From: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-yw-digest) To: lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-yw-digest V1 #145 Reply-To: lds-yw-digest Sender: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-yw-digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 145 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:36:04 +1000 From: Lynis & Jerry Steadman Subject: Re: (lds-yw) YW Camp & church double standards? -Reply Ok - so what is your interpretation of a "SNIPE HUNT" - because just the title sounds scary to me. What do you do that is so fun? Couldn't you call it something else so it didn't infer what it sounds like! I would be a bit worried about it too. At 09:10 23/06/98 -0500, you wrote: >Rick, > >I just happen to have my camp manual at work with me and have gone through >every page ... there is no official ruling on "hazing" as in your scout >handbook. And I don't have a scout handbook to know what that states ... >but if you say that in that handbook snipe hunts are considered a form of >hazing then I guess it is according to the scouts! Our camp manual simply >states "Church standards should be upheld at camp. Leaders are responsible >to see that the standards followed in dress, music, and activities are in >keeping with what the Savior would have his people do." Maybe you might >think that the Savior wouldn't approve of snipe hunts ... who knows. Now >allow me to just state my very personal opinion on this subject that you >brought up ... > >I have never even thought of a snipe hunt as "hazing" - I guess my >interpretation of hazing is different. I consider hazing to be rough or >cruel, causing harm to a person ... the dictionary also states that hazing >is "to harass or persecute with meaningless, difficult, or demeaning tasks >or to initiate, as into a college fraternity, by playing rough practical >jokes on or exacting demeaning performances from." Snipe hunts at girls >camp are just a fun tradition and girls are not forced to participate in >them if they choose not to. We don't single out any individual and >humiliate or harm them ... it's just a fun game where the girls have some >fun ... and believe it or not, it creates some unity and memories for the >girls ... they talk about it for months! I have never heard it referred to >as a form of "initiation" in our stake so it's never been a concern to me. >I guess I would be uneasy if our girls considered it as such and would stop >it if it came to that ( I will have to talk to them about that! ). Now as >you must be aware, girls are different than boys! A boy's idea of fun >would not be the same as a girl's... that would make a difference! In our >stake snipe hunts aren't really planned - the girls all mention it before >and during camp but no one really takes the time to prepare something - >it's usually just done at camp. I remember about 7 years ago at a ward >camp out - one of the men (who is now the first counselor in our stake >presidency) took all the kids down to the stream late one night and had >them convinced that they saw snipes! The kids had a blast and even the >adults sitting back at the campfire had a laugh hearing the story when they >all got back! >A couple of years ago there was an adult leader at girls camp that was >strongly opposed to a snipe hunt because she considered it deceitful ... I >guess that was her opionion ... I happen to think it's all harmless fun, >but that's only my opinion ... and we are all entitled to have our opinion! > >Didn't mean for this to be so long! > >Marcia in NJ > > > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > Lynis Steadman steadman@powerup.com.au Brisbane, Australia - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:51:17 -0700 From: HETRICK Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Hazing snipe (snip) n., pl. snipe or snipes. [ME snype,prob. of Scand orig.] 1. a. A long-billed wading bird of the genus Capella, esp. the common, widely distributed species C. gallinago. b. a bird simular or related to the snipe. 2. A gunshot fired from a consealed place. - vi. This comes from the Webster's II New College Dictionary. In my multimedia encyclopedia there is a picture of one. Snipes are real. = You just can't catch one in the woods at night with a pellow case and flash light in your PJ's hitting two sticks or pots togeather saying sniiiippppeee, snnniiiippppeee over and over. Though it is a lot of fun playing this game! I enjoyed it when I was one "hunting" for them (my Mom & Dad took all us girls, my 4 sisters and I on a hunt when we were little.) I also enjoyed taking others on the "hunt." Jessica hetrick@prodigy.net - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:17:20 -0700 From: Brandon & Shiela Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. Kathy, I am glad to see you looking for info...It has put me to work looking through all of the GA's talks that I have available. I will for sure post anything I find. When I was a YW our yw leader simply told us "If it is a swimming suit that you would be comfortable wearing in front of your father and your bishop, then go ahead and bring it (to girl's camp)" After 10 years I have never forgotten that simple statement. It has lead me to make "better" decisions about the clothes I wear...that and the 40 some pounds that I have put on since High School Ü Yes there are very immodest one piece suits, that doesn't justify wearing a bikini. There is a catalog (it is on the web too) that designs modest swim wear so nobody can say that they can't be found now a days. I think it's called Lloyds End...it's "something's End" I'll look for the link too. Hang in there. I'll let you know what I find. Shiela Spokane WA The Salter's wrote: > Hi, > > I opened my big mouth on Sunday, and am now starting to regret not so much > what I said, but how I said it to the girls. It was concerning swimming > suits and youth conference. My preference would be that ALL the girls > would wear one-piece suits (especially since we'll be with the boys all > day), and this is where my search for info comes in. Is there an official > statement by the church that specifically states one piece suits are to be > worn by the girls. I know that in the past as far back as I can remember > (and that's a pretty long time) we have been told to wear a one-piece, and > if you choose to wear a two-piece, you'll have to wear a t-shirt over it. > But is the one-piece thing written anywhere? In the FSOY pamphlet, it only > makes reference to "immodest swimwear" As has been pointed out to me, some > one-piece swim suits can be a whole lot less modest than some of the > two-piece with shorts that are popular! > > I don't mean to open a can of worms, but if anyone has this info. I would > appreciate it! > > Thanks, > Kathy S. > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:18:40 -0700 From: Brandon & Shiela Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Hazing I think all this talk about "snip hunting" may be back firing...all I have are wonderful memories of "hunting" and taking others "hunting". Thanks for the laugh all. HETRICK wrote: > > "A SNIPE" "Where".......lol > A Snipe is about as real as "The Boogy Man" that was always waiting for > me under my bed. Ü > Karla> > > snipe (snip) n., pl. snipe or snipes. [ME snype,prob. of Scand orig.] > 1. a. A long-billed wading bird of the genus Capella, esp. the common, > widely distributed species C. gallinago. b. a bird simular or related > to the snipe. 2. A gunshot fired from a consealed place. - vi. > > This comes from the Webster's II New College Dictionary. In my > multimedia encyclopedia there is a picture of one. Snipes are real. > You just can't catch one in the woods at night with a pellow case and > flash light in your PJ's hitting two sticks or pots togeather saying > sniiiippppeee, snnniiiippppeee over and over. Though it is a lot of fun > playing this game! I enjoyed it when I was one "hunting" for them (my > Mom & Dad took all us girls, my 4 sisters and I on a hunt when we were > little.) I also enjoyed taking others on the "hunt." > Jessica > hetrick@prodigy.net > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:22:40 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Hazing In a message dated 98-06-23 19:03:44 EDT, Jessica wrote: << snipe (snip) n., pl. snipe or snipes. [ME snype,prob. of Scand orig.] 1. a. A long-billed wading bird of the genus Capella, esp. the common, widely distributed species C. gallinago. b. a bird simular or related to the snipe. 2. A gunshot fired from a consealed place. - vi. >> This is very interesting because I never knew what a snipe was. I was never fortunate enough to go snipe hunting, but always offered to take new youth on snipe hunts. Maybe the snipe hunt originally was when people actually hunted snipes, but most often when spoke about now, it is just a fun activity that helps pass time and can be used to scare people. Jared = ) - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:17:27 -0700 From: call_me_mac@juno.com Subject: (lds-yw) Retiring the Flag I so appreciate the idea of retiring a flag as a part of the Girl's camp experience. I suggested it to our Stake camp director and she has readily made room for it in our camp schedule following the campfire one evening. Our Stake YM's president is going to come to camp and do that for us. This past flag day I heard a beautiful rendition about the flag and I was able to track it down. We are going to give a copy to each young women after the flag retiring ceremony. I wanted to pass it along and I hope that it touches your patriotic heart as much as it did mine. I Am Your Flag I was born on July 4, 1777. I am more than just cloth shaped into a design. I am the refuge of the world's oppressed people. I am the silent sentinel of freedom. I am the emblem of the greatest sovereign nation on earth. I am an ensign for which American patriots gave their lives and fortunes. I have led your sons into battle from Valley Forge to the steaming, treacherous jungles of Vietnam. I walk in silence with each of your honored dead, to their final resting place beneath the silent white crosses-row upon row. I have flown through peace and war, strife and prosperity, and amidst it all I have been respected. My red stripes symbolize the blood spilled in defense of this glorious nation. My white stripes signify the burning tears shed by Americans who lost their sons. My blue field is indicative of God's heaven under which I fly. My stars, clustered together, unify 50 states as one, for God and country. "Old Glory" is my nickname, and proudly I wave on high. Honor me, respect me, defend me with your lives and your fortunes. Never let my enemies tear me down from my lofty position, lest I never return. Keep alight the fires of patriotism, strive earnestly for the spirit of democracy. Worship Eternal God and keep His commandments and I shall remain the bulwark of peace and freedom for all people. Maria Santa Maria, Calif. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:39:02 -0700 From: Stephen W Larimore Subject: (lds-yw) Laurle Project info A few months ago someone posted a story about a little girl who had been in a hospital that provided the children with colorful comforters for their hospital beds. Included was the hospital address that hand made comforters could be donated. Does anyone still have this? My daughter would like to make several quilts for a Laurel project and thought that it would nice to donate them to the hospital that was mentioned in the e-mail. If anyone still has the e-mail could you please post it. Thank You Jeri - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:41:24 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) YW Camp & church double standards? -Reply I agree. We've done away with all the pranks and jokes at camp because there always seemed to be a two-sided-ness to it all. The ones doing it to the others had a blast, the ones having it done to them felt stupid and demeaned. It is not a fun place to be when you are always the one being joked about or played tricks on. It always seems like the one who can least deal with the joke, is the one it always is played on. We do good-natured acts of service or warm fuzzy type things so no one feels picked on. Misty in Hollister - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:46:50 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. It's called Lands End and it is a great source for swim suits and shorts. Misty in Hollister - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:23:03 -0600 From: Colleen_Bester@transalta.com Subject: (lds-yw) Swimsuits Colleen Bester@TRANSALTA 23/06/98 06:23 PM Hi, It seems to me, when I was a youth (it seems like a LONG time ago...) there was an article in the New Era about swimsuits and what was modest. Maybe you could check in the index at your Church library, and find the article? I graduated from high school in 1986, so it was probably printed between 1980 and 1986. (Providing I'm not confused, or remembering incorrectly...) Colleen - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:26:17 -0800 From: "Dan Rostrom" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. Could you be talking about Land's End? - -----Original Message----- From: Brandon & Shiela To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 3:16 PM Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. >Kathy, > >I am glad to see you looking for info...It has put me to work looking through >all of the GA's talks that I have available. I will for sure post anyth= ing I >find. > >When I was a YW our yw leader simply told us "If it is a swimming suit t= hat you >would be comfortable wearing in front of your father and your bishop, th= en go >ahead and bring it (to girl's camp)" After 10 years I have never forgot= ten >that simple statement. It has lead me to make "better" decisions about = the >clothes I wear...that and the 40 some pounds that I have put on since Hi= gh >School =DC > >Yes there are very immodest one piece suits, that doesn't justify wearin= g a >bikini. There is a catalog (it is on the web too) that designs modest s= wim >wear so nobody can say that they can't be found now a days. I think it'= s >called Lloyds End...it's "something's End" I'll look for the link too. > >Hang in there. I'll let you know what I find. > >Shiela >Spokane WA > > >The Salter's wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I opened my big mouth on Sunday, and am now starting to regret not so much >> what I said, but how I said it to the girls. It was concerning swimmi= ng >> suits and youth conference. My preference would be that ALL the girls >> would wear one-piece suits (especially since we'll be with the boys al= l >> day), and this is where my search for info comes in. Is there an official >> statement by the church that specifically states one piece suits are t= o be >> worn by the girls. I know that in the past as far back as I can remem= ber >> (and that's a pretty long time) we have been told to wear a one-piece= , and >> if you choose to wear a two-piece, you'll have to wear a t-shirt over = it. >> But is the one-piece thing written anywhere? In the FSOY pamphlet, it only >> makes reference to "immodest swimwear" As has been pointed out to me, some >> one-piece swim suits can be a whole lot less modest than some of the >> two-piece with shorts that are popular! >> >> I don't mean to open a can of worms, but if anyone has this info. I wo= uld >> appreciate it! >> >> Thanks, >> Kathy S. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" >> with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. >> For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send >> "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:08:21 -0600 From: "The Salter's" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. >Yes there are very immodest one piece suits, that doesn't justify wearing a >bikini. Sheila, This is true. What I was making reference to were the shorts that come up to the girls waist, with the swim suit top. You actually see less of the girls figure than if they were wearing a one-piece swimsuit (at least on the bottom!) The top is about the same, and you see half of the stomach. Still, if I can find an official statement about one-pieces then my stand would remain that you just follow our leaders council. No question asked. Kathy S. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:17:30 -0700 From: "C.B. & Edie Fletcher" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. The catalog is called Landsend. and you can order on the net. - -----Original Message----- From: Brandon & Shiela To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 4:16 PM Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. >Kathy, > >I am glad to see you looking for info...It has put me to work looking through >all of the GA's talks that I have available. I will for sure post anyth= ing I >find. > >When I was a YW our yw leader simply told us "If it is a swimming suit t= hat you >would be comfortable wearing in front of your father and your bishop, th= en go >ahead and bring it (to girl's camp)" After 10 years I have never forgot= ten >that simple statement. It has lead me to make "better" decisions about = the >clothes I wear...that and the 40 some pounds that I have put on since Hi= gh >School =DC > >Yes there are very immodest one piece suits, that doesn't justify wearin= g a >bikini. There is a catalog (it is on the web too) that designs modest s= wim >wear so nobody can say that they can't be found now a days. I think it'= s >called Lloyds End...it's "something's End" I'll look for the link too. > >Hang in there. I'll let you know what I find. > >Shiela >Spokane WA > > >The Salter's wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I opened my big mouth on Sunday, and am now starting to regret not so much >> what I said, but how I said it to the girls. It was concerning swimmi= ng >> suits and youth conference. My preference would be that ALL the girls >> would wear one-piece suits (especially since we'll be with the boys al= l >> day), and this is where my search for info comes in. Is there an official >> statement by the church that specifically states one piece suits are t= o be >> worn by the girls. I know that in the past as far back as I can remem= ber >> (and that's a pretty long time) we have been told to wear a one-piece= , and >> if you choose to wear a two-piece, you'll have to wear a t-shirt over = it. >> But is the one-piece thing written anywhere? In the FSOY pamphlet, it only >> makes reference to "immodest swimwear" As has been pointed out to me, some >> one-piece swim suits can be a whole lot less modest than some of the >> two-piece with shorts that are popular! >> >> I don't mean to open a can of worms, but if anyone has this info. I wo= uld >> appreciate it! >> >> Thanks, >> Kathy S. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" >> with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. >> For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send >> "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:54:13 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. Kathy, We just had our Youth Conference this last weekend, and the girls were specifically told by the Stake to wear only one piece suits. No two piece ones were allowed. I'm not sure if this was just our stake or church policy. Judy in SLC - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:09:08 -0400 From: Sylvia Cabus Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Looking for info. The Salter's wrote: > > Hi, > > I opened my big mouth on Sunday, and am now starting to regret not so much > what I said, but how I said it to the girls. It was concerning swimming > suits and youth conference. My preference would be that ALL the girls > would wear one-piece suits (especially since we'll be with the boys all > day), and this is where my search for info comes in. Is there an official > statement by the church that specifically states one piece suits are to be > worn by the girls. I know that in the past as far back as I can remember > (and that's a pretty long time) we have been told to wear a one-piece, and > if you choose to wear a two-piece, you'll have to wear a t-shirt over it. > But is the one-piece thing written anywhere? In the FSOY pamphlet, it only > makes reference to "immodest swimwear" As has been pointed out to me, some > one-piece swim suits can be a whole lot less modest than some of the > two-piece with shorts that are popular! > > I don't mean to open a can of worms, but if anyone has this info. I would > appreciate it! > > Thanks, > Kathy S. > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. you might try the "All About Mormons" website: http://www.mormons.org There was an article against "passionate kissing", I'm sure there's something about bathing suits! - -- Sylvia Cabus The Johns Hopkins University - School of Advanced International Studies The Centre for Development and Population Activities http://www.cedpa.org SylviaCabus@cedpa.org - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:53:24 +1200 From: Antonia Solomon Subject: (lds-yw) Stake Combined AP/YW Camp/Conference Help! As Stake YW president, I am feeling kinda hesitant about sharing my feelings (for fear of being labeled some kind of dissident, or whatever ...) about how I see my role and that of other leaders when it comes to planning and implementing combined stake camp/conference activities. I would love to hear what you think. Put simply, I feel the youth should have major input in planning, preparing and implementing programs and we, as leaders, should always be there to guide them, offer assistance and advice, ensure that aims/objectives are achieved, activities meet the required standards, and that in the end the youth feel THEY have grown (spiritually as well as temporally) not only because of the activities they have participated in but perhaps equally - if not more importantly - because of the ideas they have put forward for the camp/conference program and seeing their ideas succeed or learning from mistakes that may have been made. Recently, our Stake held a combined "Conference" which was held in a camp setting. I'm still trying to figure out if it was a conference or a camp? The entire activity was planned and implemented by the Stake Presidency counselor/advisor to the youth. Is this normal? I accept that our stake activities are presided over by the Stake Presidency, but I was somewhat disappointed that during the preparation period, youth suggestions and ideas were actually set aside in favor of the advisor's own ideas for what the youth should do. Even as a youth leader, the only input I had throughout the entire activity was that of ensuring that the ablution blocks were cleaned by myself and other ward leaders. That was our assignment. I have absolutely no problem with cleaning toilets, I usually do it anyway, but would have preferred having the youth take responsibility for this activity along with other responsibilities that I personally felt they should have been involved in. During the two Sunday sessions held, no-one from the Youth Stake Leadership was invited to participate. Testimony bearing, which is such a special time for youth, was taken over by leaders and bishops who, it appeared to me anyway, did not appreciate that some youth do take a little time to muster up courage to stand before a large crowd, and the few seconds of silence between testimonies became instant opportunities for leaders to take the time, resulting in the majority of the time being taken up by the leaders. (Wow, that's a long-winded sentence. Hope you understand what I am trying to say.) I love the youth with all my heart and thank my Heavenly Father daily for the wonderful opportunity He has given me to serve our youth. Up until now, I thought I knew what my role as Stake YW President was, but after this recent activity where I felt that both the youth and we, as youth leaders, were totally shut out of the planning and preparation process, I am not so sure anymore. I know our youth enjoyed their time together despite the cold conditions (It is mid-winter here in New Zealand but no snow where we are!), but they are a wonderful and very accepting group of young people. My concerns are: how much did they grow, considering everything was done for them, and - at the risk of sounding disrespectful to Priesthood authority which I am ABSOLUTELY NOT BEING - how much input by the Stake Presidency advisor, is 'normal'. Also, what do other Stake YW Presidencies and Priesthood Advisors see as their role in such activities and what is the extent of their involvement? In previous camps we have organised, the youth have been made to feel, in a big way, that they planned and organised practically everything from arranging transport, to working within a budget to provide food, to planning daily activities and rostering chores, to planning and conducting the Sunday sessions, etc. We have always been there of course to add little words of encouragement and wisdom and where necessary, to make alternative suggestions. We will be holding an evaluation meeting next Wednesday. Your comments/help to set me on the right track, would be greatly appreciated. I am 28 years of age, and have been Stake YW president for almost 2 years having previously served as Ward YW president and counselor since I was 22 years of age. I obviously still have a lot to learn!! Thank you in anticipation. Antonia Solomon - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:12:58 -0600 From: "JOAN COULLIETTE" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Scones and stuff I've made a honey butter recipe from the Lion House cookbook which includ= es a raw egg. Don't know how you would "cook" it and still have the recipe turn out right. Maybe over a warm water bath? We've used this recipe ma= ny times with no illnesses. . . Joan in SLC I had just been deleting all the scone stuff until I read one-I thought scones were just hard biscuit-like triangles and I don't like them. But "Mormon" scones are like elephant ears? I do know how to make those. I = was wondering why anyone would get excited over the dry things I had had befo= re called scones! About the honey butter-do you heat the egg or anything in any way? I am afraid of raw eggs since a family bout with salmonella from cookie dough-= is the egg necessary? Just wondering if there is a way to make this so I am not afraid to eat it! =DC Stacey thanks for the folder forms! =DC - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:37:07 +0000 From: thehappyhouse Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Stake Combined AP/YW Camp/Conference I agree with you. In my many years of service to the youth; it has always been stressed that the youth need to take part in the planning of activities; which further prepares them for future responsibility. If we just do everything for them and they just sit back and take no part then what are we teaching them? Also, from experience, I have seen some youth with excellant ideas for activities etc... Also, even if it takes a little time to get the courage up to bare one's testimony those quiet moments are sacred moments to reflect on our Savior. And when they do get up there are some really special testimonies born; so pure and sincere. What neat youth we've been blessed with in this day and time! They are the leaders of the future! I am so thankful for these special experiences that I've been blessed with. These youth can teach us so many neat things if we but listen and give them a chance. I didn't mean to make this so long but I do think you are on the right track. Mimi - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:21:22 -0700 From: "Bill/Sue Guest" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) YW in Excellence > Anyway, what I'm wondering is >if anyone has thought of a theme for this night. We are a brand new >presidency so we're just getting introduced into the whole thing and the theme >for the year, Check with your stake YW presidency to see if you are having the World Wide Celebration on a stake basis. In our stake we are, so the wards have been given the option of holding their own YWIE program or foregoing it this year for the WWC (and that is according to the guidelines of the WWC we were given this year) Sue in OR - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:30:55 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Stake Combined AP/YW Camp/Conference Antonia, 28 and Stake YW President? WOW! I served for 11 years as the Stake YW Secretary. I was involved in the planning of many, many youth conferences. We always had youth input and involvement. You are completely on the right track. It only takes reading the YW handbook to reinforce how critical the training given to them and the opportunities they have to serve are. After working many years in YW, I am now often working side by side with women that I was counselor or advisor to when they were youth. I really understand even more now how critical their involvement was. We have the golden opportunity to train our youth to be the future leaders of the church. I seen leaders who felt the way your Stake Presidency counselor/advisor to the youth did and they weren't effective in their callings. Maybe he is just learning too. Whenever we have testimony meeting - at camp or after a youth conference, adult leaders are asked to not stand and bear their testimony, that it is the youth's time. Sometimes the person conducting will ask one or two adults to start the testimonies as representatives of all the adults present. Always the meeting ends with many youth still in line waiting their turn. It usually starts slow, but the momentum really builds. I am just amazed that your stake has camping conferences. We have not been allowed to have them for many years with one exception when the YW and YM camped in separate locations, this was according to guidelines our stake president received from SLC. Good luck at your evaluation meeting! Ginger - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:17:27 -0700 From: "Alexa Dudoit" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) YW Camp & church double standards? -Reply My daughter went through a incident at camp when it was her first year there. she was so upset that she told me she never wanted to go back to camp again if that was how it was going to be... She was given a award that offended her greatly. It was really hard for me to convince her to go back to camp the second year. I spoke with the YW Pres. and expressed my deep concern as I also come from a part member household. She told me that that's what they do in camp each year. I always felt very strongly about pranks and such. And what limits are put on them if at all... This year my daughter's thrid year we had a wonderful camp director and a awesome camp. Although our girls here in Hawaii are use to having there camp at the beaches they went to the forest reserve. It was very cold, gloomy, and wet for most of the camp. The girls spent alot of time bonding with one another and the spirit was really there. No one bother with "sniping" on the last night... it was so wonderful and our testimony meeting was another awesome experience. Maybe it was just too cold to get up early to play practical jokes but it was a very memoriable camp. Thanks so much for your thoughts. I feel the same way too. Someone always get hurt at the expense of another... and I know that that is not the Lords ways. - ---------- > From: thehappyhouse > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) YW Camp & church double standards? -Reply > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 6:54 AM > > Rick, your comments really made me think....what would the Savior do? He > probably wouldn't do a snipe hunt for sure. So, then we must all think > is this something he is pleased with. I have seen some girls in camp who > couldn't handle this type of teasing. And one girl a few years ago in > our Stake camp got so scared that she hypervenilated and passed out. I > know that is an extreme case and all should not be based on this one > girl.But, if we remember that as we've done it to the least of us we > have also done it to the Lord. Thus, comes the question, would we really > want to take the Lord on a snipe hunt and humiliate him? Just a > thought..Mimi > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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