From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #12 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Monday, November 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 012 RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed (mobility) enviroment+smokingV3 #11 (mobility) Re: Moby in Madison (mobility) Re: Moby in Madison Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed Re: (mobility) smoking Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed (mobility) Re:smoking (mobility) exactly ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:58:23 -0800 From: "Chris Hand" Subject: RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed Ok you got to be kidding me... THE GUY IS HUMAN he is not a GOD.. let him live and do what the hell he wants....you make this whole vegan animal liberation thing a total cult thing that is almost as bad as the demands of the christian coalition. If you knew anything about Moby...he doesn't pin himself as anything or try to fit into any stereotype..he makes his own rules...it's not like he is a chronic smoker..I smoke a cig occasionly..big deal...nail biter...heh, that was being sarcastic..just to point out how all your people are freaks about what he can and can not do. I mean sorry, but I find it kinda fucked up to have people say animal liberation,vegan power at the end of each /msg like a hail moby weird nazi thing..heh I EAT MEAT and go to ZOOS...i guess I'm not part of the elite moby group anymore...I respect his beliefs and opinions and think he is a musical genius and composer..I don't look to him though for a set of rules.., and I don't make him live by my rules either...so give him a break, otherwise you are going to just totally frustrate him. Chris >Well those are two major flaws. Nail biters? Guess his hands aren't as sexy >anymore huh? And smoking. What gets me is the vegan thing, because most >vegans, beyond being animal friendly are also super health conscious. Oh >sadness, he's ruining those beautiful lungs. Such a shame. Next we're going >to hear that he has asthma and so forth. The thought of Moby smoking, then >singing through a hole in his throat when he hits 50 is very distrubing. Uck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:31:36 +0200 (EET) From: Heidi Gronman Subject: (mobility) enviroment+smokingV3 #11 tobaccoleaves have to be dried over smoke of wood, for to get cigarrets have their flavour and so -no surprises...- tobaccoindustry is one of the biggest causes of our planet getting rid of rainforests. + whitening the paper etc etc. h * The first canned foods appeared in 1812, the first can opener in 1885. > What does cigarette smoke have to do with the environment. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 01:29:22 GMT From: "œ miss purity œ" Subject: (mobility) Re: Moby in Madison andy..... i agree totaly with you. i thought that it was pretty pathetic when those kids were yelling stupid crap like that to Moby too. i wish that the crowd wasnt so packed because i didnt have nearly enough room to dance. but all in all i think that it was a great show anyway becuase of the mind blowing light show and how great he played. this was my first time seeing Moby live and i so want to go see him again. im already excited!! jen (jenna)... >Message-ID: <836E12E1B280D21196FD0000F6B985F502AACDFB@glsxchma1.glhec.org> >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > >I was at the show in Madison. I thought it was the second best Moby show I >have ever seen (seen him 4 times, the show at First Avenue in Minneapolis >in >August was better only in that he played for so much longer and there was >such a greater percentage of moby FANS there...as opposed to people who >went >just to see a show or 10 year old boys shouting "nice haircut" at moby...). >You said you wanted to discuss the show? Write away. I am all ears! > >Andy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 01:29:34 GMT From: "œ miss purity œ" Subject: (mobility) Re: Moby in Madison andy..... i agree totaly with you. i thought that it was pretty pathetic when those kids were yelling stupid crap like that to Moby too. i wish that the crowd wasnt so packed because i didnt have nearly enough room to dance. but all in all i think that it was a great show anyway becuase of the mind blowing light show and how great he played. this was my first time seeing Moby live and i so want to go see him again. im already excited!! jen (jenna)... >Message-ID: <836E12E1B280D21196FD0000F6B985F502AACDFB@glsxchma1.glhec.org> >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > >I was at the show in Madison. I thought it was the second best Moby show I >have ever seen (seen him 4 times, the show at First Avenue in Minneapolis >in >August was better only in that he played for so much longer and there was >such a greater percentage of moby FANS there...as opposed to people who >went >just to see a show or 10 year old boys shouting "nice haircut" at moby...). >You said you wanted to discuss the show? Write away. I am all ears! > >Andy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 01:41:29 GMT From: "œ miss purity œ" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed oh my god!! this pisses me off to no end.. who is len to say anything. len is one of the most pathetic, uncreative bands that i have ever heard so they shouldnt say anything!! ahhhhh moby doesnt deserve such crap from such dicks he is the sweetest!! i hate simple minded people! jen (jenna) >From: Sarasohn1@aol.com >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (mobility) moby gets trashed >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:38:47 EST >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com Mon Nov 01 07:39:12 1999 >Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB9E6FF150005D82197DDC63C1607EFB10; Mon Nov 01 07:39:08 1999 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2)id >11iJXs-0001Vp-00for mobility-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 >08:38:56 -0700 >Received: from [205.188.157.37] (helo=imo-d05.mx.aol.com)by >lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2)id 11iJXq-0001Vj-00for >mobility@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:38:54 -0700 >Received: from Sarasohn1@aol.comby imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id >fWJKhbbve_ (4230) for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 >10:38:48 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: <0.f48343e.254f0e07@aol.com> >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 216 >Sender: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes > >this is the first time ive read anything bad about our dear moby. he gets >trashed by len's planet... they were totally overreacting about the >situation. im so pissed! catch the nasty interview at HREF="http://seattlesquare.com/pandemonium/featurestext/Len.htm">Len: >Planet >Pea, Custom Bitches, and the Anti-Stardom Vibe - An Interview by Damien M. >Jones > >by the way, is anyone from nyc going to the vanderbilt show in long island >on >the 24th? animal lib, vegan power. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:31:04 EST From: Robyniwitz@aol.com Subject: RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed In a message dated Mon, 1 Nov 1999 3:24:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Chris Hand" writes: > He smokes... > he was lighting up a few cigs that he bummed a woman at the Roxy show behind > the stage before he went on..he is also a nail biter :P > of course I make these observations cause I am bored.. > but yeah they happen > anyways later > Chris > Are you sure? My friend and I were wondering that too, but I we came to the conclusion later that it was a guy who looked *a lot* like him. On later reflection, I realized that there were more than a few skinny white bald guys running around the backstage area. Because I'm reasonably sure that Moby is a rather staunch anti-smoker. Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:44:18 -0800 From: "Chris Hand" Subject: RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed Yes..I was looking back there during that whole dj set minutes.. there was one skinny white bald guy..but like his face was totally dfferent from Moby's and I could of sworn it was Moby..because he kept coming up to talk to the Dj during his set... But maybe I am wrong..if you seen something different... personally, I don't care what he does. More power to him. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robyniwitz@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:31 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed In a message dated Mon, 1 Nov 1999 3:24:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Chris Hand" writes: > He smokes... > he was lighting up a few cigs that he bummed a woman at the Roxy show behind > the stage before he went on..he is also a nail biter :P > of course I make these observations cause I am bored.. > but yeah they happen > anyways later > Chris > Are you sure? My friend and I were wondering that too, but I we came to the conclusion later that it was a guy who looked *a lot* like him. On later reflection, I realized that there were more than a few skinny white bald guys running around the backstage area. Because I'm reasonably sure that Moby is a rather staunch anti-smoker. Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:47:16 EST From: MCJCREW@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed Hey peeps! I think the only way to solve this question is to have Moby answer it himself! Hopefully he will read all the comments that we have made and answer. Regardless of what his answer will be, we all still love him right?!!! P.S. Anyone going to the LI show on the 24th? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:59:57 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) smoking In a message dated 11/1/99 1:53:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, nobuttonstopush@hotmail.com writes: << I don't think Moby is a smoker. I happen to be a cigarette smoker, I know it's bad but it's very hard to quit. I would still respect Moby. >> ' Joy! He's not. Direct quote from 1996 booklet to Mixmag Vol. 2 "Moby is an extremist. Testotal. Drug-free. Vegan. Agressively anti-smoking." Hah. I can love this man again. In his Play essays he even states he doesn't use drugs (so that thwarted those evil drug rumors). He even made vegan sound not so bad, even though I still don't believe in it, I can understand why he does it. I agree with a lot of his reasons, but as humans, we're omnivores, and like other omnivores, we eat both plant and animals. So I feel that I have rediscovered the man behind the music and I am happy once more. "You can't edit yourself" ~ Beck Hansen Are you addicted to breathing? ~ Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:06:38 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed In a message dated 11/1/99 1:59:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, tripwire@vdot.net writes: << .heh I EAT MEAT and go to ZOOS...i guess I'm not part of the elite moby group anymore...I respect his beliefs and opinions and think he is a musical genius and composer..I don't look to him though for a set of rules.., and I don't make him live by my rules either...so give him a break, otherwise you are going to just totally frustrate him. Chris >> Dude, do not start attacking. I was being sarcastic about the nail biting thing too.. I could care less. Smoking is sad and incredibly bad for you and it saddens me that he would. But the thing is that he preaches freedom of choice and that's very cool, but if he says he's one thing, then goes against it, that makes him a hypocritic and there is nothing worse. I'm not going to stop loving his music cuz he smokes, it will just limit his voice in the future, wouldn't it? I eat meat too and tend to argue with vegetarians/vegans if they're all high and mighty about it, but I can't go into pet stores or zoos because all of the animals look so depressed and makes me want to cry. So depressing, sad faces. Lay off. We're expressing our opinions and shouldn't get persecuted for saying what we think.. Moby's a smart guy, I admired his stand, and his passion for life bleeds into his music. "You can't edit yourself" ~ Beck Hansen Are you addicted to breathing? ~ Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:30:11 -0800 From: "Chris Hand" Subject: RE: (mobility) moby gets trashed I never persecuted any one of you or even attacked one of you... I am saying that I feel like I can not say anything because I eat meat and go to zoos and wear leather or whatever. What I think is sad..that he has all this pressure put on him to live up to this image of perfection. I mean anyone could be called a hypocrite..people who bitch about the rainforests still read magazines and write on paper and use toilet paper to wipe their ass. It's just when people get so nit picky with everything..to where say Moby can not even function because he is totally constrained by like vegan must not hurt the world in any way and consume plants and water for the rest of his life rules...it's just really uneeded pressure. People can change their mind with things...I love Moby immensely...but I don't want to see him be another Kurt Cobain and like have him pinned as the spokesman for the vegan environmentalist group. He's never really pinned himself into a group or specific genre...and that is something that should be respected. Like shit I may be wrong, maybe it wasn't him smoking...but seeing the reaction from people..the pressure he has on him, it's really scary. Anyways, he can settle it if he ever glances at this. Heh I mean...basically to be on this mailing list....the criteria is to be a fan of moby for whatever reason. Don't make this forum a total vegan thing..cause personally makes me feel like an outcast, and that we are looked down upon. I just know that Moby never said bye with a vegan power/animal liberation yell in your face...he doesn't force anything upon people, he just informs. I'd like for everyone to do that. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Insrtbrain@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:07 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed In a message dated 11/1/99 1:59:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, tripwire@vdot.net writes: << .heh I EAT MEAT and go to ZOOS...i guess I'm not part of the elite moby group anymore...I respect his beliefs and opinions and think he is a musical genius and composer..I don't look to him though for a set of rules.., and I don't make him live by my rules either...so give him a break, otherwise you are going to just totally frustrate him. Chris >> Dude, do not start attacking. I was being sarcastic about the nail biting thing too.. I could care less. Smoking is sad and incredibly bad for you and it saddens me that he would. But the thing is that he preaches freedom of choice and that's very cool, but if he says he's one thing, then goes against it, that makes him a hypocritic and there is nothing worse. I'm not going to stop loving his music cuz he smokes, it will just limit his voice in the future, wouldn't it? I eat meat too and tend to argue with vegetarians/vegans if they're all high and mighty about it, but I can't go into pet stores or zoos because all of the animals look so depressed and makes me want to cry. So depressing, sad faces. Lay off. We're expressing our opinions and shouldn't get persecuted for saying what we think.. Moby's a smart guy, I admired his stand, and his passion for life bleeds into his music. "You can't edit yourself" ~ Beck Hansen Are you addicted to breathing? ~ Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:44:52 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby gets trashed In a message dated 11/1/99 8:30:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, tripwire@vdot.net writes: << t's just when people get so nit picky with everything..to where say Moby can not even function because he is totally constrained by like vegan must not hurt the world in any way and consume plants and water for the rest of his life rules...it's just really uneeded pressure. People can change their mind with things...I love Moby immensely... >> I don't give a flying fuck if he's vegan or not. Jesus. Go out eat a slab of cow. Whatever makes you tick. I don't care and I wouldn't think less of him if he did. I'm not vegan, I wouldn't never become one, but I can understand what he's saying. And I know he believes in choice. The question wasn't vegan, it was smoking. And I am incredibly anti-smoking and it makes me sad because it brings images in my head of Moby performing through a hole in his throat (brainwashing comercials worked amazingly on me on the smoking point, don't you think?) And you did to attack me, you quoted my posting and then went spewing off in a rage. Calm down and take in what I was saying. It would make me sad. Enough said. Contained animals make me sad. Sad puppy faces in pet stores make me want to cry and I have to run out of the stores. Some zoos make me sad if the animals look depressed, but that has nothing to do with Moby so I won't digress cuz I know how "off topic" discussion piss people off. Just accept people for what they think and move forward. Calm down. Kurt Cobain was tragic, but there was more to his death than the media pressure to be angst poster boy. He had issues beyond that and you can't blame the world because he had other psychological issues like everyone else. Like you said, the guy's human. There's complexity beyond the obvious. Again I digress. "You can't edit yourself" ~ Beck Hansen Are you addicted to breathing? ~ Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:44:05 -0500 From: david chamberlain Subject: (mobility) Re:smoking oh and btw, a better way of finding out if moby smokes is for someone to go up to him after the show and offer him a cigarette. I'll be seeing him tonight(2nd) if only i smoked i could do this but the one close minded aspect in my mind is towards smoking. I think i'm more tolerable towards drug users than smoker mentality. Maybe because i equate drug use with stupidity and not so with smoking so i expect more of smokers. anyone got a light? dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, Nov 01 1999 23:04:02 -0500 From: jasonmar@nettaxi.com Subject: (mobility) exactly i already deleted the message from that one guy (sorry i forgot who you were) but I agree completely. Moby never tells us that we should all be vegans or we're damned to hell. But from what I have seen he shows an example of what Christians should be, actually not just Christians but people in general. The way he treats people is what makes Moby so special(let's not forget his music though!) and I think that Moby would definetely not sit around and type messages commenting on whatever bad habits you may have. We could all learn more than one lesson from him but we have to remember that there is only one true God and its not Moby. Later, Jason ____________________________________________ CoolMail(tm). Hear. There. Everywhere.(sm) E-mail by phone - http://www.planetarymotion.com ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V3 #12 ***************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.