From: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-yw-digest) To: lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-yw-digest V1 #192 Reply-To: lds-yw-digest Sender: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-yw-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-yw-digest Thursday, July 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 192 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:16:31 -0700 From: "John Palmer" Subject: (lds-yw) YW in Excellence This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BDB092.09F050E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ricki- Thank you for all of the wonderful ideas!! I appreciate you taking = the time to share them. Cheryl Palmer - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BDB092.09F050E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Ricki-

Thank you for all of the = wonderful=20 ideas!! I appreciate you taking the time to share = them.

Cheryl = Palmer

- ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BDB092.09F050E0-- - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:02 -0800 From: "Dan&KayRostrom" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Early education on morality Kids naturally have questions starting as young as one. We should answer them simple and correct in age appropriate language and not go off on EVERYTHING when they ask one question. Where do babies come from? You would not go into sex with a four year old. That's not what they're really asking anyway. I certainly would agree to ask that the spirit guide you in your efforts. Kay - -----Original Message----- From: Karina Tonn To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:55 PM Subject: (lds-yw) Early education on morality >A word of caution about early education... Our Primary President was >telling me about a neighbor who felt that her (the neighbor's) seven >year old should know everything there was to know about sex. A few days >after telling him all about it, she was babysitting a seven-year-old >girl and caught her son trying what he had been taught with this little >girl! These people were not LDS, so I would hope that teaching by the >Spirit would prevent this from happening, but I also think part of >teaching by the Spirit includes being sensitive to the timing of the >lesson. >Karina > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:56:20 -0700 From: Lance Proffit Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What to do? -Reply I wonder who the "they" who suggested not showing it to the youth were. Every ward in our stake showed it to the RS/MP together and then the AP and YW separately. The YW need to think ahead about these decisions. If a young lady becomes pregnant, it will be much easier for her to make the right choice if she knows the prophet's counsel. Too many of these YW keep these babies rather than providing them with a mother and a father. Lance Proffit >>> "Dee Lynn" 07/16/98 01:31pm >>> Thanks for the info about the video Ali. Do you happen to know what it is called? The YW in question married the baby's father a couple days after she told the bishop she was pregnant, but it would still be good to pick things from the video that we could use in a lesson. Diana >From owner-lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Thu Jul 16 13:22:33 1998 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0ywuUh-0004PZ-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:11 -0600 >Received: from (concord.televar.com) [208.8.131.83] (root) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0ywuUb-0004PA-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:07 -0600 >Received: from gbzrypeq (coeuruser048.televar.com [208.8.139.239]) > by concord.televar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18392 > for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:19:01 - -0700 (PDT) >Message-ID: <008801bdb0f6$957729e0$ef8b08d0@gbzrypeq> >From: "Rob & Ali" >To: "Young Women List" >Subject: (lds-yw) What to do? >Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:59:34 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDB0B9.94692900" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Sender: owner-lds-yw@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > >There is a video out now that should help the young woman that is = >pregnant make the right choices from there. It is through the church = >social services program. You should be able to call the social services = >person in your stake to request it. We watched it as a combined = >priesthood, and relief society meeting a couple of weeks ago. They = >suggest not showing it to the youth for obvious reasons, but I think it = >would be good to get some suggestions from, and at least help the = >troubled young woman. >Pregnant teens is a very emotional issue for me because we live in a = >nice home, we're financially stable, temple marriage, active members, = >and can't have a baby. So, I question myself sometimes to make sure I = >am giving the best advice to the young woman, and not what I would = >emotionally want. =20 >Just in case they are unclear as to what video, it is about helping the = >youth in those circumstances make the right decision for the = >child...marriage or adoption. >I think everyone in the youth program should watch this video, because I = >think it was Susan who said that we are in for more situations like = >these. I think she's right. We need to know what to do in these = >situations so we don't have all the horrible deaths of infants because = >youth outside of the church don't know what to do. If we can teach our = >youth, hopefully, they can teach their friends. >Just my two cents. I'm sure you all have decided I'm a little = >opinionated, but only on a few topics. >Ali > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:58 -0700 From: Lance Proffit Subject: (lds-yw) Early education on morality -Reply The church publication "A Parent's Guide" is an excellent resource to know what is appropriate for different ages. >>> Karina Tonn 07/16/98 01:50pm >>> A word of caution about early education... Our Primary President was telling me about a neighbor who felt that her (the neighbor's) seven year old should know everything there was to know about sex. A few days after telling him all about it, she was babysitting a seven-year-old girl and caught her son trying what he had been taught with this little girl! These people were not LDS, so I would hope that teaching by the Spirit would prevent this from happening, but I also think part of teaching by the Spirit includes being sensitive to the timing of the lesson. Karina - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:11:39 -0700 From: "Rob & Ali" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What to do? - -----Original Message----- From: Dee Lynn To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 01:35 PM Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What to do? >Thanks for the info about the video Ali. Do you happen to know what it >is called? The YW in question married the baby's father a couple days >after she told the bishop she was pregnant, but it would still be good >to pick things from the video that we could use in a lesson. >Diana Diana, The video is called Adoption for unwed parents. I called the local social service here in spokane. They said that the Bishop of the wards should have a phone number for your local one. They offer different things for the girls. Such as paying for the medical bills if they will do adoption, free counseling, free group sessions. There is a help line in SLC that they can call for advice, ask for their options, that number is (800)537-2229. It's called the Help Line for Unplanned Pregnancy. If they are going to adopt, they can also leave for part of the pregnancy to a foster home sponsored by LDS social services in a different town. Your best bet would be to talk to your bishop, he should have all of this info for your area. Ali > >>From owner-lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Thu Jul 16 13:22:33 1998 >>Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) >> id 0ywuUh-0004PZ-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:11 -0600 >>Received: from (concord.televar.com) [208.8.131.83] (root) >> by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) >> id 0ywuUb-0004PA-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:07 -0600 >>Received: from gbzrypeq (coeuruser048.televar.com [208.8.139.239]) >> by concord.televar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18392 >> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:19:01 -0700 (PDT) >>Message-ID: <008801bdb0f6$957729e0$ef8b08d0@gbzrypeq> >>From: "Rob & Ali" >>To: "Young Women List" >>Subject: (lds-yw) What to do? >>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:59:34 -0700 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDB0B9.94692900" >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >>Sender: owner-lds-yw@lists.xmission.com >>Precedence: bulk >>Reply-To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com >> >>There is a video out now that should help the young woman that is = >>pregnant make the right choices from there. It is through the church = >>social services program. You should be able to call the social >services = >>person in your stake to request it. We watched it as a combined = >>priesthood, and relief society meeting a couple of weeks ago. They = >>suggest not showing it to the youth for obvious reasons, but I think it >= >>would be good to get some suggestions from, and at least help the = >>troubled young woman. >>Pregnant teens is a very emotional issue for me because we live in a = >>nice home, we're financially stable, temple marriage, active members, = >>and can't have a baby. So, I question myself sometimes to make sure I >= >>am giving the best advice to the young woman, and not what I would = >>emotionally want. =20 >>Just in case they are unclear as to what video, it is about helping >the = >>youth in those circumstances make the right decision for the = >>child...marriage or adoption. >>I think everyone in the youth program should watch this video, because >I = >>think it was Susan who said that we are in for more situations like = >>these. I think she's right. We need to know what to do in these = >>situations so we don't have all the horrible deaths of infants because >= >>youth outside of the church don't know what to do. If we can teach our >= >>youth, hopefully, they can teach their friends. >>Just my two cents. I'm sure you all have decided I'm a little = >>opinionated, but only on a few topics. >>Ali >> >> >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:25:16 -0700 From: "Rob & Ali" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What to do? -Reply When it was presented to us, the representative from social services said that they did not plan on showing it to all of the youth because so many of them, in their naivete, think that "if this ever happened to me, look how easy it would be to solve the problem" Unfortunately, they do see it as playing house, and don't see the importance that each child born is a child of God and should be treated and respected as such. I know a woman who had a child before she graduated from high school, and she did everything in her power to make sure her children knew that even though she is married in the temple now, to the father of that child, that doesn't mean that she feels that everything is okay emotionally within herself. She fought a lot of battles and she walked her children through them all! So they would know better. (hopefully) To this day, two of four children are married happily in the Temple, the other two are still in high school. Approx. 10 years separate the older two from the younger. Sorry, too long. I just wanted to share. Ali - -----Original Message----- From: Lance Proffit To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 03:00 PM Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What to do? -Reply >I wonder who the "they" who suggested not showing it to the youth >were. Every ward in our stake showed it to the RS/MP together and then >the AP and YW separately. The YW need to think ahead about these >decisions. If a young lady becomes pregnant, it will be much easier for >her to make the right choice if she knows the prophet's counsel. Too >many of these YW keep these babies rather than providing them with a >mother and a father. > >Lance Proffit > >>>> "Dee Lynn" 07/16/98 01:31pm >>> >Thanks for the info about the video Ali. Do you happen to know what it >is called? The YW in question married the baby's father a couple days >after she told the bishop she was pregnant, but it would still be good >to pick things from the video that we could use in a lesson. >Diana > >>From owner-lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Thu Jul 16 13:22:33 1998 >>Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) >> id 0ywuUh-0004PZ-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:11 -0600 >>Received: from (concord.televar.com) [208.8.131.83] (root) >> by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) >> id 0ywuUb-0004PA-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:07 -0600 >>Received: from gbzrypeq (coeuruser048.televar.com [208.8.139.239]) >> by concord.televar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18392 >> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:19:01 >-0700 (PDT) >>Message-ID: <008801bdb0f6$957729e0$ef8b08d0@gbzrypeq> >>From: "Rob & Ali" >>To: "Young Women List" >>Subject: (lds-yw) What to do? >>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:59:34 -0700 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDB0B9.94692900" >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >>Sender: owner-lds-yw@lists.xmission.com >>Precedence: bulk >>Reply-To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com >> >>There is a video out now that should help the young woman that is = >>pregnant make the right choices from there. It is through the church = >>social services program. You should be able to call the social >services = >>person in your stake to request it. We watched it as a combined = >>priesthood, and relief society meeting a couple of weeks ago. They = >>suggest not showing it to the youth for obvious reasons, but I think it >= >>would be good to get some suggestions from, and at least help the = >>troubled young woman. >>Pregnant teens is a very emotional issue for me because we live in a = >>nice home, we're financially stable, temple marriage, active members, = >>and can't have a baby. So, I question myself sometimes to make sure I >= >>am giving the best advice to the young woman, and not what I would = >>emotionally want. =20 >>Just in case they are unclear as to what video, it is about helping >the = >>youth in those circumstances make the right decision for the = >>child...marriage or adoption. >>I think everyone in the youth program should watch this video, because >I = >>think it was Susan who said that we are in for more situations like = >>these. I think she's right. We need to know what to do in these = >>situations so we don't have all the horrible deaths of infants because >= >>youth outside of the church don't know what to do. If we can teach our > >= >>youth, hopefully, they can teach their friends. >>Just my two cents. I'm sure you all have decided I'm a little = >>opinionated, but only on a few topics. >>Ali >> >> >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:33:54 -0700 From: "Rob & Ali" Subject: (lds-yw) good books This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BDB0CF.24102A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, one more thought on the issue of unwed mothers. =20 One book that is good to read, and a novel so some of the older girls = might like it is: My Life Is Mine by Shirley Sealy Covenant Publishers The back cover says: MY LIFE IS MINE deals with some of life's most important issues such as = morality, abortion, and the worth of each person. The challenges of = youth are recognized and faced head-on. I got this book when I was a senior in high school. My mom got it for = me for the title. (I was having a control issue. Like most kids.) = I've read it a few times since. It's not scripture, but definitely = falls in the "good book" category. There is a hard cover copy called To Save a Life also. Ali - ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BDB0CF.24102A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, one more thought on the issue = of unwed=20 mothers.

One book that is good to read, and a = novel so=20 some of the older girls might like it is:

My Life Is Mine by = Shirley=20 Sealy Covenant Publishers

The back cover says:

MY LIFE IS MINE deals = with some=20 of life's most important issues such as morality, abortion, and the = worth of=20 each person. The challenges of youth are recognized and faced=20 head-on.

I got this book when I was a senior = in high=20 school. My mom got it for me for the title. (I was having a = control=20 issue. Like most kids.) I've read it a few times = since. It's=20 not scripture, but definitely falls in the "good book"=20 category.

There is a hard cover copy called = To Save a=20 Life also.

Ali

- ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BDB0CF.24102A80-- - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:17:30 -0400 From: Karina Tonn Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Early education on morality This reminds me of the year I was pregnant with my first child and taught Sunbeams (age 3). Are you all familiar with the lesson on babies being special, or some such thing? Well, we had covered this and talked about Spirits coming down from Heaven. A few weeks later, we were reviewing the thought during another lesson, and in my ignorance, I asked, "Where do babies come from?" I thought they would say, "Heaven." One little girl jumped up and said, "I know! They come out from between mommy's legs!" I thought I would faint! Her mom had recently given birth, so I guess she had been educated in more detail than I had known. This same Sunbeam liked to poke me, and say, "That's where babies get their milk." None of the other children seemed to give notice to any of her comments on the facts of life. With my recent pregnancy, my four-year-old has become an expert on gestation. I wonder what gems she's been sharing with her Sunday School class! Dan&KayRostrom wrote: > Kids naturally have questions starting as young as one. We should answer > them simple and correct in age appropriate language and not go off on > EVERYTHING when they ask one question. Where do babies come from? You > would not go into sex with a four year old. That's not what they're really > asking anyway. I certainly would agree to ask that the spirit guide you in > your efforts. Kay > -----Original Message----- > From: Karina Tonn > To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com > Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:55 PM > Subject: (lds-yw) Early education on morality > > >A word of caution about early education... Our Primary President was > >telling me about a neighbor who felt that her (the neighbor's) seven > >year old should know everything there was to know about sex. A few days > >after telling him all about it, she was babysitting a seven-year-old > >girl and caught her son trying what he had been taught with this little > >girl! These people were not LDS, so I would hope that teaching by the > >Spirit would prevent this from happening, but I also think part of > >teaching by the Spirit includes being sensitive to the timing of the > >lesson. > >Karina > > > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:33:39 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? Dear Sister, We have a 17 year old Laurel pregnant. It has been (as YW pres) one of the hardest things I've had to dealt with. What she is going to do is still up in the air, but really "blew me away" was when she said to me that she had talked to the bishop, he was having her read "The Miracle of Forgiveness" by Kimball, and he (bishop) was actually talking like she should feel GUILTY or something?! CAn you believe that? Just then, I realized that we teach until we're blue in the face not to date until you're 15, never be in a car along with a man, don't let a guy unbutton your blouse, etc. etc. etc., but do we actually talk about the seiousness of the SIN? WE haven't here. WE brush over ("go to the bishop: "you can be forgiven") BUT>>>>> we haven't discussed the seriousness of the sin.. That's where I fell I went wrong and will change my course of direction. I also heard when I saw the SS film that it WAS NOT for the general YW population. AND according the the First Presidency message, girls should NOT be keeping their babies and living with parents. They should be getting married, or adopting out. Good luck in this very difficult situation. Shellie - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:45:59 -0800 From: "Dan&KayRostrom" Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? It must be heart wrenching for one of your YW to be sexually active and to get pregnant. I have only been in yw for a year so that hasn't happened. It did happen to our ward about 8 years ago and I remember the ward was divided by it. Some thinking it was great for the girl to live with her parents and keep the baby ( give me a break) others pulling for adoption. The yw's president at the time went against the bishops counsel and gave her a baby shower!! WHAT WAS SHE THINKING?? I remember her saying it's not the babies fault. We really need to listen to the counsel of our leaders. .....This is one of my scariest topics and in our family prayers I usually ask that our children (none teens yet) will stay strong in the gospel and stay morally clean. IT'S SO SCARY!!!!!. - -----Original Message----- girls From: DSLCM@aol.com To: lds-yw@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 5:36 PM Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? >Dear Sister, >We have a 17 year old Laurel pregnant. It has been (as YW pres) one of the >hardest things I've had to dealt with. What she is going to do is still up in >the air, but really "blew me away" was when she said to me that she had talked >to the bishop, he was having her read "The Miracle of Forgiveness" by Kimball, >and he (bishop) was actually talking like she should feel GUILTY or >something?! CAn you believe that? Just then, I realized that we teach until >we're blue in the face not to date until you're 15, never be in a car along >with a man, don't let a guy unbutton your blouse, etc. etc. etc., but do we >actually talk about the seiousness of the SIN? WE haven't here. WE brush >over ("go to the bishop: "you can be forgiven") BUT>>>>> >we haven't discussed the seriousness of the sin.. That's where I fell I went >wrong and will change my course of direction. > >I also heard when I saw the SS film that it WAS NOT for the general YW >population. AND >according the the First Presidency message, girls should NOT be keeping their >babies and living with parents. They should be getting married, or adopting >out. >Good luck in this very difficult situation. >Shellie > >- > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:45:18 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? In a message dated 98-07-16 14:48:10 EDT, you write: << I agree 100% Kay! I also think we should discuss in R.S. (priesthood) how to show our daughters (and sons) love so they really believe we do. I think in our minds we do show it but in the minds of our children? - they sometimes don't process the same information the same way. I have always believed in the Father-daughter Date once a month. This lets daughters see appropriate male behavior long before they get it from young men. It also lets them feel good about themselves. Liz >> Thought I would jump in & mention one thought here that I remembered while reading this post.. many of us are very affectionate & cuddly with our babies, toddlers & small children... but those children need that physical love just as much as they get older. That is often the time that adults back off... at a time when teenagers need MORE. Maybe we fear being "inappropriate"... but I heard once in a lesson by a very wise woman (who was talking on teaching our children morality) that we need to continue that appropriate affection with our older children (moms & dads to both sons & daughters)... or they will look to find it elsewhere... I'm talking hugs, kisses, rubbing or scratching their back, putting our arms around them sitting in church or on the sofa watching a movie, touching their arm or shoulder in a natural way as we talk to them or they to us, etc. That made sense to me & I appreciated her pointing that out. Why would a teenager not need that physical affection, while small children & adults need it? Teenagers need it too! Our Bishop tells us to hug & appropriately touch those we serve. He does! (In fact, he kisses my husband - his counselor- smack on his cheek... he says he is a little more careful with the women as to not give the wrong idea - no kisses- but I get a big bear hug EVERY time I see him!) As leaders & parents it would be well to remember that each person has that need for physical affection & love... teens & pre-teens especially, because often everyone backs off from them! Food for thought. Stacey - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:59:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What to do? In a message dated 98-07-16 16:36:21 EDT, you write: << Thanks for the info about the video Ali. Do you happen to know what it is called? The YW in question married the baby's father a couple days after she told the bishop she was pregnant, but it would still be good to pick things from the video that we could use in a lesson. Diana >> Isn't it called Unwed Mothers? or something like that? I could be really wrong on the title, but our Bishop showed it to our ym & yw & us leaders & talked to the kids quite frankly. Also, with any young woman in this situation, I know he would sit them in his office, with her parents, & with the boy (if he were around) and show the video & counsel with them. Luckily, we haven't had that problem... but I know he did that with someone who was in that situation & just "passing through" our ward. Stacey - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:09:56 -0600 From: mumoffour@juno.com (Hatti P Miller) Subject: (lds-yw) Re: LDS Radio Broadcast I was asked about the LDS radio broadcast that is presented by Bonneville International. LDS music, conference talks, BYU devotionals, etc. are broadcast most all day over satellite, dish or by purchasing a special radio. You can find out more about the LDS station by calling Bonneville International at 1-801- 575-7663 (Salt Lake City) or look them up on the internet at www.LDSradio.com. When you call you will receive the options of: #1 - how to receive the network - by satellite, dish or radio #2 - how to purchase the radio #3 - program information #4 - how to advertise on the LDS network #5 - how to receive the signal in your area I know they broadcast in many places all over the world. Good Luck Marki _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrea Olson Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? This is one of the reasons that I am giving a combined lesson the Proclamation this Sunday. But I would like to put in my $.02 about adoption. My husband and I adopted last year and what a blessing it is in our lives. I can't imagine my life without my little girl. What is funny is that she really looks like my husband and me. These special spirits need to be in families where they can be sealed for eternity and given an opportunity to live a normal family life. We need to let the girls know what the Prophet says about this issue and they all need to be taught that sexual sins are considered an abomination (Alma 39:4-5). I love that song by Michael McLean "From my arms to yours" (?) because it puts a YW's feelings into words. Good luck with your situation. I'm YW President in my ward and I pray I never have to deal with this situation. - ---Dee Lynn wrote: > > Thank you all for your wonderful advice about handling our pregnancy > problem. Our presidency really feels like we're going to need a lot of > help on this one. It's really tough to try and make the girls > understand what a tragedy these things are and how they can throw your > life into spin cycle. One of the big problem we see with this comes > from the two YW who got pregnant last year. Both girls kept their > babies and are living at home with their parents. I know that it's > important that they have the support of their parents, but I don't think > the other YW see how hard it would be otherwise. Even the younger > sisters of the "YW mothers" don't see their older sisters struggling > yet, and therefor get a false sense of how bad the situation really is. > One of the young mothers spends her paycheck at Baby Gap instead of > saving it for the future, when she might find that she really needs it. > I think it's important to teach them how hard it is to raise a child on > their own, but I also think it's more important to teach them why they > should avoid the type of behavior that would lead to that in the first > place. How do you teach the importance of moral cleanliness when > everything around them tries to convince them otherwise? Please, keep > sending your advice. This is one that's going to take a lot of prayers. > Diana > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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