From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #270 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Sunday, July 30 2000 Volume 03 : Number 270 (mobility) "help me to believe" (mobility) Moby Show Perth AU 7/28/00 (mobility) A Christian View & The Spirituality Of "Everything is Wrong" (mobility) The Porcelain video RE: (mobility) The Porcelain video (mobility) I got tickets to Moby .. and I'm sad. (mobility) The price of tickets... (mobility) God, Moby and the state of New Mexico ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: natalie leblanc Subject: (mobility) "help me to believe" i am trying to introduce my roommate to more moby as she really does not care for him much. today i made her listen to "moby" which she thought was ok, but made me think about how freaking amazing he is over and over again. i know that picking favorite songs is silly and difficult, but "help me to believe" makes me so damn happy. the change, when things sort of stop, like in "everything" (which is also superb) when the dr mario-esque music kicks in. the more i think about it the more i think this might be my favorite album. i just can't stop smiling...which i'm sure you all needed to hear, eh?...natalie. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:00:03 +0800 From: Anthony Bara Subject: (mobility) Moby Show Perth AU 7/28/00 I must confess, I have not seen Moby in the flesh since he DJ'ed at Maskarave in 1993... my how things have changed. Anyway, the show was the complete opposite of that night.. more like a rock concert really. Very packed venue, very hot... not a very good vibe. Too many drunk meatheads. I was a bit confused as to why he brought a vocalist, who mostly lip-synched to sequenced vocals, it seems like the bass player only really actually played on the more rocky tracks, she definitely wasn't playing on So Real, Go or the Bond theme. Anyway Mr. Moby was into it, enjoyed himself it seems..does anyone know what he opened with? a.b. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:08:21 GMT From: "Sarah McMullan" Subject: (mobility) A Christian View & The Spirituality Of "Everything is Wrong" Hello all, Firstly yay us for having an interesting informed thoughful debate over the last couple of weeks. I've only been a member here for a month or so and it's fantastic to find a list that actually debates instead of just swapping boring "I love Moby the most" mail. I've also kept quiet on this whole spirituality/religion thing cos I've been horrendously ill with a head cold and haven't really been making much sense so now I'm feeling better I'll post. You have been warned.... For the record I am a 24 nearly 25 year old SWF. I am a Christian by which I define as a) believeing in God b) believeing he had a son called Jesus Christ c) Christ died on the cross for our (MY) sins so that we (I) could have the chance to enter his fathers kingdom when my physical time on this earth is done. Before some of you go "Yuck! Christian!" and start rolling your eyes I'd like to say that I have only been a Christian for 2 or so years, I was the worlds staunchest ANTICHRISTIAN for many years prior. I have lived a fairly full and varied life and continue to do so (to a degree). I've done the whole sex drugs rock n roll thing and have done things I'm not proud of, not because I'm a Christian now, but because they just weren't right. I'm not going to tell anyone how to live or how to act because who am I to do that? And anyway it would be pretty hypocritical of me. I don't agree with many churches policies against abortion or homosexuality. I believe and love the teachings of Christ, not the vicious small minded and downright nastily self serving views of many right churches today. Love is the most important thing in the world. Becoming a Christian was like making peace with myself. It was just too damn hard being judge jury AND executioner for myself all the time. Something was not right with me. I had always known that but just couldn't work it out. One day (ok, one year :)I did. I made peace and I feel I am better off for it. I don't think you can bring someone to Christianity. It will happen for someone when they want it/need it to. If ever. Ultimately - it's between you and the big Guy. My name is Sarah and I'm a Chrsitian. I don't wear walk socks or head scarves. I drink (though not to the point of passing out or vomiting teh next morning)). I swear. I don't do drugs (anymore) but am not going to tell everyone to "stop right this minute or else!!!!". I have a tattoo on my lower back (it represents my spiritual strength). I wear anything but conservative clothes (just not fur/leather). I dye my hair weird colours. I like scary dark films by Lynch and Kubrick. And if I like someone, I'll kiss him. With tounge if I want to. So that's me....why did I tell you all that? Because I was thinking about the "Moby's Most Spiritual Songs" thread. It got me thinking. In fact it got me getting my whole flat to thinking so one evening all 3 of us (the 2 boys and I) sat round and listened to the 4 major albums - Everything is Wrong (EIW), I like to score (ILTS), Animal Rights (AR) and Play (play). We then talked about what we thought was spiritual and why. I know it's terribley clinical but it was actually quite fun. This is what we came up with. (And I'm sorry but 2 of us both have degrees in communications with a special interest in social semiotics thru music; and psychology) Hymn - Definatly a spiritual song. Has an etheral, gliding feel. Delicate (the opening keyboards) yet powerful (building swooping strings). Great feelings of immense space. Feeling So Real - Uplifting, hopeful. Reminiscent of Hymn via keyboard use. All That I Need Is To Be Loved - To me this is an an incredibley spiritual song. It reminds me very much of when I first became a Christian (a couple of years ago) and teh struggle I had(have) initially with the paradox of wanting to be godly on earth. All I wanted to do was live like Him and it was so damn hard. Being a new Christian I also felt isolated as I forged my bond with God much to the ridicule an disdain of friends and family who just didn't get it. Even if your friends and family DO get it - it's still an isolated experience - you're making your peace with god, examining yourself wholly in front of someone who knows all. It's very humbling and it doesn't get much more personal than that. "All that I need is to be loved Can't you take this out of me All I want is to be near you Oh my God, how can I love thee? Oh my God..... No one on earth can need what I need Noone on earth can feel what I must feel" Everytime You Touch Me - Hmmm.... we argued about this. Actually we argued about the lyrics. "Discussed" the lyrics I mean. We thought it was (and please help us out if you can) "Come take me away Everything is wrong today Everytime you touch me I feel like I'm being born Everytime you touch me I feel like I need some more Love so high ??????????? Used to be alone now I feel so (bad?????)" Looking for a spiritual bent, B suggested it was a rapturous song about someone having been touched by the spirit of God and wanting more of it. A said bollocks. I'm sitting on the fence. Into the Blue - This track again falls into the definetly spiritual realm. Starting with the subtle choral fx on the voice and the organ in the background, it has a very cathedral-esque ambience. What is the blue? I always assumed it was water but my flatmates argue it is the sky...."I fly into the blue..." Water could be a reference to baptisim, rebirth and "...reaching forever..." could mean everlasting life. Hmmmmm... To me the song always gives me the image of floating on my back, arms wide open facing the sky as I get tossed with the tide. Rising and falling with the waves swell beneath me. It reminds me of giving up all control - going with the flow of life (and God) and seeing where we end up 'cos wherever it is, it was planned for us. Everything is Wrong - A heartbreaking, maudlin, solitary song. Absolute spiritual vibes. God Moving Over the Face of the Waters- Obvious religious reference to walking on water. Like Hymn, this piece features a detailed keyboard part (is it me or does it sound very much like Michael Nymans "The Piano" soundtrack?) with epic swirling strings underneath. Gives the idea of shadows gliding. One suggestion was that at about 1min18 seconds where the lilting strings come in over the top, it's a bit like angels watching gathering on high to watch God as he walks over the water and teh rest of the piece is how His presence effects the sea on which he walks. The keyboard sounds like waves leaping and clapping, I always imagine a vast ocean with a wind whipping across it, very powerful, very raw, very alive. It's as if Moby has sat and watched immense power of the the ocean and gone and created it in his music. The delicate see foam dancing on teh crests to the swirling and deadly undercurrents and shear volume of water. GMOTFOTW stirs my heart. When It's Cold I'd Like To Die - "Where were you when I was lost and locked away freezing cold? I don't wanna swim the ocean I don't wanna fight the tide I don't wanna swim forever When it's cold I'd like to die what was that my sweet sweet nothing? I can't hear you through the fog If I holler (let me go?) If I falter let me know" Once again water featuring very strongly. If you extend the metaphors of "Into the Blue", as in finding God is like accepting your path, letting go and going with the flow then this seems to make alot of sense. (I think!). This is such a sad song. A plainant "where were you when I needed you?" song. The sad reality is, that being a Christian doesn't mean all your problems go away. If anything it makes things more difficult and it means that at times when you're really soul searching, when you're really struggling to understand something that just seems so wrong, you may find yourself questioning, asking "why? why? I just don't understand!" and all you have is the fact that of course you can't understand - you're not God. You can only trust in His plan and sometimes that's really hard. **** The other thing we realised is that songs that tend to be slow, solitary, sad sounding; that feature delicate keyboards and ambienty type fx tend to be the ones where as a listener you can become quite introspective which in turn can lead to spiritual trains of thought. What do you reckon? Man this is long. And atrociously written with shocking spelling and grammer. Apologies - guess that cold medication hasn't quite cleared from my system. Or maybe it was all those drugs I did in the 80's....(joke - I was aged 5 - 15 in the 80's!!!) Anyway class - tomorrow we will look at Play..... Sarah PS - Was looking at the letters that Moby had posted to the list. It's pretty groovey he reads mobility and isn't afraid to let us know it, that he replies and especially that he took time to refute rumours of him having a girlfriend. How real boy next door is that?! (If only my next door neighbour made music like that....he thinks he's gonna grow up and be in Creed). Plus his top ten list kicks ass (it's kinda similar to mine). Time for some work. Ciao ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:51 EDT From: No1gypsie@aol.com Subject: (mobility) The Porcelain video I was up real early this morning, I woke up around 4:45 and was up til 6. Porcelain came on vh1 at about 10 til 6 and I was still trying to sleep. I decided to see what commercial had moby this time and it wasn't a commercial. I won't give the video away, it's a good one. Isn't this the one he had to change though? I'm still mad about htat, but this video has a real good concept. They'll probably play it a whole lot, it's got "new" in the corner so it should get alot of play. Anyway, I hope you all get to see it soon. I want to hear what others think too. Emily - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:46:18 +0100 From: "Geoffrey Sproule" Subject: RE: (mobility) The Porcelain video the original version of the video was far better. the close up of the eye one! when, oh when is moby releasing a dvd of all his videos and the alternate versions of them??????? i for one would love to get my hands on that also the remix cd when iit is releases (?) also if there was a live cd i would be so happy ;-) p.s. did moby revert back to his old logo, i prefered the new one ;-( - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of No1gypsie@aol.com Sent: 29 July 2000 17:16 To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: (mobility) The Porcelain video I was up real early this morning, I woke up around 4:45 and was up til 6. Porcelain came on vh1 at about 10 til 6 and I was still trying to sleep. I decided to see what commercial had moby this time and it wasn't a commercial. I won't give the video away, it's a good one. Isn't this the one he had to change though? I'm still mad about htat, but this video has a real good concept. They'll probably play it a whole lot, it's got "new" in the corner so it should get alot of play. Anyway, I hope you all get to see it soon. I want to hear what others think too. Emily - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:21:29 -0700 From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: (mobility) I got tickets to Moby .. and I'm sad. But let me explain: I bought tickets to Moby's concert at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles at about 12:45 today. The tickets went on sale at noon. I was in complete shock when they took out the seating chart and told me where my seats would be... I'm sad because if I had known this was a seated concert I would have been at Ticketbastard well before noon in hopes of getting the front row or something. My seats aren't horrible (looks about 20 or 30 rows back but on the far right side) but you get my point. I can't believe Moby's only L.A. show is going to be a sit down theatre!! Oh yeah the ticket says $31 but after the service charge it ends up $36.75. Pretty darn expensive! Tonight I'm going to see BT at a club and that's gonna be $25 bux.. why is everything so expensive now? - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 05:52:54 GMT From: "Sarah McMullan" Subject: (mobility) The price of tickets... Hey all, Sunday afternoon in sleepy wee Taupo and having already cleaned the bathroom top to toe, entertained guests for 3 hours in my bathrobe (that wasn't the entertainment so stop right there...)and finally got dressed, I'm continuing the trend of non stop excitement by prepping tomorrows show tonight. Oh how very rock n roll is radio..... Anyway, saw Shauns post and had to chuckle. Down here in New Zealand, a show for $36.75 would be a considered a steal!!! The Moby gig I went to a week or so ago cost me $48NZ for the ticket plus booking fee of $8 per ticket. (As in you could buy 10 tickets on teh one credit card and still have to pay a total of $80 booking fee). Ricky Martin is playing here in October (ohhh hold me back:) tickets are FROM $90 plus booking fee and the likes of the Rolling Stones and U2 don't even come here anymore cos they can't make any money unless they charge over $400 per ticket. The Popmart tour came to Sydney Australia instead of NZ cos of the very harsh reality of cost. For them to have played here they would have needed to charge $500+ a ticket and needed a minimum of 100000 people. Sydney with 450000 people at $100Aust was a better bet. It sucks. We hardly get any good gigs here and if they do come to NZ chances are they go to Auckland only (which for the unenlightened is our biggest city; has a popn of about 1 and a quarter million people and is situated towards the top of the North Island which means you're looking at an airfare of at least $500 return to get there from anywhere in the South Island. 3 NZ dollars = 1 US dollar, 3.5 NZ$ = 1 pound). I however am now living only a mere 3 and a half hour drive out of Auckland so it's making things a little more bearable. Big concerts to hit NZ this year? Vengaboys (oh stop the excitement!!!) Tom Jones Englebert Humperdink Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals MOBY (of course :) Travis and a handful of djs like Nick Warren who play one off gigs in Akld. (And in case you're wondering - I saw nearly all of the above. In fact I did see all but the Vengaboys.( Wonder why?!) It's quite a sad state of affairs really. The good thing is apart from shows where you want to sit down (Tom, Englebert etc etc) there are never sit down shows. I've never been to one here. Mainly I guess cos the venues aren't that big anyway and usually there is a seated area available. The 3 times I've seen Moby here he has always had a seated area available. Unfortunately the price of tix is also refelected in price of paraphenalia. $50 Moby t shirt anyone? I believe the Neil Diamond t shirts were like $90 last year. Scary but true. (And in case you're wondering - I used to work at a love songs station so Tom, Neil, Englebert etc were all work enforced visitation. Though I would have paid for Neil and Tom - LEGENDS!!!) So next time you glance thru the band listings and moan cos there's nothing on just be glad you're not here in NZ where there really ISN'T anything on. Except some fantastic kiwi music but that's a whole different posting......:) Sarah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:11:12 GMT From: "Jake M." Subject: (mobility) God, Moby and the state of New Mexico First off, to those who don't care about the religion topic, I would like to know if anyone has any info about Moby's Alberqurque, NM Show (I know the date and place, but no more than that). If anyone knows ticket prices, time, anything about the venue etc... It would be greatly appreciated, I am going to try to see the man twice in the same month (or at least its my goal)...thanks in advance. I've been very glad that this subject has been discussed on the list as of yet. I wrote the question on a whim, purely out of curiousity, glad to see people are finding this interesting...anyway... Thank you Sarah, I thought your letter was great as well as your takes on Moby's most spiritual songs. (other letters were great as well, thats the last one I read). I made the mistake or writing that moby was a christian, but when I wrote it I was meaning "Christian" as in the sense that Sarah said "I am a Christian by which Idefine as a) believeing in God b) believeing he had a son called Jesus Christ c) Christ died on the cross for our (MY) sins so that we (I) could have the chance to enter his fathers kingdom when my physical time on this earth is done." I understand that Moby is not a "Christian" in the sense of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson... I feel that a "Christian" does not have to go to church every sunday, and they don't have to be a certian denomination...which is one reason I found Moby's beliefs pretty refreshing in an age of fundamentalism... Christians don't have to be raised in a church, they don't have to have lead the perfect "good" life, they don't have to go to church, or believe what the Pope or Pat Robertson believe (not to place the two on the same credibility level)... Heck, for years I was a devout Atheist later on an Agnostic (up until about 2 years ago), denying God, pissing off Christians, I still am Pro-choice, pro-seperation of church and state, form of evolution believing, politicaly liberal, Cure listening Christian (I obviously disagree with those on the list that implied believing in Evolution would contradict believing in the Bible), but not to get off on a theological dogmatic philosophy... As for Moby's songs...especially Living...This song to me is a metaphor for life, life has its ups and downs, the good parts and the bad parts...and then...at the end ascention into heaven. Christianity as defined well above is not really a religion, its very personal (but can be communal), a philosophy on life, and should not be only looked at in refrence to the fundamentalists.... No more soapbox for me folks. (well not for now). BTW, rented Beverly Hills Ninja the other night, on one of the previews before the movie First Cool Hive was playing at the begining of the 5th Element preview... NP: Public Enemy "There's a poison going on" Chuck D and Prof. Griff's new project Confrontation Camp (a political rap/rock/r&b ish hybrid) is out Aug. 8th...RIYL Rage Against the Machine.... pretty good stuff. Jake "The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato - -- http://www.angelfire.com/co/rockman/index.html -- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V3 #270 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.