From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) go again (MTV f***ed mix) Date: 01 Sep 1998 13:54:18 +0200 On Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 03:36:24PM -0400, Steve Giles wrote: > A friend saw this and told me that MTV screwed it all up. First of all, they > played the Woodtick mix over the self-titled version's video. You'd see Moby > shout "go!" but you wouldn't hear it cause it would be in the wrong place. > Secondly, the video was listed as directed by Richard Hall & Moby. Hehehe... I cant believe how people have balls to take things they dont know and introduce them as if they were friends for life... > Let's hear some reviews on those Honey CDs! Opinions, whatever! Don't be > silent, or your keyboard may get angry at you. Shit... I havent heard any of'em, yet. Waiting that guy who went UK to come back... > I went to a rave Saturday night, and throughout the course of the evening I > spoke w/ lots of people. Whenever music came up I'd mention Moby just to see > if anyone else there listens to him. Nobody. Nor could anyone name the DJs > that were playing, and only about 30% of the people danced. We have a crap > scene in Chicago. It's all about drugs & selfishness. The promoters turned > off the water to sell more in bottles, I've they turned off water, that's in part because there should be a lot of syntethic shit over there... It's a pity, but I dont care about it, cause I'm not fond of that stuff. -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Toll taxes on Music (why?) Date: 01 Sep 1998 13:59:38 +0200 This morning, I've received a couple of books I bought thru web at Amazon. I had to pay no toll taxes, and it felt it strange, cause I always see my cash go when I get CDs. Ok, rights, musicians rights... But what about if I ask for a thing that is *not* released in my country (Spain) ? I feel that this is unfair. Just a thought. I will keep on saving money to buy overseas (when there's no other option, of course). A note: In my favourite record store, there werent almost any Moby records until I started buying them. Maybe there're more people interested in Moby in my city, maybe not (I doubt the latter). I've been thinking in leaving a note on those discs, with my email and a "If you like Moby, then we're two!" :) -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) moby mixes for sale in LA Date: 01 Sep 1998 15:46:50 -0400 Jonathan Ruano wrote: >I've they turned off water, that's in part because there should be a lot >of syntethic shit over there... It's a pity, but I dont care about it, cause >I'm not fond of that stuff. No, there IS lots of 'synthetics', but the major one is E, which requires lots of water to work, (from what they tell me) and the promoters aren't stupid. They're devious, in fact. Well, nobody knew about Ultra Vivid Scene, Soulfly, or the Clash tribute. Maybe someone can tell me about Moby's involvement with Flipper? Anyone? FYI: The Vocal Dance version of ATINITBL is the same as the (MV) version, as far as I can tell. http://freespace.virgin.net/vinyl.music/ ETYTM 12" promo (listed as US promo, but the only US promo is a double-pack. maybe UK?) FSR CD #2 http://www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/ All of these except for the Lydon full-length are priced under $10. B52S - Revolution Earth 12" (All 3 Moby mixes of this song) (6 copies in stock) B52S - Revolution Earth CD promo (reprise 5677, Daniel) (CO2 Edit only) (6 copies) B52S - Good Stuff (both formats, buncha different ones w/ Schottische mix) Shamen - Make It Mine 12" (All 3 Moby mixes + 1 other version) (3 copies) Fortran 5 - Heart On The Line (w/ Voodoo Child & Bassline mixes) (1 copy on 12", 2 on CD) John Lydon - Sun 12" (3 copies) (has Moby's mix of Grave Ride) John Lydon - Psycho's Path full length CD (has Moby's mix of Grave Ride) Pet Shop Boys - Was It Worth It? 12" (2 copies w/ Miserablism Electro Mix) ----- This site was last updated on the 26th, and some items listed are gone because I bought them. They still have everything you see above, though. -Steve G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "denika pratt" Subject: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 01 Sep 1998 21:49:19 PDT Hello everybody. My name's Denika. I'm 18 and just recently became aware of the great Moby (two months ago, to be exact). I heard about him from an acquaintance who was praising his works. I took a trip to the music store and bought the only Moby cd they had: "I Like to Score". From then on I knew Moby was it. I followed up that cd with: -Ambient -Animal Rights -Move -Rare:The Collected B-Sides -(Go:The Collected Mixes -Everything is Wrong <---(my personal favorite!) -Disk (which doesn't work on my computer, ugh) and my most recent addition...The End of Everything. I joined this list in hopes of learning more about Moby and about other people's thoughts and impressions of him. Later. d ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) moby mixes for sale in LA Date: 01 Sep 1998 23:50:45 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Giles > Well, nobody knew about Ultra Vivid Scene, Soulfly, or the Clash tribute. > Maybe someone can tell me about Moby's involvement with Flipper? Anyone? > I don't know about UVS. I know moby did the Soulfly remix for free, in lieu of receiving $30,000 each for mixes of Elton John and Ace of Base. The mix may be a promo or vinyl only type of deal. And Moby played drums in Flipper. And as far as I know, the Clash tribute record isn't out yet. Though you can get a killer edit of the Voodoo Child "Dog Heaven" (extended mix) by surfing to http://www.ricochetmusic.com BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 01:17:44 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 4:58:55 AM, delva21@HOTMAIL.COM writes: <<-Disk (which doesn't work on my computer, ugh)>> You know, you shouldn't worry that it doesn't work. No one can make it work. As for me, I don't even own DISK even though I see it in the store everytime I go. But I am mentioning this because I did just buy the BT Remember single and the Enhanced Single as well, and it was a hell of a time trying to get it to work, but eventually it did. I was wondering if there is anyone who has made DISK work by actually using the program instead of cheating? Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 00:14:08 -0700 welcome, sounds like you've done pretty well starting your Moby collection out in two months, great going! Now you need a WWMD bracelet... (just kidding- unless whoever is still making them?) had to say it, i think about them for some reason all the time paul denika pratt wrote: > > Hello everybody. > > My name's Denika. I'm 18 and just recently became aware of the great > Moby (two months ago, to be exact). I heard about him from an > acquaintance who was praising his works. I took a trip to the music > store and bought the only Moby cd they had: "I Like to Score". From > then on I knew Moby was it. I followed up that cd with: > -Ambient > -Animal Rights > -Move > -Rare:The Collected B-Sides > -(Go:The Collected Mixes > -Everything is Wrong <---(my personal favorite!) > -Disk (which doesn't work on my computer, ugh) > and my most recent addition...The End of Everything. > I joined this list in hopes of learning more about Moby and about other > people's thoughts and impressions of him. > > Later. > > d > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:11:34 +0200 denika pratt schreef: > Hello everybody. > > My name's Denika. I'm 18 and just recently became aware of the great > Moby (two months ago, to be exact). I heard about him from an > acquaintance who was praising his works. I took a trip to the music > store and bought the only Moby cd they had: "I Like to Score". From > then on I knew Moby was it. I followed up that cd with: > -Ambient > -Animal Rights > -Move > -Rare:The Collected B-Sides > -(Go:The Collected Mixes > -Everything is Wrong <---(my personal favorite!) > -Disk (which doesn't work on my computer, ugh) > and my most recent addition...The End of Everything. > I joined this list in hopes of learning more about Moby and about other > people's thoughts and impressions of him. > > Later. > > d > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Hello, Denika. Can you tell me more about DISK? I'm interested. And if you like you can tell me a lot more about Moby's albums. Greetings from Joris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) DISK Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:37:27 +0200 On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 01:17:44AM -0500, Spydercorp@aol.com wrote: > You know, you shouldn't worry that it doesn't work. No one can make it work. > I was wondering if there is anyone who has made > DISK work by actually using the program instead of cheating? Later. I havent played too much with that kind of disks (those with mixed audio -other media), but I've seen them working on PC and Mac. I'd like to know if you have tested them on a PC or MAC, which OS and such, just to check if it's good idea get it, hoping it'll work.. :-? Maybe DISK is a bit old for nowadays fast-like-hell CPUs ? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Cooper" Subject: (mobility) new subscriber Date: 02 Sep 1998 09:59:14 +0000 Hey all, New bod on the list. I'm Pete, 19, rich, handsome, etc. CD's Everything is Wrong (w/ 'Underwater' Bonus CD) Story So Far Animal Rights Everything is Wrong (DJ Mix) Singles Every Time ... CD1 and CD2 Feeling So Real CD1 and CD2 Honey CD1 and CD2 and a couple more that escape me at the minute. So, do I pass? P Peter Cooper Tel: +44 1235 544081 Technical Support Fax: +44 1235 559935 Sophos plc Mob/SMS: +44 7961 195 290 peter.cooper@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 07:07:12 -0500 i have gotten DISK to work without cheating, but would much rather see it all by cheating. the whole interface is not good on the disk... andy gingerbread man I was wondering if there is anyone who has made DISK work by actually using the program instead of cheating? Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Honey in my hands Date: 02 Sep 1998 14:07:23 +0200 At last. My pal came back from London with a 3-CD mix from James (Runaground), and the most waited for me: Honey, and Honey Remixes... It's great, cause although he's not a fan of Moby, he liked the Mixes so much, that he bought a copy for himself! :) Goin'home to listen to them carefully... (Jump! Gambol!) :) -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Evan Taylor Subject: Re: (mobility) DISK Date: 02 Sep 1998 06:21:33 -0600 > Maybe DISK is a bit old for nowadays fast-like-hell CPUs ? Maybe, but then again I've got a very old computer (486, not even a 3 mb hd) and haven't tried the disk, so anyone willing to let me borrow theirs? *grin* -Evan- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: (mobility) RE: Slipped Disk Date: 02 Sep 1998 07:38:24 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Spydercorp@aol.com > You know, you shouldn't worry that it doesn't work. No one can > make it work. > Maybe I'm the only one, but Disk has *always* worked for me. I explored the way the notes said to the first few times I played with it. But then I started going in and looking for what I wanted to see through the file manager. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "denika pratt" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 07:09:13 PDT >Can you tell me more about DISK? I'm interested. And if you like you can >tell me a lot more about Moby's albums. Well, I'm not exactly the most knowledgable about them yet, but I do have some opinions from what I've listened to so far. I've found the best of his work is compiled into "Everything is Wrong". There are specific songs on other albums that appeal to me, such as Voodoo Child, Next is the E, and J Breas, but nothing compares to EIW. Personally, I don't like Animal Rights, but again that's just my opinion. I'm working on finding a machine that will run DISK, but till then...no opinion. I can only play the three songs, two of which are on other albums. d ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) Disc Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:20:53 -0700 > I was wondering if there is anyone who has made >DISK work by actually using the program instead of cheating? Later. Way back when it first came out it worked. I think the problem with it is that it doesn't like certain upgrades of Windows '95 (and certainly not '98). It also depends on your CD drive's capabilities. It was recorded in a really odd way-some computers can't even read the directory structure... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Kaye" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 11:40:35 -0500 BT Rocks....I have the entire CD...its my second favorite to moby. Flaming June is my fav track by BT ---------- > From: Spydercorp@aol.com > To: mobility@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility > Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:17 AM > > > In a message dated 9/2/98 4:58:55 AM, delva21@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > <<-Disk (which doesn't work on my computer, ugh)>> > > You know, you shouldn't worry that it doesn't work. No one can make it work. > As for me, I don't even own DISK even though I see it in the store everytime I > go. But I am mentioning this because I did just buy the BT Remember single and > the Enhanced Single as well, and it was a hell of a time trying to get it to > work, but eventually it did. I was wondering if there is anyone who has made > DISK work by actually using the program instead of cheating? Later. > AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stevenlex@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 12:48:22 EDT REMOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plovious@juno.com (Michaela S Gerstner) Subject: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:15:25 -0700 >>Now you need a WWMD bracelet... (just kidding- unless whoever is still making them?) had to say it, i think about them for some reason all the time paul<< *** well... i *can* still make them.... all depending on whether ppl want them or not. i've had ppl say they did and then never respond back... sooooo.... i dunno (BIG shoulder shrug). and welcome to the list denika! and don't fret over the disk-just run the clips through the quicktime program like i did and i think everyone else did. believe me, we know how upset u r! :) great collection started! you have more than what i started with, and that was with Animals Rights (AR) and Everything is Wrong (EIW). speaking of moby CDs, i just got my JBT CD the other day and i like it! i like the different mixes of that track and plus it's really upbeat. not to mention the fact that i barely had to pay anything for it because i had some credit @ cdnow. :) and i've already planned my next purchase- BT. i'll have to order it because i can't find his CDs in the records stores around here. :( well.. i must go off and do some studying before i go back to school. college has started for me- fun fun fun! i once again dread school.. only i like this schedule better than high school - 2 classes a day! hee hee! Blessed Be, Plovious plovious@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plovious@juno.com (Michaela S Gerstner) Subject: Re: (mobility) Disc Date: 02 Sep 1998 10:18:52 -0700 >Way back when it first came out it worked. I think the problem with >it is >that it doesn't like certain upgrades of Windows '95 (and certainly >not >'98). It also depends on your CD drive's capabilities. It was >recorded in >a really odd way-some computers can't even read the directory >structure... i have 98 on this computer that i'm using and it doesn't even register that it's an enhanced CD, just an audio CD. so.. i dunno if that's a CD rom driver problem or if it's 98. just thought i'd mention that! Blessed Be, Plovious plovious@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) new subscriber Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:35:17 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 1:38:09 PM, peter.cooper@sophos.com writes: <> You pass. I don't have either of these and I really want them. So, are Underwater and Story So Far good? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) First impressions on Honey Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:38:13 +0200 Eo, Mobydicts: This noon, I've gone home to have lunch and see my parents (these days it's hard for us to meet), and have reserved a while to listen to some songs of Honey. I put my headphones (they save my life each day, they save me from being hanged by my family/neighbours :), started first song of Honey Cd... and.. I thought I knew Moby music style, but now I know how wrong I've been all this time... I couldnt imagine this song to be Moby's if I didnt see the case/disc... "Boogie nights" came to my mind, dont ask me why... :) It just took time to listen second track (Micronesia?), the Rollo & Sister Bliss Blunt, and again the original track... BTW, do you know something about mixer of original version ? I felt it to be strange that another person worked into Moby's own work... Later, np: Handel, Aquatic Music -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) DISK Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:42:02 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 2:02:36 PM, kobalt@james.encomix.es writes: <> I only tested it on a PC, and I have a MAC, but with no CD drive. However, I have heard that it worked fine on a MAC. I think MACs are better at that kind of thing, so if you have a MAC get it and tell us how it worked. LAter. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) First impressions on Honey Date: 02 Sep 1998 13:47:16 EDT I am writing too many emails lately, but could someone please tell me any/all of the words in Honey. I know tht it was recorded back in the 30s, but some of those words I can understand... Thanks. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 14:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Hi everybody! I've been out of touch for about hmmm....3 months. I have this hooked up at school and I just got back last week and found 405 new messages in my mailbox all from you guys! Wow! So this WWMD bracelet..what does WWMD stand for? I don't get it! ok...so hi. danielle On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Michaela S Gerstner wrote: > >>Now you need a WWMD bracelet... > (just kidding- unless whoever is still making them?) > had to say it, i think about them for some reason all the time > paul<< > *** > well... i *can* still make them.... all depending on whether ppl want > them or not. i've had ppl say they did and then never respond back... > sooooo.... i dunno (BIG shoulder shrug). > > and welcome to the list denika! and don't fret over the disk-just run > the clips through the quicktime program like i did and i think everyone > else did. believe me, we know how upset u r! :) great collection > started! you have more than what i started with, and that was with > Animals Rights (AR) and Everything is Wrong (EIW). > > speaking of moby CDs, i just got my JBT CD the other day and i like it! > i like the different mixes of that track and plus it's really upbeat. > not to mention the fact that i barely had to pay anything for it because > i had some credit @ cdnow. :) and i've already planned my next > purchase- BT. i'll have to order it because i can't find his CDs in the > records stores around here. :( > > well.. i must go off and do some studying before i go back to school. > college has started for me- fun fun fun! i once again dread school.. > only i like this schedule better than high school - 2 classes a day! hee > hee! > > Blessed Be, > Plovious > plovious@juno.com > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) First impressions on Honey Date: 02 Sep 1998 20:13:47 +0200 Spydercorp@aol.com schreef: > I am writing too many emails lately, but could someone please tell me any/all > of the words in Honey. I know tht it was recorded back in the 30s, but some of > those words I can understand... Thanks. Later. > AJ I think that the words are: ever honey come back, sometimes. I'm over it, sometimes. I could be wrong (sorry for bad English, U know what I mean) but Iit was a nice try. Everybody who knows better is welcome with suggestions! ps: Maybe it's a trick from Moby. Maybe he wants us to discuss about him and his songs. ps2. why do you want to know the words in Honey?Is music not enough? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Welcome Wagon w/ sampler platter Date: 02 Sep 1998 14:24:33 -0400 Welcome everyone to the list! I'm glad you're here. For those who haven't seen the Honey pumpkin cover, it's at moby.org now. The reason that I would want to know the honey lyrics is because it's an extremely singable song. I've noticed that I slap my thighs is beat w/ the tune. It's stuck in my brain. I'll probably get Disk sooner or later, but the headaches involved in running the program as intended isn't my idea of fun. I think I'll go for Ambient next. Despite the fact that these are unfinished pieces, I'm sure I'll enjoy them since Moby's subdued work always goes over quite well with me. Somebody hit up Tower for Moby stuff. Copies of Rare, Moby, ILTS & BBMH have all been snatched from the racks after an extended tenure. People are catching on! My sister is a country fan, mostly, but she's recently been taken by Feeling So Real. She likes that "vacuum sound". So do I. I hope I get my single back from her one day. Has anyone else noticed that Lopez - "Fucked Up" is essentially a Voodoo Child mix of "Emptiness"? Compare w/ the VC mix of Into The Blue and the self-titled version on Rare. "Emptiness" also uses that wierd "garbled transmission" noise as the intro to "Come On Baby"?, with less garble. I like making these connections. Somebody else mentioned this as the intro to "Soft", but I'm not sure which song this sample is on from AR. Off-topic stuff: I've got the BT 2x12" for Love, Peace, & Grease. I'm buying a Mantronix record because of his excellent remix. BT is nifty. I also have the promo for Faithless' God Is A DJ, which Paul mentioned a couple weeks ago. It's got choir voices and he says "This Is My Church". Remind you of anything? Seriously, tho, it's not a ripoff. It's very good. Daniel, let me know when you're up & running, plz. The lyrics are altered & rearranged in some mixes, here's two lines, maybe all together we can come up w/ the entire verse Bessie sings. "I wanna ??? like that, sometime.." (rap?) anachronistic (man?) maybe "I'm goin' over, yeah, sometime.." -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) welcome! Date: 02 Sep 1998 14:05:10 -0700 (PDT) hey denika welcome to tha list. we hope you like it here! you got all those cds in 2 months? thats like 3 years worth of moby cds for me! course im only 15 and dont got no job EIW is my fave too kay bye now == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) First impressions on Honey Date: 02 Sep 1998 17:05:51 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 6:19:01 PM, joriss@mindless.com writes: <> I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but when I play Moby or anything else for someone who hasn't heard it before, the first thing they always ask is "What is he/she saying?" Of course, I never know either, and even though it is great to sometimes make up your own lyrics that don't make sense, but sound the closest to what you think, I would like to know what he is actually saying. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) hello again Date: 02 Sep 1998 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) hello you too (sorry i get tha digest) no, you need 17 more cds. what? you have honey? why didnt ya say so! yer in! okay, so i guess i'm not clay. whatever ;) heres an idea. i think they should reissue DISK and make it super-updated...but not updating the music. anyone? bye == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "denika pratt" Subject: Re: (mobility) hello again Date: 02 Sep 1998 15:02:17 PDT >heres an idea. i think they should reissue DISK and make it >super-updated...but not updating the music. I totally agree with that. I was so excited when I found it in the store and now i cant even use it. i tried it on a mac at work and it worked fine but didn't get a chance to explore it much. I assumed if it worked there it would work on mine...wrong. Anyway, an updated version would be awsome, maybe then more people would get the opportunity to explore all that DISK has to offer. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Varkey Subject: (mobility) ADMIN STUFF Date: 02 Sep 1998 17:48:25 -0500 (CDT) Hello. How do you set the list where instead of receiving individual messages, you would get the digest version? -vince ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Tice Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 18:53:34 -0400 At 02:09 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everybody! I've been out of touch for about hmmm....3 months. I have >this hooked up at school and I just got back last week and found 405 new >messages in my mailbox all from you guys! Wow! So this WWMD bracelet..what >does WWMD stand for? I don't get it! ok...so hi. > >danielle > > WWMD stands for "What Would Moby Do?" It's sort of like those shirts that say WWJD, as in "What Would Jesus Do?" I guess it's kind of a little in-joke, seeing that Moby's Christian and all. Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael boudreau Subject: (mobility) disk disk disk Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:49:37 -0400 check it: it seems that disk only werks on macs, which makes sense because musicians tend to use macs anyway, so macs are the way to go. btw, welcome, newcomers. miKe~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+++++ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) disk disk disk Date: 02 Sep 1998 19:14:54 -0500 mine worked on a PC! mine worked on a PC! mine worked on a PC! just so that PCs don't totally get bashed...anyway, does anyone have any news on the album supposed to come out in February? andy gingerbread man check it: it seems that disk only werks on macs, which makes sense because musicians tend to use macs anyway, so macs are the way to go. btw, welcome, newcomers. miKe~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+++++ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 21:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Ok...got it. Actually Conan O'Brien did a little "What would Conan do" sketch....I don't know if anyone caught it or watches him...but it was pretty funny. Oh yeah, someone just wrote about what people say when they hear moby for the first time. i had come on baby playing in my room and my roommate thought it sounded like a miami vice type song. What?! anyway..thought I'd write that lil tidbit. danielle On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Andrew Tice wrote: > At 02:09 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi everybody! I've been out of touch for about hmmm....3 months. I have > >this hooked up at school and I just got back last week and found 405 new > >messages in my mailbox all from you guys! Wow! So this WWMD bracelet..what > >does WWMD stand for? I don't get it! ok...so hi. > > > >danielle > > > > > WWMD stands for "What Would Moby Do?" It's sort of like those shirts that > say WWJD, as in "What Would Jesus Do?" I guess it's kind of a little > in-joke, seeing that Moby's Christian and all. > > Andrew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Turpin Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility Date: 02 Sep 1998 21:00:15 -0500 ><<-Disk (which doesn't work on my computer, ugh)>> > >You know, you shouldn't worry that it doesn't work. No one can make it work. >As for me, I don't even own DISK even though I see it in the store everytime I >go. But I am mentioning this because I did just buy the BT Remember single and >the Enhanced Single as well, and it was a hell of a time trying to get it to >work, but eventually it did. I was wondering if there is anyone who has made >DISK work by actually using the program instead of cheating? Later. Actually, one of the first things I did with my PowerMac 7200 was play that CD. No problems with it, other than the interface was crap and the interview clips are poorly edited. No problems with Mac OS 7.5 through 8.1. -- C The C.O.D. John Turpin | O D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) disk disk disk Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:04:14 -0500 >check it: it seems that disk only werks on macs, which makes sense >because musicians tend to use macs anyway, so macs are the way to go. Musicians may tend to use Macs, but the majority of the public doesn't, and that's who buys the CDs. I don't know about a reissue of Disk. I've seen it work how it should on the Mac and wasn't very impressed at all. Maybe if they updated the concept and layout and all that too. I like the videos though, and the music tracks--esp. "Shining." --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) disk disk disk Date: 02 Sep 1998 22:04:14 -0500 >check it: it seems that disk only werks on macs, which makes sense >because musicians tend to use macs anyway, so macs are the way to go. Musicians may tend to use Macs, but the majority of the public doesn't, and that's who buys the CDs. I don't know about a reissue of Disk. I've seen it work how it should on the Mac and wasn't very impressed at all. Maybe if they updated the concept and layout and all that too. I like the videos though, and the music tracks--esp. "Shining." --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) hello again Date: 02 Sep 1998 20:34:41 +0000 > okay, so i guess i'm not clay. whatever ;) > hey ! paul! unfair reference to clay : { that could score you plenty of points around here.... you know that! so where's moby tonight? anyone seen him around? cc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: bt Date: 02 Sep 1998 20:47:17 +0000 bt rocks nuts in a bushel full of monkeys and then some if you can find remixes of remember especially the mood to swing mixes and dub and bt's own blue memory dub peace love and grease remixes kick ass on a more b-boy level and really are brilliant especially when working clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: bt Date: 02 Sep 1998 23:55:59 EDT All those Remember Remixes are on the Remember Enhanced Disc. I only wish that there was more BT stuff to get as there is nothing bad I can say except he doesn't have enough stuff. Plus he lives like 30 minutes from me. IT is about time for him to come out with something new as well. Ima 96 ESCM 97 ? 98... And, does anyone know what ESCM stands for? Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stevenlex@aol.com Subject: (mobility) REMOVE Date: 03 Sep 1998 00:19:37 EDT REMOVE FROM LIST! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) ADMIN STUFF Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:18:48 +0200 > Hello. How do you set the list where instead of receiving individual > messages, you would get the digest version? try subscribing to mobility-digest -- Jonathan Ruano Intercomputer soft, s.a. Dpto. de Tecnología ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) First impressions on Honey Date: 03 Sep 1998 13:18:11 +0200 On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 05:05:51PM -0500, Spydercorp@aol.com wrote: > is "What is he/she saying?" Of course, I never know either, and even > though it is great to sometimes make up your own lyrics that > don't make sense, but sound the closest to what you think, That is called Mondegreen :) When you misunderstand what lyrics are on a song. Found the term in Yahoo some months ago. > I would like to know what he is actually saying. I've been searching the net for "Bessie Jones", and "Sometimes". Couldnt find that song on the two records you can find on CdNow or MusicBoulevard. I found it as a record released by Atlantic Records, but nothing more... -- Jonathan Ruano Intercomputer soft, s.a. Dpto. de Tecnología ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) disk disk disk Date: 03 Sep 1998 12:06:10 -0700 >check it: it seems that disk only werks on macs, which makes sense >because musicians tend to use macs anyway, so macs are the way to go. >btw, welcome, newcomers. Both the UK & US releases run on PCs. The problem is just getting the machine to recognize them... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: danny legare Subject: (mobility) return of a jedi Date: 03 Sep 1998 10:01:00 -0700 hey, i've had the summer of my life, being on the road with lilith fair was quite amazing. not too many electro artists on the bill, but morcheeba was amazing. good to be back. i scoured the country as i went from city to city looking for moby stuff. this is what i found/bought: everything is wrong dj mix album (2nd hand-$9.99)-nyc intothe blue (w/shining-never heard the song-wow) -vancouver honey/honey remixes-vancouver hymn (this is my dream)-montreal eoe (u.s. version)-nyc nothing too rare, but the eiw 2cd and hymn-timd r 2 cds i've been looking for for years. bt rocks and rolls are swings around polls. take a listen to the new madonna single-drowned world-bt and sasha team up and do a killer remix. honey is good, dare to say, catchy. love the rollo & sister bliss blunt. how long is the version of the 12"? and yes, even us canadians got a great deal on those. i paid $7.99 in canadian for both of those. and seeing how the u.s. dollar is 1.5 for each canadian dollar, it's about the same. the 12" goes for $10.99 at my local virginstore. going to buy faithless today-any recommendations? cheers, danny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Bessie Jones Date: 03 Sep 1998 11:28:28 -0600 I was looking around at Music Boulevard and saw a couple of tapes by Bessie Jones. Searching the web for more info, I found: http://www.rounder.com/rounder/catalog/byartist/j/jones_bessie/ Though the stuff on these albums looks good, "Sometimes" is not on either one. So the search continues... --- Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) may the schwartz be with you... Date: 03 Sep 1998 14:46:51 -0400 >>-bt and sasha team up and do a killer remix. Yeah, Sasha 'discovered' BT when he did a Zeppelin dance mix. Unfortuneately, he couldn't get rights to release it. I beleive BT is going to release it anyway w/ Great White's version of the vocals instead. >>honey is good, dare to say, catchy Right on! I've heard good things about the R&SB mixes, I'll hear them next week I hope. If you want to read my thoughts on the 12"s, danny, they're in the archives on 8/21 & 8/26. >going to buy faithless today-any recommendations? Are you getting "God Is A DJ?" It's great, I was talking about it's simalarities to Hymn (THis Is My Dream) just the other day. Another good record I picked up was Paul Van Dyk's "Words / For An Angel '98 rmxs" I've seen lots of records out from Twisted Records letely, but so far I haven't been impressed. I expect good epic/club house from Jr. Vasquez, but I was disappointed by his mix of the Funky Green Dogs' "Fired Up". Angel Morales' wasn't hot, either. I'm going to give it a 2nd listen, tho, the first one isn't always representative of how you feel about a song... Stay away from Vasquez's mixes of the Beatles' "Come Together", also. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Sounds of the South Date: 03 Sep 1998 13:16:11 -0600 As my search for the Bessie Jones' song "Sometimes" (which Moby sampled in "Honey") continued, I found a CD of hers at CD Universe, but it also didn't include "Sometimes". Then I found this a long and interesting article about John and Alan Lomax recording southern folk music. John Lomax did some recordings in the 1930s, and his son Alan did some in 1959. It would seem, then, that "Sometimes" was recorded in 1959, rather than the '30s. Six LPs were released in 1960 based on Alan Lomax's recordings. http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1192825904842734_105_843026^S&TEMPLATE_PATH=/mb2/live/main [From the article above:] This material has been re-edited into _Sounds of the South_, a deluxe, four-disc boxed set issued by Atlantic in 1993. The more-than-100 songs are split between white and black musicians and include all manner of Southern "root" music: a Mississippi fife & drum trio, New World versions of Old World ballads, bluegrass instrumentals, field hollers that probably don't differ much from slavery days, church music from shape note singing to rocking gospel, children's songs and, of course, blues. Unfortunately, I can't find a track listing anywhere, so I can't confirm that "Sometimes" is on it. Is anyone willing to pay US$62 plus shipping to find out? My guess is that it most likely is. Hey Steve, wanna go hunting for info on this boxed set? :) An All Music Guide review is at: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.exe?p=amg&sql=A255078 --- Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: List Admin Subject: Re: (mobility) ADMIN STUFF Date: 03 Sep 1998 15:12:12 -0600 Vince Varkey wrote: > > Hello. How do you set the list where instead of receiving individual > messages, you would get the digest version? Here's some help to the question you had. I am making this a public post because I believe it can/will help others. This information can be found at the address http://www.xmission.com/~damian/mobility.html PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE ADDRESS YOU SUBSCRIBE MUST BE THE ADDRESS YOU USE TO SEND MESSAGES TO MOBILITY! 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Usually it is best to try the regular version of the list first and then switch to the digest if you are getting more mail from the regular version than you can deal with comfortably. Please note, once subscribed to the list send your emails to: mobility@lists.xmission.com ***How to subscribe*** To join send a message to majordomo@xmission.com with the body of the message saying: subscribe mobility You may optionally append an email address if you wish to receive messages at a different address to the one you are sending the message from (i.e. subscribe mobility email address). The subject should be blank. To join the digest instead, have your message say: subscribe mobility-digest ***Unsubscribe procedure*** The routine for unsubscribe is similar to the above. In a message to majordomo@xmission.com, give the following command in the message body: unsubscribe mobility For members subscribed to the digest mode of the list, the command is: unsubscribe mobility-digest If you subscribed to an address different to the one you send the command from, appended your subscribed address to the command (i.e. unsubscribe mobility email address). If you have questions, direct them to owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Sounds of the South Date: 03 Sep 1998 17:21:20 -0400 Ok folks, here ya go. http://www.rounder.com/cgi_bin/findsong?Honey Go to number 7, Bessie Jones on vocals. It's called "Hey, Hey, Honey". This is the closest match I could find. There was no "Sometime" or "Sometimes" w/ Bessie in it. Sounds Of The South is a 2CD sampler of Alan Lomax's recordings. There is a 15 CD series, and this is on Volume 8: Velvet Voices. If someone gets be sure to let us know the skinny on it! -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) Sounds of the South Date: 03 Sep 1998 15:46:57 -0600 Steve Giles wrote: > Go to number 7, Bessie Jones on vocals. It's called "Hey, Hey, Honey". This > is the closest match I could find. There was no "Sometime" or "Sometimes" w/ > Bessie in it. Hmmm, that may or may not be the song we want... > There is a 15 CD series, and this is on Volume 8: Velvet Voices. They have a funky neat sample (though unrelated to Bessie or Moby). > Sounds Of The South is a 2CD sampler of Alan Lomax's recordings. Where did you get this? According to everything I've seen, it's 4 discs. In favor of _Sounds of the South_, it is on Atlantic Records, which is credited in the "Honey" liner notes. That's why I think there's a strong possibility that our song is on SOTS. But over $60 is quite steep... it kind of makes that $27 Caustic Window [Aphex Twin] CD I just ordered seem more reasonable. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Welcometo Myworld" Subject: (mobility) honey singles Date: 03 Sep 1998 14:49:55 PDT Hey I just wanted to let everyone know that both CDNow and CDConnection have made the Honey singles available in their catalogues... just in case anyone was looking to purchase them online without having to go overseas... Andrea ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) cool poster jpg to look at Date: 03 Sep 1998 11:38:32 -0400 Check out these cool posters. Delobbo, I have permission to use these if you'd like to add them to your image archive. James Bond poster http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24898443 ETYTM poster http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=27454324 -Steve Giles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Pork Guys Date: 03 Sep 1998 14:26:24 -0400 The Pork Guys are: Guitar / Vocals: Sidney Knasty Bass: Paul F. Yates Drums: Moby Credits: Produced by us Photos by our friend Alex Computer Shit by Alysha There are regular and limited versions of this 7". The lmtd is a numbered 100 run. Tracklist: Four Lights Hannah Face The Facts (You're Not Black) Fuck Xmas! Fuck You! The limited has a different cover, b/w shot from above w/ the members looking up into the camera. Sidney has Punk written on his knuckles, Moby has Pork, and Paul has Guys, all capital letters. Sidney has F.T.W. (fuck the world, I'm sure) on one shoulder and the anarchy symbol on the other. It looks like they're standing on the US flag, I can see stars below them. Moby's face is all contorted on the limited cover, he looks ugly, like he's imitating Billy Idol w/ his lip. The 'regular cover' has Moby just looking up at you, his hands are down, and since he's shorter than the other Pork Guys he's a tiny bit out of focus. The back covers are the same, just hands. PUNK (by itself) PORK GUYS (Moby & Paul's hand next ot each other. All songs were recorded live at the Anthrax, Stamford, CT Summer 97. The label is epithet records, and they have a 6-part series called the self-starter six step program. Pork Guys are #5. I'll write more about the actual music tomorrow. You can still buy these, follow the URL in the discography to self starter. Or just send the money like instructed in the discog, there is someone at the other end to receive your order. I dealt w/ Chris N. Like I said, I'll tell you how funny they are tomorrow. -Steve Giles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EvilNinjah@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Welcome to mobility Date: 03 Sep 1998 20:14:19 EDT ok kids...i'm back...i know that lots of people are mad at me...especially those who sent checks for the "Post Underground" c.d.. I never got the burned, i broke up with my girlfiend of 2 fucking years because she cheated on me. She still has half of my stuff, including the checks and money orders you guys sent. I know i was a bad person for not getting them, but i ended up very unhappy for about 6 months and sat around doing nothing. Please forgive my situation. p.s. I still haven't picked up Honey if thats any indication as to how i'm feeling these days.... dj tripp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:24:08 -0500 >Hey I just wanted to let everyone know that both CDNow and CDConnection >have made the Honey singles available in their catalogues... just in >case anyone was looking to purchase them online without having to go >overseas... Jesus!!! CDNow is charging 12.49 for each part!!!! I remember looking at the UK prices and after conversion they were less than 3.50 each!!! I wonder what CDConnection is charging ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 03 Sep 1998 22:57:08 -0500 >Hey I just wanted to let everyone know that both CDNow and CDConnection >have made the Honey singles available in their catalogues... just in >case anyone was looking to purchase them online without having to go >overseas... hahahaha!!!! I have just gone to a uk distro and they charged me less than 11 dollars for both honeys!!!! less than the cost of one from either CDNow or CDConnection CDConnection was charging 12.25 and 12.77, they had two versions of each: Honey pt 1 Honey pt 2 AND Honey #1 Honey #2 is there any difference? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) cool poster jpg to look at Date: 03 Sep 1998 23:37:43 CDT That ETYTM poster is sweet. Continues the link of underwater backgrounds and EIW. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 02:06:44 -0700 >Hey I just wanted to let everyone know that both CDNow and CDConnection >have made the Honey singles available in their catalogues... just in Is anyone else dissapointed with the remixes? Maybe it's just me (being negative again ;) but the ones that appear on the 4 track are pretty subpar. The R&SB Blunt mix is alright, but the Moby & Westbam ones are seriously lacking in anything but formula! I like the Aphrodite one, even though it's the same damn progression as every other remix he/they have done... On a positive note-I love Memory Gospel! Is that the same vocal sample used in First Cool Hive? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) Welcome to mobility Date: 04 Sep 1998 02:07:57 -0700 >ok kids...i'm back...i know that lots of people are mad at me...especially >those who sent checks for the "Post Underground" c.d.. I never got the burned, I didn't send ya money, so I'm not mad ;) Good to have you back though... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 00:30:16 -0600 Jon Gage (Rekkit) wrote: > Is anyone else dissapointed with the remixes? Maybe it's just me (being > negative again ;) but the ones that appear on the 4 track are pretty subpar. > The R&SB Blunt mix is alright, but the Moby & Westbam ones are seriously > lacking in anything but formula! I like the Aphrodite one, even though it's > the same damn progression as every other remix he/they have done... I like the 118 mix (though it is pretty close to the original), but the Westbam remix really didn't impress me. It's alright I guess. I think the R&SB and Mickey Finn & Aphrodite remixes are quite good, though. And the other remixes (which you can only get on vinyl and I suggest you do) are excellent. Bammer's Mix is fun sunny day drum & bass, Sharam Jey's Sweet Honey Mix is warm & wonderful, and Moby's Dark Mix is fast and technoey. The other remixes are good too. I was wondering why the remixes CD has the remixes it does, and have come to the conclusion that it's because of name recognition. Mickey Finn, Westbam, and Rollo & Sister Bliss are well-known and therefore will help sell CDs. I don't know who's heard of RJ or Bammer, even though their remixes are good. And it would be just a bad decision from at least a couple of standpoints to confine Westbam's remix to promo-only vinyl, despite the fact that it's not one of the best four remixes. > On a positive note-I love Memory Gospel! Is that the same vocal sample used > in First Cool Hive? No. "First Cool Hive" uses an 'mmmmmmm' sample, while "Memory Gospel" uses 'heyyyy'. Dan NP: "Micronesia" from Honey CD #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 01:31:07 -0600 Christopher Michael Bourke wrote: > > hahahaha!!!! I have just gone to a uk distro and they charged me less than > 11 dollars for both honeys!!!! Was it less than $11 for each? Or less than $11 for both total? Both sound nice but the latter would be excellent... if so, how about sharing the resource? Thanks, Damian. mailto:damian@xmission.com mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:01:18 +0200 On Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 01:31:07AM -0600, Damian wrote: > > hahahaha!!!! I have just gone to a uk distro and they charged me less than > > 11 dollars for both honeys!!!! > > Was it less than $11 for each? Or less than $11 for both total? Bought in London: Honey 1.99 Pounds -> $3,75 Mixes 1.99 Pounds -> $3,75 > Both sound nice but the latter would be excellent... In Europe CDNow, they're about $6 or so /each. And one great thing about getting Music from within EU, no toll rates... Today I got the two "Blue Skies" BT mixes, and NIN "Perfect drug", and none payed when delivered... Good news for me/us european. -- Jonathan Ruano Intercomputer soft, s.a. Dpto. de Tecnologia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:03:30 +0200 On Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:30:16AM -0600, Daniel Cerman wrote: > I like the 118 mix (though it is pretty close to the original), Provided that it is written to be "radio edit", I think it shouldnt be very different from the original one.. > but > the Westbam remix really didn't impress me. It's alright I guess. Agree. -- Jonathan Ruano Intercomputer soft, s.a. Dpto. de Tecnologia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq Subject: (mobility) the be-all end-all of "honey" reviews... Date: 04 Sep 1998 10:08:46 -0500 (CDT) hey fellow "honey" freaks. i just got a ton of stuff in the mail from a super cool girl. sometimes i love being a college radio dj! free stuff rules! anyway, here's all what i got: moby - honey - promo - 12" (PL12MUTE218) side a: moby's risk mix moby's dark mix side b: westbam & hardy hard mix moby's 118 mix moby - honey - 12" (12MUTE18) side a: rollo & sister bliss remix side b: sharam jey's seewt honey mix low side mix moby - honey - promo - CD (PCDMUTE218) 1. honey 2. the aphrodite & mickey finn mix 3. rj's mix 4. bammer's mix 5. westbam & hardy hard mix 6. 118 mix moby - honey - remixes - CD (LCDMUTE218) 1. rollo & sister bliss blunt edit 2. moby's 118 mix (raido edit) 3. westbam & hardy hard mix 4. aphrodite & mickey finn remix i also got 2 stickers of the pumpkin with names of a few remixes on the back, and a really big black t-shirt with a small pumpkin on the front and the words "moby - honey" on top of the back. i will now attempt to tell you about all this stuff in detail and add the the mass of "honey" reviews: first off, the original version of "honey." this song was NOT at all what i had expected! i knew it was going to be more big- beat-esque, but...honkey-tonk paino?! this thing STOMPS!! the vocals go perfectly with the trashy feel of the piano and slide/wah-wah guitar. it's a slow one for moby, around 100 or 105 bpm's i'd guess. the only vocals i can make out are "can my honey some back, sometimes" "way down yonder, sometimes" and "come on over here, sometimes." there is also a diva-like shout, but i dunno what it's saying. basically, it's a down- south-on-the-back-porch-hand-clappin'stomp! the aphroditie & mickey finn mix is a d&b mix. it's a bit slow for d&b, and only uses a bit of the vocals and piano. oh! and i forgot to mention the usual thick moby strings. there's a small part in which they are used in the origional, and they are also used here a bit. otherwise, it's pretty much a different song. next is rj's mix. this is more of a pitched up big beat version. kind of like crystal method, only not so hard and squeltchy. a bit spacey, it uses the vocal sample a bit, but only in small sections. i like the use of the strings in the break down, but little else can be said. not bad, just a bit boring. bammer's mix starts off with the vocals a bit slowed down, then punches into some d&b beats. nice and fast. the vocals are used thoughout the song, but little else happens. the wesbam & hardy hard mix starts off with some booty-style beats, but when that bassline starts up, weee! then the vocals, and that wonderful panio!! you can't help but move to this one. it's a bit repetitive up till the break, then really kicks in with added drums. a bit too booty shakin' for me, but it's still nasty and fun! moby's 118 is very "james bond theme" at first. same beat, different drum sounds. then the piano and vocals come in, just like the origional. i don't know why the other remixers don't use more of the piano line...it's so cool! this mix adds a tweeky bass line mid-way though and is faster, hence the "118" mix. it builds up and breaks down a few times, and that's about all. moby's risk mix is back to our normal moby. actually, it's a bit old-skool in it's sounds. a real cheesey synth pad and bass are used mainly. the drums are tradidtional moby kick-ass techno. this one is really repetitive, adding crashes, vocals and a siren-like sound as it chuggs along. your basic punch-in punch-out kind of mix. good. the dark mix is even faster! VERRRRRRRY HARD!! moby is the king of kick-ass techno drums. this starts off with the drums and adds a crunchy bass line. a bit like "bring back..." at first. this is even more repetitive than the risk mix. it uses only the "way down yonder/can my honey come back" sample. the rollo & sister bliss mix is more of your traditional house tempo. it's pretty spacey, starting off kind of big/break beat, it then kicks into a speed garage/house groove and soon moves AGAIn to a more blissful trance. it uses some of the vocal sample and diva bits and maybe some guitar parts, but i'm not too sure. too many break-downs really make this one lag. when it's going, it's nice and floaty, but it never really KEEPS going. if you ask me, after this and "god is a dj" (their last single) i'm losing faith in them. heh... sharam jey's sweet honey mix is your basic US style house. this is one of those made-for-lame-dj's-mixes. it's kind of light and fluffy, but still hard enough to dance to. it has very litte, if nothing, to do with the origional. just you basic run-the-sample-though-a-filter-for-4-minutes track. and, FINALLY, the low side mix by moby. another house track, and another dj friendly mix. however, this one has a neat sounding bassline. really pongy and bouncy. this one reminds me of his hymn remixes. really open sounding and very repetive. pretty mellow and nice. i left out the blunt mix and 118 edit 'cause they are basicly just shorter versions. so there you have it! if you actually read all that i am truly amazed, and thank you! the only thing i don't have are the mario caldato jnr. remix, "micorniesia" and "memory gospel" tracks. anyone got these? could you let me know what they're like? later, [xaq] "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop. but i really enjoy thinking." Masafumi Sanai-photographer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) hoo-raw for big weakendz Date: 04 Sep 1998 11:49:09 -0400 Kickass review, Xaq! I bought my sister EIW for the car, now I got my FSR & Maximum Electronica back from her. I think she's hooked, like me. From country to Bjork to Moby, (in that order) I think she's becoming diverse. Hooray! The Pork Guys thing is a funny parody. You can hear how much fun they're having. They mock the political punk thing, opening w/ "This is for an American hero.....Jean-Luc Picard!" They also have the sung-way-too-fast song, the offensive song (Fuck Xmas! Fuck You!), & the song about a girl. Terrible music. Someone said it sounds like a bad Misfits ripoff. I dunno. I funny novelty item, but I wouldn't recommend it. It has no redeeming musical value, whatsoever. I like the vinyl, tho, it's smoky-brown-transparent. Eddie "Flashin" Fowlkes, who did an ATINITBL mix, is spinning at a rave here soon. I like his mix, if I see him, I'll tell ya what I think. If anybody is interested in the Fractal Zoom US CD, new, $5, let me know. If you want a Next Is The E US 12", mail me w/ an offer. (latter inc. Victory mix, no picture sleeve) I've tracked down someone who reviewed Sounds Of The South, and I'm awaiting a response regarding Bessie Jones' contributions. As far as I know, that is the only Atlantic release w/ her appearing. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky and find some lyrics. Anyone want to join me in the search for info? Good search strings include folk, roots, blues, try different combos w/ records, store, music. I guess that 4CD is generally in found in the subcategory "Country Blues". Yahoo! I finally found the 2CD for Come On Baby, and the Barracuda on C.T. Anybody else out there "actively" collecting right now? I just missed an auction for AR Live, that sucks. At eBay there's two JBT w/ audio bios for sale. One at $5, on at .99 cents. Some people... Enjoy your Labor Day weekend and drink lots of bber! -Steve Giles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) SPIN Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:15:42 -0700 (PDT) hey just wondering, anyone know if SPIN reviewed any other Moby cds besides EIW? especially AR? I mean as in a 1-10 number grade? don't ask why, just curious. um, speaking of SPIN, um, does anyone have a lot of back issues, from say 1995 or so til 6/98? i have a lot of weird lists i put on my computer upstairs, and one of them is the number ratings spin has given cds...however, i can't find bad reviews on the internet, cuz fukkin spin doesnt have an internet archive. so can anyone who has lots of old SPINs lying around theyre house just list a bunch of bad reviews from SPIN? thanks..... heehee, the afx list is really jumpin n pumpin rite now... everyones debating about the lyrics to afx's songs...i would like some milk from the milkmans wife's ...uh, well ttheres no question about that one i guess... whatever. sorry for the rambling. bye everybody! (bye dr. nick) == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) now you too can own the Schottische mix Date: 04 Sep 1998 15:17:29 -0400 The B-52s have just released a single for their time-capsule release that has various remixes on it, including Moby's Schottische mix. It's a major release & your local corporate vendor will have it in the singles section. It's a high-priced single at 6.99 w/ 6 or 7 tracks, all together. I just ordered it on 12", I would've just got this if I'd known, instead of waiting. Oh well. I'll let everyone know about it when I get it, I'm just glad it's more accessible now. I don't suppose anybody knows if the Mighty Dub Katz' song "Magic Carpet Ride" is a house cover of Steppenwolf's? -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) permanent midnight Date: 04 Sep 1998 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) honey is on the soundtrack to permanent midnight also on the cd is spring heel jack bt art alexakis (everclear) crystlmthd prodigy black lab more cdnowfordetails j byew==kreyyeytr 5666 7567 j y fg j == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 15:34:04 -0500 >Was it less than $11 for each? Or less than $11 for both total? > >Both sound nice but the latter would be excellent... > >if so, how about sharing the resource? > It was less than 11 dollars for both of them together AND shipping to the US!!! at least if my calculations are right: Honey 1 = 1.99Pounds Honey 2 = 1.99Pounds Shipping: 2.50Pounds 6.48 Pounds = 10.86 Dollars, US at least according to the currency transfer site I go to: http://www.x-rates.com/ The site I got the CDs from was: http://www.replay.co.uk/ This is REPLAY RECORDS I got this site from someone else on Mobility ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chilidiba9@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) honey singles Date: 04 Sep 1998 18:49:40 EDT went to NYC today and bought my Moby "honey" singles..here's what i thought "honey"- very nice, unexpected, but i managed to bop my head on my way home in the car. "honey" ( rollo and sister bliss blunt edit)- real nice but too short. maybe they got bored of playing the song "honey"- westbam & and hardy hard mix- could do without but still enjoyable. "honey"- aphrodite & mickey finn remix- Then I got the other "honey" cd with micronesia and memory gospel: micronesia- phat as hell, love it and would play it anywhere anytime memory gospel- liked it for the first 4 minutes then it got repetitive. still good to hear some new moby stuff. i also picked up two moby vinyls: "everytime you touch me "( it has some remixes for that competition they had back in the day), and "honey", with three other remixes which i have not listened to yet. elie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) SPIN Date: 05 Sep 1998 00:53:39 CDT I used to subscribe to it (from '94 up until a few months ago.) I might be missing some issues from a few months, but tell me what you want and I'll see if i can't find them? By the way, i do believe SPIN did review AR, but I can't remember the details. I think they gave it a 7 or something like that. SPIN has a book out that lists all their reviews in easy-to-find format by artist. Just find it, look up Moby, and you're in business. It's in any Waldenbooks store. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Tice Subject: Re: (mobility) SPIN Date: 05 Sep 1998 11:21:44 -0400 At 12:53 AM 9/5/98 CDT, you wrote: > > > By the way, i do believe SPIN did review AR, but I can't remember the >details. I think they gave it a 7 or something like that. SPIN has a >book out that lists all their reviews in easy-to-find format by artist. >Just find it, look up Moby, and you're in business. It's in any >Waldenbooks store. > was it a seven they gave it? i think it was closer to four, i remember reading it and being pretty pissed cause i thought it was a really good album. oh well, it's probably best just to stick with your own feelings on music anyway. Andrew "Give me Liberace or give me death." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) Everytime you win me Date: 05 Sep 1998 12:26:12 -0700 >i also picked up two moby vinyls: "everytime you touch me "( it has some >remixes for that competition they had back in the day), and "honey", with >three other remixes which i have not listened to yet. The ETYTM 12"-is that the one with the Tabernacle remix? That thing *rocks*, it totally should have won the competition... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kpicara@juno.com (sarah j mamott) Subject: (mobility) ryan taylor Date: 05 Sep 1998 13:20:44 EDT is ryan taylor still on this list ? i sent him money for that comp. video months and months ago and recieved nothing.. sorry to post here but i don't have his address. ryan please reply to me if you read this. ,sarah _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) ryan taylor Date: 05 Sep 1998 13:27:39 EDT I have mentioned that video a few times and no response from the list except other people saying that he said he was real busy. I have a feeling he just got like 60 bucks for free.... Hopefully I am wrong, but I doubt it. If you find him, let me know. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) ryan taylor Date: 05 Sep 1998 12:44:43 -0500 >I have mentioned that video a few times and no response from the list except >other people saying that he said he was real busy. I have a feeling he just >got like 60 bucks for free.... Hopefully I am wrong, but I doubt it. If you >find him, let me know. Later. I've emailed him a couple times and said something on the list before too but no response from him. He still posts to the list every now and then so I'm sure he's reading this. Yeah, I'd like my video or my money back. I know it was only $6 or whatever, but it's mostly the principal of the matter. Screwing people around like that isn't a good idea--esp. when we've got your name and email address, etc. --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) SPIN Date: 05 Sep 1998 09:51:23 -0500 > I used to subscribe to it (from '94 up until a few months ago.) I >might be missing some issues from a few months, but tell me what you >want and I'll see if i can't find them? Why anyone would want to consult SPIN, especially in the last 2 years of the magazine's tenure, I will never know!!! SPIN is one of the worst magazines out there for music, half of it isn't even centered around music: fashion spreads, celebridy(actors,etc) intereviews, movie reviews and computer shit. I'm glad I let my subscription run out!!! These are the people that gave Radiohead's OK Computer the #1 spot of the year and then next month in an article accuses them of pandering to the critics instead of making popular music!!!! SPIN has done nothing but get worse over the 3 years that I subscribed to it. Not only that but the utter lack of reviews of decent new music like moby, crystal method, orbital, etc, is proof that they no longer really care about music or the quality of thier work but how many full page glossy ads they can shove down my throat. No thanks SPIN, if I wanted post-modern banter I would consult 17 magazine > *** This message was delayed due to being caught in a mail filter. > *** It has passed the approval process and has NOT been edited. > *** Damian / mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) SPIN Date: 05 Sep 1998 09:51:23 -0500 > I used to subscribe to it (from '94 up until a few months ago.) I >might be missing some issues from a few months, but tell me what you >want and I'll see if i can't find them? Why anyone would want to consult SPIN, especially in the last 2 years of the magazine's tenure, I will never know!!! SPIN is one of the worst magazines out there for music, half of it isn't even centered around music: fashion spreads, celebridy(actors,etc) intereviews, movie reviews and computer shit. I'm glad I let my subscription run out!!! These are the people that gave Radiohead's OK Computer the #1 spot of the year and then next month in an article accuses them of pandering to the critics instead of making popular music!!!! SPIN has done nothing but get worse over the 3 years that I subscribed to it. Not only that but the utter lack of reviews of decent new music like moby, crystal method, orbital, etc, is proof that they no longer really care about music or the quality of thier work but how many full page glossy ads they can shove down my throat. No thanks SPIN, if I wanted post-modern banter I would consult 17 magazine > *** This message was delayed due to being caught in a mail filter. > *** It has passed the approval process and has NOT been edited. > *** Damian / mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (mobility) SPIN Date: 05 Sep 1998 15:29:46 -0600 imho, Alternative Press is BY FAR the best music magazine available, as far as none-specialized music magazines are concerned. that comment didn't have much relevance, but i just thought i'd share my 2 cents. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Chris Perkins "It's nice to be important, cdperk@trib.com but it's more important to be nice." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> I'm the king of Boggle, there is none higher/ I get 11 points for the word quagmire. -The Beastie Boys <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: (mobility) What a day... so far. Date: 05 Sep 1998 15:48:09 -0600 Hi guys, First of all, I apologize to Christopher Bourke for screwing up his email and having to send it twice. A word in the email text caused the list filter to bounce it for my approval and I messed up sending it through the first time. Eek. But I do have something good to share. Last night I went clubbing and a most excellent night it was! There's a local club that I go to almost every Friday night where they have three rooms. The first room it mostly commercial/retro crap that plays a few good tunes on occasion. The second room isn't worth mentioning, it's screwy. But the third room is awesome. The DJ plays the kind of stuff I like to hear... tends to be house music but not on the deep end. So I'm sitting down trying to get the sweat to dry off because I've been dancing too hard and for too long when this great tune comes on. I'm only halfway sober (eek) so all of my faculties aren't quite there. Anyway, I'm hearing this tune w/some chunky piano, heavy beats, and an echo of some instrument or sound. I sat in this chair with my eyes turned up looking to the sky and my feet starting to dance below me. It takes a minute or two for me to realize that it's the Westbam and Hardy Hard mix of HONEY playing!!! As soon as I clued in, I went ballistic and rushed to the dance floor only to hear the last minute of the song play and be mixed out. :( Funny thing is... when I first realized it was Honey... I couldn't figure out what mix it was. But it sounded terrific! It made my night and I should have thanked the DJ.... last night, GOD WAS A DJ! (I've yet to hear the new Faithless tune) When I first heard the Westbam/Hardy mix it didn't stand out at all. But I listened to it a few more time because I knew it was Westbam and I had to have missed something. The mix grew on me and I ended up enjoying it quite a bit. However, hearing it last night at a club was mind blowing. It was perfect. And shocking too since the single hasn't been released in any form in the US. I've gotta meet that DJ! Okay, I think I've gone on for long enough. Have a good day everyone! Damian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) What a day... so far. Date: 05 Sep 1998 20:14:16 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Damian > But I do have something good to share. Last night I went clubbing and a > most excellent night it was! > What a killer story. Went out clubbing myself last night and had the best time I've had in weeks. Jett, the DJ, who usually plays house and big beat stuff, was in a retro mood and loaded his set with lots of new wave and euro pop remixes. When he went from Blondie's "Heart of Glass" to Eurythmics' "Sweet Dreams" to New Order's "True Faith," I knew I was in heaven. I danced for two hours straight, and when I left the floor to use the facilities and get a Diet Coke, I couldn't hardly walk unless I kept moving my legs to a beat. Some other DJ came on around 2 and started playing a lot of Deep House and big beat, which made for a good excuse to dance all slutty with the person I was with. Jett dropped in Moby's 118 Mix of Honey a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't get to dance to it, because I was the one who brought him the cd. So I was stuck in the booth with him while he played it. I would've been down on the floor, but he mixed it in as soon as I handed it to him. I cued up the Westbam/Hardy mix after I read Damien's message, and, man it does slam! I've been mostly paying attention to Moby's mixes. But I cued this one up and turned the volume and the sub wa-a-ay up and let it fly. This would rule on the dance floor. Aauugh, if i only had it on vinyl, I know it would be in total rotation at the club I go to. Jett's a big Moby fan, but he doesn't drop him in nearly enough. Maybe because Moby hasn't done primarily dance music since EIW. I'd love to hear some of the Hymn mixes played sometime. Or Honey. Or Revolver. Hell, Go would send me into a frenzy. That said, the thing I've been enjoying in clubland lately are the remixes from Madonna's *Ray of Light.* The Vito Calderone mix is what they play the most. I love Orbit's Liquid mix. And Sasha's ultra violet is really good once it starts to cook about four minutes in. I'm dying to hear the mixes from Drowned World/Substitute for Love. Especially the BT/Sasha mix. Anyone else out there heard it yet? BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doc Mo Subject: (mobility) Honey Date: 06 Sep 1998 22:58:56 +0200 (MET DST) Hi there, does anybody understand the complete vocals of this gorgeous song? I would be happy if anybody could post the text to me. ("Honey come back sometime...") Thanx, Doc Mo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) unrelated Date: 07 Sep 1998 04:16:56 -0700 (PDT) okay fuck spin anyway i just a few hours ago heard the new unkle cd on the radio. pretty awesome. a big mix of rock/hiphop/rap/classical/found sound/etc. collaborations with everybody.... its not as good as endtroducing but its still phat. one of the years best. i also heard "mother" on the radio. I always love it when they play goldie on the radio. WPKN RULES! um okay to make this moby-related, i heard the sharam j mix of honey the other day on 104's elektronika show. its pretty good i guess. still havent heard the original in full. anyone hear anythig about that permanent midnight cd i hinted about? honey's on it. september 15. geffen records. maybe moby's switching to geffen? anyone? L8z == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Bessie Jones unsuccesful search Date: 07 Sep 1998 14:10:35 +0200 > Kickass review, Xaq! I agree... I'm just a music fan (amateur), but that review made me feel terribly ignorant.. :) > I've tracked down someone who reviewed Sounds Of The South, and I'm awaiting > a response regarding Bessie Jones' contributions. As far as I know, that is > the only Atlantic release w/ her appearing. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky > and find some lyrics. Anyone want to join me in the search for info? I got the same place on Atlantic... Nothing on lyrics.ch (well, that was a bit obbious, but I lost nothing trying), cdnow (hah!)... I guess if Bessie Jones has got herself an email ... :-? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) magic carpet ride Date: 07 Sep 1998 05:21:59 -0700 I have one mix of the Mighty Dub Katz- Magic Carpet Ride its the Ulti Mix. Absolutely no similarity to the Steppenwolf song at all, but then again it's a remix (but I think I would notice if there was any connection at all) Anyway, not that impressed with it either way paul Steve Giles wrote: > > The B-52s have just released a single for their time-capsule release that > has various remixes on it, including Moby's Schottische mix. It's a major > release & your local corporate vendor will have it in the singles section. > It's a high-priced single at 6.99 w/ 6 or 7 tracks, all together. I just > ordered it on 12", I would've just got this if I'd known, instead of > waiting. Oh well. I'll let everyone know about it when I get it, I'm just > glad it's more accessible now. > > I don't suppose anybody knows if the Mighty Dub Katz' song "Magic Carpet > Ride" is a house cover of Steppenwolf's? > > -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" Subject: (mobility) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:32:13 -0500 Date: 07 Sep 1998 17:58:40 -0600 Can anyone tell me where I can find EIW Remixed for the best price? Kevon craigras@msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) unrelated Date: 07 Sep 1998 18:41:02 -0600 Paul Simpson wrote: > > um okay to make this moby-related, i heard the sharam j mix of honey > the other day on 104's elektronika show. its pretty good i guess. > still havent heard the original in full. anyone hear anythig about > that permanent midnight cd i hinted about? honey's on it. september > 15. geffen records. maybe moby's switching to geffen? > > anyone? i haven't heard anything about it... but Geffen, hmm, interesting. I'm kinda getting anxious to see him sign with a label. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: (mobility) Blitskrieg Labor Day Special - 50% More Music Date: 07 Sep 1998 02:29:29 -0500 Yeah, give us Monday off and that's all the reason we need to stay on the air an extra hour. Thanks to Jason Lapp from the Visitors and Nick Williams from Mindrage and Rhiannon for paying us keeping us company in the studio. Biltzkrieg, 11 p.m. Sundays, KABF 88.3, Little Rock, AR Playlist for 7 September, 1998 Moby "Honey" dcTalk "Supernatural" the Visitors "Some Other Day" Tess Wiley "Out of My Head" Steve Taylor "I Want to be a Clone" (Live) Sixpence None the Richer "Sad But True" POD "Full Color" Mindrage "Passover" Zao "Lies of Serpents... A River of Tears" Every Day Life "Salt Circles" the Blamed "Beginning in the End" Frodus "the Misaligned Men of Flomaton" Eso Charis "Once Upon a Fashionable" Living Sacrifice "No Longer" Embodyment "Religious Infamy" Training For Utopia "the Falling Cycle" Stavesacre "Shiv" Common Children "Burn" MxPx "I Can Be Friends With You" Brandtson "Round 13" Exeter Flud "Your December" Appleseed Cast "Marigold & Patchwork" Circle Of Dust "Waste of Time" Scott Blackwell "One to the Power of One" Evanescence "Understanding" Paramecium "In Exordium" Starflyer 59 "I Drive A Lot" Pedro the Lion "Big Trucks" Soul Junk "Young Businessman's Psychic Makeout the Calicoes "Honkey Tonk Rollin' Fool" Squad 5-0 "Fight the System" Officer Negative "Don't Turn Around" Dogwood "In the Line of Fire" the Huntingtons "You're Not Right" Living Sacrifice "Threatened" Blindside "Liberty" (Live @ Vinos, Little Rock, AR, 26 June, 1998) Travail "Weakling" Mindrage "Destructive Patterns" Viva Voce "He Touches Stars" Catharsis & the Humdrum "G" Brian Briley "Perfect World" Vigilantes of Love "Rising, Although Slow" Any Requests? Brad S. Caviness, Ricochet Bigwig Ricochet Internet Music Magazine (http://www.ricochetmusic.com) bigwig@ricochetmusic.com "I am a cipher wrapped in an enigma smothered in a secret sauce." -- Jimmy James, "News Radio" "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." -- Moby, musician. > *** This message was delayed due to being caught in a mail filter. > *** It has passed the approval process and the header field has > *** been edited. Damian / mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Blitskrieg Labor Day Special - 50% More Music Date: 07 Sep 1998 23:56:24 EDT Besides for Moby, I have never heard of any of those people. What kind of music is that? I have a feeling it is heavy, but I don't know. And, IF there is anyone who wants to buy a James Bond Limited Ed. Promo with 54(?) sec audio interview, please tell me before the end of Tuesday. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) Blitskrieg Labor Day Special - 50% More Music Date: 07 Sep 1998 23:30:00 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Spydercorp@aol.com > Besides for Moby, I have never heard of any of those people. What kind of > music is that? > thanks for noticing. Some of it's heavy. My motto is I try to change the station before you do. So, I play a mix of "alternative," punk, ska, techno, goth, industrial, and a good dose of metal (because the kids like it). Also, nearly all of the artists are Christian (in the sense that they believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ, not that they ascribe to any religious or political agenda). Hopefully, one day we'll be on the web so everyone can listen in. Brad S. Caviness, Blitz Bigwig Ricochet Internet Music Magazine (http://www.ricochetmusic.com) bigwig@ricochetmusic.com "I am a cipher wrapped in an enigma smothered in a secret sauce." -- Jimmy James, "News Radio" "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." -- Moby, musician. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bill tatalovich Subject: RE: (mobility) Blitskrieg Labor Day Special - 50% More Music Date: 08 Sep 1998 00:52:52 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Brad Caviness wrote: > thanks for noticing. Some of it's heavy. My motto is I try to change the > station before you do. So, I play a mix of "alternative," punk, ska, techno, > goth, industrial, and a good dose of metal (because the kids like it). Also, > nearly all of the artists are Christian (in the sense that they believe in > the Deity of Jesus Christ, not that they ascribe to any religious or > political agenda). First off, Brad, I liked (for the most part, but I won't mention the stuff I don't like) the playlist. Very in tune with the kind of stuff I play (although, unlike most people here, I don't have the "Honey" single yet, and neither does my radio station). Second, I noticed this: > Appleseed Cast "Marigold & Patchwork" And you didn't put emo into your list above! Just kidding around...Appleseed Cast (along with the majority of Deep Elm Records' bands) is very good....well, but since I'm starting to get into emo-core music, I guess I'm biased. But everyone should hear "Writing It Down For You," by Pop Unknown. Sure, it ain't electronic...but it's a sweet song. Okay, I've wasted everyone's time for long enough. Take it easy. Bill Tatalovich |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | Home page: | | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | feedback for toddlers e-zine: | | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | http://www.poboxes.com/fft/ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: (mobility) Re: EIW remixed Date: 08 Sep 1998 02:49:56 -0700 Craig J. Rasmussen wrote: > > Can anyone tell me where I can find EIW Remixed for the best price? I got mine at (the now closed) "Music Land" for $14-15 bucks in person. I'm in milwaukee (which is fairly booooring as far as record shops, and clubs are concerned)and I *think* it is still available at other stores here for cheap. I think it's more at CD Now, actually it seems like CDnow is slightly expensive. speaking of EIW; I think someone may have mentioned this before but what is the 2nd CD from the 2CD EIW like? is this ambient music? bye. -Anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Honey single on radio stations Date: 08 Sep 1998 12:17:59 +0200 On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 12:52:52AM -0500, bill tatalovich wrote: > (although, unlike most people here, I don't have the "Honey" single yet, > and neither does my radio station). Hmmm... That seems a good idea... Sending "Honey" to your favourite radio station, so they wont have that excuse... I'm gonna think about it... -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Honey & stuff Date: 08 Sep 1998 11:49:18 -0400 Still no response from that reviewer of "Sounds Of The South"..... Damian, I wish our local rave DJs would play Honey, I suspect it's being heard in clubs, but alas, I am but 19 years old and cannot enter that potential paradise. I can understand what you mean when you say it fit perfectly...the Westbam mix, that is. I liked it right off the bat, despite it's simplicity. Dr. Paul, :) thanks for the response on the Dub Katz. I got it and was not impressed either. Didn't measure up to "It's Just Another Groove" at all. (other members: you may have heard this, it goes "I think that we should get back together-gether-gether-gether....) Hey Jonathan, Bessie was recorded in the 50's, despite Moby's maneagement saying the 30's...the 30's was when Alan Lomax started off w/ his father travelling and recording. Either way, if she's still alive, I doubt she's online. I could be wrong.... Does anybody know if Dog Heaven (extended) is close to the original? I loaned out my VC CD so I couldn't check, but the extended mix on the 12" sounds lots different than I remember. Of course, I did hear the lopez mix 1st on Maximum Electronica, so I may be delusional. Who's got the scoop on Moby's mix for Soundgarden? Anyone heard? I'm in a bidding war for it, and it's going to my opponent unless there's a good reason to spend too much money on it. The song is "Dusty" on "Blow Up The Outside World" I don't see this often, I have no idea how common it is. Did the person who saw the Depeche Mode mix on bootleg hear it? Or see a listing for the source of that material? bye now -Steve G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Dog Heaven Date: 08 Sep 1998 10:10:48 -0600 [was Re: (mobility) Honey & stuff] Steve Giles wrote: > Does anybody know if Dog Heaven (extended) is close to the original? I > loaned out my VC CD so I couldn't check, but the extended mix on the 12" > sounds lots different than I remember. Of course, I did hear the lopez mix > 1st on Maximum Electronica, so I may be delusional. No, the Extended Mix is not that close to the original. Actually, all 5 versions of "Dog Heaven" are fairly similar to eachother, but whereas the original (UK) version is slow and floaty, the Extended Mix is fast and dancey, with a cool beat and some added/changed elements. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey & Bessie Date: 08 Sep 1998 21:03:14 +0200 On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 11:49:18AM -0400, Steve Giles wrote: > Still no response from that reviewer of "Sounds Of The South"..... They could make money selling a poster with a double photo of Moby and Bessie... > Hey Jonathan, Bessie was recorded in the 50's, despite Moby's maneagement > saying the 30's...the 30's was when Alan Lomax started off w/ his father > travelling and recording. Either way, if she's still alive, I doubt she's > online. I could be wrong.... alt.fan.bessie-jones ? ... no luck... But maybe it's a good idea asking in some afin newsgroup... I did it... Let's see if we're lucky... :) -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) grrrrrrrrrrrrrkillkillkill Date: 08 Sep 1998 15:18:28 -0400 Those bastards at the post office have damaged my Voodoo Child Remixes. Why, of all of them, did it have to be this one? I hope it plays okay. I guess I'll find out tonight. It looks badly beat up, but my pro needles can handle lots of damage on a record. I'll have to get these taped or burned quickly. The search goes on. That I Feel It/Thousand that we didn't know about has the I Feel It mix, the Synthe Mix, the Victory mix, & Thousand. Picture sleeve. Nothing unique, but the sleeve is very nifty. Go to wall of sound to vote for the top 100 of the 90's. I wrote in EIW, I encourage you to do the same. http://www.wallofsound.com Lucky me, I get to hear Sharam Jey's Sweet Honey & Rollo 7 Sister Bliss mixes tonight. I've been waiting since hearing that lots of you favor them. -Steve G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) blur 2xcd for CHEEP Date: 08 Sep 1998 15:03:41 -0700 (PDT) first of all, r.i.p. kurasawa "like karasawa i make mad films, 'kay i don't make films, but if i did they'd have a samurai!" um, i stayed afterschool today (artists workshop) and after that i went to the nearby record store, music box....they had Blur's Bustin n Dronin (2xcd import, 1 cd remixes, w/moby's mix of beetlebum, 1 live cd) for......get this..........13$!!!!!!!! and there were like 8 copies!!!!!!woo hoo!!!!! thats definitely my next purchase (I don't go around school carrying $50 everyday, like some folks i know) i also recently got blur's first cd, leisure. very stone roses-y, which is good. the lyrics suck though, but the musics good. but not nearly as good as parklife, or selftitled. dont know bout great escape tho. so if anyone wants this and can't find it in their area, or cant find it for this damn cheep, slip me sum billz, and you too can own a copy. i also found killer techno 2 for like 8$, which has Thousand. don't know anything else on this though. um........gee, anything else to say......oh yeah, i found out to pronounce mimi goese's last name. its 'GAY-zee".....hmmm, interesting...and also, i found on the new york times cd rom in the library that moby likes to sing karaoke to nursery rhymes like "Farmer In The Dell". or something. whatever. bye now!!!!! == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) Moby article from Vogue for Animal Rights Date: 08 Sep 1998 21:08:14 -0400 MOBY MAKES WAVES Perhaps you're expecting the night-crawling deejay, the electronic artist who delighted ravers by smashing keyboards and stage-diving Cobain style, oe even the man who painted himself silver for photo shoots. Instead, Moby, whom Rolling Stone dubbed "techno's first recognizable star," is a rather slight and remarkably cerebral musician rattling off theories about everything from the human condition to home furnishings. "Creative expression has to be a weird balance between chaos and order," says Moby, 31, whose 1995 album Everything is wrong swept through disparate music categories (disco to gritty rock to ambient). Animal rights pushes even further. Moby ( born Richard Melville Hall, great-great-grandnephew to, yes, Herman Melville) has rejected dance music for the discord of hard-core rock, which he gracefully offsets with soft, almost shymphonic interludes. It seems he has tired of the genre he was supposed to save, at least for now. He'd much rather discuss nineteenth century literature and why Moby has never made it through his namesake Moby dick ("There was definitely a cultural patience that i dont have, " he explains), his decision to go back to drinking after a long period of abstinence ("i realized it was ethically neutral"), and his furniture fixation ("bad designs make me angry"). Brought up in Darien, Conneticut, Moby spent his youth straddling two worlds: part time with his mother, a secretary and spirited hippie, in "borderline poverty," and then with his affluent sailboating grandparents. Adevout but unorthodox christian, enviormentalist,and strict vegan, Moby doesn't understimate the role that existential Christianity plays: "the first time i read the Gospel of Matthew," he says, "the only thing i can compare it to is the way people describe love at first sight. i just knew." -Nilou P. ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey & the clubs Date: 08 Sep 1998 19:57:44 -0600 Steve Giles wrote: > > Damian, I wish our local rave DJs would play Honey, I suspect it's being > heard in clubs, but alas, I am but 19 years old and cannot enter that > potential paradise. I can understand what you mean when you say it fit > perfectly...the Westbam mix, that is. I liked it right off the bat, despite > it's simplicity. When I heard Honey, I was at my favorite local club that has a nice set up and can appeal to a more people than normal. Like I've stated, it has three areas... the third is where I heard Honey and spend most of my time. This area happens to be for those who are 18 and older because no alcohol is allowed in that part of the club. :) The next night, at a different club, I heard two new tunes that I've been looking forward to. The new Faithless & Madonna. I now own both parts of the new Madonna single and I love them both but a mix was played in the club and I didn't like how it went down. However, the Faithless tune (god is a dj)... came across in excellent form. Can't wait to own that one! Damian (who came back from SF last week with over 50 new CD's to listen to!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) WallOfSound Date: 09 Sep 1998 14:15:40 +0200 On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 03:18:28PM -0400, Steve Giles wrote: > Go to wall of sound to vote for the top 100 of the 90's. I wrote in EIW, I > encourage you to do the same. > http://www.wallofsound.com Couldnt find any "Vote here!" and such on that URL... They dont even have a review or news of Moby... -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby article from Vogue for Animal Rights Date: 09 Sep 1998 14:22:14 +0200 On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 09:08:14PM -0400, Ryu wrote: Reading this article makes me want Moby to keep on being how he is: famous but not to be on every music TV magazine all day... I wonder if he's got more time than us(me) to stop and think about really important things... > MOBY MAKES WAVES [..] -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) WallOfSound Date: 09 Sep 1998 09:23:56 -0400 > Go to wall of sound to vote for the top 100 of the 90's. I wrote in EIW, I > encourage you to do the same. > http://www.wallofsound.com Couldnt find any "Vote here!" and such on that URL... They dont even have a review or news of Moby... Look for the Top 100 of the 60's, 70's, 80's, & 90's. You can vote from that page in whichever decade you like. There is a write-in option at the top of the band lists. The Top 100 page was on the front page yesterday, but if it isn't today, just choose features and you should see it. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: (mobility) moby's real name Date: 09 Sep 1998 16:21:34 +0200 does anybody know what Moby's real name is? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: (mobility) drop a beat Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:00:23 +0200 does anybody knows were I can find the "drop a beat"? I saw it on Pinkpop '98 and I like to buy it. Thanks. joris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) moby's real name Date: 09 Sep 1998 14:08:06 -0400 >does anybody know what Moby's real name is? Richard Melville Hall which reminds me that I need you dirtylisters to find out who does Underworld's dark & long (Hall's mix) I saw it on a comp but the comp didn't list the credits for remixers (ex. Charlatans song Chembros mix was credited to Charlatans writers only) I looked at the single for dark&long which lacked this track. Who gots the scoop? -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) drop a beat Date: 09 Sep 1998 14:09:23 -0400 >>does anybody knows were I can find the "drop a beat"? I saw it on Pinkpop '98 and I like to buy it. You can buy it and various other Moby selections at http://www.vvinyl.com I think they're on the east coast of the USA. -me again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 13:24:01 -0700 (PDT) okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in trouble...;) A lot of us have been talking about Moby collaborating with others. Many have mentioned Bjork, I mentioned Michael Stipe, Rekkit mentioned Trent Reznor. So who do yall think Moby should collab with? and I don't mean remix, or sample extensively, or have his music spliced with by tape, but actually go into the studio and record music with? just wondering...... and oh yeah, good luck aphex twin, hope ya win the MTV award yr nominated for!!! bye y'all == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 16:42:04 -0400 >>okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in trouble...;) Yay! I like polls! 1.) I'd like to see Moby collaborate w/ BT. Moby w/ an epic sound...yeah. 2.) How about Jack Dangers of Meat Beat fame? Can you imagine? I can't. 3.) I'd like to hear Moby's soundtrack to a superhero/action movie. 4.) MTV Celebrity Death Match: Moby vs. Charelton Heston...heh heh heh. Mr. Heston, in case you don't know, is the esteemed actor of Ben-Hur & Planet Of The Apes fame. He is now Mr. Prez of the National Rifle Association. 5.) Pearl Jam. Just cuz I'm curious. I hope Aphex wins, too, so more people can be exposed to the confusion. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's real name Date: 09 Sep 1998 18:43:52 -0700 >Richard Melville Hall It's like a bad interview ;) >to Charlatans writers only) I looked at the single for dark&long which >lacked this track. Who gots the scoop? You probably saw the 6 track release of the single (with some insanely long tracks). There's a 4 track with different songs on it-Hall's mix is one of them. It's just another mix by Rick Smith & Karl Hyde. Darren Emmerson didn't work on it for some reason... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:17:54 -0700 Paul Simpson wrote: >=20 > okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in > trouble...;) >=20 > A lot of us have been talking about Moby collaborating with others. > Many have mentioned Bjork, I mentioned Michael Stipe, Rekkit mentioned > Trent Reznor. If I could chose a team up, I would *love* to have Bj=F6rk & Moby work=20 together.=20 also I'd like to see Moby work with the rapper DMX, Milla Jovovich, Mono,= =20 Deep Forest, Prince, & Opus III and many others that I don't feel like=20 writing(and half of you guys don't feel like reading!). -Anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:07:56 -0400 >So who do yall think Moby should collab with? and I don't mean remix, >or sample extensively, or have his music spliced with by tape, but >actually go into the studio and record music with? i'd like to see him work with (as most of you already know as i've been saying it for years) O(+> [aka the artist]. i'd also like to see what he and goldie could cook up. both of them now how to put emotion into music very well. and if neither of them fly....then how 'bout ME! bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:12:45 EDT i'd to see moby and the jungle brothers work together and moybe church of extacy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:19:43 -0500 is church of exstacy still around and together?!!? andy i'd to see moby and the jungle brothers work together and moybe church of extacy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Tice Subject: (mobility) moby and afx Date: 09 Sep 1998 21:17:42 -0400 i'd also like to see moby work with bjork sometime, they're like my number 1 and 2 favorite artists. i know it does kind of sound retarded to try to quantify it like that, though. i'd also like to see aphex twin win tomorrow, i imagine his acceptance speech would be a little bit different than say the spice girls, if he showed up, that is. an mtv awards show doesn't really seem to be his scene, knowwhatimean? Andrew "Give me Liberace or give me death." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: RE: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 21:46:28 -0400 At 08:19 PM 9/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >is church of exstacy still around and together?!!? no. church of ecstacy (aka gto, technohead, etc...) are no longer in existance. lee newman died a few years back, and that ended the group. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 22:53:30 EDT I must be mistaken, but hasn't Moby done some thing with Trent Reznor before? And, I agree that BT and Moby could make an awesome song or whole album. I think BT is the most similar to Moby, and probably fresher too. But, maybe it is just me who think because of the music Moby makes and his abilities, working with someone else might not be that great. The song with Filter? on the Spawn soundtrack kind of sucks, but I don't know how they worked together. Anyway - Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 22:05:47 -0500 What's aphex twin nominated for? --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 23:08:08 EDT AFX is nominated for best special effects. I can almost guarantee that he will not win because he is up against some big names. I have never seen Come to Daddy though, so that is why it is almost. LAter. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "denika pratt" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 20:32:25 PDT >i'd like to see him work with (as most of you already know as i've >been saying it for years) O(+> [aka the artist]. I absolutely agree with that one. The two of them together could produce phenomenal music. Hope to see it happen someday. d. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 09 Sep 1998 22:39:44 CDT Deep Forest would be good, as would Enigma. But, I'd also like to see him team up with non-techno artists. Jim Brickman or David Benoit? BT would also be good, but it would have to be better than something like "Tiny Rubberband" with the BH Surfers. That song just...wasn't that great. Something Novio-ish with Enigma would be good. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: that girl Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 10 Sep 1998 01:28:18 -0500 i think moby in an ambient collaboration with tori amos.. her voice would sound perfect with his soundscapes. ana the toriphile ana: wids0011@tc.umn.edu tree@2z.net my every sound. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's real name Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:02:15 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:21:34 +0200 Joris Munnik wrote: > does anybody know what Moby's real name is? > > > Richard Hall, as far as I know. > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 10 Sep 1998 10:20:52 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Paul Simpson wrote: > okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in > trouble...;) > > A lot of us have been talking about Moby collaborating with others. > Many have mentioned Bjork, I mentioned Michael Stipe, Rekkit mentioned > Trent Reznor. > > So who do yall think Moby should collab with? and I don't mean remix, > I think an interesting but bizarre collab. would be with The Cure, Nick Cave, even P.J. Harvey or Curve, but seriously, maybe a good one would be with U2, Spiritualised, The Orb, Massive Attack or the Beastie Boys. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:41:35 -0700 >I must be mistaken, but hasn't Moby done some thing with Trent Reznor before? Nope, but that fateful day should be coming around soon I figure. They've both remixed Bowie, covered Joy Division & been remixed by Aphrodite. The stars are all in alignment....;) >working with someone else might not be that great. The song with Filter? on >the Spawn soundtrack kind of sucks, but I don't know how they worked together. >Anyway - Later. I didn't mind the track with the Butthole Surfers actually-not his best but pretty decent... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) moby/? Date: 10 Sep 1998 07:38:31 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Beecher > > okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in > > trouble...;) > > > > So who do yall think Moby should collab with? > > > I think an interesting but bizarre collab. ... U2 > Oh Tim, you hit on a dream/fantasy of mine. Moby hit the road last year for Animal Rights/Score about the same time U2 hit the states both times for POP. I told all my friends I would go anywhere, pay any amount to see Moby play with U2. Individually, I can resist driving to St Louis or Dallas. But collectively, I would be compelled to go. I don't know why this bill didn't happen. I think I would still kill to see it. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) moby/? Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:05:30 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:38:31 -0500 Brad Caviness wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Beecher > > > okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in > > > trouble...;) > > > > > > So who do yall think Moby should collab with? > > > > > I think an interesting but bizarre collab. ... U2 > > > Oh Tim, you hit on a dream/fantasy of mine. Moby hit the road last year for > Animal Rights/Score about the same time U2 hit the states both times for > POP. I told all my friends I would go anywhere, pay any amount to see Moby > play with U2. Individually, I can resist driving to St Louis or Dallas. But > collectively, I would be compelled to go. I don't know why this bill didn't > happen. I think I would still kill to see it. > > BSC > Now seeing U2 and Moby play at the same venue would be the ultimate - I totally agree, especially if U2 mainly played their old late 70s and 80s stuff. TMB > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) voodoo child - slight return Date: 10 Sep 1998 09:30:23 -0400 Interesting discovery: The edit of Voodoo Child on Early Underground, which is credited to the remix 12", is actually an edit of the Brainstorm mix. (This is the one with "Come on everybody let's all get down!") You'd think that since they said naught about this on EU that the edit would be of the Original Mix. Well, it's not. The original mix has that ambient riff used in slight return,(during long breakdowns) without the layers and pitch variations. "Voodoo Child (Original Mix)" can just as effectively be titled "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)" No Buttons To Push is a short thing at just over a minute, a nifty bass groove w/ lots of samples of what I beleive is Hendrix's voice. Certainly sounds like him saying "No buttons to push" He says other stuff too, but I can't recall what offhand. Oh, and it was criminal of Instinct to edit any of these mixes. The endings are great. -S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:21:35 +0200 On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 01:28:18AM -0500, that girl wrote: > i think moby in an ambient collaboration with tori amos.. her voice would > sound perfect with his soundscapes. Have you listened to BT+Tori Amos "Blue Skies" ? How do you think, guys and gals, BT and Moby music can be compared ? I admin that I've only listened to "Blue Skies" (and several of its remixes), but BT sounded quite different than Moby... :-? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's real name Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:51:34 +0200 Tim Beecher schreef: > On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:21:34 +0200 Joris Munnik > wrote: > > > does anybody know what Moby's real name is? > > > > > > Richard Hall, as far as I know. > > > > ---------------------- > Tim Beecher > Cranfield University > T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk Thanks Tim, You were the only one who knows the answer to my question. That surprised me. I thought more people knew it. joris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Moby FAQ Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:39:28 +0200 I'm sure that a lot of people knew Moby's real name, but guess that a few people answered cause it's a FAQ question... BTW... Dont you think it'll be good creating and maintaining a FAQ about Moby ? I'll collect questions and answers myself, but I think my english is not good enough. -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's real name Date: 10 Sep 1998 15:47:34 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:51:34 +0200 Joris Munnik wrote: > Tim Beecher schreef: > > > On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:21:34 +0200 Joris Munnik > > wrote: > > > > > does anybody know what Moby's real name is? > > > > > > > > > Richard Hall, as far as I know. > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > Tim Beecher > > Cranfield University > > T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk > > Thanks Tim, You were the only one who knows the answer to my question. > That surprised me. I thought more people knew it. > > joris > > Don't mention it, but I think a few others got there before I did. One or two said Richard Melville Hall. I looked up http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ where they had a small article about Moby. Apparently Moby is the great, great grandson/nephew? or something (can't remember now) of Herman (sp.?) Melville, the author of Moby Dick - hence Moby's nickname. TMB ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:12:35 -0400 I knew his name, too, don't forget me. I answered yesterday. I agree that BT & Moby are quite different. They both are good at communicating feeling to the listener, but in style and structure the differences become apparent. While I can't really describe Moby's sound well, I would use descriptions like tight, focused, introspective. With BT I'd say dreamy, epic, even groovy sometimes. Even so, these words don't do justice to the differences. I think the reason people say they sound alike is because many people react to their music almost the same way. Both have emotional power, and both can transport you to a place you never knew existed. I'd like to help with a faq, but my company has been bought and the new policy is no personal stuff on work computers. I'll have to quit this list soon until I get my own computer. I can't even sign up for a Yahoo address from here, the corporate gods can read every keystroke of mine, and soon they will be. Right now they're looking for offenders within the company of having material of bad taste on their hard drives. Once they finish w/ that they'll come looking for people w/ games on their computers. Then, finally they'll go for the e-mail culprits like myself. If you do make a faq I'll edit it, or make sure the english is good, ya know? (bad english in a sentence about good enlish, hey now) I quite agree on the Moby/U2 thing. Motley Crue was my favorite when I was in elementary school, U2 was my favorite for junior high and the first two years of high school, and Moby has been my favorite during the dropout years and present. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:12:14 EDT In a message dated 9/10/98 2:23:54 PM, kobalt@james.encomix.es writes: <> I think that BT's greatest song that I have heard is Blue Skies, but that is not where I find the comparison. His first Album, IMA (which means "now" in Japanese incase anyone ever wondered why there was a chinese writing on the cover) was a 2 disc and the second disc is 4 tracks, 2 Blue Skies, a great 40 min track and something else. The first CD is regular BT, and it is really good - danceable like Blue Skies if I remember correctly. However, where I find the comparison is his second Album, ESCM (which I still am wondering what it stands for). The mix of songs reminded me of EIW, especially when track 6 came around which is kind of like one of those hard Moby songs or a NIN song. Robert Miles comes to mind when I think of Remember, the most popular track, but Moby comes back with Love, Peace, and Greace, the most acclaimed track. Again, I hate reviewing music, but if that made sense, I hope it helped. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 18:16:20 +0200 On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 11:12:35AM -0400, Steve Giles wrote: > I'd like to help with a faq, but my company has been bought and the new > policy is no personal stuff on work computers. That sounds bad... Did Microsoft buy your company ? :) > If you do make a faq I'll > edit it, or make sure the english is good, ya know? (bad english in a > sentence about good enlish, hey now) hehehe. Well, perhaps Daniel would publish the FAQ (once we have a first version or so) on his web. What do you think, Daniel ? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: that girl Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:40:43 -0500 >> i think moby in an ambient collaboration with tori amos.. her voice would >> sound perfect with his soundscapes. >Have you listened to BT+Tori Amos "Blue Skies" ? blue skies is beautiful but i'm generally not into BT's brand of techno. it's lacking something to me. the remixes for her song raspberry swirl are gorgeous, the scarlet spectrum feels mix reminds me of moby's ambient stuff (choir and all) . > >How do you think, guys and gals, BT and Moby music can be compared ? I >admin that I've only listened to "Blue Skies" (and several of its remixes), >but BT sounded quite different than Moby... :-? > BT sounds a lot different.. BT couldn't touch moby imo. -ana you can't turn me into a whore like that................................ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) the Moby faq Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:42:23 -0400 J.Ruano wrote: >>Did Microsoft buy your company ? :) No, actually it was Compaq. Let's start w/ this rough outline. I encourage all list members to send ideas. Jonathan, are you getting us started? With all the changes suggestions etc. the list would get clogged w/ lots of repetive nonsense. Basically I think we should start by collecting ideas then the actual process of writing and editing should be done via private e-mail. 1.Moby's biography 1.1 Born & raised 1.2 Punk bands 1.3 Moby w/ Flipper & Ulta Vivid Scene (we need info here!) 1.4 Moby's residences (was there a meat packing factory or something?) 1.5 Moby vs. Instinct 2.Moby's theology, essays, beleifs, etc. 3.Moby's releases (link to the discography, perhaps?) 4.Controversy (EIW genre-straddle, AR no dance period, etc.) This one might belong under number 1. 5.Assorted info (the possible GNR producer role, the car ad for charity) 6.Moby on the web (link to the Directory page?) All right, if anyone has something to offer, now is the time. Particularly something that isn't obvious. I'm sure everyone on this list will appreciate it if nobody replies frivolously. If you're serious about contributing, take the time & effort to review what we've got, what we're missing, what we need to improve, etc. What I'm saying is don't bother to toss out one-liner messages that will clog the list. If people feel that we're already posting too much about this project to the list, please let us know and we'll move it to 1 on 1 e-mail. Jonathan, this could be quite a large project. Are you sure you want to move forward with this? -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Moby FAQ Date: 10 Sep 1998 11:20:04 -0600 Jonathan Ruano wrote: > hehehe. Well, perhaps Daniel would publish the FAQ (once we have a first > version or so) on his web. What do you think, Daniel ? I'm too busy to maintain it myself, but I'd be more than willing to host it on my website, and to handle any HTML conversions if you want it in HTML (as opposed to plain text). Mike Brown used to maintain a Moby FAQ, before I was even on the web. Actually, it was the Moby FAQ and Discography. I didn't know of its existence when I became interested in the WWW in early 1995, and my searches didn't find it. So I started my Moby page and discography, and several months later learned that there was a Moby page before mine (way before mine) and also a discography. The last version of Mike's Moby discography is at http://www.moby.org/info/mobydsc4.txt It does not include the FAQ (though it has a little bit of stuff near the beginning that might be usable in a FAQ). Somewhere I also have an older document that is the Moby FAQ + discography, but it's not online at the moment. I have it on a disk somewhere, and I'll try to look it up. I think it could serve as an excellent source of info and guidance in getting started. Maybe all that needs to be done is a really major update to this already-existing document. Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) the Moby faq Date: 10 Sep 1998 19:28:58 +0200 On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 12:42:23PM -0400, Steve Giles wrote: > No, actually it was Compaq. /me looks up to the From: field.. and notices @digital.com Oops... sorry No pun intended. > Basically I think we should start by collecting ideas then the actual > process of writing and editing should be done via private e-mail. Aha.. It seems a good practice. We'll have and unofficial (or beta) FAQ till it gets something fairly complete. I wonder if we could get something out of that interview one of the Mobydicts (and his girlfriend) made to Moby. > 1.Moby's biography > 1.1 Born & raised > 1.2 Punk bands > 1.3 Moby w/ Flipper & Ultra Vivid Scene (we need info here!) > 1.4 Moby's residences (was there a meat packing factory or something?) > 1.5 Moby vs. Instinct > 2.Moby's theology, essays, beleifs, etc. > 3.Moby's releases (link to the discography, perhaps?) Of course, moby.org's a very good resource. > 4.Controversy (EIW genre-straddle, AR no dance period, etc.) > This one might belong under number 1. > 5.Assorted info (the possible GNR producer role, the car ad for charity) Moby's on cinema, famous TV ads, etc. > 6.Moby on the web (link to the Directory page?) Any other UNIX guy 'round here ? > Jonathan, this could be quite a large project. Are you sure you want to move > forward with this? You can bet. In a week, my exams will be over, and I'll got plenty of time (well, more or less, but I spend a lot of time online) to modify and add things to the FAQ. As for the design, I guess it could be written in some portable format, and then render it to HTML/ascii, so it can be distributed easily by HTTP/email. -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) the Moby faq Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:31:26 EDT I think it is a great idea for the FAQ, but it is a huge job. I would love to help, but I am leaving for Japan in 2 weeks. Anyway, one thing I would love to see on the Faq that you left out is a whole list of Abbreviations. Even now, after 6 months on this list, I still can't figure out half of them, especially that more obscure or long ones. GMOTFOTW or WICILTD or ATIWIBL always kill me, and those are the ones I can remember. A nice list I and others could print out and paste up right next to the computer. That would really be awesome. I don't think you need to add ones like IMHO or FYI, stuff that is not Moby, but it would help too. Anyway, good luck with this project. If it gets done it would be awesome. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby FAQ Date: 10 Sep 1998 19:23:14 +0200 Jonathan Ruano schreef: > I'm sure that a lot of people knew Moby's real name, but guess that a few > people answered cause it's a FAQ question... BTW... Dont you think it'll > be good creating and maintaining a FAQ about Moby ? > > I'll collect questions and answers myself, but I think my english is not > good enough. > > -- > Jonathan Ruano Making a FAQ about Moby is a good idea. But who can make it? My English is not good at all. So, if anyone reads this and wants to make a MOBY FAQ, I have interrest. greetings, bad typing joris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:02:28 CDT I don't think anyone could really compare the two, since their styles vary so much. Both of them are really varied musicians. 'Ima' is easily one of the best albums I've got, although ESCM didn't impress me that much (even though "Flaming June" is one of my favorite songs); it sounded different than 'Ima'. "Blue Skies" is a good song, but I much prefer the Delphinium Days Mix. Still, though, a song with both contributing would be awesome, or maybe even a whole album or e.p. P.S.: They've both remixed each other, haven't they? As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Matthew Damerow Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:23:13 -0400 everyone keeps saying bt, who is bt? sorry if im dumb. forever living, matches m malone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) faq faq faq! Date: 10 Sep 1998 14:49:49 -0400 I think the abbreviations are a wonderful idea. Thanks, AJ. Jonathan, since you've got exams now, that'll give Daniel time to see if he has the old faq. Perhaps we can work off that. Speaking of interviews, I'd like to ask Moby about that Japanese Sex Painting mystery, and verify that which I'm sure of: that it is his voice at the beginning of "Blue Light". BT is Brian Transeau, a music writer/producer from Maryland who makes a good living off of Europe's far superior taste in music. (to the US) He did a great song w/ Tori Amos, (who's managers discouraged her working w/ a nobody) and was discovered by Sasha, a dj/producer, who heard his house mix of a Led Zeppelin song. It seems that Moby & BT have many fans in common. No, I don't think Moby & BT have worked with each other in any capacity except for appearing at the same concerts. No mixes or collaborations. I didn't know moby did mixes for N'Joi & Freddie Mercury that were unreleased. Interesting. It's in the old discography. -Steve Giles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) faq faq faq! Date: 10 Sep 1998 21:03:09 +0200 > Jonathan, since you've got exams now, that'll give Daniel time to see if he > has the old faq. Perhaps we can work off that. Ok.. Then, we'll start talking about it in two weeks (this weekend, and my next everlasting-exams week :( ). By now, I'm going home to relax a bit seeing two old X-files chapters... I know, but I cant avoid seeing them again :) Got an idea about average profile of a Moby fan. We could draw interesting results.. Hey, it's been great having an almost online chat with all of you. Later! -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) collabs Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:06:26 -0700 (PDT) hey giles when you said that thing about charlton heston i laughed my ass off!!! i love celeb death match its stupid but sooooooooo funny anyway yes tori is up there on my collab list as is trent maybe richard fearless (Death In Vegas)? don't forget Plastikman hey heres an idea all the richards in techno team up for a supertour! Plastikman Richard Kirk Aphex Moby DIV gee who else am i missing....? (now back ON topic...) and of course Michael Stipe. who was my original choice. even though stipe says hes too old and smart to go electronic. hey ryu, you collaborating w/ moby aint such a bad idea! here's an idea....moby w/ someone like EBN or Coldcut or Negativland, one of those like media manipualtors, that would be cool. U2....well, i never really liked u2. they have a few good songs but for the most part i think they suck. sorry. bjork....well....i thnik bjorks music is ment to be more abstract...like Mark Bell of LFO works better with bjork...of course maybe something from Debut would sound good w/moby.... of course madonna and moby would be cool too. i could imagine moby and dangers moby and mono, theres an idea. moby and nkotb? there you go. Moby and goldie would rock. okay bye i guess.....GOOD LUCK APHEXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!! == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby FAQ Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:35:41 -0600 Jonathan Ruano wrote: > I think this could be a good non-from-scratch startup. > > Please, tell us if you manage to find it. Got it! Actually, I found three different versions of it. They really make me wish I was on the net in 1992 and 1993. Thoze wuz neet timez, and the net was relatively young. Here are the files: http://www.moby.org/info/MobyFAQ19920730.txt http://www.moby.org/info/MobyFAQ19930101.txt http://www.moby.org/info/MobyFAQ19930828.txt They have some other things attached, such as ancient versions of the Moby discography, and an Instinct discography. The 19930101 FAQ was apparently mislabeled 1 Jan 1992, so I corrected the date in the filename (without modifying the file itself). These old files and others have been locked away for years, known only to a few people were active online five or six years ago, like Lazlo Nibble. Actually, it's my fault for not bringing them to light sooner. Shame on me. Sorry, folks. Mike Brown, whose net accomplishments could fill at least one volume , sent me a ZIP file a long time ago when my Moby page was really taking off. It included various little Moby-related snippets and these FAQs. He generously passed these files on so that they could be used as a resource for the discography and FAQ. I incorporated info from the old Moby discography into my Moby discography, but since there wasn't an actively-maintained Moby FAQ, the other files were kind of overlooked. Until now. Have at it, boyz. :) I'll let you know if I find any other interesting/relevant stuff for possible inclusion in the FAQ. Good luck! Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) The Blue Light of the Underwater Sun Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:40:19 -0600 [was Re: (mobility) faq faq faq!] Steve Giles wrote: > like to ask Moby about that Japanese Sex Painting mystery, and verify that > which I'm sure of: that it is his voice at the beginning of "Blue Light". It's him, I'm sure. I've heard his voice on other things including the _Animal Rights Interview_ disc. It's Moby's voice. Moby's 33rd birthday is tomorrow. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JadenX@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) faq faq faq! Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:32:34 EDT << BT is Brian Transeau, a music writer/producer from Maryland who makes a good living off of Europe's far superior taste in music. > Man, I was thinking you guys were talking about Blues Traveller. But seriously folks, I picked up the BT mix of the new Madonna song today. It was at Rolling Stones (for Steve G.) for 9.99. BTW, I remember when I was at Big Top, when they introduced BT I distinctly remember hearing "Chicago's own." Maybe the jazzie sounds of Roswell fucked me up (or was it those shrooms.......hmmmm) Left above the clouds, Carmen B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) old texts and such Date: 10 Sep 1998 16:54:59 -0400 Thanks for the Rolling Stone info, Carmen! >>"Chicago's own." Who knows, maybe he lived here. His music career started from Maryland, though. Hey Paul Simpson, the Gearwhore who now works out of California actually started his music career here in Chicago. Now he's a bedroom producer in LA, I think, and collaborated w/ Keoki on one of his tracks. >Left above the clouds, >Carmen B. Nice reference. I suggested this to a friend the other day, and he loves it. After checking out the old faqs I reread the old Moby posts in the info section. When I first read them in March I was more sympathetic to the anti-DAT group that was slamming Moby for "throwing on-stage temper tantrums", among other things. While their arguments do hold water, they also seem somewhat pointless. For instance, one person accused Moby of being the musical taste police when he was writing about boring/fun live acts. However, this was pure hypocrisy as the writer was the one being elitist, not Moby. Why bother to make noise about DAT use when the show is good? Besides, Moby now does more guitar stuff on stage, and uses mixes not available, so it's not like playing one of his CDs really loud. Anyway, I'm rambling and my point has long ago eluded me, but it's worth mentioning that Lazlo Nibble, the discography guy who helped w/ the early Moby discographies, was one of the most vocal anti-Moby writer in the alt.rave thread. Thanks for the info, Daniel, I now know that Moby only played some live shows w/ Ultra Vivid Scene, and was on the road w/ Flipper. (I wonder did he play onstage? doesn't matter now, really) Since the unreleased Dpeche Mode mixes are mentioned in the discog, perhaps the Freddie Mercury & N'Joi ones should be too? That b-side mentioned (in the last discog) w/ the Chaka Khan samples is Mad Love. I'll get to hear it soon, if all goes well. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:03:33 EDT In a message dated 9/10/98 4:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time, T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk writes: << I think an interesting but bizarre collab. would be with The Cure, Nick Cave, even P.J. Harvey or Curve, but seriously, maybe a good one would be with U2, Spiritualised, The Orb, Massive Attack or the Beastie Boys. >> defineately the beastit boys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) the Moby faq Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:05:11 -0700 Heavy Linux user here, what do you need? paul Jonathan Ruano wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 12:42:23PM -0400, Steve Giles wrote: > > > No, actually it was Compaq. > /me looks up to the From: field.. and notices @digital.com Oops... sorry > No pun intended. > > > Basically I think we should start by collecting ideas then the actual > > process of writing and editing should be done via private e-mail. > Aha.. It seems a good practice. We'll have and unofficial (or beta) FAQ > till it gets something fairly complete. > > I wonder if we could get something out of that interview one of the > Mobydicts (and his girlfriend) made to Moby. > > > 1.Moby's biography > > 1.1 Born & raised > > 1.2 Punk bands > > 1.3 Moby w/ Flipper & Ultra Vivid Scene (we need info here!) > > 1.4 Moby's residences (was there a meat packing factory or something?) > > 1.5 Moby vs. Instinct > > 2.Moby's theology, essays, beleifs, etc. > > 3.Moby's releases (link to the discography, perhaps?) > Of course, moby.org's a very good resource. > > > 4.Controversy (EIW genre-straddle, AR no dance period, etc.) > > This one might belong under number 1. > > 5.Assorted info (the possible GNR producer role, the car ad for charity) > Moby's on cinema, famous TV ads, etc. > > > 6.Moby on the web (link to the Directory page?) > > Any other UNIX guy 'round here ? > > > Jonathan, this could be quite a large project. Are you sure you want to move > > forward with this? > You can bet. In a week, my exams will be over, and I'll got plenty of time > (well, more or less, but I spend a lot of time online) to modify and add > things to the FAQ. As for the design, I guess it could be written in some > portable format, and then render it to HTML/ascii, so it can be distributed > easily by HTTP/email. > > -- > Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bulb naked Subject: (mobility) Come to Daddy, BT, Honey Date: 10 Sep 1998 21:42:49 -0700 (PDT) just a note, i saw the come to daddy directors cut over the week, it's really amazing and freakish and hilarious. after all you peoples bellyachin' about this BT, i ordered the album from music blvd, i'll be listening to it later tonight. just a note for all, i preordered the honey cds from AB-CD and i still havent recieved them.. warning.. i this this company sucks.. i feel like the only one who still hasnt heard honey (save the 30 sec clip) ---mobility-digest wrote: > > mobility-digest Thursday, September 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 214 > > > > Re: (mobility) moby/? > RE: (mobility) moby/? > Re: RE: (mobility) moby/? > (mobility) voodoo child - slight return > (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > Re: (mobility) moby's real name > (mobility) Moby FAQ > Re: (mobility) moby's real name > RE: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > (mobility) the Moby faq > (mobility) Moby FAQ > Re: (mobility) the Moby faq > Re: (mobility) the Moby faq > Re: (mobility) Moby FAQ > Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > Re: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:41:35 -0700 > From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" > Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? > > >I must be mistaken, but hasn't Moby done some thing with Trent Reznor > before? > > > Nope, but that fateful day should be coming around soon I figure. They've > both remixed Bowie, covered Joy Division & been remixed by Aphrodite. The > stars are all in alignment....;) > > >working with someone else might not be that great. The song with Filter? on > >the Spawn soundtrack kind of sucks, but I don't know how they worked > together. > >Anyway - Later. > > > I didn't mind the track with the Butthole Surfers actually-not his best but > pretty decent... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:38:31 -0500 > From: "Brad Caviness" > Subject: RE: (mobility) moby/? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Beecher > > > okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in > > > trouble...;) > > > > > > So who do yall think Moby should collab with? > > > > > I think an interesting but bizarre collab. ... U2 > > > Oh Tim, you hit on a dream/fantasy of mine. Moby hit the road last year for > Animal Rights/Score about the same time U2 hit the states both times for > POP. I told all my friends I would go anywhere, pay any amount to see Moby > play with U2. Individually, I can resist driving to St Louis or Dallas. But > collectively, I would be compelled to go. I don't know why this bill didn't > happen. I think I would still kill to see it. > > BSC > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:05:30 +0100 (British Summer Time) > From: Tim Beecher > Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) moby/? > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:38:31 -0500 Brad Caviness > wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tim Beecher > > > > okay heres another one of my Pointless Polls (uh oh, were in > > > > trouble...;) > > > > > > > > So who do yall think Moby should collab with? > > > > > > > I think an interesting but bizarre collab. ... U2 > > > > > Oh Tim, you hit on a dream/fantasy of mine. Moby hit the road last year for > > Animal Rights/Score about the same time U2 hit the states both times for > > POP. I told all my friends I would go anywhere, pay any amount to see Moby > > play with U2. Individually, I can resist driving to St Louis or Dallas. But > > collectively, I would be compelled to go. I don't know why this bill didn't > > happen. I think I would still kill to see it. > > > > BSC > > > Now seeing U2 and Moby play at the same venue would be the > ultimate - I totally agree, especially if U2 mainly played > their old late 70s and 80s stuff. > > TMB > > > > - ---------------------- > Tim Beecher > Cranfield University > T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:30:23 -0400 > From: Steve Giles > Subject: (mobility) voodoo child - slight return > > Interesting discovery: > > The edit of Voodoo Child on Early Underground, which is credited to > the remix 12", is actually an edit of the Brainstorm mix. (This is the one > with "Come on everybody let's all get down!") You'd think that since they > said naught about this on EU that the edit would be of the Original Mix. > Well, it's not. The original mix has that ambient riff used in slight > return,(during long breakdowns) without the layers and pitch variations. > "Voodoo Child (Original Mix)" can just as effectively be titled "Voodoo > Child (Slight Return)" > No Buttons To Push is a short thing at just over a minute, a nifty > bass groove w/ lots of samples of what I beleive is Hendrix's voice. > Certainly sounds like him saying "No buttons to push" He says other stuff > too, but I can't recall what offhand. > Oh, and it was criminal of Instinct to edit any of these mixes. The > endings are great. > > - -S > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:21:35 +0200 > From: Jonathan Ruano > Subject: (mobility) Moby/Tori/BT > > On Thu, Sep 10, 1998 at 01:28:18AM -0500, that girl wrote: > > > i think moby in an ambient collaboration with tori amos.. her voice would > > sound perfect with his soundscapes. > Have you listened to BT+Tori Amos "Blue Skies" ? > > How do you think, guys and gals, BT and Moby music can be compared ? I > admin that I've only listened to "Blue Skies" (and several of its remixes), > but BT sounded quite different than Moby... :-? > > - -- > Jonathan Ruano > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:51:34 +0200 > From: Joris Munnik > Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's real name > > Tim Beecher schreef: > > > On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:21:34 +0200 Joris Munnik > > wrote: > > > > > does anybody know what Moby's real name is? > > > > > > > > > Richard Hall, as far as I know. > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > Tim Beecher > > Cranfield University > > T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk > > Thanks Tim, You were the only one who knows the answer to my question. > That surprised me. I thought more people knew it. > > joris > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:28 +0200 > From: Jonathan Ruano > Subject: (mobility) Moby FAQ > > I'm sure that a lot of people knew Moby's real name, but guess that a few > people answered cause it's a FAQ question... BTW... Dont you think it'll > be good creating and maintaining a FAQ about Moby ? > > I'll collect questions and answers myself, but I think my english is not > good enough. > > - -- > Jonathan Ruano > > === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Skipworth Subject: (mobility) beasties Date: 11 Sep 1998 00:55:03 -0500 Didn't somebody mention a Mario Caldato Jr. mix of one of moby's songs..... Caldato does a lot of work on the beastie albums so I'm curious about what he could do with moby --rob UHF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/10/98 4:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time, > T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk writes: > > << I think an interesting but bizarre collab. would be with > The Cure, Nick Cave, even P.J. Harvey or Curve, but > seriously, maybe a good one would be with U2, > Spiritualised, The Orb, Massive Attack or the Beastie Boys. >> > > defineately the beastit boys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Kilduff" Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #214 Date: 10 Sep 1998 13:47:48 -0500 9/10/98 RE>mobility-digest V1 #214 1:43 PM what's this about moby being in ultra vivid scene? i went to see ian mccullough about nine years about (damn i feel old now) and UVS opened. at the time it was rather painful to sit and listen through their set, but probably because i didn't know them and wanted to see ian. how wierd to think he might have been right there on stage and i didn't know it! the first moby show i remember seeing had him paired up with meat beat manifesto and prodigy - what a fine show that was. that was around the beginning of '93 i think. one other question - why the pseudonames like voodoo child? too keep himself a bit inaccessable and out of the mainstream? adios amigos, april. hi to the other minneapolis mobility-ers. :> > *** This message was caught in a filter and therefor delayed. > *** The message size was reduced by deleting excessive quoting. > *** Questions? Contact owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby FAQ Date: 11 Sep 1998 12:29:11 +0200 > Got it! Actually, I found three different versions of it. They > really make me wish I was on the net in 1992 and 1993. Thoze wuz > neet timez, and the net was relatively young. Here are the files: Great.. I've been browsing a bit the newer (!) and it looks more like a collection of data about Moby, than what we (?) mean when referring to a FAQ. The info it it is good, though. :) Thanks for your effort, Daniel. -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T4dpolE@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Re:moby/?u2??? Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:42:02 EDT << I quite agree on the Moby/U2 thing >> Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!! U2???? I admit... i'd rather listen to U2 over like country music, some latin music, and Elvis amongst a few. i'm sure Moby would come up with sanm good remixes of U2 and BT. i like BT. i wouldn't buy Moby remixes of U2 unless they blew my mind away. i'm sure it could happen. what would i like to see remixed by Moby??? i should say Portishead. it would be very nice to maybe hear those basslines and drumbeats with more layers. and that voice... i could go on and onnnn with suggestions and ideas. i'd like to know who Moby would want to remix. and i can't imagine what remixes of meat beat manifesto would sound like. <> Meat Beat's Dangers? if so... i would like to, but can't imagine the sound that would come off. i was debating Moby/Meat Beat. i don't recall ever hearing moby using a beat or sound comperable to Meat's. i just don't see it-as much as i would love to. their styles just seem so different. not to mention beleifs. i could on the other hand more easily imagine meet beat reworkin moby material. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Re:moby/?u2??? Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:51:59 -0400 >Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!! >U2???? Yes, U2! Moby and U2 keep morphing. Moby is swinging on a pendulum between dance & rock, and U2 keep reinventing themselves without becoming someone else. Pretty amazing, I think. And Moby isn't treading the same ground, either. I've never heard anything like Honey, let alone imagining such elements could actually work well together... the possibilities are endless. (and possibly frightening) >>not to mention beleifs. i could on the >>other hand more easily imagine meet beat reworkin moby material. I know Jack's a veggie. What beleifs differ between them? just curious, I guess. I know Dangers does the sex/religion blending thing. I can imagine MBM doing Moby mixes, but not the other way around, just like you. That would be fun. -S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Shipley Subject: (mobility) So "where" is he, anyway? Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:48:47 -0500 (CDT) Since I share the same birthday as the man himself, I got to thinking, where does Moby hang these days? I missed the period you could find him on the net, in newsgroups, etc. Didn't get into raving until after he started cutting out of that scene....always a step behind. So we have all these cool suggestions, but does he ever cruise these lists? Does he have an e-mail address, or can you write him, does he read his mail, etc.? Anyone know? And, um, happy birthday Moby! -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) So "where" is he, anyway? Date: 11 Sep 1998 17:07:26 +0200 Greg Shipley schreef: > Since I share the same birthday as the man himself, I got to thinking, > where does Moby hang these days? I missed the period you could find him > on the net, in newsgroups, etc. Didn't get into raving until after he > started cutting out of that scene....always a step behind. > > So we have all these cool suggestions, but does he ever cruise these > lists? Does he have an e-mail address, or can you write him, does he read > his mail, etc.? Anyone know? > > And, um, happy birthday Moby! > > -G I think Moby's e-mail adres is: tlims@phantom.com. I do not know if it's the good adress (I never tried it). But if Moby's reading this, happy birthday Moby! Greetings Joris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) So "where" is he, anyway? Date: 11 Sep 1998 09:35:05 -0600 Joris Munnik wrote: > I think Moby's e-mail adres is: tlims@phantom.com. I do not know if it's the > good adress (I never tried it). Moby canceled that account in March 1995, when he went on his EIW tour. If he has opened a new email account, then he has been extremely quiet about it and we should respect his privacy. But my guess is that he doesn't have a regular account online, because he has emailed people from various places where he happens to be. I received an email from him when he was in Milan, after the shooting of the James Bond Theme music video. He was using the email address of somebody that happened to be there. So I think that if he were online, we'd know about it, and he would probably post some messages on Mobility, which he knows about. If you would like to write to Moby, you may contact him via his North American management at [I think this address is still correct]: Moby c/o MCT Management 333 W 52nd Street #1003 New York, NY 10019 Moby reads all his fan mail, and has been known to write back. :) HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MOBY! Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby FAQ Date: 11 Sep 1998 11:51:22 -0400 ,. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Sorry to the nobility of mobility, the outline Date: 11 Sep 1998 13:00:19 -0400 Sorry everyone, I was about to make an outline to get the FAQ started when I thought it would be a good time to do some cleaning, and I cleaned my keyboard. I thought I accidentally deleted it until it showed up in my box. Again, sorry for the blank round. Due to the firewall I can't get into the archives from the front door. (don't know exactly why) I have to link thru from the reviews section and manually change my URL line to look around. Because of this I can't use the moby.org search either. Jonathan, can you run a search for "interview" & for "link"? We should selectively use info from interviews. I think this should be the final thread on this to mobility for suggestions. After this msg's responses we should have all the suggestions we're going to get. We'll let everyone know when a beta is ready for suggestions. I think the gaps will show up more clearly once we've got the beta. Here's that outline w/ ideas for source info, Jonathan. For editing toss it along to me in bits & pieces or once you're finished, your choice. Make changes to the outline as you see fit. The retrospective referred to below will soon be available on-line. It isn't yet. If needed I'll supply it to you directly. There is so much info at moby.org, and I don't think we should repeat it, but link to it as a sort of background so the faq doesn't grow really huge. I know that I may need to be careful not to include opinipons, only fact. Should we mention that the non-edited versions of these songs are better? Or should we just mention the fact that they are edited? I'm sure several instances will come up where such information may be useful, however it would also be biased. We really need feedback from you (the readers/users/testers) on this. History 1.born & raised, how he got here .1.early personal history (refer to discogs new & old, various interviews.) .2.early musical history (same) 2.moby on instinct .1. early releases, brotherhood, pseudonyms (refer/link to discog, retrospective) .2. first techno star, rise to fame, split from Instinct. .3. later releases w/o moby's involvement, song edits 3.moby on elektra/mute .1.releases 93 to present. (perhaps a narrative on his musical progression?) .2.split due to ???promotion problems??? (we need info) The Man Himself 4.moby in the press (interviews, reviews, fan opinion) .1.Moby's beleifs, other stuff, quotes .a.veganism .b.essays (cultural conservatism, animal rights, etc.) .c.random info (favorite things, humor, posing nude, GNR production offer, etc.) .d.dance vs. punk, etc. .2.what _they_ think .a.techno's first star .b.Move .c.EIW hubbub & awards .d. AR controversy .e. online review links? (here or elsewhere in the faq?) 5.moby live .1.link to various reviews in the archive. .2.brief narrative on the live vs. DAT issue (no opinion just background, link to thread at m.o) .3.random info (recently he's done about 20% guitar, 80% techno, etc.) .4.live only songs, moby says "love" a lot, other personality things 6.release retrospective (where in the faq should we put this? I'd like to write this part w/ help from D) .1.us vs. euro/uk releases, rare b-sides, rumors Other 7. (you fill in this blank) ---------------- Tell me what I forgot, everyone. After that Jonathan and myself will get to work. I'm afraid if I wrote it it would be way too long even w/o tha background info we'll link to. It probably will be anyway. I aim for perfection. -Steve G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Re: search Date: 11 Sep 1998 19:52:53 +0200 > Due to the firewall I can't get into the archives from the front door. A lot of matches appear when searching the list for interview or link, but then, I cant get to the pages... It says something about proxy or so, but I dont think it's my proxy/firewall the responsible... > you directly. There is so much info at moby.org, and I don't think we should > repeat it, but link to it as a sort of background so the faq doesn't grow > really huge. Aha... at least for beta versions. A FAQ is that, a FAQ, and not a whole file with all possible information (dont you think?) > History > .1.releases 93 to present. (perhaps a narrative on his musical > progression?) I think that a major CD list and a line telling about style should be enough. > .2.what _they_ think > .e. online review links? (here or elsewhere in the faq?) I think this is a good place. > work. I'm afraid if I wrote it it would be way too long even w/o tha > background info we'll link to. It probably will be anyway. I aim for > perfection. A FAQ should be mostly a list of shortly and concisely answered questions. A short paragraph is good, but a story is not :) -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jake M." Subject: Re: (mobility) moby/? Date: 11 Sep 1998 12:28:11 PDT >So who do yall think Moby should collab with? and I don't mean remix, >or sample extensively, or have his music spliced with by tape, but >actually go into the studio and record music with? I have a pretty crazy idea, if moby does a little more of this hip-hop sounding stuff I think he should collab with the one the only Chuck D of public enemy...but thats pretty crazy, but I'd love to see it. I do think he should collab with David Byrne...I think he could lay out some nice stuff for the Manic Street Preachers as well, their new album is supposed to include a bit of "electronica" in it. More Moby stuff...well the likes of the Four corners area of the States (corners of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah) will soon be exposed to Moby...I am now in College and I have a radio show... I will mostly be playing british rock/pop/indie, but I will play lots of techno, moby, hip hop, techno, ryu, moby, oingo boingo,klf, moby, talking head and yeah, did I mention I will play some moby? Well I am pretty excited about it. Jake -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kingmob83@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) faq faq faq! Date: 11 Sep 1998 17:45:32 EDT In a message dated 98-09-10 14:51:55 EDT, you write: << Speaking of interviews, I'd like to ask Moby about that Japanese Sex Painting mystery, and verify that which I'm sure of: that it is his voice at the beginning of "Blue Light". >> yes, it is his voice at the beginning of blue light of tyhe underwater sun, and BTW that is still my favorite moby track ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (mobility) Come to Daddy, BT, Honey Date: 11 Sep 1998 15:58:50 -0600 i preordered mine about a week before the european release date and got both of them in the mail a week after the release date, which was good, because they told me that the earliest they get imports is 5 days after the release date. >just a note for all, i preordered the honey cds from >AB-CD and i still havent recieved them.. warning.. i >this this company sucks.. > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Chris Perkins "It's nice to be important, cdperk@trib.com but it's more important to be nice." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> I'm the king of Boggle, there is none higher/ I get 11 points for the word quagmire. -The Beastie Boys <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) So "where" is he, anyway? Date: 12 Sep 1998 00:11:58 +0200 Daniel Cerman schreef: > Joris Munnik wrote: > > I think Moby's e-mail adres is: tlims@phantom.com. I do not know if it's the > > good adress (I never tried it). > > Moby canceled that account in March 1995, when he went on his EIW tour. > If he has opened a new email account, then he has been extremely quiet > about it and we should respect his privacy. But my guess is that he > doesn't have a regular account online, because he has emailed people > from various places where he happens to be. I received an email from > him when he was in Milan, after the shooting of the James Bond Theme > music video. He was using the email address of somebody that happened > to be there. So I think that if he were online, we'd know about it, > and he would probably post some messages on Mobility, which he knows > about. > > If you would like to write to Moby, you may contact him via his North > American management at [I think this address is still correct]: > > Moby c/o MCT Management > 333 W 52nd Street #1003 > New York, NY 10019 > > Moby reads all his fan mail, and has been known to write back. :) > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MOBY! > > Dan Thank you, Dan My information was old and incorrect (so I can't use it). But we're lucky we got you!! greetings joris p.s.: does everyone have problems with speaking out my name? I can change it if you want ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Happy Birthday, Moby! Date: 11 Sep 1998 18:34:26 -0400 Joris schreef: (heh heh) >>p.s.: does everyone have problems with speaking out my name? >>I can change it if you want No, that's fine, unless you want to be called something else. Samu's last name is much harder, but we manage! Welcome to the list! If you've been here a while you just started posting. I wonder how many of you w/ something to say are remeaining silent. Hmmm..... Contact (johnhd@soback.kornet21.net) if you're interested in the following mixservice CD: It also has the following: 1. V/A Rod Called Der Kommissar" 2. Rialto "Monday Morning 5:19" 3. Madonna "Frozen" 4. Moby "Honey" 5. Girl Squad "Say My Name" 6. Los Locos "Mueve El Cuerpo" 7. Ronnie Tronco "Freight Train" 8. ABBA "Lay All Your Love On Me" (DISCONET) 9. The Don/Joy "How Does It Feel"/"Touch By Touch" 10. Freestylers "Don't Drop The Boom" 11. Run DMC "It's Tricky '98" 12. Jason Nevins "Somebody Say Pussy" 13. 3 song mix "How To Run DJs Night Train" 14. Toni Braxton "Un-Break My Heart" (Spanglish) slow 15. Ranum "Maybe Later" slow It also has this written on the CD: "All Versions Are Remix World Exclusives Except Track Numbers 8 & 15" Have a nice weekend, everybody. -Steve G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bulb naked Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #215 Date: 11 Sep 1998 17:00:20 -0700 (PDT) general apology for accidentally quoting the entire digest.. forgive me.. still waiting for my stinking honey cds.... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: Re: (mobility) So "where" is he, anyway? Date: 11 Sep 1998 20:38:49 -0700 > p.s.: does everyone have problems with speaking out my name? > I can change it if you want actually, I like your name very much. you are female, right? hey if you become a singer; you could drop the last name and just go by "Joris". just an idea! on a Moby note; is honey ever going to be released in the US or am I going to have to hunt down imports on the net? I'm probabley one of the few ones on this list that hasn't heard Honey yet. not one damn record store in milwaukee has it. pathetic, isn't it? -anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: (mobility) i'm not a female, is that a problem?? Date: 12 Sep 1998 12:45:02 +0200 Anthony Colorez schreef: > > p.s.: does everyone have problems with speaking out my name? > > I can change it if you want > > actually, I like your name very much. you are female, right? hey if you > become a singer; you could drop the last name and just go by "Joris". > just an idea! on a Moby note; is honey ever going to be released in the > US or am I going to have to hunt down imports on the net? I'm probabley > one of the few ones on this list that hasn't heard Honey yet. not one > damn record store in milwaukee has it. pathetic, isn't it? > -anthony I'm not a female, but thank you for the idea. I'm lucky because I' live in the Netherlands, so I have "Honey" at home for more than a month. What does samebody mean if he puts down "w/"? I'am a newbe and I don't know what it means. Does it means something as "with"? greets, Joris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) i'm not a female, is that a problem?? Date: 12 Sep 1998 10:24:20 EDT In a message dated 9/12/98 10:51:40 AM, joriss@mindless.com writes: <> I think that I did that. It does mean with, and don't worry. Those symbols and abbreviations kill me all the time too and I have been around a while and English is my first language. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig J. Rasmussen" Subject: (mobility) Date: 12 Sep 1998 23:58:45 -0500 I just got the Drum & Bass version of Honey on tape. It's tight. It sounds kind of like roni size. I don't think that anyone else has it because it has not been released yet, but I've got my connections. Kevin craigras@msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) I'm new here folks! Date: 13 Sep 1998 13:49:15 -0600 I'm the new kid-don't beat me up! I was told to kindly pass on some info about myself, so------------------- 1 My name is morgan wilson(my dads name is the e-mail adress) 2 I have survived 19 winters 3 I only have the basic Moby cds (no moby vinyl or rare stuff because I get into all forms of audio delight and can't waste all my time, money,etc. on one artist even if he is my favorite!) 4I first heard moby by taking a shot in the dark- I was reading hightimes and they reviewed the *new* album "everything is wrong". It wasn't too flattering, but they made it sound interesting so I ordered it.BOOM!!!!!!!!!- changed my whole life forever! I became a electronic music enthusiast overnight, became a vegetarian and pacifist(for real!), and started to make my own electronic music. I'm sure lots of you have had similar experiences because moby just seems to have that effect. 5 other music i like------ everyone (I know its hard to believe, but i can identify with every artist who puts real feeling into their music.) Examples that might make you sick and lose respect for me-- 1 I like death metal(entombed-old stuff only) 2 i can dig on country(not the new popular garbage, the old stuff-real country) 3 I love Plastikman and DJ Apollo even though people tell me they have no soul etc. 4i really get into some punk(sicko, screeching weasel,misfits(old), ramones, pennywise) 5 reggae is what i have picked to be my unofficial uplifting musical choice 6 my official uplifting music being HAPPY HARDCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6-other info- I live in duluth(big up ta XAQ), I work at kenwood subway, I worked for fourteen hours yesterday(9-12-98) after going to class from 8-11(try it sometime), I make electronic music of all varieties, will be releasing around 6-8 full length cds this year(i've been writing for almost 2.5 years w/out releasing any!), I'm going to be world famous, and I've been a vegetarian for 1.5 years, and I hate hate hate hate hate hate the word electronica! do not use this word around me-even as a joke- it is a word produced by the media to make our lovely scene into another pat grunge fad. I also hate hate hate hate the word techno! Don't use this word around me-even in jest-it is a kind of music that was created in germany using only synthesizerz and distortion. I like it- but it does not pertain to any form of music peole are using it to describe! I like to think alot, and I don't care what anyone else says- I'm going to continue thinking. the kind of music I make are: 1 old-skool type early rave music(like zoo-rave)-ps-THIS IS TECHNO-type stuff 2 All forms of house music 3 dub, jungle, drum 'n' bass 4 minimal beat(plateau, plastikman, DJ apollo) 5 Maxibeat(my own creation which is similar to minimal beat, but uses as many sounds as you fit in while still retaining structure and form. 6 trance, desertrance, HARD TRANCE(thomas elers is my fav),gabber 7 HAPPY HARDCORE( I'm really disappointed in the amount of people who get into this:( 8 ambient 9 EXPERIMENTAL C-YA, MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) I'm new here folks! Date: 13 Sep 1998 14:47:25 EDT In a message dated 9/13/98 2:42:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, krwilson@discover-net.net writes: << and I hate hate hate hate hate hate the word electronica! >> Cool. I can't stand that word either. I love it when I tell people what kind of music I listen to, and they are like, electronica? I love that stuf like Prodigy and the Chemical Brothers and Fat Boy Slim. That is usually the last time I talk to them. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: 13 Sep 1998 14:31:36 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Craig J. Rasmussen wrote: > I just got the Drum & Bass version of Honey on tape. It's tight. It sounds > kind of like roni size. I don't think that anyone else has it because it > has not been released yet, but I've got my connections. i've got 2 d&b versions. which one do you have? so far, i have 14 remixes of "honey." i'm still looking for 2 others and the two other new moby songs. anyone have any info on them? [xaq] "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop. but i really enjoy thinking." Masafumi Sanai-photographer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOBYchild@aol.com Subject: (mobility) 'micronesia' and 'memory gospel' Date: 13 Sep 1998 16:57:18 EDT In a message dated 9/13/1998 2:31:50 PM Central Daylight Time, zbentz@d.umn.edu writes: > i'm still looking for 2 others and the two other new moby songs. anyone > have any info on them? i assume the other new moby songs you mentioned are "Micronesia" and "Memory Gospel"? theyre on 'Honey Pt. 1', which i recently ordered from CDNow for about $10--i probably overpayed...but theyre both good songs and well worth it, IMO. i havent been reading much of this list lately, so i really dont want to write a long post which has no real purpose, but i think i will. if people have already described the other 2 tracks, please ignore the rest of this... Micronesia is somewhat chaotic, focusing on the sounds of a snare and a bass drum--with some nifty ambient sounds thrown in... and memory gospel is sort-of the inverse. it seems mostly ambient, with drums thrown in the background. the female vocal is very nice in that song, isnt it? the piano is very nice too. the entire song is very nice... damn,....where did i put my thesaurus... of the two, i favour 'memory gospel'. i dont really know why...i just like it. ~L~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: (mobility) Stash! Date: 13 Sep 1998 17:08:02 -0500 I've lucked into a collection of rare and OP Moby songs and mixes, so I've been overdosing on tunes I haven't heard before. And after a little listening, I have to say, MY GOD, the "Contentious Mix" of I Feel It is a beautiful piece of music. Why is Moby's best work always the remixes and songs you can't find anywhere?! Brad S. Caviness, Ricochet Bigwig Ricochet Internet Music Magazine (http://www.ricochetmusic.com) bigwig@ricochetmusic.com "I am a cipher wrapped in an enigma smothered in a secret sauce." -- Jimmy James, "News Radio" "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." -- Moby, musician. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bulb naked Subject: (mobility) finally honey Date: 13 Sep 1998 15:31:51 -0700 (PDT) i finally got my honey cds and i have to say i'm a bit disappointed.. some members have been quite positive about it but the song is just okay, it never seems to get going.. some of the mixes are better but for the first time i'm a bit hesitant about the new full album.. the two b-sides mincronesia and memory gospel or whatever sound like pretty generic moby. a friend of mine thought they were on EIW. nothing new here.. i'll listen to them twenty more times or so, maybe they'll grow on me.. animal rights did.. tony _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 13 Sep 1998 18:11:29 -0600 bulb naked wrote: > > i finally got my honey cds and i have to say i'm a > bit disappointed.. some members have been quite > positive about it but the song is just okay, it never > seems to get going.. some of the mixes are better but > for the first time i'm a bit hesitant about the new > full album.. the two b-sides mincronesia and memory > gospel or whatever sound like pretty generic moby. a > friend of mine thought they were on EIW. nothing new > here.. I know I've been quite positive about the single HONEY but I do admit I experienced mixed emotions in listening to the song... especially for the first time. I didn't expect to hear what I did. The press and others have described the song as being in the hip-hop vein of things but I don't really agree with that. I'd probably say Honey has a big-beat feel with a steady dose of funk. And I like whoever described the song as having a honky-tonk feel. :) The B-sides are a nice plus but they don't move me. Fortunately, and as it should be, it's the song itself and its remixes that I look forward to hearing in the player. So here's something exciting that I saw just a few minutes ago, it's some release info that seems to have come from nowhere. I'll be getting the CD (not for another 3 weeks) & then likely the 12". If I get exact info for the discog and such I'll pass it on. Cheers! OMD: The OMD Remixes EP ("Enola Gay" (Sash mix), "Souvenir (Moby mixes) on 1st 12"; "Electricity" (Micronauts mix), "Apollo XI" (Apollo 440 mix), "EG" (Sash edit) on 2nd 12"; "EG" (Sash edit), "Souvenir" (Moby edit), "Electricity" (Micronauts mix) on CD) (Virgin 2nd 12": VSTX 1694. CD: VSCDT 1694) EMI Damian damian@xmission.com owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 13 Sep 1998 20:15:44 EDT does anyone know where i can get honey mp3's? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:59:32 EDT if anyone has honey in mp3 or knows where i can get it, please tell me, cuz i haven't heard the whole song yet and have been looking desperately for it and can't find it and i heard the clip and i really want the song. thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:23:03 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Paul Simpson wrote: > > (now back ON topic...) > and of course Michael Stipe. who was my original choice. even though > stipe says hes too old and smart to go electronic. > > hey ryu, you collaborating w/ moby aint such a bad idea! > > here's an idea....moby w/ someone like EBN or Coldcut or Negativland, > one of those like media manipualtors, that would be cool. > > U2....well, i never really liked u2. they have a few good songs but > for the most part i think they suck. sorry. > > your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > I'm not saying this out of childish retaliation, just because you failed to appreciate the brilliance of U2 (well, their early stuff anyway!), but Michael Stipe!? I'm sorry, but 'Shiny happy people' and 'Everyone hurts' just makes me want to chuck....I hope Moby never collabs. with him! Sorry if I offended anyone else who likes REM (okay, I like one or two tunes, but as a rule they're tired as far as I'm concerned), but I think it's good to say what you really think sometimes (of course, as long as it doesn't create WW3 or anything!?). ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:41:48 +0200 UHF@aol.com schreef: > does anyone know where i can get honey mp3's? Shame on you. Don't you know that Moby earns the money from the sales of Honey? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) I'm new here folks! Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:25:20 -0400 >>3 I love Plastikman and DJ Apollo even though people tell me they have no soul etc. Welcome! It's nice to see a bright colorful person here. Diversity is musical taste will gain you applause among us, not criticism. I like Plastikman too, but he only sounds good when you listen w/ headphones or a killer stereo. Lots of subtle details, you know? Techno techno tehcno. It's only a word! It means different things to different people. Rocks and rolls, how did that come about? It just did. Look at what the person is saying, not how they're saying it. Glad to have ya here! -Steve G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) ok,ok Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:20:58 -0600 ok,ok-----------maybe I got too spastik on the techno and electronica thing, but i haven't had too much sleep lately. anyway, thanx for the input people. On another subject, I was just wondering what everyone has to say about their favorite old-skool moby tracks.(i can't pick just one) Here are some of mine in no particular order: 1Next is the E(club mix)------------ok THIS one is my favorite song in the whole world and if people had to choose one song to represent them this would be mine.(the rest are in no particular order) 2 drug fits the face(original)- there's something(besides the title) not-quite-right about the drug-free mix. 3 protect write-what can i say?-either you love it, or you REALLY love it(or both) 4 go(amphetamix)-this one gets alot less attention than it deserves-probably 'cause it's the last track. 5 besame-I was really surprised to hear a moby song like this! way before my time. -------interesting story--------i saw a copy of the Brainstorm 12" at a used bookstore(?) in Michigan, but at the time I had only heard "everything is wrong", I didn't have turntables, and i had no idea how rare it was. The price was four dollars! What i wouldn't give...........................................................oh,well C-ya MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) ol skewl, new edjumakashun Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:32:45 -0400 Older stuff that I like lots...hmmmm. First of all, I applaud your choices on Besame & Amphetamix. They are quite tasty. Voodoo Child (original mix), which I just got recently, kicks it. I can't leave out the song that got me into Moby, which is Mobility (Aqua Mix). Slight Return always takes me away. And Party Time always fixes me up good. C3 Bells is super-pleasant. Aside from the original Honey and comparable mixes, my current favorite is the Dark mix. When I hear this I imagine myself in a racecar driving really fast through a yellow/orange lighted tunnel. Yeah. Regarding the d'n'b version, Bammer's, I think it suckss To me they're just generic bass drones w/ Honey vocal drops here & there. I don't like most d'n'b, so maybe I'm just backwards. For non-Moby mixes I like RJ's, which is kinda triphoppy bigbeatish, and Westbam's, which is a party. -S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Ye fyne olde Moby traques Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:09:46 -0600 [was Re: (mobility) ok,ok] krwilson wrote: > On another subject, I was just wondering what everyone has to say about > their favorite old-skool moby tracks.(i can't pick just one) > 1Next is the E(club mix)------------ok THIS one is my favorite song in the > whole world and if people had to choose one song to represent them this > would be mine.(the rest are in no particular order) This may be THE song that got me into Moby. At the time I also was hearing "Go (Woodtick Mix)" and a snippet of "Go (Rainforest Mix)" and they also really helped. So did "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)" -- the FULL VERSION, not the crap radio edit they put on the CD. Anyways, "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" made a big impression on me. I loved it, and still do. Instinct's so-called "Club Mix" of it is actually "Next Is The E (I Feel It)" with a fade-out at the very end. Argh, I hate fade-outs. Get the single. "Next Is The E (Victory Mix)" is great too. "Peace Head" is a track from _Early Underground_ that I love. I'd trade 10 Honeys for more music like that from Moby. Another EU track I really like is "Mobility", which this list was named after. It makes me picture a semi-surreal scene of cruising above the ground through a big city just after it rained. :) The Aqua Mix is a wonderful remix, too. > 2 drug fits the face(original)- there's something(besides the title) > not-quite-right about the drug-free mix. Maybe part of it is that you have only about 2/3 of the mix. Instinct went edit-crazy and faded out this and several other _Rare_ tracks early. Shame on them. I like the original DFTF better, though. > 3 protect write-what can i say?-either you love it, or you REALLY love > it(or both) I love it. :) That cymbal loop or whatever took up residence in my brain and never let go. > 4 go(amphetamix)-this one gets alot less attention than it > deserves-probably 'cause it's the last track. I like it too, but I think I heard that this mix was done by somebody other than Moby. Whoever it was, he's not credited anywhere. "Go (Rainforest Mix)" is a techno -- excuse me -- classic. I never hear anyone say anything about "Everything". It's one of my favorite old Moby tracks. I even modeled a song of my own after it. It's great having all this electronic noise build tension and then have the piano breaks. And though this was mentioned a couple months ago, I love "Slight Return". Which reminds me of _Ambient_. I really like several tracks from that album. > 5 besame-I was really surprised to hear a moby song like this! way before > my time. I enjoy it, and it makes a good intro to EU. If only it were longer... Anyways, Moby doesn't consider any Instinct albums to be official, because he didn't get any/enough input on them. Thus, he considers EIW his "debut" album. Boosheeit. ;] If you want to hear good techno -- ouch! sorry! what should i call it? -- music, grab all the old Instinct Moby albums and singles. They are, on average, wonderful, imho. ----story of my own: My friend and I were driving through the city a few years ago, and I was trying to turn him on to Moby. We had Moby's self- titled album in the tape deck, and were part-way through "Electricity" when he started looking around nervously, unable to locate the source of the police siren he thought he heard. It was actually the music! :) Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "4 Wilsons" <4wilsons@shaw.wave.ca> Subject: (mobility) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:38:22 -0400 Date: 14 Sep 1998 11:38:22 -0600 Hello everyone... I'm new to the mobility list... hoping this will post! Do any of you know of any good places to get Moby merchandise in Toronto, Canada? Anything would be greatly appreciated! :-) -Jennafur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DUSTIN RAINWATER" Subject: (mobility) Move Date: 14 Sep 1998 20:28:59 -0500 Someone mentioned in a previous post that the full length version of Move = was much better than the radio edit that's on the CD. I've never heard the full length? What is it like? Also can it be found on CD? I've looked for it before on the discography = but I didn't see it on anything other than vinyl. --Dustin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:38:41 CDT Of course, whether one likes REM or not, they have to be considered one of the 3 most influential Modern/Alternative music groups of the 80's, along with The Replacements and possibly even the Smiths. You might even count The Pixies up there, too. Sorry for the non-Moby post, but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents into the well. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ "Sweet Lullaby"-Deep Forest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) Move Date: 14 Sep 1998 20:38:27 -0600 DUSTIN RAINWATER wrote: > Someone mentioned in a previous post that the full length version of Move > was much better than the radio edit that's on the CD. > > I've never heard the full length? What is it like? It's a lot like the radio edit (which is what is on the CD), but it builds up longer and better. Things that may have taken 16 or 32 beats to develop in the full version were edited down to maybe 8 beats. In some cases, it means you only hear once a piece of the song that is repeated in the full version. In other cases, such as when musical elements are layered on, entire sections were edited out. Also, scratching and some "hit it" sample was glopped onto the radio edit. I love "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)". I first heard it mixed in the Friday & Saturday night mix shows on a local pop radio station. Of course, I didn't hear the whole thing because it was always mixed with other songs, and the DJ was an idiot so he'd make gross pitch/ tempo changes in the middle of the song. It took me years of searching before I found it on UK vinyl. I still have never seen the US Move 12". Unfortunately, the only record player I have access to is a 22-year- old stereo that belongs to my parents. It adds a lot of noise to the playback, can't handle the phat bass of today's tracks, and does not play these wonderful records with anywhere near the clarity of sound that is on the vinyl. People have warned me that it probably also damages the records when they are played. Old '60s and '70s albums sound fine on it, but it can't handle Moby. I really want to get a new turntable so I can rescue a lot of rare music from the vinyl and get it into some other medium so I can enjoy it. Unfortunately, I have no idea what to get or how much I'd have to spend. I've been told that I need a good receiver (I don't know how to shop for them) because a turntable's output needs amplification. And I don't know what kind of turntable to get. I'm not going into business as a DJ, and don't want to spend anywhere near the startup costs for doing that just to hear my 12"s. Jeers to Mute and Elektra for not releasing the full version of "Move" on CD. > Also can it be found on CD? I've looked for it before on the discography > but I didn't see it on anything other than vinyl. No, it's only available on vinyl. And I think that the vinyl is out of print, so get it while you can. Try Mutebank (linked from the merchandise page of moby.org). Actually, a couple times I've seen at online import places a _Move_ CD that has seven tracks. CD Europe, which does a notoriously bad job of providing accurate information about what it sells, made it look like a Canadian release. I ordered it at its ridiculous price of between $30 and $40, but after a couple months they just said it was out of stock or print or something. Later, I found it listed in CD Banzai's catalog as a Japanese release. I ordered it again, for an exhorbitant price, just because I love it so much and I'm curious and really want it on CD. It never came, and CD Banzai didn't give me my money back. So somewhere out there, I think this 7-track _Move_ EP CD exists. What could the extra track be? I think there's a good chance that it would be another "Move" remix. Maybe the full unslaughtered version of the song. Maybe the excellent Sub Version (which is on the limited German CD, and the US CD promo). But nobody seems to know. HEY STEVE!!! We could use your detective skills here! :) Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) Move Date: 14 Sep 1998 21:58:25 CDT You're not kidding about how weak most turntables are. My dad's almost blows up with so much bass and background noise if I listen to anything over 2 (volume) on it. Of course, I have no Moby vinyl because I'm apparently too cheap to spend any money on records. I did finally find Moby's "BBMH" single at a music store, so I bought it about a week ago, although it was (obviously) on cd. Pretty good. Maybe someone can play Moby backwards and see if there are any hidden satanic messages on his records. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jake M." Subject: (mobility) Honey! Date: 14 Sep 1998 20:23:57 PDT I finally heard all of honey. I really like it, and its been stuck in my head since 3:30 am this morning. I was suprised to find it. I was looking for a cd to play for my radio show and picked up the Permanent Midnight Sndtrk, I did not know the song was on there, but I was really thrilled to finally here it. I think it is very different from what moby has done, but I think that is good. Anyway, on another note, I remember someone here posted a message dealing with a website where you can pick songs that you can put on a cd and have it mailed to you, does anyone still have that address. I was looking for it, but could not find it. Thanks a lot. Jake *still humming Honey as I type away in the Lab* -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bulb naked Subject: (mobility) 14 honey mixes? Date: 14 Sep 1998 20:34:52 -0700 (PDT) i am embittered.. 14 mixes of honey? how can a simple no connections no record player, just want to hear more versions.. how can i hint the question... do you have a cd burner.. sheesh, i'd gladly send moby a check or something, i just want to have the songs in a format i enjoy.. no offence to djs or vinyl lovers but i prefer cds (if this starts a discussion i'm quitting the list) i have a couple bootleg-type aphex twin cds that i enjoy tremendously.. tony _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:15:24 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:38:41 CDT Derek Goodwrench wrote: > > > Of course, whether one likes REM or not, they have to be considered > one of the 3 most influential Modern/Alternative music groups of the > 80's, along with The Replacements and possibly even the Smiths. You > might even count The Pixies up there, too. Sorry for the non-Moby post, > but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents into the well. > Yes okay, they may have been quite influential in the beginning, but afterwards I just found them tedious. The Pixies are definitely in there though, amongst others. I think that 'The Jesus and Mary Chain', in the mid-80s were the first of their kind. There was nothing like them before, with their unique sounding buzz-saw guitars and feedback - the Psychocandy album is a classic! Sorry just had to reply to that - Moby now..... TMB > > > As always, > d > > http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ > > > "Sweet Lullaby"-Deep Forest > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bill tatalovich Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 15 Sep 1998 04:32:05 -0500 (CDT) > > Of course, whether one likes REM or not, they have to be considered > > one of the 3 most influential Modern/Alternative music groups of the > > 80's, along with The Replacements and possibly even the Smiths. You > > might even count The Pixies up there, too. Sorry for the non-Moby post, > > but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents into the well. Ah, but you forgot yet another influential group. Okay, okay, maybe I'm a bit biased, but Husker Du was definitely a huge influence on many of those bands that you hear nowadays. For chrissake, Junkie XL (I believe) sample "Divide and Conquer" on their most recent album....and actually, when people talk about the triumverate of 80's college rock, they're usually talking about REM, the Replacements, and Husker Du. > Yes okay, they may have been quite influential in the > beginning, but afterwards I just found them tedious. The > Pixies are definitely in there though, amongst others. I > think that 'The Jesus and Mary Chain', in the mid-80s were > the first of their kind. There was nothing like them > before, with their unique sounding buzz-saw guitars and > feedback - the Psychocandy album is a classic! Sorry just > had to reply to that - Moby now..... Agreed. The Jesus and Mary Chain made some fine records, not the least of which was Psychocandy. And jeez...with Honey's Dead and even their newest (thank god it wasn't like Stoned and Dethroned...), JAMC definitely have their foot in the door. And yeah, while we're on the subject, why don't we throw Pavement, Yo La Tengo, Polvo, Spaceman 3, Galaxie 500, and few hundred other bands into the "bands that made alternative music" group. All in all....my vote's for Galaxie 500 and Joy Division. Oh, and a bit of Moby...I finally got to hear "Honey" the other day (it's on the soundtrack for Permanent Midnight, the new Ben Stiller flick), and I really just don't like it. As I told my friend, maybe the remixes are better....sorry. Bill Tatalovich |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | Home page: | | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | feedback for toddlers e-zine: | | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | http://www.poboxes.com/fft/ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:18:49 +0100 (British Summer Time) > > And yeah, while we're on the subject, why don't we throw Pavement, Yo La > Tengo, Polvo, Spaceman 3, Galaxie 500, and few hundred other bands into > the "bands that made alternative music" group. > > All in all....my vote's for Galaxie 500 and Joy Division. > Agreed - of course no need to mention Joy Division, Spaceman 3, etc. You could also throw in Cocteau Twins, Echo and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Killing Joke - the list is pretty large....and we could go on and on, but let's not bore everyone. TMB > > Bill Tatalovich > > > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | Home page: | > | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | > | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | feedback for toddlers e-zine: | > | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | http://www.poboxes.com/fft/ | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 15 Sep 1998 08:43:37 CDT Speaking of influential groups, are there any techno (sorry?) groups that Moby is influenced by? Is there anyone he's influenced by? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:01:11 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:43:37 CDT Derek Goodwrench wrote: > > > Speaking of influential groups, are there any techno (sorry?) groups > that Moby is influenced by? Is there anyone he's influenced by? > Nice one for bringing back the relevant topic! I'm not entirely sure what techno artistes influenced Moby!? Judging by EOE, it sounds like Kraftwerk were certainly influential (though at their time, I don't know if they were described as 'techno'). All I know were some of the punk rock influences of the late 70's and 80's - Black Flag, etc. It's kinda weird that many old punk/new wave outfits ended up dabbling with 'techno', eg. Leftfield, Killing Joke, etc. Maybe it's got something to do with the new, fresh, radical attitude of the original 'new wave' scene!? TMB > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Move, phono equip, influences Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:01:10 -0400 Moby is influenced by Mission of Burma & Echo and the Bunnymen, among others. I have the US Move 12", but it lacks a picture sleeve. It might be a promo, I'm not sure offhand. It has the Elektra logo on it. I heard the radio version on the CD first, so I like them both despite the short one's lackings. The same thing didn't happen with the Instinct edits, though, they were just plain silly. For a turntable for Moby records just buy something new, modern, I think. It shouldn't have to be professional. Get more info, I'm not all that well informed, and I have the pro stuff so I didn't have to research it. Any receiver with PHONO input as an option will work, that way you won't need a pre-amp. The phono's signal is weak so if you send it in thru AUX it'll be really quiet unless you boost it w/ the pre-amp. A phono input will take care of this for you, and will have a grounder. (non-charged metal thing you connect to reduce background static) I'll look into that CD and see what I come up w/. There's fewer stores specializing in dance CD than records, but I'll see what turns up. I like the Sub Version too, and I think the Xtra mix is pretty funny. It's got that playful loungy bassline, and fades out w/ this old old old skool drum machine beat w/ a single whiste sound thrown in, I can just imagine the huge grin on Moby's face when he did that. The MK Blades is definately worth checking out too. These 3 are on the UK Move mixes 12" w/ the chopped Move from the CD. It's got a really cool picture of Moby on the back that should have been in the liners for the Move US CD. It's got this slo-mo photgraphy effect while Moby swings his head. Is this on the CD, too? -t'Later, Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Move Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:16:21 -0600 [was Re: (mobility) Move, phono equip, influences] Steve Giles wrote: > ...but I'll see what turns up. I like > the Sub Version too, and I think the Xtra mix is pretty funny. It's got that > playful loungy bassline, and fades out w/ this old old old skool drum > machine beat w/ a single whiste sound thrown in, I can just imagine the huge > grin on Moby's face when he did that. The MK Blades is definately worth > checking out too. These 3 are on the UK Move mixes 12" w/ the chopped Move > from the CD. It's got a really cool picture of Moby on the back that should > have been in the liners for the Move US CD. It's got this slo-mo photgraphy > effect while Moby swings his head. Is this on the CD, too? No, that neat picture is not on the CD. I haven't heard a Move remix that I dislike (my complaint with the radio edit is only because the full version isn't also available on CD). I wish they were all on CD, but I can see how the Xtra Mix would be just some vinyl fun. I like that whole mix, but the funny ending is frosting on the cake. :) Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Move Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:31:45 -0400 Dan Cerman wrote: >>No, that neat picture is not on the CD. Well if anyone wants the Move mixes on vinyl, here they are: http://www.imvs.co.uk/catalogues.htm The also have both Hymn 12", inluding all the German CD mixes. For details check the discog, the catalog numbers are 12MUTE128 & L12MUTE158. They have the ATINITBL/Whip It 7", The Story So Far on 12"LP, and they're the only place I've seen with Moby cassette singles. A veritable fountain of goodies, be sure to browse. They have 68 different Moby items, although a few are repeats on different formats or countries. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: (mobility) Re: Permanent Midnight (was; collabs) Date: 15 Sep 1998 11:48:23 -0700 > Oh, and a bit of Moby...I finally got to hear "Honey" the other day (it's > on the soundtrack for Permanent Midnight, Other than for the Honey track is this soundtrack worth buying? does anyone know what else is on it? any other Moby songs? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Permanent Midnight track listing Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:51:12 -0400 Anthony Colorez wrote: >Other than for the Honey track is this soundtrack worth buying? >does anyone know what else is on it? any other Moby songs? No other Moby songs, here's the tracklist: 01. Now Is The Time - The Crystal Method (Permanent Midnight mix) 02. EPR - Girls Against Boys 03. Get Miles - Gomez 04. Horses - Black Lab 05. Suite From Permanent Midnight - Free Radical/Paul Hepker 06. Overwhelming - Art Alexakis 07. Cigarette - Lael Alderman 08. Godspeed - BT 09. Honey - Moby 10. Permanent Theme, A - Spring Heel Jack 11. Smack My Bitch Up - Prodigy 12. Take Your Time - Spiritualized 13. Tape Loop - Morcheeba (Diabolical Brothers mix) 14. Free Ride - Embrace ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Permanent Midnight track listing Date: 15 Sep 1998 14:27:14 EDT This is off topic, but does anyone know if that BT - Godspeed has been released other than on this soundtrack? And, can someone tell me something about Morcheeba? They are playing in DC on Friday and I was wondering what they are. Thanks. Later. AJ In a message dated 9/15/98 4:55:28 PM, Steve.Giles@digital.com writes: << 08. Godspeed - BT 09. Honey - Moby 10. Permanent Theme, A - Spring Heel Jack 11. Smack My Bitch Up - Prodigy 12. Take Your Time - Spiritualized 13. Tape Loop - Morcheeba (Diabolical Brothers mix)>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Kilduff" Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #218 Date: 15 Sep 1998 13:42:44 -0500 9/15/98 RE>mobility-digest V1 #218 1:40 PM can someone tell me something about Morcheeba? They are playing in DC on Friday and I was wondering what they are. Thanks. Later. AJ hi. morcheeba plays here next thursday (minneapolis) and i think it is definitely worth checking out. if you like massive attack-type stuff (they play sunday!) kind of a chill groove with great vocals. they had a song on the radio a while back called trigger hippy, you've probably heard it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) flesh Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:10:29 -0600 Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because of Moby? How many have considered? Scoffed? MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) Mobility tribute 2? Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:17:49 -0600 I heard Xaq mention(on KUMD) an album you guys put out to thank moby for inspiration, etc. before i was on the list. Is there gonna be another? If so, i would like to submit some of my moby-inspired/sampled/remixed songs. Also-------if and how can i get a copy of the first one? C'mon-answer up! MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) veggiennnthanx Date: 15 Sep 1998 16:35:04 -0400 Unless someone will dub it for ya, Thanks is done for. I tried to get one myself last April. No go. A 2nd tribute sounds enticing, but we'd need someone with the time, equipment, & dedication to do it. From what I can tell the last effort turned out to be a bigger project than expected and Andy has to put up with a lot of crap by the time he got done. From the feedback it sounds like it was worth it 100%. I recognize the merit displayed within the EIW liner notes, but I lack the motivation & willpower to become a vegetarian. Philisophically I think it's a great idea. I know one never knows until he tries, but I can't even kick cigarettes. (most of the time I don't even want to, health or no health) I lack the energy even to be disgusted w/ my own apathy, but at least I recognize my faults, which I guess is the first step in attacking them. My life is busy and I don't have room to make sweeping changes now. To completely alter my diet and quit smoking would test every iota of mental strength I have, something I'm not ready to try yet. I know I would be an agitated, unsympathetic, rude, short-fused individual for however long it would take to adjust, and I don't want to put myself and my friends & family through that. Maybe later. Please keep critical comments on this where they belong, private if it's solely about me, public if it's Moby-related. Oh yeah, I'd have to move out and make all new friends if I did that too. The temptation of being surrounded by that which I'm trying to escape would be too much. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) an afterthought Date: 15 Sep 1998 16:45:37 -0400 Regarding my previous post, I think we can have a wonderful discussion as long as we stay on topic. If anyone chooses to follow up on this, let's keep it on-topic and related to Moby & his beleifs. If we steer off and start running off on crazy philosophy tangents that would turn this list into a forum for something other than it was intended, and that has angered many when it happened in the past. If that happened I'd feel very bad about posting my thoughts on Moby's beleif in detail. I apologize in advance if anybody feels this was out of order. -Steve The words for the day are content & on-topic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JadenX@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:04:52 EDT Hello list! I finally got both Honey CD's as well as the UK vinyl. I have to listen to them more to give a review. Anyway, kudos to whoever put up the address for Replay records (was it you Steve??? you rawk). I put the order in on Thurs and received it today. Fast for the UK. -Carmen B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 15 Sep 1998 16:15:18 -0500 >Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because >of Moby? Moby helped influence me, but I wouldn't say that I'm a vegetarian /because/ of Moby. Reading the EIW liner notes were one of the things that really got me thinking about it, and I went on to do more extensive research and investigation before deciding to take the challenge. Steve--just dive into it my friend, you'll be surprised. --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) fun from afar Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:21:42 -0400 Carmen B. wrote: >>(was it you Steve??? you rawk). Thank you and you're welcome. :) I'm surprised you ordered from Replay, lots of other places had more Moby and more techno to choose from. I just looked at thier catalog cause I haven't been there in a while and all they had was AR. I guess they only had one of each Honey release. I'm gonna have to get the UK vinyl too since the promo of it I got was either a bad pressing or received invisible damage. The Sweet Honey mix skips in 3 places. :( >>Fast for the UK. I've found that recently I get stuff from the UK in about 4 days after I get confirmation of my payment's arrival. I use money orders also, so I don't have to wait for the international check clearing process. If you're ordering from overseas and you want your stuff in a timely fashion, use a credit card (immediate payment)or a money order. (3-4 days to get there) Has anyone heard the other two Jr. Vasquez mixes of Into The Blue, the two not on the CD? Just looking for info and opinions as usual. I got that monster ETYTM poster today. Rock Man Rock. (I like that alot, Jake, and keep reading those Card books!) -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey Date: 15 Sep 1998 16:24:13 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: JadenX@aol.com > kudos to whoever put up the address for Replay records (was it you Steve??? > you rawk). I put the order in on Thurs and received it today. Fast for > the UK. > That sucks for me. I put my order in at Replay two weeks ago this friday and have yet to even receive a confirmation, let alone cds. Maybe I need to check on the order status and see if it's been processed or shipped yet? Or if the order even took from the website. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:51:49 -0400 Brad wrote: >>That sucks for me. I put my order in at Replay two weeks ago Wow, I checked the stuff they used to have that I listed in the buying ops post and I'm glad people are taking advantage of them. Makes me happy. As for the results.. well I hope your order is intact, Brad. I recommend always sending an e-mail requesting confirmation if you're only filling out a form on their site. About half of what I order is from private dealers, not stores, and I've found that strong communication is very important wherever you order from. So, have I single-handedly increased the global demand for Moby music yet? :) -s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) fun from afar Date: 15 Sep 1998 15:50:55 -0600 Steve Giles wrote: > I'm gonna have to get > the UK vinyl too since the promo of it I got was either a bad pressing or > received invisible damage. The Sweet Honey mix skips in 3 places. :( So does mine! AFAIK it is the same on both the promo and release 12"s. I figured it was the record player's fault, or that I got some messed up records. > Has anyone heard the other two Jr. Vasquez mixes of Into The Blue, the two > not on the CD? Just looking for info and opinions as usual. Yes. They're similar to the other Vasquez mixes, but without vocals. "Into The Blue (Tribal Dub)" is my favorite. It's another track I wish I had on CD. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:17:50 -0600 I'm going to be purchasing a DAT recorder in the next month or sooner, and i also have a sequencer/workstation/mixer and a cd recorder. If everyone sent me songs in DAT or cd(i know, i know--everyone doesn't have a cd recorder), I could do the actual mixing,etc. but I don't know nuthin' 'bout that there copywritin' and such. MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) Mobility tribute 2? Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:13:22 -0500 you cannot get an "official" (wow i sound full of myself) copy of "Thanks" the Moby tribute CD. Only 52 copies are available worldwide, and I think you might have a near impossible time trying to get one of its owners give it up.... andy gingerbread man -----Original Message----- Also-------if and how can i get a copy of the first one? MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DUSTIN RAINWATER" Subject: (mobility) Permanent Green Date: 15 Sep 1998 17:57:02 -0500 I was curious about some of the samples from "Permanent Green" off of = Early Underground. For a while I though that the samples sounded like = Micheal Jackson but now I am not so sure. I'm under the impression that = Micheal Jackson wasn't big on letting people sample him/his music. Furthermore, about a month ago I was listening to a cd called "The = Beginnings of London House" (released 1988 on FFRR) and it had some of the = same samples that "Permanent Green" did.=20 I guess I am asking who did he sample? Where did the samples come from? Sorry if someone has already asked this here but I am kinda new to the = list and I really like the track. Also are there any remixes/versions that = are different from the one on Early Underground? --Dustin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq Subject: (mobility) the "offical" release of "lull" by xero products Date: 15 Sep 1998 18:35:34 -0500 (CDT) some of you may have gotten a tape of my stuff a while back, and some of you may have heard my music on KUMD here in duluth, mn. anyway, here's the scoop....xero products (that's me) has offically released "lull" a 90 minute tape of 12 melodic techno songs. if you got a tape from me before, this is different stuff eventhough the name of the album is the same. i also put a lot of time into the art work. it's all clear, so you can see right through the tape case! you can order a copy direct from me, or, if you live in or near duluth, you can go to Round-About records on superior st. downtown and get a copy. however, if you order a copy from me, it'll be $1 cheeper! only $5! if you want to know any more about me and my music, please send me a PRIVATE email. if you want to order a copy, just send a check made out to Zac Bentz to this address: xaq 332 N 34th Ave. E Duluth, MN 55804 i will send you a tape within 2 days of getting your money. also, all the money i get will go right back into making more tapes and eventually a CD and 12" single. THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!! [xaq] "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop. but i really enjoy thinking." Masafumi Sanai-photographer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:48:55 -0400 At 04:15 PM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because >>of Moby? moby was a huge influence on me to not eat meat anymore. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:53:36 -0400 At 05:17 PM 9/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >I'm going to be purchasing a DAT recorder in the next month or sooner, and >i also have a sequencer/workstation/mixer and a cd recorder. If everyone >sent me songs in DAT or cd(i know, i know--everyone doesn't have a cd >recorder), I could do the actual mixing,etc. but I don't know nuthin' 'bout >that there copywritin' and such. if we get as much cooperation on this as we did the first one, i'd very much love to release it on my online label. i get a decent number of hits a day, and my label's stuff gets played on several college stations accross the country (and globe). i don't really deal with copyrights, but for this, i'd make an exception and have all the credit go to moby first, then to each artist secondly. no money is to be made as sho records is non-profit. each cd would sell for $5. but it's a great way to get the music heard. if you'd like to master it to dat, that's cool. i can take over the job after that of mass producting them on cdR. i'd like to make a second tribute....i think it's time. feedback anyone? bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:03:09 -0500 i would certainly be interested in contributing to the second album! no more production for me for a while! andy gingerbread man i'd like to make a second tribute....i think it's time. feedback anyone? bye, ryu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:31:27 EDT In a message dated 9/16/98 2:08:35 AM, ryu97@psu.edu writes: <> If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them with meat? Cause they taste so good. There are plenty of reason why to not eat animals, but they are healthy (in moderation) and are tasty. I don't think reading something could make me change my mind about anything. Maybe if someone brought me to a slaughtering, I could ponder the idea, but I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs because of my own feelings of them. And, I feel that no meat would really limit my menu as I am picky enough already. Anyway, everyone has their own ideas. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:33:30 EDT I would have nothing to contribute to a second Thanks, escept for my 5 bucks. I still kick myself for not buying the first one. I bought that video instead that never came.... LAter. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:40:17 EDT definately make a second tribute, cuz i wasn't around when the first came out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:41:23 EDT In a message dated 9/15/98 9:08:35 PM Central Daylight Time, ryu97@psu.edu writes: << >>Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because >>of Moby? >> i was a vegatarian before i heard of moby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:46:37 -0500 >If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them with meat? Huh. We've got meat. Ever eat a human being? I guess a veg*an/non-veg*an debate would be inappropriate for this list eh? --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Clancy Subject: (mobility) OMD remix and hi, sorry its a long one Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:58:52 -0400 I don't know if anybody mentioned this(just joined and haven't back checked the other days digest) is that Moby did a remix of OMD's Sovenir which is on a cd single and 12"(part 1) being released in the UK on Monday. Oh yeah, hi. JUst joined the list but in a way I have been with the list since its inception. Because I didn't have my own computer I usually looked in on the list from friends computers and on the ones at the college I go to. Finally got my own and so here I am. Lets see I little about me. My name is Keith Clancy, I live in Hicksville, Ny which is on Long Island (about 30 minutes from NYC). I am a junior in college (though am takeing a semester off before transfering to SUNY New Paltz). Started to listen to Moby back in '92 when Go just came out as a single and heard it a rave in NYC at that time but not until a a year later when the Move ep came out which had great reviews did I fully get into Moby and all his incarnations. I am a huge fan of music ( I buy at least one cd or vinyl a week). Besides Moby am a huge fan of Tori Amos, Depeche Mode, and the Cure. Also listen to The Orb, F.S.O.L., Aphex Twin(all of his projects), Dead Can Dance, Underworld, New Order, Meat Beat Manifesto. Brian Eno, Orbital,Chemical Brothers, Portishead, Dj Shadow, Jeff Mills, Detriot techno(Kevin Saunderson,Juan Atkins,etc), MoWax label, Skint label, No U Turn label, Autechre, Sabres of Paradise, and anything on Novamute just to name a few. Before I list what I actual own I just wanted to put a idea foward for everyone to think about. I would love to trade tapes with people on the list. But not only the usual bootleg trading(though if you have I would love to trade a tape of something for it) but that of rare tracks,remixes, etc. If you didn't have anything rare of Moby to make a copy of and trade with I know I would take anything dealing the artists I listed above or if you wanted I think it is generally done in other trading groups each tape I give to you, you would give me 2 blank tapes. This is a just a idea, anyone interested mail me. Here is what I own. All are domestic US cd. Anything with * means just ordered it the other day so should get it 5 days or so. Brainstorm 12"* Barracuda 12"* Go - roughtrade, ultimate go, instinct remixes cd , 12" Drop a Beat- cd,12" Moby Next is the E - dom. cd, import cd (rough trade) Early Underground Ambient - import vinyl The Story so Far -import vinyl * Move - cd, import 12, L12" All that I need - 12" Hymn - import cd,lcd, 12",L12" Feeling so Real Everytime you touch me - dom cd, promo 2x12", import cd,lcd,12",L12" What Love- promo cd Everything is Wrong/Underwater - import double cd Everything is Wrong interview Into the Blue - import cd,lcd,12, promo 12"(vasquez mixes) Disk Bring Back my Happines - cd, import cd Dj remix of Everything Rare:The Bsides Revolver - dom promo cd, 12", import cd,lcd,12" Animal Rights/Little Idiot - double import Animal Rights- dom US cd Come on Baby - import double cd James Bond - dom promo 12, IMPORT cd, 12", L12" I like to score Honey - import cd,lcd, 12", L12" * Voodoo Child - Demons/Horses - import 12" Higher/Desperate - import cd End of Everything - domestic cd, importcd cd Dog Heaven - cd Lopez - Why cant it stop - importcd - Emptiness - 12" Dj Cake- Sugar Baby - import cd Miscallaneous - Everytime you touch me- fucked up version Frog - vinyl Patients Verb - dom promo Republican party Move (volume mix) All that I need (melodic mix) Lets go Free (live 95) Gracesio Oil 1 - dom 2x12" PROMO MIXMAG Live Vol 2 Recoil - Curse Mixes - Opus III - I talk to the wind - promo 12" Recoil - Faith Healer Orbital - Speed Freak - imp 12" Brian Eno- Fractal Zoom Prodigy - Everybody in the Place - dom 12" Shamen - Make it Mine - dom cd Blur - Beetlebum - imp cd Eskimos and Egypt - Fall from Grace - imp cd Fortran 5 - Heart on the Line - imp cd The Heads - Damage Ive done LFO - Tan Ta Ra The Other TWo - Moving ON Pet Shop Boys - Miseralism Soundgarden - Dusty - imp cd Mettalica - Until it Sleeps - imp L10" B-52's - Good Stuff - promo 12" - Revolution Earth/Mo'Dean - dom cd , 12" Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 - imp 12" Yello - Lost Again - imp vinyl lp Michael Jackson - Who is it - dom promo 2x12" - Beat it _ dom 12" Soho - Ride - promo 12" David Bowie - Dead Man Walking - dom promo 12" John Lyndon - Graverider - dom cd Jam and Spoon - Stella(complette) - imp 12" * Fierce Ruling Diva - You Gotta Believe - imp 12" part 1 Erasure - Am I Right - L12" Jon Spencer - Greyhound Like I said if you want to trade with me email me and will take with how to proced. Later Keith Now Playing - UNKLE - Psyence Fiction - James Levalle and Dj Shadows masterpiece finally released, though must get it on vinyl. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:58:49 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryu > i'd like to make a second tribute....i think it's time. > > feedback anyone? > I'm up for it, I think. As soon as I clear up some harddrive space, I'm going to finally attempt that Oil 1+2=3 edit from I Like to Score and the Outtakes cassette. And I just took the tape Oil 2 is on to my friend's studio across town. Now I have to go get it again. Or maybe I can just do the edit over there on Randy's better equiptment for $20 an hour. On second thought, maybe I better just go pick up the tape. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Behm Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:09:51 -0500 >Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:03:09 -0500 >From: "Andrew J. Davies" >Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 > >i would certainly be interested in contributing to the second album! no >more production for me for a while! I'd volunteer a track. The Benny Hinn Experience would be honored to cover a Moby track. :-) Brian the Minnesotan (who'll change the name to the Robert Tilton Experience as soon as he gets sued) The extent to which we think such trivialities as "WWJD" or Testamints are effective witnesses to an unbelieving world says quite a bit about the depth of our faith, and I say that to our collective shame. ~Matt Laswell -------------------------behmer@pioneerplanet.infi.net-------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:36:42 -0500 >Hello list! I finally got both Honey CD's as well as the UK vinyl. I have to >listen to them more to give a review. Anyway, kudos to whoever put up the >address for Replay records (was it you Steve??? you rawk). I put the order in >on Thurs and received it today. Fast for the UK. > >-Carmen B. WHAT? I reposted the address for Replay records but when I ordered over 2 weeks ago they said that they were out of the 1st CD and it would take a few days to restock. I still haven't recieved anything!!! Anyway, how much did you end up paying? I calculated that it was less than 11 dollars (US) for both CDs and shipping. What's up with my order? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) EIW Interview Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:13:51 -0600 [was Re: (mobility) OMD remix and hi, sorry its a long one] Keith Clancy wrote, among other things: > Everything is Wrong interview Wow, that's a really impressive list, Keith! There's a lot on there that I don't have. Please tell us about this EIW Interview. Is it on CD? If so, I'd appreciate any & all information you can give about it for use in the discography, such as its catalog number, track list (questions), etc. I've been wondering for a long time whether there was an EIW interview disc (I have the AR Interview). Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DREW" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #218 Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:27:12 -0500 > >can someone tell me something >about Morcheeba? They are playing in DC on Friday and I was wondering what >they are. Thanks. Later. >AJ sup i saw morcheeba last friday last friday in dallas...i highly recommendu going to check it out...i describe the music as if Sade was lead singer of a happier portishead... drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 00:49:00 -0400 >If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them with meat? if god didn't want us to fuck until we all died from disease, why did he create pee pee's and love holes? not everything that god created is ours to indulge in i don't think. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 02:25:24 -0700 krwilson wrote: > > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because > of Moby?Sorry is anyone considers this to be off topic, but lately I've been trying to get my arms up to 16", so let's just say that I have not kicked the red(or white) meat habit- yet because when ever I stop eating meat for a period of more than a few weeks my growth cums to sudden halt. although I admit that I haven't looked into many "meat alternatives". I've been toying with the idea of becoming a vegan for a while, and yes Moby (and others) have made me actually think about it seriously. right now I don't drink, smoke, shoot up, ect.(although Moby didn't influence this at all) oh, and Dairy products disgust me. I mean drinking milk from a cow that was supposed to be for a calve? unnngh. -Anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 03:14:21 EDT I didn't mean to provoke this discussion, cause it will never end. IT will be like that religion one months ago where I just gave up reading posts from this list. So.... How about this Ken Starr guy? Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) veggiennnthanx Date: 16 Sep 1998 12:17:03 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:04 -0400 Steve Giles wrote: > > I recognize the merit displayed within the EIW liner notes, but I lack the > motivation & willpower to become a vegetarian. Philisophically I think it's > a great idea. I know one never knows until he tries, but I can't even kick > cigarettes. (most of the time I don't even want to, health or no health) I > lack the energy even to be disgusted w/ my own apathy, but at least I > recognize my faults, which I guess is the first step in attacking them. My > life is busy and I don't have room to make sweeping changes now. To > completely alter my diet and quit smoking would test every iota of mental > strength I have, something I'm not ready to try yet. I know I would be an > agitated, unsympathetic, rude, short-fused individual for however long it > would take to adjust, and I don't want to put myself and my friends & family > through that. Maybe later. Please keep critical comments on this where they > belong, private if it's solely about me, public if it's Moby-related. > > Oh yeah, I'd have to move out and make all new friends if I did that too. > The temptation of being surrounded by that which I'm trying to escape would > be too much. > > -Steve > I know what you mean. I'm still trying to give up smoking ciggies (cannibis is even harder, but I don't smoke that very much anymore - it would be great to get it in tablet form though), but I'm slowly getting there I think!? I found it much easier to give up eating meat than smoking, but that's me! I think I've got a pretty good diet of fresh fruit and veg. and all the other wonderful new veggie meat substitutes (normally made out of soya, tofu or 'Quorn' mycoprotein) availbale now and feel so much better, especially now I've combined it with more exercise. I know it doesn't sound very appealing to those who are avid meat-eaters, but it can and does work for many. Sometimes it takes just a little more imagination when you cook or buy whatever food wherever. I hope this didn't sound too critical or self-righteous!? TMB ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 12:21:09 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:10:29 -0600 krwilson wrote: > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because > of Moby? > > I gave up before I got into Moby. When I discovered his music and his philosophies on life I was very encouraged and pleased, to put it mildly. > > > > > TMB > > > > MO > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:13:50 +0100 (British Summer Time) Not eating meat doesn't mean you can't be a body-builder. There are alternative sources of protein. They had a debate on TV last year about vegetarianism, etc and brought on two body-builders - both were roughly the same size and one was a strict vegetarian. It is harder to get alternative sources of protein because humans (in the West anyway) have geared their lives around animal products, but it is possible. If it isn't, then you've got to rationalise and think which is more important - how you look or how the animals you eat suffer? It sounds a bit of a cliche I know, but it's true. I mean we in the West especially, have no excuse. We've got plenty of food while others are starving. They're the ones who need our meat - we don't really need it at all. In certain parts of the world they have to eat meat to survive and no one should deny them that. But the west has a choice and why choose unnecessary suffering to other beings that feel pain and emotions when we don't have to!? Anyway, it makes far more sense if most of the world was vegetarian, because it means less global pollution, less unnatural ways of producing meat and the accompanying diseases associated with intensive livestock production, more land, more people who are starving will be fed and less suffering and pain all-round really. Right I'll shut-up now! TMB On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:25:24 -0700 Anthony Colorez wrote: > krwilson wrote: > > > > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because > > of Moby?Sorry is anyone considers this to be off topic, but > lately I've been trying to get my arms up to 16", so let's just say that > I have not kicked the red(or white) meat habit- yet because when ever I > stop eating meat for a period of more than a few weeks my growth cums to > sudden halt. although I admit that I haven't looked into many "meat > alternatives". > I've been toying with the idea of becoming a vegan for a while, and yes > Moby (and others) have made me actually think about it seriously. right > now I don't drink, smoke, shoot up, ect.(although Moby didn't influence > this at all) oh, and Dairy products disgust me. I mean drinking milk from > a cow that was supposed to be for a calve? unnngh. > -Anthony > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:43:00 +0100 (British Summer Time) Hey dude! Your entitled to your views. I don't want to piss you off or anything, but why can't we just try to have a logical conversation about something that's quite important - even more important than discussing Ken Starr! I mean so what if people disagree with you - does that mean we should run away from the issue in a tantrum and not face it (that Moby song springs to mind! Wow I managed to get down something Moby related!)!? Anyhow, this discussion is Moby related - regarding his philosophies on life and how we relate to each other and other living beings and everything. I know I'm no saint and I piss people off like everyone does at some time in their lives, but as long as we don't take it too personally, learn from our mistakes and not give up. Alright I must stop preaching now! TMB On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:14:21 EDT Spydercorp@aol.com wrote: > I didn't mean to provoke this discussion, cause it will never end. IT will be > like that religion one months ago where I just gave up reading posts from this > list. So.... How about this Ken Starr guy? Later. > AJ > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Kilduff" Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #219 Date: 16 Sep 1998 11:16:07 -0500 9/16/98 RE>mobility-digest V1 #219 11:10 AM i was a vegetarian long before i heard moby, but his views definitely were one of the things that impressed me about him. a lot of people say it isn't a musician's place to get all ethical/political and that they should just stick to making music. that seems like a really shallow point of view. we are all responsible for how we lead our lives and recognizing the impact that has on the world around us. more power to moby for standing up for his beliefs. i made the transition to vegan a few months ago, mostly because of my brother and because i could no longer justify not being one. reading moby's essays and liner notes now gives me support in this choice and in general i feel so much better about myself living this lifestyle. there's my 2 cents. while i'd love to hear more opinions on the subject, let's not let it degenerate into mission of conversion. what you eat is a personal choice and veggies who attack nonveggies give us a bad name. it's all about the process anyways, maybe something one of us says today will manifest later in someone's life. :> april. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #219 Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:36:37 +0100 (British Summer Time) while i'd love > to hear more opinions on the subject, let's not let it degenerate into mission > of conversion. what you eat is a personal choice and veggies who attack > nonveggies give us a bad name. it's all about the process anyways, maybe > something one of us says today will manifest later in someone's life. :> > > april. > Agreed about the 'mission conversion' bit. I hope that wasn't what I was perceived to be doing!? I'm all for people's free will to choose, but that shouldn't stop anyone from expressing the reasons for and against anything. Anyway Steve, thanks for bringing up the topic - I certainly appreciated it! Just to keep my conscience clear, apologies to anyone who thought I was being too preachy, self-opinionated and typed too much, but I don't regret it. TMB P.S. Just to be extra creepy and cover my previous written onslaughts - sorry to Paul and anyone else who were insulted by my views on REM (I liked the early stuff though!)- who may have taken it personally. I mean it's nice if people are happy and shiny and sure, everybody hurts and we should care about people that do, but for some reason those songs just grate on me. > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chilidiba9@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) parade Date: 16 Sep 1998 12:36:21 EDT Hi, Are you aware of the french great Techno Parade taking place on september 19th in Paris ? More than 40 trucks and 200 000 people excpected ! The Techno Parade official website is designed to give you more information about the entire "Electronic Rendez Vous" festival. 10 days of parties, conferences, artistic performances, and...the Techno Parade ! Take off at 2 pm - Place Denfert Rochereau - Paris. We invite you to surf the http://www.reve.org website, most of all the "retransmission" page devoted to the internet livecast planned on september 19th. Everybody will be able to profit by the greatest event ever organised in France! Happy regards, the ReVE electronic Crew. http://www.reve.org info@reve.org PS: we do believe this information interests you, if not, please accept our apologise and reply to this message with "remove" as the subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) an afterthought Date: 16 Sep 1998 11:39:04 CDT I've tried becoming a vegetarian, too, but that didn't last too long. It's a wonderful idea and I've tried it, but didn't have the power to will my way away from meat. I don't smoke or drink, so I don't have any other habits to kick. I might try to quit again, but it's highly unlikely I can quit eating meat. I love animals and agree with everything Moby says, but I just don't think I'll ever be able to do it. Keeping on-topic, I don't know if Moby himself has always been a vegetarian or not. If not, I'd sure like to know how he kicked the habit. I know Morrissey, who is also a vegetarian, said once that he didn't think he's ever eaten meat. Still, it's a lot more difficult to do than I thought before trying it. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Glad you could join us... Date: 16 Sep 1998 12:55:08 -0400 Keith, kickass collection you got there. We should trade sometime. Not now, though, cause I need my record player hooked up to something that records... Anyways, I'll post my list as well, same idea w/ the * meaning 'in the mail. I think I have everything here... CDs Moby Early Underground Rare Go bonus disc Next Is The E Into The Blue #1 UK Into The Blue #2 UK Hymn (This Is My Dream) UK Animal Rights UK Little Idiot UK Bring Back My Happiness Feeling So Real Move Voodoo Child - End Of Everything UK Everytime You Touch Me I Like To Score Revolver #1 UK Lopez - Emptiness *What Love CD promo *Revolver #2 *ATINITBL promo w/ Shining, New Dawn Fades, ITB Spencer mix *In Defense of Animals w/ Let's Go Free live *Revolver promo w/ Whip It & 2 AR live songs *hymn.alt.quiet.version *ETYTM 3-track promo *DJ Cake - Sugar Baby / Found A Way *Into The Blue (w/ Shining) Other CD: The Heads "Damage I've Done" David Bowie "Dead Man Walking" Jam & Spoon "Stella" Brian Eno "Fractal Zoom" Smashing Pumpkins "1979 remixes" On 12", LP Revolver remixes James Bond US promo (Extended, Twilo, CJ Bolland & Bonus Beats) Drop A Beat Next Is The E Next Is The E promo I Feel It Move Hymn (This Is My Dream, Laurent's Wake Up, Upriver, Dirty Hypo) Bring Back My Happiness ATINITBL mixes Move mixes Voodoo Child - Dog Heaven Voodoo Child - VC Remixes 12" UHF 12" Mobility 12" Brainstorm 12" Barracuda 12" Go 12" (Analog Nightime Low Spirit Rainforest) Moby self-titled 12" The Brotherhood - Time's Up 12" Honey promo (3 different) Pork Guys 7" *Into The Blue Vasquez mixes *Revolver w/ both Rollo & Sister Bliss mixes *Voodoo Child 12" *AWOL 7" (Deep Thoughts About The End) Other 12" The Heads "Damage I've Done" David Bowie "Dead Man Walking" promo *Jam & Spoon "Stella" *B52s "Revolution Earth/Mo-Dean?" *B52s "Good Stuff" *Shamen "Make It Mine" *Fortran 5 "Heart On The Line" *Soho "Ride" *John Lydon "Sun" w/Grave Ride *Recoil "Faith Healer" *Pet Shop Boys "Was It Worth It?" w/Miserablism Wow. I didn't realize how much stuff I had coming until I compiled this list... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JadenX@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:44:01 EDT WHAT? I reposted the address for Replay records but when I ordered over 2 weeks ago they said that they were out of the 1st CD and it would take a few days to restock. I still haven't recieved anything!!! Anyway, how much did you end up paying? I calculated that it was less than 11 dollars (US) for both CDs and shipping. What's up with my order? I ordered them from the website and received no confirmation from them. I just received all 3 items in the mail. I will tell what i was charged when my CC statement comes. -Carmen B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joris Munnik Subject: (mobility) nederlanders Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:57:57 +0200 Are there any Dutch people around here? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: (mobility) Share and share alike Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:08:12 -0500 Are we trading collection lists again? Ok, here's mine. Go Remixes (Instinct) Drop A Beat (Instinct) Moby (Instinct) Next Is The E (Rough Trade) Early Underground (Instinct) Ambient (Instinct) Move EP (Elektra) Hymn [This Is My Dream] (Mute) Hymn [alt.quiet.version] (Mute) Voodoo Child - Higher/Desperate (Trophy) Feeling So Real Remixes (Elektra) Everytime You Touch Me (Mute) Everything is Wrong (Mute) Underwater (Mute) Into the Blue Remixes (Mute) Disk (Elektra) Lopez - Emptiness (Trophy) Lopez - Why Can't It Stop? (Trophy) Bring Back My Happiness (Elektra) Everything is Wrong DJ Mix Album (Mute) Voodoo Child - Dog Heaven (Trophy) V/A MixMag V.2 Sven Vath and Moby V/A - School House Rock Rocks! [Verb! That's What's Happening] (Lava) Rare (Instinct) Go (Instinct) That's When I Reach for My Revolver (Mute) That's When I Reach for My Revolver Remixes (Mute) Animal Rights (Mute) Little Idiot (Mute) Come On Baby Ltd. Ed. 2-cd (Mute) That's When I Reach For My Revolver [b/w Whip It] 7" (SubPop) Animal Rights (Elektra) That's When I Reach For My Revolver (Elektra OZ) Voodoo Child - The End of Everything (Elektra/Trophy) I Like To Score (Elektra) Jesus [bootleg best-of cd-r] Thanks (Mobility) V/A Music from the Motion Picture Senseless [Graciosa] (Gee Street) Some Outtakes and Stuff [100min cassette] (bootleg) V/A RIM v.beta [Dog Heaven (Extended Edit)] (Bigwig Enterprises) Honey (Mute) Honey Remixes (Mute) Collected mixes/rare tracks [2hour DAT] (bootleg) Brad S. Caviness, Ricochet Bigwig Ricochet Internet Music Magazine (http://www.ricochetmusic.com) bigwig@ricochetmusic.com "I am a cipher wrapped in an enigma smothered in a secret sauce." -- Jimmy James, "News Radio" "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." -- Moby, musician. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey! Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Just curious....how's the rest of the soundtrack? danielle On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Jake M. wrote: > > I finally heard all of honey. I really like it, and its been stuck in my > head since 3:30 am this morning. I was suprised to find it. I was > looking for a cd to play for my radio show and picked up the Permanent > Midnight Sndtrk, I did not know the song was on there, but I was really > thrilled to finally here it. I think it is very different from what moby > has done, but I think that is good. > Anyway, on another note, I remember someone here posted a message > dealing with a website where you can pick songs that you can put on a cd > and have it mailed to you, does anyone still have that address. I was > looking for it, but could not find it. Thanks a lot. > > Jake > *still humming Honey as I type away in the Lab* > -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- > "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Hi again. i guess I should check all my messages first before replying to some. sorry to ask AGAIN about the soundtrack...I didn't know others have asked so please ignore it...sorry for the extra mail. Ok...now, I do hate to admit it...but I did become a vegetarian about two years ago, mostly under Moby's influence. I don't like to admit it because it makes me feel like a follower...but however, it was my decision to make...he was just a big influence...AND I'm also kind of a cheater. I'm what they call a pesco-vegetarian....i eat fish...I can't help it I'm a sucker for sushi. I'm curious to know the answer to this question myself. later, danielle On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, krwilson wrote: > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because > of Moby? > > > > > > > How many have considered? > > > > > Scoffed? > > > > > > MO > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Hi again. i guess I should check all my messages first before replying to some. sorry to ask AGAIN about the soundtrack...I didn't know others have asked so please ignore it...sorry for the extra mail. Ok...now, I do hate to admit it...but I did become a vegetarian about two years ago, mostly under Moby's influence. I don't like to admit it because it makes me feel like a follower...but however, it was my decision to make...he was just a big influence...AND I'm also kind of a cheater. I'm what they call a pesco-vegetarian....i eat fish...I can't help it I'm a sucker for sushi. I'm curious to know the answer to this question myself. later, danielle On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, krwilson wrote: > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because > of Moby? > > > > > > > How many have considered? > > > > > Scoffed? > > > > > > MO > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Last message swear. My apologies for sending my message twice. don't know how I did that. ok i'm done with filling your inboxes with junk :) danielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freak Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Last message swear. My apologies for sending my message twice. don't know how I did that. ok i'm done with filling your inboxes with junk :) danielle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) I'm tired of seeing that subject header. Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:25:43 -0400 Here's why. The 'To' line is who the message is addressed to. The 'Cc' is for other people who should get the e-mail even though it's not to them. You're sending it twice because you have both of these in there. Just use one of them, they both accept e-mail for mobility. Cc: Mobility@xmission.com Expect another Moby retail guide from me today. I found the mother of all Moby stores. Your US Move 12' is in there, looks like, Dan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:42:51 EDT The reason I didn't want to talk about this subject is not because anyones feelings would get hurt. If you feel abused or neglected or whatever because of email, well then you have big issues than what to eat for dinner. I didn't want to talk about it because our mailboxes get flooded - and the emails are much longer than normal. IT can be good, but I don't see it with this topic that cannot get solved. Animals are made of meat, and so are humans. Unfortunatly, they are always out of human when I go to the butcher. I guess I have to wake up earlier. And I'll tell you what. Say you were living your whole life to one day be the first person on MARS. you knew you would never come back because you were going to die after a day there. But that was your only purpose. To send back video footage. Whatever. Those live their life just to get fed to us. They don't have a bad life, the sit and eat good food. I don't know how they die, but there are plenty of ways to kill them that are not painfull at all. It doesn't matter if they want to or not. It isn't like Bessy was going to find the cure for Mad Cow Desease or something. They serve their purpose. If their treatment is the issue, I hope none of you vegetarians have dogs. Maybe you should go out to a puppy mill one day. Anyway, I am going up for a ham sandwich. Oh yea, ou are right that this has more relevance to anything than Ken Starr. If those damn republicans would just mind their own business. And about God creating animals with meat, I don't believe in God, so that is not my basis for that either. And finally, I just wanted to say that Steve and the new/old guy have got more Moby that Moby knows about and that is so awesome, but you should now look back at everything and calculate how much you payed for it. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Johan Jaatinen" Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 23:51:23 -0400 >Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because >of Moby? Me too. I considered Moby's arguments four years ago, became a vegetarian, and since one year I'm a vegan and an animal rights activist. (Environmentalist as well...) Cheers, Johan. _________________________________________________________________________ Johan Jaatinen, Umea, Sweden johan.jaatinen@mp.se / agape@gargamel.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:59:01 -0400 >>If you feel abused or neglected or whatever because >>of email, well then you have big issues than what to eat for dinner. >>look back at everything and calculate how much you payed for it. AJ: Easy captain. You may beleive what you like, but that last post was screaming bitterness, anger, and negativity. I like collecting Moby music and I like hearing it even more, and my financial situation is A-OK. Is this too good to be true? http://www.alternativemusic.com (Lakeshore Exchange) Moby --- All I Need is to be Loved (promo 4 track) --- CD single --- 9.99 Moby --- Ambient --- CD --- 14.99 Moby --- Animal Rights (2 CD Set) --- CD --- 20.99 Moby --- Bring Back My Hapiness --- 12" --- 9.99 Moby --- Come On Baby + 5 tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Disk - cd rom --- CD --- 14.99 Moby --- Early Underground --- CD --- 14.99 Moby --- Everything Is Wrong --- CD --- 14.99 Moby --- Feelings So Real (9 tracks) --- CD single --- 11.99 Moby --- Feeling So Real + 3 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Feeling So Real Remixes + 3 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Go (5 Mixes) --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Go (6 remixes) --- CD single --- 11.99 Moby --- Hymn + 3 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Hymn (Alt Quiet Version) --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- I Like To Score --- CD --- 13.99 Moby --- Into The Blue + 3 Mixes --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Into The Blue Remixes (6 Mixes) --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- James Bond Theme (5 Remixes) --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- James Bond Theme (8 mixes) --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- Moby --- CD --- 14.99 ****Moby --- Move --- 12" --- 9.99 Moby --- Move EP --- CD --- 10.99 Moby --- Rare: the Collected B-Sides w/Go remix cd --- CD --- 16.99 Moby --- That's When I Reach For My Revolver --- 12" --- 9.99 Moby --- That's When I Reach For My Revolver + 3 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Moby --- That's When I Reach For My Revolver Remix + 3 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Voodoo Child --- Dog Heaven + 2 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Voodoo Child --- End of Everything --- CD --- 14.99 Voodoo Child --- Higher --- 12" --- 9.99 Voodoo Child --- Higher +2 Tracks --- CD --- 10.99 Lopez --- Emptiness + 1 Track --- CD --- 9.99 Lopez --- Why Can't It Stop + 2 Tracks --- CD --- 9.99 Those are two letter v's below there, not a 'w'. http://www.vvinyl.com (Vintage Vinyl) (I've only listed notables) Voodoo Child - Dog Heaven Lopez - Emptiness Everything Is Wrong Remix 2CD Feeling So Real (domestic and import) Everytime You Touch Me (domestic & import) Into The Blue (both import singles) Revolver 7" JBT mixes (don't know which) ****Honey (both import singles, 9.99 each, US vendor!!! NJ) http://www.gemm.com This place is sketchy, lots of different people & vendors selling stuff together. If anybody gets the Basement Rock deal be sure totell the rest of us about it. ATINITBL CD (mixes or Shining/New Dawn/Spencermix???) Basement Rock 12" Honey (I recommend against ordering this here. Too much annoying processing hassle with Gemm, this place is really annoying from what I can sumrise, you order from Gemm, they order from vendor, vendor ships to Gemm, Gemm ships to you. Or something close to this. Big pain in the ass) I Feel It Drop A Beat Ultimate Go Revolver Remixes other singles http://www.secretsounds.com/ ATINITIBL 7" JBT 12" That's it for now. I've passed over many places that have generic stuff that you can get anywhere. Have a nice tension-free day if possible, everyone. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:56:56 -0700 (PDT) hey thanks 2 could be a good idea. i would like to contribute but i aint such a good musician. mine would end up on the rejects disc ;) or something. i mean, i could do a really lo-fi kinda thing. well, not now, when i get some equipment. which might not be for a while. but this won't come out for a while, if it does, so i got time. i'm kinda iffy on sharing my ideas cuz some 1 might steal em, but my idea is starting out like Orbital's "Dwr Budr" and then covering NITE in an ambient version, and then reverting back to a full-on cover of "Dwr Budr". interesting, eh? but i dont have any equipment. i have so many ideas and titles but no equipment. yet. plus all i have is a sony tape recorder to record on. so it would be REAAAAAL Lo-fi. anyone who heard my first demo (like only 2 people...i have GOT to buy some blanks and make more copies...) knows what i mean. oh well bye. == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D Bergstrom" Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:50:15 -0400 >Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because >of Moby? Hey, This may be sorta weird, cause this is an email from two, yes count 'em, TWO different people at the same time. Jennafur, who has posted something, and Kelly, who well... has been lazy and just reading everything and not posting anything. :P Anyway, we thought we'd both give our comments about the Moby maybe influencing us to become veggies quesstions. Kelly: Actually I made the choice to become a vegetarian about a week before i was introduced to Moby's amazing music (suck up points!!! heh) and he was one of the reasons that I started to dabble in veganism. So, maybe he did influence me a *little* bit, his facts and essays did give me the kick in the butt to actually pay attention to what I was putting into my body, but it was more or less my own decision to stop eating animal products. Right now I'm a lacto-vegetarian, cause of a few reasons, but I still think eggs are WRONG. (but that's just my opinion. not trying to change anyone else's views. to each his own.) Other moby fans I know are still meat eaters. I dont think Moby really has THAT much control over anyone. If people go veggie after reading what moby has to say, they probably were thinking about stuff like this for a long time in the back of their head. Generally, Moby followers aren't dumb enough to just follow things blindly unlike SOME people *coughSPICEGIRLSFANScough* (jen sez ditto). peace. Jennafur: I became a "veggie" after doing a biology debate on milk as the perfect food (i was against milk as the perfect food). It was what I learned about the animal husbandry and ethics that really gave me the umph to go veggie. Before I knew the facts I was more or less ignorant. I would have become a veggie a long time before I did, had I the knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes in the food industry. I liked Moby's points, and they were a help for me convincing my family to let me go veggie, but in the end the self control to actually become a vegetarian was my own. Any questions or comments? ________________________________________ Popularity is kinda like Tupperware: expensive plastic that's sold at parties. -Anon. ________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) Oh,man! Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:46:01 -0600 Oh,man! i just got done reading all of those responses to thanks 2 and flesh.................................................hmmmmmm............... ..........most of you surprised me with your open-mindedness on a subject I usually get brow-beaten on. I don't think i'll talk about this anymore. I realize now that people are able to rationalize any behavior, no matter how cruel. Cows are kept in cages barely big enough to hold them-let alone move around. People who work in "livestock production"(VERY pc name for this barbary) do cruel and unusual things to the poor animals that would make you sick. I have read books on the subject and have heard stories about this. People throw live baby chickens into meat grinders to feed the other animals. One of my friends knew a guy who worked at a slaughterhouse, and he said some of the guys would take perverse pleasure in torturing the animals before finally killing them. If you pay for meat, you directly support animal cruelty of the most atrocious kind. I say don't pay for something if you don't believe in it. As for having to get new friends etc., will power is created out of thin air--you can do anything you want if you decide it is right. As for people who think this topic has gotten too far away from Moby, I would bet anything he would be more impressed with our discussions on moral issues than he ever could be by listing hard-to-find moby tracks. I have nothing against anything posted here, but i like to get into deep matters from time to time. As i said, this is my final word on the subject. I hope it at least got one person thinking................. On the subject of thanks 2, I was very encouraged by the enthusiasm for the idea. Maybe if I(and possibly some one else) can do the whole DAT thing, and ryu can do the cd/copyright thing, and we all do some tracks, we could do one every year. I'm sure a few people who did the first one are smiling saying "Just try one and see if you ever want to do it again", but you people don't know how much i love producing, writing, anything to do with music. It's not all fun, but I love a challenge. Lets keep kickin' around ideas. Sorry for the heavy content, but a good dose of the truth only hurts you if you let it. MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) Lull tape Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:53:01 -0600 HEY,HEY,HEY! I heard Xaq play a couple of songs off of the new "lull" tape and I was impressed! good stuff people. mellow, but not too mellow. beauty points are there. structure and content.......... get one OK?(i get paid tomorrow and I'm gonna get one after i cash my check) :) MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question Date: 16 Sep 1998 20:51:12 -0500 >>>look back at everything and calculate how much you payed for it. Hey, Steve and others: I've got nothing rare, nothing vinyl, nothing that's not in the avg. Mobyility collection. But keep buying them all up and doing that stuff--I think it's admirable. I don't think we should knock others on the list for their extensive collections. Where do we unite otherwise? --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bonnie Williams Subject: (mobility) remove from list Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:02:14 -0700 Hey....how do you get removed from this list??? I can't keep up anymore ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:14:08 EDT steve, do you know any stores here in chicago that have a lot of moby. if you do, either post or private please. thanks drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) Oh,man! Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:45:15 CDT You've got me thinking. It's sad to hear that they're making a game out of it sometimes. Sort of like someone dabbling with my own life if I was in the same position. Thanks. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Situation out of control Date: 17 Sep 1998 00:34:47 EDT I just want everyone to understand what I am saying. This is the one thing I don't like about email is you can't convey feelings over it. You can tell when someone is happy or angry when they are writing a letter, but email has nothing. First of all, about the Moby collecting. I think it is awesome. Don't get me wrong. I was just wondering how much money was spent on all the Moby. I get Moby whenever I see it, I just don't go out to the web stores to do it. MY collection is at 33 CDs and that is it. People think I am crazy because they listen to Puff Daddy or whatever who only has 2 albums. As for the meat, it seems I am in the vocal minority for the pro-steak side. I used to live in PA and the butcher that we bought all our meat from did not get meat like that. Maybe Purdue or some huge companies do that, but not locally, at least what I am familiar with. And, the truth is that we are supporting this by eating meat. However, we buy shoes, wear clothes, have pets, and go fishing. There is just as bad if not worse treatment in those industries - Nike - Gifford - Puppy Mills - Dolphins. And 2 of them deal with humans. My feeling is that if you want to believe in it, then do it. You can't go halfway. If you are a vegetarian with leather boots or wallet or anything along those lines, that is pure hipocracy. If you are against polution, don't drive a car or at least get your emmission controled and light your house by candlelight and cook over the fireplace. Moby is a great example, and even though I can see where he comes from and even agree with most of what he says, I could not see myself changing my mind. And I am sorry if this sounds bitter or negative or pissy, if you all had AOL (which I don't recomend) I would send it to you in pink text. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: nothing Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:29:24 +0000 I'M quite sure god doesn't want you to fuck anyone........ever. by the way plovious>>>>>>>>>> i got your chart....sending it this week........ and why doesn't moby ever share his views here.......EVER? clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: more nothing Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:36:50 +0000 > And finally, I just wanted to say that > Steve and the new/old guy have got more Moby that Moby knows about and that is > so awesome, but you should now look back at everything and calculate how much > you payed for it. Later. > AJ EXACTLY....it's only money do you ever give a dime to help people who are political prisoners or victims of aids? how about abused and negleccted children? you could build a temple....but.....in fact, i think you are! clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 16 Sep 1998 22:41:08 +0000 > Generally, Moby followers aren't dumb enough to just follow things blindly > unlike SOME people *coughSPICEGIRLSFANScough* (jen sez ditto). peace. > ...........actually.....moby says he likes the spice girls.....cough peace clay peace please exactly we're all braggers steve and accusers glad you're a-okay financially ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shane Snyder/SantaAna/IM-US/Ingram Subject: Re: (mobility) Situation out of control Date: 16 Sep 1998 23:39:31 -0700 I personally started eating a vegan diet a few years ago. Recently I have stopped being so strict due to the overwhelming pressure when eating out/at friends, etc. At this time, I eat vegan to the extent possible without sacrificing the need for a nutritious meal when away from home. My decision for eating this way was based solely on the nutritional reasons. Eating animals was not an original intention of our creator, and our bodies do not metabolize animal fats and protiens the same way they do those found in plant foods. It is that simple. I discovered Moby right after making the change in my diet and thought it was a neat coincidence. However, I completely disagree with him on the reasons for being vegetarian. It is not cruel to eat animals. They are a natural resource of the earth, the same as plants, water, soil, oil, minerals, etc. etc. etc. God gave them to us as a gift, to serve whatever purposes we find for them, whether it be entertainment, transportation, protection, clothing, or even food. Genesis 9:3,4 "Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU. Only flesh with its soul-its blood-YOU must not eat." They fact they move and breath and pro-create simply gives witness to the intelligence of the God that created them. But, if Moby was truly a Christian, he would know the Jehovah created animals to be in subjection to mankind. They do not have 'rights'. This does NOT mean that we should be careless and wasteful. As with any natural resource, they should be treated with respect and conserved. Causing animals unnecessary suffering or killing them to point of extinction is blatantly disrespectful. Proverbs 12:10 "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal," It is noteworthy though that mankind did not eat animals until AFTER the great flood of Noah's day. However, after Armageddon, when the Earth is restored to the paradise it was intended to be, most likely mankind will return to a strictly vegetarian diet. And that is all I have to say about that.... ----===MoonDogg--> Spydercorp@aol.com on 09/16/98 05:34:47 PM Please respond to mobility@lists.xmission.com cc: I just want everyone to understand what I am saying. This is the one thing I don't like about email is you can't convey feelings over it. You can tell when someone is happy or angry when they are writing a letter, but email has nothing. First of all, about the Moby collecting. I think it is awesome. Don't get me wrong. I was just wondering how much money was spent on all the Moby. I get Moby whenever I see it, I just don't go out to the web stores to do it. MY collection is at 33 CDs and that is it. People think I am crazy because they listen to Puff Daddy or whatever who only has 2 albums. As for the meat, it seems I am in the vocal minority for the pro-steak side. I used to live in PA and the butcher that we bought all our meat from did not get meat like that. Maybe Purdue or some huge companies do that, but not locally, at least what I am familiar with. And, the truth is that we are supporting this by eating meat. However, we buy shoes, wear clothes, have pets, and go fishing. There is just as bad if not worse treatment in those industries - Nike - Gifford - Puppy Mills - Dolphins. And 2 of them deal with humans. My feeling is that if you want to believe in it, then do it. You can't go halfway. If you are a vegetarian with leather boots or wallet or anything along those lines, that is pure hipocracy. If you are against polution, don't drive a car or at least get your emmission controled and light your house by candlelight and cook over the fireplace. Moby is a great example, and even though I can see where he comes from and even agree with most of what he says, I could not see myself changing my mind. And I am sorry if this sounds bitter or negative or pissy, if you all had AOL (which I don't recomend) I would send it to you in pink text. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Clancy Subject: (mobility) more bits and pieces Date: 17 Sep 1998 03:11:08 -0400 Dan Cerman wrote: "Wow, that's a really impressive list, Keith! There's a lot on there that I don't have. Please tell us about this EIW Interview. Is it on CD? If so, I'd appreciate any & all information you can give about it for use in the discography, such as its catalog number, track list (questions), etc. I've been wondering for a long time whether there was an EIW interview disc (I have the AR Interview)." I just ordered this so dont have any info yet but will send it as soon as I get it. Also I real am surprised that anyone is having problems with Replay records. Have dealt with them mutiple times before and had no problems before (usually got my stuff with in 5 days after I ordered it and I live a little outside of NYC). I thought they only do 12"s? Also Steve, great collection. Please get your record player hooked up because I would love to trade tapes of some of that great rare vinyl. Later all, Keith Now Playing - Tori Amos- Raspberry Swirl(scarlet spectrum mix) great ambient take on this kick ass Tori song, though I really wished this was on vinyl so I could slow it down and add a dub line from the other deck. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Volker Kleffmann Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:46:35 +0200 Any german ones out there? -- Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen, i.A. Volker Kleffmann FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH --- E-Mail: volker@factum-gmbh.de Internet: http://www.factum-gmbh.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rice" Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 17 Sep 1998 02:53:41 -0600 Dunno if I'm too late to throw my 2 cents in on this topic, but... I doubt it would ever work, but if I could select someone for Moby to collaborate with, I'd go with Jello Biafra or Chuck D, my 2 other favorites... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rice" Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 17 Sep 1998 02:48:18 -0600 Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because of Moby? I haven't given up animal products entirely, yet. I'm gradually cutting meat and dairy products out of my diet, as well as reducing my purchases of leather products and the like. I suppose I could go cold turkey, but I'm afraid I'd totally lapse and give up if I did. I would give Moby some credit for being influential in my decision to do so, however, there have been many other factors in my decision to go this way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:12:40 +0100 (British Summer Time) Your sentiments appreciated. I agree with you about killing something painlessly for food. Sometimes it's necessary for people to eat meat, especially if you're an eskimo - not much plant matter to live off where they live, is there? The point is though that our artificial ways of farming, i.e. intensive and factory farming are appalling! The animals have miserable lives - few have the luxury of open fields and pastures - well that's the case in Europe anyway. They're pumped full of antibiotics, drugs and hormones to help prevent disease (being in such cramped conditions) and to artificailly make them grow faster. It can't be much fun, for something that feels pain and has certain emotions. The resulting meat can't be much good for the consumer, or the environment either! I can't afford free range/organic meat because it's so bloody expensive - I'm a poverty-stricken student, but anyway I'm quite happy not to eat meat - I don't have to buy something that contributes to mass butchery, but I can't say I'd never eat meat if I ever went to certain parts of the world where the animals were brought up 'humanely' and killed painlessly!? I also think it becomes more important when human lives are threatened because of intensive livestock production. For example, rainforests cleared for cattle grazing, to produce more meat for over-eating Western capitalists, encroaching on tribal people's homes and causing mass murder! I can think of numerous fast-food companies responsible for that, but let's not concern ourselves with that - it's half-way across the globe and doesn't affect us! It's far easier to sit on our arses and stuff our faces without thinking what we're contributing to by buying a nicely packaged piece of rump steak. Good stuff people. TMB On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:42:51 EDT Spydercorp@aol.com wrote: > The reason I didn't want to talk about this subject is not because anyones > feelings would get hurt. If you feel abused or neglected or whatever because > of email, well then you have big issues than what to eat for dinner. I didn't > want to talk about it because our mailboxes get flooded - and the emails are > much longer than normal. IT can be good, but I don't see it with this topic > that cannot get solved. Animals are made of meat, and so are humans. > Unfortunatly, they are always out of human when I go to the butcher. I guess I > have to wake up earlier. And I'll tell you what. Say you were living your > whole life to one day be the first person on MARS. you knew you would never > come back because you were going to die after a day there. But that was your > only purpose. To send back video footage. Whatever. Those live their life just > to get fed to us. They don't have a bad life, the sit and eat good food. I > don't know how they die, but there are plenty of ways to kill them that are > not painfull at all. It doesn't matter if they want to or not. It isn't like > Bessy was going to find the cure for Mad Cow Desease or something. They serve > their purpose. If their treatment is the issue, I hope none of you vegetarians > have dogs. Maybe you should go out to a puppy mill one day. Anyway, I am going > up for a ham sandwich. Oh yea, ou are right that this has more relevance to > anything than Ken Starr. If those damn republicans would just mind their own > business. And about God creating animals with meat, I don't believe in God, so > that is not my basis for that either. And finally, I just wanted to say that > Steve and the new/old guy have got more Moby that Moby knows about and that is > so awesome, but you should now look back at everything and calculate how much > you payed for it. Later. > AJ > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: (mobility) Re: nothing Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:29:10 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:29:24 +0000 clay wrote: > I'M quite sure god doesn't want you to fuck anyone........ever. > > Sure He does - He created us to have sex didn't He? But like sensibly, maybe!? Don't ask me what that means! > > > clay > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:35:52 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:41:08 +0000 clay wrote: > > Generally, Moby followers aren't dumb enough to just follow things blindly > > unlike SOME people *coughSPICEGIRLSFANScough* (jen sez ditto). peace. > > > Yesterday ginger was trying to be Princess Diana - selling her really stylish, quality outfits - the money was going to charity though....God, I'm so bitchy! > > > clay > peace please > exactly > > > we're all braggers steve and accusers > glad you're a-okay financially > I wish I was, but I can't complain, too much. There's a pretty bad famine in S. Sudan I hear. TMB ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) Oh,man! Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:43:05 +0100 (British Summer Time) All I can say is - my sentiments exactly. I hope more e-mails like this clog up the system! Thanks. TMB On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:46:01 -0600 krwilson wrote: > Oh,man! i just got done reading all of those responses to thanks 2 and > flesh.................................................hmmmmmm............... > ..........most of you surprised me with your open-mindedness on a subject I > usually get brow-beaten on. I don't think i'll talk about this anymore. I > realize now that people are able to rationalize any behavior, no matter how > cruel. Cows are kept in cages barely big enough to hold them-let alone > move around. People who work in "livestock production"(VERY pc name for > this barbary) do cruel and unusual things to the poor animals that would > make you sick. I have read books on the subject and have heard stories > about this. People throw live baby chickens into meat grinders to feed the > other animals. One of my friends knew a guy who worked at a > slaughterhouse, and he said some of the guys would take perverse pleasure > in torturing the animals before finally killing them. If you pay for meat, > you directly support animal cruelty of the most atrocious kind. I say > don't pay for something if you don't believe in it. As for having to get > new friends etc., will power is created out of thin air--you can do > anything you want if you decide it is right. > > > As for people who think this topic has gotten too far away from Moby, I > would bet anything he would be more impressed with our discussions on moral > issues than he ever could be by listing hard-to-find moby tracks. I have > nothing against anything posted here, but i like to get into deep matters > from time to time. As i said, this is my final word on the subject. I > hope it at least got one person thinking................. > > > > > On the subject of thanks 2, I was very encouraged by the enthusiasm for the > idea. Maybe if I(and possibly some one else) can do the whole DAT thing, > and ryu can do the cd/copyright thing, and we all do some tracks, we could > do one every year. I'm sure a few people who did the first one are smiling > saying "Just try one and see if you ever want to do it again", but you > people don't know how much i love producing, writing, anything to do with > music. It's not all fun, but I love a challenge. Lets keep kickin' around > ideas. > > > Sorry for the heavy content, but a good dose of the truth only hurts you if > you let it. > > > > > MO > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) Oh,man! Date: 17 Sep 1998 10:43:05 +0100 (British Summer Time) All I can say is - my sentiments exactly. I hope more e-mails like this clog up the system! Thanks. TMB On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:46:01 -0600 krwilson wrote: > Oh,man! i just got done reading all of those responses to thanks 2 and > flesh.................................................hmmmmmm............... > ..........most of you surprised me with your open-mindedness on a subject I > usually get brow-beaten on. I don't think i'll talk about this anymore. I > realize now that people are able to rationalize any behavior, no matter how > cruel. Cows are kept in cages barely big enough to hold them-let alone > move around. People who work in "livestock production"(VERY pc name for > this barbary) do cruel and unusual things to the poor animals that would > make you sick. I have read books on the subject and have heard stories > about this. People throw live baby chickens into meat grinders to feed the > other animals. One of my friends knew a guy who worked at a > slaughterhouse, and he said some of the guys would take perverse pleasure > in torturing the animals before finally killing them. If you pay for meat, > you directly support animal cruelty of the most atrocious kind. I say > don't pay for something if you don't believe in it. As for having to get > new friends etc., will power is created out of thin air--you can do > anything you want if you decide it is right. > > > As for people who think this topic has gotten too far away from Moby, I > would bet anything he would be more impressed with our discussions on moral > issues than he ever could be by listing hard-to-find moby tracks. I have > nothing against anything posted here, but i like to get into deep matters > from time to time. As i said, this is my final word on the subject. I > hope it at least got one person thinking................. > > > > > On the subject of thanks 2, I was very encouraged by the enthusiasm for the > idea. Maybe if I(and possibly some one else) can do the whole DAT thing, > and ryu can do the cd/copyright thing, and we all do some tracks, we could > do one every year. I'm sure a few people who did the first one are smiling > saying "Just try one and see if you ever want to do it again", but you > people don't know how much i love producing, writing, anything to do with > music. It's not all fun, but I love a challenge. Lets keep kickin' around > ideas. > > > Sorry for the heavy content, but a good dose of the truth only hurts you if > you let it. > > > > > MO > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) Situation out of control Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:01:01 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:39:31 -0700 Shane Snyder/SantaAna/IM-US/Ingram wrote: > > I discovered Moby right after making the change in my diet and thought it > was a neat coincidence. However, I completely disagree with him on the > reasons for being vegetarian. It is not cruel to eat animals. They are a > natural resource of the earth, the same as plants, water, soil, oil, > minerals, etc. etc. etc. God gave them to us as a gift, to serve whatever > purposes we find for them, whether it be entertainment, transportation, > protection, clothing, or even food. > > Yes, but at the time the Bible was written there wasn't artificial ways of farming, drugs and hormones being pumped into the animals we eat, people being murdered to make room for cattle grazing, etc. > > am familiar with. And, the truth is that we are supporting this by eating > meat. However, we buy shoes, wear clothes, have pets, and go fishing. There > is > just as bad if not worse treatment in those industries - Nike - Gifford - > Puppy Mills - Dolphins. And 2 of them deal with humans. My feeling is that > if > you want to believe in it, then do it. You can't go halfway. If you are a > vegetarian with leather boots or wallet or anything along those lines, that > is > pure hipocracy. If you are against polution, don't drive a car or at least > > Granted, this is hypocrisy, but then you've got to prioritise. Doing something is better than doing nothing! Buying leather shoes that might last a lifetime is better than buying meat more than once a week. Life and freedom from cruelty is probably more important then the pollution caused by driving a car. It's impossible to be perfect, but to give up and say 'fuck it, I'll do whatever I want because everything is wrong' can't be right! TMB > > > > > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:18:01 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:53:41 -0600 Michael Rice wrote: > Dunno if I'm too late to throw my 2 cents in on this topic, but... > > I doubt it would ever work, but if I could select someone for Moby to > collaborate with, I'd go with Jello Biafra or Chuck D, my 2 other > favorites... > > > Oh, yes! I didn't think of that. Collaboration with Jello Biafra would be tops. > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) Fish flesh and compassion Date: 17 Sep 1998 11:55:58 +0100 (British Summer Time) I can kind of understand where you're coming from, because I wouldn't object to eating 'organic meat'(if I had to), I was sure belonged to an animal that was given a good life and a painless death. Fish is a bit more of a sticky issue for me. I don't eat tuna because I can't be sure there's bits of dolphin in there as well! I must be honest and say I value the life of mammals (especially intelligent, emotional animals like dolphins) above other animals such as fish, but still I don't like to eat them and be responsible for their death, when I don't have to eat them to live. My philosophy is eat to live, not live to eat! There's also a problem with over-fishing in many parts of the world and no one seems to be doing anything about it, so I don't like to contribute to this. I believe in God and his love and compassion for all living things and respect certain Christians I know, but the ones that really get on my tits are the ones that preach love and compassion and then think it's okay to go out abusing animals. Surely that is one root of evil. I believe, like Francis of Assissi, that if you show compassion to God's creatures, it's likely you'll show compassion to your fellow human beings. TMB On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Freak wrote: > Hi again. i guess I should check all my messages first before replying to > some. sorry to ask AGAIN about the soundtrack...I didn't know others have > asked so please ignore it...sorry for the extra mail. Ok...now, I do hate > to admit it...but I did become a vegetarian about two years ago, mostly > under Moby's influence. I don't like to admit it because it makes me feel > like a follower...but however, it was my decision to make...he was just a > big influence...AND I'm also kind of a cheater. I'm what they call a > pesco-vegetarian....i eat fish...I can't help it I'm a sucker for sushi. > I'm curious to know the answer to this question myself. > > later, > > danielle > > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, krwilson wrote: > > > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because > > of Moby? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many have considered? > > > > > > > > > > Scoffed? > > > > > > > > > > > > MO > > > > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 17 Sep 1998 03:50:51 -0700 I will try to work on something to contribute to the compilation, may take me some time with my busy schedule though, I'd like to know how many people we have total that could contribute a track and when we should make the deadline... paul Ryu wrote: > > At 05:17 PM 9/15/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I'm going to be purchasing a DAT recorder in the next month or sooner, and > >i also have a sequencer/workstation/mixer and a cd recorder. If everyone > >sent me songs in DAT or cd(i know, i know--everyone doesn't have a cd > >recorder), I could do the actual mixing,etc. but I don't know nuthin' 'bout > >that there copywritin' and such. > > if we get as much cooperation on this as we did the first one, i'd > very much love to release it on my online label. > > i get a decent number of hits a day, and my label's stuff gets played > on several college stations accross the country (and globe). > > i don't really deal with copyrights, but for this, i'd make an exception and > have all the credit go to moby first, then to each artist secondly. > no money is to be made as sho records is non-profit. > each cd would sell for $5. > but it's a great way to get the music heard. > > if you'd like to master it to dat, that's cool. > i can take over the job after that of mass producting them > on cdR. > > i'd like to make a second tribute....i think it's time. > > feedback anyone? > > bye, > ryu > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 17 Sep 1998 05:05:12 -0700 UHF@aol.com wrote: > > does anyone know where i can get honey mp3's? 209.0.16.30 login:dr_kill pwd:604-420 there's my ftp info- not much Honey stuff up there yet- just a few unreleased versions in the low-quality section... We are trying to compile a collection of rare, live, b-side, remix, and other non-album Moby tracks...if you have anything to contribute please let me know! Have fun brosing some of the other sections on the FTP too, there's lots of live Underworld stuff and the lastest Autechre album just to mention a few... paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 17 Sep 1998 05:27:18 -0700 Damien: If you could, please delete this from the mobility archive, this message was not meant to go to the whole list... but now you all have read it anyway- email me privately to discuss anything else please. This site info was not meant to be public, but I would like to hear from more list members about thier ideas on this collection of rare material and what you think of it. Sorry for the private post going to the whole list! paul Dr. Killpatient wrote: > > UHF@aol.com wrote: > > > > does anyone know where i can get honey mp3's? > 209.0.16.30 login:dr_kill pwd:604-420 > > there's my ftp info- > not much Honey stuff up there yet- > just a few unreleased versions in the low-quality section... > > We are trying to compile a collection of rare, live, b-side, > remix, and other non-album Moby tracks...if you have anything > to contribute please let me know! > > Have fun brosing some of the other sections on the FTP too, > there's lots of live Underworld stuff and the lastest Autechre album > just to mention a few... > paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:11:52 -0400 Actually, they all suck. I order stuff. -Steve >>>>>>>. steve, do you know any stores here in chicago that have a lot of moby. if you do, either post or private please. thanks drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:24:08 -0400 At 03:50 AM 9/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >I will try to work on something to contribute to the compilation, >may take me some time with my busy schedule though, >I'd like to know how many people we have total that could contribute >a track and when we should make the deadline... >paul who is going to coordinate this again? i mean, who will be recieving the master tapes or cds from each artist and putting it all together? i missed the last couple days of email, so i don't know what's up.... count me in for a track for sure! i'd like to do a cover of "someone to love". -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 17 Sep 1998 08:49:20 -0500 I will contribute at least one track to the cd! and good luck to whoever is attempting to undertake this project! andy gingerbread man -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 5:51 AM I'd like to know how many people we have total that could contribute a track and when we should make the deadline... paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Kilduff" Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #222 Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:09:54 -0500 9/17/98 RE>mobility-digest V1 #222 9:05 AM You can't go halfway. If you are a vegetarian with leather boots or wallet or anything along those lines, that is pure hipocracy. you bring up a point that i hear very often with respect to being vegetarian. obviously being able to live without using any animal products is the ideal situation, but how many people ever get to reach an ideal state of anything in their lifetimes? very few i think. ideals are what you strive towards and thinking that you won't ever get there is no reason to not try at all. i'd hate to think that anyone who understood the rational behind animal-friendly living wouldn't bother to do anything about it because they couldn't be perfect at it. a little compassion is better than none. it's about evolution and that doesn't happen everynight. peace. ps- most of the people i know with pets rescue them from animal shelters where they'd otherwise be put to sleep, not puppy mills/catteries. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: urreax6c@juno.com (urreax6c aka yesti) Subject: Re: (mobility) remove from list Date: 16 Sep 1998 21:28:03 -1000 write to majordomo@lists.xmission.com and very politely type in that you would like to unsubscribe and 8 reasons why you think the world would be a better place because of it. or just unsubscribe mobility will suffice. :) On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:02:14 -0700 Bonnie Williams writes: >Hey....how do you get removed from this list??? >I can't keep up anymore > > *** This message was caught in a filter and therefor delayed. > *** The original request has been taken care of but this email > *** made me laugh so I had to forward it anyways. Cheers! > *** Questions? Contact owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) where to get it Date: 17 Sep 1998 15:18:45 -0400 Here's some more places to buy Moby stuff. The Isolation Tank http://www.isotank.com/main.html Both Honey CDs, decent selection of import singles, AR/LI, most albums (US vendor) They have 1 double comp w/ Moby, who has the scoop? What song? http://www.middlepillar.com/ Heavenly Grooves 2 CD $20.00 A very Portishead / Bjork influenced sampler with Mine, Ladybird, Voyager, Moby, Locust, Swandive, Faust IV, and more. Cool laid back groove cuts with female vox. http://www.x-radio.com They have Mixmag w/ Sven Vath/Moby on CD, no other Moby here. http://www.jjrecords.com -----located in Belgium james bond theme cdm/12""" animal rights everything is wrong everything is wrong-mixed 2cd i like to score james bond theme: moby's re-version cdm/12" james bondtheme cdm/12" that's whan i reach for my revolver cdm that's when i reach for my revolver cdm remix dog heaven 12"/cdm the end of everything I think I listed this one before... http://thebeatmuseum.ramjam.co.uk/index.htm Fierce Ruling Diva "You Gotta Beleive" Fortran 5 "Heart On The Line Moby "ATINITBL/Morning Dove" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D Bergstrom" Subject: (mobility) Spice Girls & Joe's Apartment Date: 17 Sep 1998 16:40:04 -0400 > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:41:08 +0000 > From: clay > Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh > > > Generally, Moby followers aren't dumb enough to just follow things blindly > > unlike SOME people *coughSPICEGIRLSFANScough* (jen sez ditto). peace. > > > > ...........actually.....moby says he likes the spice girls.....cough > peace Actually the spice girls comment I made was sorta tongue in cheek. I know Moby is a spice girls fan. I went and heard him do a talk for Canadian Music Week here in Toronto and he mentioned something about them. They're not THAT bad, but still they really irk me. So do their fans. Little 11 year olds should not be running around dressed like glorified hookers. but that's just my opinion. They whole teeny bopper mentality is pretty sad. "I'm going to be an individual just like everyone else". eek! Nevermind. I'll shut up about all this now. On a side note if anyone is up for some good reading on veganism, check out "VEGAN: the new ethics of eating" by Erik Marcus. Very informative. Now, on to something that actually has to do with Moby. I finally rented a copy of Joe's Apartment to see Moby's cameo. What the heck was he thinking??? Such a BAAAAAD movie. Does anyone know who convinced him to do the cameo? Anything behind his appearance or was it just cause it seemed like a cool idea at the time? Anyone? I'm just curious... I'm sure you guys have talked about this before. But dont mind me... I'm new! *blush* PLUR. -Kelly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Spice Girls & Joe's Apartment Date: 17 Sep 1998 16:55:53 EDT I thought the movie sucked, and I couldn't figure out why he did it except that it was done by MTV and maybe he wanted to get airplay? I don't know but it is cool to do a cameo even if the movie is Joe's Apartment. And, I like the Spice Girls, I just don't like the reject spice girl who though she could do it on her own. Later. AJ In a message dated 9/17/98 8:50:25 PM, bergstrom@globalserve.net writes: <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:09:59 EDT thaks a lot paul, i really apreciate it drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) finally honey (& more NEW Moby mixes for another artist?!?) Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:10:51 EDT whoops, sorry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) secret sounds Date: 17 Sep 1998 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) sorry this is a few digests ago but someone mentioned secret sounds as a place to buy stuff? thats a world famous record place right here in connecticut! why dave grohl even wears a ss t shirt on the cover of nirvana's live album! my dad has a gift certificate for there. i dont think hed give it up tho, so dont ask. well well, that's interesting...bye == "Where's Maggie? Where's Maggie? I'm not kidding, I can't see, my retinas have detached again!"--Grampa Simpson >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plovious@juno.com (Michaela S Gerstner) Subject: (mobility) Re: nothing Date: 17 Sep 1998 15:37:59 -0700 ok.. now i feel like a shmuck because i haven't even bought that loom yet for the bracelets. i've been too busy with work and school and car repairs to even try to do another thing. maybe this weekend, i hope. i will get it, i promise... even if i have to crawl down there. just kidding. i would have gotten it last payday, but i had to pay my parents the difference they covered to get the carburetor rebuilt in my car and get the oil changed, etc... and go to work, so i never got a chance to go down there and get the loom. but enough excuses, right? oops.. i'm apologizing again, aren't i? i bet you're pissed now. SORRY! :) now... i think this list is getting out of control again. i remember the religion controversy, and now there's this one. granted, i like getting all this mail because i feel special- but it says the same crap over & over again. ::sigh!:: i wonder if damian is going to step in or if this will continue. babble babble babble... blah blah blah! anyways, i'll apologize a zillion times again because i really do feel bad about this. sometimes i wish i had a twin to go to school for me and such. and, college ain't exactly an easy life, especially when you have to get a research paper done in a week! ARG!!!! so..... enough rambling. gotta go and study and try to think of something for that damn research paper... one that i don't have to think about. but first, gotta watch the simpsons!! hee hee! michaela _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) Spice Girls & Joe's Apartment Date: 17 Sep 1998 19:18:04 -0500 moby's friend was the director of Joe's Apartment and he talked Moby into doing it. moby said it was an appearance "under duress". he also then said "that musicians make bad actors and actors make bad musicians. just look at mark wahlberg..." now i don't know exactly what part of that statement was directed at mr. marky mark, but in any case.... -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:40 PM Now, on to something that actually has to do with Moby. I finally rented a copy of Joe's Apartment to see Moby's cameo. What the heck was he thinking??? Such a BAAAAAD movie. Does anyone know who convinced him to do the cameo? Anything behind his appearance or was it just cause it seemed like a cool idea at the time? Anyone? I'm just curious... I'm sure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "4 Wilsons" <4wilsons@shaw.wave.ca> Subject: (mobility) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:35:55 -0400 Date: 17 Sep 1998 19:35:54 -0600 Hi everyone.. If any of you have seen the music video Moby did of the James Bond theme, I'm sure you'll have noticed the funny expressions moby is wearing on his face, escpecially when he runs in front of the fountain.. It makes me crack up every time I see it..Is there any meaning behind this, or is it more or less Moby having a fun time? Jennafur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: (mobility) Hip Hop? Date: 17 Sep 1998 22:34:46 -0500 Hello all, first I have to apologize for kind of bad mouthing Replay Records. They finally came through for me and charged me less than 12 dolalrs for both Honey's +s/h from the UK. They are pretty cool and I will probably buy from them in the future, so everyone should patronize them. Anway, I got both Honey singles yesterday and I have to admit it is not what I expected. On many occassions and descriptions of Honey, people have categorized it has having aspects of "Hip-Hop". By no means do I consider myself a critic or musical genius or anything, but what aspects were "Hip-hop"? NONE!!! In my opinion the song exhibited characteristics of Blues(the guitar riff), Rythme, and Soul(Bessie Jone's voice sample) and of course the traditional moby techno beat and in the transtions ambient synth. Maybe I have a misconception of "hiphop". I usually thing of so called artists like Puffy and B.I.G. when I hear that word, late 90s rap music. But this represents, to me at least, a frightening trend in music today. That is, vaguely categorizing all black music as "hip-hop". Before the 90s and even in the early 90s black music was easily, if still generally categorized into rap, soul, blues, rythme, etc.... but in today's market, I only hear the term "hip-hop" for any current artist. This label is even applied to "old-school" rap. WHY?!?!?! I realize that music, especially individual artists and tracks should not be compartmentalized into rigid categories, but why are generalities becoming more and more general? True black music before the 90s was rich, alive, soul, blues, jazz, REAL black music. In my opinion this represents the sad state of music today, particularly black music. The meaning of and sound of good music, inspiring, original music is being lost to the almighty dollar. But the studios aren't to blame. It is the mentality of the American public that comsumes this tripe passing for music. From catchy bubble tunes of the Spice Girls and Hanson to the monotonous guitar rock of 3rd eye blind and such. "modern music" is intellectually and emotionally bankrupt. Radio has lost its independence and feel for "what the public wants" Play lists are created by what marketers believe will keep the listeners tuned past the all too often and equally devoid commercials. Instead of finding a station that plays decent music(mostly because they are all the same) or putting in a good moby CD people remain ignorant of really good music mostly because they don't make the effort to judge and search out good music. What are the consequences? Most bands fall into the trap of the one hit wonder genre. Those who don't are so scared of becoming part of that genre that they churn out essentially similar sounding tracks so as to keep the record sales going(this not only demonstrates that these "artists" have no sense of creative originality, but also no talent period). Instead of a track becoming a timeless classic it's life span is reduced to about 3 months or less. People's favorite band or favorite song of all time changes as the billboard charts change. No individual is truly appreciated for their talent or abilties. The music industry becomes one based purly on profit and nothing else. The "public" is robbed and stupifed by mainstream music and never develop the critical mind and ear for better music. This is why Moby is not more main stream than he should be. This is why entire genres are ignored altogether by moshing morons and dance club dunces. What is wrong with this country? Music no longer becomes true, black, white, or otherwise when the intended audience is created to merely sell records, not to sell the actual music. REAL black music is Fats Domino, Louis Armstrong, BB King and the like. Hard core gansta rap is no longer truthful when it comes out of the mouths of millionaire billboard artists that have never picked up a gun or had a hard day in their life. Black music is no longer black music when 99% of its listeners are white. Music is no longer music when it has been perferted and prostituted to the almighty dollar. Artists should be rewarded based on their talent not their abilty to sell records. My two cents. Please refrain from the term "Hip-Hop" when describing Honey i'm interested in hearing peoples responses on this issue. _________________________________________________________ The resistance to a new idea increases by the square of its importance -Be rtrand Russell I have a distain for authority but a passion for justice -Ch ris Bourke cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu screwtape@tcgcs.com cbourke@cse.unl.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:51:26 -0400 i'd be happy to take the responsibility with this project if no one else wants it. haven't heard from anyone telling me that they wanted to do it. i can accept all masters and compile them and then master the compilation on cdr. but i'm not especially proficient at making artwork. if someone would like to do the artwork, and send me the master copies of it, i can make kinkos of it and put it all together. i suppose what i need to know first who all is interested in contributing, and which tracks each person would like to do....remixes, covers, etc... it would be best to mail me PERSONALLY with what you'd like to do, and once everything gets straightened out, i'll mail the list with a "who's doing what" message so that everyone can start salivating early. deadlines.... shall we make this a christmas present for moby again? like last years? why not say the beginning of the second week of november for a due date for now. that's november 9th. does that give everyone enuff time? that will leave 3+ weeks to get it all together and ready to give to moby and to start selling to the public by christmas. oh yeah, i can do a cdr with b/w insert for $5 including shipping. that is how much it costs me to make. i use QUALITY cdrs designed for pro audio applications. for color inserts, it would cost $7 including shipping. we can decide on color or b/w later i think. also, i would like to make it available to everyone, whether they are on the list or not. i'd advertise it on my web site so that anyone can order a copy. does that pose a problem for anyone? again, i don't want to rob anyone who has already spoken of this project. i hadn't heard anyone say they wanted the responsibility, so that's why i spoke up. i'm open and flexible to anything anyoen has to say. i'm just giving some of my ideas so far....we can work it out together. so give me feedback as to who's interested and so forth... thanks, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) Hip Hop? Date: 17 Sep 1998 23:19:08 CDT I agree. Pretty bland statement by me, yes, but I think you've just about got it right. Music is about money anymore, and the artists and bands that have real talent are stuck in the void of being "gimmickless", and therefore labeled as unable to sell. Occasionally, real talented bands breakthrough, but most never become real big. Anymore, most bands are one-hit wonders, and that's sad, because most good bands don't even rise to that because they are relatively unknown. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) Hip Hop? Date: 17 Sep 1998 22:19:11 +0000 HEY CHRIS thanks for telling us what reallllll black music is>>>>>>> you are so right and yet so wrong. and thanks for suggesting that hard-working....if not misled.... artists shouldn't take a stab at the machine just like any other accountant, pornographer, lawyer, or pharmacist. hey......we all suck....they all suck...... and you know what? part of moby is pure hip hop just as part of him is pure punk and part of him is pure hymn............ just let it be and let the music speak for itself. clay evolution2000 > REAL black music is Fats Domino, > Louis Armstrong, BB King and the like. Hard core gansta rap is no longer > truthful when it comes out of the mouths of millionaire billboard artists > that have never picked up a gun or had a hard day in their life. Black > music is no longer black music when 99% of its listeners are white. Music > is no longer music when it has been perferted and prostituted to the > almighty dollar. Artists should be rewarded based on their talent not their > abilty to sell records. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: (mobility) I'll Second that Motion (was: THANKS 2) Date: 18 Sep 1998 00:59:36 -0500 RYU, If you want to head up the manufacturing and distribution of the second project, I say that's a good idea. You've self-released two quality projects and know how to do it in a well-organized fashion. I wouldn't mind helping with the art. I want to contribute in some way, be it a new edit or mix as tribute or finding some funked up image to put on the front and helping with the typesetting. I also vote for color art. US buyers can have the cd delivered $1 less than the first, and have something that looks as good or better. You might also want to talk to Gingerbread Man about licensing the first Thanks cd to SHO records for distribution since probably more people want to buy copies now than were able to buy it in its first run. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 00:59:48 -0500 Just to let you know, I've got some nifty plans for THANKS II. First is a new edit called Oil 1+2=3, that combines Oil 1 from the Saint with Oil 2 from the outtakes cassette. This will be a true test of my editing skills. I'm also working on a kind of recreation of C3Bells from MixMag2 by taking Myopia from Ambient and layering on an 808 kick and the drum loop from the ETYTM samples, much the way Moby did it, except mine will be full minute longer and not mixed with a song after it. But first I have to get the loop timed correctly. I don't think the BPM listings I pulled of the internet are correct. The loop comes a hair slow when pitch it down to what the COD says Myopia is. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, though. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: (mobility) Re: nothing Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:29:46 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:37:59 -0700 Michaela S Gerstner wrote: > > > now... i think this list is getting out of control again. i remember the > religion controversy, and now there's this one. granted, i like getting > all this mail because i feel special- but it says the same crap over & > over again. ::sigh!:: i wonder if damian is going to step in or if this > will continue. babble babble babble... blah blah blah! > > michaela > I don't know Michaela, maybe we've typed the same old crap over and over again before we got onto this subject!? This is the first time we've really got into it (since I've been on the list and I'm sure many people now wish I wasn't!), but I don't think it's as crap as what's usually talked about, but then I would say that and piss everyone else off! TMB > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T4dpolE@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 04:51:48 EDT In a message dated 98-09-17 23:52:14 EDT, RYU write: << if someone would like to do the artwork, and send me the master copies of it, i can make kinkos of it and put it all together. >> i'm an art freak i'd be more then glad to do the inserts tor the cd. danm... i just read further. well. ummm.... if you have all you need it is understood, but if you'd like to see what i put out, gimme a title or name as well as anything you might like made into a logo(s). anything i can contribute, i would like to. is mp3 good enough for submits? if not, what is???? maybe i missed something. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 02:13:34 -0700 I think a good idea is too have a small web page with all the submitted artwork and have all the listees vote on the best art for the cover/insert. I think color is worth it, I vote for color. I vote that Ryu be in charge of the whole production, possibly having the CD mastered professionally would be a big plus too. If we have more submissions than we have room on the CD, we should have a web page with realaudio or mp3s of the songs and all the listees could vote on them to decide who gets on. Having it ready by christmas is realistic, having the final deadline be thankgiving. This of course depending on how many submissions there are by mid-november. I could make and host any of the web pages needed, and I encourage any of you who make elecronic music to participate in this! paul T4dpolE@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-09-17 23:52:14 EDT, RYU write: > > << if someone would like to do the artwork, > and send me the master copies of it, i can make kinkos of > it and put it all together. >> > > i'm an art freak > i'd be more then glad to do the inserts tor the cd. > > danm... > i just read further. > well. ummm.... > if you have all you need it is understood, but if you'd like to see what i put > out, gimme a title or name as well as anything you might like made into a > logo(s). > > anything i can contribute, i would like to. > > is mp3 good enough for submits? > if not, what is???? maybe i missed something. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) I'll Second that Motion (was: THANKS 2) Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:09:27 -0400 >If you want to head up the manufacturing and distribution of the second >project, I say that's a good idea. You've self-released two quality projects >and know how to do it in a well-organized fashion. I wouldn't mind helping >with the art. I want to contribute in some way, be it a new edit or mix as >tribute or finding some funked up image to put on the front and helping with >the typesetting. I also vote for color art. US buyers can have the cd >delivered $1 less than the first, and have something that looks as good or >better. thanks brad...i think that color art would be best for this release too.... being it's a special occasion... >You might also want to talk to Gingerbread Man about licensing the first >Thanks cd to SHO records for distribution since probably more people want to >buy copies now than were able to buy it in its first run. we've talked before, and i'm fairly certain that andy would like to keep it as a limited release.... a rarity for those that have it. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:19:57 -0400 >i'm an art freak >i'd be more then glad to do the inserts tor the cd. > >danm... >i just read further. >well. ummm.... >if you have all you need it is understood, but if you'd like to see what i put >out, gimme a title or name as well as anything you might like made into a >logo(s). xaq did the last one, and did a good job too.... perhaps we should see if he wants to hand the job over to someone else or not. so, XAQ IF YOU'RE OUT THERE.....WHAT DO YA THINK? can you design all the artwork for the cd, sized for a jewel case insert, or are you more interested in doing a logo? >is mp3 good enough for submits? >if not, what is???? maybe i missed something. good question. and it brings up an important bit of info......i don't have a DAT player. so all digital mixes will have to be submitted on cd. unless someone else on the list does have a DAT and could go from DAT to cdR, and then send them the cdR to me. as far as mp3's go....i don't see a problem if that is the best format you have at your disposal. i like mp3s. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:29:16 -0400 At 02:13 AM 9/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >I think a good idea is too have a small web page with all >the submitted artwork and have all the listees vote on the >best art for the cover/insert. that's a good idea. but so far, we only have one person who definitely wants to do the artwork. anyone else out there? >I think color is worth it, I vote for color. color it shall be. i don't think that anyone would prefer b/w. >I vote that Ryu be in charge of the whole production, >possibly having the CD mastered professionally would be >a big plus too. we can do this, but it costs money. it is really only possible to get a decent deal if you are going to buy at least a 1000 copies of it. and i'm not sure we can sell 1000. even then, you're still talking spending 1000 bucks. it's just my opinion, but i like the idea of having the whole thing done by mobility list members...not involving anyone else in the production. what do the rest of you think? would you rather spend $10+ on a cd (and maybe have to pay in advance to get enuff money to cover the costs) that is professionally mastered and duplicated, or spend less and have it all done by us? >If we have more submissions than we have room on the CD, >we should have a web page with realaudio or mp3s of the songs >and all the listees could vote on them to decide who gets on. if we would have that large of a response, i think that's a great idea as well. i don't think that andy had to make any cuts with the first thanks cd, so i'm not sure if we'd have that problem or not. unless everyone would submit multiple entries. >Having it ready by christmas is realistic, having the final >deadline be thankgiving. This of course depending on how many >submissions there are by mid-november. true. >I could make and host any of the web pages needed, and I encourage >any of you who make elecronic music to participate in this! >paul would anyone else like to host all the info and submissions for the cd? if not, then it shall be yours. i'm sure you have adequate space. i'll be able to sell it from mine and put some info about it as well, but as far as voting and things go, i don't have the room....so it would need to be someone else's job. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Volker Kleffmann Subject: (mobility) Searching for multimedia reference projects... Date: 18 Sep 1998 15:40:59 +0200 Hey there! I'm a german "internet artist" and looking for some interesting projects = on the web to be done for my multimedia college as a reference project. So, if you a= re looking for someone who design your project just contact me via email! -- Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen, i.A. Volker Kleffmann , cordoba Webdesign. E-Mail: kleffmann@gmx.net Internet: http://www.tobit.net/~cordoba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Jenssen" Subject: (mobility) Me Date: 18 Sep 1998 07:14:25 PDT * Name Jon Jenssen * Age 17 * What is in your Moby collection Albums: Moby, Everything Is Wrong, Everything Is Wrong DJ Mix Album Singles: Feeling So Real, James Bond Theme (Mobys Re-Version) * Where you first heard Moby, and how much of a fan you are Probably Go some years ago, don't ask me when. I'm not the biggest fan in the world, I suppose. * Other artists you like The Prodigy, The Chemical Brothers, Apollo 440, Underworld, Orbital, Leftfield, Fatboy Slim, Antiloop, Josh Wink, CJ Bolland etc... * Any other interesting information you wish to share Nah. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T4dpolE@aol.com Subject: Re:THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:31:08 EDT In a message dated 98-09-18 09:19:58 EDT, RYU write: << can you design all the artwork for the cd, sized for a jewel case insert, or are you more interested in doing a logo? >> yes, i can do all the artwork sized correctly, i'm used to doing it for cd's i ruined inserts for. i'm interested in doing anything i can for this. <<> i like the webpage idea as well. if i was to do it i would like opinions and would definately lay out more than one version to choose from. of course other peoples submits welcomed to it. i'd be willing to use an empty profile at tripod for it unless there are better ideas. hell, it'd even be neat if there was more then one version of the inserts for the cd. ------tommy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 09:39:07 -0500 >If we have more submissions than we have room on the CD, >we should have a web page with realaudio or mp3s of the songs >and all the listees could vote on them to decide who gets on. I really like this idea, 'cause it'll mean involving other mobility members who don't have the talents to take part in the project. Like me. I don't have any musical skills, and probably couldn't design a good cover, but think this is a neat idea and would like to help out. --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) I 2nd that 2nd and here have a scan Date: 18 Sep 1998 10:55:30 -0400 >>> BSC wrote: You might also want to talk to Gingerbread Man about licensing the first Thanks cd to SHO records for distribution since probably more people want to buy copies now than were able to buy it in its first run. <<< I third that motion! Andy, if you want it limited how about a 2nd run w/ different packaging to differentiate originals and repressings? I REALLY want it! I also agree that color art would be nice. I'm nowhere near where I want to be to contribute a track, but maybe I can help w/ artwork. Enter me in for voting. I went to delobbo's last night and we made some scans. He posted the info to mobility last night but it didn't get thru. The steve2.jpg is the closest to the original, so if somebody wants to co-op w/ me on a submission, feel free to alter it or filter it or modify for another cover submission. Just credit me. Here it is again: http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/jbtpromo.jpg http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/stopmotion.jpg http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/timesup.jpg http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/steve2.jpg http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/steve3.jpg http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/steve4.jpg http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/steve5.jpg Main index http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/ Regarding the essay on the poor state of music today, I agree that "mainstream radio" is corrupt and soulless. While I see this as one piece of evidence pointing that America's collective brain is rotting and everything is going to shit, it's also true that this has been said by every generation of the next during this century, so we are also part of that same collective. I think the kids are stupider, yes, but my parents thought the same about my generation and a few of us turned out OK. I guess we'll know all the answers when it all blows up. Hey plovious, I think we've worn out the issue and moved on. I think we have to accept that w/ new people joining this topic will recur. Just stay on the sidelines if ya don't want to play. I agree that the same territory is retread, but that's inevitable as everybody needs to say their opinion in thier own way once. I already have and I'm finished with the topic permanently, unless I have something worthwhile to offer alll the sudden. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) Ryu Date: 18 Sep 1998 11:01:22 -0500 I found this on addict.com under the section Scans. Is this about you Ryu? Ryu On Japanese Compilation The electronica band Ryu is among the artists included on the third Tower Records Japan compilation of up-and-coming Japanese electronica and techno bands, entitled Japanese Homegrown Beats. Joining Ryu on the compilation, which has been released on the Gianormous label, are DJ Krush and hip-hop band Audio Active, who have just finished remixing the Asian Dub Foundation single "Naxalite." [Fri., Sep 18, 1998 3:01 AM EDT] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "krwilson" Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 again Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:43:12 -0600 Hey! I started the whole thanks 2 thing!(it wasn't too hard) I didn't get a chance to check my e-mail yesterday, and now all this crazy stuff is happening1 cool! If Ryu wants to do everything, it's ok with me. I would love to do the DAT thing myself, but i don't know how much time I'm gonna have:( As far as your concern with the whole DAT-to-cdR thing, I DID MENTION THAT I AM GETTING A DAT RECORDER AND I HAVE A CD RECORDER ALREADY. I am musically oriented, so don't look to my klutz-ass hands for artwork. Professional production! What an insult! The only thing that separates a professional and me is the word! I'm currently shopping the U.S. labels i love for release of my debut, and you will all be surprised when it comes out. Musicians, like everyone else, come from everywhere. Just like me. MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 again Date: 18 Sep 1998 14:45:56 EDT I just wanted to say that I think we should set an official deadline right now and by the time that deadline hits, anyone who wants to add music or art just has to have it done by then. Now, I have made a CD before for a video I made. IT was the soundtrack - but when we made the inserts it was just a one fold pullout. I don't know how you guys do it, but I was wondering if we could make it a mult page insert and have writing and or more artwork that did not make the front of back cover. I have a feeling that more people will send in art submissions then ever dream of using. And finally, I was wondering if you guys have a CD printer or just the labels that you print and put on the CDs or nothing at all? Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) hello everybody.... does this cd have to be all techno? cuz mobys music aint all techno... could there be some lo-fi stuff on it? or some rock? or some polka? and about black music, and honey and all that, i think Honey is pure funk. like whoever posted that. i dont think it is hip hop at all. it is sort of soul/rnb tho. btw, does anyone know honey's chart rankings in the UK? or anywhere else? or any of moby's chart rankings for anything anywhere? i know Go and JBT were UK t10. and hes had a few dance hits here. but i dont no nothin else. and um what happened to Dream Analyzer? he was here when i first here...are you still on tha list? i was thinking, i just joined the list like a few days before the deadline for Thanks (the first one) i guess i was real lucky.. um....ah...do i have any more to say...oh yeah, does anyone have the tracklisting for Bill Laswell/Style Scott's cd "Dub Meltdown"? i tried to post that onto whitezone but i got no response. in fact, i havent gotten anything from them for a while. i didnt unsubscribe or nothing...weird. ill have to resubscribe then. oh well. oh yeah, i need the tracklisting for that. my friend gave me the cd but he doesnt have the tracklistings so i need them dammit! oh yes, i just went to amazon.com todya...its cool you can review any album in the store..i gave EIW a perfect 5 and said "YOU NEED THIS CD!!!" (you can all see it in 2 business days) and i gave Underworld's 2nd toughest 4 stars. i said it was good music to read fiction to...well it is, and that Rowla will pack any dance floor. don't know why, but thats my personal fave from that cd. and, um, under a lot of cds at amazon, it says what other cds people who bought these cds bought. so you can go from one cd to another all day long. its real cool. they dont have too much exciting moby stuff. but they do have like Ambient and Moby for like $12.99. so thats cool. so go there now it rules! okay bye. and remember.... == "HENS LOVE ROOSTERS GEESE LOVE GANDERS EVERYONE ELSE LOVES..........." >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Jenssen" Subject: (mobility) Move Date: 18 Sep 1998 12:04:32 PDT Hi! I just subscribed to this mailing list earlier today, and I sent a profile of myself to your archives. I just wondered if anybody is interested in selling me a copy of the old Moby single "Move" on CD, I think it's CDMUTE 158. I'm very unlikely to find it in the shops, as I live in Norway. Jon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) Hip Hop? Date: 18 Sep 1998 14:38:43 -0500 >HEY CHRIS > >thanks for telling us what reallllll black music is>>>>>>> >you are so right and yet so wrong. >and thanks for suggesting that hard-working....if not misled.... >artists shouldn't take a stab at the machine just like any other >accountant, pornographer, lawyer, or pharmacist. >hey......we all suck....they all suck...... >and you know what? part of moby is pure hip hop just as part of him >is pure punk and part of him is pure hymn............ >just let it be and let the music speak for itself. > > >clay >evolution2000 Looks like I hit a nerve with a Biggy fan, but oh well.... As I stated Before Clay, "I realize that music, especially individual artists and tracks should not be compartmentalized into rigid categories, but why are generalities becoming more and more general? True black music before the 90s was rich, alive, soul, blues, jazz, REAL black music." It is a dishonor to the decent black artists and musicians to blindly categorize all of them into "hip-hop". Just as it was a dishonor and misleading term to apply to moby and "Honey", especially when I hear absolutely no characteristics of what "hip hop" traditinally refers to. This trend is partly the blame of the black music industry. Labels like bad boy records or death row records don't represent an opportunity to truly good aspiring black musicians to get recognized for their talent. Instead they represent a perversion of the music so that it can be boxed and sold to white suburban kids, who have the expendable income to lay down on a few "urban" CDs, which are anything but. I appreciate and love moby for his diversity. His ability to take any genre of music and make it work with other aspects and genres. I don't think any part of him is "pure". An artist like him probably listens to tunes and disects them, determining which parts would sound good with other music that they have heard. I have never heard a song by moby that has been PURE hip hop, PURE dance, PURE techno, or PURE ambient. Moby's genre crossing is his idiosyncracy, and my reason for loving his music. His music speaks to me, his lyrics(albiet in rare tracks) speak to me. Puffy and Biggie and the like do not speak to me. They don't speak to anyone. Their fans are obsessed with getting the biggest sounding base out of their stereos and listening to the most profane and violent lyrics that are possible. Rap has become so esoteric and codified that no one can really understand their lyrics, even though in most instances they really aren't missing that much. Take for example Puffy's "All about the Benjamins". This song says it all, mixing anti-semetic lyrics with references to stealing, lying and cheating to get money. Why don't people realize that this is in fact a metaphor for the way puffy sells his records? He is lying to you, his lyrics and emotion of his songs are untruths put to a catchy bass beat so that you can ignore the words and continue to buy his albums. Now look at someone like Louis Armstrong. His lyrics and music are positive, balladic, REAL. What has happened to the face of music? Why is this considered acceptable music? Personally if I were black I would not choose as a musical icon puffy or anyone else that is in current popular black music today. They present neither a positive nor accurate portrayal of their culture or identity!!! > > > >> REAL black music is Fats Domino, >> Louis Armstrong, BB King and the like. Hard core gansta rap is no longer >> truthful when it comes out of the mouths of millionaire billboard artists >> that have never picked up a gun or had a hard day in their life. Black >> music is no longer black music when 99% of its listeners are white. Music >> is no longer music when it has been perferted and prostituted to the >> almighty dollar. Artists should be rewarded based on their talent not their >> abilty to sell records. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rice" Subject: Re: (mobility) Hip Hop? Date: 18 Sep 1998 14:25:52 -0600 In my opinion, the world of hip hop has really gone down hill, sort of like punk music... You really can't judge rap by Puffy and Biggie though...they really can't hold anything to Public Enemy, Run DMC, etc, or even to 2Pac, who actually did seem to have some talent and would occasionally put out a song that wasn't just worthless shit...To me, it would sort of be like judging punk music by Green Day and Offspring. just because punk's current incarnation sucks and is full of lyrics about smoking pot, masturbation and other inane topics doesn't mean that punk music as a whole has always sucked. For every Chuck D there will always be a Puff Daddy. For every Jello Biafra there will always be a Green Day. For every Nirvana that comes along, a Bush will follow. And yes, there are even weak, fake-ass derivatives of Moby out there. It unfortunately seems to be the nature of things... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 17:18:50 EDT i'm good for the art ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Jill Greenberg Date: 18 Sep 1998 18:35:43 -0400 Anybody recognize this name? She did the photography for Early Underground and something else as well. I found her graphic arts page on accident, and there's some weird Moby pictures as well as lots of other awesome music art stuff. Go there. http://www.thebluedot.com/greenberg/2/moby_bite.html http://www.thebluedot.com/greenberg/2/moby_twist.html I think this is the main page, not sure. http://www.thebluedot/greenberg/ Enjoy! Have a nice weekend, everybody. -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dan perry" Subject: Re: (mobility) Move Date: 18 Sep 1998 18:49:30 -0500 (CDT) "Jon Jenssen" wrote: > I just wondered if anybody is interested in selling me a copy of the > old Moby single "Move" on CD, I think it's CDMUTE 158. I'm very unlikely > to find it in the shops, as I live in Norway. first of all, unless you're out for the Mute cat# (which i admit, i buy stuff for it's cat#), you're better off with the US release of Move than the UK one. the US release has 6 tracks vs. the UK's 4. actually, this brings up a question i've had. can anyone tell me why record stores insist on selling move at an album price instead of a single price? granted, it's an "EP", but it's only 6 tracks, not 10. everywhere i go has it for 10$ or something when usual singles sell for 6$. i just don't get it. anyway, hopefully someone will be kind enough to pick you up a copy of move US or point out where you can get it online. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:32:29 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Simpson > does this cd have to be all techno? cuz mobys music aint all techno... > could there be some lo-fi stuff on it? or some rock? or some polka? > Hell no! Among my other ideas, I was also considering an acoustic "Love Hole" or getting my friend Amy Lee from the goth/emo band evanescence to sing over the instrumental version of "When It's Cold I'd Like to Die." Ack. Too many ideas. I've always though a ska version of ETYTM would be interesting. ;). By the way, I'm posting a lot of ideas I should probably keep to myself. Please don't anybody steal them. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: Re: (mobility) Move Date: 18 Sep 1998 22:44:01 -0700 can anyone tell me why > record stores insist on selling move at an album price instead of a > single price? granted, it's an "EP", but it's only 6 tracks, not 10. > everywhere i go has it for 10$ or something when usual singles sell for > 6$. i just don't get it. > I'm in Milwaukee, and I got the U.S. Move CD for about 6-8 dollars at=20 "Sam Goody" (which usually sells CDs for kind of expensive prices).=20 Anyway, I bought it a good 6 months ago. But if they still have it I can=20 pick it up for Jon (or others) I prefer trades though, so maybe you can=20 find me any Moby, anime soundtracks, or Bj=F6rk CDs, shirts ect. Bye. -Anthony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 23:39:15 -0400 >I really like this idea, 'cause it'll mean involving other mobility members >who don't have the talents to take part in the project. Like me. I don't >have any musical skills, and probably couldn't design a good cover, but >think this is a neat idea and would like to help out. good point. would anyone object to this idea? voting for best artwork and track selection? i think both are good ideas. the only downside i see is that there may not be a whole lot of material to pick from and also that it would take up alot of web space...that may not be a problem though. would someone be willing to house all the voting on one site? it would be easiest that way i think. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Ryu Date: 18 Sep 1998 23:41:23 -0400 NO! IT'S NOT ME!!! damn it. I WAS HOPING I'D BE THE FIRST TO GET KNOWN, BUT I GUESS I AM WRONG. unless it is me and nobody told me. i may be on a compilation and not know it, , , ,but i doubt it. i'll have to check this site out....did they give a track listing? thanks for the info.... i'm gonna look into this... -ryu (the 1st) At 11:01 AM 9/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >I found this on addict.com under the section Scans. >Is this about you Ryu? > > >Ryu On Japanese >Compilation >The electronica band Ryu is among >the artists included on the third >Tower Records Japan compilation of >up-and-coming Japanese electronica >and techno bands, entitled Japanese >Homegrown Beats. Joining Ryu on >the compilation, which has been >released on the Gianormous label, >are DJ Krush and hip-hop band >Audio Active, who have just >finished remixing the Asian Dub >Foundation single "Naxalite." >[Fri., Sep 18, 1998 3:01 AM EDT] > > > ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 again Date: 18 Sep 1998 23:45:09 -0400 >If Ryu wants to do everything, it's ok with me. i certainly don't want to do EVERYTHING...this will be a colaborative effort. i'd just like to release it on my label and distribute it. >I >would love to do the DAT thing myself, but i don't know how much time I'm >gonna have:( As far as your concern with the whole DAT-to-cdR thing, I >DID MENTION THAT I AM GETTING A DAT RECORDER AND I HAVE A CD RECORDER >ALREADY. would you be willing to help out if a few people can only submit in DAT? that would be wonderful of you if you could. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 19 Sep 1998 00:01:35 -0400 >does this cd have to be all techno? cuz mobys music aint all techno... >could there be some lo-fi stuff on it? or some rock? or some polka? nothing would make me happier rite now than to have a great multitude of musical styles on this compilation. what do the rest of you think? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Turpin Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 22:45:33 -0500 I'd be interested in doing the typography (lettering) for the CD inserts. -- C The C.O.D. John Turpin | O D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re:THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 19 Sep 1998 00:07:36 -0400 >i like the webpage idea as well. if i was to do it i would like opinions and >would definately lay out more than one version to choose from. of course >other peoples submits welcomed to it. i'd be willing to use an empty profile >at tripod for it unless there are better ideas. >hell, it'd even be neat if there was more then one version of the inserts for >the cd. the webpage idea will certainly be implemented... i think it would be best if the voting for the artwork was on teh same site as the voting for the music...or at least all the links were on the same site... as for different versions of artwork...i'm not so sure that is a good idea. it creates alot more work than is necessary i think. we should try to keep this as resonably simple as possible just to eliminate some headaches. what do the rest of you think? would you really want to see muliple versions of the artwork? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 18 Sep 1998 23:07:09 -0500 BRING ON THE HARDCORE-DEATH-METAL-POLKA-SKA-SPACEDOUT-NOISYASS-BEATBANGIN'-TRACKS! the more styles the better! andy gingerbread man -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 11:02 PM >does this cd have to be all techno? cuz mobys music aint all techno... >could there be some lo-fi stuff on it? or some rock? or some polka? nothing would make me happier rite now than to have a great multitude of musical styles on this compilation. what do the rest of you think? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 again Date: 19 Sep 1998 00:13:02 -0400 At 02:45 PM 9/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >I just wanted to say that I think we should set an official deadline right now >and by the time that deadline hits, anyone who wants to add music or art just >has to have it done by then. the deadline to have all submissions in is thanksgiving day. >Now, I have made a CD before for a video I made. >IT was the soundtrack - but when we made the inserts it was just a one fold >pullout. I don't know how you guys do it, but I was wondering if we could make >it a mult page insert and have writing and or more artwork that did not make >the front of back cover. to do that would cost more money...namely because (depending on how many folds you want) we may have to work with a printer to get it done properly. it is cheapest and easiest (i think anyways) to have all the copies done at kinkos or a similar copy center. they can do double-sided art. color artwork is very expensive in itself. i'd really like to keep this cd as cheap as possible. as of rite now, perhaps we should plan on just making it a one square, front and back, layout...plus the back traycard with spine folds... >submissions then ever dream of using. And finally, I was wondering if you guys >have a CD printer or just the labels that you print and put on the CDs or >nothing at all? Later. i do'nt have an adequate printer to print out cd labels, but i use cdRs that are made to take labels. if whoever is doing the artwork would also like to design cd labels, and print them out in mass quanitites without getting paid for it, then that would be great. otherwise, the cover of the cd will be blank with only the title and serial number on it. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) A SUMMARY of the THANKS 2 compilation Date: 19 Sep 1998 00:53:08 -0400 i'm glad that we're getting so much feedback on the new comp, but it's taking up alot of bandwith...so i figured that instead of replying to each email to the whole list, we should try to keep the not so pertinent conversations restricted to private emails. so i'll just post an update every now and then letting the list know what's going on. unless it is a matter of voting or group feedback, try to mail me personally (ryu97@psu.edu). here's what we have so far: SUBMISSION DEADLINE = Thanksgiving Day SCHEDULED RELEASE DATE = as soon as possible after that FEATURED ARTISTS = too early to say. about 5 people have shown interest so far. will be voted on to decide exact track listing. FORMAT = cdR LABEL = Sho Records (www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109) ARTWORK = will be voted on to decide which is best will be on panel insert, double sided, color, plus a color tray card for back of jewel case. AVAILABILITY = it will be made available to anyone, but submissions will only be accepted by list members. we still need a definite response as to who will house the audio and visuals for the voting aspects. this person must be willing to commit their time to the project, and will of course, be noted in the liner nots of the cd. credit will be given where due. all this is subject to change....nothing is permanent. if anyone wants to state their opinion, or has an idea, please contact me. thanks for your patience with this. you'll all be hearing from me with more info soon, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Jenssen" Subject: (mobility) Move Date: 19 Sep 1998 07:16:08 PDT Thanks for all the replys on my last mail. I think I'll talk with one of the record stores in Oslo first, and then decide what to do next week. Jon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: deadline Date: 19 Sep 1998 07:46:16 +0000 AS SPYDER SAID i think a deadline is a good idea. who funds this thing is essential...... who's ready to contribute money to help the load off ryu? i'd say anybody contributing should be ready to throw down 20 to 50 bucks at some point> clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 19 Sep 1998 10:58:57 EDT i'm thinking that maybe all the mobility list people could get one version of the cd, and another version could be made for the rest of the people who would be interested in it. that way we can still have a rare copy of it, but other people can also enjoy it. tell me what you think. drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 19 Sep 1998 14:31:41 -0500 Did we decide to stop talking about this on mobility? I might be able to host the information for the album on a server of mine for a while. I'm assuming it will only need to be there for a few weeks or so--enough time to let everyone vote right? If so then it'd be no problem. I've got several 100 mb free, and can even set up some system to process the votes. Ryu--I'm assuming that you'll be the one giving me all the stuff right? --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) Re: thanks 2 Date: 19 Sep 1998 14:34:23 -0700 (PDT) hey guess what. i said my dad was buying some honey the other day? well he bought in one of those plastic thingys in a bear shape! cool... and heres some thanks2 ideas i have, i was thinking of doing a tribute to moby, like not a cover or remix, but a tribute. i wrote these lyrics, im planning to loop a sample from "Lovesick" (in case ya dont know this one its a fast punky song, about a minute long, from the revolver single) and sing/rant/shout/whatever these lyrics i wrote...just kinda MOBY RULES stuff and shout outs and a chronology...one verse about his early techno trax, a vers about EIW, a verse about AR, you get it...with some select moby samples thrown in....and i forgot who posted this, steve giles maybe? that "Moby Moby He's our man, if I can't do it he sure can"? well....i incorporated that in the song!! well i was also thinking of doing a lo-fi improvisational thingy...just me banging on some hand drums and shouting out things, kinda Wesley Willis- or King Missile-like (i bet aalmost nobody here knows those groups..) well any way those are my ideas....kool? kool... bye now peace out == "HENS LOVE ROOSTERS GEESE LOVE GANDERS EVERYONE ELSE LOVES..........." >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Behm Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #226 Date: 19 Sep 1998 16:50:19 -0500 > >> >Hell no! Among my other ideas, I was also considering an acoustic "Love >Hole" or getting my friend Amy Lee from the goth/emo band evanescence to >sing over the instrumental version of "When It's Cold I'd Like to Die." >Ack. Too many ideas. I've always though a ska version of ETYTM would be >interesting. ;). >By the way, I'm posting a lot of ideas I should probably keep to myself. >Please don't anybody steal them. Ack! That's what I've been working on with the Benny Hinn Experience...or at least something that's similar. It'll start with a bluesy version of Everything is Wrong and transition into a Nut Zippers-esque ETYTM. I think it'll be cool. Brian the MInnesotan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: thanks 2 Date: 19 Sep 1998 21:55:09 CDT I like King Missile, especially "Detachable Penis" and "Martin Scorcese". Pretty interesting stuff there. Sorry for the non-Moby post. Other than being able to play some pretty mean versions of "Nash" and "Displaced", I can't produce anything for the Thanks2 compilation. Pity for you all, I know, but I have no means of doing anything electronic becuase of major lack of fundage for equipment or otherwise. So, there's my Moby-relevant material for this post. And a happy one, too..... d ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephanie Momose" Subject: (mobility) Honey/Bring Back My Happiness Date: 19 Sep 1998 21:59:57 PDT Hi there! Just thought I'd make a rare post and say that I picked up a copy of "Honey" today. It's quite different but I like it. I think it will be one of those tunes that will grow on me. I also got the "Bring Back My Happiness" disc. Interesting... I like the cute picture on the cover. Self-portrait? StephM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 20 Sep 1998 02:21:17 -0400 At 10:58 AM 9/19/98 EDT, you wrote: >i'm thinking that maybe all the mobility list people could get one version of >the cd, and another version could be made for the rest of the people who would >be interested in it. that way we can still have a rare copy of it, but other >people can also enjoy it. tell me what you think. what do you girls and guys think? would it be worth the work to release two different versions? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 20 Sep 1998 01:26:44 -0500 >what do you girls and guys think? would it be worth the work to >release two different versions? I don't know. It sounds kind of seedy. Don't we hate record companies for pulling shit like that all the time? I'm sure the CD will be rare enough enough as it is. And that's a lot of work to put two out. Also, how do we decide which tracks go on the mobility version and which ones go on the public version? We don't want to keep all the best songs or noone else will want it and we don't want to just have all the bad songs 'cause what good will that do? But if everyone else thinks it's a good idea I won't stand in the way. --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 20 Sep 1998 02:29:25 EDT In a message dated 9/20/98 6:21:17 AM, ryu97@psu.edu writes: <> I think that would be cool, but I question how many people will buy this CD that are not on the list. It would definately be better at least from the artwork side as more are could be used - assuming all this art that is being promised ever gets done. And I have a qquestion since I am one of the could be artists - is the official title of this CD going to be 'Thanks 2' ? Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVIESA@uwplatt.edu Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 20 Sep 1998 01:54:11 -0500 (CDT) beleive me, one release will be more than enough work. i see no need for 2 releases. andy gingebread man ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MindTrip@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #226 Date: 20 Sep 1998 06:04:29 EDT In a message dated 9/19/98 5:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-mobility- digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << >> I realize there is alot of people offering to do the art, and i guess i'm just another person that's interested in doing the same...you can check out my work at The MindTrip Gallery , if its what u r looking for, then i would be more than happy(i think overwhelmed is the word) to do the artwork. sincerely, clintos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: 2 versions? Date: 20 Sep 1998 06:27:45 +0000 i think the idea of 2 versions is nice if we are to consider ourselves so special just because we are on this list and are the instigators of this project but it would be expensive and a little like guns and roses or hanson doing a special cd just for theor hometown or something...... neat but kinda indulgent.......let's just make one really phat kick ass cd that we can all be proud of and the world can enjoy......... and we can afford to do clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #226 Date: 20 Sep 1998 11:09:05 -0500 >I realize there is alot of people offering to do the art, and i guess i'm just >another person that's interested in doing the same...you can check out my work >at The MindTrip >Gallery , if its what u r looking for, then i would be more than happy(i >think overwhelmed is the word) to do the artwork. >sincerely, >clintos Just give it a try and enter something. We'll all vote on it. --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n Subject: (mobility) Re: THANKS 2 Date: 20 Sep 1998 12:14:21 -0400 hi ryu, hi, i'm a lurker on mobility and i'm also on your mailing list. I'm heavily into art and design and i'm interested in doing something for this Thanks 2 compilation. What kind of design aesthetic are you looking for? And do you need a hard copy or could i send you a file? Do you need it at CD size or bigger i.e. will you shrink it down? How will you reproduce it? All things i'd like to know...when's the deadline again? American thanksgiving? Sometime in November, right? I don't usually have much to contribute to the list but i'd like to with this :) Oh yeah, and do you have the dimensions for the tray card and the front fold out? I have a CD cover template i made up myself on the computer (i just pulled out the cards and measured them)'cause i make mixed cd's myself sometimes and i like to do artwork/design for them, but i'll conform to whatever parameters you set in this case. Please get back to me. I'd really like to help. On another note, I keep meaning to ask you whether you ever needed any artists/designers to contribute work for stuf you put out on SHO. I'd be more than willing to do so. If i had money i would probably have bought up most of your discography by now, seeing as we have such similar musical slants. I have and liked "before after then" and i meant to buy "power made flesh" when it came out but, hey, gotta love that weak canadian dollar. The money order alone would cost more than what you were charging for the disc <:) Regardless, i'd like to help with the thanks 2 comp. Get back to me wit tha 411 on the specs 'kay? :) Thank you for your trouble, nathalie. ========================================================== Words fail. n. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) thanks artwork and music voting info Date: 20 Sep 1998 14:35:42 -0400 hello ladies and gents, as for the voting for track listing of the cd, i'm not thinking that voting for the track listing is such a good idea. for one, it will make things very complicated because not everyone can submit files in mp3 format or ra. and it will just take up alot of time that i don't really think is necessary. i don't think we will get enuff submissions from list members to make it a worthwhile venture. i've only heard from 5 people saying they'd like to do a track for it, so there will be more than enuff room. perhaps even enuff for each person to do more than one track. does this upset anyone? if anyone has a gripe, please let me know and i'll reconsider. as for the voting on the artwork... ade will be housing the web site! he's a swell guy! he has more than enuff space to do it. his site isn't up just yet, but will be soon. either me or him will let you all know when you can start sending in your artwork. it will all go to him, and not me, and he'll let us know what format and size he'd prefer it to be sent in at. i think that it could be possible to have bits of artwork from different people combined for the final product. for example, one person doing the cover, another doing the inside insert, and another doing the back tray card. it would also be easiest to keep the layout simple in terms of size. if we make the insert itself, a one fold (two panel), front and back, that will fit on one sheet of 8.5/11 paper. then the tray card on a separate sheet. or perhaps both can be combined onto one 11x17" sheet...i'm not sure. at any rate, no more than two pieces of paper so it's more cost effective to copy. so keep that in mind when designing. now the title.....that is somethign we should discuss soon so people can use it in their artwork. i'm content with calling it "thanks 2", but does anyone have a more creative title we can use? ok, i think that's all at this time. again, if the not voting for track listings upsets anyone, let me know. bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n Subject: (mobility) so sorry... Date: 20 Sep 1998 14:40:19 -0400 my last post was supposed to go to ryu alone. Sorry to take up space. -- ========================================================== Words fail. n. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: (mobility) Re: thanks 2 Date: 20 Sep 1998 18:04:32 -0500 If we're not going to vote on th1e tracks then that's fine. I can just host the images. And if we change our mind later that'll be fine too. If you're submitting images, you can send them to me (ade@anderson.edu) as an attachment to an email message. Make sure you're using MIME or BinHex, as I know that some MS Outlook users attach using Uuencode and my client can't read that. The images need to be in gif or jpg format, and around 300x300 pixels. This is just for the web page--I don't know what we'll need for the actual prints since that's not my dept. Also include in the text of the message whether it's for the cover or back, your name, etc. And of course keep backups of everything for yourself since I don't want to be held responsible for all that in case my machine crashes or something. Once I start getting submissions I'll start putting together the pages and let everyone know where to find everything. Then once Thanksgiving rolls around we'll start voting. Peace. np: Juno Reactor, _Beyond the Infinite_ --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RYAN GOSSETT" Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 20 Sep 1998 16:38:59 PDT > >In a message dated 9/20/98 6:21:17 AM, ryu97@psu.edu writes: > ><release two different versions? >> It would be a very bad idea to try and release 2 versions. I think this is a very noble endeavor that is in the process of being made but I believe that it should be kept as simple as possible without sacrificing artistic progress, 2 copies seems to be too much work (and I'm only anticipating the release) Which reminds me, I think that it WOULD be a good idea to re-release Thanks 1. I joined the list right towards the end of it's cut-off point and I know that there are people out there who would love to buy it. Please Andy, reconsider the decision to not re-release it. Finally, I just started my new job at the area waldenbooks and we have a spencer gifts right next to us. We don't have music piped in but spencer does. I was putting away some books when I discovered that I was singing a outloud to the music from next door. I then realized that I was singing ETYTM from next door. 4 hours later they played it again, I was pretty excited to hear moby being played in a non-music store, just wanted to share, Ryan "Do or do not. There is no try." (Yoda, circa 1980) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RYAN GOSSETT" Subject: (mobility) possible name for thanks 2 Date: 20 Sep 1998 16:46:05 PDT This might sound pretty stupid as a name but it is the first thing to come into my mind, Everytime You Touch Us I think it can be safe to say that we, as mobility members, have been touched by Moby's music in one way or another. Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Matthew Damerow Subject: (mobility) 2 versions please Date: 20 Sep 1998 20:13:00 -0400 i think that if cost can be kept down to a minimum, then two cd versions is optimal so as to distinguish between the true moby lovers and the possible occasional moby listeners. matches m malone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks artwork and music voting info Date: 20 Sep 1998 19:06:50 -0600 Ryu wrote: > > as for the voting on the artwork... ade will be housing the web > site! he's a swell guy! he has more than enuff space to do it. > his site isn't up just yet, but will be soon. either me or him will > let you all know when you can start sending in your artwork. > it will all go to him, and not me, and he'll let us know what format > and size he'd prefer it to be sent in at. Cool, I might even try submitting something. :) > now the title.....that is somethign we should discuss soon so people can > use it in their artwork. i'm content with calling it "thanks 2", but > does anyone have a more creative title we can use? Well, this might sound too simplistic but I think "Thanks 2 Moby" would be a good idea. You could make "Thanks 2" a single color and then make "Moby" another color or font or whatever. It keeps the idea/title of the original CD but also shows the new CD as a continuation while making a brief statement (though the statement is the same as the first but expanded). Bla, bla, bla. :) Damian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks artwork and music voting info Date: 20 Sep 1998 23:53:00 -0400 >Cool, I might even try submitting something. :) damian, you are probably the most integral part (besides moby) of this list...and i'd like to involve you in some way on this project. lots of times we forget who keeps this list serv running and in order and who has made good decisions in the past to sustain peace here (is that melodramatic?)..... so anything you'd like to contribute or say inside will be cool with me, and i'd suspect the rest of us too. >Well, this might sound too simplistic but I think "Thanks 2 Moby" would >be a good idea. You could make "Thanks 2" a single color and then make >"Moby" another color or font or whatever. good idea. i don't know which i like better, "thanks 2 moby" or "every time you touch us". any others anyone? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) thanks artwork dimensions Date: 21 Sep 1998 00:27:19 -0400 the actual size to print out the artwork for the jewel case inserts is as follows: for a two fold insert, front and back printed: insert = 1368 X 678 pixels tray card (back) = 855 X 666 pixels this is not the size to send ade, but the size it will be when printed out...so keep that in mind when working. i believe ade asked them to be 300 when mailed to him. thanks again ade.... bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks artwork and music voting info Date: 20 Sep 1998 21:48:25 +0000 i like both titles and damian's with moby in a different color is a good idea however i vote for everytime you touch us clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dkelly" Subject: (mobility) Evil Ninja Remix Date: 21 Sep 1998 00:19:25 -0500 Does anyone know of a Moby CD with the Evil Ninja" remix? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kingmob83@aol.com Subject: (mobility) thanks 2 liner notes Date: 21 Sep 1998 02:28:32 EDT hey guys are we gonna include any cool liner notes to give it that Moby album feel? kingmob83 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:30:22 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:38:59 PDT RYAN GOSSETT wrote: > > > > Finally, I just started my new job at the area waldenbooks and we have a > spencer gifts right next to us. We don't have music piped in but > spencer does. I was putting away some books when I discovered that I > was singing a outloud to the music from next door. I then realized that > I was singing ETYTM from next door. 4 hours later they played it again, > I was pretty excited to hear moby being played in a non-music store, > just wanted to share, > Ryan > Just to say something different for a change - I also heard Moby (Say it's all Mine) being played in a video games shop when I was in London, over the weekend. I was fairly surprised, but pleased that Moby was getting a bit more recognition (especially as it was from AR, which wasn't very popular here in the UK, compared to his dance stuff). TMB > "Do or do not. There is no try." (Yoda, circa 1980) > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 21 Sep 1998 03:46:06 -0700 RYAN GOSSETT wrote: > > > > >In a message dated 9/20/98 6:21:17 AM, ryu97@psu.edu writes: > > > >< >release two different versions? >> > > It would be a very bad idea to try and release 2 versions. I think this > is a very noble endeavor that is in the process of being made but I > believe that it should be kept as simple as possible without sacrificing > artistic progress, 2 copies seems to be too much work (and I'm only > anticipating the release) I really vote against having 2 versions...this isn't some major label where we have a promo version that will be rare- the whole thing is going to be rare regardless!!!! If you're thinking it's going to be worth money someday or something it won't, only official releases will and even then....rare would be anything under 1000 copies (maybe even more) Which reminds me, I think that it WOULD be a > good idea to re-release Thanks 1. I joined the list right towards the > end of it's cut-off point and I know that there are people out there who > would love to buy it. Please Andy, reconsider the decision to not > re-release it. I'm a bit confused as to what the reasons are for not letting someone re-release Thanks I....how many copies were made? And another 20 or so copies would somehow change anything? I also think that unless Thanks I can be made available also, there is little reason to name the new compilation Thanks 2 or whatever...we should just pick a new name. Also, I think it should be (and really is) up to the artists that contributed to Thanks I whether or not to make more copies- after all they could all submit thier songs again and someone else could just make a new version of it anyway. If we do decide to go with the Thanks title as part of a series, then my vote for this CD would be "Thanks Again" I'm sure no one will mind us making our little CD if it's just for people on the list and maybe a few extra, but you must realize that if you intend on trying to sell the CD through proper channels there is a big problem called "mechanical liscencing" which is a fee that must be paid to the songwriter whenever a song is covered and a CD sold...the Harry Fox Agency handles these... Also, even more difficult would be liscencing any samples of moby songs used for remixes or whatever- the record company holds all the rights to the sound recordings and would probably not give out permission without first hearing the material and then probably only if it was being released by an established label that was planning on conpensating Elektra or Mute for the use of said samples.... Dont mean to bum anyone out, but this is just a small project for the listees or else it's much more complicated....so no matter what Thanks I and II will always be very rare since no one will ever be able to find it in stores. The fact that RYU's label is non-profit goes a long way toward making this a legit project too, after all the laws are designed to stop people from making a profit by exploiting artists and that is obviously not the intent here. paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2 liner notes Date: 21 Sep 1998 05:43:43 +0000 i think damian should write the liner notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: THANKS 2 (mobility) Date: 21 Sep 1998 05:46:33 +0000 good points from killpatient and good title too! call the lawyer clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) THANKS I AND II... Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:15:13 -0400 >I'm a bit confused as to what the reasons are for not letting >someone re-release Thanks I....how many copies were made? >And another 20 or so copies would somehow change anything? all i can say at this point is hang tite people...hang tite. in the wise words of hulk hoagan, "say your prayers and eat your vitamens, and maybe...just maybe one day you'll have the option to buy thanks I again." that's all i can say. interpret it how you will. >I'm sure no one will mind us making our little CD if it's just >for people on the list and maybe a few extra, but you must realize that >if you intend on trying to sell the CD through proper channels >there is a big problem called "mechanical liscencing" which is >a fee that must be paid to the songwriter whenever a song is >covered and a CD sold. this will not happen. we are not going to use a distributer or anything of the sort. there won't even be any consignments made with local record shops. this cd will only be available over the net, and will mostly only attract the attention of us here on the list. most other people probably wouldn't care, but i want to give them the chance anyways. later, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2 liner notes Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:17:22 -0400 At 02:28 AM 9/21/98 EDT, you wrote: >hey guys are we gonna include any cool liner notes to give it that Moby album >feel? if damian is willing to write the liner notes, i think that is a good idea. i really liked how everyone made a shot out in thanks I.....that was super. is there a way we could do somethign similar, but not the same? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric M. Goldberg" Subject: RE: (mobility) possible name for thanks 2 Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:25:44 -0400 I dont know if anyone mentioned this, but how about: Thanks Too Eric gold@netrox.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "April Kilduff" Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #226 Date: 21 Sep 1998 08:48:24 -0500 9/21/98 RE>mobility-digest V1 #226 8:43 AM just me banging on some hand drums and shouting out things, kinda Wesley Willis- or King Missile-like (i bet aalmost nobody here knows those groups..) wesley willis is the man! his songs make me laugh till i cry! i saw him play in austin over a year ago and he's got some stage presence. he had a sore throat and kept spraying clorospectic on it in between songs. then he'd get a few seconds into a song and sneeze and start over. i always wondered what happened when singers had to sneeze or cough or something. he had a bunch of his drawings of chicago to sell but i had no cash on me. very cool guy. btw-saw massive attack play last night and it was beautiful. i was near the wall of speakers and the music would sort of hit me in waves, i mean physically. they played three sets and included old goodies like unfinished sympathy (which made me think of moby's unfinished symphony) and safe from harm as well as some stuff from mezzanine. rock over london, rock on minneapolis... wheaties, breakfast of champions. april. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) stuff Date: 21 Sep 1998 09:52:36 -0400 >>throw down 20 to 50 bucks at some point> I'll drop some cash for the project. Since it's non-profit the cost will basically be for the costs. If all goes as planned I'll be reimbursed. If not, no sweat. It's only money. I also think 1 version would suffice. And I like "Thanks 2 Moby" for the title. And Ryu, You can bet I'm eating my vitamins and whatnot and trying to figure out what that message meant exactly... Did anyobdy check out that Jill Greenberg site? What did you think? BTW, she did the photography for Hymn, too. Mondays suck. -S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS I AND II... Date: 21 Sep 1998 06:39:50 -0700 Ryu wrote: > > >I'm a bit confused as to what the reasons are for not letting > >someone re-release Thanks I....how many copies were made? > >And another 20 or so copies would somehow change anything? > > all i can say at this point is hang tite people...hang tite. > in the wise words of hulk hoagan, "say your prayers and > eat your vitamens, and maybe...just maybe one day you'll have > the option to buy thanks I again." that's all i can say. > interpret it how you will. maybe we could call it- "Thanks, But No Thanks" > > >I'm sure no one will mind us making our little CD if it's just > >for people on the list and maybe a few extra, but you must realize that > >if you intend on trying to sell the CD through proper channels > >there is a big problem called "mechanical liscencing" which is > >a fee that must be paid to the songwriter whenever a song is > >covered and a CD sold. > > this will not happen. we are not going to use a distributer or > anything of the sort. there won't even be any consignments made > with local record shops. this cd will only be available over the net, > and will mostly only attract the attention of us here on the list. > most other people probably wouldn't care, but i want to give them > the chance anyways. Sounds like a good plan, I think taking advance orders starting Thanksgiving (maybe we should call the comp Thankgiving?) would help make things run more smoothly for Ryu when he's ready to start printing CDs. Since I'm planning on contributing some audio, I will not submit any artwork although I'm so tempted... My best idea so far I think is to make a DJ sort of remix song, like the Depeche Mode- Megamix, with an albums worth of songs mixed into a ten minute medley with my own tracks going behind that. Anyone have any objections to that? If we don't get enough submissions to fill the CD, this would be an easy track to extend further too... Then again maybe a good cover would be fun, I was thinking of an Alex Patterson style dub/tripout mix of one of his songs would be fun, and I have the echo unit to do the job- Roland SDE-2000. I may use that in the medley instead, we'll see. OK, I babbled- I couldn't sleep so I took it out on you all, sorry! paul > > later, > ryu > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly B" Subject: (mobility) I finally heard Honey!! Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:39:35 -0400 hey everyone... I feel like a real dolt cause I'm sending this in after the topic died down... BUT I finally heard the full version of Honey (as opposed to the 30 second clip, which was all i had heard before cause I live in the Great White North and the CDs I mail ordered haven't arrived yet) so I thought I'd throw my two cents in. I like it. Its totally different than the music I listen to on a regular basis (KMFDM, Aphex Twin, Pop Will Eat Itself, Crystal Method, Plastikman, NOFX, Bad Religion... and oh yea. Moby. hehe) but still its got this really neat groove to it. I actually found myself dancing to it by the 4th time I listened to it. Okay I know I know I know... I'm a little raver girl and I'll dance to just about anything when the feeling strikes me, but has this phenomena happened to anyone else? Uncontroable dancing to Honey? hehehe Well that's enough babbling from me on my day off skool. lates... -Kelbert Popularity is kinda like Tupperware: expensive plastic that's sold at parties. -Anon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly B" Subject: (mobility) Moby ICQ list? Date: 21 Sep 1998 10:44:29 -0400 Yo its me again. I should have added this little question on to the end of my last post but I forgot. So sue me. Just wondering. Its there an ICQ users list for Moby fans (or obsessers like me)? I haven't found one. If there isn't one I can start putting together one I guess... Considering I've already done one for peeps who go to my school. Its a pain in the butt, but if there isn't one now, I guess I can start collecting the info and giving it to whoever wants to post it someplace... BTW, my # is 4276901 if anyone wants to say hey... -Kelbert http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/avebury/9/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Colorez Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks Date: 21 Sep 1998 11:16:01 -0700 Did anyone ever send Moby a copy of the first "Thanks" CD? Think he got it and really listened to it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) ThanksHoney Date: 21 Sep 1998 12:38:47 -0400 >>Uncontroable dancing to Honey? I find myself stampin my foor or tappin my leg. Especially to the original, like when the honkeytonk is in full effect. You're off school? Is it Institute day? I heard from somebody that students are off for Rosh Hashanah in some places.... Moby was given the 1st Thanks CD. I forgot who gave it to him, but I beleive he commented postively on the rendition of "God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters" that was on there. The only song I've heard from that CD is Ryu's "Unloved Symphony", which is on one of his CDs. Quite good, too. I look forward to hearing more demonstrations in the realm of audio psychoticness from you Ryu, stuff like "I Need Someone". That rocks. If anybody wants to buy a Next Is The E 12", let me know, I have an extra. Promo or release minus picture sleeve, your choice. So what's the scoop on these OMD remixes? Isn't this an old song he's doing? I saw a "Souvenier" at a store listed w/ an eighties release date. What kind of music is OMD? Any info appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks Date: 21 Sep 1998 11:42:28 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Anthony Colorez wrote: > Did anyone ever send Moby a copy of the first "Thanks" CD? > Think he got it and really listened to it? yes, i gave him a copy when i interviewed him last year. he seemed to really like it. you'll have to ask ryu, i think he was the one who talked to moby after i gave it to him. [xaq] "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop. but i really enjoy thinking." Masafumi Sanai-photographer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 alt title Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:17:29 +0200 On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 09:48:25PM +0000, clay wrote: > i vote for > everytime you touch us everytime we feel you ? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 Moby Cover Art Submission Date: 21 Sep 1998 15:26:30 -0400 Ade, Thanks for hosting the cover contest. I appreciate it. I've included the URL for you to grab my submission from, since I use Outlook I was afraid an attachment would not be readable by you. There might be other submissions w/ this graphic included, I've given out permission for people to play with it. I guess if you need a title or description it's called "Tribal New Logo". http://members.xoom.com/delobbo/moby/steve23.gif Thanks again (wow double meaning there hey) -Steve Giles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Davies" Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:43:51 -0500 i talked to moby the day after xaq gave it to him, and he listened to it on the trip from minneapolis to chicago. he said he was very impressed with the fact that someone had taken the time to learn the entire song of "god moving..." and was happy with the rest of the album. i think in his humility, he was a bit embarrased that fans had put together a cd of HIS music for HIM. i also talked to pablo, moby's on stage percussionist, and i can't recall if he said he had heard it for sure or not, but he had seen it on the bus... just a little story for you all... andy gingerbread man -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 1:16 PM Did anyone ever send Moby a copy of the first "Thanks" CD? Think he got it and really listened to it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kpicara@juno.com (sarah j mamott) Subject: (mobility) thanks 2 moby Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:56:02 EDT damian wrote: >Well, this might sound too simplistic but I think "Thanks 2 Moby" would >be a good idea. You could make "Thanks 2" a single color and then make >"Moby" another color or font or whatever. It keeps the idea/title of >the original CD but also shows the new CD as a continuation while making >a brief statement (though the statement is the same as the first but >expanded). Bla, bla, bla. :) i like this the best. i think 'everytime you touch us' is a little bit cheesey. not that i'm against cheese. .. but imo damian's idea is nicely simple and professional-like. i was wondering, is there any way to find out how many people are actually subscribed to this list ? ,sar ah __________________________________________ though this world's essentially an absurd place to be living in, it doesn't call for total withdrawal -stereolab _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Shipley Subject: Remxing/editting software - WAS: Re: (mobility) thanks 2 moby Date: 21 Sep 1998 17:37:15 -0500 (CDT) Since we are on the topic of remixing (sorta) I was wondering what/if you guys use any Wintel-based software, or do you just stick with drum machines, turntables, and mixing boards? If yes, whats out there, and whats good? Where can I go to find info on this stuff? I've d/l some "virtual turntable" like stuff from the 'net, but most of it was flaky and/or garbage - I'm sure there is better out there. Its been a LONG time since I played with any of this stuff so I'm REALLY out of touch with the scene.. Heck, the last time I messed with editting/sampling I was using an Amiga2000, 16bit samplers, and a bunch of mod utils...yeah...that long ago. Help! Thanks, -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Shipley Subject: (mobility) Thanks v1? Date: 21 Sep 1998 17:45:43 -0500 (CDT) And one other thing - concerning the re-release of "Thanks I" or whatever...if enough people are interested, why not do it? Also, do you guys burn these, or have them glass-pressed like "real" audio CDs? If you guys paid for a mold, and still have it, re-running a bunch of CDs shouldn't cost very much. And if its burned, hell, thats easy enough to re-do, right? Or is there some other objection to re-releasing "Thanks I" or whatever? Our company does this type of stuff (we don't press CDs, but we work with companies that do) so if anyone needs any info, help coordinating, whatever, let me know..... Just a thought, -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) places to buy stuff Date: 21 Sep 1998 18:32:47 -0400 Chew on this one franes n naybors (in Canada, I listed US $ only) http://www.cam.org/~thrills/#catalogs Lopez - Why Can't It Stop? $6.49 Animal Rights +Little Idiot $12.47 Early Underground $13.62 Rare + Go $12.32 Moby $12.62 VC End Of Everything $14.92 http://www.cdjoint.com/ Baltimore, MD 1-800-851-7773 MOBY AMBIENT CD 12.99 MOBY ANIMAL RIGHTS Tape call for price MOBY ANIMAL RIGHTS CD 13.99 MOBY ANIMAL RIGHTS CD 19.99(import) MOBY ANIMAL RIGHTS Vinyl 11.99(import) MOBY ANIMAL RIGHTS 'LIMITED Book call for price(import MOBY BRING BACK MY HAPPINESS CD single 5.99 MOBY BRING BACK MY HAPPINESS CD single 6.49 MOBY COME ON BABY CD single call for price MOBY COME ON BABY 7 inch call for price MOBY COME ON BABY S Book call for price(import MOBY COME ON BABY CD single 8.99 MOBY EARLY UNDERGROUND CD 14.99 MOBY EARLY UNDERGROUND CD 13.99 MOBY EVERY THING IS WRONG 'R CD 17.99 MOBY EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH ME 7 inch call for price MOBY EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH ME CD single 5.99 MOBY EVERYTHING IS WRONG CD 13.99 MOBY EVERYTHING IS WRONG Tape 9.99 MOBY EVERYTHING WRONG REMIXE Book call for price(import MOBY EVERY THING IS WRONG CD 21.99 MOBY FEELING SO REAL CD single 6.99 MOBY HONEY #2 REMIXES CD 9.99(import) MOBY HONEY #1 CD 9.99(import) MOBY HONEY Vinyl 9.99(import) MOBY I LIKE TO SCORE CD 13.99 MOBY I LIKE TO SCORE Tape call for price MOBY INTO THE BLUE #2 REMIXE CD 9.99(import) MOBY INTO THE BLUE #1 9.99(import) MOBY INTO THE BLUE'REMIXES 6.99 MOBY JAMES BOND THEME 7 inch call for price MOBY JAMES BOND THEME CD 9.99(import) MOBY MOBY CD 13.99 MOBY MOBY DISK CD call for price MOBY MOVE EP CD 9.99 MOBY MOVE EP Tape 7.99 MOBY NEW DAWN FADES 3.99 MOBY NEXT IS THE E CD single call for price MOBY RARE-THE COLLECTED B SI CD 17.99 MOBY THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR CD single 9.99 MOBY THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR 7 inch 3.99 MOBY THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR CD single call for price MOBY THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR Book call for price(import MOBY THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR Book call for price(import MOBY THAT'S WHEN I REACH FOR 7 inch call for pric MOBY/VOODOO CHILD END OF EVERYTHING CD 12.99 http://www.modified-music.com Salt Lake City, UT - 801-355-1770 from the New Catalog: Honey pt 1 $11.95 Honey pt 2 $11.95 Honey 12" $11.95 Moby $17.95 Moby Early Underground $17.95 Jon Spencer Remixes CD $8.95 from the Old Catalog, may be outdated Moby That's When I Reach For My Revolver Vinyl version of Moby's latest features Rollo & Sister Bliss Vocal Mix, plus exclusive Instrumental Mix. Format: 12" / Country: UK / Price: Moby That's When I Reach For My Revolver 12" vinyl version of the first single off "Animal Rights" features 5 remixes, including 4 exclusive! Format: 12" / Country: US / Price: $5.95 Moby That's When I Reach For My Revolver Awesome 7" vinyl version b/w "Whip It" (Death Metal Version). With cool death metal' cover. Format: 7" / Country: US / Price: $4.95 Moby Bring Back My Happiness Format: CD5 / Country: UK / Price: Moby Come On Baby 2nd single from "Animal Rights," features awesome remixes, 2 live cuts, and a cover of Devo's "Whip It." (The Death Metal Version.) Format: CD5 / Country: UK / Price: $11.95 Moby That's When I Reach For My Revolver Pt. 2 With Rollo & Sister Bliss Mix of title, plus "Every One Of My Problems," "Dark," & "God Moving Over The Face Of The Water," (Heat Mix). Format: CD5 / Country: UK / Price: $10.95 Moby That's When I Reach For My Revolver Pt. 1 First trk. from his forthcoming "Animal Rights" CD, features bonus cuts, "Lovesick," "Displaced" & "Sway." Format: CD5 / Country: UK / Price: $11.95 Moby Animal Rights + Bonus CD Moby's, harder-edged lp, arrives as a UK-only double CD set. 12 trk. lp., plus bonus 9 trk. CD (which will not be part of the US one-disc February 1997 release.) Awesome. Format: Dbl CD / Country: UK / Price: $29.95 Moby Come On Baby Ltd. Strictly & extremely ltd. double CD pack, in deluxe rubber sleeve. The first disc features 6 cuts, including the exclusive "Love Hole" & a live version of "Hymn." The second disc features 3 mixes of the title, 2 of which are available exclusively on CD only in this format. Brilliant! Format: Dbl CD5 / Country: UK / Price: 24.95 Moby Everything Is Wrong: Mixed! Remixed! 2 CDS of Mixes & Remixes of Moby's Stunning Album, Including "Non Stop DJ Mix" By Evil Ninja Moby. Extra Limited. Format: Dbl CD / Country: UK / Price: Moby Rare: The Collected B-Sides 1989-1993 A cool collection of harder-to-find & previously unreleased mixes from Mr. Hall. Features a bonus 14 trk. tour-de-force of collected "Go" mixes. A must for any fan. Format: Dbl CD / Country: US / Price: $15.50 Moby* Recoil/Bloodline Side project from Depeche Mode's Alan Wilder. Features guest vocalists Douglas Nitzer Ebb' McCarthy, Toni Curve' Halliday, and Moby! Cut-out. Format: CD / Country: US / Price: $11.95 Moby* Various Artists/School House Rock! Rocks A 90's update of the classic Saturday TV spots, features Moby's radical reworking of "Verb: That's What's Happening". Format: CD / Country: US / Price: $17.50 Moby* Various Artists/ The Saint OST Original soundtrack featuring previously unreleased Moby trk.: "Oil 1." Format: CD / Country: US / Price: $17.50 Moby* Voodoo Child/ The End Of Everything The US debut of Moby's alter-ego side-project, includes music not found on the UK version. Features the hit "Dog Heaven." Format: CD / Country: US / Price: 17.50 Moby* Voodoo Child/The End Of Everything Moby's much- anticipated debut from one of his many side-projects, the stylistic & moody lp features 7 trx. Format: CD / Country: / Price: Moby* Dog Heaven A harder-edged offering than Moby's Voodoo Child debut lp, features 3 trx. Format: CD5 / Country: / Price: Moby* Erasure/Am I Right? Pt. 2 Ltd. edition with Christmas cover, 4 exclusive versions of 4 "Chorus" trx.: Grid remix of title, "LFO Modulated Filter Mix" of "Love To Hate You," Moby's "Vegan Mix" of "Chorus," & a stunning acoustic version of "Perfect Stranger." Format: CD5 / Country: UK / Price: $14.95 Moby* Heads/Damage I've Done Remixes Remixes of the debut single from the new project from 3 Talking Heads members, in collaboration on this trk. from Johnette Napolitano. With 2 mixes by Moby! Format: CD5 / Country: US / Price: $6.95 Moby* Jam & Spoon/Stella Reissue of their classic debut single with an incredible new cover! 3 trx., including Moby's Barracuda & Electro Mixes. Format: CD5 / Country: Austria / Price: $11.95 Moby* Shamen/ L.S.I. With "Beat Edit," "Alternative Vocal," & "Dub Rave Vocal" of title, + Moby's "US Dub Mix" of "Make It Mine." Cut-out. Format: CD5 / Country: UK / Price: $8.95 Voodoo Child The End Of Everything The US debut of Moby's alter-ego side-project, includes music not found on the UK version. Features the hit "Dog Heaven." Format: CD / Country: US / Price: 17.50 Voodoo Child The End Of Everything One of Moby's alter egos, this hypnotic lp is his long awaited debut, a follow-up to last years debut single, "Emptiness." Features 7 trx. Format: CD / Country: / Price: Voodoo Child Dog Heaven This 3 trk. offering from Moby, is harder-edged compared to his Voodoo Child debut lp. Format: CD5 / Country: / Price: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOBYchild@aol.com Subject: (mobility) "the Mix" (chi radio station) uses moby Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:26:19 EDT 101.9 WTMX chicago has been using a couple moby songs, recently, in its commercials. "its party time" was used in an advertisement for a club, and 'james bond theme' was used as part of a promotion in which they gave away a couple BMWs... ah, well...just thought it was interesting... ~L~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jake M." Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey! Date: 21 Sep 1998 17:36:01 PDT The BT song Godspeed, the Spiritualized song (cannot think of the name) and the Gomez Song are all really good, I cannot remember all the other stuff on there, but it is a pretty good soundtrack. The songs I mentioned plus mobys are not the only good ones either... >Just curious....how's the rest of the soundtrack? > >danielle > > > >On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Jake M. wrote: > >> >> I finally heard all of honey. I really like it, and its been stuck in my >> head since 3:30 am this morning. I was suprised to find it. I was >> looking for a cd to play for my radio show and picked up the Permanent >> Midnight Sndtrk, I did not know the song was on there, but I was really >> thrilled to finally here it. I think it is very different from what moby >> has done, but I think that is good. >> Anyway, on another note, I remember someone here posted a message >> dealing with a website where you can pick songs that you can put on a cd >> and have it mailed to you, does anyone still have that address. I was >> looking for it, but could not find it. Thanks a lot. >> >> Jake >> *still humming Honey as I type away in the Lab* >> -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- >> "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:47:56 -0400 >yes, i gave him a copy when i interviewed him last year. he seemed to >really like it. you'll have to ask ryu, i think he was the one who talked >to moby after i gave it to him. i talked to him about a week after he was given the comp, and he said that he was very flattered and that he liked it. that's pretty much all he said. he sounded very sincere (as he always is). adios, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:47:47 -0400 ok, why don't we all just vote on the title for thanks 2. send your vote to me personally . this is what we have to choose from: 1. Thanks 2 2. Thanks 2 Moby 3. Thanks Too 4. Thanks Again 5. Every Time You Touch Us 6. Every Time We Feel You 7. Thanksgiving 8. Thanks But No Thanks 9. Moby Sucks and this is all Sarcasm i'll tally up the votes and let everyone know what you decided. that'd be the easiest way to do this. talk to you all soon, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) THANKS I AND II... Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:47:52 -0400 >Sounds like a good plan, I think taking advance orders starting >Thanksgiving (maybe we should call the comp Thankgiving?) would help >make things run more smoothly for Ryu when he's ready to start >printing CDs. that is a great idea. i will do that. it will not only help me get fundage to buy a bulk bunch of blanks, but also give me some time to start working before they go on sale. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks v1? Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:48:00 -0400 >And one other thing - concerning the re-release of "Thanks I" or >whatever...if enough people are interested, why not do it? hold tite and listen to hulk hoagan. >Also, do you >guys burn these, or have them glass-pressed like "real" audio CDs? If you >guys paid for a mold, and still have it, re-running a bunch of CDs >shouldn't cost very much. And if its burned, hell, thats easy enough to >re-do, right? Or is there some other objection to re-releasing "Thanks I" >or whatever? the first one was mastered on cdr and pressed onto cdr. that's how this one is planned also. >Our company does this type of stuff (we don't press CDs, but we work with >companies that do) so if anyone needs any info, help coordinating, >whatever, let me know..... if you can get a good discount on less than 500 quantities, i think i'd consider it. it'd have to be a good price though. bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DUSTIN RAINWATER" Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 22 Sep 1998 01:27:39 -0500 I vote for "Thanks 2" as the album title. --Dustin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: (mobility) Jill Greenberg (Hymn photo) Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:16:38 +0200 > Did anyobdy check out that Jill Greenberg site? What did you think? BTW, she > did the photography for Hymn, too. Mondays suck. I did it, and there were great! -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jake M." Subject: Re: (mobility) stuff Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:18:00 PDT I thought the Jill Greenberg site was really cool. Very unique pictures, and very good pictures. Mondays do suck... Jake -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato > >Did anyobdy check out that Jill Greenberg site? What did you think? BTW, she >did the photography for Hymn, too. Mondays suck. > >-S > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:30:19 EDT i vote for thanks too ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) thanks name decisions almost over... Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:35:13 -0400 i'll keep tallying votes until 12 midnite, tomorrow (wed) nite.... usa time...eastern time.....etc. etc. etc.... so get your votes in before then. i got a good response so far, thanks to all of you for contributing... bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) sampling issues for the new thanks compilation Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:41:24 -0400 hello everyone, i contacted DEF to let them know what we were doing and to make sure that they said it was ok. while they were fine with it, they can not speak for Elektra's opinions. so, to make matters easiest....please keep the sampling to a minimum...and if you do sample, try to cover your tracks. i doubt moby would care, nor should mute. but elektra may. also, to keep things as inside as possible, please don't even contact elektra or moby's u.s. management about this project. if you have a question as to whether you should use a sample in a song or not...my best advice is to just not use it instead of asking one of the authorities for clearance. now, if i'm not notified that something in a song is a sample, i'll just assume that it was re-written to sound similar to the original. one of my eyes is opening and closing rapidly while the corner of my mouth is pressed titely together....okay....? also, moby has been notified that we are doing a second compilation, and he is flattered. i will be sending a few copies to def to thank them for their support and they will inturn give one to moby in case we don't get to him first. that's all for now. talk to you all later, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:04:24 +0100 (British Summer Time) I vote: 'Thanks but no thanks'. TMB On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:47:47 -0400 Ryu wrote: > ok, why don't we all just vote on the title for thanks 2. > send your vote to me personally . > this is what we have to choose from: > > 1. Thanks 2 > 2. Thanks 2 Moby > 3. Thanks Too > 4. Thanks Again > 5. Every Time You Touch Us > 6. Every Time We Feel You > 7. Thanksgiving > 8. Thanks But No Thanks > 9. Moby Sucks and this is all Sarcasm > > i'll tally up the votes and let everyone know what > you decided. that'd be the easiest way to do this. > > talk to you all soon, > ryu > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** > > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 13:25:19 +0200 > I vote: 'Thanks but no thanks'. May I ask (excuse this Spanish fool), what's the thing with that sentence meaning ? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 07:32:19 -0700 >8. Thanks But No Thanks This is my favorite of the bunch.... Maybe I'm just being too cynical-but don't these names sound a little bit ubsequious & cheesy? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 13:13:06 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:25:19 +0200 Jonathan Ruano wrote: > > > I vote: 'Thanks but no thanks'. > May I ask (excuse this Spanish fool), what's the thing with that sentence > meaning ? > > -- > Jonathan Ruano > Well yes, I can understand why you ask this. I accidentally sent it to the list instead of Ryu directly. Now I have to explain myself, well I don't have to, but...I was sort of being cynical and sarcastic and you can read into it any way you want, which isn't very helpful and I should think of an alternative title if I'm going to be cynical. 8. Thanks But No Thanks This is my favorite of the bunch.... Maybe I'm just being too cynical-but don't these names sound a little bit ubsequious & cheesy? Like I already said - yes I do. I would've thought it was sort of embarassing for Moby actually, but then I might be wrong and he might be really chuffed!? Who came up with this title in the first place and why? I can't quite remember! TMB ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 05:40:16 -0700 Tim Beecher wrote: > > I vote: 'Thanks but no thanks'. > > TMB come on! for real? that was just a joke I threw out- I said that's what we should call Thanks I if it didn't get re-released again paul uh...thanksgiving was a joke too.... > > On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:47:47 -0400 Ryu > wrote: > > > ok, why don't we all just vote on the title for thanks 2. > > send your vote to me personally . > > this is what we have to choose from: > > > > 1. Thanks 2 > > 2. Thanks 2 Moby > > 3. Thanks Too > > 4. Thanks Again > > 5. Every Time You Touch Us > > 6. Every Time We Feel You > > 7. Thanksgiving > > 8. Thanks But No Thanks > > 9. Moby Sucks and this is all Sarcasm > > > > i'll tally up the votes and let everyone know what > > you decided. that'd be the easiest way to do this. > > > > talk to you all soon, > > ryu > > > > ************************************************************** > > SHO RECORDS > > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > > Specializing in Powerful Music > > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > > ************************************************************** > > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > > ************************************************************** > > Ryu > > 536 Daly Ave. > > Baden, PA 15005 > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > ---------------------- > Tim Beecher > Cranfield University > T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 05:44:42 -0700 Jonathan Ruano wrote: > > > I vote: 'Thanks but no thanks'. > May I ask (excuse this Spanish fool), what's the thing with that sentence > meaning ? > > -- > Jonathan Ruano It's a saying that means "thank you for the offer, but I'm just not interested" or "thanks for your help, but it didn't do me any good" something like that paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: Remxing/editting software - WAS: Re: (mobility) thanks 2 moby Date: 23 Sep 1998 06:17:13 -0700 Greg Shipley wrote: > > Since we are on the topic of remixing (sorta) I was wondering what/if you > guys use any Wintel-based software, or do you just stick with drum > machines, turntables, and mixing boards? those can sure be alot of fun but I spend most of my time on the PC nowdays I would start out by trying CoolEdit96 http://www.syntrillium.com then give me a personal email I've heard that "Virtual Turntables" (for mp3s) can be great if your computer is fast enough I have not been able to get the beatmatching part working yet though, and my 200MHZ isn't quite good enough for this to run smoothly There is another great program you might like called "acid" it can take WAVs and make easy looping and remixing with all sorts of sampled loops. Not sure where that is from... Of course there is also a great synth/drum machine emulator prog called Rebirth too, which has all the sounds from many Rolands. For more digital auduio there's SoundForge and Goldwave too. paul If yes, whats out there, and > whats good? Where can I go to find info on this stuff? I've d/l some > "virtual turntable" like stuff from the 'net, but most of it was flaky > and/or garbage - I'm sure there is better out there. > > Its been a LONG time since I played with any of this stuff so I'm REALLY > out of touch with the scene.. Heck, the last time I messed with > editting/sampling I was using an Amiga2000, 16bit samplers, and a bunch of > mod utils...yeah...that long ago. Help! > > Thanks, > > -G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:38:10 -0400 This was a joke title created because of the lack of a second pressing of Thanks '1'. I can't beleive it's getting votes. -Steve > I vote: 'Thanks but no thanks'. >May I ask (excuse this Spanish fool), what's the thing with that sentence >meaning ? -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tIM bEECHER Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:24:47 BST Thanks, but no thanks - yes, I guessed it was some 'joke title', but like Jon, I think it's the best title we've come up with so far, without sounding too lick-arsey! TMB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:30:54 -0400 If I was Moby that title would say to me, "We like your music but we can do it better, so you might as well let us take over." Thanks 2 Moby, is clever and not lick-arsey, it's simple gratitude and tribute, not grovelling or worshipping. Just respectful. It doesn't kiss ass, it insults in a bizarre ambiguous kind of way. >>>>> Thanks, but no thanks - yes, I guessed it was some 'joke title', but like Jon, I think it's the best title we've come up with so far, without sounding too lick-arsey! TMB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) write and bother these establishments; thanks title Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:39:33 -0400 My sentences got mixed up in that last message. What I meant was, "Thanks but no Thanks" is the insulting one, and "Thanks 2 Moby" is repectful and thankful and also does zero buttsmooching. Thank you. -Steve It's a slow morning. You'll have to go to "Download Stock List" to view stuff. The search is broken. http://www.liquidmusic.net/ 37559620312 MOBY ANIMAL RIGHTS UD 1 6.99 07559617012 MOBY EVERYTHING IS WRONG D 1 14.99 07559620942 MOBY I LIKE TO SCORE D 1 14.99 501602560179 MOBY INTO THE BLUE X 1 6.99 37559615682 MOBY MOVE EP UD 1 3.99 72084103352 MOBY RARE-THE COLLECTED B SIDES D 1 14.99 501602528149 MOBY WHY CAN'T STOP R 1 9.99 Tulsa, OK 918.664.2951 http://www.mohawkmusic.com/index1.htm --- Vinyl James Bond Theme (2x12") $14 I Like to Score (2LP) $20 Honey (12") $11 --- CD James Bond Theme $11 That's When I Reach For My Revolver $11 Honey Pt 1 & 2 $11 ea. Voodoo Child Dog Heaven $11 I Like to Score $16 Everything is Wrong (remixed double CD) $22 Everthing is Wrong $16 Moby Disc ( CD ROM) $13 Rare (2 CDs) $17 I'll find more later... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tIM bEECHER Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks names decisions... Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:49:26 BST On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:30:54 -0400 Steve Giles wrote: > From: Steve Giles > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:30:54 -0400 > Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks names decisions... > To: "'mobility@lists.xmission.com'" > > If I was Moby that title would say to me, "We like your music but we can do > it better, so you might as well let us take over." Thanks 2 Moby, is clever > and not lick-arsey, it's simple gratitude and tribute, not grovelling or > worshipping. Just respectful. It doesn't kiss ass, it insults in a bizarre > ambiguous kind of way. > Strange, but fair enough! I never thought it was supposed to be done to 'out-do' Moby and insult bizarrely!? Maybe a title less obvious but more subtle like, 'United spirit' (but that might offend people who don't believe we have a spirit?), or 'Global Merge Tribute - Moby', or even 'Tribute - Moby', or something like that!? Okay 'Thanks2Moby' - sorry, thinking out loud! > >>>>> > > TMB > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 23 Sep 1998 10:35:14 -0500 This may be a little late but why don't we just call it: MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II I think it sounds a little more professional. RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:42:48 +0200 > This may be a little late but why don't we just call it: > MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II > I think it sounds a little more professional. I like it, but it should be clearly stated Mobility referres to the mailing list: MOBY-The Mobility Mailing List Remixes Volume II (aka MTMMLRII) or, to shorten a bit.. MOBY-The MML Remixes Volume II P.S.: I hope to get a preliminary FAQ-draft by this Friday or so. -- Jonathan Ruano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 23 Sep 1998 16:18:10 -0700 phathead@flash.net wrote: > > This may be a little late but why don't we just call it: > > MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II > > I think it sounds a little more professional. > > RT I think using the word Mobility in the title is better than Thanks, let's have some more ideas along these lines... paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 23 Sep 1998 22:45:18 -0700 >> MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II Something like this (with Mobility) is definitely good-it shows some more iniative than a simple Thanks.... Rekkit Immobilized ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DUSTIN RAINWATER" Subject: Re: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 23 Sep 1998 22:55:07 -0500 >> MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II I like this idea much better than any of the other suggested titles. I = think that it is definately more professional sounding than "Thanks 2." --Dustin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:16:07 -0400 firstly, i'm sorry that so many of you don't like the names that were submitted earlier. i wish some others were suggested back then when the idea was first tossed up. here's the results of the poll "Thanks 2 Moby" 9 votes "Thanks 2" 7 votes "Thanks Too" 4 votes "Thanks Again" 3 votes "Everytime You Touch Us" 2 votes "Thanks but No Thanks" 2 votes "Thanksgiving" 1 vote so THANKS 2 MOBY wins. NOW, since everyone seems to like "MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II"..... we'll do this. quickly though....you have 24 hours to respond. that means midnite tomorrow (thurs) nite.... tell me which you like better. 1. "Thanks 2 Moby" 2. "MOBY - The Mobility Remixes Volume II" send your vote to me personally at: ryu97@psu.edu this will be the last poll as we have to decide promptly to make sure that the artists have enuff time to design their artwork. thanks for all the responses.... talk to you tomorrow, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) Mobility Remixes Date: 23 Sep 1998 23:31:48 -0500 I hope we can all agree on MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II. I think it's a great title. I have to cast my vote for this. RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: (mobility) RE: THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION Date: 23 Sep 1998 23:49:10 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryu > tell me which you like better. > > 1. "Thanks 2 Moby" > 2. "MOBY - The Mobility Remixes Volume II" > Why not put them together to make: "Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes v.2" That's my vote. BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kingmob83@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 24 Sep 1998 01:37:07 EDT In a message dated 98-09-23 23:57:43 EDT, you write: << >> MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II I like this idea much better than any of the other suggested titles. I think that it is definately more professional sounding than "Thanks 2." >> i most heartily agree. kingmob83 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:53:14 -0600 Brad Caviness wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ryu > > tell me which you like better. > > > > 1. "Thanks 2 Moby" > > 2. "MOBY - The Mobility Remixes Volume II" > > > Why not put them together to make: "Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes v.2" I wanna keep this simple too but I have to agree, I like Brad's suggestion of combining the two titles. Otherwise, I still would revert to: "Thanks 2 Moby" (or) "Thanks II Moby" ... where the latter, even more so, seems to suggest a second volume. Damian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) great suggestion Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:51:35 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:37:07 EDT Kingmob83@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-09-23 23:57:43 EDT, you write: > > << >> MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II > > I like this idea much better than any of the other suggested titles. I think > that it is definately more professional sounding than "Thanks 2." >> > > > i most heartily agree. > kingmob83 > Me too! TMB ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Bull-Hansen Subject: (mobility) Evil Ninja Re-Mix Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:19:51 +0200 Does anyone know of a Moby CD with the Evil Ninja" remix? yup...I got it myself...=) It got remixes of "Everything is Wrong" songs... hmm...what did u really wonder about?..:P -ZombieBobie- http://thelooniesquad.home.ml.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) Evil Ninja Re-Mix Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:00:58 -0600 Christian Bull-Hansen wrote: > Does anyone know of a Moby CD with the > Evil Ninja" remix? > > yup...I got it myself...=) > It got remixes of "Everything is Wrong" songs... I would like to add that I highly recommend this 2CD set. It may be a little pricey in some places, but it's worth every cent. It's a continuous DJ mix of remixes from _Move_ and _Everything Is Wrong_, and it contains a lot of music that you're not likely to have even if you're an avid Moby collector with an enviable collection. Though its actual name is a bit unclear (so you might see it listed as any of several possible names in catalogs), I prefer to call it by its more concise name that is on the spine of the CD case: _Everything Is Wrong - DJ Mix Album_. The front is a red and blue inverse picture of the EIW cover pic, and says _Everything Is Wrong Non-Stop DJ Mix by Evil Ninja Moby_. The "evil ninja" part is just a little joke I guess. I don't know. It probably just sounded cool. Anyways, this is one of Moby's most high-value releases. And besides being a mix of tracks you can find on singles, it also includes some remixes that aren't available anywhere else but on this double album. Get it! =-) Dan [ http://www.moby.org/ ] NP: Moby, _I Like To Score_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION Date: 24 Sep 1998 10:11:16 -0600 Ryu wrote: > tell me which you like better. > > 1. "Thanks 2 Moby" > 2. "MOBY - The Mobility Remixes Volume II" Of the two listed, I prefer #2. But what about making it into a subtitle? Like _Thanks Again: The Mobility Remixes Volume II_. --- Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Cool Moby 7" covers Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:33:39 -0400 I was doing a search the other day when I found a page that used to be a Moby fan page. Now it's the home of 303 dreams, a Canadian techno outfit. I sent a purchase request to them, and the guy answered. His e-mail came in as being from "Moby", and the subject was "Hello!" I was baffled for a short moment, until I opened the mail and read it. -Steve --- Check it out. Pork Guys & Revolver 7" covers http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=32025060 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dredmond@bsumail.idbsu.edu (Daniel Redmond) Subject: (mobility) Re: Titles Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:35:06 -0400 "Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" seems like the best idea...to me anyways. >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:49:10 -0500 >From: "Brad Caviness" >Subject: (mobility) RE: THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ryu >> tell me which you like better. >> >> 1. "Thanks 2 Moby" >> 2. "MOBY - The Mobility Remixes Volume II" >> >Why not put them together to make: "Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes >v.2" > >That's my vote. > >BSC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plovious@juno.com (Michaela S Gerstner) Subject: (mobility) Re: Titles Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:54:57 -0700 wow! everyone is coming up with all these ideas, it's hard to choose. if "Thanks 2 Moby- the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" is too long, well then i vote for "The Mobility Remxies II" on a different subject, i just got BT's Blue Skies pt. I & II and so far i've heard not that much, but i like them. when i get back from my afternoon class, i'll really listen to them. :) has anyone else heard these yet? whatcha think? Blessed Be, Plovious plovious@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) thanks2 Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:19:55 -0700 (PDT) yes i agree with thanks 2 moby---the mobility remixes comp... except... i dont think mine will be a remix...if i do one or two i think it should start with thanks in the title so when i organize it it will go right next to the first one... sorry for being a pain in the ass...bye == "HENS LOVE ROOSTERS GEESE LOVE GANDERS EVERYONE ELSE LOVES..........." >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Titles Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:01:42 -0400 At 12:35 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >"Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" seems like the best idea...to >me anyways. we have to remember though, that this is not only a remix cd. some of us will be doing covers as well. i will see the results of the votes tonite, and decide what to do.... any way around using only the word "remixes"? how about "Thanks to Moby - the Mobility Tribute Vol. 2"? anyone have a gripe with that? or a similar suggestion? bye, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:21:58 -0400 These are a good pair of CDs! The only mixes that fall flat in my opinion are the Deep Dish mixes. Most have an epic type feel to them, and they're generally very uplifting. It took me time to adjust to the radio edit, which is track 1 on both CDs, but now I like it quite a bit. The Delphineum Days mix is the epic of epics. I think Paul Van Dyk's mix is the one w/ "Got my baby back, got my Blue Skies.." I love that one. And the Alien Disco mix is just plain cool. And fun. Enough now. >>BT's Blue Skies pt. I & II >>has anyone else heard these yet? whatcha think? I nabbed the Jon Spencer Emperimental Remixes CD today. Somebody on a turntablism list recommended it to me. It's got mixes by Dub Narcotic, Mario C/Diamond/Beck, u.n.k.l.e., moby, and two dudes from wu-tang. (I'll bet they wouldn't like being called dudes) Besides the obvious I'm looking forward to hearing the Beck & Mario C, mix, their mixes for New Pollution were intriguing. I spelled that wrong, didn't I? Does anybody need an FSR single? You better tell me very quickly, because one mysteriously appeared at Tower and I don't know how long it'll last. As far as EIW singles go, I see ETYTM and BBMH all over, but FSR is a little more reclusive. While I was there I looked in singles and vinyl for OMD, but no luck yet. Are they/he/she big? small? popular? I sumrise they've been around a while based on the Vinyl Vendors search I ran and told you about before... So there's an imprint called Moby Books that does classics like Little Women and David Copperfield and stuff like that... -S ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UHF@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:40:28 EDT number 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) Remixes Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:51:30 -0500 There seems to be a lot of "Tribute" cd's out there. Most artists who do remixes use some of there own sounds to go with the remix. So far I have completed 3 remixes "Bad Days" & "80" from the Ambient cd. And "Say It's All Mine". My tracks are definatly "remixes" and NOT covers. To me the word remixes works perfectly for what we are doing. RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) extra exta read all about it! Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:02:47 -0400 The following was mercilessly ripped off from MTV news: 8.28.98 16:00 EDT New Moby On The Way Moby has released a punky, hip-hop-flavored single in the U.K. called "Honey" from a new Moby album currently in production. The song is also likely to be the lead single from the soundtrack to the movie "Permanent Midnight." That film, out in mid-September, stars Ben Stiller and Janeane Garofalo and is based on the autobiography of drug-addicted TV writer Jerry Stahl. Soundtrack contributors also include Crystal Method, Black Lab, Girls Against Boys, Morcheeba, Prodigy, Spiritualized, Gomez and others. Mute issued "Honey" in Britain this week, but it will only be available as an import in the U.S., as Moby amicably split from Elektra several months back. His managers tell us that the announcement of another deal is imminent and that the new album should be released worldwide in April. The ever-prolific performer will be culling a CD's worth of material from 40 new songs. "Honey" incorporates the vocals from historic field recordings of black music captured in the deep South in the 1930's by folk historian Alan Lomax. It's yet another departure for the artist who has run the gamut from ambient to rock. Moby's last release was "I Like To Score," an album comprised of songs for or inspired by movies and TV shows, including his version of the James Bond theme song, released as a single and also included on the soundtrack to "Tomorrow Never Dies." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric M. Goldberg" Subject: RE: (mobility) thanks2 Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:04:27 -0400 > except... > i dont think mine will be a remix...if i do > one or two Yeah me too, its fine if you name the title with remixes in it, but i dont think mine would be a certified remix.. like what i did with the last thanks comp wasnt a remix, just a sort of different arrangement or version.. the name Mobility remixes Vol II is fine also, but if you technically think about it, there never was a Mobility Remixes Vol I.. Just a "Thanks"... but i dont think the title is our main concern, its what gets put on it. Enough babble from me, Eric gold@netrox.net http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6524 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) Remixes Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:25:52 -0400 At 03:51 PM 9/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >There seems to be a lot of "Tribute" cd's out there. >Most artists who do remixes use some of there own >sounds to go with the remix. So far I have completed >3 remixes >"Bad Days" & "80" from the Ambient cd. >And "Say It's All Mine". >My tracks are definatly "remixes" and NOT covers. >To me the word remixes works perfectly for what we are doing. i am not remixing any of moby's songs....neither is 2 other people who are contributing. what we are doing is cover songs. meaning, we play and rearrange moby songs without using any samples or pieces of the originals. like when moby covers "whip it" by devo. that sort of thing. so calling this a remix cd is not accurate in the least. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) Title Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:59:21 -0500 OK, I'm not trying to start a war. I just suggested a different title because I thought we could use something much better than "thanks for nothin' Moby" or "Thanksgiving". At first it seemed many people liked my idea of "MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II". When I listened to the first "Thanks" cd, I really felt like I was listening to a fine and creative remix cd and not a tribute album. RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) extra exta read all about it! Date: 24 Sep 1998 18:35:23 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Giles > The following was mercilessly ripped off from MTV news: > > 8.28.98 16:00 EDT > New Moby On The Way > Moby has released a punky, hip-hop-flavored single in the U.K. > Did anyone else hear Kurt Loder's voice when you read this article? BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility Remixes Date: 28 Aug 1998 04:43:32 +0000 Mobiltiy remixes is a good title ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: THE TITLE OF THE COMPILATION Date: 28 Aug 1998 04:44:22 +0000 brad's idea is the the best yet combine them clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) FIN! Date: 25 Sep 1998 00:55:52 -0400 everyone, the second vote was way in favor of "thanks - the mobility remixes vol. II". but being that not everyone is doing remixes, i thought it would be best to change it to: "thanks - the mobility mixes vol. II" that should please everyone. so there is the title....tell your friends. i have more to say, but am gonna wait until tomorrow. goodnite all, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rasidel Jedro Slika" Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 title Date: 24 Sep 1998 23:38:36 -0700 >MOBY-The Mobility Remixes Volume II This is vague, and consequently this title raises too many questions, in my opinion: 1. Does it mean that this is a second volume of remixes of the song "Mobility"? 2. Does it mean the tracks are remixes of *original* Moby tracks? 3. Is it remixes of the first compilation's tracks? 4. Was there "The Mobility Remixes Volume I"? Regarding doubt 4, this is going to be a possible concern as long as the title isn't "Thanks 2". In that case, the question "was there 'thanks 1'" is valid. So I'm not sure we can get around that ambiguity, because we do want people to know its the 2nd offering of this sort from this list. Here's an idea of mine: "MOBY - XMISSION Compilation 2" notes: "XMISSION" is another way of saying "mailing list" - and while it is vague, its not vague in a confusing way like "Mobility Remixes Volume II" is. It's vague in an interesting way - it would make someone reading it wonder what was on it, and wonder what "XMISSION" is, and ask about it. Whereas, with "Mobility Remixes", they could just assume it was remixes of the song "Mobility". The word "Compilation" instantly gives the feeling that this has been "put together", that some amount of "compiling" has been done to make this. But also, one could wonder about "XMISSION Compilation 1". For this reason, we could consider adding (Thanks 2) after the title we choose, for example: "XMISSION Compilation (Thanks 2)" And that would clear that doubt. Of course, maybe I'm the only one here who has these concerns, maybe most people won't care about these little things, maybe they'll just pop it in, and say, "oh cool". I am quite the detail-oriented freak, and I can get annoying if provoked. Well, just my thoughts. RRR aka delobbo http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2773 ________________________________________ ||depechemodemobymegadetherasurepetshopboys ||kmfdmcurefront242nitzerebbnineinchnails ||celinedionmarilynmansonu2ministry Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Titles Date: 25 Sep 1998 04:08:23 EDT I have Ima, both Part 1 and part 2 CD Singles and the Blue Skies 2/12" Promo. Unfortunatly, I don't even have a record player, so I can't listen to the Promo albums but the singles are great, even though some songs are directly off Ima. The Paul Van Dyke mixes are really good on PArt 2. In a message dated 9/24/98 7:00:45 PM, plovious@juno.com writes: <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN! Date: 25 Sep 1998 04:13:41 EDT <<"thanks - the mobility mixes vol. II">> I am not trying to be a dick, and too bad for mee I didn't get a chance to check my email till 4 in the morning, but after reading all those suggestions and votes, I don't remember anyone picking that name, especially not the majority. I really think that everyone like this the Mobility.... or whatever version better than the boring and empty Thanks 2. But I think we need to start over. 2 days isn't going to make or break the art, I know I can do mine in a day, but I don't plan on winning. I think we need to talk about this and give suggestions, just not with one person saying one thing and then 10 people agreeing. We make suggestions - list the choice when everyone is happy and has their's up there, and then vote. The end. Otherwise, this could make some people mad and not as enthusiastic as everyone seems to be - especially since everyone was pumped about writing a FAQ and I don't even know what happened to that. God luck. Later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN! Date: 25 Sep 1998 03:10:54 -0700 this post makes the most sense out of all the idea from the last 24 hours.... Let's spend a few more days working on this title, it's not going to make or break the artwork and it's obviously important that we get the title right. As the artowrk goes, I think we will find that we will all have different ideas about that too. Instead of voting yes or no on completed covers, perhaps we could combine the best artwork by finding the best cover, typesetting (font), back cover, etc... design whatever comes to mind and sumbit more than once if you want- creative freedom might help us all make the most out of this project and I think it is important that all that are not involved in the artwork or music should still feel like part of this project by voting for what they think is the best way of doing this. Maybe we will like one person's lettering, but another's background art. paul Spydercorp@aol.com wrote: > > <<"thanks - the mobility mixes vol. II">> > > I am not trying to be a dick, and too bad for mee I didn't get a chance to > check my email till 4 in the morning, but after reading all those suggestions > and votes, I don't remember anyone picking that name, especially not the > majority. I really think that everyone like this the Mobility.... or whatever > version better than the boring and empty Thanks 2. But I think we need to > start over. 2 days isn't going to make or break the art, I know I can do mine > in a day, but I don't plan on winning. I think we need to talk about this and > give suggestions, just not with one person saying one thing and then 10 people > agreeing. We make suggestions - list the choice when everyone is happy and has > their's up there, and then vote. The end. Otherwise, this could make some > people mad and not as enthusiastic as everyone seems to be - especially since > everyone was pumped about writing a FAQ and I don't even know what happened to > that. God luck. Later. > AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN! Date: 28 Aug 1998 12:38:35 +0000 i'm with spyder, killpatient, and delobbo and think one more day of hashing out the title would be good as delobbo brought about some good points. a hybrid incorporating these concepts would be well-advised and i think we an afford the day of delay. clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) Remixes Date: 25 Sep 1998 03:30:55 -0700 phathead@flash.net wrote: > > There seems to be a lot of "Tribute" cd's out there. > Most artists who do remixes use some of there own > sounds to go with the remix. So far I have completed > 3 remixes > "Bad Days" & "80" from the Ambient cd. > And "Say It's All Mine". > My tracks are definatly "remixes" and NOT covers. > To me the word remixes works perfectly for what we are doing. > > RT I can't decide which I want to do, but Ryu siad that tracks with original samples of the recordings might be a problem... so I figured this would be all covers not remixes- the difference being covers are done completely from scratch, with no samples of the original sound recordings. I don't know which I should work on now.... What do all of you think? paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Titles Date: 25 Sep 1998 03:32:51 -0700 Ryu wrote: > > At 12:35 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote: > >"Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" seems like the best idea...to > >me anyways. > > we have to remember though, that this is not only a remix cd. > some of us will be doing covers as well. > > i will see the results of the votes tonite, and decide what to do.... > > any way around using only the word "remixes"? > > how about "Thanks to Moby - the Mobility Tribute Vol. 2"? > anyone have a gripe with that? > or a similar suggestion? > I think that is the best suggestion yet. I vote for that title...but I also think we could take a few more days to decide the best title if any of the art contributors don't object. paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Titles Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:02:33 +0100 (British Summer Time) Actually I agree with Ryu now! TMB On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:01:42 -0400 Ryu wrote: > At 12:35 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote: > >"Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" seems like the best idea...to > >me anyways. > > we have to remember though, that this is not only a remix cd. > some of us will be doing covers as well. > > i will see the results of the votes tonite, and decide what to do.... > > any way around using only the word "remixes"? > > how about "Thanks to Moby - the Mobility Tribute Vol. 2"? > anyone have a gripe with that? > or a similar suggestion? > > bye, > ryu > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** > > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:12:38 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:21:58 -0400 Steve Giles wrote: > While I was there I looked in singles and vinyl for OMD, but no luck yet. > Are they/he/she big? small? popular? I sumrise they've been around a while > based on the Vinyl Vendors search I ran and told you about before... > > Are you referring to Orchestral Manouevres (wow I didn't realise how tricky that was to spell, expecially when the Brits and Yanks spell it differently!)in the Dark (OMD)? If you are then THEY were quite big in the 80s and came out with a few early gems, but they're not my 'cup of tea' - though I don't know all of their stuff that well. TMB > > -S > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 title Date: 25 Sep 1998 09:58:16 -0400 I heard Serena Altshul's voice. :) But I can hear Kurt's, too. Esp. w/ that "punky hip-hop flavor" thingy. As for the title, I don't think we need to worry about confusion. The majority of the comp's audience is on the list, so we all know what's what. The others looking in from outside will know what mobility means exactly because if they order it they'll prolly get some background info on it 1st. They'll know what they're getting, I assume, because if someone outside the list gets it they'll see it at Sho Records where a small description surely will be. But, then again, we must please as many as possible, right? ...and without a voting site we just have a lot of chaotic replies. Despite the appearance of chaos, the votes were tallied even tho they were written to Ryu, to the list, to who knows where else. I think all's fair. Once it's settled I'll do some ltters to accomplany my logo submission. And the beta of the FAQ will be out soon, courtesy of Jonathan Ruano. I listened to the Vibe Tribe mix of Revolution Earth last night, and is sure it strange, weird, unusual, for Moby that is. I like it, but I never in a million would have guessed it was him. (on 1st listen anyway) Very happy schtuffe. steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN! Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:17:46 -0400 >Let's spend a few more days working on this title, >it's not going to make or break the artwork and it's >obviously important that we get the title right. i think that a title is just a title and that the music is what what is most important for this compilation. do you think that moby's gonna say...."hmmm...you know, this music sucks, but HEY,,,WHAT A CLEVER TITLE THEY CAME UP WITH!" i don't give a fudge what the title is at this point. you could call it "2", and that's fine with me. we are wasting a ton of bandwith discussing this, but if everyone wants to try and find a better one that all of us will feel comfortable with, so be it. we can spend as long as you'd like deciding on teh best title for the compilation. make suggestions of new ideas if you have them, or redesign the one we have so far. it would be better for all those on this list that really don't care (which is afew at least) to send the suggestions or revisions to me privately, and then i'll forward them in bulk to the list for approval. thanks, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN! Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:19:40 -0400 >As the artowrk goes, I think we will find that we will all have >different ideas about that too. Instead of voting yes or no on >completed covers, perhaps we could combine the best artwork by finding >the best cover, typesetting (font), back cover, etc... design whatever >comes to mind and sumbit more than once if you want- creative freedom >might help us all make the most out of this project and I think >it is important that all that are not involved in the artwork or >music should still feel like part of this project by voting for >what they think is the best way of doing this. > >Maybe we will like one person's lettering, but another's background art. this will take too long and will be more work than is necessary. i bet you bought cerial based on what prizes were inside didn't you? i'm all for picking different artwork for the cover than the inside or back...letting more than one artist be involved...but goins as far as choosing separate typesetting and backgrounds...that's unnecessary. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric M. Goldberg" Subject: (mobility) title Date: 25 Sep 1998 10:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Honestly, I dont see why were taking so long just to name the thing. It took only one word last time.. "THANKS" And usually when something is released the second time, a second volume, a number is added. So why cant it be simple? Thanks 2 Thanks II, whatever.. continuity is whats best Not this huge long title that will run off the cd spine. By the time we come up with a title, its going to be THANKSgiving! just my humble opinion Eric gold@netrox.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) remixing Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:34:29 -0500 OK, there seems to be some confusion about taking parts of Moby's already recorded songs and remixing them, rearranging them, and adding your own flavor to it as well. Will these remixes not even be allowed on the cd? I think that would be a great mistake. Our last "Thanks" project used parts of Moby's tracks so why can't we now? My latest creation is an updated version of "Drug Fits The Face". I'm sure Moby will understand as it is just part of dance music culture to update older classic tracks. RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dredmond@bsumail.idbsu.edu (Daniel Redmond) Subject: Re: (mobility) extra extra... Date: 25 Sep 1998 12:43:30 -0400 Sorry, I was hearing Serena Altschul (spelling unmercifully butchered.) >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:35:23 -0500 >From: "Brad Caviness" >Subject: RE: (mobility) extra exta read all about it! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Giles >> The following was mercilessly ripped off from MTV news: >> >> 8.28.98 16:00 EDT >> New Moby On The Way >> Moby has released a punky, hip-hop-flavored single in the U.K. >> >Did anyone else hear Kurt Loder's voice when you read this article? > >BSC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Turpin Subject: Re: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD Date: 25 Sep 1998 18:14:35 -0500 >While I was there I looked in singles and vinyl for OMD, but no luck yet. >Are they/he/she big? small? popular? I sumrise they've been around a while >based on the Vinyl Vendors search I ran and told you about before... Some of their big songs were "If You Leave" (used in _Pretty in Pink_), "Enola Gay," and "Dreaming" ("I was only dreaming / I was only trying to catch your eye / I was only wishing you would notice me / instead you said goodbye"). They are/were sort of a minor '80s synthpop band, compared to DM, etc. -- C The C.O.D. John Turpin | O D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Turpin Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 title Date: 25 Sep 1998 18:20:38 -0500 >"MOBY - XMISSION Compilation 2" > notes: "XMISSION" is another way of saying "mailing list" I don't think so. "xmission.com" is the domain name of the ISP that hosts the Mobility list. It'd be like using "AOL" in the name of the comp. -- C The C.O.D. John Turpin | O D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: RE: (mobility) remixing Date: 25 Sep 1998 20:13:00 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: phathead@flash.net > I'm sure Moby will understand as it is just part of dance music > culture to update older classic tracks. > Moby himself is perfectly fine with the release and sampling. DEF and Mute have no objections to us covering or using Moby's music for this tribute. Warner/Chappell are willing to grant clearance (though I've been told it will be time consuming) for mechanical use on any project Moby has agreed to let use his music. MCT and Elektra, however, are another matter. MCT is currently negotiating a new deal for Moby in the United States, and underground projects such as this, can be misconstrued as bootlegging and make a potential label think their possible stake in a new artist is at stake and pass on signing. Elektra are also said to be cool on the idea since the only way they are going to get a return on their investment in Moby now is the sale of his records they have previously released, and unauthorized sampling is seen as a violation of the copyrigts that they own for the United States and a threat to their potential income. And since nothing new will be coming in for them to promote, it isn't worth the manpower to them to authorize clearance on an artist that is no longer signed to the label. Clearance from Mute & Elektra are required for any use, since both labels own an equal share in the recording and distroibution of the music released on both labels. Helpful? BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) remixing Date: 26 Sep 1998 00:47:41 -0400 At 12:34 PM 9/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >OK, there seems to be some confusion about taking parts >of Moby's already recorded songs and remixing them, >rearranging them, and adding your own flavor to it as well. >Will these remixes not even be allowed on the cd? I think >that would be a great mistake. Our last "Thanks" project >used parts of Moby's tracks so why can't we now? i didn't say that you couldn't use samples of moby's tracks. i said that if you didn't tell me they were samples, i'd think they were clever reproductions. do you understand what i'm saying here? wink wink wink... -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) remixing Date: 26 Sep 1998 02:28:16 -0700 My question is if we say- yes there are samples (big ones) is that going to be OK? I was planning on doing something very obvious- a remix medley megamix with lots of Moby songs- but it depends on how many people are doing covers vs. remixes and what kind of problems it might cause. No one really knows the answer.... One thing I would be confused about is when it's just a remix of a Moby song with lots of direct samples then the credits for the song should probably read like this: Moby- Song Title (Mobility Member Remix) Instead of: Mobility Member- Song Title as the cover versions should read. At least that's the way it works for official remixes 99% of the time. How was this handled for Thanks I?? As for the title of the CD, something simple for the spine is fine, but I think there should be some kind of sub-title on the CD cover mentioning "Mobility". I agree "remixes" should not be in the title since many of the submissions will be covers. So it would be "Thanks 2 Moby" with "Mobility's Tribute to Moby" or something like that- I've never once seen a tribute album that didn't have the word "tribute" on it somewhere, and I think it's good to proclaim that it's a tribute. paul Ryu wrote: > > At 12:34 PM 9/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > >OK, there seems to be some confusion about taking parts > >of Moby's already recorded songs and remixing them, > >rearranging them, and adding your own flavor to it as well. > >Will these remixes not even be allowed on the cd? I think > >that would be a great mistake. Our last "Thanks" project > >used parts of Moby's tracks so why can't we now? > > i didn't say that you couldn't use samples of moby's tracks. > i said that if you didn't tell me they were samples, i'd think > they were clever reproductions. do you understand what i'm > saying here? > wink wink wink... > > -ryu > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) OMD Date: 26 Sep 1998 03:11:24 -0700 John Turpin wrote: > > >While I was there I looked in singles and vinyl for OMD, but no luck yet. > >Are they/he/she big? small? popular? I sumrise they've been around a while > >based on the Vinyl Vendors search I ran and told you about before... > > Some of their big songs were "If You Leave" (used in _Pretty in Pink_), > "Enola Gay," and "Dreaming" ("I was only dreaming / I was only trying to > catch your eye / I was only wishing you would notice me / instead you said > goodbye"). They are/were sort of a minor '80s synthpop band, compared to > DM, etc. I had to chime in on this to say I really don't think it's fair to say OMD was a "minor" 80's synthpop band! In fact I believe they were one of the most influential and ground breaking bands of the time with 15 albums starting in 1980 and I'm sure they sold as many albums as Depeche Mode did in the 80's. I'm sure they are easily in the top 5 of most popular 80s synthpop ever. Don't forget about great hits like Electricity, Joan Of Arc, Tesla Girls, So In Love, and Forever (live and die). I remember seeing concert posters from the early 80s where Depeche Mode opened for OMD as opposed to the other way round, until 83 or 84 they were one of the biggest synth groups next to Kraftwerk. I've seen them live 4 times and I personally like thier very early influential stuff the best (1st 3 or 4 albums), I can't wait to hear the Moby remixes though, glad to hear about them. paul > > -- > C The C.O.D. John Turpin > | / \ Ra.MsState.Edu> > O D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Killpatient" Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN! Date: 26 Sep 1998 04:16:02 -0700 Ryu wrote: > > >As the artowrk goes, I think we will find that we will all have > >different ideas about that too. Instead of voting yes or no on > >completed covers, perhaps we could combine the best artwork by finding > >the best cover, typesetting (font), back cover, etc... design whatever > >comes to mind and sumbit more than once if you want- creative freedom > >might help us all make the most out of this project and I think > >it is important that all that are not involved in the artwork or > >music should still feel like part of this project by voting for > >what they think is the best way of doing this. > > > >Maybe we will like one person's lettering, but another's background art. > > this will take too long and will be more work than is necessary. > i bet you bought cerial based on what prizes were inside didn't you? > > i'm all for picking different artwork for the cover than the inside or > back...letting more than one artist be involved...but goins as far as choosing > separate typesetting and backgrounds...that's unnecessary. > > -ryu I metioned it mostly in fairness to the one person who had expressed interest in making a special font or logo without any other art to go with it, so that could be voted on too along with the rest. I guess you are out of luck whoever you are. Of course I bought cerial based on the prizes inside... I also picked all the marshmellow suprises out of the Lucky Charms! paul > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) new title Date: 26 Sep 1998 11:51:53 -0500 Ok, It seems no one wants to use the word remixes in the title. How about : The Altered State of Mobility RT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) r i eep, primus Date: 26 Sep 1998 10:05:50 -0700 (PDT) oh yes i heard some of the new primus cd yesterday on wpkn. well actually today, at midnight. track 2 (dont know title) uses the Laura Palmers Theme progression at one point. but only for a little, and only twice. if you hear it you will know what i mean. i didnt hear the whole cd. its called rhinoplasty (isnt that a south park reference?) and i really like track 3, this jazzy instrumental. also, katy ( the mommy guinea pig) died yesterday. eeeeeeeeeep! so now shes in guinea pig heaven. actually we buried her in the back yard. rest in eep. okay, bye! listentoWPKNtonight!!!!!7:30-???? bye./................. look what i can do!!!! µµµµµµµ == "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect..." -Steven Wright >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MindTrip@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #232 Date: 26 Sep 1998 22:37:36 EDT hello all, i was wondering to what address would i send my art to ? thanx, clintos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #232 Date: 26 Sep 1998 21:54:29 -0500 >hello all, >i was wondering to what address would i send >my art to ? ade@anderson.edu --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) where is everyone's opinion? Date: 27 Sep 1998 00:42:31 -0400 hi all, well, i've only recieved one alternate idea for the title of the compilation. why hasn't anyone else spoken up? it's been days now. what would be the negative consequences if we just revert to what we originally started calling the thing ---> "Thanks 2". nothing more, nothing less. what would that hurt? -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) where is everyone's opinion? Date: 30 Aug 1998 10:03:55 +0000 RYU> call it what you want........ if no one else cares......why should you? thanks 2 is a good title> i think we've all had our say. clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) where is everyone's opinion? Date: 27 Sep 1998 11:59:19 -0700 > what would be the negative consequences >if we just revert to what we originally started >calling the thing ---> "Thanks 2". >nothing more, nothing less. what would that hurt? Mobilized '98!!!! (but Thanks 2 isn't so bad ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey! Date: 27 Sep 1998 12:05:50 -0700 >The BT song Godspeed, the Spiritualized song (cannot think of the name) The Spiritualized song "Take Your Time"; is it a live version? (or is it a fairly quiet song?) Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) thanks 2 Date: 27 Sep 1998 13:46:42 -0400 the compilation will be called "Thanks 2". it's probably the best decision to make rite now that i can see. now, onto step 2! yay! we made it to step 2! we need to decide who is doing which tracks for the comp. it would be nice if each person did a different song. this will also be a good way for me to guage how many definite participants we'll have. so please email me privately with the song (or songs if you are working on more than one rite now) that you will be submitting. if you are doing more than one, please let me know which one you want to submit more than the rest. also, let me know if it will be a remix, a cover, or something totally different altogether.... please try to let me know by tuesday if possible. then once i get all the info, i'll post it to the list to let everyone else know what they can look forward to. adios, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) 1.8.7. Date: 27 Sep 1998 13:48:36 -0400 187 put moby in the "thank you" section of his latest album. this is good... he said "thanks to moby for always having time". they had a few arguments back in the day on the net and have becum pretty good friends now which makes me happy. it's also nice to see moby's name in somebody's "thanks you's" again....he hasn't been there in a while. -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq Subject: Re: (mobility) 1.8.7. Date: 27 Sep 1998 14:29:01 -0500 (CDT) actually, 187 is now a she, not a he. she's the first transexual dj. [xaq] "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop. but i really enjoy thinking." Masafumi Sanai-photographer On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Ryu wrote: > 187 put moby in the "thank you" section of his latest > album. this is good... he said "thanks to moby for > always having time". they had a few arguments back > in the day on the net and have becum pretty good > friends now which makes me happy. > > it's also nice to see moby's name in somebody's "thanks you's" > again....he hasn't been there in a while. > > -ryu > > ************************************************************** > SHO RECORDS > The World's First Non-Profit Record Label > Specializing in Powerful Music > http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 > ************************************************************** > 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu > ************************************************************** > Ryu > 536 Daly Ave. > Baden, PA 15005 > ************************************************************** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) 1.8.7. Date: 27 Sep 1998 17:33:44 -0400 At 02:29 PM 9/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >actually, 187 is now a she, not a he. she's the first transexual dj. hmm....i know that joe used to roll that way, but i thought he gave it up a few years back.... but i guess that explains the credit to "jordana" in the cd insert. i always figured on paulina taylor/kage as being the first transexual dj. i'm sure there were more before then too! -ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jake M." Subject: Re: (mobility) Honey! Date: 27 Sep 1998 15:21:18 PDT > >The Spiritualized song "Take Your Time"; is it a live version? >(or is it a fairly quiet song?) >Jon > It is not the live version (as far as I can tell). It is pretty quite...I really like it though. On a moby note: I think most of the names for the comp. are good. Thanks 2 is nice and simple, but says what we want...well at least in my opionon. Jake -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spydercorp@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Later Dudes Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:09:47 EDT I am leaving for Japan Monday morning, so untill I get on the internet - if ever, I will be gone. I hope you guys do well in this compilation and it is done and you save one for me. Maybe I will find some cool Moby Japanese releases (if there are any?) Check you all later. AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Your Name Subject: Re: (mobility) Later Dudes Date: 31 Aug 1998 04:38:56 +0000 wow i was born there (japan) and spent half my childhood in 3 terms there haven't been in almost 30 years> have fun clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rasidel Jedro Slika" Subject: (mobility) my last post about title Date: 28 Sep 1998 00:02:14 -0700 >I don't think so. "xmission.com" is the domain name of the ISP that hosts >the Mobility list. It'd be like using "AOL" in the name of the comp. I can picture it now: "Moby: the AOL peel sessions", "MOBY: Earthlink Comp". "MOBY's Microsoft Jam", and lastly, but not leastly, "MOBY's Hyperreal Comp". No seriously, I see your point there. And I also agree with the stance that Steve Giles takes, that due to the very exclusive nature of this project, we don't have to worry about confusion. Sorry I got so "into" the title idea; I do also agree that its the music, not the title, that matters. So, good luck to all with your projects!! -RRR aka delobbo --- ________________________________________ ||depechemodemobymegadetherasurepetshopboys ||kmfdmcurefront242nitzerebbnineinchnails ||celinedionmarilynmansonu2ministry Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) my last post about title Date: 31 Aug 1998 16:02:32 +0000 ryu> sorry for not posting this to you personally but i had to redo netscape and lost my addresses somewhere. i'd like to remix honest love and do with vocals (possibly) it's on trophy so is sampling a problem? clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Derek Goodwrench" Subject: Re: (mobility) Evil Ninja Re-Mix Date: 28 Sep 1998 10:08:20 CDT I don't even think I have to bring myself down anymore about the time I skipped buying it to buy EIW. It was 19.95 (plus tax, of course), and it was when I'd just gotten into Moby. I was deciding whether or not to buy EIW, or the remix album and I went with EIW instead. I'm still kicking myself over it. As always, d http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) Re: my last post about title Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:49:11 -0400 >sorry for not posting this to you personally but i >had to redo netscape >and lost my addresses somewhere. no prob. >i'd like to remix honest love >and do with vocals (possibly) >it's on trophy so is sampling a problem? honest love is on both the uk and us versions of "end of everything"....so be careful with the sampling. i'd love to hear that with vocals! later, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) Evil Ninja Re-Mix Date: 01 Sep 1998 07:07:43 +0000 you're stupid for kickin yourself for buying one of moby's most monumental statements of all time i mean we all love the end of everything and all the remixes and personnas and shit but everything is wrong is one of the greatest pieces of modern music EVER constructed in the last 1,856 weeks and it really is MOBY so shut up and listen and stop kickin yourself clay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clay Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: my last post about title Date: 01 Sep 1998 07:10:26 +0000 ryu it's like i either do or don't sample the basic theme> i can distort slow or speed but a sample is a sample\ even on a non-profit label? fuck them! tell me i ain't wastin my time otherwise> clay fuck the industry> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: (mobility) sleepy tuesday, raveworld, lull Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:10:04 -0400 Hey everybody, order xaq's tape, lull. It's got deep bass and intersting melodies. I played it on the way to the movies last night. While that isn't a good setting for it (I recommend playing this at after-hours, or at the end of your day, or while reading Sandman) :) Anytime you're relaxing. Hey Xaq, I'm curious why you call yourself xero products. It's the products part I don't get. Is it part of a bigger picture, merchandising in the future perhaps? It sounds like a company name, not an artist one. And that's better packaging on your demo than I've seen on many commercial releases, and far more creative. Simple, yet very pleasing. I'm putting that xero products sticker on a turntable lid. It's the second to find a home there. The one next to it is a funny little purple and grey sticker. ---/\/\/\/\--- Intellectual property. Interesting, isn't it? How many of us on this list are fans of electronic music? Quite a lot, I think. I go to hyperreal.org for the rave info there. Now there's a new site called raveworld which I've seen advertised in Pulse!, which is Tower records' free music rag. They've got a Moby page up, which claims at the top front to be a raveworld exclusive. Tell me what you think. Raveworld Moby page http://www.raveworld.net/html/body_moby.html Elektra Moby page http://www.elektra.com/ambient_club/moby/moby.html Note where the sound clips point to. These people have no shame and are very likely corporate sponsored. It stinks of suits, I think. Raveworld. That's so generalized. Meant to capture the imaginations of all the junior high soon to be ravers out there. Enough ranting. I'm not insulting junior high students. I was one. ---/\/\/\/\--- I'm trying to decipher the lyrics to Let's Go Free (live). Can anybody help? I just hear Moby screaming w/ lots of f-words thrown in. It's on In Defense Of Animals Vol. 2. Lots of cool stuff there, check it outtt. And if any of you collectors out there see an AWOL record called "Deep Thoughts About The End", it's not the Echo & The Bunnymen wannabe band that Moby was in. It's French punk. Whatever that is. ---/\/\/\/\--- -Steve Giles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) sleepy tuesday, raveworld, lull Date: 29 Sep 1998 17:39:42 +0100 (British Summer Time) What was the Echo and the Bunnymen wannabe band Moby was in? It's quite bizarre that he was influenced by them, when his present music bears almost no resemblance! French punk..what? When did that ever exist? Hard to imagine really...!? TMB On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:10:04 -0400 Steve Giles wrote: > > I'm trying to decipher the lyrics to Let's Go Free (live). Can anybody help? > I just hear Moby screaming w/ lots of f-words thrown in. It's on In Defense > Of Animals Vol. 2. Lots of cool stuff there, check it outtt. And if any of > you collectors out there see an AWOL record called "Deep Thoughts About The > End", it's not the Echo & The Bunnymen wannabe band that Moby was in. It's > French punk. Whatever that is. > ---/\/\/\/\--- > -Steve Giles > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) sleepy tuesday, raveworld, lull Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:46:23 -0400 I can see the influence. Sort of. They're both, y'know, deep into the emotional forest. It's not the sound that's akin, it's the strong emotions. I'm no Echo expert, but I love "The Killing Moon". I haven't listened to the French record yet. But the back cover is a photo of a mosh pit and the song titles (whatever they are) were very angry angst filled swearing type titles. It might be some other type of music that represents youth & rebellion. :) -Steve >>>> TMB wrote: >>>> What was the Echo and the Bunnymen wannabe band Moby was in? It's quite bizarre that he was influenced by them, when his present music bears almost no resemblance! French punk..what? When did that ever exist? Hard to imagine really...!? TMB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) wpkn Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:01:39 -0700 (PDT) hey peeps....i was at wpkn a few days ago and again sunday.... dj extraordinaire davo said he used to dj with moby back in the 80's. he said he (moby) used to play like new wave stuff. i'm not sure whether or not thats a compliment, but its something. he also said lots of the moby stuff at the station got stolen. all they had by him were Move, Move remixes single, ATINITBL single, two FSR Remix singles, and ILTS. maybe theres one more. Well one of these days i'll have to buy a copy of EIW to donate there. speaking of donation, if youd like to make a pledge in any amount, dial (203) 384 9756....oooops...he he...sorry... well anyway wpkn had some other cool stuff, like the album by Y Kant Tori Read (Tori Amos's old band) ON VINYL, Orbital 2 ON VINYL, Aphex's Words and Music promo, KLF's 3am eternal and Chill Out ON VINYL (in fact the only klf they had was on vinyl) and a fucking shitload of MBM, including VINYL, a bunch of Kraftwerk on VINYL, and a bunch of other cool shit. plus they just got the new Chems (not on vinyl, just cd) and the new DJ SPooky, and the new King Missile, and the new Negativland, and a bunch of DeeJay Punk Roc (yes, even on VINYL) and...um, rekkit, i didn't check to see if they had the Option 90 record....;) and of course a whole shitload of other raritys and radio-only promos and such. in fact theres 25,000 cds (almost) and about 40,000 12" vinyl (i didnt count the tapes or the 45's. or the carts...;) and ah yes, the Prodigy "Wind It Up Rewound" single, which is out of print in america, and ive been looking for it. plus they have a practice studio where you can just sit and listen to music all day. AAAAAAAK! sorry for all this non-moby drivel. so, what's up? did anyone send moby those socks for his birthday....;) HAH! okay bye....."I'm not picking my nose, I'm pointing to my brain!" == "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect..." -Steven Wright >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) re: clay Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:22:16 -0700 (PDT) YEAH FUCK THE INDUSTRY!!!!! um....and, uh...if anyone is interested in Aphex twin stickers, or possibly t-shirts or sweatshirts (i said POSSIBLY) someone on the aphex list is doing this, so ya know, jus drop me a line.... bye yall == "I'm not picking my nose, I'm pointing to my brain!" -Dominic Trombetta >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Skipworth Subject: (mobility) techno_gpig@yahoo.com Date: 29 Sep 1998 14:39:58 -0500 WOW I was listening to selected ambient works when i got this email let me know about the stickers please : ) thanks rob Paul Simpson wrote: > YEAH FUCK THE INDUSTRY!!!!! > > um....and, uh...if anyone is interested in Aphex twin stickers, or > possibly t-shirts or sweatshirts (i said POSSIBLY) someone on the > aphex list is doing this, so ya know, jus drop me a line.... > bye yall > == > "I'm not picking my nose, I'm pointing to my brain!" > -Dominic Trombetta > >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Skipworth Subject: Re: (mobility) re: clay Date: 29 Sep 1998 14:42:53 -0500 sorry guys... didn't mean to post to the list --rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) revolver Date: 29 Sep 1998 13:05:28 -0700 (PDT) ...god what does revolver have to do with anything weve been talking about lately??? anyway, at cdnow under mission of burma they have a 30sec ra clip of revolver from the album "horrible truth about burma" or sumpin. well check it out. its real different that moby's. i like mobys better tho. anyone heard the original in full???? bbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeee.........!!!!!!!!!!!!µµµµµµµ == "I'm not picking my nose, I'm pointing to my brain!" -Dominic Trombetta >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) lyrics Date: 29 Sep 1998 16:09:17 -0400 hello all, i know that a while ago there was a site that had the lyrics to moby's "animal rights" material. i'm looking specifically for the lyrics to "someone to love". can someone remind me where those lyrics were or point me in a direction where i can find them? thanks in advance, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) lyrics Date: 29 Sep 1998 16:25:52 -0500 > i know that a while ago there was a site that had >the lyrics to moby's "animal rights" material. i'm looking >specifically for the lyrics to "someone to love". can someone >remind me where those lyrics were or point me in a direction >where i can find them? http://www.moby.org/lyrics/moblyric.txt --Ade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) wpkn Date: 29 Sep 1998 18:17:29 -0700 >and...um, rekkit, i didn't check to see if they had the Option 90 >record....;) and of course a whole shitload of other raritys and Doh! That's alright...did you check to see if they had Option 30? ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) revolver Date: 29 Sep 1998 18:20:10 -0700 >anyway, at cdnow under mission of burma they have a 30sec ra clip of >revolver from the album "horrible truth about burma" or sumpin. well >check it out. its real different that moby's. i like mobys better tho. >anyone heard the original in full???? Yup...If you're having trouble finding it it's available on both "DIY: Mass. Ave-The Boston Scene" which is a punk comp., and "Too Cool For School: Rykodisc Retail Sampler". If you can find the latter, pick it up-there's some cool tracks by Material Issue & Martyn Bennett, as well as sweet remixes by both DJ Spooky and Sub Dub... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Gage (Rekkit)" Subject: Re: (mobility) lyrics Date: 29 Sep 1998 18:24:17 -0700 >http://www.moby.org/lyrics/moblyric.txt And once again, for the record-they're just the product of listening to it over, and over and over again. There's plenty of mistakes ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bill tatalovich Subject: Re: (mobility) revolver Date: 30 Sep 1998 04:15:26 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Paul Simpson wrote: > anyway, at cdnow under mission of burma they have a 30sec ra clip of > revolver from the album "horrible truth about burma" or sumpin. well > check it out. its real different that moby's. i like mobys better tho. > anyone heard the original in full???? Mission of Burma's version of "That's When I Reach For My Revolver" was actually on their first release, called _Signals, Calls, and Marches_ (at least I think it's their first release). I really like MOB's version, even though the production makes it (along with the rest of the album) sound pretty sparse...hence, I like Moby's version a bit more. For that matter, I like the live versions of TWIRFMR done by Sugar and some emo band that I've heard as well. All in all, everyone should try to check out Mission of Burma. They may be old, they may be weirdo punk music, but they're good, they've just recently been re-released on Ryko (w/ extra tracks, meaning I finally got to hear the original version of "Academy Fight Song," which before then I only had an REM cover of it), and they're alphabetically very close to Moby. Take it easy. Bill Tatalovich |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | Home page: | | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) sleepy tuesday, raveworld, lull Date: 30 Sep 1998 10:45:18 +0100 (British Summer Time) On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:46:23 -0400 Steve Giles wrote: > I can see the influence. Sort of. They're both, y'know, deep into the > emotional forest. It's not the sound that's akin, it's the strong emotions. > I'm no Echo expert, but I love "The Killing Moon". Me too, along with 'Lips like Sugar' and 'Over the Wall', amongst others. > > I haven't listened to the French record yet. But the back cover is a photo > of a mosh pit and the song titles (whatever they are) were very angry angst > filled swearing type titles. It might be some other type of music that > represents youth & rebellion. :) > -Steve > Well, it sounds pretty amusing, whatever it turns out to be!? TMB > ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryu Subject: (mobility) THANKS 2 Track Listing (So Far...likely to change) Date: 01 Oct 1998 00:32:26 -0400 hey everyone, here is who is doing what for the comp. of course, it's still early, and this will all probably change. but at least you'll get an idea what's going on. i'm glad that there are only two people who decided to do the same song, and one of them will be a remix and the other a cover. and there are also some great ideas going on here! i'm pretty excited. ok, enuff blabber...here's what we got: Xaq 1. Honey (Remix) 2. Dog Heaven (Remix) Kingmob 1. Everytime You Touch Me (Remix) 2. something from AR.... Andy 1. I Like to Score (Remix) 2. M Four (Remix) Clay 1. Honest Love (Remix) Brian 1. Everything is Wrong + Every Time You Touch Me medley (Cover) Eric 1. Myopia (Other) 2. Blue Terror of Lawns (Other) Adam 1. Into the Blue (Cover) Dr. Killpatient 1. not sure just yet (Cover Ryu 1. Someone to Love (Cover) so that's 9 artists all together! great response! those that have listed 2 songs are doign more than 1 just in case there is extra room. the song listed first is their top priority.... ok, that's it for rite now. see ya'll later, ryu ************************************************************** SHO RECORDS The World's First Non-Profit Record Label Specializing in Powerful Music http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109 ************************************************************** 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu ************************************************************** Ryu 536 Daly Ave. Baden, PA 15005 ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) comp Date: 22 Sep 1998 16:09:55 -0700 (PDT) i think thanks 2 or thanks again is good....... i dont like "everytime you touch us" or whatever..... um...aw crap i forgot everything!! well anyway its rosh hashana so everyone eat some apples and...honey! le shana tovah! and i think there should only be one issue of thanks 2, and re-ishing the first ones a good idea also. any one hear King Missile's new single? its called "Gay/Not Gay" and asa usual its hilarious. its just the lead singer (somethingor other Hall...hay maybe he's related to Moby?) talking about things that are...gay and not gay, over an electronic backing track. and since it was on the radio there was all these weird bleeps and bloops censoring out words every 2 seconds, it was real funny. theres an ad for the album in some magazine and it says...."warning, there are 4513 (or something) words in this album, 50 of which are considered naughty" can't wait till that ones out! probably is already... btw, the new Chems is out today! the mix cd! YAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i heard the first quarter on the radio. its real good. one song samples that same "rock the house" sample used in moby's song RTH, except there's a "Y'all" at tthe end w/ tha chems. well thats highly recommended, and remember, tha brothers gon' work it out.... and friday im goin to the Big E in massachusetts. unfortunately, its not a rave, like the name suggests it is. its some county fair type thing. its gonna suck Oooooooooooo KAyyyyyyyyyyy BYEeeeeeeeeeeeee rock over london, rock over chicago taco bell, make a run for the border np:some old Motown stuff...my moms playing songs by bands were gonna see at this Big E thing....damn... == "HENS LOVE ROOSTERS GEESE LOVE GANDERS EVERYONE ELSE LOVES..........." >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phathead@flash.net Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 track listing Date: 30 Sep 1998 23:48:30 -0500 Cool. I don't want to give to much away but here it goes. -Next Is The E (Next Is The Speed) -Drug Fits The Face (SDi's Abstinence) -Bad Days (Telepathy Teknotika) -Say It's All Mine (SDi's Ozone Mix) This is what I have completed so far. I am in the process of doing a remix of the track "Everything". As I read the last post from Ryu on the track listing of the upcoming CD, I realized how lucky we are to have not only Moby's music, but to be able to express all of our opinions on everything. And to be able to organize such a great thing like this CD. OK Bye Robert