From: mobility-owner@xmission.com To: mobility-digest@xmission.com Subject: mobility Digest V1 #11 Reply-To: mobility@xmission.com Errors-To: mobility-owner@xmission.com Precedence: mobility Digest Wednesday, 26 February 1997 Volume 01 : Number 011 In this issue: Re: (mobility) my local store (mobility) Re: rememba me? Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? (mobility) Re: Liam, king of cosmic ass. Re: (mobility) my local store Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? RE: (mobility) my local store (mobility) remixes [none] (mobility) The Child is Gone (mobility) Reading the chat with a headache. Re: (mobility) remixes (mobility) Three cheers for the list master RE: (mobility) my local store (mobility) remixes (ooops) Re: (mobility) Re: Liam, king of cosmic ass. Re: (mobility) my local s Re: (mobility) my local s [none] See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the mobility or mobility-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: technogod@iceland-c.it.earthlink.net Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:42:32 +0000 Subject: Re: (mobility) my local store > my local store loves animal rights, >>as does everyone i've talked to that is new to moby.<< > i don't really know why so many magazine critics are bashing it. i think they like it because they ARE new to moby and have not heard his early style of music... they might not like him if they knew he was techno... personally, i was not really impressed with AR... i was really disappointed... we can't really force him at gunpoint to turn back to techno... but i'd like a chance at that ;) lee =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= stuck in a floaty whirlpool pondering the meaning of life and checking if a bubble has a soul... -altern 8 ------------------------------ From: John Michael David <01684@UDel.Edu> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:44:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: (mobility) Re: rememba me? personally, animal rights sucks. i cant understand how anyone who ever liked moby can tolerate this shit. animal rights is garbage. i wish moby would stop wining and start making good techno. i had a good conversation with him tonite on sonicnet. every other asshole (probably everone on this mailing list) was sucking his dick hard. it seemed like i was the only one who new anything about techno. most people posed very "important" questions such as: "Moby, can i call you tonite?"--what abunch of pussies. as far as i am concerned, moby is dead. moby is nothing without techno. he is a little bald bastard with a soulpatch on mtv. i wanna tell you something, ryu. first, get a real fucking name. we're not playing street fighter, buddy. i dont know where your stupid store is, but if that many people like animal rights than you must be living in fagtowne. if you want to listen to punk, listen to real punk, not garbage. call me echo. ------------------------------ From: MOBYchild@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:50:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? a bit bitter arent we? was it or was it not you who called MOBY one of the worst aritsts around? i remember you insultingg him blatently and causing the room to lose identity as a moby chat. i think you can go to hell--and take your stupid ass comments with you call me VoodooChild, VoodooKid, and Liam of the cosmos and beyond ------------------------------ From: John Michael David <01684@UDel.Edu> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:00:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: (mobility) Re: Liam, king of cosmic ass. Voodoochild-get a real fucking name, dont steal moby's. your nothing. i'll kick your ass into the cosmos. i never said moby was one of the worst artists around-there is much worse than him. i caused the room to lose identity? sorry if i didnt suck his ass like everyone else? whay, cant moby take some "constructive criticism", like he gave to urb magazine concerning how bad the techno scene is. i bet you would suck his dick if he asked you to. echo. ------------------------------ From: John Michael David <01684@UDel.Edu> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:06:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (mobility) my local store On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 technogod@iceland-c.it.earthlink.net wrote: > > > my local store loves animal rights, > > >>as does everyone i've talked to that is new to moby.<< > > > i don't really know why so many magazine critics are bashing it. > > i think they like it because they ARE new to moby and have not heard > his early style of music... they might not like him if they knew he > was techno... > > personally, i was not really impressed with AR... i was really > disappointed... we can't really force him at gunpoint to turn back to > techno... but i'd like a chance at that ;) > > lee your right boss. it seems like your the only one besides me who knows whats up. these people just like it because moby, not because its good (because it is dissapointing). they'll like anything with moby's name on it (or even one of his pseudonyms). ------------------------------ From: Don Quixote Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:29:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? george michael david jones wrote: >personally, animal rights sucks. i cant understand how anyone who >ever liked moby can tolerate this shit. animal rights is garbage. i wish >moby would stop wining and start making good techno. i'm sure you're not the only one with that opinion. lots of people feel the same as you. that's fine, but you have to remember that you are not moby. if you don't like his guitar based stuff, then don't buy it. there's plenty of other techno makers out there to choose of. stop whining and start unsubbing. >every other asshole >(probably everone on this mailing list) was sucking his dick hard. it >seemed like i was the only one who new anything about techno. most people >posed very "important" questions such as: "Moby, can i call you >tonite?"--what abunch of pussies. i can believe that. people always seem to blow good opportunities to ask meaningful questions like that. >as far as i am concerned, moby is dead. >moby is nothing without techno. he is a little bald bastard with a >soulpatch on mtv. all i can say is if you don't like moby anymore...fine. don't buy his stuff. don't hang around a moby mailing list. and quit bitching. go watch amp on mtv to see some techno on mtv. >i wanna tell you something, ryu. first, get a real fucking name. >we're not playing street fighter, buddy. i'm so excited! this is my first flame on this list! I LOVE BEING FLAMED! it makes me feel so alive and invigorated. especially when it cums from somebody like this! i'll change my name from now on just to make your existance a little less painful for you. >i dont know where your stupid >store is, but if that many people like animal rights than you must be >living in fagtowne. if you want to listen to punk, listen to real punk, >not garbage. fagtowne? can't say i've been there. perhaps you otta go there once in a while to get that chunk of wood pulled out of your buttocks. dude. real punk? real techno? describe these terms to me. i don't consider moby's guitar stuff to be punk. or death metal, or anything else. i don't want to listen to something that is "real" or "pure" or "totally" one thing or another. i like hybrid artists like moby. >call me echo. "if i can call you echo, the echo when you call me, you can caaaaall meeeee ryuuuuu" love, ken 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> "BE A MAN, ACT CUTE AND FLIRTY AND GET IT OVER WITH. YOU HAVE THE FLU AND SHE IS THE SHOT THAT WILL MAKE YOU BETTER IT MAY HURT BUT..." - Mark Gluth 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> Ryu * ryu97@twd.net * 814-238-3171 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> <+)0 0(+> ------------------------------ From: "michelle." Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:33:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? Cc: John Michael David, or, "echo": > personally, animal rights sucks. i cant understand how anyone who > ever liked moby can tolerate this shit. animal rights is garbage. i wish > moby would stop wining and start making good techno. i had a good > conversation with him tonite on sonicnet. every other asshole > (probably everone on this mailing list) was sucking his dick hard. it > seemed like i was the only one who new anything about techno. most people > posed very "important" questions such as: "Moby, can i call you > tonite?"--what abunch of pussies. as far as i am concerned, moby is dead. > moby is nothing without techno. he is a little bald bastard with a > soulpatch on mtv. > i wanna tell you something, ryu. first, get a real fucking name. > we're not playing street fighter, buddy. i dont know where your stupid > store is, but if that many people like animal rights than you must be > living in fagtowne. if you want to listen to punk, listen to real punk, > not garbage. first i want to say, who the hell are you, anyway? its one thing to have an opinion, but utter slander is a completely different thing. not only did you rip up moby's shit, but some fellow fan's, too. i think that is a bunch of crap. "moby is dead." what is that about? "he should stop whining and make some real techno." you really think he should give up his beliefs and make what people (like YOU) would like? hmm... sounds like the kind of _selling_out_ that a "real" punk would NEVER do... tsk tsk... "echo." i like moby's music. thats why im on this mailing list. ive read the inside of the Everything is Wrong cover, and, as you probably know its all about the "bunch of crap" youre speaking of, animals rights, among other things. Moby's beliefs. and whether you want to believe that they have any validity whatsoever, its just a statement. its not being forced, its more like a humble request. from Move: "There are viable (and usually better) alternatives to the use of animals for food, sport, clothing, & experimentation. i beg {NOTE THIS PART} you to discontinue any actions that might cause or condone animal torture, abuse, or destruction." -- Moby. believe what you want to believe man, but leave room for everyone else. michelle. - -- -- - -- --- - ---- .O> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:32:45 -0800 Subject: RE: (mobility) my local store John Michael David[SMTP:01684@udel.edu] wrote: > your right boss. it seems like your the only one besides me who knows > whats up. these people just like it because moby, not because its good > (because it is dissapointing). they'll like anything with moby's name on > it (or even one of his pseudonyms). I'll be honest with you, I was totally disappointed with Animal Rights at first but I've grown to like it after about 2 listens. It took me a month just to listen to it again. I like punk rock so this 'rock' jump isn't a huge shocker for me, I just wasn't into the style. The only song that I think is crap is "My Love Will Never Die". The other songs are brilliant. Just to let you know, I have A LOT of his Techno stuff and I prefer EIW: Mixed and Remixed to AR, but it's still brilliant stuff. Just listen to it a few more times with a not-so-negative attitude and enjoy the music... Shaun - -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ From: jeff Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 01:43:44 -0500 Subject: (mobility) remixes Samu Heinonen asked: >What is best remix from other artist of Moby's song? >i think it is >Into the blue (Uplifting 4 beat mix) by Dj Seduction... personally, i'd have to say ny favorite remix is the "into the blue (into the blues remix)"...thank you.. - -jeff ****************************************************************** Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left Cleveland at 6:36pm traveling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at 4:19pm at a speed of 35 mph. ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Damian@xmission.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:33:28 -0700 Subject: [none] Subject: - --Re: (mobility) Re: rememba me? i know that we all are upset by this morons letter...mabye we can just ignore him...whoever runs this list might be nice enuff to kick him off...i dont feel that i shouold have to unsubscribe to avoid this narrow-minded bitch. mabye he sent that just to piss us off...? mabye he sent it to make up for his small penis? mabye we shouldnt care! the renegade robot Liam of the cosmos and beyond ------------------------------ From: Damian@xmission.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:51:05 -0700 Subject: (mobility) The Child is Gone Well, the posts from John Michael David were quite a surprise. And of course inappropriate. So yes, he is gone from this list and I will be sending him an email letting him know that he is NEVER welcome back. Sheesh, two disappointments in one night... first having to miss the chat because of work, then I'm greeted with this guys childish posts. Oh well, there's always one out there. If he returns I will have to put the list into an 'approve subscribe' mode until I get a permanent ban on him and hopefully kicked from his current ISP. Sorry I couldn't get to him quicker. Okay, so anything in particular that the list should know? Please share. How many people were able to attend? I'm sure there will be a transcript but does anyone have anything planned for their own web pages? Okay, I guess that's enough from me. - -- ** Please update any links or references to my old account. ** Formerly damian@aros.net at http://www.aros.net/~damian ** ** damian@xmission.com ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/ ------------------------------ From: Damian@xmission.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 02:41:24 -0700 Subject: (mobility) Reading the chat with a headache. Well, I just spent the past hour or so reading the transcript. First of all my mind has melted and I have a terrible headache. So after this I'm going to go and take some drugs and go to bed. But first, here are some thoughts... Had I not read the transcript I would never allow 'echo' back again. But now I have an understanding of what his attitude is all about. I will most likely allow him back if he can learn to respect others. He can express whatever he likes, but causing a flame war and disrespect won't be allowed on this list. So when he gets over that... he'll be allowed to come back (I will be letting him know this). Disagree/Agree? Then write me personally and let me know. Thanks. Next. Whoa!!! That seemed like a pretty chaotic chat. Especially because of the other group that was suppose to show up. Grrr, who messed that up? Next. Please don't post the transcript to the list! Hopefully it won't be allowed to go through considering the size. But don't try it, just go to http://awk.campus.vt.edu/~awk/moby-chat.txt or something else instead. I found this link on Daniel's site (http://www.hyperreal.com/music/artists/moby/news.html). There's more that I could probably mention but my head is falling off so I'll catch you all tomorrow. p.s. thanks to all those who mentioned the MOBILITY mailing list. :) - -- ** (goodnight) ** damian@xmission.com ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/ ------------------------------ From: eric weiss Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:15:47 -0800 Subject: Re: (mobility) remixes I agree.. Into the blue remix... but then again I am also a fan of Jon Spencer - -- Eric Weiss Epicentre Productions eric_w@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4255/ http://pages.prodigy.com/acropolis/moby.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4255/MobyIcon.zip "If you were god what would upset you more, bare breasts on t.v. or the destruction of healthy and beautiful eco-systems?" -Moby ------------------------------ From: eric weiss Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:18:23 -0800 Subject: (mobility) Three cheers for the list master well i know how tough it can be to run a mailing list and how much time it must take and I must applaude Damian for getting rid of that jerk in such a quick manner. - -- Eric Weiss Epicentre Productions eric_w@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4255/ http://pages.prodigy.com/acropolis/moby.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4255/MobyIcon.zip "If you were god what would upset you more, bare breasts on t.v. or the destruction of healthy and beautiful eco-systems?" -Moby ------------------------------ From: technogod@sweden-c.it.earthlink.net Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:51:58 +0000 Subject: RE: (mobility) my local store > > your right boss. it seems like your the only one besides me who knows > > whats up. these people just like it because moby, not because its good > > (because it is dissapointing). they'll like anything with moby's name on > > it (or even one of his pseudonyms). > > I'll be honest with you, I was totally disappointed with Animal > Rights at first but I've grown to like it after about 2 listens. It took > me a month just to listen to it again. I like punk rock so this > 'rock' jump isn't a huge shocker for me, I just wasn't into the style. > the first time i heard "new dawn fades" on the "feeling so real remixes", the first thing i thought of was "this kid should remain silent..." he's not that good of a singer, and i was hoping his music wouldn't turn to what it is now... i know new dawn is a remake of joy division, but still... i liked his music MUCH better when it was techno... > The only song that I think is crap is "My Love Will Never Die". > The other songs are brilliant. i'll have to listen to it fully to let you know my least favorite... > Just to let you know, I have A LOT of his Techno stuff and I > prefer EIW: Mixed and Remixed to AR, but it's still brilliant stuff. > > Just listen to it a few more times with a not-so-negative attitude > and enjoy the music... i've been a moby fan for years... ever since i first got "early underground"... i've loved his music... i guess it's what i've gotten so used to him making... it was a disappointing surprise to hear AR and find out from spin magazine he wasn't doing techno anymore... and as brutal as echo was with his comments about moby, i kinda had to agree... he should stick with what he does best... techno... lee =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= stuck in a floaty whirlpool pondering the meaning of life and checking if a bubble has a soul... -altern 8 ------------------------------ From: jeff Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:59:30 -0500 Subject: (mobility) remixes (ooops) earlier today i wrote: > Samu Heinonen asked: >>What is best remix from other artist of Moby's song? >>i think it is >>Into the blue (Uplifting 4 beat mix) by Dj Seduction... >personally, i'd have to say ny favorite remix is the "into the blue (into the blues >remix)"...thank you... i was looking @ the wrong into the blue cd, what i meant to say is my favorite remix is: "into the blue (summer wind mix)"...it's just very laid back, mellow, etc...um...that's all... - -jeff ****************************************************************** Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left Cleveland at 6:36pm traveling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at 4:19pm at a speed of 35 mph. ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: matthew james smith Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:15:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Liam, king of cosmic ass. On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, John Michael David wrote: > Voodoochild-get a real fucking name, dont steal moby's. your nothing. > i'll kick your ass into the cosmos. i never said moby was one of the > worst artists around-there is much worse than him. i caused the room to > lose identity? sorry if i didnt suck his ass like everyone else? whay, > cant moby take some "constructive criticism", like he gave to urb magazine > concerning how bad the techno scene is. i bet you would suck his dick if > he asked you to. > echo. Hey Man You need to chill out. This is not a list for personal vendetta. I don't reply to the list too often, but what you are doing is downright fucked. Who the fuck are you to start talking shit to people on this list. We are on this list for a reason. Clearly you don't understand this reason. Because if you did understand, you wouldn't be getting yourself off by slamming the people here. You are probably some shelled up computer nerd who feels that the touch of a keyboard gives you power and identity. You call yourself echo because you have no soul, and your innerself is nothing but hollow emptiness. You also have too much free time. Otherwise you wouldn't spend it bashing our group....mjs ------------------------------ From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:24:58 -0500 Subject: Re: (mobility) my local s -=> Quoting Int:mobility@xmission.com to Fishlips <=- In> your right boss. it seems like your the only one besides me who knows In> whats up. these people just like it because moby, not because its In> good (because it is dissapointing). they'll like anything with moby's In> name on it (or even one of his pseudonyms). Kind of a broad generalization there..don't you think??? Yes..I did buy AR cuz it did have Moby's name on it..but I bought it w/ some reservations.. Never hearing Moby do a pure rock/punk song...I wasn't sure what to expect.. As for liking anything w/ Moby's name on it..just ask a few ppl what they think about the Lopez singles...Until I hear differently(unfortunatly I didn't get the answer I wanted at last night's chat)..I'm still going to hold to my opinion that those tracks are his way of showing the world what a lot of "techno" has become..repetitive and w/out feeling. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ryan Taylor Email Addy's: Fishlips@ahbqs.com Rtaylor@varney.idbsu.edu Website: www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm "People suing ski areas should be shot" --Scot Schmidt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------ From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:24:52 -0500 Subject: Re: (mobility) my local s -=> Quoting Int:mobility@xmission.com to Fishlips <=- In> personally, i was not really impressed with AR... i was really In> disappointed... we can't really force him at gunpoint to turn back to In> techno... but i'd like a chance at that ;) In> lee Well..considering Moby did give his "supposed" address in NY...you could go up to him..put a gun to his head...and force him to do "techno"...But hopefully you see it from my side...I'd rather see him happy and making rock/punk music...than having to feed the masses what they want...Besides... he hasn't let the Voodoo Child in him die..even though that's more ambient.. it's still "techno" :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ryan Taylor Email Addy's: Fishlips@ahbqs.com Rtaylor@varney.idbsu.edu Website: www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm "People suing ski areas should be shot" --Scot Schmidt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------ From: DAVIESA@uwplatt.edu Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:08:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [none] From: IN%"mobility@xmission.com" 26-FEB-1997 13:43:55.18 To: IN%"mobility@xmission.com" CC: Subj: RE: (mobility) my local s Return-path: Received: from mail.xmission.com by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V5.1-5 #17356) with ESMTP id <01IFVGVF2JI8BL7410@uwplatt.edu> for DAVIESA; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:43:46 CST Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by mail.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id MAA08936; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail.xmission.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:24:29 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) id MAA08405 for mobility-goout; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from ahbqs.com ([207.70.9.2]) by mail.xmission.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id MAA08334 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from MHS by ahbqs.com with MHS id AMBIDKAJ ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:25:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:24:58 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: Re: (mobility) my local s Sender: owner-mobility@xmission.com To: mobility@xmission.com Reply-to: mobility@xmission.com Message-id: -=> Quoting Int:mobility@xmission.com to Fishlips <=- In> your right boss. it seems like your the only one besides me who knows In> whats up. these people just like it because moby, not because its In> good (because it is dissapointing). they'll like anything with moby's In> name on it (or even one of his pseudonyms). Kind of a broad generalization there..don't you think??? Yes..I did buy AR cuz it did have Moby's name on it..but I bought it w/ some reservations.. Never hearing Moby do a pure rock/punk song...I wasn't sure what to expect.. As for liking anything w/ Moby's name on it..just ask a few ppl what they think about the Lopez singles...Until I hear differently(unfortunatly I didn't get the answer I wanted at last night's chat)..I'm still going to hold to my opinion that those tracks are his way of showing the world what a lot of "techno" has become..repetitive and w/out feeling. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ryan Taylor Email Addy's: Fishlips@ahbqs.com Rtaylor@varney.idbsu.edu Website: www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm "People suing ski areas should be shot" --Scot Schmidt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------ End of mobility Digest V1 #11 ***************************** To subscribe to mobility Digest, send the command: subscribe mobility-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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