From: mobility-owner@xmission.com (mobility Digest) To: mobility-digest@xmission.com Subject: mobility Digest V1 #47 Reply-To: mobility@xmission.com Sender: mobility-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: mobility-owner@xmission.com Precedence: mobility Digest Thursday, July 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 047 In this issue: re: (mobility) styles re: (mobility) styles -Reply Re: (mobility) styles Re: (mobility) ATR Re: (mobility) ATR (mobility) Marilyn Manson Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson (mobility) (no subject) (mobility) Raves RE: (mobility) prodigy (mobility) moby update - june 1997 Re: (mobility) Raves Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 Re: (mobility) prodigy Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 (mobility) Re: mobility Digest V1 #46 Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 RE: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson Re: (mobility) styles (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply (mobility) From Eric Re: (mobility) From Eric Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply (mobility) Big Top Tour (was From Eric) Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply (mobility) and now...back to moby! Re: (mobility) radiohead Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply Re: (mobility) styles Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 (mobility) lopez Re: (mobility) lopez Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply -Reply Re: (mobility) radiohead Re: (mobility) lopez Re: (mobility) radiohead See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the mobility or mobility-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:14:19 -0500 (CDT) From: theShackofXaq Subject: re: (mobility) styles hmmm...i think we've had this question before, but since i have nothing else to do at the moment...here goes... ambient - slow, usually beatless, "spacey," ex. aphex twin's "ambient works v. 2 trip hop- slow, very dependany on "phat" beats, funky - ex. fugees dub - ambient trip hop - ex. orb big beat - mid tempo, lots of drums, ex. chemical brothers house - mid tempo, dependant on the "kick" or bass drum, diva vocals, pianos, ex. tod terry, armand van helden techno - slow to fast tempo, mosly "kick" drum and hi hats but there are exceptions, more melodic synth lines, lots of vocals - ex. moby "electronica" - any kind of tempo, any kind of drums, odd times and complicated synth lines - ex. orbital trance - mid to fast, very dependant on the kick, usually very melodic, few voclas, long un-changing synth lines - ex. juno reactor break beat - fast, no dominant kick, very "crazy" drums, synth lines very widely - ex. early prodigy jungle - fast, but half time, break beat like drums, very low bass tones, few synth lines and samples - ex. goldie happy hardcore - fast to very fast, break beat and/or kick, very melodic and "uplifting" synth lines, sped up vocals, (usualy female) ex. force & styles, justin time gabber - usualy very fast, distorted kick, angry vocals, simple synth lines - ex. lenny dee, D.O.A. these are just a few i could think of. **NOTE** these are my own views! if you dissagree or have something to add, go ahead, but please don't start flamming me! thanks! hope this helps. -xaq- "I've had the sort of day that would make|IHateYourGutsYouFuckin'Wankers!! Saint Francis of Assisi kick babies."|IHateYourShitIHateYourManners!!! Douglas Adams|YouThinkYou'reCleverAndSoGenius! |ButIWillNeverBeOneOfYourMembers! |ec8or!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:28:36 -0500 From: Brian Gratrix Subject: re: (mobility) styles -Reply hey there sarah being naive is cool. :) techno: basically anything electronic with a driving beat and sparse vocals, usually samples. a good example would be Lords of Acid. ambient: mellow is the word of the day. relaxed, spacey, futuristic mood music. a good example here would be Air Liquide or Future Sound of London house: this is where it all started. named after a club in (chicago? detroit? i forget which) called The Warehouse, this is pretty much where electronic music split off from hip-hop/rap. a good example of house... hmmm... well, damn near eceryone has at least one song that sounds 'housey'. scratching records, driving hip-hop beats... crowd movers. orbital is a trance group... they're pretty decent. any more questions? :) brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:04:33 -0700 From: "Hypecadet" Subject: Re: (mobility) styles > dub - ambient trip hop - ex. orb I read a magazine article that summed up dub best: Dub=Ambient + Drugs. Lots of drugs.... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MATTMAN417@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) ATR what's a "gabber"???? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:03:18 +0300 (EDT) From: Samu Heinonen Subject: Re: (mobility) ATR At 15.55 1.7.1997 -0400, you wrote: >what's a "gabber"???? > > > gabber is shitty music , what usually come from Countries like Netherlands and Germany etc. really hard techno, with really hard bassdrum, simple synthlines, really fast (bpm 180 or more). i hate it, it is shitty, i dont recommend it. my favourite style of all is house, exspecially without any vocals or just some little diva vocal. ************************************** | Samu Heinonen (samuhei@dlc.fi) | | http://www.dlc.fi/~samuhei/ | | http://www.campbadass.com/lopez/ | ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: katetad@neca.com Subject: (mobility) Marilyn Manson Marilyn Manson similar to Moby??? Ahem I'd say the first *really big* difference that comes to mind is *talent*. Manson is a poseur extraordinaire. I have a friend who is *obsessed* and trys to explain all this stuff about how Manson exposes the hypocrisy which is innate in American democracy by exploring the dichotomy between cultural extremes....bla bla bla. The guy is just a dork playing Halloween games every day and leading all this dorky, misbegotten adolescents to think they're someone special and that they are personnally rebelling by being a 'spooky kid.' Sorry reading all this Manson stuff in the digests I just had to vent. But I could make this kind of Moby-oriented. Last tiem I saw him there was this huge fat chick in a Manson t-shirt w/ dyed black hair and makeup and all that behind me screaming the *whole* tiem at Moby "!@#$% you!!!! You SUCK!!!" And finally I turned around and was just like " you stupid !@$#%$# this is why I'm here and you're ruining it!!!!!" My friend who I was with dragged me away before she could kill me. That sucked. Onew last thing...whomever we determined to possibly be Moby (Samu?) if you are Moby, MARRY ME!! ^.* Kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:03:46 -0500 From: "talk dirty to me" Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson marilyn manson is a child seeking attention moby is rad grrr - ---------- : From: katetad@neca.com : To: mobility@xmission.com : Subject: (mobility) Marilyn Manson : Date: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 5:21 PM : : Marilyn Manson similar to Moby??? Ahem I'd say the first *really big* : difference that comes to mind is *talent*. Manson is a poseur : extraordinaire. I have a friend who is *obsessed* and trys to explain all : this stuff about how Manson exposes the hypocrisy which is innate in : American democracy by exploring the dichotomy between cultural : extremes....bla bla bla. The guy is just a dork playing Halloween games : every day and leading all this dorky, misbegotten adolescents to think : they're someone special and that they are personnally rebelling by being a : 'spooky kid.' : Sorry reading all this Manson stuff in the digests I just had to vent. But : I could make this kind of Moby-oriented. Last tiem I saw him there was : this huge fat chick in a Manson t-shirt w/ dyed black hair and makeup and : all that behind me screaming the *whole* tiem at Moby "!@#$% you!!!! You : SUCK!!!" And finally I turned around and was just like " you stupid : !@$#%$# this is why I'm here and you're ruining it!!!!!" My friend who I : was with dragged me away before she could kill me. That sucked. : Onew last thing...whomever we determined to possibly be Moby (Samu?) if you : are Moby, MARRY ME!! : ^.* Kate : : : ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 19:32:43 -0400 From: Don Douglas Subject: (mobility) (no subject) amen kate!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Danishh@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Raves I might be going to a rave, and personally the rumors of drugs scare me...can I just go and take in the music...or will I be surrounded by people enjoying narcotics? Whatever Podgy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:45:31 -0400 From: L Potter Subject: RE: (mobility) prodigy hey... i just got the new prodigy and i think it's pretty good... to me, it's a helluva lot better than "music for the jilted generation", but again, i still think "experience" is the best... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9514/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:47:52 -0400 From: L Potter Subject: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 hey gang... not sure if anyone else got this, but i thought i'd post it anyways... Moby has been exclusively commissioned by MGM/United Artists to record an updated version of John Barry's classic "James Bond Theme". The track will be released as a single in the autumn as part of the build-up for the 18th James Bond movie, "Tomorrow Never Dies". His next album is set to be a collection of Moby songs that have featured in movies. "I Like To Score" will be released in September on Mute Records (UK/Europe)/Elektra Records (USA/rest of the world). As well as the reworked Bond theme, the album will feature new recordings of Moby classics such as "Go", "I Feel It", and his legendary cover of Joy Division's "New Dawn Fades" (never before released on album), from movies ranging from last year's critically acclaimed "Heat" to recent smashes "Scream" and "The Saint". The album will also include several new tracks from Moby's first full film score; "Double Tap" is produced by Joe Silver of "Die Hard" & "Basic Instinct" fame and stars Patricia Arquette. Meanwhile, Moby has just recorded a version of the Clash's "Straight To Hell" with Heather Nova, to be included on a fothcoming Clash tribute album; he is currently working with the Butthole Surfers on a song for the forthcoming movie "Spawn", before starting work on his third 'proper' album, due for release in 1998. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9514/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: tyler Subject: Re: (mobility) Raves > I might be going to a rave, and personally the rumors of drugs scare me...can > I just go and take in the music...or will I be surrounded by people enjoying > narcotics? Well, my only suggestions is... when you go, try to realize that it's the music that you're there for, not the drugs. Just dance and have fun I guess. - -tyler ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:18:06 -0500 From: "Eric M. Goldberg" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 >Dawn Fades" (never before released on album), from movies ranging from last Never before released?? why do they say that.. Wasnt it on the HEAT soundtrack.. yus vundering btw the prodigy is great but it isnt horrible.. my fav is climbatize.. Oh did that movie Moby is scoring already come out on HBO yet? Double Tap? I hope i didnt miss it!! toodles Eric "There are only two kinds of music. Good and the other kind." -Duke Ellington- Eric M. Goldberg gold@netrox.net http://www.netrox.net/~gold/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:20:11 -0600 From: "John K. Coffey II" Subject: Re: (mobility) prodigy I got the cd yesterday too. I don't think it is that bad. It definately is not the old prodigy but I do like most of it and there are several bad songs. But this is my oppion as a techno and any other type of electronic music/alternitive music fan John K. Coffey II john@coffey.com www.coffey.com/~john ---- From: L Potter To: mobility@mail.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 7:53 PM Subject: RE: (mobility) prodigy >hey... i just got the new prodigy and i think it's pretty good... to me, >it's a helluva lot better than "music for the jilted generation", but >again, i still think "experience" is the best... >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9514/ > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:35:50 -0500 From: "Eric M. Goldberg" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 >btw the prodigy is great but it isnt horrible.. >my fav is climbatize.. woops! i did a little mistyping there. let me rephrase that BTW the prodigy cd isNT great but it isNT horrible.. deah, now back to your regularly scheduled program Eric "There are only two kinds of music. Good and the other kind." -Duke Ellington- Eric M. Goldberg gold@netrox.net http://www.netrox.net/~gold/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:35:20 -0500 From: John Turpin Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility Digest V1 #46 L Potter wrote: >What was the name of that compilation??? _Trance Europe Express_. Please trim your quotes in the future. - -- C The C.O.D. John Turpin | O D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:46:44 -0500 (CDT) From: theShackofXaq Subject: Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Eric M. Goldberg wrote: > Never before released?? why do they say that.. Wasnt it on the HEAT > soundtrack.. NDF is also on the "feeling so real" single. the complete one. i dunno about the split up version. and it's on that joy division cover CD. someone goofed! - -xaq- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:08:21 -0700 From: Shaun Rader Subject: RE: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 On Tuesday, July 01, 1997 10:47 PM, theShackofXaq [SMTP:zbentz@d.umn.edu] wrote: > > Never before released?? why do they say that.. Wasnt it on the HEAT > > soundtrack.. > > NDF is also on the "feeling so real" single. the complete one. i dunno > about the split up version. and it's on that joy division cover CD. > someone goofed! I don't think he meant an unreleased track. He said unreleased on an album.. probably meaning a Moby album (not a compilation, not a single..). Shaun . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:09:57 +0300 (EDT) From: Samu Heinonen Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson At 18.21 1.7.1997 -0400, you wrote: >Marilyn Manson similar to Moby??? Ahem I'd say the first *really big* >difference that comes to mind is *talent*. Manson is a poseur >extraordinaire. I have a friend who is *obsessed* and trys to explain all >this stuff about how Manson exposes the hypocrisy which is innate in >American democracy by exploring the dichotomy between cultural >extremes....bla bla bla. The guy is just a dork playing Halloween games >every day and leading all this dorky, misbegotten adolescents to think >they're someone special and that they are personnally rebelling by being a >'spooky kid.' >Sorry reading all this Manson stuff in the digests I just had to vent. But >I could make this kind of Moby-oriented. Last tiem I saw him there was >this huge fat chick in a Manson t-shirt w/ dyed black hair and makeup and >all that behind me screaming the *whole* tiem at Moby "!@#$% you!!!! You >SUCK!!!" And finally I turned around and was just like " you stupid >!@$#%$# this is why I'm here and you're ruining it!!!!!" My friend who I >was with dragged me away before she could kill me. That sucked. >Onew last thing...whomever we determined to possibly be Moby (Samu?) if you >are Moby, MARRY ME!! > ^.* Kate > > > > > i am sorry.. i am not Moby, i wish i would be.. all that talk that i am Moby started when i just joked some guys on list. i could marry you anyways.. ************************************** | Samu Heinonen (samuhei@dlc.fi) | | http://www.dlc.fi/~samuhei/ | | http://www.campbadass.com/lopez/ | ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 01:23:13 EDT From: kpicara@juno.com (sarah j mamott) Subject: Re: (mobility) styles thanks brian and xaq for answering my confusion.. `````````` and brian i know orbital- i love them, i just didnt know what category they fit into.. keep on keepin on all.. sar* who would love to hear a conversation between moby and geddylee>! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 07:50:00 -0500 From: Brian Gratrix Subject: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply >Marilyn Manson similar to Moby??? Ahem I'd say the first *really big* difference that comes to mind is *talent*. exactly.... all manson is is a bunch of industry-standard loud guitars, with some electronics thrown in... no inherent talent... is it a mystery that half of their 'hits' are covers? doesn't surprise me. >The guy is just a dork playing Halloween games every day and leading all this dorky, misbegotten adolescents to think they're someone special and that they are personnally rebelling by being a 'spooky kid.' bingo again... 'yeah, let's take like, a song that everyone knows, and then, like, make it sound all evil and scary and stuff.' i am so sick of the stupid t-shirts with their 'evil' slogans. i'm considering making one of my own that reads 'MARILYN MANSON SUCKS (no, this isn't a clever, witty t-shirt. they really do suck.)' heh heh heh. babbling off topic AGAIN brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 06:32:27 -0700 From: Eric Weiss Subject: (mobility) From Eric well its been a while since I've spoken up on the list.. so I think its time: 1) We have had the Marilyn Manson thread at least 2 other times resulting in a split of people who like MM (like myself) and those who hate MM... On this third time I dont expect anything different.. no ones minds are going to change.. forget it... what it has to do with moby anyway eludes me 2) Big Top Tour: hell yeah! Moby AND Aphex Twin.. its going to just be a huge touring live rave... im just a little scared since they will be playing such HUGE venues (at least in CA) that all the junior high kids are going to be there getting drunk and high and doing stupid concert antics (mosh pits [well for mobys punk stuff it would be okay], fights, etc.). Oh well... 3) Got Prodigy yesterday (and Radiohead...).. stood in line with same junior high kids mentioned above (no offence if you are a junior high kid.. if you are on the mobility list you are mature enough not to be classified with the rest of em). Girls talking about how crazy "that guy with the weird head" is and guys saying how its like "thrash punk but with keyboards instead of guitars"..... uhhhhhh..... yeah.. sure pal.. anyway.. my take on the new prodigy album... not their best... but its still in the top 90% of "electronica" albums out there.. just one question.. did they have to name the first song "Smack My Bitch Up" is this a new trend? techno will now go the way of gansta rap and talk about abuse towards women? oh well... btw: new radiohead is very good for those of you out there who like the guitar/bass/drum/vocals rock n roll thing ummm.... thats about it from here... oh.. Its looking like I might be moving up to Sacramento (im on the east side of the SF Bay right now).. is there anyone on the list in the Sacramento area? if so message me privately... need someone to show me around :) peace - -- 25:C2:6F:56:BF:67:64:21:70:F4:45:90:FD:75:16:CE Eric Weiss Epicentre Productions eric_w@geocities.com "Would ya look at the size of that kid's head! It's the size of a planetoid and it has it's own weather system! Looks like an orange on a toothpick!" =96 Stuart Mackenzie (played by Mike Myers) in So I Married An Axe Murdererer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:38:02 -0400 (EDT) From: tyler Subject: Re: (mobility) From Eric > 1) We have had the Marilyn Manson thread at least 2 other times > resulting in a split of people who like MM (like myself) and those who > hate MM... On this third time I dont expect anything different.. no ones > minds are going to change.. forget it... what it has to do with moby > anyway eludes me and then there's the people who don't like the manson bashing (like me) but don't like Marilyn manson either. > > 3) Got Prodigy yesterday (and Radiohead...).. stood in line with same > junior high kids mentioned above (no offence if you are a junior high > kid.. if you are on the mobility list you are mature enough not to be > classified with the rest of em). Girls talking about how crazy "that guy > with the weird head" is and guys saying how its like "thrash punk but > with keyboards instead of guitars"..... uhhhhhh..... yeah.. sure pal.. > anyway.. my take on the new prodigy album... not their best... but its > still in the top 90% of "electronica" albums out there.. just one > question.. did they have to name the first song "Smack My Bitch Up" is > this a new trend? techno will now go the way of gansta rap and talk > about abuse towards women? oh well... btw: new radiohead is very good > for those of you out there who like the guitar/bass/drum/vocals rock n > roll thing radiohead is one of my favorite bands. They somehow remind me of the pixies, and the singer has that remarkable talent of going michael stipe (i.e. mumbling) on vocals in concert. - -tyler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:38:44 -0400 From: "Andrew Szymczyk" Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply : exactly.... all manson is is a bunch of industry-standard loud : guitars, with some electronics thrown in... no inherent : talent... is it a mystery that half of their 'hits' are covers? : doesn't surprise me. waitaminute...who decides what songs are "hits"? it's the people that listen to the music, right? the one's who buy it, right? it's not manson's fault that half the kids between the ages of 12 and 17 picked sweet dreams to be their slogan song. hell, manson just wanted to cover the eurythmic's. no harm done. i do agree, though, that marilyn is one big "show". in fact, i've seen interviews where he's said just that. it's all put on to make money, and he's doing a dame fine job of raking it in. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:09:57 -0400 (EDT) From: tyler Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply > waitaminute...who decides what songs are "hits"? it's the people > that listen to the music, right? the one's who buy it, right? it's not > manson's fault that half the kids between the ages of 12 and 17 > picked sweet dreams to be their slogan song. hell, manson > just wanted to cover the eurythmic's. no harm done. i do > agree, though, that marilyn is one big "show". in fact, i've seen > interviews where he's said just that. it's all put on to make > money, and he's doing a dame fine job of raking it in. good point, and one the you manson dissers have missed is that moby's ONLY radio hit is a cover song as well. of mission of burma. - -tyler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:06:24 -0500 From: fishlips@ahbqs.com Subject: (mobility) Big Top Tour (was From Eric) MO>2) Big Top Tour: hell yeah! Moby AND Aphex Twin.. Ummm..just a reminder..last time I heard...RDJ wasn't going to be a part of this(was told this from someone at Warp Records)..Still worth going to though..Moby..808 State Ryan Fishlips@ahbqs.com www.ahbqs.com/fishlips/mypage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:56:38 -0500 From: "talk dirty to me" Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply goooood andy goooooooooooooooood. a show is a show money be money he be makin it. if only we were that smart - ---------- : From: Andrew Szymczyk : To: mobility@mail.xmission.com : Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply : Date: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 10:38 PM : : : exactly.... all manson is is a bunch of industry-standard loud : : guitars, with some electronics thrown in... no inherent : : talent... is it a mystery that half of their 'hits' are covers? : : doesn't surprise me. : : waitaminute...who decides what songs are "hits"? it's the people : that listen to the music, right? the one's who buy it, right? it's not : manson's fault that half the kids between the ages of 12 and 17 : picked sweet dreams to be their slogan song. hell, manson : just wanted to cover the eurythmic's. no harm done. i do : agree, though, that marilyn is one big "show". in fact, i've seen : interviews where he's said just that. it's all put on to make : money, and he's doing a dame fine job of raking it in. : ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:57:04 -0500 (CDT) From: theShackofXaq Subject: (mobility) and now...back to moby! i love to see how many people feel a need to speak up at the mention of marilyn manson. it just goes to show how much of an impact they've made. i'm happy! anyway, a while back moby was rumored to have played a show or shows with MM. did that ever happen? and if so, did moby have anything to say about it? and please, i've shown *GREAT* restraint by not responding to all your MM comments. let them stop here, ok? thanks, - -xaq- "I've had the sort of day that would make Saint Francis of Assisi kick babies." "Expect me when you see me!" <<-Gandalf Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 11:16:06 EDT From: kpicara@juno.com (sarah j mamott) Subject: Re: (mobility) radiohead >radiohead is one of my favorite bands. They somehow remind me of the >pixies, and the singer has that remarkable talent of going michael >stipe (i.e. mumbling) on vocals in concert. i saw r.e.m. in 95, and radiohead opened, and all my friend and i could talk about were the startling similarities between mike and thom.. the only obvious difference being m's tasty superhero cape.. i think that of all 'bands,' radiohead is one of the best at capturing emotion in the music itself, sans vocals.. and then when the vocals *are* added, its a wonderful experience.. to anyone who has the new album, is there anything different from the previous couple albums>? sar* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:29:49 +0000 From: "Nick Paul" Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply > : exactly.... all manson is is a bunch of industry-standard loud > : guitars, with some electronics thrown in... no inherent > : talent... is it a mystery that half of their 'hits' are covers? > : doesn't surprise me. who gets to decide who has talent? i mean anyone that sells a few million records obviously has some talent, wether its musical talent or warping peoples mind talent thats up to you to decide. but i think we would all agree he is talented at making money. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 16:17:28 -0400 From: Matt Carlton Subject: Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 At 09:47 PM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >hey gang... not sure if anyone else got this, but i thought i'd post it >anyways... i used to get these updates regularly, but they must have deleted me from their mailing list. can someone give me the info on how to resubscribe? thanks. love, ryu "John Lennon would have never written the beautiful music he wrote at the end of his life if he hadn't gone through what he did with Yoko. He would have never written "Imagine". And "Imagine", thank God, is going to be around in 2000 years, but a song like "I am the Walrus" isn't. You know why? Because John wasn't the Walrus, he was John." - O(+> *****NNNOOOOOONNNEEEMMMAAANNNSSSHHHAAALLLBBBEEERRRUUULLLEEERRR***** Ryu * ryu97@twd.net * 412-869-0908 IowotflaichiNoromDreamboyCipherStoicDonQuixoteJonZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 11:16:06 EDT From: kpicara@juno.com (sarah j mamott) Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply >bingo again... 'yeah, let's take like, a song that everyone >knows, and then, like, make it sound all evil and scary and >stuff.' i am so sick of the stupid t-shirts with their 'evil' >slogans. i'm considering making one of my own that reads >'MARILYN MANSON SUCKS (no, this isn't a clever, witty >t-shirt. they really do suck.)' heh heh heh. im really sorry i didnt let the mm discussion die, but its not really about the band itself.. the thing that bothers me so much isnt marilyn manson, its the fans who act like now all of a sudden they are these scary 'goth' ppl when yesterday they were listening to green day. its just like the korn kids with their adidas gear. i mean, true, these ppl arent hurting anyone. but what are they trying to prove>? do they think we will think they are like mm if they look like them>? i have no problem with anyone listening (listening= what you should do to thier music) to any kind of music, but i *do* have a problem when ppl change themselves or their so-called beliefs just in order to fit in with the 'style' they like. do you see all of us shaving our heads so we can be like moby>? do we all follow his beliefs, and if we do, is it just because he does it>? these stores like hot topic that carry black lipstick and chains and bumper stickers that say, 'put the fun back in funeral'.. they have a freakin 15 year old clientel, and this doesnt Bother anyone>? nope, as long as sales are up. woooooo. im really goin off here so i'd better get off my sudsbox. anyways, i just think its these 15-yr-old fans who give mm a bad rep amongst 50% of the population. keep it on.. sar* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Ruh Subject: Re: (mobility) styles > > > dub - ambient trip hop - ex. orb > > I read a magazine article that summed up dub best: > Dub=Ambient + Drugs. Lots of drugs.... > :) Um, I have to disagree with this definition of dub. Dub is a style of bass- heavy music with Jamiacan (sp?) origins. It certainly preceeded "ambient" and "trip hop". Jamaican? Aw, sometimes it just doesn't look like it is spelled right any way. Sorry. I don't mean to be anal about these definitions. Just trying to share with the rest of the class. Peace, Brian - -- "We all need to be resources / Rather than recepticles" - Citizen Fish "The subculture is the main line and what we see around us is the anomaly." - Gary Snyder ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For all your needs since 1977: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~beruh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:43:48 -0400 From: fanboy@tiac.net Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply At 12:09 PM 7/2/97 -0400, you wrote: > >good point, and one the you manson dissers have missed is that moby's ONLY >radio hit is a cover song as well. of mission of burma. > but moby is/was huge in clubs. need i remind you of "GO?" moby has earned respect in his genra as a fore runner of it. marilyn manson has always been considered pretenders, by those who knew of them back in the day. see you in arkham. gideon - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 22:14:10 -0600 From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) moby update - june 1997 Matt Carlton wrote: > > i used to get these updates regularly, but they must have deleted me > from their mailing list. can someone give me the info on how to > resubscribe? thanks. That's interesting... I didn't get the last one either. I just figured it was some kind of fluke and was going to wait until someone mentioned it or until it happened again. Anyone have any answers? BTW... check out Daniel's web page... I think the subscription info is on there http://www.moby.org/ Cheers! - -- ** mailto:damian@xmission.com ** Moby - Erasure - Jam & Spoon ** http://www.xmission.com/~damian/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 02:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: DropABeat@aol.com Subject: (mobility) lopez hey fellow beat-droppers: if anyone can help me out, please do. i had (and still have) a chance to purchase =93emptiness=94 and =93why can=92t it stop?=94 by lopez (both on= cd). they look real cool, but i just want to know if anyone already has them. also,= is there a domestic release of voodoo child=92s =93the end of everything?=94= -- unless it=92s simply mind-blowing, i don=92t want to pay $26.99 for the import. = thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 01:13:42 -0700 From: Daniel Cerman Subject: Re: (mobility) lopez DropABeat@aol.com wrote: > if anyone can help me out, please do. i had (and still have) a chance t= o > purchase =93emptiness=94 and =93why can=92t it stop?=94 by lopez (both = on cd). they > look real cool, but i just want to know if anyone already has them. als= o, is I have them. They are minimal underground-style dance tracks, for lack of me knowing a better way to classify them. They are not melodic like much of Moby's other music, and they won't appeal to most people. But if you have the chance, get them, especially "Why Can't It Stop?". It's a good track that is apparently based on "Everytime You Touch Me (Na Feel Mix)", or vice versa. > there a domestic release of voodoo child=92s =93the end of everything?=94= -- unless > it=92s simply mind-blowing, i don=92t want to pay $26.99 for the import= . thanks. Wait one month. The Voodoo Child album is supposed to come out in the US on July 29th. I think that CDnow (http://www.cdnow.com) has the import on sale for a reasonable price, but I'm not sure. It is a wonderful mini-album of simple electronic music. Daniel Cerman dcerman@verinet.com http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 07:22:29 -0500 From: Brian Gratrix Subject: Re: (mobility) Marilyn Manson -Reply -Reply > : guitars, with some electronics thrown in... no inherent > : talent... is it a mystery that half of their 'hits' are covers? >who gets to decide who has talent? i mean anyone that sells i think it's fairly easy to tell whether the strength of someone's music comes from gimic or talent. the masses will always choose a good gimic (form) over good talent (content). brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: tyler Subject: Re: (mobility) radiohead > i saw r.e.m. in 95, and radiohead opened, and all my friend and i could > talk about were the startling similarities between mike and thom.. the > only obvious difference being m's tasty superhero cape.. > i think that of all 'bands,' radiohead is one of the best at capturing > emotion in the music itself, sans vocals.. and then when the vocals *are* > added, its a wonderful experience.. r.e.m. does a pretty damn good job of that too, even if some of them aren't the best musicians in the world. Them and the VU. > to anyone who has the new album, is there anything different from the > previous couple albums>? I don't have it, but from what everyone has told me, it's darker. - -tyler ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 18:05:13 +0300 (EDT) From: Samu Heinonen Subject: Re: (mobility) lopez At 01.13 3.7.1997 -0700, you wrote: >DropABeat@aol.com wrote: >> if anyone can help me out, please do. i had (and still have) a chance to >> purchase "emptiness" and "why can't it stop?" by lopez (both on cd). they >> look real cool, but i just want to know if anyone already has them. also, is > >I have them. They are minimal underground-style dance tracks, for >lack of me knowing a better way to classify them. They are not >melodic like much of Moby's other music, and they won't appeal to >most people. But if you have the chance, get them, especially "Why >Can't It Stop?". It's a good track that is apparently based on >"Everytime You Touch Me (Na Feel Mix)", or vice versa. > >> there a domestic release of voodoo child's "the end of everything?" -- unless >> it's simply mind-blowing, i don't want to pay $26.99 for the import. thanks. > >Wait one month. The Voodoo Child album is supposed to come out in >the US on July 29th. I think that CDnow (http://www.cdnow.com) has >the import on sale for a reasonable price, but I'm not sure. It is >a wonderful mini-album of simple electronic music. > >Daniel Cerman >dcerman@verinet.com >http://www.moby.org/ > > > by the way, is anyone having "Why can't it stop" to sell.. or could you tell me some place where you can have it (not mutebank or some cdnow , their prices are too much for me, because of shipping + other payments to Finland).. ************************************** | Samu Heinonen (samuhei@dlc.fi) | | http://www.dlc.fi/~samuhei/ | | http://www.campbadass.com/lopez/ | ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:34:45 -0600 From: "John K. Coffey II" Subject: Re: (mobility) radiohead does any one know of a mailing list for any or all of these three bands: atari teenage riot Chemical Brothers and Future sounds of london I would love to join a mailing list for any of these and currently am a memeber of several mailing list for techno/industrial bands. if you know of any list for these or would like to know which groups I am on let me know John K. Coffey II john@coffey.com www.coffey.com/~john ---- From: tyler To: mobility@mail.xmission.com Date: Thursday, July 03, 1997 7:01 AM Subject: Re: (mobility) radiohead >> i saw r.e.m. in 95, and radiohead opened, and all my friend and i could >> talk about were the startling similarities between mike and thom.. the >> only obvious difference being m's tasty superhero cape.. >> i think that of all 'bands,' radiohead is one of the best at capturing >> emotion in the music itself, sans vocals.. and then when the vocals *are* >> added, its a wonderful experience.. > >r.e.m. does a pretty damn good job of that too, even if some of them >aren't the best musicians in the world. Them and the VU. > >> to anyone who has the new album, is there anything different from the >> previous couple albums>? > >I don't have it, but from what everyone has told me, it's darker. > >-tyler > > ------------------------------ End of mobility Digest V1 #47 ***************************** To subscribe to mobility Digest, send the command: subscribe mobility-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-mobility": subscribe mobility-digest local-mobility@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "mobility-digest" in the commands above with "mobility". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/mobility/archive. 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