From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #507 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Monday, January 22 2001 Volume 04 : Number 507 Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate RE: (mobility)DEE JAY Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate RE: (mobility) OT kinda debate Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: MiCk jONez Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate ...what a DJ? - --- Martin James wrote: > The question is: > > Should DJ's be considered musicians? > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally considered > to have started around > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past its > sell by date now? > > The problem I have with thi question is that it > seems to imply that one is > in some way superior to the other. I know great > musicians who can't DJ, > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had some of > the best nights in my > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. Similarly > I've been to gigs which > have literally changed life. To me the two are > synonymous with each other. > Different skills. Equally worthy. > > So tell me... should someone who can't play a note > but understands how to > sample someone else's records be called a musician > or a DJ? Or does it > really matter anymore. > > Here's another question: would Moby's music sound > the way it does if he had > never been a DJ? > > Martin > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:30:44 -0500 From: Tim Ellorin Subject: RE: (mobility)DEE JAY > ...I agree that it is boring when someone covers a > song and it sounds virtually the same, but it is not > theft. They (usually) have permission to cover it and > can do whatever they want with it. This is not theft, > just lack of creativity. > =) True. If I were a musician and someone wanted permission to cover my song I would want a stipulation made to say that they would have to make it noticeably different than the original. But, I know sometimes the artist has no say what the record company does with the rights to their music. I also would not like my song to be turned into Muzak. I think that is one of the worst things that can happen to someone's song. Aside from having Roseanne sing it. Tim - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:34:08 -0800 (PST) From: MiCk jONez Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate artform...musician artform...musician - --- Chris Adams wrote: > > what about mixing. you cant' do it dude. anyone > can put a needle on a > record, but who is there to search the friggin > planet for that one records > that will mix for 2 min. with the other record, but > only if you cut the > snare at the right time and drop the bassline just a > little delayed to the > mids.. Come on guys, when you can do it, then nock > it. It's as much an > artform as anything. What about skydiving, artform? > Anyone can fall out of > a plain, like anyone can play a record. But who can > soar throught he > atmosphere and feel the breath of God with more > intesity than a truly > skilled skydiver. Maybe only a DJ.... > > >From: "Tyler Holt" > >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com > >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate > >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:51:21 -0700 > > > >i agree. i don't think that spinning records > qualifies someone as a > >musician. > > > >peace > >tyler > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >------------- > >To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > >with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey". Eric The Red On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST), mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > ...what a DJ? > > --- Martin James > wrote: > > The question is: > > > > Should DJ's be considered musicians? > > > > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally considered > > to have started around > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past its > > sell by date now? > > > > The problem I have with thi question is that it > > seems to imply that one is > > in some way superior to the other. I know great > > musicians who can't DJ, > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had some of > > the best nights in my > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. Similarly > > I've been to gigs which > > have literally changed life. To me the two are > > synonymous with each other. > > Different skills. Equally worthy. > > > > So tell me... should someone who can't play a note > > but understands how to > > sample someone else's records be called a musician > > or a DJ? Or does it > > really matter anymore. > > > > Here's another question: would Moby's music sound > > the way it does if he had > > never been a DJ? > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. "It's not easy being green" _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: MiCk jONez Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate ...have any of you heard of an artist that goes by "Gyrate" (Kimball Collins)?? - --- Chris Adams wrote: > > > > > >Hey YO...take away a guitarists guitar and there is > not much he can do with > >his bare hands, right.? > Djing, is easy, in theory. Are some dj's better > than others, hence a > higher skill level. ?? > > Bye, chris a > > > > >Hey all- > > Very interesting question- I know I will be > attacked. So be it. > > > >I would most certainly not classify a DJ as a > musician. Take away the > >records and there isn't a whole lot they can do > with their coffins alone. > >On the other hand, say they run an 808, 303, 606, > etc... then there is some > >chance for a truly original song or beat to be > born. But that's as close as > >it gets. > > > >As I was raised to play classical music on several > intsruments, I was lucky > >enough to learn "how to drop the one and twos" in > college from a friend of > >mine. DJing tickles a different part of your brain > than playing the piano, > >guitar, sax, etc. I would also venture to say that > it is picked up alot > >more easily, due to being devoid of theory. > > > djs please don't > >hate me > > > > > josef > >------------------- > >Email sent using Anywheremail > (http://mail.graphicbrewer.net/) > > > > > > > >------------- > >To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > >with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:51:37 -0800 (PST) From: MiCk jONez Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate ...it was sarcasm.... - --- Eric wrote: > > DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey". > > Eric The Red > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST), > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > > > ...what a DJ? > > > > --- Martin James > > wrote: > > > The question is: > > > > > > Should DJ's be considered musicians? > > > > > > > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally > considered > > > to have started around > > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past > its > > > sell by date now? > > > > > > The problem I have with thi question is that it > > > seems to imply that one is > > > in some way superior to the other. I know great > > > musicians who can't DJ, > > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had > some of > > > the best nights in my > > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. > Similarly > > > I've been to gigs which > > > have literally changed life. To me the two are > > > synonymous with each other. > > > Different skills. Equally worthy. > > > > > > So tell me... should someone who can't play a > note > > > but understands how to > > > sample someone else's records be called a > musician > > > or a DJ? Or does it > > > really matter anymore. > > > > > > Here's another question: would Moby's music > sound > > > the way it does if he had > > > never been a DJ? > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at > great prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------- > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. > > > "It's not easy being green" > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:44:36 -0500 From: Tim Ellorin Subject: RE: (mobility) OT kinda debate > ...have any of you heard of an artist that goes by > "Gyrate" (Kimball Collins)?? > Kimball Collins is from Orlando. I have heard him spin a few times at different clubs in Orlando. Although as of now I think Dave London is one of the best Dj's to come out of Orlando. Tim - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate So was mine... Eric The Red On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:51:37 -0800 (PST), mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > ...it was sarcasm.... > > --- Eric wrote: > > > > DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey". > > > > Eric The Red > > > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST), > > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > > > > > ...what a DJ? > > > > > > --- Martin James > > > wrote: > > > > The question is: > > > > > > > > Should DJ's be considered musicians? > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally > > considered > > > > to have started around > > > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years past > > its > > > > sell by date now? > > > > > > > > The problem I have with thi question is that it > > > > seems to imply that one is > > > > in some way superior to the other. I know great > > > > musicians who can't DJ, > > > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've had > > some of > > > > the best nights in my > > > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. > > Similarly > > > > I've been to gigs which > > > > have literally changed life. To me the two are > > > > synonymous with each other. > > > > Different skills. Equally worthy. > > > > > > > > So tell me... should someone who can't play a > > note > > > > but understands how to > > > > sample someone else's records be called a > > musician > > > > or a DJ? Or does it > > > > really matter anymore. > > > > > > > > Here's another question: would Moby's music > > sound > > > > the way it does if he had > > > > never been a DJ? > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at > > great prices. > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ------------- > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > majordomo@xmission.com > > > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. > > > > > > "It's not easy being green" > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > > > > > ------------- > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > majordomo@xmission.com > > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. "It's not easy being green" _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:11:20 -0800 From: "Matt Olson" Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate By now, everyone should definitely realize that you can do two things with= Eric (i love him) the Red's e-mails: 1.) Get used to them and ignore them OR 2.) Get used to them and find them funny He doesn't mean any harm. And he's not serious either. He's just a= butthead. ta Matt >....it was sarcasm.... > >--- Eric wrote: >> >> DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk Jockey". >> >> Eric The Red >> - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --George W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: MiCk jONez Subject: Re: (mobility) OT kinda debate ...LOL... =) - --- Eric wrote: > > So was mine... > > Eric The Red > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:51:37 -0800 (PST), > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > > > ...it was sarcasm.... > > > > --- Eric wrote: > > > > > > DJ is an acronym which stands for "Disk > Jockey". > > > > > > Eric The Red > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:39:24 -0800 (PST), > > > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote: > > > > > > > ...what a DJ? > > > > > > > > --- Martin James > > > > > wrote: > > > > > The question is: > > > > > > > > > > Should DJ's be considered musicians? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary dance culture is generally > > > considered > > > > > to have started around > > > > > 1987, surely this debate is about 14 years > past > > > its > > > > > sell by date now? > > > > > > > > > > The problem I have with thi question is > that it > > > > > seems to imply that one is > > > > > in some way superior to the other. I know > great > > > > > musicians who can't DJ, > > > > > great DJs whose own music is shite. I've > had > > > some of > > > > > the best nights in my > > > > > life to a soundtrack provided by a DJ. > > > Similarly > > > > > I've been to gigs which > > > > > have literally changed life. To me the two > are > > > > > synonymous with each other. > > > > > Different skills. Equally worthy. > > > > > > > > > > So tell me... should someone who can't > play a > > > note > > > > > but understands how to > > > > > sample someone else's records be called a > > > musician > > > > > or a DJ? Or does it > > > > > really matter anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Here's another question: would Moby's > music > > > sound > > > > > the way it does if he had > > > > > never been a DJ? > > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at > > > great prices. > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > > majordomo@xmission.com > > > > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the > body. > > > > > > > > > "It's not easy being green" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > > > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > > majordomo@xmission.com > > > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the > body. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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