From: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-yw-digest) To: lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-yw-digest V1 #98 Reply-To: lds-yw-digest Sender: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-yw-digest Tuesday, June 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:49:42 -0600 From: "Charmaine L. Peck" Subject: (lds-yw) For Sue in New Hampshire Sue, my e-mail back to you came back as undeliverable...so.. Sue, thank you for sharing so eloquently what I would have loved to have said. Adoption has been the greatest blessing in the lives of my husband and me. I, too, am so grateful for a selfless birthmother who wanted so much for her baby that she couldn't provide. An emotional subject for me...thank you. Charee Peck serryp@burgoyne.com - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:52:46 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Re: lesson That is what we do. We jump around the manual according to whatever we feel are pressing needs of the girls. We can't get through all of them in the year... but try to make sure we have hit all the sections, and try to combine also when we can & know we won't get to them. I really like the sounds of all classes teaching the same and also having it planned out for the year... but I also want the flexibility to be able to meet current needs. I don't know how to do both! Sometimes moms call us & request a lesson (or I should say topic... & then we just look in the manual to find the one that fits the bill). Sometimes in teaching a lesson it is obvious that the girls are not "satisfied" with just the one lesson time devoted to it... maybe we've only gotten through half the lesson in the time allotted because of their questions or concerns or whatever... and so then we want to continue the next week to finish it up. So then that is one less week to get all the lessons in. We have value speakers on fast sundays... but only through the school year... sept to may, skipping the months of general conference. We found that it was hard to have a guest speaker in the summer. You invite a speaker to sometimes an almost empty classroom! We just couldn't predict when there would be 20 or when there would be 2 girls! Of course the 2 are just as important... but it was embarrassing just the same...and what if NOONE came? Plus we decided by not doing the value speakers in the summer we would have more time to get through the manual lessons. So it works out with the seven values in sep, nov, dec, jan, feb, mar, & may. Our teachers like to combine classes more often during the summer because of not knowing when the girls will be gone...it's not fun for the ONE girl not on vacation who is sitting listening to the Mia Maid advisor by herself! Many of the leaders are gone too. Gee, that would be another reason it would be nice to have all the girls have the same lessons throughout the year... Hmmmmmm... - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:50:26 -0600 From: "Charmaine L. Peck" Subject: (lds-yw) For Sue in New Hampshire -SL visit Sue, boy are you right about the Salt Lake Traffic. First of all, try to stay OFF the freeway. It's a complete nightmare. So many exits and on-ramps are closed. I think our Stake Motto should be. "Welcome to Utah...you can't get there from here." hahaha The General Young Women office doesn't have much to see except for the open house at conference time. BUT, downstairs in the basement of that building they have some wonderful displays to check out, that give great ideas for camp, youth conferences, etc. You would probably enjoy that. Of course, if you haven't seen Legacy at the Joseph Smith Memorial building (even if you saw it on TV), it's a must. Do you have a Deseret Book where you live? Always a great place to go for LDS stuff. There's a great one downtown in ZCMI mall. Seagull book is also wonderful. The Mormon Handicraft that used to be across from the temple has moved into ZCMI mall. Mostly they have things to make, not so much to buy anymore. You have probably been to LDS distribution. It's fun to browse. I haven't heard of great musicals/plays/speakers coming to town. If I do, I will e-mail you. E-mail me if you have specific requests, maybe I could help more. Good luck. Charee Peck, Stake YW Pres, SSL Stake serryp@burgoyne.com - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:55:42 -0600 From: "Charmaine L. Peck" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) For Sue in New Hampshire -SL visit Whoops, that should have been "state" motto, not stake! Charee - -----Original Message----- From: Charmaine L. Peck To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 11:55 PM Subject: (lds-yw) For Sue in New Hampshire -SL visit >Sue, boy are you right about the Salt Lake Traffic. First of all, try to >stay OFF the freeway. It's a complete nightmare. So many exits and >on-ramps are closed. I think our Stake Motto should be. "Welcome to >Utah...you can't get there from here." hahaha >The General Young Women office doesn't have much to see except for the open >house at conference time. BUT, downstairs in the basement of that building >they have some wonderful displays to check out, that give great ideas for >camp, youth conferences, etc. You would probably enjoy that. >Of course, if you haven't seen Legacy at the Joseph Smith Memorial building >(even if you saw it on TV), it's a must. >Do you have a Deseret Book where you live? Always a great place to go for >LDS stuff. There's a great one downtown in ZCMI mall. Seagull book is also >wonderful. The Mormon Handicraft that used to be across from the temple has >moved into ZCMI mall. Mostly they have things to make, not so much to buy >anymore. You have probably been to LDS distribution. It's fun to browse. >I haven't heard of great musicals/plays/speakers coming to town. If I do, I >will e-mail you. >E-mail me if you have specific requests, maybe I could help more. Good >luck. >Charee Peck, Stake YW Pres, SSL Stake >serryp@burgoyne.com > > > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:35:20 -0800 From: "Dan Rostrom" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Re: lesson We have tried both ways-last year we did any lesson anytime. This year we're going in order. We like the latter best for us so when we need to combine classes for some reason we're on the same lesson and the girls haven't had it yet... also the girls change classes on their b-days so if one teacher gives one lesson she could possibly have to have the lesson again when she becomes a MiaMaid or say a Laurel. Did that make any sense? Kay - -----Original Message----- From: SPrice9OOO@aol.com To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:55 PM Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Re: lesson >That is what we do. We jump around the manual according to whatever we feel >are pressing needs of the girls. We can't get through all of them in the >year... but try to make sure we have hit all the sections, and try to combine >also when we can & know we won't get to them. I really like the sounds of all >classes teaching the same and also having it planned out for the year... but I >also want the flexibility to be able to meet current needs. I don't know how >to do both! Sometimes moms call us & request a lesson (or I should say >topic... & then we just look in the manual to find the one that fits the >bill). >Sometimes in teaching a lesson it is obvious that the girls are not >"satisfied" with just the one lesson time devoted to it... maybe we've only >gotten through half the lesson in the time allotted because of their questions >or concerns or whatever... and so then we want to continue the next week to >finish it up. So then that is one less week to get all the lessons in. >We have value speakers on fast sundays... but only through the school year... >sept to may, skipping the months of general conference. We found that it was >hard to have a guest speaker in the summer. You invite a speaker to sometimes >an almost empty classroom! We just couldn't predict when there would be 20 or >when there would be 2 girls! Of course the 2 are just as important... but it >was embarrassing just the same...and what if NOONE came? Plus we decided by >not doing the value speakers in the summer we would have more time to get >through the manual lessons. So it works out with the seven values in sep, nov, >dec, jan, feb, mar, & may. >Our teachers like to combine classes more often during the summer because of >not knowing when the girls will be gone...it's not fun for the ONE girl not on >vacation who is sitting listening to the Mia Maid advisor by herself! Many of >the leaders are gone too. Gee, that would be another reason it would be nice >to have all the girls have the same lessons throughout the year... Hmmmmmm... > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:25:29 -0700 From: "Dave Morris" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) RE: Stake Camp How did you learn? Did you just figure it out? Could you tell us how to do it? Love, Kathy in CA =DC mor3@snowcrest.net - ---------- > From: Kim Jackson > To: lds yw > Subject: (lds-yw) RE: Stake Camp > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:44 PM >=20 > For a craft idea dealing with the value colors and embroidery floss: > have any of you seen girls with just a tiny bit of hair, usually behind > their one ear...wrapped with colored string and knotted at the bottom > and a few small beads at the end? We paid and arm and a leg to have it > done down at DisneyWorld...I returned home bound and determined to lear= n > to do it just like they did...and it was a breeze...wouldn't that look > cute with all of the value colors displayed? > Just a thought... > Kim from WA >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:44:48 -0700 From: HETRICK Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Good Works Teri, I don't have a pome or story, but, here is a hymn that goes well with the value of 'Good Works' (in my opinion.) Also a couple other scriptures I like with the value are: 3 Nephi 12:16 (GW value scripture) Ether 12:4 1 Timothy 2:10 ( I like the whole chapter 2 in Timothy) AS SISTERS IN ZION (309) Text: Emily H. Woodmansee Music: Janice Kapp Perry Scriptures: Galatians 6:2, 9-10; Doctrine and Covenants 11:12-14 As sisters in Zion, we'll all work together; The blessings of God on our labors we'll seek. We'll build up his kingdom with earnest endeavor; We'll comfort the weary and strengthen the weak. The errand of angels is given to women; And this is a gift that, as sisters, we claim: To do whatsoever is gentle and human, To cheer and to bless in humanity's name. How vast is our purpose, how broad is our mission, If we but fulfill it in spirit and deed. Oh, naught but the spirit's divinest tuition Can give us the wisdom to truly succeed. I hope this can help a bit. Jessica hetrick@prodigy.net - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:03:08 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Direction from Salt Lake? It was not my quote...the "direction from Salt Lake" beats me! (Smile) Karla - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:15:45 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Direction from Salt Lake? It means stick to the manual, sisters. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:28:27 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Hoping NOT to offend! In a message dated 98-06-02 01:33:52 EDT, you write: << OK, there is the opinion from........one of these innocent babies! Sue in NH.....kanewoman@juno.com >> What a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing! Karla L1011Jet@aol.com - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:59:06 EDT From: Subject: (lds-yw) Need Secret Sister Ideas! Our Stake YW Camp is coming up soon and I desperately need secret sister ideas. My creative thinking abilities seem to have disappeared at the moment. Any ideas would be apreciated. Thanks!!! Pam - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:52:58 -0500 From: "Denise Nix" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) my thoughts... Sheila... I'm a YW Pres... Thanks for your note.. I agree.. I have a daughter coming in next year to YW. I wouldn't want this "discussed as a class"... (Hopefully if there is a girl out there needing to hear this type of "counsel", the leaders have made themselves available and have gotten close to the girls so that she can and will go to someone at the church level) At least that is what we try to accomplish in our YW Board. No different for the VT Program where the sisters are suppose to befriend and love their sisters, so in time of crisis when they need a shoulder...they turn to their VT. I'd have to say "Ditto for me" and no one should feel "offended". This is an OPINION! Last time I heard, we are each allowed that! :-) Have a nice week! Dee - ---------- > From: Brandon & Shiela Lee > To: YW Mailing List > Subject: (lds-yw) my thoughts... > Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 12:27 PM > > Before anyone gets "reply" button happy, I ask that you read my entire > post before "letting me have it", please! :) > > Let me start off by saying that I read the first post regarding abortion > and I have deleted, without reading, every one since. This is a > sickening subject to me...I am not saying that those of you who are > discussing it are wrong to do so, I am just saying that "I" can't stand > it. > > Bear in mind that I haven't read the other posts, please forgive me if > someone has already addressed this. As a parent I would be "furious" if > my daughter came home and told me that her YW lesson discussed > abortion!!!!! I realize that their are yw out there who don't have > parents that will handle an "issue" like this, but that doesn't mean > that my toes should be stepped on because of it. > > The main idea of the abortion string may have been "teach them that it > isn't a way out". This is just such a touchy subject, my advice (for > those of you who haven't already deleted this) is to have some faith in > the parent's!!! As a stake leader I KNOW there are YW out there who do > not have parent's that "talk" to them. I can think of 15-20 girls just > off the top of my head who I know don't have parent's that are > comfortable "talking" to their girls about teenage subjects...let alone > abortion. I don't know what the answer is. I can't see sending out a > permission slip to the parents for a yw to attend a class discussion on > abortion. But I also can't see having my own daughter come home and > tell me that "Sister Whoever talked to me about abortion." I can see > mentioning in a passing sentence that abortion is not acceptable and is > a sin in the eyes of the Lord. However, I don't think that this string > would have gotten so long if that were the question. > > I have so much love for the sisters (and the few brethren :)) on this > list and for the YW. I am not sure if I wrote this as a YW leader or as > a mother, but these are my feelings. > > I have read and re-read this post five times now. I can't see how > anyone can be offended by it, I can see people not agreeing with > me...and this is the beauty of the list...you can still do whatever you > think is right for your girls. I just couldn't keep deleting this gross > topic from my "subject" list anymore without saying something. > > For those of you who wish to e-mail your supporting words, please send > it privately so that it doesn't take up space on the list. For those > sister's who would rather toast me, please have the courage to send it > for EVERYONE to read (if you don't, I will). I have received some very > hurtful and ugly replies to some of my posts, granted I expected them, > but if you have words to say to me (or anyone) that can't be said in > front of everyone, maybe you should think twice before saying them at > all. (I am not sure where that tangent came from, but for what it's > worth, there it is). > > Lovingly, > Shiela > mailto:brashie@ior.com > > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:17:25 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Good Works Teri - Here are a few ideas from my files. Hope it helps!!! Nancy 'Go spread to the needy sweet charity bread; For giving is living', the angel said. 'Oh must I be giving and giving again?', My foolish and peevish answer came. 'Oh no', said the angel, piercing me through. 'Just give til the Lord stops giving to you.' Author Unknown RIPPLES ON THE LAKE. As I stood as the beginning of the New Year, A special thought came to me so very strong That I should plough forward and right every wrong, That I should make the world much better than before. I read of mighty men and their wonderful deeds so great, I bowed my head and thought what difference could I make? I can not make a ripple even on the smallest lake, How could someone like me stop hunger, war and hate. That night I prayed to God, for I knew my thought was good, How can I right each wrong done? How can I stop hate and war? How can I with such puny strength and my limited means, soar To lofty heights to help all my fellow men. Please show me Lord. That night I had a dream, like small visions in my troubled mind. I saw a child being bullied by friends, I took him upon my knee. I saw an old woman who lives all alone, as happy as could be Because I was in her kitchen, both of us talking and chatting happily. I saw someone by a grave, with tear stained face and broken heart, I took him by the hand and let him talk of his sweet wife and his love. I listened and shed with him some tears, then sweet peace like a dove Rested on his broken heart, and he thanked me for friendship true. Next morning walking by the lake, I threw in a tiny stone to see How many ripples it would make on that water strong and still. It landed with a gentle touch, but oh, the circles went on till At last they reached the shore and caused small waves to form. Then I knew that my dream meant for me to try, within my own realm, To make some kind of difference to a few of my fellow men. There will be some small thing I may do, although I don't know when, That could make a child feel safe, and a lonely soul feel whole again. Ann Margetson Dec 29 1995 ANYWAY People are unreasonable, illogical and self-centered, LOVE THEM ANYWAY- If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives, DO GOOD ANYWAY- If you are successful, you win false friends and true enemies, SUCCEED ANYWAY- The good you do will be forgotten tomorrow, DO GOOD ANYWAY- Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable, BE HONEST AND FRANK ANYWAY- What you spent years building may be destroyed overnight, BUILD ANYWAY- People really need help but may attack you if you help them, HELP PEOPLE ANYWAY- Give the world the best you have and you'll get kicked in the teeth, GIVE THE WORLD THE BEST YOU'VE GOT ANYWAY. "You Never Know Who You May Save", Elder Jacob de Jager, General Conference, October 1976 I would like to go back in thought to my native Holland where six generations of my father's ancestors lived in the little village of Scheveningen at the seashore. They were fishermen or had other related vocations, like fishingboat builders, sailmakers, or fishing-net repairmen. Many of them were also involved in the voluntary but hazardous task of lifesaving. They were stouthearted, experienced men who always were ready to man the rowing lifeboats to go on a rescue mission. with every westerly gale that blew, some fishing boats ran into difficulties, and many times the sailors had to cling to the rigging of their stricken ships in a desperate fight to escape inevitable drowning. Year after year, the sea claimed its victims. On one occasion during a severe storm, a ship was in distress, and a rowboat went out to rescue the crew of the fishing boat. The waves were enormous, and each of the men at the oars had to give all his strength and energy to reach the unfortunate sailors in the grim darkness of the night and the heavy rainstorm. The trip to the wrecked ship was successful, but the rowboat was too small to take the whole crew in one rescue operation. One man had to stay behind on board because there simply was no room for him; the risk that the rescue boat would capsize was too great. When the rescuers made it back to the beach, hundreds of people were waiting for them with torches to guide them in the dreary night. But the same crew could not make the second trip because they were exhausted from their fight with the storm winds, the waves, and the sweeping rains. So the local captain of the coast guard asked for volunteers to make a second trip. Among those who stepped forward without hesitation was a nineteen-year- old youth by the name of Hans. With his mother he had come to the beach in his oilskin clothes to watch the rescue operation. When Hans stepped forward his mother panicked and said, "Hans, please don't go. Your father died at sea when you were four years old and your older brother Pete has been reported missing at sea for more than three months now. You are the only son left to me!" But Hans said, "Mom, I feel I have to do it. It is my duty." And the mother wept and restlessly started pacing the beach when Hans boarded the rowing boat, took the oars, and disappeared into the night. After a struggle with the high-going seas that lasted for more than an hour (and to Hans's mother it seemed an eternity), the rowboat came into sight again. When the rescuers had approached the beach close enough so that the captain of the coast guard could reach them by shouting, he cupped his hands around his mouth and called vigorously against the storm, "Did you save him?" And then the people lighting the sea with their torches saw Hans rise from his rowing bench, and he shouted with all his might, "Yes! And tell Mother it is my brother Pete!" - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:28:24 -0700 From: Jon/Mindy Mitchell Subject: RE: (lds-yw) Need Secret Sister Ideas! - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD8DF8.8D91F280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is the theme of Girls Camp and how much money do you have to spend? = Alos, how many gifts do you need to make? We have done several cute = secret sister gifts over the years and would be glad to share some with = you. 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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:34:40 -0500 From: "Denise Nix" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sensitive Subjects Yes, Kathy. That is so well put! HOW a lesson is taught is sooooo important. The manuals are guidelines for us to use. The lessons we use are to be taught with the Spirit. As the YW President, I prayerfully consider my girls' needs and then choose the years curriculum around the values introduced and needs .... If you'll notice, there are more lessons than are taught in a single year. With the guidance of the Spirit, I was able to assess the YW and what they needed at this time of their lives. Then at our December meeting, I handed out the next year's lesson plans and the YW Presidency, along with the Advisors, review what has been chosen. This calendar stands as our "plan", but we are flexible in the case of special situations cropping up during the year. I didn't have any real direction when I came into the program 7 months ago. The young women's program hadn't really functioned for the last 6 years, and none of us (YW Board) are life members or have gone through the program, so I had to read the manual cover to cover and pray ALOT. So far, it has worked out wonderful. Sensitive issues are just that. There is a time and a place and I'm grateful that the First Presidency has this manual for direction on these matters. But how it is presented and to whom should be carefully considered. I'm grateful for the sister who pointed out that we need to be more "Christ-like" and not "flame" someone. We are all unique children of our Heavenly Father, each with strengths and weaknesses that differ. There have been times( in the heat of controversial issues),that this group doesn't seem like a church list, but a "worldly" chat room... It would be sad to become that. Let's continue the wonderfully uplifting beamer-attitude of which we are to teach! Thanks to each of you, for your love and support of your young women! Dee in Iowa - ---------- > From: Dave Morris > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sensitive Subjects > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 7:25 PM > > I don't think that there is anyone on the list against teaching from the > lesson manual. I think the problem has been that we see the word abortion > and we are so offended because we are so spiritually sensitive and the word > is so ugly in all it represents that we don't want these sweet young women > exposed to it. Hooray for us! This is a good thing! > The truth is that it is an abhorrent sin which compounds the ugly sin of > immorality. It is equal, in every way, to the sin of immorality and > surpasses it in is serious consequences. It is not equal to the sin of > murder, but is placed right under it. (In some of the recent > practices--I'm not sure that someone won't be held accountable for murder!) > It can be repented of, but the > repentance will not be easy or pleasant. It is a heartbreaking sign of the > degeneracy of our times. > When we've heard it addressed in General Conference, however, we have not > been offended. Why is that? Because it is not spoken of casually. We > don't have to go into the ugly details (and we don't have to see the > slides, which I don't think that were ever intended for the Young Women's > program!) We decry the practice as a horrible abomination! It is a form > of genocide! > I'm glad we have not become so desensitized that we don't cringe when we > see or hear the word! I thank my Heavenly Father for our wonderful leaders > that can speak up for righteousness and goodness. I thank Him for each of > you! I am grateful to have a place where I can go and still find that > there are people who have values and beliefs that reflect the Lord's > standards! > So, I say hooray! Hooray for lesson manuals! Hooray for church leaders! > Hooray for us! Love, Kathy > > ---------- > > From: Dan Rostrom > > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sensitive Subjects > > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 4:14 PM > > > > Is there anyone on this list > > > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on this list AGAINST teaching what's in the lesson > manual? > > I can't imagine there is. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken and Michelle Duker > > To: 'yw list' > > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 1:33 PM > > Subject: (lds-yw) Sensitive Subjects > > > > > > There, is that a better header? > > I finally just had to weigh in with my two cents. I finally picked up > the > > manual and read the lesson on abortion. You lifetimers, please be > patient > > with me as a new convert in case I inadvertently step on toes here. But > > what exactly is objectionable about this lesson? Should such topics be > > taught after very careful consideration and prayer? Yes, of course ( I > > thought all topics shoud be approached that way.) And I am not > advocating > > showing videos of dismembered babies, either. I don't want to spend all > my > > life talking about such things, either. But we can't just never talk > about > > them either! And perhaps some flexibility is in order, based on what > each > > set of young women actually knows. But don't be too sure about knowing > > exactly what they know unless you have actually talked to them and found > > out!!! It seems to me our absolute fear of talking about such things > could > > potentially cause a lot of harm. I agree with Stacey that we should not > > consider ourselves personal counselors of the girls, and I plan to gently > > steer any of my young women who start asking me lots of sexual morality > > questions to their parents or the bishop. But in the context of the > lesson > > material given, I think matter-of-fact, calm, casual discussion is > perfectly > > in line. > > We may think we know what our yw know about all these things, but unless > we > > were present when their parents taught them about such things, how do we > > know? My mom is well intentioned and a nurse; I just assumed she taught > me > > what I needed to know. When my friend turned up pregnant at 13 I > beleived > > with all my heart it was because she must have kissed with her mouth > open! > > She thought that was how you got pregnant too. I didnt even know what an > > abortion was until I was 15 or 16. Another friend asked me to drive her > to > > an appointment so she could have one. I thought it was some sort of > > procedure to keep her from getting pregnant. I did it! Can you imagine, > I > > helped to do such a thing out of complete and total ignorance! How I > have > > beat myself up about that! I should have known. But how could I? No > one > > even ever told me what an abortion was, or I would certainly have never > > helped anyone get one! > > As YW leaders we are not the primary teachers of such material, and I > hope > > we never will be. I am actually pretty gunshy about this stuff, and > pretty > > quick to send a yw to her mother with questions or concerns. But we > cannot > > refuse to even discuss or think about stuff because it disturbs us. We > are > > not of the world, but we and our yw still have to live in it. They have > to > > know what abortion is, and why it is wrong. I am not shy that I > politically > > oppose abortion advocates. I intend to teach my children all the facts > they > > need, and the whys too. We cannot stand up for the right if we don't > know > > what it is! Admittedly, lots of stuff can get by me. But I don't think > I > > am the only person ever who has made it to the teen years not knowing > what > > an abortion is. I am slow, but not that slow. And I am only 30. The > whole > > topic upsets me too, but as a formerly ignorant person, and an incest > > survivor, I strongly believe that we have to stand up and meet the > ugliness > > to defeat it. Hiding will not prevent any of these horrible things, not > > even in the Church. If someone teaches my children that abortion is > wrong, > > I will only say hooray! Do you realize how many voices are teaching them > > otherwise? > > Whew, this was about 10 times longer than I intended. I have leapt off > of > > my soapbox and bruised my feet! The Brethren put this stuff in the > manuals > > for a reason. We have to live in the world for a reason. > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:05:37 -0700 From: "Bill/Sue Guest" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Let's take it easy >Maybe everybody should calm down a little bit Respond, KINDLY please to the >topic and let's not flame each other? Thank you Charee....I also think we can discuss different opinions without flaming and being unkind. I don't think there is any room on this list for that kind of treatment of others. That is why I left the Sister-Share list a couple of years ago, there were just too many hurtful and catty responses. We are sisters, and we are here to help and lift one another. Let me also say, I try to be careful in my responses, even if I disagree with someone, not to attack anyone personally, but if I have offended, or if someone has felt flamed by me I am sincerely sorry. Have a good day, I love you all, and can't tell you how much I appreciate all of the wonderful ideas and inspiration I've gained from you all. 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