From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V2 #110 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Thursday, September 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 110 (mobility) countdown to pittsburgh (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... Re: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... Re: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... (mobility) calvin klein? Re: (mobility) calvin klein? Re: (mobility) something to cheer things up... Re: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... Re: (mobility) new member Re: (mobility)MP3s Re: (mobility) new member Re: (mobility) calvin klein? Re: (mobility) coachella tickets.. . Re: (mobility) detroit Re: (mobility) Bodyrock remixes... (mobility) I went!!!!!! (mobility) Moby in Australia (mobility) Moby in Australia (2nd Half) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:37:24 -0400 From: "jeff cubeta" Subject: (mobility) countdown to pittsburgh only five more days till moby comes to p-burgh!!!! i am so excited (and i just can't hide it!!) he's so fucking cool. j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:23:19 -0300 From: "Dave \"DT007\" Toews" Subject: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... Hey all.. A quick question.. Is it illegal to make .mp3's from singles? Because some of my friends want me to get the Memory Gospel (the song played on the Adidias commertial) make it into a .mp3 and give it to them.. I mean its not like I woulden't do it if it was illegal, but it just seems to me that if an artist releases a single, that it would be good promotion to get it on the net.. Anyway, just wondering.. DT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... > Is it illegal to make .mp3's from singles? Because some of my friends want Simply put YES. Without permission from the original copyright holder it is criminally and civilly illegal to DISTRIBUTE copies. You can, for your own purposes(say make anmp3 for your portable player or computer) make copies, but not give them away or sell them to your friends or the public in general. However there are two sides to this coin. The legal issue, which is clear cut and obvious and the ethical issue which is not so clear cut. What I mean is, obviously the law says don't do this, but given the pragmatics of the situation, the law is effectively moot--that is there is a VERY small chance that you would be procecuted or find yourself in civil court. SInce there is no legal repurcussion, we have to ask ourselfs, should we still do it? There are many schools of thought on this, but generally if you copy and distribute mp3s because you don't want to pay for the actual album, it is wrong and you shouldn't do it. If you want to make and mp3 for someone to sample to see if they like it, then I would say it is okay, as long as they buy the album if they like it or delete it if they don't in a reasonable amount of time, say 30 days max or something. This would satisfy your "promotion" idea without outright stealing. It would also be acceptable if you had MP3s of extremely rare stuff, or live stuff that the artist hasn't/will not release commercially; however, the second they do so you should patronize the commercial release. You have to ask yourself--if I like the music on this mp3 enough to keep the MP3, do I respect the artist who made the mp3 enough not to steal it from him? To pay them for their talent so they can continue to make good music? Chris Bourke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:45:58 -0700 From: kimbalina Subject: Re: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... Dave \"DT007\" Toews wrote: > Hey all.. A quick question.. > Is it illegal to make .mp3's from singles? Because some of my friends want > me to get the Memory Gospel (the song played on the Adidias commertial) make > it into a .mp3 and give it to them.. > As far as I know, it's NOT Illegal to MAKE mp3's but it IS Illegal to DISTRIBUTE them. I know w/ roms it's like if you have the real game, you can keep the downloaded rom but it you don't, you can only store it for 24 hours. But who would ever know you know? Up to you. My ex has thousands of MP3's on his works site and they were only available for his workmates but that's still highly illegal. Whatever. Hope that helped. - --kimby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:53:01 PDT From: "trance former" Subject: (mobility) calvin klein? sup, just read an article on Moby and they say Moby has been selected as a model for Calvin Klein's fall 2000 jeans CRAP!!! well, Moby certainly enjoys fat checks in tha mail... peace djAHIMSA ...oh by tha way, Welcome Irene, tha more tha merrier, quite eclectic music taste, i like, i like...have you heard Muziq new album, absolutely brilliant, now this is tha music of tha future, classical and electronic meet harmoniously!!! outa 'ere ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:22:14 -0700 From: kimbalina Subject: Re: (mobility) calvin klein? > > >just read an article on Moby and they say Moby has been selected as a model > >for Calvin Klein's fall 2000 jeans CRAP!!! > > >well, Moby certainly enjoys fat checks in tha mail... Yeah, but doesn't he usually dontate that stuff? I mean, didn't he donate like a nice big check to a charity when he allowed some company to use "GMOFW" for a car comercial? Yeah. I think. :-) I dunno, I think things like that are slightly bad for a person's image, well, a MOBY type person's image. I mean, Madona or Carmen Electra could hawk CK but MOBY? I think that wouldn't look right but if he gave the money to a good cause, then who can really complain? I think if I were in a similar position, I would do it just because. Just for shock and for fun. And ofcourse I would probably give the money away too. I do believe in giving to others if you have more than you need. Which leads me to want to say "If you can't donate, volunteer...at least for like a few months every once and a while." It makes you feel really good. Which is kinda selfish. I suck, ok, please don't kill me. :-) - --kimby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:02:16 +0200 From: but not _the_ frankz Subject: Re: (mobility) something to cheer things up... Phizzo Jobson wrote: > > A MOBY JOKE!!!!! > > What is green, lives at the bottom of the sea, and > weighs 20 tons?????? God moving...? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:27:32 +0200 From: "Bart van Eijck" Subject: Re: (mobility) A question for all you Moby lovers... >Hey all.. A quick question.. >Is it illegal to make .mp3's from singles? If you make the mp3's from singles you already own for yourself (for in your RIO or something) it's not illegal, but if you sell them or even GIVE them away it's illegal! I think the copyright laws concerning the use of CDR's also apply to mp3z I must admit that every now and then I also download an mp3, but I only do it because I can't find the original CD... I believe that this mp3/CDR revolution is killing the music industry! In the early '90s, compilation CDs still had the WHOLE song on them, and now almost everytime the last and the first 3 seconds of a song are mixed over into another song. How did this happen do you think? :( (<>,,<>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:29:16 -0400 From: david chamberlain Subject: Re: (mobility) new member the woman has taste dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:37:07 -0400 From: david chamberlain Subject: Re: (mobility)MP3s Well the music industry is in afervor over this topic but the fact of the matter is, while the old law of copyrighted material still exists, there are many corporate and label-owned sites that offer free downloads of mp3's. As an career artist myself(albeit not a money hungry one) I have no problem with mp3's as long as the artist and label info is included in the file. As a human being, I don't get the mp3 thing, I'd much rather listen to the cd than convert the music listening experience into a sound card based point and click experience. But thats just me. I'm the kind of guy who has 200W cd player in his car, and 500W amp, receiver, 200 cd player, dual cassette 8 remote control home stereo. But that's just me, like i said. I take the listening very seriously, I'm the kind of guy who tells you to be quiet during the songs. =)dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:29:01 +0200 From: but not _the_ frankz Subject: Re: (mobility) new member WOWIE ZOWIE! comPassion at last! Jayson i love you! Go! Move! Feel Real! jgmagnus@bkb.com wrote: > > You know what I keep telling myself? That I need to date a woman who enjoys > music & movies as much as I do. I talk about music and movies with my friends > all the time. Why can't I date a woman who enjoys these things? I always end up > dating someone who is a very nice person, but I have nothing in common with so > it doesn't last very long. > > That's why I enjoy this list. Everyone REALLY is INTO music of one kind or > another (for the most part). It doesn't HAVE to be Moby, but it's nice to see. > > - Jayson > > -----Original Message----- > name: irene > age: 21 > i have 'moby', 'everything is wrong', 'voodoo child', 'move', 'play', and > the singles 'bodyrock' and 'what love' > i was introduced to moby by my, then, boyfriend in 1996 and now am an avid > fan of his music and am continually intrigued by his > politics/philosophies > i am also an avid fan of: massive attack, r.e.m., radiohead, portishead, > magnetic fields, patti smith, the tindersticks, WAH! WAH! tindersticks fans are the best! of the nineties! yo thought Talk Talk was low... ha Tindersticks isnt that Swedish? Wauw LOW the the, tortoise, > the smiths, ella fitzgerald, miles davis, lightnin' hopkins, sonny > terry and brownie mcghee, the slits, aphex twin, u-ziq, autechre, > tricky, cibo matto, the sea and cake, soul coughing, yo la tengo, > galaxie 500, luna, velvet underground, marvin gaye, james brown, > curtis mayfield, isaac hayes, de la soul, pharcyde, the roots, > lewis parker,...and the list goes on.... (music is my life) > > irene :) all these names... i have in my various closets wowie zowie! what a musical wave! Patti Smith! WOOOHOOO kees - -- - --------------- "and when even i shot Fisherman in the sky, only music will live, so music is the staff of life," Lee 'S' Perry, Maritime Hall (SF) 1996 - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:47:33 -0400 From: david chamberlain Subject: Re: (mobility) calvin klein? >>read an article on Moby and they say Moby has been selected as a model > > >for Calvin Klein's fall 2000 jeans CRAP!!! > > > > >well, Moby certainly enjoys fat checks in tha mail... I hate commercialism as much as the next guy(not really, I couldn't care less actually) but if some world famous designer came up to me and asked me to be a model in a couple of photos, you better believe I'd get my ass in those jeans, money or no money. This has nothing to do with money, it has to do with getting your 100 ft poster plastered on the side of a manhattan building. That and being able to say that you modeled for Calvin Klein. Sometimes I think people on this list miss a few links in the moby psyche. Sure he's a down to earth peace love harmony and the punk lifestyle kinda guy, but he has that rock star drive. There isn't a single successful musician out there who doesn't have it. I don't know if you noticed this but every time moby opens his mouth he talks about how his music affects others, and how others react to him. "I make the music for myself" is just insecurity, or lack of drive. We(musicians) tend not to attempt to make music that shouldn't be heard. "We do it for the chicks"~old 80s rock idealogy. dave that talks too much ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:57:59 EDT From: BFle123456@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) coachella tickets.. . Laura, I hope you got my e-mail from a few days ago. I still need to know whether the tickets you have can be used on one day. I want to take my GF with me to the shows, but I want to go Saturday, seeing that I work Sundays. Let me know. Thanks. Bill Fleming BFle123456@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:13:06 EDT From: Mobyee@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) detroit all i have to say about this is that because of me at the detroit show he played southside...which was really kick ass. i was right up front, dead center, and it was the best place to be. ~courtney~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:47:36 EDT From: Chilidiba9@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Bodyrock remixes... ok...i know i'm a little late but i've just received my copy of bodyrock..Arp is very good but it gets weird at the end...if anyone has the TWIRFMR single, you notice that the end part of Arp is actually a song in itself that he put on the TWIRFMR single...i didn't like that too much but that is his choice...the Hybrid remix is very nice..makes my bodyrock without a doubt.... why do i sound like a freakin critic....take care..elie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:49:40 EDT From: DJSkitles5@aol.com Subject: (mobility) I went!!!!!! OHMIGOD!!!!!!! I WENT TO THE MOBY SHOW IN DETROIT AND I'M STILL BLOWN AWAY!!!!! IT WAS JUST AMISING!!! I'M SEARIOUSLY SHOCKED!!! HE PREFORMS SO BEAUTIFUL!!!! WHEN "Feeling so Real" CAME ON I JUST STARTED CRYING!!!! Um...anyways...I'm done! ~Felicia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:13:26 +1000 From: "Mark Honeychurch" Subject: (mobility) Moby in Australia I tried posting this a couple of weeks ago but our mail firewall didn't = like it and refused to let it out. I think it may have been the s_x in = s_x pistols, but I'm going to keep trying to mail it, censoring it a bit = at a time until I get it through.... Okay, that didn't work so I'm going to send it in two parts and see which = one's causing the problem... Last weekend Australian TV channel ABC had Moby guest programming on their = late night music show Rage. This is what he chose: 11:50pm Just Like Heaven Cure, The Warner=20 Ghost Town Specials, The Sony=20 Insomnia Faithless Festival=20 Safe From Harm Massive Attack V_rgin (He said = they're his favourite band at the moment) Cross Bones Style Cat Power MDS (They used to = practice in his basement) Drinking In L.A. Bran Van 3000 EMI=20 Inner Meet Me Beta Band Modular=20 Natural One Folk Implosion Polydor=20 Mockingbirds Grant Lee Buffalo Mushroom=20 Send His Love To Me PJ Harvey Mercury=20 12:30am Heart Of Glass Blondie EMI (He said she looks = like she's on the tail-end of a 3 week drugs bender) Remember Me Blue Boy Mushroom=20 Enjoy The Silence Depeche Mode Mushroom=20 Atmosphere Joy Division Festival=20 Protection Massive Attack V_rgin=20 Six Underground Sneaker Pimps V_rgin=20 1:00am Gold Dust Woman Hole Polydor=20 Looking Out My Back Door Creedence Clearwater Revival = Festival (An old favourite of his) Are You Experienced? Jimi Hendrix Polydor=20 Instant Karma John Lennon EMI (Loved it after he = saw it on a Nike TV commercial) Senses Working Overtime XTC V_rgin=20 We Are The Champions Queen EMI=20 Don't Change INXS Warner=20 One U2 Polydor=20 1:30am Little Drummer Boy David Bowie & Bing Crosby EMI=20 Hurt Nine Inch Nails Warner=20 Hey Man Nice Shot Filter Warner=20 The Mercy Seat Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds Mushroom=20= Release The Bats Birthday Party, The - Live = Mushroom=20 Lust For Life Iggy Pop V_rgin=20 Anarchy In The U.K. S_x Pistols V_rgin=20 2:00am Poison Prodigy, The Sony=20 Welcome To The Terrordome Public Enemy Sony=20 Hip Hop Hooray Naughty By Nature Mushroom=20 Mama Said Knock You Out LL Cool J Sony=20 California Love 2 Pac featuring Dr. Dre Mercury=20 Regulate Warren G & Nate Dogg Warner=20 That's When I Reach For My Revolver Moby Warner=20 2:30am Girl U Want Devo Warner=20 Unfinished Sympathy Massive Attack V_rgin=20 Karmacoma Massive Attack V_rgin=20 James Bond Theme Moby Warner=20 Run On Moby Mushroom=20 Bodyrock Moby Mushroom After this, some new releases were played and then the ARIA Top 50 was on, = taking the program to 7:00am. I managed to record everything except for = the first five minutes. The bits in brackets are what I remember of = Moby's comments on his choices. continued... ***** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ***** This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed and its content is not intended for use by any other persons. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any unauthorised form of reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited. St.George is not liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication, nor for any delay in its receipt. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:36:49 +1000 From: "Mark Honeychurch" Subject: (mobility) Moby in Australia (2nd Half) Right, this is the problem half so I'll keep trying.... As well as the playlist, this was also on the Rage web page (http://www.abc= .net.au/rage/rage.htm) about Moby: When Moby first erupted onto the rave arena with the Twin Peaks = sampling Go, little did the world realise just how far this New Yorker would go to confound = the public. From house innovator to techno punk originator, thrash metal rocker to = inadvertent soundtracker and composer, Moby has travelled disparate musical terrains with an = insatiable thirst for fresh sounds and spiritual energy. It's been a long and varied = journey and one which laughs in the face of the accepted take on eclecticism. Not for Moby the safe = bet. Moby, you see is one of music's true mavericks. Most of the cliches attached to Moby - = strident environmentalist, Christian, non-drinker, non-dr_g taker - have kind of fallen by = the wayside over the last few years as his take on the world has become more and more = ambiguous.=20 Born in New York and raised in Connecticut, Moby's father died = when he was only two. Subsequently he was brought up by his mother, an open minded = woman who encouraged Moby to pursue whatever creative avenues appealed to him. By = the time Moby was ten he was actively learning classical guitar, something which held = him in good stead for the punk explosion which attracted him in his teens. By his twenties he = had been involved in bands as disparate as speed metal kids The Vatican Commandos, anarchist = noise combo Flipper and critically acclaimed 4AD band Ultra Vivid Scene. With Moby's love of new in music it was inevitable that he = would be drawn to the house scene in the late 80s. His early singles were staples of the = rave scene, with Go storming the top ten in the UK. With 1995's Everything is Wrong album - his = first true long player, the previous releases being little more than collections - he could = be found pouring the styles that he'd grown up with into a hybrid of house, rock, h_rdcore, = th_ash and jungle, all laced with more than a touch of drama. The singles Hymn, Feeling So Real = and Everytime You Touch Me revealed Moby's ability to create uniquely moving music. With Moby's appearance playing on 1995's Lollapallooza came the = realisation that he had eschewed his dance roots and gone back to the h_rdcore thrash = punk of his youth. A tryptych composed of industrial punk, speedcore and heartbreakin= g instrumentals, the following year's Animal Rights album was a stab in the back for = purism of any kind. "It was an intentionally abrasive, misanthropic record." he recalls. = Around the same time he also released The End of Everything, an album of breathtaking = synthetic orchestrations, under the pseudonym Voodoo Child. In 1997 Moby released I Like To Score, a compilatioin of some = of the many of his tracks which have been used in movies. Among these was the breakbeat-dr= iven version of the universally recognisable James Bond Theme , a single which not = only represented Moby's return to the dance arena but also hinted a new found love of = hip hop, a genre explored in a little more relaxed way on his latest opus Play. If Play were a theatrical performance it would be in three = acts. Act one finds Moby building his music around field recordings of indigenous black music = from the early 20th century. Act two features Moby himself on vocal duties. The final act is = represented by the quietly reflective instrumental tracks. The glue that holds the entire = performance together is provided by the breaks of hip hop. Fear not because the overall effect = is often moving, occasionally spooky and always breathtaking. He plays everything from classical guitar to Roland 303, he's = played everything from thr_sh metal to hands in the air techno, he's remixed everyone from = Michael Jackson to Metallica and he's turned down production offers from Hole and Guns 'n = Roses. One thing is certain about Moby - he can still surprise. With Play Moby has = delivered another stunning head turner. And the best bit is, you get the feeling that there's = still so much more to come from NYC's favourite maverick. Moby was also on ABC's Recovery on Saturday morning where he was interviewe= d by a badly drawn cartoon kid, although there doesn't seem to be anything = on their website (http://www.abc.net.au/recovery/recovery.htm) about it. Mark. ***** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ***** This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed and its content is not intended for use by any other persons. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any unauthorised form of reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited. St.George is not liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication, nor for any delay in its receipt. ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V2 #110 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.