From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest) To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: movies-digest V2 #297 Reply-To: movies-digest Sender: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk movies-digest Monday, October 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 297 [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho [MV] Re: [MovieReview] RE: Movie Times and Psycho [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. RE: [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. RE: [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! [MV] Hollow Man / Low & High budget films. 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RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 [MV] Re: Hollow Man / Low & High [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho [MV] MEET THE PARENTS/TAO OF STEVE [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho Re: [MV] Re: TMP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:59:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho > I saw some comments about Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho (1960)and how Mr. > Hitchcock was telling in the ads that people should definitely show up on > time for that one (I recall in a documentary about Hitch seeing an ad where > he was pointing to his watch and there was a message that basically said > that !)... suggesting it would be good to arrive on time and not later when > the movie is nearly half over ... he was also to keep the ending a secret > of course, that was the first "SPOILER ALERT" hehe ! Actually, it was much more than a suggestion. The slogan for the film was "Nobody will be admitted after the feature has begun" (something like that). The studio made a big deal about it and even hired Pinkerton guards at some theaters to enforce the policy. It was all a marketing gimmick, of course. Also note that it was hardly the first film with a twist that could be spoiled. > It was just expected to go in and sit there whenever you felt like it in > those days !! I still say that's nuts. > Also a lot of people were unhappy that Janet Leigh was killed > so they were walking out, thinking ... "Oh why sit through the rest of the > film, the "star" is gone" ... rather intriguing ! Based on everything I've read and everyone I've talked too, this simply didn't happen. For one thing, it was obvious from the opening credits that Leigh wasn't the star (she's listed last: "And Janet Leigh as Marian Crane"). Note that Leigh was not exactly a huge name either. Certainly, people were surprised, but they weren't walking out en masse. If that were true the film would never have become such a runaway hit. > At least in those days there were no cell phones and people making fun of > the possessed girl in the Exorcist for example, laughing out loud, getting > into fights, etc. ... Yeah, but people were coming and going at will, which I imagine is still pretty distracting. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:38:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho > Sorry but the last person listed in the credits is often a pretty big > star, someone you can recognize ... people were shocked when she was killed > in the movie as they were expecting to see her for the entire time ... Name one movie where a big star has been listed in the end of the credits AND been the main character. It just doesn't happen. When a name star is at the end of the credits, they are always playing a smaller role. Besides, people weren't going to see PSYCHO to see Janet Leigh. They were going to see the latest Hitchcock film. Indeed, I would argue that Hitchcock is the only director in history (with the possible exception of Steven Spielberg) where the mainstream public went to see the films for the director rather than the actors. In fact, last year a film came out that had the biggest star listed last with the "And So-and-So" credit, just like Leigh in PSYCHO. That star was bigger (much bigger) in 1999 than Leigh was in 1960. Also, like in PSYCHO, that star's character got killed early on in a surprising way. Yet nobody walked out then saying "I can't believe they got rid of so-and-so!" [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:53:48 EDT From: Smokefeath@aol.com Subject: [MV] Re: [MovieReview] RE: Movie Times and Psycho In a message dated 10/05/2000 10:25:18 AM Central Daylight Time, Richardson.Paul@amstr.com writes: << Based on everything I've read and everyone I've talked too, this simply didn't happen. For one thing, it was obvious from the opening credits that Leigh wasn't the star (she's listed last: "And Janet Leigh as Marian Crane"). >> Not true. At the time of the film's release, Janet Leigh was promoted as the star of the film. It was done on purpose by Hitchcock because everyone knows the star of the movie doesn't get killed halfway through the film. It has only been later, when everyone knows about the shower scene, that Janet Leigh's credit listing was changed. But I saw "Psycho" the say it opened I can tell you I was shocked and suprised when Janet Leigh was killed because I was as conditioned as everyone that the star doesn't die that quickly. <> Yes, at this time, compared to the other people in the film, Janet Leigh was a very big name, not so much for her movie career, but for her private life. If you weren't around then, you didn't know that the movie industry was publicized a lot differently than it is today. There was a definite star "system" and the studios promoted these stars through all kinds of movie magazines. The love affair and subsequent marriage of two screen "stars"--in this case, Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis--was a very big deal. << Certainly, people were surprised, but they weren't walking out en masse. If that were true the film would never have become such a runaway hit. >> No one walked out of the film. In fact, just the opposite. The killing of Janet Leigh's character kept people nailed to their seats to see what in the hell was going to happen next. You also had to place the film in the context of the times. Look at Hitchcock's films just prior to "Psycho"--all nice color jobs with established stars like James Stewart and Cary Grant and Grace Kelly and Kim Novak. Then along comes what appears to be this cheapie black and white job and the only star of note in the entire film is Janet Leigh. At the time, it was very different, radical and came as a jolt. It's too bad that people today can't see that film in its original context. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:38:02 EDT From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. Hi ! I think Mr. Palminteri is a pretty good actor (He showed that in movies like "A Bronx Tale" "Hurlyburly" "Bullets over Broadway" "the usual suspects") and I think he appeared it pretty good films overall too, although he could have done better picking his roles in my opinion. I wouldn't go out of my way to see a film just because he is in the cast though but I like him a lot ! Any actors or actresses you would see basically anything they appeared in no matter what ?? I really like Ms. Emily Watson myself ... and Robert De Niro of course ... these are the two names that I think of first. Then there would be Christina Ricci, Reese Witherspoon, Edward Norton ... etc. - ------------------------------------------------------ Chazz Palminteri films I have seen, by order of preference. - - A Bronx tale - 1993 - 4/5 - - The usual suspects - 1995 - 3.5/5 - - Analyze this - 1999 - 3.5/5 - - Hurlyburly - 1998 - 3/5 - - Bullets over Broadway - 1994 - 3/5 - - Diabolique - 1996 - 3/5 - - Scar city - 1998 - 3/5 - - Mulholland falls - 1996 - 2.5/5 - - Jade - 1995 - 2.5/5 - - Stuart Little (voice) - 1999 - 2.5/5 (Only saw this one because I was at my brother-in-law's place and he happened to rent it for his nieces and nephews ... of course once the movie started, the "miniatures" weren't too interested and went to bed while all the grown-ups gathered and watched the film together !) - - Innocent blood - 1992 - 2.5/5 - - Excellent cadavers - 1999 - 2/5 Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------------------------ "The maple syrup is supposed to be on the table before the pancakes ..." Dustin Hoffman as "Raymond" "Rain man" - 1988 - 4/5 - ----------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:06:24 -0500 From: julie_klenko@pleasantco.com Subject: RE: [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. What a great question Marc! Myself, I would see anything with Al Pacino. I had a hard time with Devil's Advocate but no other big dissapointments come to mind. I read somewhere that he is creating a computer generated actress for an upcoming role? I realize that actors must put food on the table like the rest of us but it makes me crazy when an actor like Christopher Walken participates in such garbage as Blast from the Past. - -----Original Message----- From: Marc Desbiens [mailto:marcdesbiens@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:38 AM To: marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com Subject: [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. Hi ! I think Mr. Palminteri is a pretty good actor (He showed that in movies like "A Bronx Tale" "Hurlyburly" "Bullets over Broadway" "the usual suspects") and I think he appeared it pretty good films overall too, although he could have done better picking his roles in my opinion. I wouldn't go out of my way to see a film just because he is in the cast though but I like him a lot ! Any actors or actresses you would see basically anything they appeared in no matter what ?? I really like Ms. Emily Watson myself ... and Robert De Niro of course ... these are the two names that I think of first. Then there would be Christina Ricci, Reese Witherspoon, Edward Norton ... etc. - ------------------------------------------------------ Chazz Palminteri films I have seen, by order of preference. - - A Bronx tale - 1993 - 4/5 - - The usual suspects - 1995 - 3.5/5 - - Analyze this - 1999 - 3.5/5 - - Hurlyburly - 1998 - 3/5 - - Bullets over Broadway - 1994 - 3/5 - - Diabolique - 1996 - 3/5 - - Scar city - 1998 - 3/5 - - Mulholland falls - 1996 - 2.5/5 - - Jade - 1995 - 2.5/5 - - Stuart Little (voice) - 1999 - 2.5/5 (Only saw this one because I was at my brother-in-law's place and he happened to rent it for his nieces and nephews ... of course once the movie started, the "miniatures" weren't too interested and went to bed while all the grown-ups gathered and watched the film together !) - - Innocent blood - 1992 - 2.5/5 - - Excellent cadavers - 1999 - 2/5 Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------------------------ "The maple syrup is supposed to be on the table before the pancakes ..." Dustin Hoffman as "Raymond" "Rain man" - 1988 - 4/5 - ----------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 21:00:04 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: RE: [MV] Chazz Palminteri + Favorite actors. At 12.06 PM 06/10/2000 -0500, julie_klenko@pleasantco.com wrote: >What a great question Marc! Myself, I would see anything with Al Pacino. Pacino could read the phone book, and it would be worth seeing. >I realize that actors must put food on the table like the rest of us but it >makes me crazy when an actor like Christopher Walken participates in such >garbage as Blast from the Past. I have to disagree here. I actually thought Blast from the Past was watchable. Definately the best movie Brendan Fraser ever did (although I have not yet seen Gods and Monsters) The irony of that statement is forthcoming. (Comparing actor's movies) >From: Marc Desbiens [mailto:marcdesbiens@hotmail.com] >I think Mr. Palminteri is a pretty good actor (He showed that in movies like > >"A Bronx Tale" "Hurlyburly" "Bullets over Broadway" "the usual suspects") >and I think he appeared it pretty good films overall too, although he could >have done better picking his roles in my opinion. > >I wouldn't go out of my way to see a film just because he is in the cast >though but I like him a lot ! > >Any actors or actresses you would see basically anything they appeared in no > >matter what ?? I'd have to say Kevin Spacey is the best out there right now. The Usual Suspects, Hurlyburly (both he shared with Palminteri - Hurlyburly works best if you remember it is a stage play set to film), The Negotiator, American Beauty, not a bad one in the bunch. I'd consider Fraser the anti-Spacey, tho. And that ties into what I am telling my customers. Spacey's newest movie, The Big Kahuna, is very likely the WORST movie he ever made. And it is STILL better than 99% of all movies out there:-) Compare Blast from the Past, Fraser's best movie, with Big Kahuna, Spacey's worse movie. I don't think I have to tell you which I'd rather watch:-) Regards, - --Mel - --Mel Eperthener president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty http://www.webz.com/gowanna mailto:bcassidy@usaor.net mailto:gowanna@australiamail.com 419 Butler Street PO Box 95184 Pittsburgh, PA 15223-0184 (412) 781-6140 (412) 781-6380 1-888-45-GOWANNA -- TOLL FREE (1-888-454-6926) ____________________________________________ "Wow! So that is what all that extra space on the movie screen is for!" reaction to "Gladiator" ______________________________________________ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 03:45:01 EDT From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Ok, here are the Bond films I have seen by order of preference ... The only one I haven't seen yet is "Never say never again" ... which is a remake of "Thunderball" to which I gave 3.5/5 so I assume I would like that one as well ! that would make it 13 Bond films out of 20 that I rank at 3/5 or more (65%) Pretty good, although I haven't like any of them enough to go as high as 4/5. - -------------------------------------------------------- 1- The spy who loved me - 1977 - 3.5/5 Moore 2- For your eyes only - 1981 - 3.5/5 Moore 3- Goldeneye - 1995 - 3.5/5 Brosnan 4- Thunderball - 1965 - 3.5/5 Connery 5- You only live twice - 1967 - 3.5/5 Connery 6- The living daylights - 1987 - 3.5/5 Dalton 7- Octopussy - 1983 - 3/5 Moore 8- Goldfinger - 1964 - 3/5 Connery 9- License to kill - 1989 - 3/5 Dalton 10-The world is not enough - 1999 - 3/5 Brosnan 11-Tomorrow never dies - 1997 - 3/5 Brosnan 12-A view to a kill - 1985 - 3/5 Moore - ------------------------------------------------- 13-The man with the golden gun - 1975 - 2.5/5 Moore 14-Dr. No - 1962 - 2/5 Connery 15-Moonraker - 1979 - 2/5 Moore 16-Live and let die - 1973 - 2/5 Moore 17-From Russia with Love - 1963 - 1.5/5 Connery 18-Diamonds are forever - 1971 - 1.5/5 Connery 19-On her majesty's secret service - 1969 - 1/5 Lazenby (Note : I only saw the first hour though ... I should see entirely in a little while, 1/5 for the moment.) - ----------------------------------------------------- Ratings : Moore films - ---------------------- 3.5 - 3.5 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 2 - 2 Average : 2.8/5 Ratings : Connery films - ----------------------- 3.5 - 3.5 - 3 - 2 - 1.5 - 1.5 Average : 2.5/5 This doesn't mean I think Moore is a better actor than Connery ... But on average, I gave slightly better ratings to the Moore films. Connery is certainly a very good James Bond indeed, how can he be in a really good Bond film like "Thunderball" and in a really bad one like "Diamonds are forever" though ?? Lacks "consistancy" ! ;o) Bond films from the '60s - ------------------------ 3.5 - 3.5 - 3 - 2 - 1.5 - 1 Average : 2.4/5 Bond films from the '70s - ------------------------ 3.5 - 2.5 - 2 - 2 Average : 2.5/5 Bond films from the '80s - ------------------------ 3.5 - 3.5 - 3 - 3 - 3 Average : 3.2/5 Bond films from the '90s - ------------------------ 3.5 - 3 - 3 Average : 3.1/5 Not a surprise here as I gave higher ratings on average to the more "modern" films from the '80s and '90s ... I think those from the '60s were not so bad though even if on average they get the lowest scores... that 1/5 from "On her majesty's secret service" is certainly not helping, without that low score the films from the 60's would be higher than the films from the 70's ! Top 3 Moore films (A bit on the "silly" side often but since I grew up in the late 70's and early 80's I am rather fond of his films !) I must have seen "For your eyes only" 367 times in the early 80's (Exaggerating for effect !) - ----------------------------------------------------- The spy who loved me - 1977 - 3.5/5 For your eyes only - 1981 - 3.5/5 Octopussy - 1983 - 3/5 Top 3 Connery films (Love his "Cat-like" walk, but I don't like "Dr. No" of "From Russia with love" as much as most people ...) - ----------------------------------------------------- Thunderball - 1965 - 3.5/5 You only live twice - 1967 - 3.5/5 Goldfinger - 1964 - 3/5 Favorite title songs : Random order - ----------------------------------- For your eyes only - 1981 Live and let die - 1973 Thunderball - 1965 Goldeneye - 1995 Goldfinger - 1964 Title song from "You only live twice" - 1967 Favorite Villains - --------------------- Auric Goldfinger (Goldfinger) Ernst Blofeld (Donald Pleasance, You only live twice) Favorite Bond girls : Random order - -------------------- Barbara Bach from "The spy who loved me" (Major Amorosova) Akiko Wakabayashi from "You only live twice" Honor Blackman from "Goldfinger" (Pussy Galore !) Michelle Yeoh from "Tomorrow never dies" (Wai lin) Scariest moment - ---------------- - - When Bond strapped to the table as that laser is slowly approaching the "Crown jewels" in "Goldfinger" ... Best line by a VILLAIN - ----------------------- Bond : "Do you expect me to talk ?" Goldfinger : "No, I expect you to DIE !" Your choices ?? Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------------------------ "The maple syrup is supposed to be on the table before the pancakes ..." Dustin Hoffman as "Raymond" "Rain man" - 1988 - 4/5 - ----------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:20:06 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! 1- The spy who loved me - 1977 - 3.5/5 Moore 2- For your eyes only - 1981 - 3.5/5 Moore 3- Goldeneye - 1995 - 3.5/5 Brosnan 4- Thunderball - 1965 - 3.5/5 Connery 5- You only live twice - 1967 - 3.5/5 Connery 6- The living daylights - 1987 - 3.5/5 Dalton 7- Octopussy - 1983 - 3/5 Moore 8- Goldfinger - 1964 - 3/5 Connery 9- License to kill - 1989 - 3/5 Dalton 10-The world is not enough - 1999 - 3/5 Brosnan 11-Tomorrow never dies - 1997 - 3/5 Brosnan 12-A view to a kill - 1985 - 3/5 Moore - ------------------------------------------------- 13-The man with the golden gun - 1975 - 2.5/5 Moore 14-Dr. No - 1962 - 2/5 Connery 15-Moonraker - 1979 - 2/5 Moore 16-Live and let die - 1973 - 2/5 Moore 17-From Russia with Love - 1963 - 1.5/5 Connery 18-Diamonds are forever - 1971 - 1.5/5 Connery 19-On her majesty's secret service - 1969 - 1/5 Lazenby (Note : I only saw the first hour though ... I should see entirely in a little while, 1/5 for the moment.) Lazenby was a bad actor, i did'nt like that movie at all.diamons are forever are cool though. Moonraker really sucked for me. Goldeneye was cool, so was the living daylights and license to kill. I forget most of what i have seen from each movie though. - -/Jed msn messenger:jedcross@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:22:48 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Barbara Bach from "The spy who loved me" (Major Amorosova) Akiko Wakabayashi from "You only live twice" Honor Blackman from "Goldfinger" (Pussy Galore !) Michelle Yeoh from "Tomorrow never dies" (Wai lin) Yeah, i liked that second girl in the world is not enough. I forget the rest of em though, and i wonder, should'nt bond have any diseases(From you know what) - -Jed _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:24:49 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! Best line by a VILLAIN - ----------------------- Bond : "Do you expect me to talk ?" Goldfinger : "No, I expect you to DIE !" Your choices ?? Marc ;o) Mine is not by a villain, it's more from a good guy, just about every line that Q(Desmond llewyin) said to bond, like OH GROW UP 007. - -jeD _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:26:50 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! In a message dated 10/08/2000 8:21:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << Lazenby was a bad actor, i did'nt like that movie at all.diamons are forever are cool though. Moonraker really sucked for me. Goldeneye was cool, so was the living daylights and license to kill. I forget most of what i have seen from each movie though. >> I might as well give my feedback, although I can't say much (I've only seen four Bond movies). I've seen the three by Brosnan and Goldfinger. In order of preference: 1: Goldeneye 2: Goldfinger 3: The World is Not Enough 4: Tomorrow Never Dies All very entertaining movies; all recommended. And, as of now, Superstation (a cable channel) is having a special called fifteen days of Bond. I should check out some classic Bond, as I've only seen one. - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:34:30 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! In a message dated 10/08/2000 8:23:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << Yeah, i liked that second girl in the world is not enough. I forget the rest of em though, and i wonder, should'nt bond have any diseases(From you know what) -Jed >> Denise Richards? Her only purpose was eye candy (all guys know what I mean). I didn't see very much talent on her part. Sophie Marceau was many times better than her. Michelle Yeoh was good in Tomorrow Never Dies. I'd have to say, though, Izabella Scorupco (Natalya of Goldeneye) is, thus far, my favorite Bond girl. - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:40:14 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! In a message dated 10/08/2000 8:25:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << Mine is not by a villain, it's more from a good guy, just about every line that Q (Desmond Llewelyn) said to bond, like OH GROW UP 007. -Jed >> By a villain, either the one Marc posted about Goldfinger or Alec's line: "Why can't you just be a good boy and die?" Pierce's response was very cool, as well: "You first, you second.... UP!!!!" And, yes, Desmond Llewelyn had some of the best lines. My favorite of his is when, in Goldeneye, he entered the scene in a wheelchair and cast. Bond: "Oh, Q, sorry about the leg. Skiing?" Rocket shoots out. Q: "Hunting." - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:47:35 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [MV] Bond films ... The **final** list ! All very entertaining movies; all recommended. And, as of now, Superstation (a cable channel) is having a special called fifteen days of Bond. I should check out some classic Bond, as I've only seen one. - -Eric- I remember superstation, WTBS right? I had it, but we switched package wityh our satelite company(STarchoice) and now we get bronze. they have that 15 days of 007 once a year or something. - -Jed _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:49:46 EDT From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Hollow Man / Low & High budget films. Yes, this movie looks so-so ... good for a video rental, nothing more probably ... I would expect between 2 and 3 out of 5 on that one ... Graham, I disagree about your comments that a film with a nice big budget is a sign that a movie will be good though ... You can make an excellent movie with very little money and you can make an awful one with a huge budget as well (Example : Wild wild west, Waterworld) ... Money as nothing to do with the quality of a film in my opinion ... Money, fancy graphics, special effects, stunts, big name actors ... that doesn't replace talent or imagination, technical skills, knowing how to tell a good story ... In fact I tend to like more the films that have a low budget in general over the ones that have a huge budget ... Among my Top 10 favorite films of 1999 maybe 7 had a small or medium budget (less than 10M$) I gave 4.5/5 to the Blair witch project for example ... and that was made for about 30,000$ ??? Having less money means no fancy stunts or graphics like in "The Phantom menace" but the movie was much more effective and interesting in my opinion. Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------------------------- Graham wrote: I was really looking forward to seeing Hollow Man. Paul Verhoeven (can even HE spell that right?), Kevin Bacon, good budget, great effects...it seemingly had everything going for it, but man what a disappointment! What would YOU do if you didn't have to look at yourself in the mirror anymore? Ooooh, I'd probably just ruffle a couple of peoples hair, and voyeur my neighbour...like I'd already been doing for the first half of the film before i was even invisible! Then how would I try and evade detection, and escape? Well I'd return to an enclosed basement, where everyone knew how to see me, & had the equipment to track me! For Christ's sake, did anyone read the script before they started shooting? Did they even have one!? Should have been THE movie event of the Summer...was the limpest pair of pants since Batman & Robin...now don't even get me started on that topic! So did anyone actually like it? Graham _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:36:41 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [MV] Hollow Man / Low & High budget films. 4.5/5 to the Blair witch project for example ... and that was made for about 30,000$ ??? Having less money means no fancy stunts or graphics like in "The Phantom menace" but the movie was much more effective and interesting in my opinion. Marc ;o) The phantom menace was great, but i mean, the blair witch project probaly made the most profit out of em all, i have not seen that one yet though, and waterworld, they spent way too much on it, i wonder if they made a profit? - -jed _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:52:34 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Hollow Man / Low & High budget films. In a message dated 10/08/2000 9:37:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << The phantom menace was great, but i mean, the blair witch project probaly made the most profit out of em all, i have not seen that one yet though, and waterworld, they spent way too much on it, i wonder if they made a profit? -jed >> I haven't seen Blair Witch either, but I should some time. The Phantom Menace, IMO, was very disappointing. The story was OK, but the actors.... uh, no. Sorry, but not one of them did, what I would call, a spectacular job, especially with what I've come to expect of Star Wars. Jake Lloyd was especially terrible, and, really, I hated the scene where he destroys the spaceship by accident. "I'll hide in this ship. Uh oh, I better help my friends. Oops, I turned the ship on. Oh no, it's on autopilot. Oh, I'm in a battle." Ugh. Granted, the lightsaber battle was incredibly well done, but that was the only scene that was really worth all the hype. I'm hoping Episode 2 will be better, or this franchise is in trouble. (IMO) - -Eric- knows he's getting a bad reply from Dex on this one. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 01:15:45 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [MV] Hollow Man / Low & High budget films. I haven't seen Blair Witch either, but I should some time. The Phantom Menace, IMO, was very disappointing. The story was OK, but the actors.... uh, no. Sorry, but not one of them did, what I would call, a spectacular job, especially with what I've come to expect of Star Wars. Jake Lloyd was especially terrible, and, really, I hated the scene where he destroys the spaceship by accident. "I'll hide in this ship. Uh oh, I better help my friends. Oops, I turned the ship on. Oh no, it's on autopilot. Oh, I'm in a battle." Ugh. Granted, the lightsaber battle was incredibly well done, but that was the only scene that was really worth all the hype. I'm hoping Episode 2 will be better, or this franchise is in trouble. (IMO) - -Eric- knows he's getting a bad reply from Dex on this one. Episode 2 should be in theatrest by next spring I think - -JEd _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 01:22:11 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Hollow Man / Low & High budget films. In a message dated 10/08/2000 10:17:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << Episode 2 should be in theatrest by next spring I think -JEd >> Nah, they said three years in between. In other words, we'll be getting 2 in 2002, and 3 in 2005. - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:35:34 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho hmmmmmmm the "And so-and-so" star wasn't Anne Heche in Psycho 1999 was it? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Richardson.Paul@amstr.com [SMTP:Richardson.Paul@amstr.com] > Sent: 05 October 2000 17:38 > To: movies@egroups.com; movies@xmission.com; movies@leben.com; > MovieReview@cuenet.com; film@egroups.com > Subject: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho > > > Sorry but the last person listed in the credits is often a pretty > big > > star, someone you can recognize ... people were shocked when she was > killed > > in the movie as they were expecting to see her for the entire time > ... > > Name one movie where a big star has been listed in the end of the > credits AND > been the main character. It just doesn't happen. When a name star is > at the > end of the credits, they are always playing a smaller role. Besides, > people > weren't going to see PSYCHO to see Janet Leigh. They were going to > see the > latest Hitchcock film. Indeed, I would argue that Hitchcock is the > only > director in history (with the possible exception of Steven Spielberg) > where > the mainstream public went to see the films for the director rather > than the > actors. > > In fact, last year a film came out that had the biggest star listed > last with > the "And So-and-So" credit, just like Leigh in PSYCHO. That star was > bigger > (much bigger) in 1999 than Leigh was in 1960. Also, like in PSYCHO, > that > star's character got killed early on in a surprising way. Yet nobody > walked > out then saying "I can't believe they got rid of so-and-so!" > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:33:38 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 So let me get this right, you see movies based on their titles??? GET FREAKING REAL!! Are you telling me you would miss out on films like "FARGO" or "Rivers Edge" because they don't have 2 or 3 syllable snappy titles? That is the most unfathomably STUPID way of vetting a film. MAN, I DON'T EVER WANT TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN - YOU ARE AN INSULT TO THIS LIST MARK > -----Original Message----- > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > Sent: 08 October 2000 01:53 > To: MARK@zippack.co.uk > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > I guess "O Brother Where Art Thou" and "Billy Elliot" are movies that > have > pretty plan titles which don't catch my eye. You need to see "Casino" > or > "GoodFellas" now those are classic that everyone needs to see at least > once. > Robert DeNiro and Joe Pecei make a great team. > > > >From: MARK > >To: 'zachary rivera' > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > >Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:07:36 +0100 > > > >WHATTT!!!!!!!! pretty old - get REAL!! "O Brother" and "Billy > Elliot" > >are new releases, you guys in the states don't have em yet. > > > >As for Sleeping with The Enemy - hahahahahahahahahahahaha > > > >you ARE winding me up, aren't you? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: 05 October 2000 18:36 > > > To: MARK@zippack.co.uk > > > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > Hey Mark what kind of movies are those? They sound to be pretty > old. > > > Have > > > you seen the movie Sleeping with the Enemy? Now that is a great > movie > > > if > > > you like movies with suspence. Its with Julia Roberts and some > psycho > > > who > > > is stacking her, well I won't tell you about the whole > movie....... > > > > > > > > > >From: MARK > > > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > >To: "'movies@lists.xmission.com'" , > > > >"'movies@xmission.com'" > > > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:42:00 +0100 > > > > > > > >either "O Brother Where Art Thou?" or "Billy Elliot" > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: ILLSLEY, KENNETH > > > [SMTP:BCC055200@acad.sunybroome.edu] > > > > > Sent: 04 October 2000 00:57 > > > > > To: 'movies@xmission.com' > > > > > Subject: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > What is the Best movie out there! > > > > > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message > "unsubscribe > > > ] > > > > > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > > > ] > > > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe > ] > > > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ___ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:54:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] Re: Hollow Man / Low & High > The Phantom Menace, IMO, was very disappointing. The story was > OK, but the actors.... uh, no. Sorry, but not one of them did, > what I would call, a spectacular job, especially with what I've > come to expect of Star Wars. You've come to expect good acting from STAR WARS? Let's face it, the original trilogy was carried by Mark Hamill whose performance as Luke Skywalker was so wooden that the Sierra Club has named him a national treasure. Carrie Fisher was so high on drugs that a good performance was impossible. Harrison Ford looks embarassed to be part of the films at all. >I'm hoping Episode 2 will be better, or this franchise is in trouble. Why? TPM did great with a lousy script and bad acting. Episode 2 could consist of nothing more than George Lucas reading his shopping list and it would still gross hundreds of millions of dollars. Never underestimate the power of the fanboy. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:58:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho >> In fact, last year a film came out that had the biggest star >> listed last with the "And So-and-So" credit, just like Leigh >> in PSYCHO. That star was bigger (much bigger) in 1999 than >> Leigh was in 1960. > hmmmmmmm the "And so-and-so" star wasn't Anne Heche in > Psycho 1999 was it? :) No. That was obvious, so there would have been no reason for me to be veiled. Also, PSYCHO came out in 1998...I'm thinking of a 1999 picture with a star who is a lot bigger than Heche or Leigh every were. I'm trying to be vague to avoid giving a spoiler for the film in question. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: 09 Oct 00 17:19:06 +0100 From: RICHARD BENJAMIN Subject: RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho Trying to be 'veiled' here. Does the 'star' in question die after giving a long-winded, tongue-in-cheek, morale boosting speech? Richardson.Paul wrote: >>> In fact, last year a film came out that had the biggest star >>> listed last with the "And So-and-So" credit, just like Leigh >>> in PSYCHO. That star was bigger (much bigger) in 1999 than >>> Leigh was in 1960. > >> hmmmmmmm the "And so-and-so" star wasn't Anne Heche in >> Psycho 1999 was it? :) > >No. That was obvious, so there would have been no reason for me to be veiled. > Also, PSYCHO came out in 1998...I'm thinking of a 1999 picture with a star >who is a lot bigger than Heche or Leigh every were. 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No man is good enough for any other man's daughter. Every man knows this, so meeting the father of your girlfriend and/or fiancee for the first time can be absolutely terrifying. MEET THE PARENTS takes this fear and raises it to comic heights, with great results. Greg (Ben Stiller) is perfectly content with his life and his job as a nurse. However, he knows that he'll have to be on his best behavior with Jack (Robert DeNiro), his perspective father-in-law who by all accounts wants the best for his daughter. Of course, the harder Greg tries to please Jack, the worse he ends up looking. Things gradually progress from social faux paus to outright destruction as Greg digs himself deeper and deeper into Jack's disapproval. I don't want to spoil the jokes in the film by laying them out here, but rest assured: most are very very funny, especially in the first part of the film. As things get worse and worse, the humor goes a bit over-the-top and isn't quite as hilarious. Still, overall the film is a very entertaining comedy and worth seeing for a laugh. Recommended. *** Dex (Donal Logue) is the ultimate slacker. He smokes pot for breakfast, only works part time teaching Kindergarden, and spends most of his time lazing about and drinking beer. He's scruffy and very overweight. However, Dex has one unique talent: he has no problem getting girls. In fact, he's been with so many he has problems remembering names...if he even remembers the girl at all. How does Dex do it? The "Tao of Steve." Through the course of the film, we watch Dex teach a young protege his secrets of seducing women, which amount to one base axiom ("We pursue that which retreats from us.") At the same time, we watch Dex face his greatest challenge as he finds himself falling in love for the first time with Syd (Greer Goodman). The results are predictable, but the execution of the film (as well as the fine acting and script) overcome the color-by-numbers plot. While, it's not as funny as MEET THE PARENTS, it certainly is deeper...and therefore the better film. Highly recommended. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:30:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho > Trying to be 'veiled' here. Does the 'star' in question die > after giving a long-winded, tongue-in-cheek, morale boosting > speech? Yep. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:22:02 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Re: TMP In a message dated 10/09/2000 8:54:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Richardson.Paul@amstr.com writes: << > The Phantom Menace, IMO, was very disappointing. The story was > OK, but the actors.... uh, no. Sorry, but not one of them did, > what I would call, a spectacular job, especially with what I've > come to expect of Star Wars. You've come to expect good acting from STAR WARS? Let's face it, the original trilogy was carried by Mark Hamill whose performance as Luke Skywalker was so wooden that the Sierra Club has named him a national treasure. Carrie Fisher was so high on drugs that a good performance was impossible. Harrison Ford looks embarassed to be part of the films at all. >I'm hoping Episode 2 will be better, or this franchise is in trouble. Why? TPM did great with a lousy script and bad acting. Episode 2 could consist of nothing more than George Lucas reading his shopping list and it would still gross hundreds of millions of dollars. Never underestimate the power of the fanboy. >> I don't know why so many say the acting in the original trilogy was bad. Of course, I'm speaking from the point of view I had when I saw it at 12. However, the acting in TMP was worse than anything in the original trilogy (at least give me that). The reason I put the IMO after my last statement was because, in my own point of view, the Star Wars franchise would not be as appealing as it once was. TMP hurt my view on Star Wars as it is, so the next one better be an improvement. I didn't mean that it would stop people from seeing it. I mean, Star Wars has such a huge following that it'll probably be making money for another 20 years. Plus, I know many that saw TMP and liked what they saw, it's definitely going to stick around. - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of movies-digest V2 #297 **************************** [ To quit the movies-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe movies-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]