From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #492 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Tuesday, January 9 2001 Volume 04 : Number 492 Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? (mobility) south side Re: (mobility) south side Re: (mobility) south side Re: (mobility) south side Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? RE: (mobility) "South side" racist? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:15:51 -0600 From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? > btw, would you care to expand upon what you said > for project aristotle? would love to have you > aboard! Eh? project aristotle? > ...but if the difference in skin color is noticed, > then we see some great cultural schism. i don't > buy it. any 'wigger' that tries to fit into a > group of black men is usually ostracized by > 'them' because they simply aren't like that > culturally. It would be naive to say that racial segregation, out of whatever motive by whomever responsible, hasn't led to a cultural difference, perhaps schism was too strong of a word. I'm sure that you would agree that white and black culture are certainly different, right? Further, they don't really homogenize or always live in harmony. This creates an obvious voluntary segragation, not along racial lines, but along cultural lines, which happen to coincide with racial identity. > again, forget race, see roles in society. in > some of the rural towns, you still have this > happening in that black people, relatively new to > a region, stick together and see hate because > that's all they've known all their life. to most > people in cities, etc... race is irrelevant if > someone wants to join that echelon in society. i > welcome people into my midst who perform the same > roles as i do. everyone else is irrelevant > unless in dire need. Don't think for a second that big-city folk are more metropolitan or liberal than small-city folk. In fact, in large cities the lines are even more stark. Just look at the demographics of every major city. Post-1950s after the Supreme Court's desegregation ruling in Brown vs. Board of Ed. the polarization has been even greater, leading to the "donut" effect. A run-down city center where the disinfranchised and poor live (ie Ghetto, inner-city), which usually happen to be minorities like blacks, mexicans, etc... which is surrounded by mediam to upper-class suburbs, those who can afford to leave the poorer, usually crime-ridden areas of the city, which usually happen to be white. Again though, this falls under the category of a cultural difference which just happen to coincide with racial differences. > race is such a silly concept since it deals with > a physical attribute of skin color. silly. Though I agree that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the real world. There are differences, differences in perception which translates to reality in the way people act toward each other. > one culture with subtle difference eventually. > we are in the midst of an assimilation process in > the world, as new cultures are branching out to > one another Careful what you say, the liberal activists may get the wind of their latest buzz-word "globalization" and beat you with their banners. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: DJ Paul Simpson Subject: (mobility) south side ITS JUST A SONG. ROCK! DJ PAUL ===== "I don't really have any interest. I mean, everybody is related, everybody shares the same DNA to some extent. So there is somebody in the world whom I share a little more DNA with. Maybe if I need a blood transfusion or something I should find him.... I am actually a space alien myself." Moby, about his long-lost half brother ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Subject: Re: (mobility) south side And so is "The Thong Song", but I hate that friggin' crap with a passion. Cheers! Eric The Red On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:55:14 -0800 (PST), mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > ITS JUST A SONG. > > ROCK! > DJ PAUL > > ===== > "I don't really have any interest. I mean, everybody is related, everybody shares the same DNA to some extent. So there is somebody in the world whom I share a little more DNA with. Maybe if I need a blood transfusion or something I should find him.... I am actually a space alien myself." Moby, about his long-lost half brother > ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. "It's not easy being green" _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:24:34 -0800 From: "Paul Cross" Subject: Re: (mobility) south side has any one noticed that South Side sounds a lot like (the guitar at = least) the Stone Roses??? Sorta of around the "Second Coming" LP... = hmmm, perhaps it is just me?? >>> techno_gpig@yahoo.com 01/09/01 09:55AM >>> ITS JUST A SONG. ROCK! DJ PAUL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "I don't really have any interest. I mean, everybody is related, = everybody shares the same DNA to some extent. So there is somebody in the = world whom I share a little more DNA with. Maybe if I need a blood = transfusion or something I should find him.... I am actually a space alien = myself." Moby, about his long-lost half brother ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/=20 - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com=20 with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:24:34 -0800 From: "Paul Cross" Subject: Re: (mobility) south side has any one noticed that South Side sounds a lot like (the guitar at = least) the Stone Roses??? Sorta of around the "Second Coming" LP... = hmmm, perhaps it is just me?? >>> techno_gpig@yahoo.com 01/09/01 09:55AM >>> ITS JUST A SONG. ROCK! DJ PAUL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "I don't really have any interest. I mean, everybody is related, = everybody shares the same DNA to some extent. So there is somebody in the = world whom I share a little more DNA with. Maybe if I need a blood = transfusion or something I should find him.... I am actually a space alien = myself." Moby, about his long-lost half brother ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/=20 - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com=20 with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:31:28 EST From: Bijou75@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? - --part1_42.f1d8cde.278cb300_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/09/2001 11:43:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, donkeymike@yahoo.com writes: > >> ...i heard it's all about an experience he had in London...go figure... << > > About five minutes after I'd sent my original post, I realized what a > complete ass I'd made of myself in assuming the song was about either black > or "wigger" culture. I guess I'm the one who's racist. > > BTW, Christopher, thanks for pointing out that the racial divide isn't > confined exclusively to rural areas. > > I'm glad to see I'm not the only analytical one on the list, but at the > same time, I pity poor Moby. Seems the guy can't do anything without it > . - --Carrie - --part1_42.f1d8cde.278cb300_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/09/2001 11:43:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
donkeymike@yahoo.com writes:


>> ...i heard it's all about an experience he had in London...go figure... <<

About five minutes after I'd sent my original post, I realized what a
complete ass I'd made of myself in assuming the song was about either black
or "wigger" culture.  I guess I'm the one who's racist.

BTW, Christopher, thanks for pointing out that the racial divide isn't
confined exclusively to rural areas.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only analytical one on the list, but at the
same time, I pity poor Moby.  Seems the guy can't do anything without it
being picked to death
.

--Carrie - --part1_42.f1d8cde.278cb300_boundary-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:15:51 -0600 From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? > btw, would you care to expand upon what you said > for project aristotle? would love to have you > aboard! Eh? project aristotle? > ...but if the difference in skin color is noticed, > then we see some great cultural schism. i don't > buy it. any 'wigger' that tries to fit into a > group of black men is usually ostracized by > 'them' because they simply aren't like that > culturally. It would be naive to say that racial segregation, out of whatever motive by whomever responsible, hasn't led to a cultural difference, perhaps schism was too strong of a word. I'm sure that you would agree that white and black culture are certainly different, right? Further, they don't really homogenize or always live in harmony. This creates an obvious voluntary segragation, not along racial lines, but along cultural lines, which happen to coincide with racial identity. > again, forget race, see roles in society. in > some of the rural towns, you still have this > happening in that black people, relatively new to > a region, stick together and see hate because > that's all they've known all their life. to most > people in cities, etc... race is irrelevant if > someone wants to join that echelon in society. i > welcome people into my midst who perform the same > roles as i do. everyone else is irrelevant > unless in dire need. Don't think for a second that big-city folk are more metropolitan or liberal than small-city folk. In fact, in large cities the lines are even more stark. Just look at the demographics of every major city. Post-1950s after the Supreme Court's desegregation ruling in Brown vs. Board of Ed. the polarization has been even greater, leading to the "donut" effect. A run-down city center where the disinfranchised and poor live (ie Ghetto, inner-city), which usually happen to be minorities like blacks, mexicans, etc... which is surrounded by mediam to upper-class suburbs, those who can afford to leave the poorer, usually crime-ridden areas of the city, which usually happen to be white. Again though, this falls under the category of a cultural difference which just happen to coincide with racial differences. > race is such a silly concept since it deals with > a physical attribute of skin color. silly. Though I agree that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the real world. There are differences, differences in perception which translates to reality in the way people act toward each other. > one culture with subtle difference eventually. > we are in the midst of an assimilation process in > the world, as new cultures are branching out to > one another Careful what you say, the liberal activists may get the wind of their latest buzz-word "globalization" and beat you with their banners. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:50:22 EST From: Caetano78@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? - --part1_a.744903c.278cb76e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/2001 1:32:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bijou75@aol.com writes: > at one of the three concerts i went to, he explained that he was writing about being up at 5 in the morning walking on the lower east side area of NYC and being real cold and gloomy and going out by some bridge over there and seeing all the "little Asian people" practicing Tai Chi and he thought it was amazing or something..Elie - --part1_a.744903c.278cb76e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/2001 1:32:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bijou75@aol.com
writes:


i heard it's all about an experience he had in London...go figure...

at one of the three concerts i went to, he explained that he was writing
about being up at 5 in the morning walking on the lower east side area of NYC
and being real cold and gloomy and going out by some bridge over there and
seeing all the "little Asian people" practicing Tai Chi and he thought it was
amazing or something..Elie
- --part1_a.744903c.278cb76e_boundary-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:51:36 -0000 From: "jessica diane" Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist? >From: Bijou75@aol.com >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (mobility) "South side" racist? >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:22:04 EST > >I don't mean to stir things up or create an issue out of nothing, but >earlier >it occurred to me that some people may see the "South side" video as >racist. >Now, I suspect those are probably the same people who go around looking for >excuses to be offended, but still.. I thought it might be worthy of >addressing. > >I don't think the video is at all bigoted, because to me it ridicules the >excesses and posing common to both rap and rock. The song itself is a >little >more questionable.. is it meant to portray the tragic plight of inner-city >youth, or is it a parody of white boys who wanna be gangstas? > >If we interpret it as a serious song, then what if its perspective were >reversed and it featured a gangsta rapping about going to the country club? >At first that might give one pause, but then again, there are plenty of >rappers out there who seem incapable of writing a song about anything other >than the "bling-bling." Which brings us back to the point (I think) the >video was trying to make. > >Conversely, if we see it as a parody of white boy wanna-bes, then consider >if >the narrator were a black man rapping about black guys trying to be white. >Been done many times, perhaps most notably by Public Enemy. > >Either way, I don't see anything wrong. I think the true root of the >problem >lies with a society that disapproves of members of one race subscribing to >the culture of another, or really, that seeks to differentiate cultures by >race in the first place. > >This is all probably much ado about nothing, and just another indication >that >I have far too much time on my hands. But I thought I'd run it by you guys >and see what you thought. Although I think no harm was intended with >either >the song or the video, to me it seemed a more legitimate concern than the >possibility that Moby's sampling of African American folk music is racist, >an >issue he addressed in an update on moby-online.com, and which really to me >seemed to come out of left field. I hesitate to bring this up at all, >though, because I don't wanna start a flame war. Just remember, often >there's no clear right or wrong, just various shades of gray. > >--Carrie I feel that the song was not meant for such in depth soul searching. To me, it simply makes joke at the point that most towns have a south side that is a liitle more dangerous than the other parts of town. If we make it a black and white thing- thats being racist. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:39:25 -0500 From: Tim Ellorin Subject: RE: (mobility) "South side" racist? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A73.DFA8F5D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm glad to see I'm not the only analytical one on the list, but at the same time, I pity poor Moby. Seems the guy can't do anything without it being picked to death RIGHT!!! Although I have not seen the video. But geeze, nobody wants to give the guy a break. Anyway, Southside happens to be one of my favorite tracks off of the Play album. My favorite track off of the Play album is WDMHFSB, then Everloving, then Porcelain, Southside. And then my favorite Moby song of all time is Living. I can listen to this song over and over and over...until the cows come home. It has such a melancholy overtone throughout most of the song until the end where it seems to be almost overwhelming with feeling, like this building of emotion until it seems it is going to burst. I listen to this song and I am reminded of the line in "American Beauty" "Sometimes there's so much beauty I feel like I can't take it, like my heart's going to cave in." I tend to like more of Moby's slower racist music. =^) Tim - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A73.DFA8F5D6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

I'm glad to see I'm not the only analytical one on the list, but at the
same time, I pity poor Moby.  Seems the guy can't do anything without it
being picked to death 
 
RIGHT!!!  Although I have not seen the video.  But geeze, nobody wants to give the guy a break.   Anyway, Southside happens to be one of my favorite tracks off of the Play album.  My favorite track off of the Play album is WDMHFSB, then Everloving, then Porcelain, Southside.  And then my favorite Moby song of all time is Living.  I can listen to this song over and over and over...until the cows come home.  It has such a melancholy overtone throughout most of the song until the end where it seems to be almost overwhelming with feeling, like this building of emotion until it seems it is going to burst.  I listen to this song and I am reminded of the line in "American Beauty" "Sometimes there's so much beauty I feel like I can't take it, like my heart's going to cave in."  I tend to like more of Moby's slower racist music.  =^)
 
Tim
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