From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #557 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Thursday, March 29 2001 Volume 04 : Number 557 (mobility) Re: picking on AJ Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ RE: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ (mobility) Some Moby News/Gossip (mobility) finally proof! Re: (mobility) finally proof! Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ (mobility) Remix fans ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:29:17 -0500 From: AJ Miyagi Brustein Subject: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ I agree with everythign that Bart said, but have more to say. This kind of stuff happens to everyone with everything. People who used to love wraps (the sandwichy food) 10 years ago, people who used to shop in Abercrombie and Fitch (5 years ago), people who lived in silicon valley 15 years ago.... The list of examples ca nbe broght from anywwhere, but it happens all the time. As for me, it was almost like a game. I could listen to Moby and then I could tell me friends about him. I could go to a club or watch a movie or something and every so often Moby (or something like him) would come on and I would listen and kinda feel good if it was Moby. (People would talk of a Moby spotting on M2 at like 3 in the morning). I would go CD shopping and ignore stores like TOWER and HMV (for the simple reason they didn't have Moby - the techno section comprised of crapy house compilations) and look for the hidden away stores that might have something. I could do a search on eBay and get 45 results instead of 600 (which meant none of these crap like now - "neatly ripped out ad with Moby from Rolling Stone" type stuff). I could check my email, get something from mobility but something that I was actually interested in reading. We used to talk about Moby and how it would be so awesome if he got famous so everyone could know him. I guess I should be careful what I wish for, because I never imagined it like this. And Moby was NEVER popular like this in the UK. There are plenty of bands on the charts in America that no one has ever heard of Anyway, the point is that while Moby (like Wraps and Abercrombie and fitch) may not have changed, everythign around him has. I never did recommend Play even when it first came out in99 and Moby was popular because I didn't really like the album. But now that everywhere is Play overload it kinda of detracts from all his other great stuff (for me anyway). Maybe I would've been more happy if he got famous off of ETW or something like that, but I don't know. Anyway, I wanted to Thank Bart for his other mail to me, and I will think about my CDs, plus I realized that all the jewel cases are in Baltimroe and I am in Boston so I woudn't be able to sell the CDs until May anyway.... Oh well. Later. AJ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:47:17 -0600 From: Christopher Michael Bourke Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ Enjoyed your laundry list, man... > people who used to shop in > Abercrombie and Fitch (5 years ago), people who lived in silicon valley > 15 years ago.... The list of examples ca nbe broght from anywwhere, but > it happens all the time. Jesus, *5* years ago? I don't know where you're from, but here in the Midwest A&F is still as strong as ever. That's the thing about where I'm from, styles tend to get here a little later and are absorbed at a slower pace, which means they tend to stay longer too. EVEN I have an A&F Tshirt. I bought a plain white, $6 Tshirt from a discount store and wrote Abercrombie and Fitch on it with black magic marker. I have no idea why I get so many stares. Actually if you want to imagine what my state is like (Nebraska), imagine antarctica (in the winter at least), add some buildings and populate it with 1.3 million boring, ugly, fat people that have a taste for country music and line dancing, and that's pretty much it. You can categorize everyone in one basic category: All the guys are "A&F" people and all the girls are Dixie Chicks. You probably understand the type of person that wears A&F already, but for those not in the know, "Dixie Chick" would best be described as a person trying to be pop but still loves their country. God I need to graduate soon. > As for me, it was almost like a game. I could listen to Moby and then I ... And Moby was > NEVER popular like this in the UK. There are plenty of bands on the > charts in America that no one has ever heard of Here here. I've lost that loving feeling too, however don't worry. I am almost 90% sure that, like all mass marketed things, this is just a fad. People will move on and it may go back to like it was. Even if it doesn't and we never have such enjoyment like that again, there is no reason to stop liking his other stuff is there? You fell in love with his music because it was good on its own merits, not because you thought you found an unknown little jem and by liking it you would become a member of a secret society of Moby lovers; or if you did then you liked his music for the wrong reasons. Chill out, stop listening to his albums for a while, and come back to him some time with a renewed sense of fan-love. Chris PS. if you do end up selling them, I would be interested in EIW:M&R. CD#2 was stolen by a bunch of micks that I was staying with at my dorm in Japan. Fucking bastards. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:37:40 -0800 From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ > Now bringing this back to Moby. I think Moby really wasn't > as mainstream with Go as with singles from Play. My whole take on the thing is this: I wish EVERY single one of the artists I love and collect would make it big. It would be great to be able to turn on the radio and hear nothing but music *I* like. It would be great to know that the artists I respect are making millions for their music (as opposed to artists I don't enjoy so much). The only downside I see to becoming mainstream and popular is how the concerts will be affected. Most of the people might not be die hards.. there will be too many people and you might need binoculars to see the stage.. etc. I believe Moby will die down big time and he will be our little secret once again years from now. But who knows... - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:28:56 -0500 From: "Mike A7" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ Bart van Eijck wrote: > Moby always used to be one of the popular 'underground' artists. With this I > mean artists that make > hitsingles but also put out weird stuff under different names etc. Artists > that have both hit potential > and musical credibility. Other examples of these artists are Leftfield, > Kosheen, Faithless, Air etc. > (just naming the electronic ones) > I think this all is about feeling special, if you're a collector of anything > you will understand. It's nice to have > a small community of people who share the same (exclusive) interest. Bart, I can see where you're coming from. Right or wrong I often have those types of feelings about artists I like too. As you know I am a HUGE Faithless/Rollo fan and I thought it was cool you mentioned them here. Being in the US, Faithless is not known well here at all other than by their small group of fans here and dance music fans who know their club hits like "Insomnia". They are much bigger in the UK and Europe and I like it that way. I love being a fan of a great group few know about here. It makes it easier to get really cool collectible stuff of theirs here, and it makes the connection with other fans all the more special because you know what others are missing out on. Now connect that to Dido. I have known of Dido from her days signing with Rollo on Faithless and other Cheeky projects. So when her solo CD came out I bought it the DAY of release, being a Rollo produced CD it was exciting to have a new CD from a member of the Cheeky family. I saw Dido play in front of a few hundred people in a tiny club in Pontiac, Michigan, got to meet her, etc right after the CD came out. It was cool knowing of this great CD better than the Jewels, Sarah McClachlan and other female singers clogging up American radio. I always figured Dido would hit it big here, didn't understand why it took so long but she has made up for lost time. She's now huge here and it aggravates me to be on a Dido list and see people post stuff like "Hey I came across a new Dido track on Napster called "Flowerstand Man", does anyone know what this is from? A new track? B-Side?". I just laugh at stuff like this from the "I love Dido, I first heard of her from Eminem" crowd. I guess it shouldn't bug me but it does. I've tried to hip the Dido list a few times to her work with Faithless but other than the people who already knew, not many seem to give a shit. Their loss. All I know is Dido is going to be on Faithless' new CD due in June and I worry a bit that the "Dido crowd" will jump on that CD but then again I'd like to see Faithless have more popularity and recognition in the US. But I don't won't it to come on the back of Dido's popularity, frankly I think Rollo is more talented than his sister overall anyways. All of this babbling is a way to say I can understand where you're coming from. I can understand how people can see it as being "elitist" but I can see both sides to the story. MikeA - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:17:56 -0800 From: "Matt Olson" Subject: (mobility) Some Moby News/Gossip http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=3D/RP/ALLSTAR/misstruth.html - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --G.W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:03:10 +0200 From: "Bart van Eijck" Subject: (mobility) finally proof! Yes, it's true, just follow the link: http://moby.isgay.com/ (Tip: try other names and then .isgay.com :) Bart - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:09:12 EST From: Sharmi23@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) finally proof! - --part1_d4.437a393.27f25b78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAHA I put my name in there. Sharmila - --part1_d4.437a393.27f25b78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAHA
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Sharmila - --part1_d4.437a393.27f25b78_boundary-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:34:39 +0100 From: martinjames Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ on 23/3/01 20:40, Bart van Eijck at j.vaneyck@chello.nl wrote: Never meant to pick on AJ. Just find it hard understanding his perspective. A few comments on your thoughts: > Moby always used to be one of the popular 'underground' artists. With this I > mean artists that make > hitsingles but also put out weird stuff under different names etc. Artists > that have both hit potential > and musical credibility. Other examples of these artists are Leftfield, > Kosheen, Faithless, Air etc. > (just naming the electronic ones) Again, this is all from a UK perspective. I think the main difference between Moby and these other artists you mention (fine as they all are), is that none of them launched their UK (and European) careers with a huge hit single supported by daytime radio (unheard of at the time for good music to be played during the waking hours). I think the only UK comparison to Moby would be with Prodigy, who also released a low key single before hitting the higher echelons of the chart with their second release. > > I don't know what exactly happened to make me feel Moby is no longer one of > them, perhaps it's the > over-promotion by V2 over the last year, perhaps it's the re-release of > WDMHFSB? by Mute, or just me > being in my "I hate the world and everything is wrong" phase, I don't > know... But if it is just me, then why > are more people having this feelings? Yeah, I've felt like the Play horse has been flogged to within an inch of its life. > > In a capitalistic society like the one we live in, exclusiveness means > status means coolness. OK, but that's my argument, Moby was never truly exclusive. In fact I think his entire musical motivation has been to be inclusive, which is why he's never gone too experimental - not even the alt.quiet mix of Hymn compares to say Oval, or Mouse on Mars for being experimental. > > Now bringing this back to Moby. I think Moby really wasn't as mainstream > with Go as with singles from Play. > Go, at the time was only loved by people from 18-28 whereas Play does well > in all age cathegories. > If I would ask a 45 year old person if they knew the artist Moby in 1991, I > would probably get the same > answer as if I were to ask my mom who Faithless is now. And Faithless is > well known in a certain age > group, but is not considered to be the mainstream act like the Vengaboys. > I'm not saying that people of > a certain age can't like Moby, it's just an example of how there was still > exclusiveness (coolness, if you want) > about his older work, and that now you can't really describe the "Moby fan" > any more, it's not a type of people, > a group any more. For all you know, the pope could be a huge Moby fan. I think the biggest hole in your argument here is that many of the people who discovered Moby when they were raving ten years ago are now ten years older:) Moby is too. That comment is not as stupid as it seems as Moby naturally makes music for his age peers. I was 28 when 'Go' cam, out and I've stuck with him.. we've both grown up together. So the gratifying thing for me now is when I hear that someone younger also digs Play, and has subsequently discovered those so-called 'cool' Moby records. And if a 45 year old says they like Moby too, I tend to assume they were ravers back in the day. Incidentally, Faithless also have an older fan base in Europe. Sure they have huge pop hits (one the biggest acts in Germany), but their albums sell to the 24-40 age group. Oh and I do hope the Pop is a Moby fan. That's an image I'd like to keep when having anxiety attacks about why I've had my daughter christened a catholic I think we differ on our what we consider to be small groups. Of the groups you mention above only Kosheen have yet to hit the big time in terms of sales, yet in drum'n'bass circles they are considered to be pretty mainstream. But I do understand that sense of loss that you feel when an artist becomes a household name. To illustrate I'll tell you a story about Air (one of your suggested cool bands). A few years ago I wrote the first UK article about the French scene. As a result I met, and interviewed all of the main players a number of times. During one of my early visits I was given a demo tape by Air. I passed that tape on. They signed to MoWax. Then Virgin. I've subsequently interviewed them with every new release. I really felt like they were my discovery. Then they released 'Moon Safari' and everyone was into them. Suddenly I had to share my secret with people I didn't like, as well as those I love. But... the music is still stunning, I still love what they do. I'm just not a part of a secret elite anymore. Which is liberating really. OK, I'm tired now See ya Martin - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:16 From: "Robert Taylor" Subject: (mobility) Remix fans If only we had something like this for Moby. This is an amazing site with over 600 remixes. Maybe someday. Bjork Remix Web - homemade remixes site for Bjork fans http://www.arktikos.com/bjork/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V4 #557 ****************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.