From: mobility-owner@xmission.com (mobility Digest) To: mobility-digest@xmission.com Subject: mobility Digest V1 #38 Reply-To: mobility@xmission.com Sender: mobility-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: mobility-owner@xmission.com Precedence: mobility Digest Tuesday, May 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 038 In this issue: (mobility) beginner (mobility) beginner Re: (mobility) beginner Re: (mobility) beginner (mobility) beginner Re: (mobility) beginner (mobility) Moby cd's FS (update) Re: (mobility) Moby Singles FS Re: (mobility) beginner (mobility) finally reason delay with AR cds.. (mobility) website for the lame Re: (mobility) website for the lame Re: (mobility) website for the lame(a big thank you) [none] (mobility) [Fwd: FW: [Fwd: Fwd: CHA CHA CHA]] (mobility) (Fwd) IT MENTIONS MOBY, MEGADETH, MANSON, AND DEPECHE MODE!!! (mobility) Music Central's Moby Interview Re: (mobility) Music Central's Moby Interview Re: (mobility) beginner (mobility) Re:Help? Please? (mobility) Another AR Review (mobility) Elements Re: (mobility) Re:Help? Please? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the mobility or mobility-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MATTMAN417@aol.com Subject: (mobility) beginner i just found out about Moby, what should i get first? whats the best stuff? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MATTMAN417@aol.com Subject: (mobility) beginner i just found out about Moby, what should i get first? whats the best stuff? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:55:21 -0500 From: "Does anyone really care what this says? The person finds out who it is anyways..." Subject: Re: (mobility) beginner MATTMAN417@aol.com wrote: > > i just found out about Moby, > what should i get first? > whats the best stuff? What's the best stuff? Um, depends what kind of music you like... - -Don- Fans of Moby web ring - http://www.execpc.com/~ryoohki/ - -- That's when I reach for my revolver. That's when it all gets blown away. That's when I reach for my revolver. A spirit passes by this way. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:19:00 -0400 From: Tiger Woods Subject: Re: (mobility) beginner At 11:46 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >i just found out about Moby, >what should i get first? >whats the best stuff? i think that most people agree that the best intro to moby is the album "everythign is wrong". it is his most diversified effort yet. if you like rock/guitar music, then pick up "animal rights". if you like ambient, then i suggest "the end of everything" by voodoo child (moby's alter ego). if you wanna dance, then get the mixed and remixed 2cd version of "everything is wrong". alot of people say that his older ep "move" is his best work, and in some ways i agree, so check that out too. good luck! love, ryu 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 "And that is the way that it's always gonna be. That is the day when they are all gonna see. Flames and fire, burning from the building. Fuckin' politians, the smile on your face makes me spit blood!" - Atari Teenage Riot O(+> <+)O O(+> <+)O O(+> <+(O O(+> <+)O O(+> <+)O Ryu * ryu97@twd.net * 412-869-0908 IowotflaichiNoromDreamboyCipherStoicDonQuixoteJonZ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:21:48 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: (mobility) beginner MO>i just found out about Moby, MO>what should i get first? MO>whats the best stuff? Depends..how'd you first hear of him..if it's from his latest(Animal Rights)..You may or may not like his "electronic" stuff...But if it was me...I'd get the Everything Is Wrong remix album and the Move EP...Just MHO :) Ryan Fishlips@ahbqs.com www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:14:56 -0500 From: "talk dirty to me" Subject: Re: (mobility) beginner i would say the easiest to find would be "everything is wrong" it has good hymns, beat, and a slice o guitar so it gives you a little of everything moby is in to. try that first then delv in to whatever you like most cause he's got individuals on them all jeremy - ---------- : From: MATTMAN417@aol.com : To: mobility@mail.xmission.com; mobility@xmission.com : Subject: (mobility) beginner : Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 10:46 PM : : i just found out about Moby, : what should i get first? : whats the best stuff? : ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:56:02 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: (mobility) Moby cd's FS (update) I figured it'd be easier to post this to the list..than each individual person: Sorry..but someone's already interested in all 3...I'm holding the cd's for them..They know who they are..if the deal falls thru..I'll go to the next email(s)...I'll keep everybody updated. Ryan Fishlips@ahbqs.com www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:15:58 -0700 From: "Hypecadet" Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby Singles FS > P.S. (non-moby content) What another great time for music...just picked > up NIN's "Perfect Drug" single, Lard's new album...both Daft Punk and Lard has a new one...didn't know that... Who's replacing Jeff Ward on it? The Perfect Drug is amazing (that's 47 nin cd's and counting).... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:25:46 -0500 From: "talk dirty to me" Subject: Re: (mobility) beginner agreed move is another - ---------- : From: fishlips@ahbqs.com : To: mobility@mail.xmission.com : Subject: (mobility) beginner : Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 10:21 PM : : MO>i just found out about Moby, : MO>what should i get first? : MO>whats the best stuff? : : Depends..how'd you first hear of him..if it's from his latest(Animal : Rights)..You may or may not like his "electronic" stuff...But if it was : me...I'd get the Everything Is Wrong remix album and the Move EP...Just : MHO :) : : Ryan : Fishlips@ahbqs.com : www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm : : : ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 08:49:06 +0300 (EDT) From: Samu Heinonen Subject: (mobility) finally reason delay with AR cds.. reason was simple about this case.. record company inertia. so we have to still wait those cds from Cnotes. /-=-=-=-=-=-=-|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ |Samu Heinonen|samuhei@dlc.fi|http://www.dlc.fi/~samuhei/| \-=-=-=-=-=-=-|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:34:01 -0700 From: keri schaeffer Subject: (mobility) website for the lame please post the url to the website w/ all the moby releases on it as i'm really lame and emptied my trash! sorry guys! keri does anybody know of any other mix mag releases w/ moby besides live 2? great disc. i loved it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:09:23 -0600 From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) website for the lame keri schaeffer wrote: > please post the url to the website w/ all the moby releases on it as i'm > really lame and emptied my trash! sorry guys! keri Do you mean the discography? It's at http://www.moby.org/discog.html > does anybody know of any other mix mag releases w/ moby besides live 2? > great disc. i loved it. Mixmag Live vol.7 (non-US release) features Moby, but it's the exact same set. Daniel Cerman dcerman@verinet.com <--[ please note by new address ] http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 08:49:10 -0700 From: keri schaeffer Subject: Re: (mobility) website for the lame(a big thank you) Daniel Cerman wrote: > > keri schaeffer wrote: > > please post the url to the website w/ all the moby releases on it as i'm > > really lame and emptied my trash! sorry guys! keri > > Do you mean the discography? It's at http://www.moby.org/discog.html > > > does anybody know of any other mix mag releases w/ moby besides live 2? > > great disc. i loved it. > > Mixmag Live vol.7 (non-US release) features Moby, but it's the exact > same set. > > Daniel Cerman > dcerman@verinet.com <--[ please note by new address ] > http://www.moby.org/ thank you. i was able to print all the releases and much appreciate it. little did i know it was 44 pages! i'll have to get more laser paper. thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:27:38 -0600 From: owner-mobility@xmission.com Subject: [none] > ***The following email bounced for some unknown reason. > ***It has not been modified, sorry for the delay. Sender: owner-mobility@xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mobility Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:07:18 -0500 From: Reply-To: ryoohki@execpc.com To: mobility@xmission.com Subject: Help? Please? Ok, I have Moby 'Disk' And I can't get to the 'Enhanced' parts!!! Can someone help me? I have a pentium 120 with 16 meg ram, and a 8 speed cd-rom...What the fuck is wrong?!?!?! - -- That's when I reach for my revolver. That's when it all gets blown away. That's when I reach for my revolver. A spirit passes by this way. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:47:29 -0500 From: "Does anyone really care what this says? The person finds out who it is anyways..." Subject: (mobility) [Fwd: FW: [Fwd: Fwd: CHA CHA CHA]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------5C1121EC51B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- That's when I reach for my revolver. That's when it all gets blown away. That's when I reach for my revolver. 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The email below has been approved for content > ***and has not been edited in any way. Sender: owner-mobility@xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mobility From: "kiddie grinder" <5ROCHER@stu.jmls.edu> Organization: The John Marshall Law School To: mobility@xmission.com Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:59:50 CST Subject: (Fwd) IT MENTIONS MOBY, MEGADETH, MANSON, AND DEPECHE MODE!!! MTV Online Music Feature CRASH OF THE TITANS: DOES METAL STILL MATTER? By Jennifer Schonborn IN THIS STORY Is metal dead? Or did it just thrash into something we don't call metal anymore, like Marilyn Manson or White Zombie? Find out what Moby, Alice Cooper, Megadeth's Dave Mustaine and other headbangers think about the current state of metal. Missed out on the heyday of metal? Download a Quicktime history lesson - -- find a chunk on just about every page. He's the Godfather of Metal, the Don Corleone of headbangers and puppy-eating Satanists alike. Ozzy Osbourne, heading a reconstituted Black Sabbath, is hitting the tour circuit in a big way this summer with Ozzfest, and he's hauling along Marilyn Manson, practically tagged Lucifer incarnate lately. Pantera, Type O Negative, and a couple of other heavy metal hellions will be playing the gig, too. Together, this demonic lineup should make a few community do-gooders bite their cuticles in fear and opt to cryogenically freeze their children for the summer rather than see them attend this orgy of pancake make-up and screaming guitars. Heavy metal is back! Or is it? When was the last time you heard someone use the term "heavy metal" with a straight face? The mainstream music press treats heavy metal like an oozing cow carcass that best belongs in a dump outside the edge of town. And there don't seem to be many music fans out there these days who will proudly pump their fist in the air and snarl, "I am a metal fan! Ozzy rules!" Heavy metal has become America's dirty little secret. Back in its heyday, metal indulged in over-the-top displays of chest-beating masculinity and aggression, occasional misogyny, huge mall girl hair, and leather and tiger-striped spandex fashions -- today, we cringe. So, in an effort to pretend we weren't really that tacky and boob-obsessed, tastemakers and some former fans turn up their noses and run at the mere whiff of the tainted heavy metal. Pantera frontman Philip Anselmo shrugs it all off and says in his deep Texan growl, "The metal scene ain't what it was. But what is, you know?" Metal seems like the dogbone buried in the backyard of pop culture these days. Even Ozzfest and all its hype feels, more than anything, like an aberration, an attempt to pick up the slack left by a floundering Lollapalooza. But maybe we're all just looking under the wrong rock. Maybe metal still walks among us and we just don't know it, kind of like when Luke Skywalker didn't know who Yoda really was. Has metal just acquired a wardrobe consultant and a new name? "I look at bands like Korn, Tool, Marilyn Manson, and Nine Inch Nails, and to me they're all metal bands," says Moby, who is slated to work as the executive producer on Guns N' Roses' upcoming album, and who recently released a metal album of sorts of his own, Animal Rights. Dave Mustaine, lead singer and guitarist of Megadeth, asks, "Well what does heavy metal sound like? If it sounds like bass, drums, and guitar, then Nirvana sounds like heavy metal." The big bands for the crash-and-burn rock scene right now may be Marilyn Manson, Korn, White Zombie, and Tool, but these acts are also getting play on alternative radio, which only adds to the confusion if you're trying to fit artists into neat little categories. '70s metal pioneer Alice Cooper, a major influence on acts such as Marilyn Manson, can only scratch his head about this. "I'm like just about everybody else. I've lost contact with what is metal and what isn't." A new kind of metal may have taken hold, but old school metal fans are pissed. The general feeling among them is that "alternative" music is the real Antichrist, or at least a whining bore. A post by Tulip11542 to one of the heavy metal folders on the America Online message boards gives a sense of the mood in the metal community: "'80s metal was like a never-ending party!!!!! The '90s generation lacks the whole experience of true FUN with music... It's all so drug down and depressing... I would rather rock and roll all night and party everyday!!!!!" Other fans are just as crabby. "All of the people who are 'alternative' music lovers were once metal fans no matter what they tell you," posted Wire beam on America Online, "they just changed their preferences cause everyone else did." Wire beam may be on to something, since it was alternative rock, more than anything, that caused the decline of metal in the early '90s. Guns N' Roses, arguably the biggest rock band in the world at the turn of the decade, had asked an up-and-coming Nirvana if they would be interested in opening for some Guns shows. Nirvana gave their answer: a resounding, "As if!" Not only that, but Nirvana leader Kurt Cobain went on to wage an all-out war against GNR frontman Axl Rose, claiming that rock fans had to choose sides: he didn't see how it was possible for someone to simultaneously like Guns N' Roses, with their notoriously offensive lyrics, and a band like Nirvana, which stood up for the sensitive geek in all of us. Many metal fans did end up jumping ship. "Some of the [heavy metal] fans did cross over," says Andrew Stewart, Music Director for Seton Hall University's heavy metal/hard rock radio station, WSOU. "They thought, 'This is a new direction we're going in, and maybe we'll give it a shot.'" This new music was, after all, not all that different from the noise and angry clamor of metal -- it just had a different dress code and a slightly different Weltanschauung, or world view. And when you're young, your world view can change as often as your taste in clothes, especially if it's got a cool soundtrack. But Kurt Cobain saw the differences as a chasm, and, in an odd twist of fate, he helped kill the bands that made Nirvana's success a possibility in the first place when they introduced the mainstream to a more aggressive brand of rock. The music press seized on the Seattle bands like an alligator on a baby's arm and trumpeted the "alternative revolution." Suddenly it was all about punk-influenced rock, flannel, the Kurt haircut (Tori Spelling even had it), and self-loathing. "There are a lot of fair weather fans who will do something just because it's in the public eye," says Dave Mustaine. "People like winners. MTV, radio, television, and newspapers told kids they're stupid if they listen to heavy metal. But I think the reason journalists think heavy metal is dying is because they are responsible for killing it." The cock-rock breed of metal is digging its way out of the grave, though, perhaps hoping to fill the void created by the demise of Seattle's finest. You may have heard squat about it, but Megadeth, Moetley Cruee (with original frontman Vince Neil back onboard), Pantera, W.A.S.P., Dokken, Slaughter, Warrant, and Cinderella all either have just released albums or have albums out any second. Metallica and Iron Maiden have releases scheduled for the end of the year, and Anthrax is currently recording. But Seton Hall's Stewart says, "The new Megadeth record probably won't even get a chance in the mainstream, even if it's the greatest record Megadeth ever made." That may irk old-school metal maniacs, but it's just not clear whether there are a ton of them out there, or whether they are simply a particularly vocal minority. Around the time the alternative revolution was sweeping the nation, MTV took "Headbanger's Ball," the late-night heavy metal show hosted by Riki Rachtman, off the air. Rachtman acknowledges that "it all comes down to ratings," and that low ratings were probably what led to the show's cancellation. But Rachtman thought "Headbanger's Ball" just needed some nips and tucks. "The show was in need of a facelift. Metal was branching off into so many different directions. Just using the word 'metal' at that point was stupid." In any case, heavy metal took a serious beating with the cancellation. Says Rachtman, "The show just disappeared. And with it the word heavy metal sort of disappeared too." The resulting crash left few outlets for the real balls-to-the-wall heavy bands. Jani Lane, lead singer for Warrant, has gotten used to the media ignoring his band. "It's been really frustrating because you can't expect people to go out and buy a record if they don't know it's there. We've tried every avenue possible. The label has even sent the radio single out without the band's name on it." Pantera's Anselmo stresses that metal's decline hasn't affected his band, and that a strong metal underground still exists. "There are extreme underground bands out there. The musicianship, just everything is so amped. The motherfuckers are playing their asses off. And it can't be ignored." Some of Anselmo's fave underground metal bands are Soilant Green from New Orleans, Human Remains, and Dark Throne and Satyricon from the Scandinavian black metal scene. A surf through some of the heavy metal sites on the Web also reveals a global subculture of serious metalheads. Many of these sites have a self-righteous, "if you don't like metal, go to hell"-type attitude, and feature graphics of dripping blood and a rip-off of the "Intel Inside" stamp that proclaims, "Satan Inside." It might be just this B-movie-style obsession with death and all things gross that isolated metal in the first place. Alice Cooper thinks it wasn't just the media and Seattle that hurt the genre. "The medium of metal is limited, so it just kind of painted itself into a corner. I think we got into this thing in the late '80s and early '90s of all this doomsday metal, and I think what happened was it got so caricatured that it didn't have a life anymore. You got to the point of saying, 'Oh, here's another band talking about the end of the world, and they all have skulls on, and they all have long hair and motorcycle boots. Ho hum.'" Back in the early to mid-'80s, when everyone else was listening to Michael Jackson's Thriller album and British new-wavers like Depeche Mode and Tears for Fears, heavy metal was widely considered to be the "loser's music" - -- loud, angry, vaguely Satanic thrash listened to by adolescent boys with acne, long feathered haircuts, and denim jackets with covers of Ozzy Osbourne albums painted on the back. The stereotype extended to older fans, who were basically working class incarnations of these outsider teens. These predominantly male metal fans were seen by the clean cut'n'happy crowd as "dirtbags." Then came Bon Jovi. Metal gave birth to a handsome son and a more commercialized strain that was still hard, but a helluva lot easier for the masses to swallow. It wasn't long before the cheerleader crowd started listening not only to Bon Jovi, but Moetley Cruee , Poison, Def Leppard, Warrant, White Lion, and the slew of other coifed and high-heeled boy bands who were angrily tagged "poseurs" by the original Ozzy crowd. MTV heeded the call, playing these pretty boys in heavy rotation, and the gold rush was on. Guns N' Roses broke in 1988 when MTV picked up the video for "Sweet Child O' Mine." That same year, MTV interviewed W. Axl Rose and guitarist Slash at New York City's famed Chelsea Hotel. Rose presented an unforgettable image: sitting there stock still and deadpan with a leather police cap, mirrored sunglasses, flat stringy hair reaching to his shoulders, bad gray teeth. He talked in a really deep, deep voice and seemed like a serious badass who would kick your butt around the block if given the chance. From then on, other rockstars' hair got a little flatter, less and less makeup was worn, and the more abrasive strains of metal -- Metallica, Megadeth, and even Ozzy -- pushed through to the mainstream and became the new sound of rock'n'roll. Today's metal simply may be going through a life change. Metal as embodied in the music of early Metallica and Slayer, or even in fluffier bands like Poison and Bon Jovi, may not be in the cultural forefront anymore, but an altered strain of metal that employs a convergence of different musical styles might very well be, and arguably already is. At a recent show at New York's CBGB's, the indie metal band Candiria showed how metal bands are blurring the lines of musical categories. Candiria's singer, who has an aggressive bark like Max Cavalera of Sepultura, is black (something that would have been almost unheard of ten years ago for a heavy metal band), and the music's funky rap edge recalls Rage Against the Machine or Faith No More. The fans were less predictable, too: leather and layered, long hair was scarce; fans didn't look all that different from a crowd you might see at a Beastie Boys or Pearl Jam concert. The women were noticeably alternachick -- gone are the days, it seems, of leather microminis, garters, and porn star makeup jobs. While Andrew Stewart thinks that metal right now has turned into more of a hardcore scene, with bands like Sick of It All and Helmet popular with metal fans, he sees metal's future as possibly tied to electronic music. "I think if metal is to come out again, it's going to have to be a new style of metal, something more aggressive than just the straight guitar metal of the past. I think you're going to see a lot more electronics used and an industrial type of sound." Even Guns N' Roses is moving toward the use of synthesized sounds: "They're open to everything," says Moby, "they're playing around with samplers and a bunch of old synthesizers. I wouldn't say that they're trying to jump on any bandwagon, but they're very open to whatever excites them." Ozzfest is most likely getting so much attention now because of Mr. Manson and his alleged Ozzy-esque blood-guzzling antics. While Manson may not call his music metal, he undoubtedly owes a huge debt to it, and he is perhaps what metal has become as we approach the millennium. And of course we can't forget the role of the music industry: right now the record execs are hunched over and quivering in the corners of their offices, wondering what the hell to do to revive the lagging industry. Hey, why not try metal? It worked before. Jennifer Schonborn is MTV Online's copywriter, and has been a columnist for Rolling Stone Online and The Biz. "Crash of the Titans" is her first feature for MTV Online. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ||"it's not your fault that you're always wrong" - ------------------------------------------------------------------- || P| 242.cure.depeche_MODE.erasure.megadeth.moby.|\|||/|.nitzer_ebb.U2. || D| alice_in_chains.marilyn_manson.ministry.new_order.pet_shop_boys. - -- ** damian@xmission.com ** New and Official Jam & Spoon info! ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/jam.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:43:52 -0600 From: damian@xmission.com Subject: (mobility) Music Central's Moby Interview Hi guys, Music Central has put a Moby interview up on their web pages. I thought it was pretty good. Because of the length, I've decided not to send it to the list itself. Check it out at the following URL: http://musiccentral.msn.com/WeeklyFeatures/Article/773/1 - -- ** damian@xmission.com ** Come On Baby (the single) ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/comeon.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:51:02 -0600 From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) Music Central's Moby Interview damian@xmission.com wrote: > Music Central has put a Moby interview up on their web pages. I thought > it was pretty good. Because of the length, I've decided not to send it > to the list itself. Check it out at the following URL: > http://musiccentral.msn.com/WeeklyFeatures/Article/773/1 This is the best article/interview I've seen on Moby in a long time. The questions were excellent, and even I -- a longtime Moby fan -- gained further insight into what makes him tick. Definately check this out. Daniel Cerman dcerman@verinet.com <--[ please note my new address ] http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:09:23 -0600 From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) beginner MATTMAN417@aol.com wrote: > i just found out about Moby, > what should i get first? > whats the best stuff? Get the _Move_ EP. It's Moby's most awesome readily-available release. It blows _Everything Is Wrong_ out of the water, IMHO. :) What you get after that depends on what style(s) of Moby's multifaceted talent you like best. I love everything Instinct released by Moby (most of which is very hard to find), and his techno releases on Mute Records up through Hymn and Demons/Horses (1994). After that, Moby really broadened the stylistic range of his releases, so you'll often find an excellent track right next to something that just doesn't do it for you. That's normal. That's Moby. He likes to encourage his audience and himself to tolerate and enjoy a full spectrum of non-genre-bound music. Moby wants to challenge the status quo, and that seems like a breath of fresh air in a time when many other artists are stagnating & getting into a rut. Daniel Cerman dcerman@verinet.com <--[ please note my new address ] http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:47:10 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: (mobility) Re:Help? Please? OW>Ok, I have Moby 'Disk' And I can't get to the 'Enhanced' parts!!! Can OW>someone help me? I have a pentium 120 with 16 meg ram, and a 8 speed OW>cd-rom...What the fuck is wrong?!?!?! It's probably not the disk..but the cd-rom itself...Toshiba cd-rom's don't recognize enhanced cd's...Unfortunately my gf's mom(a computer god) left on vacation b4 she could look to see if they had updated cd-rom drivers to fix this problem(I have a Toshiba :( ). Ryan Fishlips@ahbqs.com www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:12:42 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: (mobility) Another AR Review Talk about going against the grain: At the very moment ambient music - - call it electronica, or techno, or whatever - is "discovered" by the Wall Street Journal and media from every other corner of the earth, one of its pioneering artists, Moby, issues a roaring, snarly guitar-based rock record. Could it be he's bored with the machine-perfected percolation of the modern ambient scene? Perhaps he's looking for something a bit more expressive? More human? It sure sounds that way. With its overheated cries for intimacy and stun-gun guitar solos, it's the kind of unburdening statement that you'd expect from an influential musical polymath who has been anonymous for too long. The thing is, unlike Aphex Twin, who makes a desperate attempt at singing on his current Richard D. James Album, Moby (real name: Richard Hall) is not half bad at the mike. He's got a voice filled with a foreboding desperation, and a knack for turning an ordinary scream into unusual catharsis. When he sings Mission Of Burma's "That's When I Reach For My Revolver", it's clear that he's not trying for technical excellence; he's using voice as another instrument to bring the ideas across. That's the really stunning thing about Animal Rights, which Moby made mostly by himself: hearing this keyboard geek singing, and playing guitar, and organizing these blunt, go-for-the-jugular tracks around the squawky noises we've come to loathe from cookie-cutter grunge bands. With an instinctual grace, Moby builds his postpunk around the same fragmentary riffs that have always peppered his electronic meanderings - rippling, recurring ideas that function as structural anchors. On tracks like the funkified "Come On Baby", the guitar patterns are fashioned from the same blues clichés metal bands have trampled for years. Just when you think you know what these things sound like, Moby makes the repetition sinister and dramatic: He uses a familiar three-note crunching pattern to support the scream at the center of "Soft", and alternates between prowling, coy verses and a gnarled Nirvana-like instrumental hook to deliver "Say It's All Mine". For all its brio, Animal Rights does offer a few slices of vintage Moby: the slithering, meditative instrumental "Anima", the film-score opening "Dead Sun", a violin elegy called "Now I Let It Go", and a gorgeous, ever-cresting minimalist anthem called "Alone". These tracks are not just there to soothe the rave-generation fan base; they provide context and contrast, and argue that unlike his MIDI-bound home studio peers, Moby continues to approach music in expansive, unpredictable ways. Tom Moon BTW...he gave it 3.5 stars out of 5...Lastly..FYI..snagged it from the musiccentral site. Ryan Fishlips@ahbqs.com www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eekmaus@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Elements yes the effects were kewl, but the movie overall sucked rocks (5th Element) ...nice outfit Milla....thermal bandages will be the next big thing (or small thing) - -Eekmaus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:01:47 -0500 From: "Does anyone really care what this says? The person finds out who it is anyways..." Subject: Re: (mobility) Re:Help? Please? fishlips@ahbqs.com wrote: > > OW>Ok, I have Moby 'Disk' And I can't get to the 'Enhanced' parts!!! Can > OW>someone help me? I have a pentium 120 with 16 meg ram, and a 8 speed > OW>cd-rom...What the fuck is wrong?!?!?! > > It's probably not the disk..but the cd-rom itself...Toshiba cd-rom's > don't recognize enhanced cd's...Unfortunately my gf's mom(a computer > god) left on vacation b4 she could look to see if they had updated > cd-rom drivers to fix this problem(I have a Toshiba :( ). > > Ryan > Fishlips@ahbqs.com > www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm My cd-rom..let me see...It is a new cd-rom (Less then half a year old..so it is new..). I'll ask for the new drivers - -Don- - -- That's when I reach for my revolver. That's when it all gets blown away. That's when I reach for my revolver. A spirit passes by this way. ------------------------------ End of mobility Digest V1 #38 ***************************** To subscribe to mobility Digest, send the command: subscribe mobility-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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