From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #280 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Sunday, August 6 2000 Volume 03 : Number 280 (mobility) Sota OT: Not in the pit RE: (mobility) Rolling Rock Report and Crowd Surfing-kinda OT Re: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? (mobility) I finally get to see his show... Re: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? (mobility) Bootleggers Unite RE: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? RE: (mobility) SO THEN, (live sounds) (mobility) a few of my favorite things Re: (mobility) ooh boy polls are fun (mobility) Should a Moby gig sound like his cd? (mobility) ar songs live ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:38:02 -0500 From: "distilled & embittered" Subject: (mobility) Sota OT: Not in the pit This discussion on being in the pit made me wonder: I went to the Campus Invasion tour...so there were a lot of angst-ridden fans who moshed throughout Moby and Bush. Moby's coming to Dallas late next month, and the ticketdealer said the floor would most likely be general admission; I can't decide whether or not to get closer general seating (which may result in moshing) or be further back but in a seat. Does it take from the atmosphere to not be jumping around with the crowd? Or can you enjoy it more when you're just sorta dancing in place from afar? I know with Alanis and Garbage, it was better to just be sorta stationery at my seat, but I could still dance without all the obsolete body surfing... anthony :) np: carnival-tori - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:08:46 -0700 From: "chris" Subject: RE: (mobility) Rolling Rock Report and Crowd Surfing-kinda OT Here's the problem..Moby is playing rock festivals...and people are bitching about people moshing during Moby like at the same festival as Red Hot Chili Peppers and Filter. I think people jumping up and down is just as bad, because then YOU have to jump up and down also no matter how tired you are or you get clobbered. I come home with bruises all the time, I looked like roadkill after woodstock..but like it's what I expect. Go see moby in a small club or at a rave where it's strictly for dance. The crowd is not going to tone down just for Moby and his chilled out fans. And if you are pregnant, I mean you shouldb't be out in the crowd anyways near the front..because even without the moshing and surfing there are thousands of people pressed up against each other. My philosophy is that is is chaotic enough to begin with by packing thousands of people in one tight spot, so people get pissed. I have had time where I can not breathe where I fell and got stepped on, but I didn't blame people for it..I knew it was going to be that way. People in the crowd that can't be around that, should be in the back or in seats, that's just the way it is. Because the few thousand people up front, are not going to feel sorry for whoever just wants to chill out instead of exerting energy. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but I don't think stereotyping people who like to get out frustrations as nincompoops is justified. chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of No1gypsie@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 12:15 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Rolling Rock Report and Crowd Surfing-kinda OT Why can't they understand that some people in the crowd can't be around that? I was next to a girl in a wheel chair at that show. I always go to the person in the wheelchair because they always get knocked over. I help keep the fuckers away from them. I don't appreciate going home with bruises all over me, and I'm not the one in the pit. I like to be up front, I used to be, before I got pregnant, and I had bruises all over my ribs, my breasts, my face, my shins. That's unfair to the rest of the crowd that don't like it. I don't care if the artist likes it, most of the crowd gets pushed away because they don't. You can just jump up and down, rather than beat everyone else in the venue up. I understand it'll never be stopped. That's why I don't go to shows any more. Just raves for me. Later Emily - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:56:58 +0200 From: Rob Subject: Re: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? chris wrote: > well ok big boned soulc hick might be a littte deameaning..but it pissed me > off she was doing nothing..I could tell she sang some parts in porcelain but > that was it..I mean she is singing with with why does my heart feel so bad > and I can tell it's the sample cause I can hear the background distortion in > it. It's like I know the samples are playing off a DAT or something..don't > insult my intelligence by having someone lipsing. > > chris Hi Chris, I know for sure that she's not mouthing or playbacking. When I watched the live coverage of the Pinkpop Festival in Holland last June, I could hear her singing WITH the words. But when I was among the crowd during the Drum Rhythm Festival in Amsterdam last May I couldn't hear her, and I had the very same feeling you have. It appears it depends on the soundmixing. I bet the crowds at Pinkpop haven't heard her either, only on tele she was audible ... Still don't know if it's Moby himself who controls this or a sound technician with a complete lack of feeling for good vocals ... And yes, in a backstage interview at the same Pinkpop festival he told that there is someone at the side of the stage mixing the samples 'live'. I do agree with xaq that a fully armoured band or orchestra (what about a gospel choir) would do the songs far more right. Especially the songs from 'Play'. Rob - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:03:47 -0600 From: Daniel Redmond Subject: (mobility) I finally get to see his show... Greetings all. I found out this weekend that Moby is planning to play in Boise on 10 Sept. Now I'm really stoked! Anyway, I was thinking about taping the show *if the venue has no restrictions.* Does anyone on here have any idea what Moby's stance on this is? If he doesn't want people bootlegging his concerts, then that's cool and I won't. However, if he has no problem with it (like DMB and Phish) then I'll probably proceed. later raven "You're getting closer to throwing me off of life's little ledge" - 3 doors down _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:19:56 EDT From: Chilidiba9@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? i just don't understand...is it me or are people posting messages regarding Moby's performances asking for too much...some like his AR stuff and some like his electronic stuff...others one a Moby performance where he'll just play his ambient stuff.....i mean...i'm sorry but there has not been another musician, with the exception of the RHCPs that has kept me on my feet dancing and enjoying the music for 2 hours straight..it's a rollercoaster ride at a moby concert..thats' what makes it interesting...one second he's playing Everloving, the next he's on to Ah-ah....everyone should chill out and quit criticizing our favorite musician....peace...elie - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:19:10 -0700 From: "Rob Skipworth" Subject: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite I don't know about his stance on it, but i've booted two shows so far. Almost had a third but the mic battery died! ARG. Does anyone else on the list tape shows??? I've got a few questions about taping use Assisted Listening Devices. If anyone knows anything about these, please contact me. (please email personally so this doesn't clog up the list with stuff most people don't care about) Thanks! - ----rob > > Anyway, I was thinking about taping the show *if the venue has no > restrictions.* Does anyone on here have any idea what Moby's stance on > this is? If he doesn't want people bootlegging his concerts, then > that's cool and I won't. However, if he has no problem with it (like > DMB and Phish) then I'll probably proceed. > > later > raven > - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:58:38 -0700 From: "chris" Subject: RE: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? Because he could be so much better if his live material was more organic. He can afford a backup choir, I sure know he can afford to get someone who can mix live vocals a bit better. I like all of his stuff, I am just saying the stuff off Play could be performed live a lot better. Right now it seems just a bit too automated with the vocal samples, and then trying to hide it with a singer that can't even be heard. He realizes there is a problem it, I mean he sings along with Natural Blues but what about all the other songs, like Why Does my heart feel so bad just ends up sounding like it's being played straight from tape, he just needs to get some live vocals. I think he may care too much about having it sound exactly like the record. He needs criticism, because I don't think the new audience is identifying live with him, as say you and me. He is playing bigger venues, and he could utlize so much with those songs. V2-records would put out for it, I mean he tried with the string assortment on porcelain live, but I only saw that one time. Just with his creative talent, I just figured there would be a more creative way to perform his songs live. I'm not saying he sucks, just with his new material, it sometimes turns out lackluster in a live scenario. chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chilidiba9@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 2:20 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) SO THEN, WAS MOBY GOOD AT ROLLING ROCK!!!??? i just don't understand...is it me or are people posting messages regarding Moby's performances asking for too much...some like his AR stuff and some like his electronic stuff...others one a Moby performance where he'll just play his ambient stuff.....i mean...i'm sorry but there has not been another musician, with the exception of the RHCPs that has kept me on my feet dancing and enjoying the music for 2 hours straight..it's a rollercoaster ride at a moby concert..thats' what makes it interesting...one second he's playing Everloving, the next he's on to Ah-ah....everyone should chill out and quit criticizing our favorite musician....peace...elie - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:14:08 -0500 (CDT) From: theShackofXaq Subject: RE: (mobility) SO THEN, (live sounds) On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, chris wrote: > Because he could be so much better if his live material was more organic. [cut] > time. Just with his creative talent, I just figured there would be a more > creative way to perform his songs live. I'm not saying he sucks, just with > his new material, it sometimes turns out lackluster in a live scenario. i agree. why have anyone else on-stage when: 1. you can't hear them 2. you have a sample of what they are supposedly playing going over them i think this is only an attempt by V2 (and moby) to make moby a "band" so as to not scare off people who think dance music is just a computer. the irony is that moby the band IS a computer. i say PICK ONE! being a dj, i have no problem dancing just as hard to a record as to a band. if moby wants the perfection of a computer, use it. if he wants the specticle of a band, LET THEM *PLAY*!!! ...and let them be heard. [xaq] "How do you know that?" "I followed you." "I saw know one." "That is what you should expect to see when I follow you." Sherlock Holmes i'm not being lazy...i'm hard at work charting out a vertical world line in four-dimensional space-time. me-dj/producer - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Aug 100 20:20:53 -0500 From: ian crowther Subject: (mobility) a few of my favorite things at the risk of approaching this topic a bit late...(i was away all weekend, hanging with my girl and getting ready for college this fall) top ten favorite albums... in a particularly random order 1. dubnobasswithmyheadman - underworld (god-DAMN is this an album) 2. everything is wrong - moby (longevity has it...been listening to this one for like two years straigh now...) 3. sunday 8pm - faithless 4. give 'em the boot II (a sk-unk comp put out by hellcat records...very much reccomended) 5. achtung baby - u2 (their last truly superior album, and, in my opinion, surpasses joshua tree) 6. when i was born for the seventh time - cornershop 7. different class - pulp 8. quality control - jurassic 5 9. rhythm of the saints - paul simon 10. bunny gets paid - red red meat favorite song is tougher...these really aren't in any order, i think jesus christ - gay dad blackbird - the beatles so cruel - u2 when its cold i'd like to die - moby dirty epic - underworld missing you (dobie mix) - bjork ring of fire - johnny cash sour times - portishead heroes - david bowie on the road back home again - cornershop as to rob's reply to my message (and i am kind of surprised how few people mentioned anything, considering the arms we were up in once religion came up a few days back...) well, i must say it seems a great deal like a sideshow in here, too. many americans do not take our politics seriously. in fact, more than a third of our population will probably not vote in this upcoming election. one of the features of our politics that i distinctly hate (strong word, yes) is that it really does seem like a two party democracy. learned teachers in government classes i have taken (both conservative and liberal) refer to our governemnt as "two-party" when in reality this is *simply not the case,* tho the reps. and dems. would have you believe this. because we are not a parliamentary democracy, like the govt's based on the british system, the oddly named "third parties" have very little national presence. they are not taken seriously, though they are, i stress this, a viable alternative. some of the more vocal of the third parties are the reform party (which is no longer under the control of perot, and in fact does not seem to be under the control of anyone) the libertarians who win occasionally on local levels...and of course the green party. for further info on our uniquely bizarre political systm, i urge you all to visit www.ficus2000.com yours, lengthily, ian _________________________________________________________________ The revolution begins & ends with you. Before you enter the palace of wisdom, you have to decide: are you ready to rock? -Pulp _________________________________________________________________ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 20:54:22 EDT From: "- hyponoise -" Subject: Re: (mobility) ooh boy polls are fun >*STEREOLAB (they are the absolute best ever! everyone > buy every Stereolab cd and vinyl rekkid ever!) sterolab groove to the booty fantastic. i saw them on the last tour and everyone was shakin da bacon. they also have some of the best looking fans ive ever seen [ and yes im glad to be part of that fanbase *bow* ] :] to whoever cant groove to the lab : poo pa po many many a dead dodo fart on you. :] - -jason , the sassy coconut pokemon n . p . neotropic . mr brubakers strawberry alarm clock www.mp3.com/wilt [snake!:underworld.king.of.snake:fan.rmxs] www.idrive.com/kosrmx1/files/shared/ www.idrive.com/kosrmx2/files/shared/ just because a cat has her kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:55:44 GMT From: "Sarah McMullan" Subject: (mobility) Should a Moby gig sound like his cd? Hi, Cannot bite my tounge any longer. We all like his cds. We all like his remixes. Why should he be restricted to performing and presenting his works in exactly the same way each and every time he play? I personally like the fact that by using the technology available and his not inconsiderable talent, Moby can do what the hell he likes when he likes on stage. Sonically anyway. It's his talent that lets him create and I think it's selfish and short sighted of us to expect a carbon copy performance every time. If you want that - listen to the cd because I'm telling you from the point of someone who mixes sound for live acts that it's pretty darn fucking hard to recreate a perfect studio sound perfectly on stage, especially when the artists genre is one akin to Mobys. For a start venue design effects the sound in so many way - hence vocals being prominent at one gig and not at another. This will also change depending on where you stand in the venue and how many people are around you. Crowd sound makes a big difference as does crowd movement. I say we experience Moby live and appreciate what we're being given - Moby live. Doing what he loves and doing what he does best - creating a kick ass performance for us. Not bad when there's 5000 odd people there! And for the record the voluptuous back up singer sang in NZ and she was fantastic. Sarah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) ar songs live <> HELLS YEAH!!!!!! Well he's been reading this seeing that we yearn for some AR stuff live so maybe he will. And sorry for my snotty constant Stereolab worshipping (I know, "join a Stereolab list", I did, it sucked, they just talked about Philly the whole time ;) But well thats just who I am really. And also I forgot to put "Goodbye Goodbye" by µ-ziq on my list ;P On VH1's list of the Greatest Rock N Roll moments ever, they list the Simpsons! Pretty cool. Not any specific moment, just the show. Moby's "Drop A Beat" was on there somewhere once, so Moby's a teeny part of rock n roll history yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't see the whole thing, wonder if maybe AMP or 120 were somewhere up there.... (yeah right ;) My personal #1 Rock moment is... Yeah wins the S&O Battle Of The Bands (beating out Sgt Blind Kiwi Tarzan and Kee Kee And The P.P. Gang), breaks up in protest of sound, and lives in silence forever! ROCK! DJ PAUL np: Dylan "You Belong To Me" ===== ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V3 #280 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.