From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V2 #94 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 094 (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93 Re:(mobility) Sailin' On (mobility) Moby for the masses (mobility) Moby in Seattle? Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses Re: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? Re: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93 Re: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses (mobility) DALLAS REC SWAP Re: (mobility) Dallas Show (yee haw) Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:15:05 EDT From: JSoquet@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93 ok not to be a dick or anything like that but do people on this list actually want everyone listing to Moby. Like would you want people who listen to Backstreet Boys, listening to moby. I think that everyone on here loves him so much because not everyone knows him. From what I've been reading, not many people know about him and I'm kinda glad. If more people start listening to him then after the shows you think he would stick around and sign autographs and talk to each and every person. No I don't think so. I love that barely anyone knows him. It makes you feel closer to him when you get to talk to him after the show. that's just my opinion as of right now. Sun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:33:56 -0700 From: michael.demattei@milliman.com Subject: Re:(mobility) Sailin' On >According to the sleeve of the promo copy, the Bad Brains tribute w/ Moby'= s=20= >cover of "Sailin' On" was released today=2E Go check it out if you;'re=20= >interested=2E I'd like to hear the Sepultura cover, too, so I'll be getting it=20= >soon=2E How cool!! I can't wait to hear that=2E The Bad Brains were one of the most insane bands when they first started--live and on record=2E I saw them in '81 or '82 and it was crazy=2E I'm glad Moby=20= picked one of the faster songs and not one of their Jah tributes=2E Deemo np: Jimi Hendrix - BBC Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:53:16 -0400 From: david chamberlain Subject: (mobility) Moby for the masses I used to listen to Jewel back in 93/94 and thought she was great. She had a small cult following and had just wrapped her album. She seemed true to herself and all that BS. Then she rerecorded her singles and revamped her look (i think thats what they call selling out in some circles) and became hugely popular. But the songs now sucked(but she didn't rerecord the album, just the singles, so everyone who bought the album hated it because they wanted to hear the new versions. I now Hate Jewel. I think her music sucks beyond anything. Hanson was so much better than her now. But nayway back to Moby. Moby's been doing this for many years(making music), so more power to him becoming more popular. I want all the teeny boppers listening to him...they buy more records. More records sold means more money for promotion, future projects, future white picket fences. Moby's a true artist with a well established track record. I don' think hed change for the masses and if he did, we'd still love it cuz its Moby and he'd do something interesting with it. PLus he's getting older, time to start on that nest egg. And I'd rather hear Moby when I turn on the radio than Kid Rock or Len. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:06:30 -0700 From: Jeff Logan Subject: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? Is Moby going to be going to Seattle at all during his tour? Jeff Logan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:15:01 EDT From: JPCbridget@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses Hanson is better than Jewel? And you like Moby?!?! Forgive me, I have been but a silent member ... until now. Do you know the difference between respecting and appreciating someone's music and being some retarded "FANatic" who cries in the presence of "musicians" such as Jordan Knight? Moby is differentiated from so many others b/c he is himself -- he wasn't created by a group of people who were out to make a lot of money by tapping into the teenybopper market. Moby promotes social awareness and communicates ideas and visions through his music. He is not just out to make money b/c people think he's cool. He is cool b/c his music transcends the dollar sign and actually speaks to his audience. They say the 90's has nothing to define it, like the 60's had Woodstock -- which is SO true. The convergence of mass media and technology is definitely raping our society. BUT, why allow ourselves to be corrupted by this? Why not let this convergence affect us positively rather than rape us of our humanity? What ever happened to ideals and ideas? What ever happened to people being people? Sure, you'd have seen plenty of girls crying at a Grateful Dead concert, but not because Jerry Garcia was "hot" -- it was because of the music and the emotional connection or energy or whatever... Plenty of you will refute -- but they were all on psychedelics -- that's why they felt an emotional connection with the music. If that's what it takes for people to appreciate music again, I prescribe our entire society to trip every day!!!!! I guess its your perspective what music you like, but in my opinion, Moby represents "real" music and I certainly don't consider a group of small boys marketed through teen magazines and Nickelodeon "real." I guess I'm just looking for meaning in this desolate place of gigabytes and microchips. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bjorkdoll Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jeff Logan wrote: > Is Moby going to be going to Seattle at all during his tour? Yup, Moby's been here. He was here back in May and did an appearance at ARO.space for a cd listening party for "Play" and to do a dj gig. Then he played at 107.7fm The End's (*gag*) Endfest about the 6th or 7th of August, i think. He also played up in Vancouver BC and then down in Portland too around the same time. sarah "...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..." http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html _____________________r_e_p_e_a_t__a_f_t_e_r__m_e _________________________________fuck logic fuck logic ___________________b_r_a_v_o__t_o__i_n_s_t_i_n_c_t ______________________________and sweet intuition, honey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:27:59 -0700 From: Jeff Logan Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? >On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jeff Logan wrote: >> Is Moby going to be going to Seattle at all during his tour? > >Yup, Moby's been here. He was here back in May and did an appearance at >ARO.space for a cd listening party for "Play" and to do a dj gig. > >Then he played at 107.7fm The End's (*gag*) Endfest about the 6th or 7th >of August, i think. He also played up in Vancouver BC and then down in >Portland too around the same time. > >sarah >"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..." >http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html > >_____________________r_e_p_e_a_t__a_f_t_e_r__m_e >_________________________________fuck logic fuck logic >___________________b_r_a_v_o__t_o__i_n_s_t_i_n_c_t >______________________________and sweet intuition, honey How did I miss it. Does anyone know if Moby will be on the West Coast anytime soon. Or where I can find a good list of concert dates? Jeff Logan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:28:57 -0500 From: Rob Skipworth Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93 I totally agree with Sun.... however as much as I love being the only of my friends who listens to moby (and i especially love the overwhelming "thank yous" that i get after dragging them to the show) its kind of selfish of us to want moby's music only for ourselves. However, I don't think it will ever be a big problem. His music is not very radio friendly in today's world of backstreet boys and britney spears. As long as you have to WORK to hear his music, he'll never be really big. Which i think is fine with me, and i would be willing to bet its fine with him. - ---rob JSoquet@aol.com wrote: > ok not to be a dick or anything like that but do people on this list actually > want everyone listing to Moby. Like would you want people who listen to > Backstreet Boys, listening to moby. I think that everyone on here loves him > so much because not everyone knows him. From what I've been reading, not many > people know about him and I'm kinda glad. If more people start listening to > him then after the shows you think he would stick around and sign autographs > and talk to each and every person. No I don't think so. I love that barely > anyone knows him. It makes you feel closer to him when you get to talk to > him after the show. that's just my opinion as of right now. > > Sun - -- <-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-> "An overturned Mercedes Benz, reeking of spilled gasoline, sat in a pile of broken glass near the east stage. The driver's-side door bore a green Bumper-sticker that read 'Greed Sucks.'" -Addicted To Noise on the Woodstock Riots <-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bjorkdoll Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Seattle? On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jeff Logan wrote: > How did I miss it. Does anyone know if Moby will be on the West > Coast anytime soon. Or where I can find a good list of concert dates? I believe he has been added to the Coachella music festival in southern California on October 10th. You can get both days full lineups here: http://208.242.114.231/coachella/ You can also get concert dates at http://www.moby.org or maybe at http://www.pollstar.com sarah "...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..." http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html _____________________r_e_p_e_a_t__a_f_t_e_r__m_e _________________________________fuck logic fuck logic ___________________b_r_a_v_o__t_o__i_n_s_t_i_n_c_t ______________________________and sweet intuition, honey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:01:16 -0400 From: david chamberlain Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses JPCbridget@aol.com wrote: > > Hanson is better than Jewel? And you like Moby?!?! Yes I love Moby I own 25 Moby Cds and I had to go out and spend money to get them just like the FANatics of Limp Bizkit and Korn, who also feel an emotional bind to that music. Just because you don't have the same taste as some one does not make that music any less relevant. MOby is a perfect example of this. He's versatile, He makes music to make you cry, to make you learn, as well as making music to shake your ass and get off to. > He is cool b/c his music transcends the dollar sign and actually > speaks to his audience. His audience is wide and consists of not only the people on this list but also teeny boppers, industry insiders, other musicians, and people who watch Greg and Dharma commmercials. And other than most rap these days I don't know of any music that DOESN'T transcend the dollar sign, I mean who thinks of that when they're enjoying the music? > They say the 90's has nothing to define it, like the 60's had >Woodstock --> which is SO true. The convergence of mass media and >technology is definitely raping our society. BUT, why allow ourselves >to be corrupted by this? Comments like this bother me immensely. In the 60's folk music was a big market, like electronica is today. Woodstock was comprised of the most popular "white people" music of the day, much like the Woodstock and lollapaloozas of today. There were tons of other music festivals back then. Sure drugs were acceptable back then as was free love etc, but times change for a reason. I know people who went to woodstock 99 and the feelings they expressed to me were similar to those expressed by the attendees of the original. Just because people change and trends change doesn't mean the basic order of society changes. > I guess its your perspective what music you like, but in my opinion, >Moby represents "real" music and I certainly don't consider a group of >small boys marketed through teen magazines and Nickelodeon "real." I used to feel the same way since I am myself a musician and I play 8 instruments prolifically, I always used to hate hearing drum machines and synth guitars, etc thinking it was not "real" enough for me. Then I started working with an Emu analog synth from the 70s and became a recording engineer and that made me realize it doesn't matter where the music comes from, its how its put together and how it comes out. I mean I consider Richard James to be far more "real" in the same genre as Moby, but Moby's songs are more emotional and easier to move to. And the BSB and Nsync use a lot more real instrumentation than Moby does, and they're talented singers. They've all been singing their whole lives and they're getting their fifteen minutes and I don't think anyone should take that away from them. If you don't like their music then don't support them by buying it. But don't belittle them. They work hard at what they do, sow them respect for that. > Peace. Peace, Love and Harmony. a concept around well before the 1960's. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:49:00 EDT From: Pokey8984@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses rock on dave!!!! that was deep man, yet powerful and to the point. later -=*Jeff*=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:49:21 -0700 From: michael.demattei@milliman.com Subject: (mobility) DALLAS REC SWAP Hey Dallas fans, I have to travel to Dallas on business in September=2E Is= that record swap on Sept 19th worth going to??? Thanks in advance, Deemo np: Tsunami (Stereolab remix) - MSP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:18:10 EDT From: DJPlumKing@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Dallas Show (yee haw) You know, I had about the same experience as Rob with the crowd experience. Everyone is really nice and won't really do anything to you. They keep their space or if they have those glow thingies spinning around, people tend to stay about 7 feet away from them since they're going kinda crazy. And we also did have one guy who was a real ass. He started pushing this one girl at the beginning of Bodyrock. I didn't really get to see what was happening between the girl and the guy cause I was standing back a little to make sure no one took my camera (they didn't want cameras in the venue so I stayed about 10 feet away from the little guard people that could kick my ass and take my Moby pictures away!!). But just before the actual drums picked up (live, not on the record...song is MUCH better live, I must say) he stopped. And then he said something like "Why are you picking on her? What did she do to you?" and then some other stuff. I was just kind of astonished at how into the crowd he was (there was only about 150 people in the whole place....Endfest...and Kid Rock was headlining...what could you expect?). Then he dedicated the song to that asshole and was like "You know, I take back the thing I said before this song...I'm now going to sing it for that asshole that just got kicked out of here, and also sing this song for (the girl...I forget her name)." I dunno...I just thought it was kinda cool. Have fun at the show! Swells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:33:59 -0700 From: kimbalina Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93 > >I totally agree with Sun.... however as much as I love being the only of my > >friends who listens to moby its kind of selfish of us to want > >moby's music only for ourselves. It's such a catch twenty two. I want ppl to love MOBY's music and get into it and feel it, but at the same time I don't want Carson Daly saying "G-wiz, I can't seem to get 'play' out of my 1000 dish cd changer!". *sigh* >...but do people on this list actually >want everyone listing to Moby. Like would you want people who listen to >Backstreet Boys, listening to moby. Well, on this surface part of my heart, no I don't. I want MOBY to not become the next big thing. I don't to go to another show and see a bunch of 14 yr olds screaming out songs from 'play' or whatever cd is most recent at that time. But they will eventually fade. The problem w/that though is that ppl will diss on MOBY and he won't be taken seriously after all the 14 yr olds are done with him. But let it be.... Also, haven't most of us gone throught that "Teeny Bopper"phaze at some point? It's not something we can really help when we're young. A lot of kids just want to fit in and not get hassled. If that keeps kids from having traumatic experiences at school, then whatever. I didn't really go throught that phaze (unless you count when I was in grade school and I listened to what ever my best friend brought over....but then again, I will still listening to oldies, Breathe and Big Band. I was like, under 12 for God's sake!) Point is, almost all of us go through it and then our tastes grow and change and we get over it. Let the kids experiement. BS Boys will fade along with Brittney Spears. In the long run I think ppl always come back to stuff that isn't cliched and that doesn't get old. >I think that everyone on here loves him >so much because not everyone knows him. From what I've been reading, not many >people know about him and I'm kinda glad. If more people start listening to >him then after the shows you think he would stick around and sign autographs >and talk to each and every person. No I don't think so. I love that barely >anyone knows him. It makes you feel closer to him when you get to talk to >him after the show. I'm not sure I understand this paragraph. It sounds (please don't kill me!) scary and stalker-ish. What do you mean Sun? I'm not trying to be rude by saying that (I'm sure you'll hate me anyway :-) but really? What does that mean? Do you know MOBY personally? If so, previous comment rescinded. >Do you know the difference between respecting and appreciating someone's music and being some >retarded "FANatic" who cries in the presence of "musicians" such as Jordan >Knight? Well, I cried at MOBY but does that make me better than someone who cries at some other show? I don't really think so. It's not easy to be so moved that you actually cry. If some girl gets into Jordan Knight's song for some reason, that's cool. I hope she isn't the girl that's busy trying to rip his clothes off and who won't shut up during the show. I mean, when I saw MOBY recently, there were girls in the front yelling and calling out songs and saying "Oh, Porcelain is my favorite song!!!". It happens....it also annoys me because I'm truly having a touching experience with the music. Whoever MOBY is, it, in the end, doesn't really matter. The music is good and it touches me. And I hope it will continue to do so. >...he >wasn't created by a group of people who were out to make a lot of money by >tapping into the teenybopper market. I'm glad. It would be scary to see big N'Sync like MOBY stickers with just his head and some 'I'm a supermodel' grin goin' on! :-) Don't get me wrong, MOBY is cute but that would be overkill. :-) Ok, my opinion, don't kill me! - --kimby > ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V2 #94 ***************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.