ; Steve & Karen Kelsey >; Theresa Dubber >> Subject: Thoughts that make you Go HMMMmmmmmmm... >> Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 3:07 AM >> >> I must always remember that I'm unique, just like everyone else. >> >> Can atheists get insurance for acts of God? >> >> Did you ever notice when you blow in a dog's face he gets mad at >> you? But when you take him in a car, he sticks his head out the >> window! >> >> If FEDEX and UPS were to merge, would they call it FED UP? >> >> Does fuzzy logic tickle? >> >> If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with >> battery? >> >> I think everyone has a photographic memory; it's just that some of >> us don't have film. >> >> I believe five out of four people have trouble with fractions. >> >> How come you never hear about gruntled employees? >> >> I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. >> >> How much deeper would the oceans be without sponges? >> >> If a tin whistle is made out of tin (and it is), then what exactly >> is a fog horn made out of? >> >> If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up >> with, "Quit while you're ahead"?! >> >> If vegetable oil comes from vegetables, where does baby oil come >> from? >> >> Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check? >> >> Is the hardness of the butter proportional to the softness of the >> bread? >> >> I believe the only time the world beats a path to my door is when >> I'm in The bathroom. >> >> What do they call a coffee break at the Lipton Tea Company? >> >> What hair color do they put on the driver's license of a bald man? >> >> What was the best thing before sliced bread? >> >> When companies ship Styrofoam, what do they pack it in? >> >> When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? >> >> Why is the word abbreviation so long? > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:37:09 -0700 From: Brandon & Shiela Lee Subject: (lds-yw) petty request This is probably going to sound petty to y'all, but can we please stop "replying" to the "abortion" string. I am not saying to stop discussing, just please take the time to change the subject line to say something else. My family and I are tired of having ABORTION appear 5-10 in our e-mail subject line every time we open e-mail. Just a small request. Thank you, Shiela - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:44:46 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: (lds-yw) Hoping NOT to offend! <> That's a good one Charmaine! I don't think there's anyway to be on the list without offending someone! I think I know what you are trying to sa= y though! We don't have to stone someone or punish the parents or the baby--but we don't have to glorify the situation either. Sure we love an= d we help out and encourage. BUT, in my mother's ward, one of the YW had a baby out of wedlock (she kept the baby) and they gave the baby a shower a= s a YW activity! I don't think that's right either! There were other girl= s that got pregnant in the ward and I think (partly) it was because they glorified the situation. (As a matter of fact, this same young woman got pregnant AGAIN out of wedlock, but this time she married the father--who was going to go on a mission until she turned up pregnant--of course, tha= t hasn't worked out either) This is a sad situation--just like Jeannie sai= d! We want to help and love and encourage, encourage, encourage--but let's encourage them to repent, encourage them to do what's right and NOT encourage them to have more babies out of wedlock! I'm fully expecting t= he torches on this one--but it's not because I don't love the Young Women, it's because I love them SO much, I would like to see them spared the heartache! We HAVE to see both sides of this--hate the sin and LOVE the sinner! =DC Love you ALL! Kathy=20 - ---------- > From: Charmaine L. Peck > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Abortion > Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 4:47 PM >=20 > Okay, gotta pipe in here... >=20 > I would tend to agree with Ex-Bishop Daddy that the youth need to be taught > about abortion. HOWEVER... >=20 > I think we ALSO need to teach about the importance of sealing children = to > families. Abortion ONLY comes as a result of a pregnancy. So, are we = to > teach the young women that abortion is wrong, but that if she repents a= nd > keeps the child it's okay?...Let's say one of the young women sometime = in > the future gets pregnant out of wedlock. Should she believe that abortion > is wrong, but that keeping the child as an unwed 15 year old is okay? >=20 > Here's where I am coming from. I am an adoptive parent. Our daughter'= s > birthmother was awfully brave, and placed her 1 1/2 day old baby up for > adoption, which was the ONLY way that my husband and I would have ever had a > family. We still communicate with her through letters, and although it has > been terribly hard for her, she knows that she made the right decision for > her baby to be in a family, which she could not provide. >=20 > There is a fabulous video the Church produced (which my hubby, baby, an= d I > are in, by the way!) called "Adoption and Unwed Parents." It covers th= e > whole issue of unwed pregnancy, but focuses on the importance of childr= en > being sealed in families and having TWO parents. Obviously you'd have = to > work with the priesthood on this. Only they can get the tape. >=20 > Big time on my soap box here, hoping not to offend anyone. Our stake > president talked about the Proclamation on the Family for ward conferences > and did a slide show presentation with shocking figures on abortion. H= e had > me stand up at each one and talk about adoption vs. abortion. He also wants > me to go around to the wards and do firesides with the video, to the > mia-maids and laurels and their parents about this issue. >=20 > The church has recently asked us (and all adoptive parents) to become > advocates for adoption - to speak out about it, so hey, that's what I'm > doing! >=20 > Another reason I am so vocal is because of a situation that occured in = my > ward recently. An 18 year old girl had a baby out of wedlock, and kept the > baby. Her father got up in sacrament meeting and told the ward how > fantastic it is to have a new baby in their house again. It's just so much > fun. etc etc etc, and didn't mention that his daughter didn't marry, or that > the baby doesn't get to have a dad. I was so upset because he seemed t= o > promote the whole situation, and no matter what, it is wrong. >=20 > Okay, I'm hoping not to get flamed for this, so be gentle with your > responses! I know there is repentance, etc, but maybe part of the process > should be to allow the baby to have a family (a daddy) and a temple > sealing. I am SO grateful for our beautiful birth mother (16 at the time) > who chose not to kill her unborn child, but to allow HER baby, to be MY > baby. >=20 > Charee Peck, Stake YW President, South Salt Lake Stake > serryp@burgoyne.com >=20 > P.S. I found some great quotes on abortion on the LDS Collectors Libra= ry > CD. Could send them if needed. :) end of soap box >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Morris > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Abortion >=20 >=20 > >You must remember, as a Bishop I was unorthodox. in my opinion the Laurels > >and the Mia Maids definitely need to hear about abortion. Probably no= t the > >Bee Hives. This will depend on your group. Hopefully you know the Beehives > >well enough to know if they need this lesson. I know some people in o= ur > >ward were upset with me when I talked about sex, dating, homosexuals, > >lesbians and gays. Not all in the same day. I had a case where three > >members of a family were all sexually abused. The youngest was one, an= d > >oldest was 11. I talked to the mother of these children and asked her= , at > >what age should we talk to the youth about molestation? Her reply was > >primary age. > > I know we must stick to the prescribed course of study, but when I s= aw a > >need for something to be taught, I would teach it. The Bishop(if he is on > >the ball) or the youth leaders can tell if the youth are starting to stray. > > I felt it was better to talk to them before they strayed, than to wai= t. > >When you teach them you cannot pull any punches. You must tell them li= ke it > >is. I bet if you ask the girls about abortion they will know more abou= t it, > >then you do. > > There are many things I would like to say but I cannot. Hopefully in the > >next few days I will get the waterslide put together. This should help= a > >little in this area. > >Thanks > >Ex-Bishop Daddy > > > >---------- > >> From: Jhenrick@aol.com > >> To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Abortion > >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 8:58 PM > >> > >> > >> << In a few weeks I have to give the lesson about the Value of Life. > >> Mainly this deals with abortion. Any ideas or object lessons out > >> there? >> > >> Is this in the lesson manual anywhere. From my understanding we are to > >teach > >> our lessons from the manual. In the YW handbook page #7 it states T= he > >young > >> women meeting on Sunday should be taught from the approved YW manual= s. > >.... > >> Guest speakers may occasionally be invited, with the approval from t= he > >> bishopric. > >> I think Abortion is a little heavy for YW. Every once-in-a-while I see a > >> listing for helps with a certain lesson, and I have never heard of t= he > >topic > >> in one of my manuals. Just wondering. EX-Bishop Daddy What is your > >thought > >> on abortion in a lesson. > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > >> For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages sen= d > >> "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:46:55 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) petty request ME TOO! - ---------- > From: Brandon & Shiela Lee > To: YW Mailing List > Subject: (lds-yw) petty request > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:37 AM > > This is probably going to sound petty to y'all, but can we please stop > "replying" to the "abortion" string. I am not saying to stop > discussing, just please take the time to change the subject line to say > something else. My family and I are tired of having ABORTION appear > 5-10 in our e-mail subject line every time we open e-mail. > > Just a small request. > Thank you, > Shiela > > > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:46:15 -0800 From: "Dan Rostrom" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) petty request YES!!!!!!! I "M VERY TIRED OF IT ALSO!!!!!!! - -----Original Message----- From: Brandon & Shiela Lee To: YW Mailing List Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:37 AM Subject: (lds-yw) petty request >This is probably going to sound petty to y'all, but can we please stop >"replying" to the "abortion" string. I am not saying to stop >discussing, just please take the time to change the subject line to say >something else. My family and I are tired of having ABORTION appear >5-10 in our e-mail subject line every time we open e-mail. > >Just a small request. >Thank you, >Shiela > > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. 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