From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V1 #121 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 121 Re: (mobility) mobypic going down... Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby RE: (mobility) k-tel minus moby RE: (mobility) k-tel minus moby [none] Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby (mobility) media killed the techno star (mobility) Re: NIETSZCHE discussion Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star (mobility) Moby merchandise Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star (mobility) e-chat suggestion Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star Re: (mobility) (no subject) Re: (mobility) (no subject) (mobility) that k-tel thing Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star (mobility) Moby merchandise RE: (mobility) media vs. the techno star ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:53:19 -0500 From: Ryu Subject: Re: (mobility) mobypic going down... i forgot to give yins the url again....sorry, it's at: http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/w/jwz109/wellhung.htm thanks, ryu At 11:14 AM 3/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >hey everyone. >this is just a note to let you know that i'm gonna be >removing that moby pic from playboy with the sock from >my page today, so if you want to see it, see it now. >i believe that daniel will be putting it in his archive >soon though.... > >thanks, >ryu > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > My name is Ryu. I make hard emotional > electronic music. To hear some, get cds, > and see stuff, go to my homepage at: >http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/w/jwz109/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Ryu | jwz109@psu.edu | 814-867-0756 >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My name is Ryu. I make hard emotional electronic music. To hear some, get cds, and see stuff, go to my homepage at: http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/w/jwz109/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ryu | jwz109@psu.edu | 814-867-0756 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: travelling without moving Subject: Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby most improtant tracks--I'm all for have you seen my baby from rare and collected bsides, feeling so real from EIW--hell, I'm for most of moby... marjorana - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't anybody see? We've got a war to fight. Regardless of what they say, how can it feel this wrong? I've got nobody on my side and surely that ain't right." -Portishead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:30:34 -0500 From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) k-tel minus moby >most improtant tracks--I'm all for have you seen my baby from rare and >collected bsides, feeling so real from EIW--hell, I'm for most of >moby... > >marjorana Are these your favorites or what you think are most important? If the latter, why are they important? - -Steve Giles who is good at asking questions, but not answering them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:39:21 -0500 (EST) From: travelling without moving Subject: RE: (mobility) k-tel minus moby > Are these your favorites or what you think are most important? If the > latter, why are they important? They are some of my favortites of his more hardcore stuff--"important" is such a vague term...I don't know if I can describe Moby in that way and do him any sort of justice. - --marjorana - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't anybody see? We've got a war to fight. Regardless of what they say, how can it feel this wrong? I've got nobody on my side and surely that ain't right." -Portishead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:05:03 -0700 From: Damian Subject: [none] From: William de Bruin To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: VPRO Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:25:08 +0100 > Please note the following letter was sent by a non-member < > Any reply will not be seen by him unless specifically < > addressed. Hopefully this info will be useful to someone < > < > owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com < Moby will be featured in an episode of VPRO Late, a cultural magazine on national tv in (alas) Holland. The episode is dedicated to the subject of 100 Years of Nietzsche: what role can artists and philosophers play in the search for new meanings that characterizes our fin-de-millenium. Other interviewees a.o. Alain Finkielkraut and Peter Sloterdijk. Unsubscribe please William de Bruijn research Laat op de avond na een korte wandeling t: ++ 31 - (0) 35 - 6 712 786 f: ++ 31 - (0) 35 - 6 712 733 e: wilbru@vpro.nl w: http://www.vpro.nl/laat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:43:08 -0800 From: "Rekkit" Subject: Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby >so what do you gals and guys think? what track(s) by moby >have been most IMPORTANT to electronic music of this decade? Go is the obvious answer, and I hate to say it but it deserves it. Thousand was probably instrumental in helping people with no devices for detecting subtlety come up with throbbing speed-techno... None of my favorite Moby tracks are his techno ones actually. Love Song For My Mom (both version) & Living are absolutely astounding. The Rain Falls & The Sky Shudders....actually what the hell am I talking about...Shining, Hymn (This Is My Dream) & the UHFs are among my favorites... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:22:14 -0800 From: rfu@stitch.com Subject: Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby Ryu wrote: > > >but what about moby? > >you'd think if k-tel was gonna do an "electronica's best" > >it would HAVE TO have moby? > >any idea why he's not rpresented here? > > my feelings on this is that moby doesn't make groundbreaking > electronic music anymore. the stuff he makes these days > that is worthwhile is his more ambient/theatrical material like > "the end of everything" and "little idiot". i see these songs > as being the Adult Contemporary of late 90s electronic music. > they don't appeal to most people just getting into the chemical > brothers or whoever, and it's that audience that k-tel is > marketing for. if it were a compilation of the most important > pieces of electronic music from the 90s, then i think that > moby absolutely MUST be on it....of course, we're talking k-tel > here, so even if they would do a comp like that, the only > track they'd consider would be "go". > > so what do you gals and guys think? what track(s) by moby > have been most IMPORTANT to electronic music of this decade? > From the artists on there it sounds more like the album isn't so much the most important pieces of the 90s but just of the last year or so, so I would think OIL 1 or maybe James Bond Theme would have been good to represent Moby on there. Also I think Moby will reclaim his throne as electronic disco king after his next album which is supposed to be all techno dance stuff. I'm sure it won't be ALL like Next Is the E for example, but I bet that he will have some new techno singles... paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:05:13 -0800 From: Daniel Lee Subject: Re: (mobility) k-tel minus moby I think I can safely say that I LOVE most of Moby's music, but it seems like one of his most brilliant songs is always overlooked. "Barracuda" is, in my opinion, not only of Moby's best, but one of TECHNO'S best. It is easily one of the most awesome electronic songs I have ever experienced. Dan. AKA Barracudan. Rekkit wrote: > >so what do you gals and guys think? what track(s) by moby > >have been most IMPORTANT to electronic music of this decade? > > Go is the obvious answer, and I hate to say it but it deserves it. Thousand > was probably instrumental in helping people with no devices for detecting > subtlety come up with throbbing speed-techno... > > None of my favorite Moby tracks are his techno ones actually. Love Song For > My Mom (both version) & Living are absolutely astounding. The Rain Falls & > The Sky Shudders....actually what the hell am I talking about...Shining, > Hymn (This Is My Dream) & the UHFs are among my favorites... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:18:00 -0800 From: Alexander3@webtv.net (Alvin) Subject: (mobility) media killed the techno star Hey all! I read in 94-95 that most of the techno world called moby a traitor for wanting to be known. Funny how it all works out. Everyone knows the chem bros, daft punk, prodigy, etc., while Moby is still virtually invisible. In a way, I like how it all worked out. I got tired of the others when I heard them on heavy rotations. And it was "modern rock" stations that was playing them. I hate that concept with a passion! At least, they don't play Moby. I personally prefer how Moby exists now. That when I talk to my friends about Moby, no one else has a clue of what we're talking about. I like the "who's Moby?" look on their faces. In a strange way, I feel good that I'm experiencing something wonderful and others are not. It sounds cruel, but very few of these people can appreciate his talent. And it's always nice bumping into strangers whom I have nice Moby conversations with when I wear a Moby shirt. I forgot who said it but I don't know how I'd handle it if Moby got trendy. That my little bro would start liking him because everyone else is. Moby would be meaningless then. I'd hate to see that. But I think the man has a need to reach superstardom, though. If that's what makes him happy, hey... I just hope that when the trend fades and Moby's 15 min is up, he can be as creative and talented as now. That his fame does not ultimately destroy him. And we can go back to as we are now. 'Cuz we're all in it for the life-long, right!? This is my rambling. Thanks for listening. Groove on! - Alvin Alexander3@webtv.net "torn" - natalie imbruglia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 1956 11:11:58 +0000 From: Your Name Subject: (mobility) Re: NIETSZCHE discussion damian>>>>> regarding the nietszche link) i tried it a couple times and my computer has crashed all three attempts>>>>>> is anybody else experiencing this????? that should be an interesting discussion>>>>>>>>>> kinda curious>>>>>>> i also need a reminder where to go to put my desert island list>>>>>>>> as far as my vote for most important song moby has done i'm not sure but as for favorites for me feeling so real was and always will be the song (along with bring back my happiness and everytime you touch me) that set it off for me as far as moby goes>>>>>>> it came along at a time where the love and violence that exists side by side in those songs went straight to the core of my being opened me up like a huge gaping wound exposed to the universe and crying for more>>>>>>>> dumb huh? but it did mark a point where it was made clear that techno could become very very emotional and alive and something more than dope beats providing point on some dance-floor> CC: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:25:11 -0600 From: Rob Skipworth Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star > when I wear a Moby shirt. I've recently noticed how i've never seen much in the way of merchandise from moby. Does it not exist or do I just not know where to get it? I would love to get my hands a new moby t-shirt but where the hell can i buy it? I've seen stuff from prodigy, chemical brothers, hell even fatboy slim but I have yet to see a moby sticker, or poster or t-shirt. If anyone knows where I can find such stuff please let me know. rob s ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:32:37 -0800 From: Alexander3@webtv.net (Alvin) Subject: (mobility) Moby merchandise You can always write Moby and ask for a merchandise list of things but that usually takes a loooonnnggg time. I don't know if www.moby.org has some info on things like that. I don't know about the US version of AR, but the Mute release has some shirts, etc. for mail order. You have to order from them. It would be more expensive because of shipping and you have to convert $ to pounds. Hope that helps a little. - Alvin Alexander3@webtv.net "the way" - fastball ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 1956 11:26:55 +0000 From: Your Name Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star > Moby would be > meaningless then. I'd hate to see that. if we ARE to judge him>>>>>>> let us never do it on the basis of whether anybody else likes him or not>>>> not that i am a christian but it would be a bit like the 12 disciples denouncing christ just because his worshippers grew in numbers>>>>>>>> it is a problem with all government and religion that it//they want to be THE expert or AUTHORITY on a matter or a resource>>>>>> moby is almost a resource by now you know chevron and surge has viewed him as such but he is a man and one we dig for doing what he does best>>>>>>>> and alvin buddy....you hit it on the head when you said we're in it for the life-long>>>>>>>>>> i'm telling you after the world gets through with moby he will probably really need fans like you>>>>>>>> so let's just stay for the show and if we're lucky he and we'll all be rockin and shockin til we're all damned gray!!!!!!! hahaha actually i'm twice as close than most of you but i don't look it don't act it don't think it and shoot i don even give a rat's ass anyway cuz i was a punk before moby was a punk>>>>>> and well........who cares....cuz we're all in it for the life-long>>>>> and you were a punk before your little brother was one and he will before his son is one and on and on and on peace love an@rchy clay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 1956 11:31:57 +0000 From: Your Name Subject: (mobility) e-chat suggestion this was suggested once before just as i first joined but what's everybody think about having a chat for like one hour via e-mail kind of a free for all where we all just kinda have an e-chat?????? kinda like now but we all know each other is on or does that sound stupid and would it be too much for damian to handle all the goofy mail????? it would be kinda fun though>>>>>> no? CC: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:56:01 -0800 From: Alexander3@webtv.net (Alvin) Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star I'm sorry Clay, but I think your little religious analogy was a bit off. I mean, it would be okay to see more Moby fans if they know what it's all about. And that's what happened with religion. People know the meaning. But to have my little bro like Moby just because he sounds good and that his friends and his friends' friends think he's cool without any meaning behind it is different. A better analogy would be like... going to church every Sunday and not having any clue what the sermon is about and not caring what it's about. Sorry. If you or anybody else has a problem with this, E me privately. - Alvin Alexander3@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:22:30 -0800 From: rfu@stitch.com Subject: Re: (mobility) (no subject) phathead@flash.net wrote: > > Here's some more info on the live Moby tracks. > I havn't heard them yet, but they are probably > from the Big Top show here. > Go to http://www.kdge.com for more and the complete > track listing > RT > phathead@flash.net I can't find anything about Moby there, where is it? Did anyone find it? later paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:47:28 +0100 From: Jonathan Ruano Subject: Re: (mobility) (no subject) On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 03:22:30AM -0800, rfu@stitch.com wrote: > phathead@flash.net wrote: > > > > Here's some more info on the live Moby tracks. > > I havn't heard them yet, but they are probably > > from the Big Top show here. > > Go to http://www.kdge.com for more and the complete > > track listing > > RT > > phathead@flash.net > > I can't find anything about Moby there, where is it? > Did anyone find it? Yeah.. just select the bar with hand-written "the live edge sessions vol II" and you'll get to a list of RA tracks (the server is bad configured and it say they're text/plain, but you can save as, and then listen them with your player). Jonathan. - -- 512/781AF549 1997/11/26 Jonathan Ruano (low-sec) Key fingerprint = 7A 87 8E 82 50 82 1D 19 CD BE 3E 20 FA 80 6F 8F For more bits, browse http://www.encomix.es/users/jonah/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:45:38 -0700 From: Dan Legare Subject: (mobility) that k-tel thing i say 'thousand' would be my candidate. never heard anything like it before, and probably never will. more terrifying than the scariest, and more bold than anything i have ever heard before. this track will forever stand alone as being a scheer example of brilliance. yeah-i would also have to vote the entire 'end of everything' (u.k. version) cd as also being a great contribution to the ambient/electronic noise craze of the '90's. funny, all this will seem 'retro' in a few years-if it isn't already... Dan Legare Nettwerk Mail Order Department danny@nettwerk.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Nettwerk Productions-Box 330 1755 Robson St. Vancouver, BC V6G 2B5 PH-604.654.2929 FX-604.654.1993 Email-info@nettwerk.com http://www.nettwerk.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 1956 21:25:01 +0000 From: Your Name Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star alvin....... there is no problem with what you ARE saying i am just pointing out a very real dilemna that occurs with all of us that were somewhere first discovering it relishing in the joy of knowing something almost secret being part of something special>>>>>> for instance i have 2 kids my boy is 12 now and my girl is 18 (split home at 17) since 94-5 i've been raving moby at least once every thousand hours of course i wanted my kids to know what was the coolest thing but were they interested? not really but about the time mtv starts saying moby might produce courtney love's cd their ears perk up a little and then later moby's on another soundtrack and then another (by now my daughter is into it) and then i forget what it was (but i think it was scream1) my son becomes VERY VERY interested he starts taking EIW into his room and taking it when he spent the night places he and i actually crank it in the studio together and listen as father and son AND HE READS all of the cover!!!!!!!!!!!!! so even if he started liking MOBY for ALL THE WRONG REASONS he ended up appreciating him for many of the right ones>>>>>>>> it's happening everywhere>>>>>>> there is no problem you are right clay evolution2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:52:51 -0700 From: Daniel Cerman Subject: (mobility) Moby merchandise [was Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star] Rob Skipworth wrote: > I've recently noticed how i've never seen much in the way of merchandise > from moby. Does it not exist or do I just not know where to get it? I > would love to get my hands a new moby t-shirt but where the hell can i buy > it? Email def@mail.bogo.co.uk for merchandise information. Also, check out the following URLs... they might help. http://www.rise.co.uk/underworld http://www.moby.org/merc.html Daniel Cerman http://www.moby.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:08:50 -0500 From: Steve Giles Subject: RE: (mobility) media vs. the techno star >that were somewhere first >discovering it >relishing in the joy of knowing something almost secret >being part of something special>>>>>> This is something I can identify with 100%. When I play Moby with friends over, they never complain, (they know better) but also because they don't mind it, it's not bad music to them. Yet at the same time they don't pay much attention, or ask questions, or get interested at all. What makes us different than mainstream listeners? I wonder. For many people, they must first hear it on a radio station or in background in a movie or on MTV for it to interest them. There's that undefinable element that make them recognize it as 'cool' music, that they like. Then you have the people who are a bit more critical and less media followers. They follow themselves, instead. When they hear a song they do some non-numerical instinctual formula in their heads and if they like the music they remember it, pursue it...and in turn, think about it more. I daresay, they ENJOY it more. But since quite often their ears lead them away from the mainstream (quite often, in my case) they feel like a member of a secret club that anyone could join but don't bother to, and the others don't know what they're missing. Hence, when the mainstream media culture embraces the discriminating listener's interest he get annoyed! This links back to what I was saying yesterday about the difference between people who think about what the see and hear and the people who are just riding TODAY's bandwagon. I'm not dissing all mainstream culture, there's good stuff out there. But more often that not, I'm subjected to horrible things that I can't abide. Especially when all my siblings are running around like wanna-be gangstas and Mmmmbopping me out of the house. I feel exasperated when I try to share a Moby song I think will appeal to my sister with her and she just shrugs it off without giving the slightest attention. Where is America looking at? And why the hell are they looking there? Some things I'll never understand. ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V1 #121 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.