From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V1 #278 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Friday, November 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 278 (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? (mobility) Moby and Virgin Megastore (mobility) Re: @@@@@@ Re: c'mon babies...? (mobility) stuph Re: (mobility) Vinyl update: Harmonics Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? Re: (mobility) c'mon babies... Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 11:46:39 +0000 From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? > who "stinks"? That seems a bit offensive. especially when it's just thrown > out by someone too scared to confront the person whom it was aimed at. I'm > an advocate of people confronting each other one on one if they have some > problem. doesn't it seem slightly more productive than getting other people > involved who might not even have anything to do with it? I think people > often complain about the qualities of others that they actually posses and > secretely despise in themselves. andrew if you are talking to me.....say so.....if you're talking to someone else....say so> when you're being so general about the old timers and newcomers it really makes it an 'us' and 'them' argument which just won't hold water. (cause half us old-timers don't see eye to eye on that much...really) the issue is: whether we can discuss things on this list which go beyond the scope of something which DIRECTLY pertains to one richard hall aka Moby or whether we can discuss the things which moby has often himself discussed> i.e. vegetarianism, veganism, religion, jesus christ, sex, pollution, hypocrisy, crime, ignorance, hate, music, culture, conformism, capitalism, everythingism, nothingism, and the right to be one's self without restrictions placed upon one's mode of thinking or behavior if it doesn't hurt the rest of society and/or even if it does (who decides?.....DEATH PENALTY) and yea sir i have complained about the complainers and i will say it again i have a name and if you're addressing me then do so....... let's not be hiding as you've suggested some of us are. we can be polite but let us also be DIRECT. i am not suggesting we all leave the list by no means! what i was talking about was creating a forum which MOBY FANS could freely discuss whatever the fuck they wanted to do without some technocratic nerd going let's please keep it to beats per minute and information regarding the frequencies within the range of normal human absorption dilation and resuscitation........... THAT"S WHEN I WANNA REACH FOR MY FUCKIN REVOLVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ya know tho i don't even care if you think this is exciting or even the least bit interesting then fine> i find more bloodletting and soul-searching amongst young and old on an astrology list than with the likes of this list at times> we've reached the point of rock-star worship-discussion only please........ and that is, in my estimation, everything that moby has stood against> the only reason I DON"T GO is that i'm not the kind of baby (and you did say "baby" didn't you?) who runs away just cause i pissed someone off or just to prove that i don't need you. this is a fine list with many fine friends and fellow humans that i don't always agree with> they know who they are as we often address each other by name> so if ya wanna take this discussion outside (the list) let's do so and have FUN with it THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING!!!!!!!!! let's talk without some people shouting that we're not talking about MOBY!!!!!!! shit....if it wasn't for us there'd be NO ONE talking about moby!!!!!!!! history: this summer, i fell in love with this german woman who was bright and beautiful....but i knew we were in trouble quite early when, during about our fifth night of serious, but fun, discussion/conversations....she starts talking about this little european actress which she much admired because, as she said, "everytime i'd read about her in the press, she'd always have something strongly persuasive to say about feminism....." at which point, i said, "well, that's great, let's talk about feminism!" and she starts almost yelling " well....i certainly don't want to get involved in a lengthy discussion about feminism just because i said she was a feminist.........!!!!!" and that's how the rest of my summer went> and well....that's how i feel about now. what i've always said was don't demand to talk about god if ya can't tlak about the devil>>>>>> they are part of the same old story. and it is not that i'm venting my female troubles on you guys....... as i'm okay with things as they are (though i would never say no to any improvement that might come hither.) there are times i do get bored with this list and there are times when i really enjoy the list like this last week....especially. it was like people going off and then complainers going off and then complainers complaining about the complainers and before ya know it we got this serious nutty but lively dance going on. so xaQ? whhadaya think? giles? killpatient? simpson....plov? kelly/ april.....eli....ade? brad? dan? greg? all ya? gingerbread? damian? can we talk? anyway hope your thanksgiving was as good as mine........ ours was small and tight and nutty and even had it's share of beefing and hugging> so just wanna let ya know i love ya all but even more when you're lively. so wake up! and as far as i'm concerned, all new-comers are totally welcome to do what a young moby fan does>> rave on.......(my delete button is in perfect order) clay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:44:26 -0800 From: "Andrew Mullen" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? - -----Original Message----- From: clay To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? >> who "stinks"? That seems a bit offensive. especially when it's just thrown >> out by someone too scared to confront the person whom it was aimed at. I'm >> an advocate of people confronting each other one on one if they have some >> problem. doesn't it seem slightly more productive than getting other people >> involved who might not even have anything to do with it? I think people >> often complain about the qualities of others that they actually posses and >> secretely despise in themselves. > > >andrew >if you are talking to me.....say so.....if you're talking to someone >else....say so> to be honest clay, I don't remember who wrote that 'homeless, annoying, stinking person' comment but I had a reaction to it. what can I say? I had a reaction and I wrote. >and yea sir i have complained about the complainers that was kind of a joke (perhaps not a very funny one?) about how everyone lately seems to be in the business of complaining endlessly (like me for example). >i have a name and if you're addressing me >then do so....... let's not be hiding as you've suggested some of us >are. I don't suggest that anyone's 'hiding' per se. but, I just thought that post, that I referred to earlier, stuck out like a sore thumb and I found myself very....curious and reactionary about that. like I said, I didn't recall who wrote that one; I deleted it a few days ago. It seemed so....angry. which is great I suppose, however, it would've helped to know WHO it was directed towards (did I miss some earlier post...is my ADD kicking in again?) : {)> >we can be polite but let us also be DIRECT. that's my point too. perhaps you expressed it more clearly. >the only reason I DON"T GO >is that i'm not the kind of baby (and you did say "baby" didn't you?) yes I did. again, not aimed at you or anybody in particular. not even meant as an insult. btw: what do you think about the song? (that was the main reason of my last post, hence the subject title). thanks for the quick reply, ok. - --android SpaceRock@email.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:48:25 PST From: "Jake M." Subject: (mobility) Moby and Virgin Megastore Just recently I visisted the new Virgin Megastore in Denver, CO. It is really great...I was so overwhelmed I forgot what I was looking for, but they did have many copies of Disk and AR w/ Little Idiot. Those where the only two that I found that I had never seen before at any other store. They also had a few of EIW, EOE (including the UK Import), Ambient, ILTS and Ambient. I also saw Honey and Honey Remixes at a local Best Buy...it was a pleasant suprise. Just some of my findings if anyone is interested. Jake NP: Manic Street Preachers "This is my truth tell me yours UK" - -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 13:05:16 +0000 From: clay Subject: (mobility) Re: @@@@@@ Re: c'mon babies...? > to be honest clay, I don't remember who wrote that 'homeless, annoying, > stinking person' comment but I had a reaction to it. what can I say? I had a > reaction and I wrote. > @@@@@@ andrew that message was posted by xaq and was kind of typical of the sort of aloof condescension one might expect from our lofty one......... needless to say it was a troubling post because i found it to be indirect and pointless and presumtious (like anyone had a clue what he was talking about) [maybe there was an inside joke only obvious to a chosen few] personally i don't care if it was the wizoid of oiz it still rang stanky ya see when it comes to commentary i always believe that saying something as clearly as possible (if you're not too drunk) is always to everybody's benefit. anyway i try to be clear......... and sorry if i'm not always truly polite but at least i ain't elusive. you know WHO i AM. clay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 05:21:12 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) stuph happy belated thanksgiving!!!!!!! the crystal method....i think their remix of COB is _OK_. but i prefer the original. mostly because of that guitar solo at the end, which is just unplaceable in the techno version. thats one of the bad things about techno, you cant really have guitar solos. i guess. maybe you can. but not in like normal standard techno. of course, now that i think of it, that CM song "comin back" has a solo in it. but i hate that song. i think the CM have sold out tho, with that gap ad and all. my friend says they sued the gap for using their song in the ad (good for them, if they did) but hes full of more BS than a farm, so i doubt thats true. he says moby was once in a band called "moby and the bunnymen" and when they broke up, he just went as Moby. Yes, yes, ive heard of echo and the bunnymen, so dont even say, "paul theres a band called echo..." okay, i guess this sort of has to do with moby, sort of not, but ill saay anyway. i had this dream last night that i was hearing this mix of "Next is the e" and it featured a "set me free" sample, similar tto the one in MBM's "prime audio soup", only sped up more, and/or female. and the beats were very MBM-ish (you can easily tell jack dangers beats apart from moby's, verdad?) but somehow i kneew it was NITE. i dont know, it was weird. and remember it was a dream. so it never happened anyway. who knows. maybe my alarm clock radio turned on in the middle of the night and they were playing a mix of "PAS". whatever. and i remember asking on the net what mix it was. i asked some girl who isnt even on mobility (forgot the name, cant think of why i would be emailing her) and i remember steve giles might of had something to do with it..... whatever. why anyone would care what goes on in my brain when im not awake is beyond me. take care. drink slow and drive milk. (dont ask its an injoke and youre on the outside, as my annoying little brother annoyingly puts it.) == "you know how einstein got bad grades as a kid? well mine are even worse!!!"-late, great calvin (from calvin and hobbes) >>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:43:40 -0700 From: plovious@juno.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Vinyl update: Harmonics Chris, i just said that i prefered it over CDs because, to me, it sounds better. this is my personal opinion and was NEVER meant as a challenge. maybe i'm just nostalgic for an era that i wasn't alive in, but that's just me. i'm sorry if you were hurt by my, and others, opinion about this... Plovious ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:10:34 -0700 From: plovious@juno.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? what the hell is going on with this list? what seemed like a happy and caring list a moment ago is now one big cat fight! i think i am now totally lost as to why this is happening. so, there was someone who wasn't happy with the posts of physical description.. that's very common because there's always someone not happy with something on this list. but, that's what makes this list unique. there are bunches of minds behind this list and everyone has a different opinion about something. if we cannot express that opinion, lessay about a song or something, without being bitched at and subtly told that we're stupid morons, then what the hell is this list good for? i thought that this list was for people uniting under one common interest - liking moby's music. now, this is the main common interest. over time, you find that you have more than that one common interest with someone, or many people, on the list and you want to explore new territory. every post has the same thing in common- we all like moby. whether it is a post of moby or non-moby, it doesn't matter because as i said earlier, they are all related. curiosity is one of the many qualities of being alive and if we are bitched at for being curious, well i'm sorry but you can't supress nature like that. every person is different and brings something different to this list. i enjoy talking to every one of you, if if it's people bitching about stuff i've said, because i respect everyone's opinion just like i hope they respect mine. if we're going to be a list full of grudges and people nit picking about every little shit, then i'm sorry but i will leave. i do not appreciate being bitched at for shit like this and having to put my defenses up because someone has had a bad day. i know that there's more to life than just moby and i think we should bring those qualities out. our day to day experiences make us what we are and what we contribute to this list. i know that i haven't been much of a contributor to posts lately, but that doesn't change how i feel about this stuff. i've been shaking my head over the last few posts lately and really wonder if all this bitching is really worth it. it's almost like we're one dystunctional family that's having one bad thanksgiving dinner (kinda reminds me of a Springer show... i can see food flying every where!). all i can say is that i hope that people will be nice and put their grudges aside because to err is human, to forgive is divine. we all need to sit down and really think for a moment about what we're actually fighting about. is it really worth it? i, for one, don't think that stupid shit like what someone looks like is worth breaking up this list for.. we've had this thing far too long to ruin it now. besides, what do the newcomers think of all this? for stuff like this to be their first post really makes this list look bad. i have enjoyed this list for as long as i have been on it, about half a yr, and have learned a great deal about everything. people have pointed me to new artists (which were non-moby posts) and have helped expand my view of everything. there is something to benefit from this list, which is knowledge and friendship. everything has its ups and downs, and right now we;re at a down. let's try to take it back up. now, i'm stepping off my soap box and turning off the dramatic, non-copy right music and ending this self-help babble. i hope it makes sense.. i tend to turn psychological at times. :) sorry this post was so long but that's my thinking process for ya (especially before caffiene!)!! Plovious ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:23:04 +0000 From: Subject: Re: (mobility) c'mon babies... > From: "Andrew Mullen" > To: > Subject: (mobility) c'mon babies... > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 04:38:09 +0000 > Reply-to: mobility@lists.xmission.com > hello again, > > I'm sure this was discussed at some point on the list (I feel so defensi= ve > to write anything these days...someone's bound to attack) but what are y= our > opinions of the Crystal Method's remix of "Come On Baby"? I'm a long tim= e > Moby fan but haven't listened to any of his records in at least six mont= hs. > Well, today I listened to that single and realized I had forgotten how g= ood > it is. Any comments? > I love all the remixes on that single and also the live tracks on the first CD. Moby really give his fans a good deal, 30 minutes of music on a single on the special edition. Also when I last saw him live it cost me =A33 which is just unbeleivable. He is a superb, inspired musician. No more really needs to be said I think. Also all the unpleasantness on this list is quite childish and unnecessary. Can we all just try to be civil? Ed. Hello thanks for visiting the bottom of the page. It gets so lonely down here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:29:41 +0000 From: Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? > To: mobility@lists.xmission.com > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:10:34 +0000 > Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: c'mon babies...? > From: plovious@juno.com > Reply-to: mobility@lists.xmission.com > what the hell is going on with this list? what seemed like a happy and > caring list a moment ago is now one big cat fight! i think i am now > totally lost as to why this is happening. > > so, there was someone who wasn't happy with the posts of physical > description.. that's very common because there's always someone not happy > with something on this list. but, that's what makes this list unique. > there are bunches of minds behind this list and everyone has a different > opinion about something. if we cannot express that opinion, lessay about > a song or something, without being bitched at and subtly told that we're > stupid morons, then what the hell is this list good for? i thought that > this list was for people uniting under one common interest - liking > moby's music. now, this is the main common interest. over time, you > find that you have more than that one common interest with someone, or > many people, on the list and you want to explore new territory. every > post has the same thing in common- we all like moby. whether it is a > post of moby or non-moby, it doesn't matter because as i said earlier, > they are all related. curiosity is one of the many qualities of being > alive and if we are bitched at for being curious, well i'm sorry but you > can't suppress nature like that. every person is different and brings > something different to this list. i enjoy talking to every one of you, > if if it's people bitching about stuff i've said, because i respect > everyone's opinion just like i hope they respect mine. if we're going to > be a list full of grudges and people nit picking about every little shit, > then i'm sorry but i will leave. i do not appreciate being bitched at > for shit like this and having to put my defences up because someone has > had a bad day. > > i know that there's more to life than just moby and i think we should > bring those qualities out. our day to day experiences make us what we > are and what we contribute to this list. > > i know that i haven't been much of a contributor to posts lately, but > that doesn't change how i feel about this stuff. i've been shaking my > head over the last few posts lately and really wonder if all this > bitching is really worth it. it's almost like we're one dysfunctional > family that's having one bad thanksgiving dinner (kinda reminds me of a > Springer show... i can see food flying every where!). all i can say is > that i hope that people will be nice and put their grudges aside because > to err is human, to forgive is divine. we all need to sit down and > really think for a moment about what we're actually fighting about. is > it really worth it? i, for one, don't think that stupid shit like what > someone looks like is worth breaking up this list for.. we've had this > thing far too long to ruin it now. besides, what do the newcomers think > of all this? for stuff like this to be their first post really makes > this list look bad. > > i have enjoyed this list for as long as i have been on it, about half a > yr, and have learned a great deal about everything. people have pointed > me to new artists (which were non-moby posts) and have helped expand my > view of everything. there is something to benefit from this list, which > is knowledge and friendship. everything has its ups and downs, and right > now we;re at a down. let's try to take it back up. > I could not agree more with this. We are all different so lets enjoy these differences and not be aggressive about it. We are all on this list because of our love of Moby's music and we could perhaps do with being on topic a little bit more but this does not preclude any other subject. These other subjects are all part of life's rich tapestry! Ed ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V1 #278 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.