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Re: [MV] Sixth Sense
RE:[MV] Deep Blue Sea
Re: [MV] Summer's End
[MV] Movie News - 08/23/99
Re: [MV] Iron Giant review
[MV] Talos the Mummy (spoilers)
[MV] WIld wild west
[MV] RE: [MovieReview] Blast from the Past
Re: [MV] WIld wild west
Re: [MV] Sixth Sense
Re: [MV] Films and Movies
Re: [MV] Summer's End
[MV] Lists and movies
Re: [MV] Lists and movies
RE: [MV] Lists and movies
Re: [MV] Lists and movies
[MV] OFF TOPIC: Pop Quiz
Re: [MV] OFF TOPIC: Pop Quiz
RE:[MV] WIld wild west

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:28:50 CDT
From: "Wade Snider" <wds9974@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Sixth Sense

He was also the youngest son on Dave's World, an American TV sitcom based on 
the columnist Dave Barry. He was very funny, too.


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>Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:26:00 -0700
>
>YEAH,THAT LITTLE KID WAS IN FOREST GUMP AS HIS SON.
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>
>On 8/17/99, 7:56 PM -0700, shelley bornholdt said so nicely:
> >  The
> >"boy's" character-name slips my mind too.  In real
> >life his name is Haley Joel Osment.
>
>His name was Cole.  Oscar caliber if you ask me!!
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:29:43 CDT
From: "Wade Snider" <wds9974@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE:[MV] Deep Blue Sea

Bastard!


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>Subject: RE:[MV] Deep Blue Sea
>Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:34:00 -0700
>
>YEAH,DEEP BLUE SEA WAS SOOOO AWESOME-WAY BETTER THAT JAWS. HOW 'BOUT WHEN 
>THAT
>SHARK JUMPED OUT OF THE WATER
>AND ATE UP SAM JACKSON? COOL!!
>
>
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>The movie, Deep Blue Sea, is an exciting movie with a
>lot of suspense.  The suspense is made possible by the
>sounds effects similar to Sixth Sense.  This uses
>almost the same idea as the movie, Jaws.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:40:02 CDT
From: "Wade Snider" <wds9974@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Summer's End

You could compare the first one to the Kurt Russell movie, Solider, which 
(although it has uncapitalized interesting and unexploited aspects and 
acting) makes Universal Soldier look like a Kubrick masterpiece.


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>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:55:49 -0500
>
>At 09:40 PM 8/22/99 EDT, SWObitwo@aol.com wrote:
> >Hello there all you movie listers...or is it listee's?? anyhoo
> >
> >        I'm sad to report that's i've cought my last summer movie today
> >
> >Universal Soldier: the Return...
> >It wasn't much compared to the original, but then again, the original 
>isn't
> >much compared to anything...ever
>
>the incredible wonderment of "cyborg" is all the jean-claude van damme i'll
>ever need ever again.
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:10:35 -0600
From: "The Reporter" <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/23/99

LOS ANGELES (AP) - "The Sixth Sense" spooked $24.1 million out of
moviegoers at the weekend box office, becoming the first film since
the "Phantom Menace" to hold the No. 1 spot for three consecutive
weeks, according to industry estimates Sunday. The supernatural
thriller - starring Bruce Willis as a therapist treating a boy who
sees dead people - has grossed $107.7 million in three weeks.
Different movies had debuted in first place for nine straight
weekends since "Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace" fell to
second place in June. The Hollywood satire "Bowfinger," meanwhile,
held on to second place this weekend. Starring Steve Martin as a
wannabe director who secretly films an action star played by Eddie
Murphy, "Bowfinger" earned $10.7 million in its second week for a
total of $35.9 million. "Mickey Blue Eyes," a romantic-comedy
starring Hugh Grant as a man who discovers his fiancee's father is a
mobster, opened in third place with a respectable $10.4 million.
However, two other new films debuted in the bottom of the top 10. The
Jean-Claude Van Damme sci-fi adventure "Universal Soldier: The
Return" opened weakly with $4.7 million for seventh place.

"Teaching Mrs. Tingle," a black-comedy about teens who hold their
teacher hostage, was hampered by bad reviews and criticism of its
violent content. The film earned a paltry $3.5 million for tenth
place. "People expected 'Tingle' to do really well, but teens don't
want to see any comedy that has a dark theme. They want lighthearted
fair or horror films," said Robert Bucksbaum, a movie analyst with
Reel Source Inc. He said "The Sixth Sense" has done well because it
takes its somber subject matter seriously, yet its PG-13 rating opens
it up to a broad audience. "It's getting incredible repeat business,"
Bucksbaum said. "Nothing else out there is even coming close." The
thriller also has a surprise ending that prompted moviegoers to see
it multiple times, said Chuck Viane, head of distribution for Disney,
which released the film. "Audiences are coming back for the ending,"
he said, adding that a lot of people want to know "how they got me."
The Julia Roberts-Richard Gere romance "Runaway Bride" was fourth
with $9.3 million, and "The Blair Witch Project" slipped to fifth
place with $7.1 million. The low-budget shocker has grossed $120.5
million, since it opened in wide release four weeks ago, making it
one the most successful independent films in history, Bucksbaum said.

                        -=> * <=-

LOS ANGELES (Billboard) - Stunt coordinator Remy Julienne has
acknowledged responsibility for Monday's fatal accident during a
Paris shoot for "Taxi 2," the sequel to the hit French action movie.
Driver Gilbert Bataille made a second stunt run up a raised launch
ramp, video footage shows, sailed far past a battle tank, overshot
boxes positioned to soften his landing and veered toward the camera
crew. "Everyone got clear at the last second," police said, "except
the cameraman (Alain Dutartre), who kept his eye glued to the
viewfinder." Dutartre died of massive injuries.

                        -=> * <=-

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Miramax Films picked the worst possible time -
back-to-school season - to release "Teaching Mrs. Tingle," a black
comedy about teens who hold their mean-spirited teacher hostage,
education groups say. The movie's opening on Friday came just four
days after classes resumed at Columbine High School in Colorado for
the first time since two students gunned down 12 schoolmates and a
teacher and wounded 23 others before killing themselves last spring.
"The timing is really unfortunate," said Kathleen Lyons, spokeswoman
for the National Education Association. "We find it appalling that
Miramax would release a movie about kids hunting down teachers."
Miramax did not immediately return phone calls from The Associated
Press, but sent a fax detailing the plot and a comment from
first-time director Kevin Williamson, who also wrote the horror
screenplays, to "Scream" and "I Know What You Did Last Summer."

"I hope audiences find this movie to be funny, wicked and incredibly
entertaining, but in addition I hope they take away the idea that we
have all had bad experiences that can later become assets in life.
You can turn the tables," he said. "Mrs. Tingle" stars Helen Mirren
as a malevolent teacher who is kidnapped by three students.
Originally called "Killing Mrs. Tingle," the movie's title was toned
down after the Columbine shootings. The teacher is not killed,
although she's injured and several scenes involve a menacing
crossbow. Since Columbine, the entertainment industry has faced
criticism that the violence in films, television and video games
contributes to real-life violence. President Clinton and Congress
have appealed to Hollywood to show more restraint.


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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 10:36:32 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [MV] Iron Giant review

I'd have to agree. "The Iron Giant" is probably the most-overlooked gem 
of the Summer. It's currently the fourth-highest-rated movie on 
FlickPicks (http://www.flickpicks.com), yet it has languished at the box 
office (about $15M to date) while people flock to see dreck like Wild 
Wild West ($110M+), The Haunting ($90M) and Inspector Gadget ($80M).  And 
don't even get me started on "The Blair Witch Project" .....

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:42:21 +0100
From: Garrett Winters <gargoyle@iol.ie>
Subject: [MV] Talos the Mummy (spoilers)

I got a whole bunch of new movies on the weekend including the 
abovementioned mummy flick and all I can say is "What the F**k was that 
all about?". As a film I thought it a bit disjointed, with scenes 
peppered in that weren't explained and left you wondering what just 
happened. and then the ending I could not believe, I can't remember the 
last time I saw a film where all the leads were killed and the bad guy 
survived, does this mean we are going to get a sequel? All in all it 
wasn't even a touch on the Brendan Fraser Mummy film which was a much 
more enjoyable film, in which you could see that the director went to 
great lengths to provide a decent finished product ( to me it felt almost 
like an "Indiana Jones Lite").
Garrett

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:42:22 +0100
From: Garrett Winters <gargoyle@iol.ie>
Subject: [MV] WIld wild west

I think movie goers are getting too big for their britches, we all seem 
to want to see remakes of our favorite shows but when they arrive we boo 
and hiss and say it was rubbish. In the last few years Mission 
Impossible, Lost in Space, and now WWW have all been panned for a 
multitude of reasons and yet the critics are all wrong as each of those 
movies delivered exactly what they should have. I suppose when the 
charlies angel's flick arrives we will all moan because it is so unlike 
the original, that is the point isn't it to bring you back to the 
carefree days of youth but at the same time they have to entertain the 
audience we have become. could you imagine what LIS and WWW would have 
been like if they had stayed true to the original ( and LIS was almost a 
carbon copy of the first few episodes of the original series), and used 
props and effects that were common at the time. they would have sucked 
big banana's.
I don't know what people expect, I suppose the Phantom Menace showed that 
a lot of the people who claim to be star wars fans really aren't or they 
wouldn't have complained about TPM. I loved it and thought it couldn't 
have possibly been any better and look forward to the next two with great 
relish. So people who didn't like the movies I"ve listed above are more 
likely just vocal fans of the original's rather than true fans who will 
accept changes to an already successful formula.
Garrett

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:48:50 -0500
From: julie_klenko@pleasantco.com
Subject: [MV] RE: [MovieReview] Blast from the Past

I thought the movie was horrible.
To me Christopher Walken and Sissy Spacek chose poorly to involve
themselves. Must have been the money.
I was embarrased to watch this movie with my son. He loves Brandon Fraser
after seeing The Mummy.

That's just my opinion I think it stunk! 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject:	Re: [MovieReview] Blast from the Past
> 
> I, too, surprisingly enjoyed this movie. I didn't expect to, either. Sure,
> 
> Alicia did a decent job, and she manages to vary a little bit from her
> usual 
> pouty cynicism in her roles. Now, her pouty cynicism has more energy. 
> Hahahahaha.. No, I agree that for her, she did a much better job than she 
> usually does. And, she plays a huge part in the fact that as bizzare as
> Adam 
> (Fraser) is, they have great chemistry on screen. Brendan Fraser is
> actually 
> very good, and I enjoyed the small but hilarious roles of Sissy Spacek and
> 
> Christopher Walken as Fraser's parents (Even though the setup takes too
> long 
> to get going for the first half hour or so).
> 
> There are some VERY funny throw away gags, such as how Walken tries to 
> explain baseball to his son, who never really understands when in their
> bomb 
> shelter. The movie is partially a satire, that doesn't take itself all
> that 
> seriously.
> 
> It has some retchedly predictable and annoying points (the cult group, the
> 
> social worker), but there is enough energy that even though you know
> what's 
> coming, you can still enjoy it. A pretty good movie. Not a great one, but 
> very enjoyable nonetheless.
> 
> 
> Wade
> 
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> >To: Movie Review <MovieReview@cuenet.com>
> >Subject: [MovieReview] Blast from the Past
> >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:47:15 -0500
> >
> >Finally saw this movie.  I thought it was very funny.  The best
> >performance by far from Alicia that I have seen.  How about you?
> >
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:29:21 CDT
From: "Wade Snider" <wds9974@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] WIld wild west

>I think movie goers are getting too big for their britches, we all seem
>to want to see remakes of our favorite shows but when they arrive we boo
>and hiss and say it was rubbish.

I don't know how many people are clamoring for remakes of old tv shows. I 
don't. I think remaking old TV shows is Hollywood's mistaken attempt to 
capitalize on nostalgia, as well as forsake the effort it takes to come up 
with original screenplays. So, we are too big for our britches to expect for 
some intelligent and original products.

In the last few years Mission
>Impossible, Lost in Space, and now WWW have all been panned for a
>multitude of reasons and yet the critics are all wrong as each of those
>movies delivered exactly what they should have.

So, they were SUPPOSED to deliver messy screenplays, flat acting, unoriginal 
stories, and cheesy promotional tie-ins?? Oh, I see. expecting some thought 
to go into the writing, the acting, and the overall story is wrong.

I suppose when the
>charlies angel's flick arrives we will all moan because it is so unlike
>the original, that is the point isn't it to bring you back to the
>carefree days of youth but at the same time they have to entertain the
>audience we have become.

I agree with this concept wholeheartedly. And, that is exactly what I would 
expect from such movies. The point most people make in disliking the movies, 
is that the movies themselves don't entertain. I agree that they should take 
the original concept, but then they should move on in new or modern 
directions. Presently, they just take the old concept and try to force in 
formulaic plot points and glitzy special effects.

>could you imagine what LIS and WWW would have
>been like if they had stayed true to the original ( and LIS was almost a
>carbon copy of the first few episodes of the original series), and used
>props and effects that were common at the time. they would have sucked
>big banana's.

Which I thought they did anyway.

>I don't know what people expect, I suppose the Phantom Menace showed that
>a lot of the people who claim to be star wars fans really aren't or they
>wouldn't have complained about TPM.


Now, your Star Wars argument seems to be the main point, but it's kind of 
like apples and oranges with regards to the first part of your post. Phantom 
Menace was not a remake. It was a new product, and it attempted to somewhat 
capitalize on the original Star Wars nostalgia. (So, I do concede that this 
is the main similarity to your first points)

But, I do resent the notion that as a fan of the original trilogy, I should 
love TPM. I liked it, but I thought it was laden with problems and story 
conflicts. I do think it was overhyped, and it could have been better. even 
so, I do look forward to the next two movies, somewhat.

I loved it and thought it couldn't
>have possibly been any better and look forward to the next two with great
>relish. So people who didn't like the movies I"ve listed above are more
>likely just vocal fans of the original's rather than true fans who will
>accept changes to an already successful formula.

I am not a vocal fan of the original MI or Lost in Space. I am indifferent 
to both. I didn't think very much of either movie, but I did think that they 
could have been so much better than they actually were. I personally see no 
problem with changes to the old formulas. That goes back to the earlier 
point you mentioned.

Simply put, I'm just saying that I don't agree with your characterizations 
of people who don't like these movies.


Wade



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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sandra Nelson <sn_index33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Sixth Sense

Any Cass Members seen Sixth Sense???Answer me soon ok?
Hint hint..

Sandra
end

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> 
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> >To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: Re: [MV] Sixth Sense
> >Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:26:00 -0700
> >
> >YEAH,THAT LITTLE KID WAS IN FOREST GUMP AS HIS SON.
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> >On 8/17/99, 7:56 PM -0700, shelley bornholdt said
> so nicely:
> > >  The
> > >"boy's" character-name slips my mind too.  In
> real
> > >life his name is Haley Joel Osment.
> >
> >His name was Cole.  Oscar caliber if you ask me!!
> >
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:53:00 -0700
From: David.Hoptman@wellpoint.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Films and Movies

I'm w/you Matt. What's w/all the Stanley Kubrick and Terry Gilliam  movies. I
really think All the Kubrick
movies suck bug time.The only one that is good is The Shining because of
Jack.The only others on the list
I like are Resevoir Dogs and The Game.

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This has got to be the worst top ten list of movies ever. You, Mr. Mayer, are
a complete moron. What kind of idiot puts an Ed Wood movie as one of the
best? I swear, if I ever see this Eric Mayer on the street I'll break both
his legs.

~Matt

<<Look,

I'll admit that Jaws is a classic, as much as it hurts me, but as one of
you said that doesn't make it a " good movie." The DVDs and Videos that
rank on my shelf are the ones that break away from that infectious "movie"
moniker, and break into the art of "film." My top ten list would include

1.  (tie) 2001: a space odyssey and A Clockwork Orange
    Two classics, great films, they have a lasting power much longer than
Jaws.  Who can forget Dave Bowman's epic star gate sequence or Alex
DeLarge's rape scene of the writer's wife.  The peak of Stanley Kubrick's
genius.

2.  Brazil
    Terry Gilliam's Orwellian comedy Brazil is a fantastic film, an
entertaining and intellectually stimulating masterpiece that continues to
amaze me.  Not my favorite Gilliam film, but his best.

3.  Bottle Rocket
    Wes Anderson's great film is still more clever than Rushmore and
funnier.  A touching and wonderful, characters whose personas you want to
know first hand

4. 12 Monkeys
    Terry Gilliam's haunting, scary, and visually amazing film is a sight
to behold.  It is an esteemed privelage to understand this film.

5.  Reservoir Dogs
    Tarantino's lone masterpiece, a stylized crime noir unself-conscious,
and acting and dialogue heavy.  A treat, replay value much higher than
Pulp Fiction.

6.  Rushmore
    A good old fashioned american comedy, rich in character development
and story.  A great film, will be remembered.

7. (tie) Seven/The Game
    David Fincher is next Hitchcock, his rollercoaster performances and
haunting stories are great films.  A true master-in-the-making.

8.  Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
    Hilarious Terry Gilliam-Johnny Depp vehicle is a fun movie to watch,
and a great film to behold.

9.  (tie) Alien/The Shining
    Two horror classics from two masters of the film art, capitalize on
the unseen and the unkown to draw an audience.

10.  The Evil Dead Trilogy]
    Ironic horror satires unlike any other films out there.  Bruce Cambell
is the greatest.

OTHERS:
Clerks - Kevin Smith
Chasing Amy - Kevin Smith
Ed Wood - Tim Burton
Batman - Tim Burton
Full Metal Jacket - Stanley Kubrick
Eyes Wide Shut - Stanley Kubrick
South Park - Trey Parker
Lolita - Stanley Kubrick
Glen or Glenda - Ed Wood>>

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:05:00 -0700
From: David.Hoptman@wellpoint.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Summer's End

I think Van Damme,Steven Segall and almost all those big action stars are all
washed up!!!

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At 09:40 PM 8/22/99 EDT, SWObitwo@aol.com wrote:
>Hello there all you movie listers...or is it listee's?? anyhoo
>
>        I'm sad to report that's i've cought my last summer movie today
>
>Universal Soldier: the Return...
>It wasn't much compared to the original, but then again, the original isn't
>much compared to anything...ever

the incredible wonderment of "cyborg" is all the jean-claude van damme i'll
ever need ever again.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:31:53 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Martin" <garageinc@earthlink.net>
Subject: [MV] Lists and movies

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Well, I have never really posted to this list, so here is my top 10:


1. LA Confidential:
One of the finest cast performances I have ever seen. Kevin Spacey just =
takes that movie.
2. The Shinning:
My favorite Kubrick movie, hands down.
3. The Silence of The Lambs:=20
One of the few book based movies that are better than the book.
4. Schindler's List:
A once in a lifetime achievement for any director, unless you're Steven =
Spielberg
5. The Usual Suspects:
what can I say, I am a sucker for a good Spacey flick
6. The Manchurian Candidate
I don't know what it is about this film I like, but I like it, so =
there!!!
7. Trainspotting
Daring film! Good performances all around. Lock Stock is also great.
8. Pulp Fiction:
Samuel L Jackson deserved the attention that Travolta got!
9. The Full Monty:
A little film with more heart than a thousand Titanics
10. This is Spinal Tap
Need I say more? This one goes to 11


Jackie

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well, I have never really posted to this list, so =
here is my=20
top 10:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1. LA Confidential:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the finest cast performances I have ever =
seen. Kevin=20
Spacey just takes that movie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2. The Shinning:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My favorite Kubrick movie, hands down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3. The Silence of The Lambs: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the few book based movies that are better =
than the=20
book.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>4. Schindler's List:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A once in a lifetime achievement for any director, =
unless=20
you're Steven Spielberg</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>5. The Usual Suspects:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>what can I say, I am a sucker for a good Spacey=20
flick</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>6. The Manchurian Candidate</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't know what it is about this film I like, but =
I like it,=20
so there!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>7. Trainspotting</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Daring film! Good performances all around. Lock =
Stock is also=20
great.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>8. Pulp Fiction:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Samuel L Jackson deserved the attention that =
Travolta=20
got!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>9. The Full Monty:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A little film with more heart than a thousand=20
Titanics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>10. This is Spinal Tap</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Need I say more? This one goes to 11</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jackie</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 13:37:16 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [MV] Lists and movies

RE: Jacqueline Martin's "Top 10" list...  Excellent choices, Jackie!

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:39:54 -0700
From: "Jim Sweeney" <jsweeney@chrystal.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Lists and movies

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Were you in a "black" mood, Jackie?  I enjoyed all your favorite movies.

Jim

====LIVE IN SAN DIEGO? ==LOVE GOOD FILM?==FEEL LIKE YOU'RE MISSING OUT?====
As much as we salivate over all the screenings we hear about to the north,
some of us can't afford to commute to LA to get our film culture and would
appreciate local news and discussion from other film-lovers in the area.
Join "sd-film", a discussion list for film lovers in San Diego geared toward
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jacqueline Martin
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:32 PM
  To: movies@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: [MV] Lists and movies


  Well, I have never really posted to this list, so here is my top 10:


  1. LA Confidential:
  One of the finest cast performances I have ever seen. Kevin Spacey just
takes that movie.
  2. The Shinning:
  My favorite Kubrick movie, hands down.
  3. The Silence of The Lambs:
  One of the few book based movies that are better than the book.
  4. Schindler's List:
  A once in a lifetime achievement for any director, unless you're Steven
Spielberg
  5. The Usual Suspects:
  what can I say, I am a sucker for a good Spacey flick
  6. The Manchurian Candidate
  I don't know what it is about this film I like, but I like it, so there!!!
  7. Trainspotting
  Daring film! Good performances all around. Lock Stock is also great.
  8. Pulp Fiction:
  Samuel L Jackson deserved the attention that Travolta got!
  9. The Full Monty:
  A little film with more heart than a thousand Titanics
  10. This is Spinal Tap
  Need I say more? This one goes to 11


  Jackie

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movies.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D845403520-23081999></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D845403520-23081999>Jim</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D845403520-23081999></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D845403520-23081999>=3D=3D=3D=3DLIVE IN SAN DIEGO? =3D=3DLOVE =
GOOD FILM?=3D=3DFEEL LIKE=20
YOU'RE MISSING OUT?=3D=3D=3D=3D</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D845403520-23081999>As=20
much as we salivate over all the screenings we hear about to the north, =
some of=20
us can't afford to commute to LA to get our film culture and would =
appreciate=20
local news and discussion from other film-lovers in the area. Join =
"sd-film", a=20
discussion list for film lovers in San Diego geared toward rooting out =
the=20
quality film-going experience in America's finest city. To subscribe, =
head over=20
to <A=20
href=3D"http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/sd-film">http://www.onelist.=
com/subscribe.cgi/sd-film</A>.=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-movies@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]<B>On=20
  Behalf Of</B> Jacqueline Martin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 23, =
1999 1:32=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> movies@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [MV] =
Lists and=20
  movies<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well, I have never really posted to this list, so =
here is my=20
  top 10:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>1. LA Confidential:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the finest cast performances I have ever =
seen. Kevin=20
  Spacey just takes that movie.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>2. The Shinning:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>My favorite Kubrick movie, hands =
down.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>3. The Silence of The Lambs: </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the few book based movies that are better =
than the=20
  book.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>4. Schindler's List:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>A once in a lifetime achievement for any director, =
unless=20
  you're Steven Spielberg</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>5. The Usual Suspects:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>what can I say, I am a sucker for a good Spacey=20
  flick</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>6. The Manchurian Candidate</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't know what it is about this film I like, =
but I like=20
  it, so there!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>7. Trainspotting</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Daring film! Good performances all around. Lock =
Stock is=20
  also great.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>8. Pulp Fiction:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Samuel L Jackson deserved the attention that =
Travolta=20
  got!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>9. The Full Monty:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>A little film with more heart than a thousand=20
  Titanics</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>10. This is Spinal Tap</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Need I say more? This one goes to 11</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jackie</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:12:47 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Martin" <garageinc@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Lists and movies

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I think I was in a black mood because I wrote the list while at work. =
Makes sense.
My honorable mention:

Swimming With Sharks

Jackie
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jim Sweeney=20
  To: movies@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [MV] Lists and movies


  Were you in a "black" mood, Jackie?  I enjoyed all your favorite =
movies.
  =20
  Jim
  =20
  =3D=3D=3D=3DLIVE IN SAN DIEGO? =3D=3DLOVE GOOD FILM?=3D=3DFEEL LIKE =
YOU'RE MISSING OUT?=3D=3D=3D=3D
  As much as we salivate over all the screenings we hear about to the =
north, some of us can't afford to commute to LA to get our film culture =
and would appreciate local news and discussion from other film-lovers in =
the area. Join "sd-film", a discussion list for film lovers in San Diego =
geared toward rooting out the quality film-going experience in America's =
finest city. To subscribe, head over to =
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/sd-film.=20
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jacqueline Martin
    Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:32 PM
    To: movies@lists.xmission.com
    Subject: [MV] Lists and movies


    Well, I have never really posted to this list, so here is my top 10:


    1. LA Confidential:
    One of the finest cast performances I have ever seen. Kevin Spacey =
just takes that movie.
    2. The Shinning:
    My favorite Kubrick movie, hands down.
    3. The Silence of The Lambs:=20
    One of the few book based movies that are better than the book.
    4. Schindler's List:
    A once in a lifetime achievement for any director, unless you're =
Steven Spielberg
    5. The Usual Suspects:
    what can I say, I am a sucker for a good Spacey flick
    6. The Manchurian Candidate
    I don't know what it is about this film I like, but I like it, so =
there!!!
    7. Trainspotting
    Daring film! Good performances all around. Lock Stock is also great.
    8. Pulp Fiction:
    Samuel L Jackson deserved the attention that Travolta got!
    9. The Full Monty:
    A little film with more heart than a thousand Titanics
    10. This is Spinal Tap
    Need I say more? This one goes to 11


    Jackie

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I think I was in a black mood =
because I wrote=20
the list while at work. Makes sense.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My honorable mention:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Swimming With Sharks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Jackie</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:jsweeney@chrystal.com" =
title=3Djsweeney@chrystal.com>Jim=20
  Sweeney</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:movies@lists.xmission.com"=20
  title=3Dmovies@lists.xmission.com>movies@lists.xmission.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 23, 1999 =
1:39=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [MV] Lists and =
movies</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D845403520-23081999>Were=20
  you in a "black" mood, Jackie?&nbsp; I enjoyed all your favorite=20
  movies.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D845403520-23081999></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D845403520-23081999>Jim</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D845403520-23081999></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D845403520-23081999>=3D=3D=3D=3DLIVE IN SAN DIEGO? =3D=3DLOVE =
GOOD FILM?=3D=3DFEEL LIKE=20
  YOU'RE MISSING OUT?=3D=3D=3D=3D</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D845403520-23081999>As=20
  much as we salivate over all the screenings we hear about to the =
north, some=20
  of us can't afford to commute to LA to get our film culture and would=20
  appreciate local news and discussion from other film-lovers in the =
area. Join=20
  "sd-film", a discussion list for film lovers in San Diego geared =
toward=20
  rooting out the quality film-going experience in America's finest =
city. To=20
  subscribe, head over to <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/sd-film">http://www.onelist.=
com/subscribe.cgi/sd-film</A>.=20
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    owner-movies@lists.xmission.com=20
    [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> =
Jacqueline=20
    Martin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 23, 1999 1:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =

    movies@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [MV] Lists and=20
    movies<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well, I have never really posted to this list, =
so here is=20
    my top 10:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>1. LA Confidential:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the finest cast performances I have ever =
seen.=20
    Kevin Spacey just takes that movie.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>2. The Shinning:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>My favorite Kubrick movie, hands =
down.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>3. The Silence of The Lambs: </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>One of the few book based movies that are better =
than the=20
    book.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>4. Schindler's List:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>A once in a lifetime achievement for any =
director, unless=20
    you're Steven Spielberg</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>5. The Usual Suspects:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>what can I say, I am a sucker for a good Spacey=20
    flick</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>6. The Manchurian Candidate</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't know what it is about this film I like, =
but I like=20
    it, so there!!!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>7. Trainspotting</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Daring film! Good performances all around. Lock =
Stock is=20
    also great.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>8. Pulp Fiction:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Samuel L Jackson deserved the attention that =
Travolta=20
    got!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>9. The Full Monty:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>A little film with more heart than a thousand=20
    Titanics</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>10. This is Spinal Tap</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Need I say more? This one goes to =
11</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT =
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:31:24 -0700
From: gregorys@mail.xmission.com
Subject: [MV] OFF TOPIC: Pop Quiz

Scoring:

1-6   correct=average
7-12  correct=above average
13-18 correct=intelligent
more than 18 correct=genius

Example: 16 = O in a P
Answer: 16 Ounces in a Pound



1. 26 = L in the A
2. 7 = D of the W
3. 1001 = AN
4. 12 = S of the Z
5. 54 = C in a D (with J)
6. 9 = P in the SS
7. 88 = PK
8. 13 = S on the AF
9. 32 = D F at which W F
10. 18 = H on a G C
11. 90 = D in a R A
12. 200 = D for P G in M
13. 8 = S on SS
14. 3 = B M (S H T R)
15. 4 = Q in a G
16. 24 = H in a D
17. 1 = W on a U
18. 5 = D in a ZC
19. 57 = H V
20. 11 = P on a F T
21. 1000 = W that a P is W
22. 29 = D in F in a L Y
23. 64 = S on a C B
24. 40 = D and N of the G F
25. 50 = W to L Y L
26. 99 = B of B on the W
27. 60 = S in a M
28. 1 = H on a U
29. 9 = J on the S C
30. 7 = B for S B
31. 21 = D on a D
32. 7 = W of the A W
33. 1 = B B for E of U




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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 14:54:05 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [MV] OFF TOPIC: Pop Quiz

>1-6   correct=average
>7-12  correct=above average
>13-18 correct=intelligent
>more than 18 correct=genius

I got 25 in 15 minutes.  Beat that!
(Sent 'em to Gregory, so as not to spoil your fun.)

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:54:00 -0700
From: David.Hoptman@wellpoint.com
Subject: RE:[MV] WIld wild west

I thought Wild Wild West was HORRRRRIBBBLE! Who let this movie be made? Wasn't
Jim West a white guy?As far
as other TV show movies,I liked Mission Impossibe and Lost In Space.I also
didn't like The Avengers.


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I think movie goers are getting too big for their britches, we all seem
to want to see remakes of our favorite shows but when they arrive we boo
and hiss and say it was rubbish. In the last few years Mission
Impossible, Lost in Space, and now WWW have all been panned for a
multitude of reasons and yet the critics are all wrong as each of those
movies delivered exactly what they should have. I suppose when the
charlies angel's flick arrives we will all moan because it is so unlike
the original, that is the point isn't it to bring you back to the
carefree days of youth but at the same time they have to entertain the
audience we have become. could you imagine what LIS and WWW would have
been like if they had stayed true to the original ( and LIS was almost a
carbon copy of the first few episodes of the original series), and used
props and effects that were common at the time. they would have sucked
big banana's.
I don't know what people expect, I suppose the Phantom Menace showed that
a lot of the people who claim to be star wars fans really aren't or they
wouldn't have complained about TPM. I loved it and thought it couldn't
have possibly been any better and look forward to the next two with great
relish. So people who didn't like the movies I"ve listed above are more
likely just vocal fans of the original's rather than true fans who will
accept changes to an already successful formula.
Garrett

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