From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest) To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: movies-digest V2 #191 Reply-To: movies-digest Sender: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk movies-digest Thursday, May 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 191 Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply [MV] undeliverable response RE: [MV] undeliverable response Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD [MV] Star Wars: What's on the editing room floor? RE: [MV] undeliverable response RE: [MV] undeliverable response Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply RE: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply RE: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? RE: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply RE: [MV] Star Wars on DVD Re: [MV] Star Wars (****MAJOR SPOILERS****) Re: [MV] Star Wars: What's on the editing room floor? RE: [MV] Star Wars (****MAJOR SPOILERS****) [MV] The Movie Report#192, 5/20/99 RE: [MV] Star Wars on DVD [MV] Star Wars Opening Day ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:40:06 -0700 From: Oz Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD Tim Stubbs wrote: > >Not until the first three are complete, then he will release them all on DVD > This sounds realistic. I don't think so. I'd like to know how many people seriously think DVD will still be the format of choice by the time Episode three has had it's run in theatres. MiniDisc? Internet movies? Video on Demand? DIVX? You just kinda know that someone is going to come up with something new in the next few years to make everyone ditch their DVD players, a la Laserdisc. ----------------- {{{OZ}}} ------------------- ------- http://www.filmink-online.com -------- ---------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Want to earn money on your website? How does 17c a click sound? - ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.valueclick.com/cgi-bin/refer_host_signup?host=h0032965 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:22:02 -0600 From: cHriS Subject: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? Toffee mused: "Anyone else figure the series is really Darth Vader's story, not Obi's, Luke's, or anyone else?" Well, officially I think it's supposed to be Annikan/Vader's tale, but I think this whole saga revolves around...R2! Think about it: when all is said and done and the Star Wars saga finally finishes, who's the only character who will have been there for the whole ride? R2! He was there in Star Wars, delivering Leia's "only hope" message that united Luke and Obiwan; he was there in the X-wing that blew up the first Death Star; he was there with Yoda and Luke for the Jedi training; he was there in the Millennium Falcon, fixing the hyperdrive in the escape from Cloud City; he was there as part of the rescue team that infiltrated Jabba's underworld to save Han; he was there on Endor, opening doors to Imperial bunkers while under heavy gunfire. He's been shot by Jawas, shot by TIE fighters, eaten (and spit out) by Dagobah swamp monsters, shot by storm troopers, and even forced into bartender slavery serving drinks on the sand barge to Jabba's goons! And those are just examples from the previous films; due to SPOILER potentential, I won't go into what R2 does to merit heroic status from the Queen (and in the first hour, nonetheless!) in EPISODE 1. Yeah, this whole saga may be about Vader, but R2's the true hero. Prove me wrong! - - cHriS [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:41:40 -0700 From: "Bruce Bridges" Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply I agree. I don't know the release schedule but I would expect the third = episode to not be in the theatres sooner that 6-7 years from now. Lucas = has been very clever and coy in his releases of the original series. for = instance, a year before the remastered and enhanced versions were released = they put the original series on sale with the announcement that it was the = last time it would be available. =20 I won't be surprised if Lucas and Fox don't have some similar creative = strategy up their sleeves. =20 Of course it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. =20 bb >>> Oz - 5/20/99 5:40 PM >>> Tim Stubbs wrote: > >Not until the first three are complete, then he will release them all = on DVD > This sounds realistic. I don't think so. I'd like to know how many people seriously think DVD will still be the format of choice by the time Episode three has had it's run in theatres. MiniDisc? Internet movies? Video on Demand? DIVX? You just kinda know that someone is going to come up with something new in the next few years to make everyone ditch their DVD players, a la Laserdisc. ----------------- {{{OZ}}} ------------------- ------- http://www.filmink-online.com -------- ---------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Want to earn money on your website? How does 17c a click sound? - ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.valueclick.com/cgi-bin/refer_host_signup?host=3Dh0032965 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:22:52 -0700 From: "Bruce Bridges" Subject: [MV] undeliverable response To whom it may concern, I have been getting Undeliverable messages wehn I send anything to the = list and it says the problem is with the address "vortexlst13@VORTEXPHIL.TZ= O.COM" Is this just a problem with me or anybody else? Thanks, bb [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:24:02 -0600 From: jkrudy Subject: RE: [MV] undeliverable response I'm getting those also. It still sends the message that I send, but then it sends back that error. James K. Rudy - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Bridges [mailto:Bruce@ffww.com] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 10:23 AM To: movies@lists.xmission.com Subject: [MV] undeliverable response To whom it may concern, I have been getting Undeliverable messages wehn I send anything to the list and it says the problem is with the address "vortexlst13@VORTEXPHIL.TZO.COM" Is this just a problem with me or anybody else? Thanks, bb [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:27:01 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD At 07.53 AM 20/05/99 +0100, Tim Stubbs wrote: >Anyone else figure the series is really Darth Vader's story, not Obi's, >Luke's, or anyone else? Actually, the original idea was for the central characters to be the robots, C-3PO and R2-D2. When Lucas planned for nine movies (three trilogies), they were the only characters in all of them. However, since he has dropped plans for making the final trilogy, perhaps that has changed. There were even rumours that the droids wouldn't even be in the first movie, but of course... well, if you've seen it, you know what happens:-) There is some question about who's story this actually is. However, I feel it is unfair to look too deeply into this until everyone has had a chance to see the movie. Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty Please support the endeavour of a friend and fellow Australian. Political Corrections by Michael Jaymes Cassidy http://www.angelfire.com/ma/politicalmusings ____________________________________________ If people are worried about the whole Y2K thing, just wait until they try to get technical support the day "Phantom Menace" opens. __________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:59:37 -0600 From: jkrudy Subject: [MV] Star Wars: What's on the editing room floor? ************ This may be interpreted as a spoiler so beware ************** First, I absolutely loved this movie. I can't wait to see it again, although I'm forcing myself to wait at least a month so I don't get accused of being too much of a freak by my co-workers. I'm wondering how much of this film was cut out. Does anyone know? The reason I ask is it seemed very rushed, especially at the very beginning. I was also extremely disappointed in how short the Light Saber duel was at the end. It seems like they must have cut a huge chunk of it out also. Now that I've seen the movie, I've started reading the book by Terry Brooks based on the Screenplay and story by George Lucas. It has many scenes in it that were not in the movie and I'm wondering if they were the imagination of Terry Brooks or were based on scenes from the movie that were cut. It also has a short history of the Sith which I found very interesting. Would it be too much to hope for that Lucas will eventually release a director's cut of this on Video (DVD or Laserdisc)? Any comments will be appreciated. James K. Rudy [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:19:52 CEST From: "Da Sneaker" Subject: RE: [MV] undeliverable response I also get the messages. Don't know why, but I don't really enjoy getting them. R.Essers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 99 10:29:46 -0700 From: "David F. Nolan" Subject: RE: [MV] undeliverable response >I'm getting those also. It still sends the message that I send, but then it >sends back that error. > >James K. Rudy Same here. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:51:32 +0100 From: Tim Stubbs Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD At 12:27 PM 5/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 07.53 AM 20/05/99 +0100, Tim Stubbs wrote: >>Anyone else figure the series is really Darth Vader's story, not Obi's, >>Luke's, or anyone else? > >Actually, the original idea was for the central characters to be the >robots, C-3PO and R2-D2. When Lucas planned for nine movies (three >trilogies), they were the only characters in all of them. However, since >he has dropped plans for making the final trilogy, perhaps that has >changed. There were even rumours that the droids wouldn't even be in the >first movie, but of course... well, if you've seen it, you know what >happens:-) > >There is some question about who's story this actually is. However, I feel >it is unfair to look too deeply into this until everyone has had a chance >to see the movie. > >Regards, > >--Mel Well, I'll explain my reasoning then..... The six part arc..... Annakin is a nice young boy who gets lured to the Dark Side, he becomes Darth Vader, but at the end he comes back to the good side again. The End. :-) Toffee [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:10:07 +0100 From: Tim Stubbs Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply Hi Oz! Hi bb! I couldn't tell for sure if you actually had DVD, it sounded like you might be holding out. I had been, until I saw the quality on my new PC with DVD. At 08:41 AM 5/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >I agree. I don't know the release schedule but I would expect the third episode to not be in the theatres sooner that 6-7 years from now. Lucas has been very clever and coy in his releases of the original series. for instance, a year before the remastered and enhanced versions were released they put the original series on sale with the announcement that it was the last time it would be available. > >I won't be surprised if Lucas and Fox don't have some similar creative strategy up their sleeves. > >Of course it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. > >bb > >>>> Oz - 5/20/99 5:40 PM >>> >Tim Stubbs wrote: >> >Not until the first three are complete, then he will release them all on DVD >> This sounds realistic. > >I don't think so. I'd like to know how many people seriously think >DVD will still be the format of choice by the time Episode three has >had it's run in theatres. > >MiniDisc? Huh? Limited market penetration as an audio format sure, but I see no indication it could become a replacement for DVD. Internet movies? No nice touchy-feely 'possession' experience. Video on Demand? Also no nice touchy-feely 'possession' experience. DIVX? Already dying out. > >You just kinda know that someone is going to come up with something >new in the next few years to make everyone ditch their DVD players, >a la Laserdisc. I have been buying LDs for nearly 20 years. VHS for about 25 years. There is no reason to think that a medium that basically does the job it's designed for will be easily replaced. You have to think 'why?' would people want a new system. DVD is replacing sell-thru VHS because it is TWICE as good for similar money, plus it has lots of cool features. If some of the folks on the list are not yet into DVD then I have NO hesitation in recommending they stop hesitating and jump right in and enjoy the best home cinema experience since popcorn. Toffee [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:27:33 -0700 From: "Romero, Leticia" Subject: RE: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? I could only back you up, Chris! I remember when Star Wars first came out, George said in an interview that the story was actually 9 chapters long, and at the end it's R2 and 3P0 telling the story! > -----Original Message----- > From: cHriS [SMTP:csothman@nwchiro.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 7:22 AM > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? > > > Toffee mused: > > "Anyone else figure the series is really Darth Vader's story, not > Obi's, Luke's, or anyone else?" > > > Well, officially I think it's supposed to be Annikan/Vader's tale, but I > think this whole saga revolves around...R2! > > Think about it: when all is said and done and the Star Wars saga finally > finishes, who's the only character who will have been there for the whole > ride? R2! He was there in Star Wars, delivering Leia's "only hope" message > that united Luke and Obiwan; he was there in the X-wing that blew up the > first Death Star; he was there with Yoda and Luke for the Jedi training; > he > was there in the Millennium Falcon, fixing the hyperdrive in the escape > from Cloud City; he was there as part of the rescue team that infiltrated > Jabba's underworld to save Han; he was there on Endor, opening doors to > Imperial bunkers while under heavy gunfire. He's been shot by Jawas, shot > by TIE fighters, eaten (and spit out) by Dagobah swamp monsters, shot by > storm troopers, and even forced into bartender slavery serving drinks on > the sand barge to Jabba's goons! > > And those are just examples from the previous films; due to SPOILER > potentential, I won't go into what R2 does to merit heroic status from the > Queen (and in the first hour, nonetheless!) in EPISODE 1. > > Yeah, this whole saga may be about Vader, but R2's the true hero. Prove me > wrong! > > - cHriS > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:49 EDT From: MrMovie008@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply In a message dated 5/20/99 11:42:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce@ffww.com=20 writes: << I would expect the third episode to not be in the theatres sooner that 6-= 7=20 years from now. =20 bb >> The Second and Third Episodes are currently scheduled to be released on: May 22, 2002=20 =95Star Wars Prequel: Episode 2 =20 May 25, 2005=20 =95Star Wars Prequel: Episode 3 For more information on film release dates visit: Mr. Movie's Movie Guide=09=09http://place-an-ad.com/MrMovie/ =09Mr. Movie =09MrMovie008@aol.com [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:32:18 -0600 From: jkrudy Subject: RE: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? I remember that now. I had forgotten it, but yes, that's what he said at the time. Interesting since 3PO tells Luke in episode 4 that he's not very good at telling stories, yet he proves himself wrong in Jedi when he tells the Ewoks the story from Ep. 4 and 5. James K. Rudy - -----Original Message----- From: Romero, Leticia [mailto:lromero@saonet.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:28 PM To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? I could only back you up, Chris! I remember when Star Wars first came out, George said in an interview that the story was actually 9 chapters long, and at the end it's R2 and 3P0 telling the story! > -----Original Message----- > From: cHriS [SMTP:csothman@nwchiro.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 7:22 AM > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [MV] STAR WARS: who's story is it? > > > Toffee mused: > > "Anyone else figure the series is really Darth Vader's story, not > Obi's, Luke's, or anyone else?" > > > Well, officially I think it's supposed to be Annikan/Vader's tale, but I > think this whole saga revolves around...R2! > > Think about it: when all is said and done and the Star Wars saga finally > finishes, who's the only character who will have been there for the whole > ride? R2! He was there in Star Wars, delivering Leia's "only hope" message > that united Luke and Obiwan; he was there in the X-wing that blew up the > first Death Star; he was there with Yoda and Luke for the Jedi training; > he > was there in the Millennium Falcon, fixing the hyperdrive in the escape > from Cloud City; he was there as part of the rescue team that infiltrated > Jabba's underworld to save Han; he was there on Endor, opening doors to > Imperial bunkers while under heavy gunfire. He's been shot by Jawas, shot > by TIE fighters, eaten (and spit out) by Dagobah swamp monsters, shot by > storm troopers, and even forced into bartender slavery serving drinks on > the sand barge to Jabba's goons! > > And those are just examples from the previous films; due to SPOILER > potentential, I won't go into what R2 does to merit heroic status from the > Queen (and in the first hour, nonetheless!) in EPISODE 1. > > Yeah, this whole saga may be about Vader, but R2's the true hero. Prove me > wrong! > > - cHriS > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:35:00 -0700 From: "Romero, Leticia" Subject: RE: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply no one is forcing you - and the laser discs are an excellent substitute until DVD... besides George is always talking about how technology is getting better, who KNOWS what will be added to the DVD - maybe some of those scenes James is sure was cut out... Leti Romero ;) "The World Is Not Enough" > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Bridges [SMTP:Bruce@ffww.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 12:07 PM > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD -Reply > > Call me stubborn but I just can not believe he will wait until episode > three has made its theater run to release the movies on dvd. As much as > he professes to champion the best in technology it would make no sense to > force the majority of people to have to continue to watch it on vhs. > > bb > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:39:53 -0700 From: "Romero, Leticia" Subject: RE: [MV] Star Wars on DVD DEATH TO DIVX!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Oz [SMTP:oz@filmink-online.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 5:40 PM > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars on DVD > > Tim Stubbs wrote: > > >Not until the first three are complete, then he will release them all > on DVD > > This sounds realistic. > > I don't think so. I'd like to know how many people seriously think > DVD will still be the format of choice by the time Episode three has > had it's run in theatres. > > MiniDisc? Internet movies? Video on Demand? DIVX? > > You just kinda know that someone is going to come up with something > new in the next few years to make everyone ditch their DVD players, > a la Laserdisc. > > ----------------- {{{OZ}}} ------------------- > ------- http://www.filmink-online.com -------- > ---------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Want to earn money on your website? How does 17c a click sound? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.valueclick.com/cgi-bin/refer_host_signup?host=h0032965 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:46:34 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars (****MAJOR SPOILERS****) At 06.51 PM 20/05/99 +0100, Tim Stubbs wrote: >>There is some question about who's story this actually is. However, I feel >>it is unfair to look too deeply into this until everyone has had a chance >>to see the movie. >> >>--Mel > > >Well, I'll explain my reasoning then..... > >The six part arc..... > >Annakin is a nice young boy who gets lured to the Dark Side, he becomes >Darth Vader, but at the end he comes back to the good side again. The End. Yes, you are right. Anakin/Vader is definately a central character. However: S P O I L E R S P A C E It is also very religious. We have a virgin birth (Anakin). We also have the Immaculate Conception (the IC was actually the birth of Mary without sin, so that she could carry Jesus), as Anakin is the father of the actual saviour, Luke. Senator Palpatine/The Emperor/(the other character that he played in Episode 1, but I won't mention in case you haven't figured it out) is also a central figure. He leads Anakin to the Dark Side. So there are a number of characters that run throughout the series. Of course, if a third trilogy would be made, Anakin would not run throughout the entire series. R2 and 3PO are key, as they are the menial labourers and comic relief. Lucas has them as storytellers. So I guess at this point, we can consider this to be the story of Anakin, as told by the droids. (Did anyone else stay throughout the credits to hear James Earl Jones' voiceover??) Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty Please support the endeavour of a friend and fellow Australian. Political Corrections by Michael Jaymes Cassidy http://www.angelfire.com/ma/politicalmusings ____________________________________________ If people are worried about the whole Y2K thing, just wait until they try to get technical support the day "Phantom Menace" opens. __________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:59:13 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars: What's on the editing room floor? At 10.59 AM 20/05/99 -0600, jkrudy wrote: >************ This may be interpreted as a spoiler so beware ************** > > > > > >First, I absolutely loved this movie. I can't wait to see it again, >although I'm forcing myself to wait at least a month so I don't get accused >of being too much of a freak by my co-workers. So, I guess we were both right in our feelings and interest of waiting to see for ourselves rather than just going by the reviews. I think the faults in this film were the same as the others, esp the first one (episode 4). Especially dragging was the back story that we needed to fill in. This story has to match up with what we already know. However, if this was the first SW film you'd have seen, I think you'd be disappointed. Hard to understand why such lines as "I've got a bad feeling about this", etc are funny unless you know how cliched they are in this series. Yes, the movie moved slow in parts (but so did Episode 4). Yes, Jar Jar was annoying. I think it's better to have a character that you have no hope of understanding, like R2 or Chewbacca, than one that speaks just enough (bad) English to have you trying to understand him. That was frustrating. Then again, after 100 views of this movie, I am sure we all will have his dialogue both figured out and memorised. > >I'm wondering how much of this film was cut out. Does anyone know? The >reason I ask is it seemed very rushed, especially at the very beginning. I >was also extremely disappointed in how short the Light Saber duel was at the >end. It seems like they must have cut a huge chunk of it out also. Now >that I've seen the movie, I've started reading the book by Terry Brooks >based on the Screenplay and story by George Lucas. It has many scenes in it >that were not in the movie and I'm wondering if they were the imagination of >Terry Brooks or were based on scenes from the movie that were cut. It also >has a short history of the Sith which I found very interesting. Well, I read the first three books (haven't read this adaptation yet), and especially the first one had some background that were nowhere to be seen in the movie. Some were filmed and cut (the scenes that were re-added last year), but others were just added scenes. In part, you can do more in a novel than in a movie. Also, the time constraints are different. I suspect it's a bit of both. In part, there are scenes that Lucas wrote and either didn't film or cut in the editing room. But I am sure that Brooks threw in some background that just wouldn't work in the film medium. > >Would it be too much to hope for that Lucas will eventually release a >director's cut of this on Video (DVD or Laserdisc)? Oh, don't worry. When interest has lagged in this series, he will suddenly come out with a new, "special edition" As for the DVD, I can't believe that Lucas isn't backing the technology, tho I know that in part it is his doing. But, also, the reaction of Fox to the technology isn't helping matters. There's Something About Mary hasn't been released because they fear bootleggers so much. Fox is basically the only studio not behind the system, and when they do release a DVD version, their prices are amongst the highest in the industry. Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty Please support the endeavour of a friend and fellow Australian. Political Corrections by Michael Jaymes Cassidy http://www.angelfire.com/ma/politicalmusings ____________________________________________ If people are worried about the whole Y2K thing, just wait until they try to get technical support the day "Phantom Menace" opens. __________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:24:53 -0600 From: jkrudy Subject: RE: [MV] Star Wars (****MAJOR SPOILERS****) I'm afraid I didn't stay, what did he say in the voiceover? Or was it just a scene from 4, 5 or 6? James K. Rudy - -----Original Message----- From: Mel Eperthener [mailto:bcassidy@usaor.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:47 PM To: movies@lists.xmission.com; movies@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [MV] Star Wars (****MAJOR SPOILERS****) At 06.51 PM 20/05/99 +0100, Tim Stubbs wrote: >>There is some question about who's story this actually is. However, I feel >>it is unfair to look too deeply into this until everyone has had a chance >>to see the movie. >> >>--Mel > > >Well, I'll explain my reasoning then..... > >The six part arc..... > >Annakin is a nice young boy who gets lured to the Dark Side, he becomes >Darth Vader, but at the end he comes back to the good side again. The End. Yes, you are right. Anakin/Vader is definately a central character. However: S P O I L E R S P A C E It is also very religious. We have a virgin birth (Anakin). We also have the Immaculate Conception (the IC was actually the birth of Mary without sin, so that she could carry Jesus), as Anakin is the father of the actual saviour, Luke. Senator Palpatine/The Emperor/(the other character that he played in Episode 1, but I won't mention in case you haven't figured it out) is also a central figure. He leads Anakin to the Dark Side. So there are a number of characters that run throughout the series. Of course, if a third trilogy would be made, Anakin would not run throughout the entire series. R2 and 3PO are key, as they are the menial labourers and comic relief. Lucas has them as storytellers. So I guess at this point, we can consider this to be the story of Anakin, as told by the droids. (Did anyone else stay throughout the credits to hear James Earl Jones' voiceover??) Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty Please support the endeavour of a friend and fellow Australian. Political Corrections by Michael Jaymes Cassidy http://www.angelfire.com/ma/politicalmusings ____________________________________________ If people are worried about the whole Y2K thing, just wait until they try to get technical support the day "Phantom Menace" opens. __________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:58:19 -0700 From: Michael Dequina Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#192, 5/20/99 T H E M O V I E R E P O R T #192 MAY 20, 1999 You can help support the MR and Mr. Brown's Movie Site by purchasing videos and DVDs from Reel.com. Please visit: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-reel.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dwelcome.htm= l Thank you very much. =3D>T H I S W E E K<=3D M O V I E S - -_Besieged_ - -_The_Love_Letter_ V I D E O - -_A_Cool,_Dry_Place_ - -_Holy_Man_ - -_The_Impostors_ - -_Very_Bad_Things_ =3D>U P D A T E S<=3D @MR. BROWN'S MOVIE SITE - -Movie Site Links has finally been updated: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movielinks.html For that, the best and worst of 1998, links to the official websites of all the current films, past reviews, exclusive Hollywood event photos, movie MIDI music, movie discussion board, and more, visit: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown or http://welcome.to/mrbrown or http://mrbrown.webjump.com Please don't forget to sign the guestbook... If you are reading this on Usenet, you can subscribe to the MR at: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/moviereport.html Select reviews are available at CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com=20 ...and the Eyepiece Network at: http://www.eyepiece.com ...and Albany Online at: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com ...and Film Frenzy at: http://www.filmfrenzy.com I am always up for a good live chat. Feel free to message me on ICQ at #25289934 or on AOL Instant Messenger under the handle "MrBrown23." all movies graded out of four stars (****) ~~~ =3D>M O V I E S<=3D N E W R E L E A S E S IN BRIEF _Besieged_ (R) ** 1/2 Thandie Newton stars an African emigre studying for a medical degree in Rome while her husband remains imprisoned in her homeland. To make ends meet, she serves as live-in housekeeper to an eccentric British pianist (David Thewlis), who has fallen hopelessly in love with his married employee and makes noble, selfless sacrifices to make her happy. _Besieged_ is indeed a Bernardo Bertolucci film: it features enthralling location photography (done here by Fabio Cianchetti) and a fairly thin story (based on a short story by James Lasdun) set to a languid pace. That latter fact keeps this already-subdued love story at an arm's length emotionally. Despite a vividly expressive performance by Newton, the lack of urgency equates to a lack of intimacy. _The_Love_Letter_ (PG-13) * 1/2 A few nights ago I rewatched one of my favorite films released domestically last year, the Hong Kong import _Comrades:_Almost_a_Love_Story_, directed by Peter Ho-sun Chan. This exquisite romantic drama virtually swept the Hong Kong Film Awards in 1997, and it's easy to see why--it had every element required for a successful love story: sympathetic lead characters; well-cast lead actors with a palpable romantic chemistry; an engaging, believable story; a swoony musical score; and, crucially, an indefinable sense of magic. Chan's American debut, _The_Love_Letter_, has only one of these characteristics: an effective score (composed by Luis Bachalov, Oscar winner for _Il_Postino_). Everything else leaves a lot to be desired. The premise is one that Roger Ebert would classify under "idiot plot": a bookstore owner (a likable Kate Capshaw) in a tiny New England town finds an anonymous love letter, and she assumes it's from a much-younger employee (Tom Everett Scott, also likable)--who, in turn, sees the letter and assumes it's addressed to him from her. "Comical" hijinks ensue, and they're every bit as strained as one would expect. However, this May-December affair is not the central romance; the key relationship is between Capshaw's character and a lovelorn fireman (Tom Selleck), who were high school flames. To say that Capshaw and the bland Selleck's chemistry is tepid is to imply a slight hint of warmth that isn't there. Similarly, to call _The_Love_Letter_ "a romantic comedy-drama" is to imply an involving emotional core and a witty sense of humor that simply aren't= there. I N C U R R E N T R E L E A S E (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) - -_Analyze_This_ (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt46.html#analyze =20 - -_The_Castle_ (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#castle - -_Cookie's_Fortune_ (PG-13) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt47.html#cookie - -_The_Dreamlife_of_Angels_(La_Vie_R=EAv=E9e_des_Anges)_ (R) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#dreamlife - -_Election_ (R) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#election - -_Endurance_ (G) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#endurance - -_Entrapment_ (R) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#entrapment - -_eXistenZ_ (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#existenz - -_Forces_of_Nature_ (PG-13) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt46.html#forces - -_Get_Real_ (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#real - -_Go_ (R) **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt47.html#go - -_Idle_Hands_ (R) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#hands - -_Life_ (R) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#life - -_Life_Is_Beautiful_(La_Vita_E_Bella)_ (PG-13) **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt40.html#vitabella - -_Lost_&_Found_ (PG-13) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#lost - -_Lovers_of_the_Arctic_Circle_(Los_Amantes_del_C=EDrculo_Polar)_ (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#amantes - -_The_Matrix_ (R) **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt47.html#matrix - -_The_Mummy_ (PG-13) * 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#mummy - -_Never_Been_Kissed_ (PG-13) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt47.html#never - -_The_Out-of-Towners_ (PG-13) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt47.html#out - -_Pushing_Tin_ (R) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#tin - -_Shakespeare_in_Love_ (R) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt43.html#shakespeare - -_SLC_Punk!_ (R) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt48.html#slc - -_Tea_with_Mussolini_ (PG) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#mussolini - -_10_Things_I_Hate_About_You_ (PG-13) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt47.html#10 - -_Three_Seasons_ (PG-13) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#3 - -_A_Walk_on_the_Moon_ (R) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#walk - -_William_Shakespeare's_A_Midsummer_Night's_Dream_ (PG-13) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#midsummer - -_Xiu_Xiu:_The_Sent-Down_Girl_ (R) **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#xiuxiu O N T H E H O R I Z O N OPENED WEDNESDAY _Star_Wars:_Episode_I--The_Phantom_Menace_ (PG) *** 1/2 Full review in MR#190, 5/11/99; and at: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt49.html#phantom No synopsis is needed for this one. Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Jake Lloyd star for writer-director George Lucas. FRIDAY _Besieged_ (R) ** 1/2 Visually handsome, emotionally aloof romantic drama about an African emigre (Thandie Newton) and the British musician (David Thewlis) for whom she works in Rome. _Frogs_for_Snakes_ (R) Dark comedy about actors who would literally kill for roles. Barbara Hershey stars. _The_King_of_Masks_ Period drama from Hong Kong about an old street performer who takes a young boy under his wing. _The_Love_Letter_ (PG-13) * 1/2 Hong Kong director Peter Ho-sun Chan stumbles into the American market with this syrupy comedy about an anonymous love letter that disrupts the lives of the residents of a small town. Kate Capshaw, Ellen DeGeneres, Tom Everett Scott, and Tom Selleck star. _Trekkies_ (PG) Not to be ignored in the thick of _Star_Wars_ mania are the rabid fans of that other sci-fi pop culture phenomenon, _Star_Trek_, who are the subject of this documentary. ~~~ =3D>V I D E O<=3D N E W T H I S W E E K _A_Cool,_Dry_Place_ (PG-13) ** Full review in MR#176, 2/4/99; and at: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt45.html#cooldry Buy at VHS at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44678 Fox's decision to give a brief, barely noticeable theatrical run to this drama about a single dad (Vince Vaughn, stretching admirably) torn between his estranged wife (Monica Potter) and a new love (Joey Lauren Adams) was hardly surprising: the film is as dry as a made-for-TV movie. Which makes for a strange paradox on video: the wan, simpleminded melodrama plays more comfortably on the small screen, yet the downsizing just underscores how similar the film is to an average flick for the tube. (20th Century Fox Home Entertainment) _Holy_Man_ (PG) * 1/2 Full review in MR#162, 10/16/98; and at: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt40.html#holyman Buy at VHS and DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D43614 After the inexplicable success of _Doctor_Dolittle_, Eddie Murphy stumbled again playing second fiddle to Jeff Goldblum in this extremely dull dramedy about a home shopping programmer (Goldblum) and the enigmatic spiritual guru (Murphy) who changes his life. (Touchstone Home Video; DVD also available) _The_Impostors_ (R) ** 1/2 Full review in MR#160, 10/5/98; and at: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt40.html#impostors Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D43530 Stanley Tucci's short-circuited screwball farce begins promisingly: during the Depression, two actors (Tucci and Oliver Platt) stow away on an oceanliner after being falsely accused of assault by another actor (Alfred Molina). But when the action shifts to the cruise ship, so does the focus, widening to include an array of eccentric passengers that only marginally hold any interest. Still, some inspired comic set pieces and performances make it a fairly safe rent. (20th Century Fox Home Entertainment; DVD also available) _Very_Bad_Things_ (R) **** Full review in MR#167, 11/20/98; and at: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt42.html#bad Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44179 Peter Berg's controversial writing-directing debut is every bit as sick and twisted as it has been made out to be--and, for my money, as wildly hilarious as it is bloody. Christian Slater, Cameron Diaz, and Jon Favreau lead the terrific ensemble cast for this way-beyond-dark comedy about a bachelor party gone horribly awry--and its shocking repercussions. Already a cult favorite, its following should only grow on video. (PolyGram Video; DVD also available)=09 A L S O N E W T H I S W E E K _Bent_ (NC-17) Buy at VHS at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D40774 Adaptation of the award-winning play about two gay men (Lothaire Bluteau and Clive Owen) who fall in love while in a WWII concentration camp. Ian McKellen co-stars. (Orion Home Video) R E C E N T R E L E A S E S (full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs) - -_Another_Day_in_Paradise_ (R) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt44.html#paradise Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44449 - -_At_First_Sight_ (PG-13) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt44.html#sight Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44152 - -_Babe:_Pig_in_the_City_ (G) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt42.html#babe Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44140 - -_Elizabeth_ (R) *** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt40.html#elizabeth Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D43968 - -_Happiness_ **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt40.html#happiness Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D43618 - -_Orgazmo_ (NC-17) * 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt41.html#orgazmo Buy at VHS at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D43740 - -_Stepmom_ (PG-13) *** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt43.html#stepmom Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44390 - -_Star_Trek:_Insurrection_ (PG) ** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt43.html#insurrection Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44281 - -_Velvet_Goldmine_ (R) ** 1/2 http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt41.html#velvet Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D43872 - -_You've_Got_Mail_ (PG) **** http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt43.html#mail Buy at VHS or DVD at Reel.com: http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=3DMRBR&OBJECT=3Dmoviepag= e.as p?MMID=3D44362 ~~~ =3D>N E X T W E E K<=3D Back at full length, with more reviews, including: - -_Black_Mask_ (postponed from this week) - -_Notting_Hill_ 'til then...=20 __________________________________________________________ Michael Dequina Chat Forum Host, The Official Michael Jordan Web Site http://jordan.sportsline.com mj23@michaeljordanfan.com | jordan_host@sportsmail.com michael_jordan@geocities.com | mrbrown@iname.com >My personal WWW sites< Mr. Brown's Movie Site: http://welcome.to/mrbrown Michael Jordan Beyond the Court: http://fly.to/michaeljordan A Michael Jordan Fan's Heartbreak: http://fly.to/mj23 Personal Page: http://welcome.to/w3md >Other WWW sites I work on< CompuServe Hollywood Hotline: http://www.HollywoodHotline.com Albany Online: http://www.AlbanyOnline.com Eyepiece Network: http://www.eyepiece.com Film Frenzy: http://www.filmfrenzy.com "Life is knowing the toughest competition you ever face is yourself." - --Michael Jordan __________________________________________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:39:30 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: RE: [MV] Star Wars on DVD At 11.39 AM 20/05/99 -0700, Romero, Leticia wrote: >DEATH TO DIVX!!! THANK YOU for that.:-) Talk about technology being used for the side of evil. (Still working on my anti-DIVX rant:-) Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty email: bcassidy@usaor.net gowanna@australiamail.com http://www.webz.com/gowanna 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE (1-888-454-6926) ____________________________________________ "Mulder, if you had to do without a cell phone for two minutes, you'd lapse into catatonic schizophrenia" - --Dana Scully ______________________________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:04:14 EDT From: MrMovie008@aol.com Subject: [MV] Star Wars Opening Day What an opening day Star Wars had. For the midnight shows through 6:00am it grossed 7.5M All together for the whole day it had a gross of 28,542,349 For more Weekly and Daily box office listings visit Mr. Movie's Movie Guide Mr. Movie MrMovie008@aol.com http://place-an-ad.com/MrMovie/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of movies-digest V2 #191 **************************** [ To quit the movies-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe movies-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]