From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #59 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Saturday, December 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 059 (mobility) lists (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 Re: (mobility) MTV? RE: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 Re: (mobility) moby naked Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 Re: (mobility) MTV? Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 RE: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 (mobility) More Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 (mobility) Names Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 (mobility) Live Moby (mobility) moby comments in CMJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:05:36 EST From: Dpec42@aol.com Subject: (mobility) lists like i said, moby would appear on a list of my top albums of the century, just not at the very top. as for this year, well, here's my list... 1. Fountains of Wayne - Utopia Parkway 2. Moby - Play 3. Jimmy Eat World - Clarity 4 (tie). The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin 4 (tie). Beck - Midnight Vultures 6. The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I 7. The Roots - Things Fall Apart 8. American Football - s/t 9. Gay Dad - Leisure Noise 10. Stereolab - Cobra and Phases Group Play Voltage in the Milky Night 11. The Promise Ring - Very Emergency! 12. The Get Up Kids - Red Letter Day (EP) 13. Add N to X - Avant Hard 14. Wilco - Summerteeth 15. The Condition - The Sound E.P. 16. Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros - Rock Art & the X-Ray Style 17. Various Artists - Reich Remixed 18. Reggie and the Full Effect - Greatest Hits '84-'87 19. Sleater-Kinney - The Hot Rock 20. The Get Up Kids - Something to Write Home About certainly, there are a few missing that i will add upon hearing them, the new high llamas cd that i still lack, for example... - -don pentaro dpec's drunken antics, the secrets of the universe, and a picture of a monkey. all this and more at www .geocities.com/dpec42/!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:12:42 +0000 From: Ethan Padgett Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 > Okay ~ I'll agree with Fiona Apple because it's a great album.. Fragile I > dunno that's still under fire. And I haven't even heard the new Rage and am > not planning to. But Santana? Please... yeah its nice he's got a #1 album > after god knows how many years, but the fact that Play isn't on there is > kinda disturbing... I know that the demographic audience of Time is slightly > more mature crowd, then why is the least mature band (?) in music today at the top? ratm has the political beliefs of a pretensious high school student and the composition of a toddler. e. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:13:49 +1000 From: Jane Browning Subject: Re: (mobility) MTV? >I will argue against point... I don't know if your a Beck fan, but after the >"sexxlaws" video, I will never be able to listen to the song without laughing >my ass off. But I tend to be a very visual person so that could account for >part of it. Oh oh oh, I agree with you about the Beck video - love the first few frames, very funny - male bonding scene, crashing football-heads - I hope I have the right one. I am not really a Beck fan though - maybe that's why I like it - I mean, maybe if you love a song when you hear it and you create your own video clip in your mind and everything is a disappointment....ha, it's pathetic but true - like associating songs with events in our lives - oh, maybe not that bad! Like that Bodyrock video clip - my brain hadn't created images for that. But why no women dancing? My god, I love an 'experimental' dance. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:02:29 -0800 From: "Chris Hand" Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 Heh how can you say the political beliefs of a pretensious high school student. They are helping kids get a college education in mexico by aiding in the protest of heightened tuitions. Tom Morello has been named guitarist of the year, and everyone knows he is an a innovative god with a guitar. Morello is fucking great...he may not be a shredding god, but he has great new techniques. It's also amusing that MTV says the fragile went bust. Yet TrenT Reznor is on the front of every magazine and has his album being named album of the year and having all his concerts totally sold out. I think most of you would complain if Play was announced as the top for anything. It seems when any large crowd latches onto some type of music, it gets dismerited in some way. I bet even all the emo/indie kids, most of Jimmy Eat World's fans bailed when Capitol records started exploited them a bit with commericals. Since they got dropped by Capitol I'm sure they will be crawling back now. Mineral is one fucking great band also...too bad they broke up. I remember a time when I opened for both of them on the static prevails tour, but didn't really know who the hell they were. Anyways, just don't down bands cause they were on MTV. The people that insult MTV are just as annoying as mTV itself I find. It's not cool anymore heh Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ethan Padgett Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:13 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 then why is the least mature band (?) in music today at the top? ratm has the political beliefs of a pretensious high school student and the composition of a toddler. e. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:14:01 EST From: "Stacey MacGrath" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby naked Sorry about that everyone, I guess I'm a little slow today, I thought I copied the address. Anyways, here it is if anyone cares anymore. http://www.bayinsider.com/partners/heckler/5.4/music/moby.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:39:38 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 In a message dated 12/16/1999 5:13:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, epadgett@wctel.net writes: << then why is the least mature band (?) in music today at the top? ratm has the political beliefs of a pretensious high school student and the composition of a toddler. >> Well beyond the fact that I never claim to be mature or even resemble mature (mature is evil)..The way I see it is that they (being the mature adult editors with eyes toward the future of America) are encouraged by their idealist attitudes and belief.... But again, I don't know.. I don't listen to them.. I don't like political viewpoints crammed down my throat when I'm listening to tunes (there are a few exceptions).... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:41:32 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) MTV? In a message dated 12/16/1999 6:19:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, e.browning@qut.edu.au writes: << maybe that's why I like it - I mean, maybe if you love a song when you hear it and you create your own video clip in your mind and everything is a disappointment.... >> Yeah I do that all the time.. Plus side is that the songs I would create videos in my head for don't usually come out with videos.. With any Beck songs I leave a clean slate because everything he does is so out there.. Cept I kinda have one in my head for hollywood freaks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:46:01 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 In a message dated 12/16/1999 7:03:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, tripwire@vdot.net writes: << It's also amusing that MTV says the fragile went bust. Yet TrenT Reznor is on the front of every magazine and has his album being named album of the year and having all his concerts totally sold out. I think most of you would complain if Play was announced as the top for anything. It seems when any large crowd latches onto some type of music, it gets dismerited in some way. >> Chris ~ do you like starting arguments? I dunno, I'm not a huge NIN fan so I shouldn't talk, but I did buy the album just because it was supposed to be great and I was kinda let down... And I've talked to hardcore NIN fans who said they were disappointed by comparison of past work, but compared to everything else out there they could understand all the hype. Something can be disappointing by standards previously set by an artist but still be heads and shoulders above everything else that is out there.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:02:30 -0800 From: "Chris Hand" Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 I do street promotion for the fragile around in NY...so I kinda get pissed off when it's totally rated by album sells and not it's credibility. Interscope is going to promote it for at least 2 years. Anyone that is a die hard fan of any artist usually does not let that artist develop past what he/she has in their mind. I am an audio major, and the way that album is produced is totally mind boggling. It's layer after layer after layer, and most of the samples he made himself. As far as it being catchy, I guess not. But that isn't what I look for...it's complex and it builds a nice landscape. I like putting on headphones and getting lost in sound. What's there to argue...I'm just saying that MTV like proclaims reznor as a rock god but then stabs him in the back by saying his album flopped just because the mtv generation now doesn't enjoy that kind of music. Heh another thing I notice a total hype about moby now, now he is this big cultured person that is a master at blending genres or something. Like every single damn review says the same thing...the old gospel sound jointed with a modern sense or reality..or some crap like that. Like it's a totally revolutionary thing, the best work EVER that he has done. I mean ok he took some samples and put it to music. Like I just don't see why he is getting all this huge credit for it. If he should get huge credit for anything, it should be the compositions he made that were all his and had more song structure. The hype now recognizes him as a big beat artist with thrown in samples. Which is totally wrong. So Moby will most likely make something more like whatever electronica/industrial music on the next album , and let down "die hard moby fans". Heh just like oh Trent's music isn't like "Closer" anymore. The music that artists are judged by and sets the standard for them, are the songs they get famous by. I just hope Moby isn't stuck in big beat gospel recordings forever. Chris. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Insrtbrain@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:46 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 In a message dated 12/16/1999 7:03:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, tripwire@vdot.net writes: << It's also amusing that MTV says the fragile went bust. Yet TrenT Reznor is on the front of every magazine and has his album being named album of the year and having all his concerts totally sold out. I think most of you would complain if Play was announced as the top for anything. It seems when any large crowd latches onto some type of music, it gets dismerited in some way. >> Chris ~ do you like starting arguments? I dunno, I'm not a huge NIN fan so I shouldn't talk, but I did buy the album just because it was supposed to be great and I was kinda let down... And I've talked to hardcore NIN fans who said they were disappointed by comparison of past work, but compared to everything else out there they could understand all the hype. Something can be disappointing by standards previously set by an artist but still be heads and shoulders above everything else that is out there.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:06:30 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: (mobility) More K ~ I'm sure that you guys are really getting sick of me doing this but here's the AOL Music Editor's choices (note ~ they have a picture of Moby next to the vote for your favorites thing on the main music page ~ subliminal messaging... Makes him kinda look like Kevin Spacey.) Fiona Apple - When the Pawn... Mary J. Blige - Mary Chemical Brothers - Surrender Everything But The Girl - - Temperamental Foo Fighters - There is Nothing Left to Lose Limp Bizkit - Significant Other Macy Gray - On How Life Is Moby - Play Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile Me'Shell Ndegeocello - Bitter Ol' Dirty Bastard - N*** Please Beth Orton - Central Reservation Rage Against the Machine - Battle of Los Angeles Roots - Things Fall Apart Britney Spears - Baby, One More Time Stereophonics - Performance & Cocktails TLC - FanMail Wilco - Summer Teeth Kelly Willis - What I Deserve The Artist - Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic Kinda a weird blend..... Specially Britney Spears and Limp Bizkit.. I think they pretty much took whatever CD that got some notority and posted it..... No BSB or NSYNc or Christina Augularia.. What would all the 13 year old girls say? Major rioting is going to go loose if AOL doesn't include them. Oh, I am serious protesting the Foo's inclusion. I was so disappointed in Nothing Less to Loose, and I love the foo... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:11:48 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 In a message dated 12/16/1999 8:03:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, tripwire@vdot.net writes: << I just hope Moby isn't stuck in big beat gospel recordings forever. >> Me too... It's really not my favorite (besides Porcelian).. I go for more of his emotional instrumental stuff anyways.. But what is cool is that he's getting the recognition... He deserves it.. He's been making beautiful music for a long time and it's about time... I talked to someone the other day who only had heard of Feeling So Real.. then I had to give him a huge lecture (not really) about how much more there was to it. And i don't think he'll get stuck.. He kinda does whatever he wants to do regardless of what people expect, Animal Rights... What is blowing people away with Play I think is that no one else has done what he's done.... He's like the electronica superstar with a soul or something.. I dunno... I'm babbling.. I'm stoping.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:58:04 EST From: Tempst481@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 It was pretty cool to see Les Nubiens on the Time list... Just wanted to say that MTV has its redeeming points. The vast majority of its programming includes such juvenile material, but some of it is pretty interesting. If youth are weak enough to be brainwashed by the media, they probably won't amount to anything anyway... I actually like M2 a lot. They play a real variety of music, it's great, I first heard Moby on M2, and other wonderful artists like Cat Power. And I love music videos! The combination of the audio and the visual, the innovation that goes on artistically... Even mainstream videos are so interesting if you look at all the intricacies, the framing, lighting, wow. Just to put my opinion out on the floor, Love and Peace, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:01:41 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 In a message dated 12/16/1999 8:59:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, Tempst481@aol.com writes: << The combination of the audio and the visual, the innovation that goes on artistically... Even mainstream videos are so interesting if you look at all the intricacies, the framing, lighting, wow. >> I hate to admit, but I love watching the Making of the Video... It's just interesting.. And I loved watching the making of REM's Great Beyond (Moby's twin/alter ego ~ Watch them dance.. they dance so similar... a lot of army jerky movements ~ which I noticed while watching Losing my Religion) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?girch?= Subject: (mobility) Names What all names has Moby gone by in his career? Dragon_Slayer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:46:03 +1000 From: Jane Browning Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #58 At 00:01 17/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/16/1999 8:59:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, >Tempst481@aol.com writes: > ><< The combination of > the audio and the visual, the innovation that goes on artistically... Even > mainstream videos are so interesting if you look at all the intricacies, the > framing, lighting, wow. >> I agree, there are some interesting techniques. I guess my brain just finds the whole music video concept a bit odd - especially when they are played one after the other after the other....when they become a show in themselves. When they are played in the wee hours of the morn, they are a good insomnia cure though, sitting in a trance, stuffing some sort of leftover in my mouth. Oh, but I guess this is the age when art merges into a multimedia event and I am being a bit too separatist. It's bizarre,though, when one sense, in this instance 'sound', stimulates the other senses, so that not only can you 'see' the music but it also fingers your insides, sends troops of spidery tingles rushing through (like Everloving does for me) - but I haven't smelt or tasted music yet - that would be interesting. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:55:52 -0800 (PST) From: Minesh Patel Subject: (mobility) Live Moby Moby is so fucking awsome live. I only have his reverb video for the live stuff but does anyone have any live CD's or tapes or anywhere I can get them in Los Angeles. Late. Minesh _______________________________________________________ Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:22:34 -0800 (PST) From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson Subject: (mobility) moby comments in CMJ right i just got this CMJ issue and Moby comments about things, heres what he sez: In the late '60s and early '70s, great albums were also popular albums. "Back then, music was the domain of counterculture," Moby says. "Now that's just not the case: there is no more counterculture." Moby pins this change on the early '90s alternative boom. "After Nirvana, suddenly everyone expected bands to sell millions of records," he says. "and in order to sell millions of records, you either have to get really lucky or really compromise your art and pander to the marketplace." The result: bands these days are either overtly commercial (Creed, Offspring) or highly specialized Tortoise, Emperor). There's nothing in the middle, which is where the most meaningful stuff lies. "That marriage of art and commerce is so interesting, and when it delves too far in one direction-if there's too much art or there's too much commerce-it's boring," Moby says. "The reason why, from my perspective, Public Enemy or Led Zeppelin or Elvis Presley were so wonderful is because they embraced art and commerce equally." For Moby, the endless stream of kiddie and fluff-pop acts at the 1999 MTV Video Music Awards show provided an epiphany. "Seeing them all next to each other suddenly made me realize just how far things have gone in that direction and how distasteful it all is," Moby says. "There's nothing wrong with having a healthy balance of interesting music and pop music. But the balance has shifted to crassly materialistic, cynical, market-driven music. And it seems like that's all there is now." later he says: "To write songs that are exclusively ironic seems very cowardly," sas Moby. "And especially when it comes to a lot of alternative culture, it's very uncourgeous. It's people making records that are really only designed for 10 to 20 people to hear. Whether it's alternative rock or post rock or electronic music, it's just very conservative, safe, uncourageous music." and theres a pic of him. ick, i dont like this. music is music, no labels required. if its weird or if its a carbon copy of something, if it sounds good then ROCK ON. i hate this whole "art vs. commerce thing" and what does Elvis have to do with art? i think he was all commerce. then again i hate him so much, so whatever. ick. so what about like TMBG or Zappa? are they not good cuz theyre too arty and not enough pop? alright stop it... okay, go to www.spin.com they have these like Y2K interview survey things for a bunch of folks, including Moby and Guided By Voices and Negativland etc. bye!!!! ===== Even MTV BIGWIGS have heart attacks!!!!! SEND EMAIL TO MTV TELLING THEM TO PUT SIFL AND OLLY BACK ON! ITS THE BEST SHOW ON TELEVISION AND MTV ISNT SHOWING IT! feedback@mtv.com Hotel Detective PHIZZO JOBSON from The Ministry of 'Ousinje (aka >>>>>PAUL<<<<<) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V3 #59 ***************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.