From: mobility-owner@xmission.com (mobility Digest) To: mobility-digest@xmission.com Subject: mobility Digest V1 #30 Reply-To: mobility@xmission.com Sender: mobility-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: mobility-owner@xmission.com Precedence: mobility Digest Saturday, April 12 1997 Volume 01 : Number 030 In this issue: (mobility) REQ: lyrics Re: (mobility) go ahead! Re: (mobility) go ahead! (mobility) shows Re: (mobility) album o' the year (mobility) Noise Ratio Re: (mobility) album o' the year Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) go ahead! Re: (mobility) go ahead! Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright / p.s. Re: (mobility) go ahead! Re: (mobility) Copyright Re: (mobility) Copyright [none] (mobility) copy Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio Re: (mobility) copy Re: (mobility) copy Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio (mobility) update Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio Re: (mobility) album o' the year? (mobility) i understand... (mobility) "Hypecadet" [none] See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the mobility or mobility-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:36:43 -0400 From: "Hegner, Jeanne" Subject: (mobility) REQ: lyrics I am looking for the lyrics to "That's When I Reach for My Revolver." Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 06:27:42 PDT From: Aaron Ackerson Subject: Re: (mobility) go ahead! Chilidiba9@aol.com wrote: >does anyone know when Moby will be officially touring in the U.S. >cos = it's >really making me mad that he hasn't started yet and my nipples are >beco= ming >specially aggravated by his tardiness...but there is nothing i can do = >and all >i need to say to my nipples is, "Patience, my sons....if u wait, he will >come"....i don't know. On Modern Rock Live he said, "Probably their gonna force me to tour from = April until August, I think." It's already April. We probably won't have to wait to long. Aaron Ackerson Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6593/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:00:13 -0500 (CDT) From: bluegirl Subject: Re: (mobility) go ahead! Aaron Ackerson said: >On Modern Rock Live he said, "Probably their gonna force me to tour from >April until August, I think." >It's already April. We probably won't have to wait to long. yeah!!!!! this news makes me very very happy cause it will be a lot easier for me to see him over the summer than to see him during the fall (cause of school) oh! i got the A.P issue with the Danzig vs. Moby article. its really quiet interesting... they are not as different as one might think them to be... *----*bluegirl*-------------------------------------* *-"You get what everybody gets, you get a lifetime"-* *------------------|Death|--------------------------* ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:36:23 -0500 (CDT) From: ".xAQ_" Subject: (mobility) shows just a quick note to anyone in the minneapolis area: the chemical brothers are playing at first ave. on the 27th. i got my ticket today and am going with about six other people. woo hoo! the new album rocks!! moby tie-in...first ave. is the same club where i saw moby in 95. it was one of the best shows (second only to marilyn manson, who i've seen there twice and once at roy wilkins) i've been to. also, i'm going to see U2 in october (!!!) at the metrodome. i've heard that rage against the machine is opening, so i'm planning to get there late. - -xaq- WHOisTHISdooinTHISsyntheticTYPEalphaBETApsychadellicFUNKIN? the shack of xaq-103.3fm KUMD-tuesdays 10pm-trance/happy hardcore/dance "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." "are ya done squeezing me yet?" <-ranma 1/2-> <-moby-> "women love all that rubber." <-some guy on red green-> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:23:07 -0700 From: keri schaeffer Subject: Re: (mobility) album o' the year Aaron Ackerson wrote: Sinjin wrote: >> is holding up messages or NOONE said you had to like moby...AND i dont see >> how depeche modes cd relates to MOBY, by-and-by-the-way. >> [snip] >have we lowered ourselves to pointing fingers and going on a >"Crucible"-esque "Your honor, I fear that citizen A mentions >subjects >that do not contain the holy name of Moby. Perhaps he worships >Satan?" >witch hunt. sheesh. stop with the damn whining. I think you're missing the point. It would be no more appropriate to say "DM's new album is gonna suck" than it would be to say "DM's new album is gonna rule". And it doesn't matter whether or not you like Moby or his work, but this is a Moby list, not a DM list. Personally though, I don't mind people mentioning what non-Moby CDs they like. Aaron Ackerson Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6593/ i haven't posted for awile since the crack about not posting moby info and since i don't live with the man i don't have much to say. i just wished i was back in san francisco where they play alot more hardcore and techno that you all talk about. the local radio( be as good as it is) always plays the same stuff over & over.just like me! i still vote for: 1. U2 "pop" 2.moby "animal rights" 3. live "secret...." and that's all folks. i do hope moby would tour since rem has no intentions of doing so. kls ps. anybody going to u2? (sorry i had to ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 21:46:25 -0600 From: damian@xmission.com Subject: (mobility) Noise Ratio Hello, I'm writing concerning the recent state of the list. It seems that we have strayed off topic many times in the past week or two. I'm personally requesting that everyone keep in mind that the list is for the discussion of Moby. I understand that it's easy to stray off topic but at the same time it's easy to take the discussion off the list if it doesn't belong. Most important: Responses directed to specific individuals need to be sent to the specific email account and not to Mobility's address! I will most certainly appreciate everyone's help in this matter. Thanks. And just remember... > THE GOLDEN RULES > ---------------- > > 1. Please keep the discussion on the list confined to that > revolving around Moby, his record label Trophy, and the pseudonyms > thereof. For example, while Aphex Twin may be a great artist, most > members of the list don't really care since it's not related to Moby. - -- ** damian@xmission.com ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:42:54 -0700 From: eric weiss Subject: Re: (mobility) album o' the year i see no problem with non-moby posts as long as they have a tiny bit of relavance (music, environment) or if the poster feels that other people would enjoy the info... i took the reverand horton heat discussion to private because there is probably a small minority (is that being redundant?) of you out there also indulge in rock-a-billy (you really should give it a chance btw) anyway i will type out a little paragraph blurb on Mobys appearance in Austin, TX during SXSW (south by southwest: a big music conferance and bonanza of live shows) tonight... talk to y'all then - -- Eric Weiss Epicentre Productions eric_w@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4255/ http://pages.prodigy.com/acropolis/moby.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4255/MobyIcon.zip "If you were god what would upset you more, bare breasts on t.v. or the destruction of healthy and beautiful eco-systems?" -Moby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:28:30 -0400 From: "Sinjin" Subject: Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC4591.91525DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take me off the list your intolerantness. No band merits discussion = censorship. and since i seem to be causing much of your problems... Sinjin ---- From: damian@xmission.com To: mobility@xmission.com Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 11:58 PM Subject: (mobility) Noise Ratio Hello, I'm writing concerning the recent state of the list. It seems that we have strayed off topic many times in the past week or two. I'm personally requesting that everyone keep in mind that the list is for the discussion of Moby. I understand that it's easy to stray off topic but at the same time it's easy to take the discussion off the list if it doesn't belong. Most important: Responses directed to specific individuals need to be sent to the specific email account and not to Mobility's address! I will most certainly appreciate everyone's help in this matter. Thanks. And just remember... > THE GOLDEN RULES > ---------------- > > 1. Please keep the discussion on the list confined to that > revolving around Moby, his record label Trophy, and the pseudonyms > thereof. For example, while Aphex Twin may be a great artist, most > members of the list don't really care since it's not related to Moby. - -- ** damian@xmission.com ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/ - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC4591.91525DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Take me off the list your intolerantness. No band merits discussion=20 censorship. and since i seem to be causing much of your problems...

 

Sinjin

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From: damian@xmission.com
To: mobility@xmission.com
Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 11:58 PM
Subject: (mobility) Noise Ratio

Hello,

I'm writing concerning the recent state of the list.  It seems that = we
have strayed off topic many times in the past week or two.  I'm
personally requesting that everyone keep in mind that the list is = for
the discussion of Moby.  I understand that it's easy to stray off = topic
but at the same time it's easy to take the discussion off the list if = it
doesn't belong.

Most important:  Responses directed to specific individuals need to = be
sent to the specific email account and not to Mobility's address!


I will most certainly appreciate everyone's help in this matter.
Thanks.  And just remember...  <G>

> THE GOLDEN RULES
> ----------------
>
> 1.  Please keep the discussion on the list confined to = that
> revolving around Moby, his record label Trophy, and the = pseudonyms
> thereof.  For example, while Aphex Twin may be a great artist, = most
> members of the list don't really care since it's not related to = Moby.

- --
** damian@xmission.com
** http://www.xmission.com/~damian= /
 - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC4591.91525DC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:11:53 -0500 From: joeclark@interlog.com (Joe Clark) Subject: (mobility) Copyright >>i was wondering if anyone has about 200 mbs of free space to net.. i need >>it. because i am thinking to start maintain mp3 site with some rare techno >>songs from artists like Moby, The Prodigy and i also would like put some >>rare finnish techno to in it. i am only dreaming , but anyway.. =) > >Samu, what do you want to do? I already have a collection of my own and I >have an ethernet connection and ftp server that I can run. I don't have >much free space, but I can fix that real fast ;-). I could try to run a >moby ftp site if people could send me the files. This plan amouts to naked premeditated theft of intellectual property. Apart from being morally wrong and illegal in Finland and the U.S., it hurts real people, like the artists whose royalties you are denying them. I know, I know, copyright isn't like murder. It's one of those laws you can ignore (as we know, some laws are so horribly unjust, or, as in the case of copyright, inconvenient, that they can only be ignored), or at least fob off on someone else to worry about. Copyright is always someone else's problem. This, of course, is the attitude of people who haven't had their livelihoods eliminated due to copyright infringement, as I have (see /career.html at my Web site). It's the attitude of those who believe that information never has an owner, and that something as readily copyable as bits on a compact disc can and should be copied to the fullest extent possible everywhere irrespective of legality or consequences. If, on the other hand, you secure written permission from the copyright holders (including the holders of music-publishing rights-- often a separate entity) in advance, go right ahead. You *were* planning on taking that step, weren't you? Weren't you? Joe Clark joeclark@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:33:17 +0300 (EDT) From: Samu Heinonen Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright i just wanted to say this: fuck you all motherfuckers with those copyrights. i know that i am doing wrong. but i dont care about it. and if i heard some really good song, i will buy it from store. i am only exspecially looking that kind of stuff what you cannot find from anyking of store.. i am not taking any money from other people songs like some bootleg sellers. i do this when i can: i download song, if i like it i will buy it from some store. if i cannot find it from any store, i just dont care about copyrights. =) +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Samu | | Heinonen | | e-mail:samuhei@dlc.fi | | Finland | | http://www.dlc.fi/~samuhei | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:38:09 -0700 From: keri schaeffer Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright Joe Clark wrote: >>i was wondering if anyone has about 200 mbs of free space to net.. i need >>it. because i am thinking to start maintain mp3 site with some rare techno >>songs from artists like Moby, The Prodigy and i also would like put some >>rare finnish techno to in it. i am only dreaming , but anyway.. =) > >Samu, what do you want to do? I already have a collection of my own and I >have an ethernet connection and ftp server that I can run. I don't have >much free space, but I can fix that real fast ;-). I could try to run a >moby ftp site if people could send me the files. This plan amouts to naked premeditated theft of intellectual property. Apart from being morally wrong and illegal in Finland and the U.S., it hurts real people, like the artists whose royalties you are denying them. I know, I know, copyright isn't like murder. It's one of those laws you can ignore (as we know, some laws are so horribly unjust, or, as in the case of copyright, inconvenient, that they can only be ignored), or at least fob off on someone else to worry about. Copyright is always someone else's problem. This, of course, is the attitude of people who haven't had their livelihoods eliminated due to copyright infringement, as I have (see /career.html at my Web site). It's the attitude of those who believe that information never has an owner, and that something as readily copyable as bits on a compact disc can and should be copied to the fullest extent possible everywhere irrespective of legality or consequences. If, on the other hand, you secure written permission from the copyright holders (including the holders of music-publishing rights-- often a separate entity) in advance, go right ahead. You *were* planning on taking that step, weren't you? Weren't you? Joe Clark joeclark@interlog.com it seems to me 200 mbs is alot of "free space".my ip only gives us 10 mbs for a page and that would create alot of pages. how long does it take to download one of these? and according to joe isn't this wrong? enquiring minds want to know? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:11:57 +0100 From: Col Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright At 05:33 PM 4/10/97 +0300, you wrote: >i just wanted to say this: >fuck you all motherfuckers with those copyrights. i know that i am doing >wrong. but i dont care about it. and if i heard some really good song, i >will buy it from store. i am only exspecially looking that kind of stuff >what you cannot find from anyking of store.. i am not taking any money from >other people songs like some bootleg sellers. >i do this when i can: >i download song, if i like it i will buy it from some store. if i cannot >find it from any store, i just dont care about copyrights. =) I am in total agreement with Samu on this.Who the fuck do you think you are spewing this shite at us?You're not my mother or my conscience,so shut your mouth.If I hear a tune I like because of downloading an mp3 file,I'll buy it. By the way Samu, I think that I have about that much space free.You're welcome to it,if you like. Col. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:42:02 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: Re: (mobility) go ahead! MO>On Modern Rock Live he said, "Probably their gonna force me to tour from Apr MO>It's already April. We probably won't have to wait to long. MO>Aaron Ackerson Actually..I hope he doesn't tour till he's ready...I'd rather see Moby tour on his own terms(in doing that having more fun)..than being forced by the record company to do one. Ryan Fishlips@ahbqs.com www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: matthew james smith Subject: Re: (mobility) go ahead! Hey everyone This is not in regard to moby, but many people who listen to moby listen to erasure. And I have a question in regards to erasure. Did one of the guys from erasure sing for Yaz, back in the late 70's early 80's?...mjs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:30:46 PDT From: Aaron Ackerson Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright At 05:33 PM 4/10/97 +0300, you wrote: >>i just wanted to say this: >>fuck you all motherfuckers with those copyrights. i know that i am doin= g >>wrong. but i dont care about it. and if i heard some really good song, = i >>will buy it from store. i am only exspecially looking that kind of stuf= f >>what you cannot find from anyking of store.. i am not taking any money = from >>other people songs like some bootleg sellers. >>i do this when i can: >>i download song, if i like it i will buy it from some store. if i canno= t >>find it from any store, i just dont care about copyrights. =3D) > > >I am in total agreement with Samu on this.Who the fuck do you >think you= are >spewing this shite at us? I agree too. If you can't find a CD at a store, then how is the artist = losing any money from you putting it on the web? Aaron Ackerson Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6593/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Anuranman Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright At 05:33 PM 4/10/97 +0300, you wrote: >i just wanted to say this: >fuck you all motherfuckers with those copyrights. while i would not like to have sex with anyone on this list, i do happen to agree with samu here also. if you listen to somthing on the net, it is not the same as actually owning it, and chances are, you will go out and buy the record anyways. at least that's how i am. putting an artist's songs on the net for download is a great promotion for that artist. it's not like samu is going to charge people to download the stuff. any artist would be happy to have this go on if that artist's goals are spreading their music and not making $$$. as long as you don't claim responsibility for the work, or try to sell it, then i do not think there is anything wrong with it. just my 2 yen. love, ryu 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 "Noise is the Key, life is full of noise, only death is quiet." "Personally, I don't take any drugs and have never tried any and therefore perhaps have an odd opinion about them; a man must destroy himself before he is destroyed by the system!" -Alec Empire- 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 Ryu * ryu97@twd.net * 814-238-3171 IowotflaichiNoromDreamboyCipherStoicDonQuixoteJonZ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:43:02 -0400 From: Matt Himes Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright At 04:11 PM 4/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 05:33 PM 4/10/97 +0300, you wrote: >>i just wanted to say this: >>fuck you all motherfuckers with those copyrights. i know that i am doing >>wrong. but i dont care about it. and if i heard some really good song, i >>will buy it from store. i am only exspecially looking that kind of stuff >>what you cannot find from anyking of store.. i am not taking any money from >>other people songs like some bootleg sellers. >>i do this when i can: >>i download song, if i like it i will buy it from some store. if i cannot >>find it from any store, i just dont care about copyrights. =) > > >I am in total agreement with Samu on this.Who the fuck do you think you are >spewing this shite at us?You're not my mother or my conscience,so shut your >mouth.If I hear a tune I like because of downloading an mp3 file,I'll buy it. >By the way Samu, I think that I have about that much space free.You're >welcome to it,if you like. > >Col. > Since I seem to be one of the parties involved in this, and since Joe's response was to Samu and me, I guess should respond. First of all, Col and Samu, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Joe presented an intelligent and ration expanation about his concerns with the possible copyright and moral wrongs of our idea. You both responded with "Fuck you" and told him to go to hell. Joe is not the Gestapo or the mind police, he's just a guy on this mailing list with well founded concerns about respecting copyright laws, and if you took the time to read the part of his page that he refered to, you see what he bases these opinions on. Okay, now Joe. Yes, I do recognize that what we would be doing is, more or less, illegal. No, we weren't planning on contacting the copyright holders, because that would be a monumental effort for a college student like me who just wants to run an ftp server on his own machine to share some mp3 files. As far as the moral aspect of it, I'm not even going to try to morally justify myself, because I just don't want to play that game. The point of this is to create a small site of some sort, be it a web site or ftp site, that has moby, and some other artists, mp3 files. These files would most likely be of more hard to find tracks, with some 'common' tracks. No money would be charged for access to the files. If you find this wrong, well then fine, I respect your opinion. Please keep in mind that mp3's tend to lead to people going out and buying what they like of what they hear. I hadn't intended to buy any Chemical Brothers until I heard some of their material (other than _setting sun_) on mp3. I now fully intend to go out and buy some of their stuff sometime soon. There is my take on the situation, think of it what you may. Later, Matt Himes aka: _______________ ___________ __________ ___ ___ /_____ _____/| / _____ /| / _______/| / /| / /| |____/ /|_____|/ / /|___/ / / / /|______|/ / /_/__/ / / / / / / /_/__/ / / / /_/____ /_______ / / / / / / __ ___/ / / _______/| |______/ / / / / / / / |\ \__|/ / /|______|/ / / / / / / / / / \\ \ / /_/_____ _____/ / / /__/ / /__/ / \\__\ /__________/| /_______/ / |__|/ |__|/ |__| |__________|/ |_______|/ mrh160@psu.edu trey@psu.edu Trey's Mechwarrior Niche-> http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~mhimes/ Trey's Other Mechwarrior Niche-> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/3527 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:03:49 -0600 From: damian@xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright / p.s. Matt Himes wrote: > > First of all, Col and Samu, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Joe > presented an intelligent and ration expanation about his concerns with the > possible copyright and moral wrongs of our idea. You both responded with > "Fuck you" and told him to go to hell. Joe is not the Gestapo or the mind > police, he's just a guy on this mailing list with well founded concerns > about respecting copyright laws, and if you took the time to read the part > of his page that he refered to, you see what he bases these opinions on. Bravo! Talk about jumping the gun. Where's the respect? I think the use of MP3 and other audio on the web can make things go both ways. In the end, I tend to think that it would encourage you to buy the music and not the other way around. p.s. the mobility profiles have been updated again. got revisions? want to add something? please let me know. Cheers! - -- ** damian@xmission.com ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/moby.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 04:38:31 PDT From: Aaron Ackerson Subject: Re: (mobility) go ahead! >Hey everyone >This is not in regard to moby, but many people who listen to moby >listen >to erasure. And I have a question in regards to erasure. Did one of >the >guys from erasure sing for Yaz, back in the late 70's early 80's?...mjs Vince Clarke played synths in Yaz. And Yaz wasn't around in the 70's. He was also one of the founding members of Depeche Mode. (I would have sent this straight to the matthew james smith, but my mail program won't let me.) Aaron Ackerson Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6593/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 04:41:59 PDT From: Aaron Ackerson Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright Auranman wrote: >At 05:33 PM 4/10/97 +0300, you wrote: >>i just wanted to say this: >>fuck you all motherfuckers with those copyrights. > >while i would not like to have sex with anyone on this list, >i do happen to agree with samu here also. >if you listen to somthing on the net, it is not the same as >actually owning it, and chances are, you will go out and buy >the record anyways. at least that's how i am. putting an >artist's songs on the net for download is a great promotion for >that artist. it's not like samu is going to charge people to >download the stuff. any artist would be happy to have this >go on if that artist's goals are spreading their music and not >making $$$. >as long as you don't claim responsibility for the work, or try >to sell it, then i do not think there is anything wrong with it. > >just my 2 yen. Something occured to me. What's the difference between putting a whole song on the net and playing it on the radio? Either way, people can record it and have it without buying the album it's on. Aaron Ackerson Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6593/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:10:22 -0500 From: "Brad Caviness" Subject: Re: (mobility) Copyright - ---------- > From: Aaron Ackerson: What's the difference between putting a > whole song on the net and playing it on the radio? Either way, people > can record it and have it without buying the album it's on. > People can tape it, without buying the cd, yes, but radio stations pay thousands of dollars each year to BMI and ASCAP to compensate artists and writers for the rights to play them. Artists are payed in accordance to their airplay and chart position. I am sympathetic to rare songs out there to let people have a chance to hear them, but let's not kid ourselves. Unless you are paying your fair share to the publisher, you are stealing from the artist. Brad S. Caviness, Contributing On-Line Editor, 7Ball Magazine (http://www.7ball.com) bigwig@agora.ualr.edu "I've often wondered how someone could put a critique of music into words. And I've also wondered why there was no musical commentary on words." - Dr. Peter Kreeft, author "There seems, by the way, to be nothing pending in the Christian Coalition`s political wish list about sheltering the homeless, feeding the hungry, or clothing the naked, unless, of course, the naked got that way for fun." - Tom Teepen, Cox News Service ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:57:37 -0500 (CDT) From: DAVIESA@uwplatt.edu Subject: [none] > From: Aaron Ackerson: What's the difference between putting a > whole song on the net and playing it on the radio? Either way, people > can record it and have it without buying the album it's on. > - -People can tape it, without buying the cd, yes, but radio stations pay - -thousands of dollars each year to BMI and ASCAP to compensate artists and - -writers for the rights to play them. Artists are payed in accordance to - -their airplay and chart position. - - - -I am sympathetic to rare songs out there to let people have a chance to - -hear them, but let's not kid ourselves. Unless you are paying your fair - -share to the publisher, you are stealing from the artist. YES!! i totally agree with this! i am all for getting the music out there, so others can hear it, but please respect the copyrights and the law. i would not want to have my music "stolen" by copyright infringement, so i know other artists feel the same way, i'm sure. thanks for the great insight... andy "run, run, as fast as you can, you can't catch me, i'm the gingerbread man!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:54:50 -0500 (CDT) From: ".xAQ_" Subject: (mobility) copy well, as much as i hate getting all this wonderful mail, i thought i should point out something. have you ever made a mix tape or comp tape for someone? did you call up each and every artist on that tape and ask permission to copy their material and send it to someone how didn't pay for it? i bet not. SO SHUT UP!! thank you. >8) - -xaq- WHOisTHISdooinTHISsyntheticTYPEalphaBETApsychadellicFUNKIN? the shack of xaq-103.3fm KUMD-tuesdays 10pm-trance/happy hardcore/dance "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." "are ya done squeezing me yet?" <-ranma 1/2-> <-moby-> "women love all that rubber." <-some guy on red green-> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:27:27 -0700 From: cheezit Subject: Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio Sinjin wrote: > > Take me off the list your intolerantness. No band merits discussion > censorship. and since i seem to be causing much of your problems... > > > > Sinjin i agree...i wish to be taken off also. l8r, cheezit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:50:00 +0000 From: "L Potter" Subject: Re: (mobility) copy > have you ever made a mix tape or comp tape for someone? did you call up > each and every artist on that tape and ask permission to copy > their material and send it to someone how didn't pay for it? > i bet not. > SO SHUT UP!! > > thank you. >8) > -xaq- that's the best thing i've heard on here in a long time... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= they can make me go to college, but they still can't make me think! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9514/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:04:36 -0500 (CDT) From: DAVIESA@uwplatt.edu Subject: Re: (mobility) copy ok, here is the last thing i will say on the copyright thing: i agree with both sides of this argument. there are points i can see with both sides. i have made a tape and such, yes. i do wish copywights infringement did not happen, yes. i can't win either way. that's life. andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:56:58 -0500 From: "talk dirty to me" Subject: Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio what list of intolerance? i haven't read up in a few days so i'm a bit behind. whatever a list of intolerance is, its sound portrays darkness jeremy - ---------- : From: cheezit : To: mobility@mail.xmission.com : Subject: Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio : Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 11:27 AM : : Sinjin wrote: : > : > Take me off the list your intolerantness. No band merits discussion : > censorship. and since i seem to be causing much of your problems... : > : > : > : > Sinjin : : i agree...i wish to be taken off also. : : l8r, : cheezit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:04:59 -0500 (CDT) From: ".xAQ_" Subject: (mobility) update i think we need to make a list of what moby is up to. it should only include things we know of FOR SURE. i'll start: 1. "Oil 1" on the _Saint_ soundtrack short huh? that's 'cause i haven't been able to dig through all the trash on the list. so if you have something to add, please cut and paste it into the list. i seen to remember something about guns and roses and some film score. anyone? - -xaq- WHOisTHISdooinTHISsyntheticTYPEalphaBETApsychadellicFUNKIN? the shack of xaq-103.3fm KUMD-tuesdays 10pm-trance/happy hardcore/dance "The best way to communicate should be banging on a drum and screaming." "are ya done squeezing me yet?" <-ranma 1/2-> <-moby-> "women love all that rubber." <-some guy on red green-> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:10:44 -0600 From: damian@xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Noise Ratio talk dirty to me wrote: > > what list of intolerance? i haven't read up in a few days so i'm > a bit behind. whatever a list of intolerance is, its sound portrays > darkness > jeremy I guess I've upset a few people by requesting that we try harder to stay on topic. It was never meant to be a personal attack on anyone. I figured a reminder wouldn't hurt but I guess it did in some ways. Therefor, if anyone thinks I have been acting too rash (or not), I would appreciate a _personal_ letter hearing your opinions. Maybe I should loosen up a bit and let things stray more. I assumed that keeping things a bit more focused would be appreciated more than anything. Is it too suffocating? - -- ** damian@xmission.com ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/moby.html ** trying my hardest not to waste anyones time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:47:18 -0700 From: "radiowave" Subject: Re: (mobility) album o' the year? - ---------- > Panasonic stuff is great!. i love Mika Vainio and Ilpo Väisänen. They really > have guts to do so experimental stuff, that noone has done before. Also when Yup, but do you happen to know which one of those guys is known as 'ö' ( Norwegian 'O' where u have '/' stuff up in the middle of that 'O' ) As far as i know the man is doing a sideline projects under that name, and i havent been able to reach his music from anywhere. - mm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:52:49 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: (mobility) i understand... i can understand the problems that some ppl are having with the list... i have not been on long & i have already witnessed fights. its rediculous... moby stuff seems to be pushed to the side wayyy to often. what is the point of petty little email fights.... *---bluegirl---* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:37:31 -0400 From: jeff Subject: (mobility) "Hypecadet" ok, so "Hypercadet"replies to Scott Steg w/ the following: >> But trust me...there will be people jumping on the "techno/electronica" >> bandwagon this year with not an ounce of techno knowledge in them. Too >>bad... >> Scott Steg > >Hmmm.....Eric Clapton, Depeche Mode, U2....etc. i read this and at first i'm a little pissed...sure maybe E. Clapton might be jumping on the bandwagon, but depeche mode has been semi-electronic for a while (as long as i can remember...but then again i'm not a fan), and u2 well they worked w/ eno (and have even joined him w/ some stuff)...so u2 can do whatever they want w/ electronic music cause they have worked w/one of the "grandfathers" of techno/jungle-dnb/ambient/trip-hop/electro-whatever-you-want-to-call-it music (so i would say they have plenty of fucking knowledge) ...but, then i think well it would just be silly to get mad...and then i think rock,blues,jazz are old forms of music...people need new ways of expressing themselves...its just music,and if a band or person want to use a guitar a sampler, keyboard or a kazoo, well that's fine by me...trust me i don't want to think about the trendy little shits who are going to show up to see moby because his video is on mtv and sing "that's when i realize it's over"...i missed seeing prodigy last time they toured my part of the states and know i fear i will not be able to see them w/out some kid or obnoxious frat boy screaming "play fucking firestarter"...i'm glad i got to see orbital twice before they get too big (if they do, but they don't deserve that kind of popularity here, they are too good for it)...um...that's all for know, perhaps i should of written this a few beers earlier...oh well...bye...respond personally if anyone feels they need to do so... - -jeff ********************************************************************** "well son...a funny thing about regret is: that it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something you haven't done... and bye the way...if you see your mom this weekend, be sure and tell her: 'SATAN, SATAN, SATAN, SATAN, SATAN, SATAN...'" -The Butthole Surfers ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:22:31 -0700 From: "halo" Subject: [none] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC46DF.FE187BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just came back from watching 'the saint' .. anyway, during the preview = for some movie (5th element? not sure) they used a really *nice* mix of = first cool hive, if anyone knows where I could get ahold of this, aside = from waiting for the soundtrack, please lemme know - on a side note, the = movie looks pretty cool as well =3D) peace! - -- Scott Bruce ... "with the right tools, any rental car quickly becomes a = convertible"=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC46DF.FE187BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just came back from = watching 'the=20 saint' .. anyway, during the preview for some movie (5th element? not = sure) they=20 used a really *nice* mix of first cool hive, if anyone knows where I = could get=20 ahold of this, aside from waiting for the soundtrack, please lemme know = - - on a=20 side note, the movie looks pretty cool as well =3D)

 

peace!
- --
Scott Bruce <halo@humboldt1.com>
... "with the right tools, any rental car quickly becomes a=20 convertible"

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