From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V1 #379 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Tuesday, April 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 379 Re: (mobility) OK Re: (mobility) Not To Burst In... Re: (mobility) OK (mobility) Rolling Stone (mobility) Moby vs. Matos Re: (mobility) OK (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Face It is fucking excellent. Re: (mobility) Not To Burst In... Re: (mobility) Not To Burst In... Re: (mobility) Rolling Stone Re: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Face It is fucking excell Re: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Face It is fucking excellent. Re: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Ordering "Run On" (mobility) profile stuff (mobility) misunderstood kohut. Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Matos Re: (mobility) profile stuff/gossip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: charles stilwell Subject: Re: (mobility) OK - --- Mike wrote: > > Is there one person on this list besides me who > just listens to Moby's > music > > because they like it? They don't pick apart the > songs, count the beats, > find > > meanings in the words, get moved by the sound, > inspired by his essays, > care > > what he thinks or how he acts, and if they saw him > on the street would > just > > say Hi, I like your stuff and I have a lot of it? > Anyone? I am starting to > > fell bad that I have about 40 dif Moby CDs and > just like it for the music. > > Period. Tell me there is someone else out there. > Someone who can listen to > the > > music while eating a hamburger and driving your > car alone just cruising > with > > no where to go? I mean, anyone? I love what you > guys have to say, which is > the > > reason I am on this list. But I just don't care, > you know? It is music - > to me > > at least. > > Ah, that's how I am with Moby. Toss Moby in the cd > player and just drive, > watchin' the scenary flow by along w/ the beautiful > music. I like to drift > out at night listening to some of him. Even just > playing it in the > background while I write a paper, Moby's music is > always good. > > I've never been one to deconstruct music, aside from > lyrics occasionally. > It never really occured to me. However, I love the > views that are presented > on this list. What makes them great is just that - > these views of the music > never occur to me. > > --------------------------------------------- > If you know the truth > down for the fight > then in your heart > you'll be marked for life > > > Yessssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!bout time!! > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:18:11 -0500 From: Ade Subject: Re: (mobility) Not To Burst In... At 09:08 PM 4/26/99 -0600, Kitty Watermelon wrote: > >Then, yesterday, I picked up a book my step >dad had checked out of the library, a collection of interviews with >various artists. What was the book? - --Ade. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:57:05 -0500 (CDT) From: DAVIESA@uwplatt.edu Subject: Re: (mobility) OK I think I would prolly fall into the category of "just lovin' the music." I'm not into the whole animal rights, vegan, sexuality, etc stuff. I just love MOBY'S music for what it is, and I love his live performances too. You are not alone. And that is good. andy gingerbread man ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:47:03 PDT From: "Daniel Lee" Subject: (mobility) Rolling Stone Hey in the new issue of Rolling Stone, Everything is Wrong is listed as one of the essential albums of the '90s. oh, and damien... when are you gonna update the profiles page? peace, dan Lee _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:52:03 PDT From: "Daniel Lee" Subject: (mobility) Moby vs. Matos Michael, I'm really interested in hearing more about that Moby interview you did... what did you ask him? Also, do your reviews get published in anything I'd know? How can I get ahold of some of them? I've come to respect your opinion a lot. Oh, and Kristy, what's the scoop with those ILTS posters you said you had? Greg, any news from the land of Thanks 2? That's about it... dan lee _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:44:12 EDT From: JGMagnus@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) OK I just listen to the music. I also really enjoy him live. That's about it though. - - Jayson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:56:13 +0100 From: 7135 THOMAS R BRADLEY <7135@scarb-6-form.ac.uk> Subject: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Face It is fucking excellent. 'cos I only have access to e-mail in free periods at college, = when I have any time, I don't mail much and am about 4 days behind.=20 Quotes from, sod it, I can't remember. >=A0=A0=A0 NOt only that song, but FACE IT is a really great song. I = love how MOBY just jams on the guitar for about 5 minutes at the end of that song. ROCK ON MOBY!=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0 Yeh, I love that song so much, and so do all my friends = who've heard it. But am I the only person not to have seen Moby live? Even a friend's seen him ( Leeds breeze 98, I think) who isn't even a fan. > Say, anyone heard FACE IT live?? He didn't play it the two times I=20 saw him. I really want to see that live as well. But I got the DJ at a Rock Night last Friday to play the live version off AR: Live At The Splash Club. ( I love that DJ, he plays any rock CDs we give him) At that volume it did sound so much better, and I already loved it. One friend said " That song is fucking excellent". I ached the day after 'cos I tried to dive across the dance floor when the heavy bit starts. Or the other 3 hours and 55 minutes of rock night might be why I ache. ( = played something by Stalingrad as well) Still, I'm happy now, it keeps me = going till I finally see him live. Hope he is at Leeds Breeze 99, but I have work and need money so much so probably will have to miss it. =A0=A0=A0=A0=20 Oh, I've got Run On. I like Run On a bit, but if it wasn't be Moby = I probably wouldn't. Spirit, cool, that is fucking cool. Running, nah, = bit too dark I think, good music, just not my kind of music. I'll get the one with Sunday and er, the other one today. Only cost =A31.99 anyway. =A0=A0=A0=A0=20 Sorry for misquoting Tim, er, I can't remember who I was quoting = then Oh, last thing ( sorry I go on,) I liked it when we got stickers = sent to us. I suppose it's cheaper to send postcards to the fans, but I really like stickers, call it a fetish if you like. Ah well, bye. TOM " The race is long, and in the end it's only with yourself" Everyone Is Free To Wear Sunscream. Listen to it on Chriss Moyles show on the morning. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:02:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon Subject: Re: (mobility) Not To Burst In... The book I read was called "Inside the Music," by Dimitri Elrich. It also had an interview with Leonard Cohen, which was surprisingly boring...anyways. ^_^; pickle kitty@unm.edu "If you let your spirit out, where would it go?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:12:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon Subject: Re: (mobility) Not To Burst In... I meant to type *hide* Dimitri Ehrlich *hehe*hide* sorry ^_^; kitty@unm.edu "If you let your spirit out, where would it go?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:09:29 -0600 From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) Rolling Stone Daniel Lee wrote: > > Hey > > in the new issue of Rolling Stone, Everything is Wrong is listed as one > of the essential albums of the '90s. > > oh, and damien... when are you gonna update the profiles page? Ugh, how embarrassing... this week, I'm making it a promise. :) d a m i a n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:03:10 -0700 From: jgmagnus@bkb.com Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Face It is fucking excell = Tom (or anyone else): = Do you know a web site I can order the UK Single of Run-On from the = states? I am having a problem waiting and I have not seen an import = single of it at any shops around Boston. = - Jayson ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________________= _______ Oh, I've got Run On. I like Run On a bit, but if it wasn't be Moby I probably wouldn't. Spirit, cool, that is fucking cool. Running, nah,= = bit too dark I think, good music, just not my kind of music. I'll ge= t = the one with Sunday and er, the other one today. Only cost =A31.99 = anyway. =A0 = = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:23:40 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Tim Beecher Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Face It is fucking excellent. First of all, I'm sorry for giving you a hard time Bart. But you can see how the misunderstanding arose. By the way I did lie about 'Play' being released here yesterday (like I lied about Moby and what an interesting response it had. Wow, some narrow-minded bigots certainly came out of the closet, eh?). For some bizarre reason I thought 'Run on' was released March 29th and 'Play' on April 26th!? It's just you guys going on about the single all the time confused me! No, I'm just 'Play - ing' with all you hardnut homophobes (not funny I know, but just couldn't resist). Sorry to disappoint you, but he did actually say he did it with guys too. Well Mr. Kloehr, you do have a right to an opinion and free speech, but you basically displayed complete ignorance with regard to being gay. I mean I, at least, try to imagine what it's like to be heterosexual and understand. Just cause you have feelings for just the opposite sex, doesn't mean everyone does. You obviously don't have the capacity or intelligence to comprehend anything beyond your own experience. I can say, I know me better than you know me. And I know what I feel. I didn't choose it - whether it's genetic or psychological is irrelevant. And some people can eat pussy AND suck dick. Others only eat pussy and others only suck dick. Some others prefer dick, but don't mind the odd bit of pussy and vice versa - do you get the picture now? Probably not, but it might be worth a try? I love Face IT too. And we all got a lot to Face, but it's a shame that people have to just pack up and go because they can't Face It and have a reasonable discussion. This list is about communication and discussion and the topic did start with Moby. I have to face the critical examination of every bpm that's occasionally discussed here which I find particularly tedious, but I don't leave in a drama-queen tantrum because it isn't about what I want to hear (though I know many would probably wish I did - well tough shit coz I'm not, unless Damian steps in!). I have learnt from what others have said, though it's not of major interest to me. Reason and understanding - peace, TMB - ---------------------- Tim Beecher Cranfield University T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:36:59 -0600 From: Damian Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: I'm still here. Ordering "Run On" jgmagnus@bkb.com wrote: > > > Tom (or anyone else): > > Do you know a web site I can order the UK Single of Run-On from the > states? I am having a problem waiting and I have not seen an import > single of it at any shops around Boston. Well I know HMV UK (http://www.hmv.co.uk/) is offering ONE of the singles for 1.99 British Pounds, not including shipping. As for the other one, you might be able to get it at regular price which at HMV can range from 2.99 - 4.99. But you can't get the second one through their web site, you'd have to call direct or send a fax. :( Oof, now that I think of it, the web site's been acting up when it comes to purchases... at least in my case. Is anyone else having problems, maybe it's just me? Please let me know! Also, when it comes to other releases... HMV doesn't offer a big selection online but they do better when it comes to direct mail order. I wonder when Mute will offer it on their web site? They tend to hold back a few weeks to help give it a better chart placing. Okay, now I'm running on and probably haven't helped at all. I need some sleep. Damian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:58:49 -0700 From: "Russ Reed" Subject: (mobility) profile stuff Name: Russ Reed Age: 20 Moby Collection: Rare, Everything is Wrong, Animal Rights, I Like to Score, Early Underground 1st Time Hearing Moby: I heard "thats when i reach for my revolver" on the radio about 2 or 3 years ago and went out and bought animal rights. im not really sure what happened after that. i just went out and started buying every moby cd i could find. Other artists i like: guster, sleater-kinney, jets to brazil, phish, bad religion, jimmy eat world, portishead, tricky, the propellerheads, weezer, nerfherder, the promise ring, air, tilt, ben folds five, blah blah blah, i could go on forever. . . . Interests: i like photography, frisbee, kicking my car because its a piece of crap, going to see live music(ive yet to see moby, had a chance last year but i missed it for uncontrolled reasons and im pissed and will tell you about it if you ask me). *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:49:58 MET From: Matej.Novotny@st.fmph.uniba.sk Subject: (mobility) misunderstood kohut. This is going to be an explanation of things i (in a very high mood and there- for very quickly) wrote as my reaction, when i heard that moby had come out as bisexual. Especially Xaq should read this, because it's very bad to be misunderstood. first, what's easy to explain. i asked if someone could type in or scan the interview to a text file so that everybody could read it. actually i wrote so that i could read it. it's because i live in slovakia. (somewhere between germany and russia.) and it is impossible to buy here ANY foreign magazine (except some special DJ, SKate, Rockclimb or that kinda magazines). and not at all ANY Gay magazine (expect one slovak one, where there will definitely NOT be an interview with moby). so it's not a question of me being too shy to ask for a gaymag. i've been shy to do that only once, the first time. second, and this is gonna be a hardwork for me, to assemble the notsowellknown english words so that they make sense. i've had a feeling about moby that he might be gay for a long time ago. i didn't mean to say that the straight people are not open or sensitive. Blame on me, i confess, it might have seemed so. but it's not that. i got this feeling when i read moby's sleeve notes, heard him speaking, saw his pictures full of melancholy and (i don't know the english word, i guess it's) tenderness. it was not any logical conclusion like 80%sensitivity plus 67%being open equals 100%being bisexual. it was an impression, a feeling a thought. many feelings travel through my inside when i just think of him, and this was one of them. and that's why i felt so happy about that, because it was a feature, which i had in my heart connected to him, though it was not sure. it's like when you watch a movie and you expect some certain end. and the end is precisely like that. and you feel very well. maybe it was just an accident, but the pictures of moby and photos he took, that time reflected my own mood, so i linked it somehow to the feeling of moby being homosexual. "i promise now my judge and jurors, my intentions couldn't have been purer, my case is easy to see." and the note about converting the interview was addressed to Tim Beecher, i guess it was you, Tim, who brought the news here. p.s. the people here are as hostile to differences as in any other country, i guess. sure, in small towns or that kinda, it is a social suicide to claim yourself a gay or lesbian or whatsoever, but in cities, you can just drown into that kind of community you like most. thanx4reading this far, Happiness to all of you and Let The Sunshine In !!! p.s2 excuse me for being so talkative. (but nobody forces you to read all my weakminded craps) i need to say something. i am quite a new member to this list, but i have already got a very nice feeling about some special persons contributing here. i won't name them, but i want to say, that i love you all and i feel very close to you. if moby were worth nothing, this would be the thing that would make him worth much. love. kohut. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:28:55 PDT From: "Michael Matos" Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs. Matos Daniel Lee wrote: >Michael, I'm really interested in hearing more about that Moby >interview you did... what did you ask him? > Also, do your reviews get published in anything I'd know? How can >I get ahold of some of them? I did the interview this past Friday, it lasted about a half hour, I didn't prepare questions (very unprofessional), but it went fine. I probably won't get around to transcribing the interview for awhile--the album isn't out for another month, and he's not touring till July or August, so that's when it'll run. I will probably do two very different pieces based on it, one for Creative Loafing in Atlanta, and another for Mpls City Pages. I'm anticipating that the ATL will be a straight Q&A and the Mpls will be a profile with quotes. They sort of have to be different, because CP is pretty strict about reprinting stuff that runs in it. I did find out some great stuff, though. He's usually disappointed by outside remixers' work on his tracks ("I spend so much time when I do remixes, and it seems like other people just bang them out"), he's planning a Play remix album (EIW-M&R-style) for next year and will be doing a DJ tour for it (these are tentative), and I thought this was interesting: he doesn't really hang out with musicians. His friends are normal people and he likes it that way. More later, and thanks. Matos _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:42:26 +0200 From: "Van Eijck" Subject: Re: (mobility) profile stuff/gossip First of all, welcome to the list Russ! You've just missed our sexual preference discussion (or flame war) on the list. I hope this message is one of the last messages on that subject. We usually have nice Moby related conversations. Feel free to ask questions! Tim Beecher wrote: >First of all, I'm sorry for giving you a hard time Bart. >But you can see how the misunderstanding arose. Hey, it was my own fault. I should have used other words. >Well Mr. Kloehr, you do have a right to an opinion and free >speech, but you basically displayed complete ignorance with >regard to being gay. I mean I, at least, try to imagine >what it's like to be heterosexual and understand. Just cause >you have feelings for just the opposite sex, doesn't mean >everyone does. You obviously don't have the capacity or >intelligence to comprehend anything beyond your own >experience. I want to say one thing. Chris Kloehr ( that's your name, right?) I hope you haven't left the list for this. You were just being HONEST. Nowadays, (at least where I live) saying that you don't understand that some people have another sexual preference takes more guts than admitting you're gay or something. Even though I don't agree with you, I still think it was brave thing to just give your honest opinion, knowing that you would be flamed to death for it. Tim, you say that you tried to understand what it's like to be heterosexual. You were lucky enough to understand other sexual preferences. Well, I often tried to imagine what it's like to be homosexual. I did not succeed... Does that make me what you call a ">hardnut homophobe"? I hope not. I do not 'understand' homosexuals, but I do respect them. I don't judge people on a thing like sexual preference or skin colour, I judge them as a human being. "Understanding" is really difficult. For example: A guy in a wheelchair goes to his psychiatrist and tells him that he wants to commit suicide because he feels that everybody is looking at him like he's a freak. The psychiatrist wants to talk the man out of it. The worst thing he can say now is I UNDERSTAND your position, because he CAN'T! How could the psychiatrist with the beautiful wife, the huge car and the two fine leggs understand the man in the wheelchair? (I'm not comparing a 'good' and a 'bad' thing, but just two opposites.) The same with sexual preference. I'm not saying that you absolutely CAN'T understand people with other sexual preferences but that you must consider yourself very lucky if you really can. I don't agree with Chris's view too, and I think he should have been more tactfulgiving his opinion about a sensitive subject like sexual preference, but who am I (and who are you) to condemn him for this? Finally, to prevent me from being misunderstood again: - - The wheelchair thing is just an example, please don't feel offended in any way. - - I do not have anything against psychiatrists. - - I do not want to flame Tim Beecher, just giving my opinion.... - - I do not agree with Chris Kloehr's view, I repect his view being different from mine. - - I hope this list will soon get some nice MUSIC conversations again. Peace to everybody! Bart van Eijck - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------- Tip of the day: Moby - Go (Low Spirit Mix) ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V1 #379 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.