From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #210 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Sunday, June 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 210 Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 (mobility) Play remixed (mobility) For UK Moby fans (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #209 Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 Re: (mobility) moby in the us? Re: (mobility) Dicking around Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 Re: (mobility) Moby and Dido Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 (mobility) not agaiiiinnnnn..... Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 (mobility) Moby's Flower.. (mobility) Reverb Re: (mobility) Reverb Re: (mobility) moby pic in "time" (mobility) Sorry (mobility) Moby's Guide to World Travel Re: (mobility) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:35 -0500 From: John Turpin Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 >did anyone else know that moby has sold all 18 songs from "play" to >various third parties? His record company has licensed the tracks to be used for commercial purposes. Not quite the same thing. >he keeps saying that as long as he doesn't compromise his music, he >thinks it's pretty cool that his music is used in advertising and movies. >i think he wrote "play" to make money, not good music. of course this is >a totally unfair opinion, but i feel it never the less. I think he wrote Play so that he could make a video with Christina Ricci. That jerk -- I can't stand him now... >while i'm in the deep end, i also have problems with his use of large >parts of other people's songs on "play." i doubt that the people who sang >for that old collection had any idea that some inner city white guy would >be making pretty good money and gain fame off their folk songs. >does anyone know if any money is going to their families, if they have >any? I don't see how his ethnic background has anything to do with it... He cleared their use even though they're public domain. I think he's done a wonderful thing to bring forgotten vocalists into some new recognition. >sorry to be damning the man again, but he's making it pretty easy these >days...i still love the 1992-98 version of moby. Oh well. - -- The C.O.D. / John Turpin / "I believe in this reality / But it doesn't answer what it means to me My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond" ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 2000 09:08:36 +0100 From: kaotic@nme.com Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 On Sun, 04 June 2000, theShackofXaq wrote: did anyone else know that moby has sold all 18 songs from "play" to various third parties? I have no problem with anybody selling their songs on to boost further profit on their work, especially when the music is quality , made with some sort of integrity. I do have a problem with people who record standardized, mediocre rubbish under the term of 'music' & then spread their shit as far as is possible. C'mon, surely you'd rather here an ad using a portion of 'Porcelin' than a complete Brittainy track. Kaos "physical love is unattainable without violence" milan kundera 'the unbearable lightness of being' ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname@nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:54:15 +0200 From: "Bart van Eijck" Subject: (mobility) Play remixed Got this off alt.music.moby: >In July a remix album of Play will be released (definetely in Belgium) >I just read it so don't shoot me if I'm wrong Let's hope this guy is right! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Elissa Brown Subject: (mobility) For UK Moby fans Mute's site says Mobes will be on ITV (ch 4) today at 2:30p on the dancestar awards (he won best album and dancestar of the year) as well as on The Priory this Tuesday (ch 4, 6p) he was also on top of the pops this morning, which i was watching before i came to check my email, but left in the middle of (hits self). elissa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:29:38 CEST From: "Danielle #*#" Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #209 Hi everybody! First I want to thank everybody who has been sending pictures of Moby to me. Problem is that I get messages from hotmail, saying "your accountsize is too large..." About a week ago, somebody gave me an address for hearing a part of Moby's song 'flower'. I couldn't open the song, only another artist's song. Have to go now! xxx Danielle ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:44:55 EDT From: Chilidiba9@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 i loved the Time article that completely praised Moby for his musical talent....elie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:18:24 EDT From: Kyleatya@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) moby in the us? yes in the us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:19:05 EDT From: LorenQuigs@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Dicking around That is hilarious....i have to say hearing something as wacked as that made my day! :) - -Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:35:48 -0500 (CDT) From: theShackofXaq Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, Scott Friedman wrote: > - you don't like him anymore because you percieved his motives for the > music changed?...ok...thats a pretty shallow statement...im sorry but that > kinda bs pisses me off...would you prefer he made something that no one > would like? would that be more artistic? well, moby has always written pretty commercial music. i just like the dance stuff he did. there are a million pop stars out there. it's sad to see moby joining them. it would be different if pop radio played something with a bit more respectibility than the back door boys and their clones. moby deserves better. that's why i hate hearing him in coommercials. he's back ground pop when he should be up front and in your face. he's becomming just another commodity for planet killing buisnesses to use. we need more mainstream artists like moby to stand up against these people, not help them out. giving the money to needy orginazitions is good, but the buisnesses he gets the money from make thousands of times more and do millions of times more destruction. that's a big 'ol good guy badge for moby, meaning he does a bad thing that makes him look good. ok, i know how annoying this is to most of you, but sometimes i just need to scream at the blank walls i guess. [xaq] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:44:06 GMT From: "Drakein of EiT" Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 >ok, i know how annoying this is to most of you, You're very right, it is. >but sometimes i just need >to scream at the blank walls i guess. >[xaq] > Um, but you aren't. You're screaming at the list, thereby creating annoying inbox filling email for all of us. Thought I'd join in on the useless complaining too ;] - -Drakein- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:05:05 EDT From: Chilidiba9@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and Dido fist of all...they should get married..second of all, if Moby's Play was the breakthrough of 1999, then Dido's No Angel came real close....they should get together cuz it would be orgasmic....elie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Caviness Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 - --- theShackofXaq wrote: > did anyone else know that moby has sold all 18 > songs from "play" to various third parties? > He hasn't V2 and Mute have. Moby allows them to do this because he wants them to be prosperous in exchange for granting him creative freedom to make music irrespective of whether anyone thinks it's commercial or not. > i think he wrote "play" to make money, not good > music. > That is, of course, if you think "Play" is not good music. I think it is beautiful music. If he wanted to strictly make music, he would make disposable R&B music and find some teenagers who can't sing, but look good, to sing the songs and dance. Let's get a little perspective here. Play has sold 1 million copies worldwide in a little over a year. N'Sync sold 2.5 million copies their first week, and have raised taht up to about 4 million in the following month. That is selling out. V2 uses moby's music in films and advertising to raise awareness about him as an artist and performer. Chances are, they don't make much money off those uses. If any. They want his music heard, and they'll grant it's use to anyone who will put it out there, so I doubt they ask much in return. Most labels who are trying to push an artist like consider it a blessing to be able to expose their artist this way and not have to PAY for it. And again, Moby's music is being used not because it sounds like everything else, but because it sounds NOTHING like anything else out there at the moment. It is original and unique, and a few people are picking up on that. > i also have problems with his use of large > parts of other people's songs on "play." > Sampling is what electronic music is all about, from a sampled break beat forming the pulse of the rhythm to sampled vocalists, to sampled piano riffs, most electronic music is borrowed from other recordings. To Moby's credit, he DID license the use of each performance sampled on Play, fairly credited it, and sought out that royalties were paid back to the estates of the original performers. he didn't have to. Most the performances he used are public domain. He could've used them for free. But he didn't. And unlike other artists who use sampling to accentuate their own work or make themselves bigger (Sean "Puffy" Combs comes to mind), Moby's selection of older recordings on Play seems to accentuate the original performer over Moby. He makes them the star of the song. > sorry to be damning the man again, but he's > making it pretty easy these > days...i still love the 1992-98 version of > moby. > He makes it easy if you keep living in the past with your perception of an artist that is 2 to 10 years old. Honestly, I miss music that moby made that was geared towards the dance floor. I wish we could get a record of hard progressive stuff like "Machete" out of him. But I realized a long time ago that Moby isn't strictly a rave artist. And he hasn't been since Move. He makes the kind of music he is compelled to make by his creative forces, and that often leads him into musical directions no one expects. Sometimes I wish he would just make a record we could dance to. but then I get teary eyed listening to "Why does My Heart Feel So Bad?" or "Porcelain" and I realize there are anyone can make a "cool" dance record, but few people can touch your emotions like Moby can with his music. All in all, I Xaq, I love and respect you. You've been around here as long as i have, but I have to say, I think your disappointment with Moby has to do more with his failure to meet your expectations for the kind of music he should be making, or the kind of political/religious stances he should be taking and less to do with the quality of Moby's music/public persona which I think is having a good effect on the music industry in general. ===== Bradley S. Caviness, Bigwig Bigwig Enterprises "I've often wondered how someone could put a critique of music into words. And I've also wondered why there was no musical commentary on writing." - - Dr. Peter Kreeft, author __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) not agaiiiinnnnn..... yeah really, i agree with Tone Matrix. again? jeez. so what if people like moby now? isnt that a good thing? and if you no longer like moby, why are you still on this list? sorry if that sounds mean, and i still like you and yr music Xaq, but come on! we dont want to hear how much moby sucks! i dont want to rant forever so i'll stop now (and i can hear you all rejoicing, yay...) moby ROCKS! DJ PAUL ===== Even MTV BIGWIGS have heart attacks!!!!! SEND EMAIL TO MTV TELLING THEM TO PUT SIFL AND OLLY BACK ON! ITS THE BEST SHOW ON TELEVISION AND MTV ISNT SHOWING IT! feedback@mtv.com Hotel Detective PHIZZO JOBSON from The Ministry of 'Ousinje (aka >>>>>PAUL<<<<<) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:09:31 +0100 From: "Viv" Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 So now we're blank walls...? I just hope you're as perfect as you expect him to be. Maybe you put him on a pedestal when you should just be listening to music you like and not listening to music you don't? Me? I just like him cos he's vegan... >face. he's becomming just another commodity for planet killing >buisnesses to use. we need more mainstream artists like moby to stand up >against these people, not help them out. giving the money to needy >orginazitions is good, but the buisnesses he gets the money from make >thousands of times more and do millions of times more destruction. that's >a big 'ol good guy badge for moby, meaning he does a bad thing that makes >him look good. >ok, i know how annoying this is to most of you, but sometimes i just need >to scream at the blank walls i guess. >[xaq] > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:17:09 +0100 From: "Viv" Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 And just to show how shallow I am, my significant other/love of my life/family is a dog, and she's 16 and not well, and I feed her meat (i.e. dead animals) cos that's all she'll eat. And I've only got a couple of Moby albums too... - -----Original Message----- From: Viv To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Date: 04 June 2000 23:46 Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 >So now we're blank walls...? >I just hope you're as perfect as you expect him to be. >Maybe you put him on a pedestal when you should just be listening to music >you like and not listening to music you don't? >Me? I just like him cos he's vegan... > >>face. he's becomming just another commodity for planet killing >>buisnesses to use. we need more mainstream artists like moby to stand up >>against these people, not help them out. giving the money to needy >>orginazitions is good, but the buisnesses he gets the money from make >>thousands of times more and do millions of times more destruction. that's >>a big 'ol good guy badge for moby, meaning he does a bad thing that makes >>him look good. >>ok, i know how annoying this is to most of you, but sometimes i just need >>to scream at the blank walls i guess. >>[xaq] >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:53:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Rader Subject: (mobility) Moby's Flower.. I see Flower is floating around Napster now. The song is pretty good but it's too short! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:52:14 EDT From: No1gypsie@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Reverb I hope this isn't too late for you guys, we jsut had a bad lightening storm and I''m just able to get back online. Moby's reverb is going to be on hbo tonight. I of course dont' get to see it, but for those of you that would like to see it or re see it, here it is again. yay. Later Emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:58:36 EDT From: "- hyponoise -" Subject: Re: (mobility) Reverb wilt @ mp3.com [ www.mp3.com/wilt/ ] has finaly been updated. a quick lil run-down for those intersted in the new songs : [ wilt is my musical variable of the last few years. its just something i like to do. in the past my song lode was on a skinny puppy tribute ] painik . a funky lil number, was origionaly intended to be a cover of paranoid android for a school talent show but it didnt sound right w/ the vocals. now on loan to my detoit rapper friend. [ he says it reminds him of early massive attack but i dont see it ] painik.premutation . the origional version of painik before the paranoid android-ish restyling. a vocal version will be added as soon as i can record vox. [ i need a good mic ] the whole painik series is an exploration of more 'poppy' songs. let me know how it went. [ please rich sir? spare a pence? ] shun . an older song dates back to lode and is more in that industrail clod beat style. i really like the analog beep chaos going on. male.female and slant . part of a multihour jam session with one drone loop. i really like it and i usualy listen to the whole session as i sleep. it has an odd time warping side effect. c - 12 . a lil song i composed for my friend katies birthday. some nice idm-ish blips and bloops. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:03:43 EDT From: "courtney colonna" Subject: Re: (mobility) moby pic in "time" did anyone else happen to notice that the picture on the page opposite the one of moby in "time" has the ck billboard with him on it in the background?? that amuses me. just wanted to fill up everyone's inboxes with useless messages. hee hee. ;) courtney who loves moby because he makes amazing music and thinks he deserves to do whatever he wants with it >From: Chilidiba9@aol.com >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (mobility) 18 for 18 >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:44:55 EDT > >i loved the Time article that completely praised Moby for his musical >talent....elie > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:13:07 EDT From: Popgirlee@aol.com Subject: (mobility) Sorry K, I am really sorry you all had to read my stats. For some reason, I just thought it was going to the webmaster..xoxo Court ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:26:21 -0700 From: "Sara M." Subject: (mobility) Moby's Guide to World Travel There's a thing on Moby at spin.com called Moby's Guide to World Travel. Not terribly interesting but you might want to check it out anyway. http://www.spin.com/heavy/nowfeaturing/2000/06/02/1/index.html - -Sara Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:27:04 -0500 (CDT) From: theShackofXaq Subject: Re: (mobility) On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Brad Caviness wrote: > > i think he wrote "play" to make money, not good > > music. did i actually write this? ug... > That is, of course, if you think "Play" is not > good music. I think it is beautiful music. If he i kind of like "southside" 'cause it sounds just like frank black, but yes, for the most part i was really dissapointed with "play" and haven't listened to it since about a month after it came out. the songs are good, but seem to lack the emotional depth of stuff like "into the blue" "when it's cold i'd like to die" "living" "alone" "i feel it" "feeling so real" etc... to be compleatly honest, "everything is wrong" was the soundtrack to the best year of my life, so i guess that has a lot to do with it...:) > dance. Let's get a little perspective here. Play > has sold 1 million copies worldwide in a little > over a year. N'Sync sold 2.5 million copies their > first week, and have raised taht up to about 4 > million in the following month. That is selling good point. i never even consider things like BS, backdoor, in'sink etc as actuall artists since ther are all owned by some fat dude who runs some airline. like i've said before, i'm very happy that moby is finally getting exposure. my problem is what his music is selling, that's all. do you think that old hippies are happy that the music that defined their generation is now being used to sell luxury cars, sneakers, and designer ice cream? > To Moby's credit, he DID license the use of each > performance sampled on Play, fairly credited it, > and sought out that royalties were paid back to > the estates of the original performers. he didn't > have to. Most the performances he used are public THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME THIS! i just thought he paid for the rights and some traveling tape recorder guy was getting the money. > All in all, I Xaq, I love and respect you. You've > been around here as long as i have, but I have to > say, I think your disappointment with Moby has to > do more with his failure to meet your > expectations for the kind of music he should be > making, or the kind of political/religious > stances he should be taking and less to do with > the quality of Moby's music/public persona which > I think is having a good effect on the music > industry in general. i think it's going to take more than moby to improve the music industry, but i agree that he's doing some good. i'm not as dissapointed with his new music as i am with his seeming abandonment of his past ideals. for a media personallity, he's a saint, but by his open attitude twards advertising, he's failing to live up to his words in EIW, AR, and now play. i guess only time will tell whether or not he has any real impact, and whether or not he can live up to his own words. [xaq] "the solitary creator, dreaming his or her dream, unaided, seems to me to be the only artist we can trust." Harlan Ellison-writer "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop. but i really enjoy thinking." Masafumi Sanai-photographer www.d.umn.edu/~zbentz/ ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V3 #210 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.