From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #630 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Friday, September 14 2001 Volume 04 : Number 630 Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... (mobility) Re: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... Re: (mobility) Re: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... (mobility) Falwell & Robertson blame gays and liberals for WTC attack (mobility) Letter from Tamim Ansary ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:50:33 -0400 From: Mike A Subject: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... Sharmi23@aol.com wrote: > > Where do you live? > The very foundations of America is to live a peaceful life and not be > afraid of terrorist acts on our own soil. I am always thankful that I > live in a country such as this. A lot of refugees come from many > countries to live a peaceful life. The US has hurt many countries and > has helped many countries but as for all of those people that cheered > and believe that this was an attack that was a deserved attack and > they live here....well they should pack up there bags and go somewhere > where they will be more happy. Sharmi, AMEN. If ANYBODY that is here IN THIS COUNTRY living cheers or approves of this attack, they don't need to pack their bags, they need to be immediately sent out of here, no time to pack the bags. Just get the fuck out and go live where you would be happier as you say. Locally, any word on how things are going, especially in Dearborn. There are many GOOD people in this country of Arab descent, the last thing I want to see is ignorant people attacking other AMERICANS because that's what they are no matter their ethinic background, religious belief etc. Unfortunately these people don't see that. Already hearing of attacks around the country, this is the last thing we need. MikeA - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Logue Subject: (mobility) Re: I don't speak too much, but I thought I'd respond to this. I live in NYC. My boyfriend was to work on the 83rd flr of the South Tower Tues. He was 2 ft. from the North Tower when the first plane hit. He took cover in the South Tower. When chaos erupted in the lobby, he ran back to the plaza where he saw smoke and fire from what he has thought was a missile. He turned screaming, running, as debris fell and never looked back. He was underground in the subway when the second plane hit. With the ground shaking, he emerged from the subway and proceeded to run to 14th street and got on a train and bus to Queens. I saw the news at 9:30, footage of the second plane hitting the building over and over and I thought for sure he was dead. Luckily he called 15 min later. He was very lucky. Point is, I feel, they tried to kill my boyfriend, who is kind, and funny, and djs, and rides bikes and skateboards. He holds no political significance. He's an innocent man. If the attack had been 5 min. later, no question he'd be dead. And this is the 2nd time the WTC has been attacked. It was bombed in 1993. They picked the biggest civilian target in the country at a time when they knew it would be packed with 50,000 innocent, unassuming people. I frantically tried to find friends, I had to hitchike to get to my boyfriend who was hiding out in the basement of his sister's house. Yes our military has killed innocent people, but to my knowledge we have never tried to deliberately single out a civilian target, the largest in a country and cowardly destroy it and run away. I have smoke coming through my windows as a constant reminder of damage and death a few miles away. As for America being hated, and us doing this to ourselves by being free and flaunting our joy in these freedoms, I find that hilarious. Maybe you should teach me how to be more appreciative in the eyes of God. Is God punishing me? Is this the message PNK is trying to get across? I'm an RN, I work my ass off on a 12 hr nightshift at a busy NY ICU for some unappreciative patients and I try not to let it get to me because I love what I do, and I love helping people, but to believe that because I'm a freedome loving American so we did this to ourselves is utterly ridiculous. I'm sorry I'm so angry, but NYC is chaotic at present and although I would never take my anger out on an American, any kind of american, I need to vent my anger. So I guess I just did. Thanks. Anyone who has friends/family missing, you're in my heart and prayers. d - --- Pablo De La Cruz wrote: > i've been a member of this list for a while, but > haven't felt a great need > to write until being inundated by images, opinions > and reactions so strong > that being a continent away, i live in tucson, it > feels almost as though the > planes hit here, too. the reactions of amerikkkans > are scaring me to no > end. driving to work this morning i passed a mosque > being guarded by > police. at the university here, students from the > middle east were being > literally attacked by other students. i understand > everyone is angry. it > scares me that people are so ready to attack > INNOCENT people without any > actual leads as to who the terrorists were. this is > not the second pearl > harbor, this is the first wtc attack, which has much > higher casualties and > ramifications attached. the attitude of americans > reminds me of what led to > the japanese interment camps that were located here > in the southwest. it > reminds me also of the oklahoma bombing that was > executed by 'americans.' i > don't have a great sense of patriotism, as the us > has executed hundreds upon > hundreds of acts just like what happened in nyc on > many other countries; our > terrorism is called political and military strategy. > but i do have great > sadness and fears as to what this may lead to, > especially considering the > vengeful and militant attitude that seems to be > rampant in our country. i > hope and pray that the culprits are brought to > justice without the death of > hundreds of other people. i'm scared. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:31:57 EDT From: Sharmi23@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... - --part1_f6.f51777f.28d2f04d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeA, You asked if anything is going on locally in dearborn. On tuesday there were a few marches and small riots and michigan ave was shut down for a few hours. A lot of them were due to religion but I think a lot of people in dearborn and around the metro area that are very scared of racist actions. I think that this is why what happened in dearborn wasn't televised too much. The islam mosque right by wayne state was vandalized. Actually when I was walking home from class there wwer fox 2 news trucks and a camera man and i asked the camera man what he was doing there and he said that someone broke 2 windows in the islam center. At first i didn't really understand what he was saying and then I saw it. People are being targeted. Sharmila On another note...there is a database of female DJs, producers and artists to create profiles for networking. it's www.femalepressure.net - --part1_f6.f51777f.28d2f04d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
MikeA,

You asked if anything is going on locally in dearborn.  On tuesday there were a few marches and small riots and michigan ave was shut down for a few hours.  A lot of them were due to religion but I think a lot of people in dearborn and around the metro area that are very scared of racist actions. I think that this is why what happened in dearborn wasn't televised too much. The islam mosque right by wayne state was vandalized.  Actually when I was walking home from class there wwer  fox 2 news trucks and a camera man and i asked the camera man what he was doing there and he said that someone broke 2 windows in the islam center.  At first i didn't really understand what he was saying and then I saw it.  People are being targeted.

Sharmila

On another note...there is a database of female DJs, producers and artists to create profiles for networking.  it's www.femalepressure.net
- --part1_f6.f51777f.28d2f04d_boundary-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:30:31 +0200 From: Sandra@fcl.it (Sandra Casadei, FCL) Subject: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... >well they should pack up there bags and go somewhere where they >will be more happy easy to say, but not so obviuos to do. please everyone, just don't overwhelm this mailing list with cheap rethoric... and spread more love - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:41:01 +0100 From: martinjames Subject: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... If any body reading this list from new york knows the whereabouts of tim scott, who is cevin fisher's manager , could they please e-mail me, or his PR Helen@helenstreetpr.demon.co.uk. Or cevin's label in the UK Daniel@subversiverecords.co.uk His office was in the world trade center. thanks martin ps please forward this to anyone who you think might know (DJs etc) - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:34:39 From: "Pablo De La Cruz" Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: when i wrote that post i was not considering the fact that although things are crazy here, things in nyc are more chaotic than i can conceive. although i do not entirely agree with all that you said, your points are very valid and my intent was to state my perspective. what i did not realize was that my political opinions at this time are infinitely less important than dealing with this tragedy on emotional and supportive levels, as moby wrote in his posts on moby-online. i will not discuss my views on the politics surrounding this tragedy until there has been time for a lot more healing. i offer my apologies for having offended anyone. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:17:53 EDT From: Sharmi23@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Words can't explain... I'm really sorry if what I said sounded rude and I don't mean to say horrible things like that. I really apologise to anybody that was offended by what I said. It is just strange to me that a lot of people that are around me have said in the past and I mean a few years ago that America should be bombed. There are quite a few people that say that and I understnad that they are exercising their freedom of speech. Fear just brought out another side of me i guess. Once again I apologise for anybody that I have offended by what I said.-S In a message dated Fri, 14 Sep 2001 6:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Sandra@fcl.it (Sandra Casadei, FCL) writes: > >well they should pack up there bags and go somewhere where they > >will be more happy > > easy to say, but not so obviuos to do. > please everyone, just don't overwhelm this mailing list with cheap rethoric... and spread more love > > ------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com > with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Caviness Subject: (mobility) Falwell & Robertson blame gays and liberals for WTC attack Is this not one of the most horrible, unchristian assertions you've ever heard? Sometimes I wonder what the difference is between some of the more fundamentalist followers of Christ and the followers of the Islamic Jihad. http://www.washblade.com/national/010913b.htm Falwell blames gays, liberal groups for terrorist attacks Anti-gay advocate makes remarks on ‘700 Club’ broadcast; Robertson nods approval by Lou Chibbaro Jr. Washington Blade © 2001, Window Media LLC WASHINGTON, Thursday, Sept. 13 - The Rev. Jerry Falwell said gays, feminists, "pagans," and a host of liberal advocacy groups have made "God mad" and must share the blame for the terrorist attacks this week that took the lives of thousands of Americans at the World Trade Center in New York and at the Pentagon outside Washington. Falwell made his remarks Thursday, Sept. 13, while appearing on the religious television program The 700 Club, hosted by the Rev. Pat Robertson. Falwell and Robertson are among the nation’s strongest opponents of gay civil rights. "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen,’" Falwell said on the program, which was broadcast nationally. "Well, I totally concur," Robertson told Falwell, "and the problem is we have adopted their agenda at the highest levels of our government." The comments by Falwell and Robertson came at a time when gay activists have joined leading Republicans and Democrats in calling for national unity and full, bipartisan support for President Bush’s planned response to the terrorist attacks. "The terrible tragedy that has befallen our nation, and indeed the entire global community, is the sad byproduct of fanaticism," said Lorri L. Jean, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. "It has its roots in the same fanaticism that enables people like Jerry Falwell to preach hate against those who do not think, live, or love in the exact same way he does," Jean said. "The tragedies that have occurred this week did not occur because someone made God mad, as Mr. Falwell asserts," Jean continued, in a statement released Sept. 13. "They occurred because of hate, pure and simple." In separate statements released this week, the national gay groups Log Cabin Republicans and National Stonewall Democrats condemned the terrorist attacks and declared their support for President Bush’s efforts to respond to the incidents. "Gay and Lesbian Americans across the nation are united today," said Log Cabin executive director Rich Tafel. "In the face of defending our nation together, all differences fall away, and all other issues pale in comparison." "This week’s tragedy truly asks all of us to come together as a people to bury our dead, to comfort and heal all families and to rebuild this strong nation," the National Stonewall Democrats said in a statement. "Stonewall Democrats join in solidarity with all Americans in placing our loyal support behind our national government and our president." The group added, "Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered Americans also have paid with their lives and their honor, and we join in saluting their sacrifices and those of every American who suffered these terrible, senseless events." "Now is the time to join together behind our president and our government in defense of our nation," said Tafel of the Log Cabin group. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail The Washington Blade Copyright © 2001 The Washington Blade Inc. This article appeared online: September 13, 2001 ===== Bradley S. Caviness, Bigwig Bigwig Enterprises http://www.bigwigenterprises.com "We're all writing everyday with our lives, whether or not we ever pick up a pen." – Linford Detweiler, Over the Rhine __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Arcya Self Subject: (mobility) Letter from Tamim Ansary From moby-online.com: - ------------------------------------------------------ This letter was forwarded to me. It's from an Afghanistani man who lives here in the U.S. In my opinion it's worth reading. -Moby Dear Friends, I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's been going on over there. So I want to share a few thoughts with anyone who will listen. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I fervently wish to see those monsters punished. But the Taliban and Bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who captured Afghanistan in 1997 and have been holding the country in bondage ever since. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a master plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would love for someone to eliminate the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. I guarantee it. Some say, if that's the case, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban themselves? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, damaged, and incapacitated. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan-a country with no economy, no food. Millions of Afghans are widows of the approximately two million men killed during the war with the Soviets. And the Taliban has been executing these women for being women and has buried some of their opponents alive in mass graves. The soil of Afghanistan is littered with land mines and almost all the farms have been destroyed . The Afghan people have tried to overthrow the Taliban. They haven't been able to. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble with that scheme is, it's already been done. The Soviets took care of it. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? There is no infrastructure. Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only land in the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. (They have already, I hear.) Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would be making common cause with the Taliban-by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. I don't have a solution. But I do believe that suffering and poverty are the soil in which terrorism grows. Bin Laden and his cohorts want to bait us into creating more such soil, so they and their kind can flourish. We can't let him do that. That's my humble opinion. Tamim Ansary - ------------------------------------------------------- From Reuters: Taliban Warn of Revenge if U.S. Attacks Afghanistan http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010914/ts/attack_afghan_dc_2.html Photo: http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010914/ts/mdf52390.html Love&prayers, Gabriele __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? 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