From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest) To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: movies-digest V2 #298 Reply-To: movies-digest Sender: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk movies-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 298 Re: [MV] Re: TPM [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films [MV] Movie seen in Nice, France in June 1974 Re: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films [MV] Re: Good horror films RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 [MV] Re: Good horror films RE: [MV] Re: Good horror films RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 RE: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho RE: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films [MV] Re: Blair Witch Project RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 1 [MV] Remember the titans Re: [MV] Remember the titans Re: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 Re: [MV] Remember the titans [MV] The war zone - 1999 RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:33:31 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Re: TPM In a message dated 10/09/2000 10:27:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: << the acting in TMP >> Meant TPM. Dammit. :o [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:11:40 EDT From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films ***** No worries, Barbara .. contrarely to some people I don't resort to name-calling when someone disagrees with me, I try to explain my point of view instead ! ... I know The Blair Witch project was loved (and hated !) by a lot of people ... I thought it was a great horror film and I did find it very scary ... I just saw it again a week ago (My 2nd time seeing that one !) and I was scared, what can I tell you ... cranking up the speakers of the surround system and listening to those "sounds" ... Contrarely to you I identified with those people ... being lost and losing track of where they are ... running out of food and water ... hearing sounds late at night ... I thought it was excellent in fact ... except maybe for the swearing ... they should have cut down on it a bit ... I usually don't mind but I felt in that one it was a bit overwhelming in part (especially in the first third of the film ... I can understand someone swearing and being frustrated later on ...) There is this guy that I always agree with .. well .. maybe 80 or 90% of the times we agree if a film is good or bad ... and on BWP we disagree strongly ... I think it is very effective and scary and he found it boring and silly ... I say 4.5/5 .. he says 2/5 ... so this is a film that is a bit different than the other ones out there, lots of different opinions. Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------- Fine, except for The Blair Witch Scam. How could anyone have found it scary? It was a non-story. They set it in 1993 because in 1998 or whenever, the people would have had cell phones and there'd have been even less plot than there was. They were unreal and impossible to identify with or be scared for. I felt really ripped off after seeing that movie. Now I'll sit back and wait for the flames. Barbara - ----------------------------------------------------- Marc Desbiens wrote: > > I'll make this a top "6" .. ok ?? Good horror films, off the top of my head ... > > 1- The shining > 2- The Blair witch project > 3- Scream > 4- The exorcist > 5- Jaws > 6- Halloween > > Marc ;o) > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:42:59 -0400 From: Enrique Bird Subject: [MV] Movie seen in Nice, France in June 1974 Friends: In June, 1974 a group of colleagues and myself found ourselves in Nice, France for the World Chess Olympiad. In one of the off days, we went to wath a movie, in a theatre which was to one accustomed to mainstream Hollywood movies up to that time quite shocking. As it was in French, with no subtitles, and me with very limited knowledge of the language, I did not even understand most of what went on, except for some of the shocking details: *** WARNING: Sorry, contains some explicit language - do not scroll if you are not comfortable with this; I personally also find it still shocking *** * near the beginning, a man and a woman are in a room and the man, as far as I remember, undresses to his boxers. I do not remember if this was an after wedding or an affair or what, but the man then procedes to either take off his boxers or merely take out his penis, which is large and circumcised. The womand proceeds to scream and I do not remember how it proceeded. * somehere after the middle, and am not sure if preceding or following the next detail, a young lady is seated in a wooeden chair. A peasant man stands to her right. I believe, but am bit surem that others are to his right. There might have been others seating in the table. The lady inserts her hand into the crotch area of the man standing next to her and takes out a limp (I think), uncircumcised penis. She caresses it or something for a while; I do not remember if she used her mouth but seem to faintly recall the scene as, curiously non-erotic. As if she was caressing a child's hand? * maybe before or after the previous scene and maybe the same woman: she and a man are both naked, although, if remembering correct, no intimate parts displayed, and in a stable or something, with some sort of gray hay. They mix themselves with it and laugh and play a lot. Then she takes a knife and plunges it into his belly; at first, he laughs, as his parts come out, and mix with the hay. But he soon realizes he is dying and screams in horror before dying. I do not remember anything else; these parts, the frontal exposure of male nudity and the graphic, horrific violence, always stuck in my mind. Although I doubt that I would care to see it again, I would like to know its title, any fame it night have (a friend who took is commented then something about the famous director or whatever), and, please, a plot summary! Can anyone help? Sorry for any discomfort! Enrique [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:51:45 MDT From: "zachary rivera" Subject: Re: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films YEAH THE "BLAIR WITCH PROJECT" WAS THE DUMBEST MOVIE THAT WAS ADVERTISED TO THE FULLEST IN ORDER TO TRICK EVERYONE INTO SEEING THAT STUPID MOVIE!!!!! >From: "Marc Desbiens" >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com >To: marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com >Subject: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:11:40 EDT > > >***** No worries, Barbara .. contrarely to some people I don't resort to >name-calling when someone disagrees with me, I try to explain my point of >view instead ! ... I know The Blair Witch project was loved (and hated !) >by >a lot of people ... > >I thought it was a great horror film and I did find it very scary ... I >just >saw it again a week ago (My 2nd time seeing that one !) and I was scared, >what can I tell you ... cranking up the speakers of the surround system and >listening to those "sounds" ... > >Contrarely to you I identified with those people ... being lost and losing >track of where they are ... running out of food and water ... hearing >sounds >late at night ... I thought it was excellent in fact ... except maybe for >the swearing ... they should have cut down on it a bit ... I usually don't >mind but I felt in that one it was a bit overwhelming in part (especially >in >the first third of the film ... I can understand someone swearing and being >frustrated later on ...) > >There is this guy that I always agree with .. well .. maybe 80 or 90% of >the >times we agree if a film is good or bad ... and on BWP we disagree strongly >... I think it is very effective and scary and he found it boring and silly >... I say 4.5/5 .. he says 2/5 ... so this is a film that is a bit >different >than the other ones out there, lots of different opinions. > >Marc ;o) > >------------------------------------- > >Fine, except for The Blair Witch Scam. How could anyone have found it >scary? It was a non-story. They set it in 1993 because in 1998 or >whenever, the people would have had cell phones and there'd have been >even less plot than there was. They were unreal and impossible to >identify with or be scared for. > >I felt really ripped off after seeing that movie. > >Now I'll sit back and wait for the flames. > >Barbara > >----------------------------------------------------- > >Marc Desbiens wrote: > > > > I'll make this a top "6" .. ok ?? > >Good horror films, off the top of my head ... > > > > 1- The shining > > 2- The Blair witch project > > 3- Scream > > 4- The exorcist > > 5- Jaws > > 6- Halloween > > > > Marc ;o) > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:06:02 -0700 From: "David F. Nolan" Subject: [MV] Re: Good horror films I would say that although it's usually thought of as a sci-fi flick, the original "Alien" is really a horror movie, and a damned good one! Likewise the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and the original "Night of the Living Dead." And of course, any list of great horror movies has to include "Psycho" and "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:12:51 MDT From: "zachary rivera" Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 You got me all wrong! Those titles I have never heard of so I'm not going to the movies to see a movie I have never seen the previews of. "Fargo" was decient, but "Rivers Edge" was a great movie. Don't you know in most cases like "Jurassic Park" for example they spent more money on advertising the movie then they did actually making the movie. Look at how much that movie made far more than "O Bother All Now" and "Billy Idiot". >From: MARK >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com >To: movies@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:33:38 +0100 > >So let me get this right, you see movies based on their titles??? GET >FREAKING REAL!! > >Are you telling me you would miss out on films like "FARGO" or "Rivers >Edge" because they don't have 2 or 3 syllable snappy titles? That is >the most unfathomably STUPID way of vetting a film. > >MAN, I DON'T EVER WANT TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN - YOU ARE AN INSULT TO THIS >LIST > >MARK > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 08 October 2000 01:53 > > To: MARK@zippack.co.uk > > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > I guess "O Brother Where Art Thou" and "Billy Elliot" are movies that > > have > > pretty plan titles which don't catch my eye. You need to see "Casino" > > or > > "GoodFellas" now those are classic that everyone needs to see at least > > once. > > Robert DeNiro and Joe Pecei make a great team. > > > > > > >From: MARK > > >To: 'zachary rivera' > > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > >Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:07:36 +0100 > > > > > >WHATTT!!!!!!!! pretty old - get REAL!! "O Brother" and "Billy > > Elliot" > > >are new releases, you guys in the states don't have em yet. > > > > > >As for Sleeping with The Enemy - hahahahahahahahahahahaha > > > > > >you ARE winding me up, aren't you? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: 05 October 2000 18:36 > > > > To: MARK@zippack.co.uk > > > > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > Hey Mark what kind of movies are those? They sound to be pretty > > old. > > > > Have > > > > you seen the movie Sleeping with the Enemy? Now that is a great > > movie > > > > if > > > > you like movies with suspence. Its with Julia Roberts and some > > psycho > > > > who > > > > is stacking her, well I won't tell you about the whole > > movie....... > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: MARK > > > > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > > >To: "'movies@lists.xmission.com'" , > > > > >"'movies@xmission.com'" > > > > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:42:00 +0100 > > > > > > > > > >either "O Brother Where Art Thou?" or "Billy Elliot" > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: ILLSLEY, KENNETH > > > > [SMTP:BCC055200@acad.sunybroome.edu] > > > > > > Sent: 04 October 2000 00:57 > > > > > > To: 'movies@xmission.com' > > > > > > Subject: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the Best movie out there! > > > > > > > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message > > "unsubscribe > > > > ] > > > > > > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe > > ] > > > > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > > ] > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ___ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > > at > > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ___ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:18:01 -0500 From: Diane Christy Subject: [MV] Re: Good horror films At 6:06 PM -0700 10/9/00, David F. Nolan wrote: > And of course, any list of great horror movies has to >include "Psycho" and "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." I love "Psycho". Anyone seen the re-release of "The Exorcist"? I'm leery because I loved it so much. I can't see what they could add to it to make it better. I'm afraid they would ruin it. - -- ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/diane507/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net ICQ #12904700 on Instant AOL Messenger ~~~~~ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:45:24 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] Re: Good horror films Thoroughly agree with you, just because of its setting it doesn't make it a sci-fi film. Alien would rank as my all time favourite horror film. MARK > -----Original Message----- > From: David F. Nolan [SMTP:DFN@alum.mit.edu] > Sent: 10 October 2000 02:06 > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [MV] Re: Good horror films > > I would say that although it's usually thought of as a sci-fi flick, > the > original "Alien" is really a horror movie, and a damned good one! > Likewise > the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and the original "Night > of the > Living Dead." And of course, any list of great horror movies has to > include "Psycho" and "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:58:58 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 So you have not seen trailers for "O Brother...., I was in the States for only 3 weeks, and I managed to catch it 3 times!!! "Billy Elliot" (a.k.a. "The Dancer) won all sorts of accolades from the Sundance festival. And you are only going to see a film if it is heavily advertised? You post on this list, so therefore one would assume that you have an active interest in the movies, right?? But you only go and see films that are heavily advertised?? And a films takings are not comparative to how successful it was. For example, take "Wild Wild West", my all time least favourite film. That film was promoted to buggery, and it took in the region of $120m at the US Box Office, was it a success, hell no!!! Certainly as from a financial standpoint it was only a minor hit, but from a film point of view it was an unnmitigated DISASTER!! When a film studio spends a lot of money on making a blockbuster they have to spend a huge amount on advertising, if you ran a factory you wouldn't spend $180m on a new machine, and then let nobody know that you had it, (unless you are a) a secret facility, b) planning to take over the world with it), it doesn't make the films successful, it just gives them a wider image. Also look at the content of "Jurassic Park", ideal family film - accessible to all ages. Would either "O Brother.." or "Billy Elliot" be classed as the same - hell no, are they being marketed the same - of course not, did they cost the same - the two film combined were made for less than 50% of "Jurassic Park's" budget, ARE THEY AS GOOD - for the markets that they are aiming for - ABSOLUTELY. I'm sure that I am speaking for the majority of the list here when I say - - GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND GROW UP. Maybe if we got the Coen's to launch a George Clooney doll for "O Brother.." then you would go and see the film - SCHMUCK!!! MARK > -----Original Message----- > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > Sent: 10 October 2000 02:13 > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > You got me all wrong! Those titles I have never heard of so I'm not > going > to the movies to see a movie I have never seen the previews of. > "Fargo" was > decient, but "Rivers Edge" was a great movie. Don't you know in most > cases > like "Jurassic Park" for example they spent more money on advertising > the > movie then they did actually making the movie. Look at how much that > movie > made far more than "O Bother All Now" and "Billy Idiot". > > > >From: MARK > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:33:38 +0100 > > > >So let me get this right, you see movies based on their titles??? GET > >FREAKING REAL!! > > > >Are you telling me you would miss out on films like "FARGO" or > "Rivers > >Edge" because they don't have 2 or 3 syllable snappy titles? That is > >the most unfathomably STUPID way of vetting a film. > > > >MAN, I DON'T EVER WANT TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN - YOU ARE AN INSULT TO > THIS > >LIST > > > >MARK > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: 08 October 2000 01:53 > > > To: MARK@zippack.co.uk > > > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > I guess "O Brother Where Art Thou" and "Billy Elliot" are movies > that > > > have > > > pretty plan titles which don't catch my eye. You need to see > "Casino" > > > or > > > "GoodFellas" now those are classic that everyone needs to see at > least > > > once. > > > Robert DeNiro and Joe Pecei make a great team. > > > > > > > > > >From: MARK > > > >To: 'zachary rivera' > > > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > >Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:07:36 +0100 > > > > > > > >WHATTT!!!!!!!! pretty old - get REAL!! "O Brother" and "Billy > > > Elliot" > > > >are new releases, you guys in the states don't have em yet. > > > > > > > >As for Sleeping with The Enemy - hahahahahahahahahahahaha > > > > > > > >you ARE winding me up, aren't you? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > > > > > Sent: 05 October 2000 18:36 > > > > > To: MARK@zippack.co.uk > > > > > Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > Hey Mark what kind of movies are those? They sound to be > pretty > > > old. > > > > > Have > > > > > you seen the movie Sleeping with the Enemy? Now that is a > great > > > movie > > > > > if > > > > > you like movies with suspence. Its with Julia Roberts and > some > > > psycho > > > > > who > > > > > is stacking her, well I won't tell you about the whole > > > movie....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: MARK > > > > > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >To: "'movies@lists.xmission.com'" > , > > > > > >"'movies@xmission.com'" > > > > > >Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:42:00 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > >either "O Brother Where Art Thou?" or "Billy Elliot" > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: ILLSLEY, KENNETH > > > > > [SMTP:BCC055200@acad.sunybroome.edu] > > > > > > > Sent: 04 October 2000 00:57 > > > > > > > To: 'movies@xmission.com' > > > > > > > Subject: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the Best movie out there! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message > > > "unsubscribe > > > > > ] > > > > > > > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > > > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message > "unsubscribe > > > ] > > > > > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > > > ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ___ > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public > profile > > > at > > > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ___ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:18 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films Once again, my misguided friend, you are wrong!! Blair Witch Project was cleverly advertised, the media then just took up the stick and ran with it - it was a victim of it's own success. The makers never set out to produce a $200m grossing movie, they just decided to make something truly different, and market it with a very effective web-site. If you want to blame anyone for getting caught up in the media hype, and disliking a film that could never appeal to anyone, blame yourself for being easily led by the media. As for me, I loved the film, it ranks right up there in my top 5 horror movies, I love the sense of desolation and desperation. Do I try to force my views on all and sundry, NO, because I know the film will not appeal to everyone. MARK > -----Original Message----- > From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] > Sent: 10 October 2000 01:52 > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films > > YEAH THE "BLAIR WITCH PROJECT" WAS THE DUMBEST MOVIE THAT WAS > ADVERTISED TO > THE FULLEST IN ORDER TO TRICK EVERYONE INTO SEEING THAT STUPID > MOVIE!!!!! > > > >From: "Marc Desbiens" > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > >To: marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com > >Subject: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films > >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:11:40 EDT > > > > > >***** No worries, Barbara .. contrarely to some people I don't resort > to > >name-calling when someone disagrees with me, I try to explain my > point of > >view instead ! ... I know The Blair Witch project was loved (and > hated !) > >by > >a lot of people ... > > > >I thought it was a great horror film and I did find it very scary ... > I > >just > >saw it again a week ago (My 2nd time seeing that one !) and I was > scared, > >what can I tell you ... cranking up the speakers of the surround > system and > >listening to those "sounds" ... > > > >Contrarely to you I identified with those people ... being lost and > losing > >track of where they are ... running out of food and water ... hearing > > >sounds > >late at night ... I thought it was excellent in fact ... except maybe > for > >the swearing ... they should have cut down on it a bit ... I usually > don't > >mind but I felt in that one it was a bit overwhelming in part > (especially > >in > >the first third of the film ... I can understand someone swearing and > being > >frustrated later on ...) > > > >There is this guy that I always agree with .. well .. maybe 80 or 90% > of > >the > >times we agree if a film is good or bad ... and on BWP we disagree > strongly > >... I think it is very effective and scary and he found it boring and > silly > >... I say 4.5/5 .. he says 2/5 ... so this is a film that is a bit > >different > >than the other ones out there, lots of different opinions. > > > >Marc ;o) > > > >------------------------------------- > > > >Fine, except for The Blair Witch Scam. How could anyone have found > it > >scary? It was a non-story. They set it in 1993 because in 1998 or > >whenever, the people would have had cell phones and there'd have been > >even less plot than there was. They were unreal and impossible to > >identify with or be scared for. > > > >I felt really ripped off after seeing that movie. > > > >Now I'll sit back and wait for the flames. > > > >Barbara > > > >----------------------------------------------------- > > > >Marc Desbiens wrote: > > > > > > I'll make this a top "6" .. ok ?? > > > >Good horror films, off the top of my head ... > > > > > > 1- The shining > > > 2- The Blair witch project > > > 3- Scream > > > 4- The exorcist > > > 5- Jaws > > > 6- Halloween > > > > > > Marc ;o) > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > ____ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:00:42 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho And if it were another film of the same genre, would the music go "Derrr-dum, derrr-dum, dum-dum, dum-dum, dum-dum, dum-dum, diddle-derr" MARK > -----Original Message----- > From: RICHARD BENJAMIN [SMTP:richard@sourcedesign.co.uk] > Sent: 09 October 2000 17:19 > To: movies > Subject: RE: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho > > Trying to be 'veiled' here. Does the 'star' in question die after > giving > a long-winded, tongue-in-cheek, morale boosting speech? > > Richardson.Paul wrote: > >>> In fact, last year a film came out that had the biggest star > >>> listed last with the "And So-and-So" credit, just like Leigh > >>> in PSYCHO. That star was bigger (much bigger) in 1999 than > >>> Leigh was in 1960. > > > >> hmmmmmmm the "And so-and-so" star wasn't Anne Heche in > >> Psycho 1999 was it? :) > > > >No. That was obvious, so there would have been no reason for me to > be > veiled. > > Also, PSYCHO came out in 1998...I'm thinking of a 1999 picture with > a > star > >who is a lot bigger than Heche or Leigh every were. I'm trying to be > vague to > >avoid giving a spoiler for the film in question. > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > >RFC822 header > >----------------------------------- > > > >RECEIVED: from SF_Database by POP_Mailbox_-1241011206 ; 09 OCT 00 > 17:08:10 UT > >Received: from LISTS.XMISSION.COM by mail.sourcedesign.co.uk > > with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.1.2); 09-Oct-2000 > 17:08:09 > >+0000 > >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) > > id 13ifKI-0001OE-00 > > for movies-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:58:54 > -0600 > >Received: from [167.234.1.10] (helo=ns.albertsons.com) > > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) > > id 13ifKG-0001O8-00 > > for movies@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:58:52 -0600 > >Received: from S7352c (S7352c.7000.albertsons.com [167.234.12.204]) > by > >ns.albertsons.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20790 for > > >; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:55:52 -0600 > >Received: from dubs0001.amstr.com (dubs0001.albertsons.com > [162.120.128.9]) > > by S7352c (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA159744 > > for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:57:38 -0600 > >X-Internal-ID: 39DF1C5E00002FE4 > >Received: from amstr.com (162.120.128.9) by dubs0001.amstr.com (NPlex > > >2.0.119) for movies@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 08:58:50 > -0700 > >Message-ID: > >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:58:00 -0600 > >From: ("Paul D Richardson") > >To: (movies lists xmission co) > >Subject: [MV] RE: Movie Times and Psycho > >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com > >Precedence: bulk > >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 00 15:15:16 +0100 From: RICHARD BENJAMIN Subject: RE: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films It does seem to be becoming more apparent that Zachary Rivera (stage name) is a blinkered, gullible, mainstream fool who would be more at home on the Steven Segal mailing list. MARK wrote: >Once again, my misguided friend, you are wrong!! Blair Witch Project >was cleverly advertised, the media then just took up the stick and ran >with it - it was a victim of it's own success. > >The makers never set out to produce a $200m grossing movie, they just >decided to make something truly different, and market it with a very >effective web-site. If you want to blame anyone for getting caught up >in the media hype, and disliking a film that could never appeal to >anyone, blame yourself for being easily led by the media. > >As for me, I loved the film, it ranks right up there in my top 5 horror >movies, I love the sense of desolation and desperation. Do I try to >force my views on all and sundry, NO, because I know the film will not >appeal to everyone. > >MARK > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: zachary rivera [SMTP:riveraz@hotmail.com] >> Sent: 10 October 2000 01:52 >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films >> >> YEAH THE "BLAIR WITCH PROJECT" WAS THE DUMBEST MOVIE THAT WAS >> ADVERTISED TO >> THE FULLEST IN ORDER TO TRICK EVERYONE INTO SEEING THAT STUPID >> MOVIE!!!!! >> >> >> >From: "Marc Desbiens" >> >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> >To: marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com >> >Subject: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films >> >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:11:40 EDT >> > >> > >> >***** No worries, Barbara .. contrarely to some people I don't resort >> to >> >name-calling when someone disagrees with me, I try to explain my >> point of >> >view instead ! ... I know The Blair Witch project was loved (and >> hated !) >> >by >> >a lot of people ... >> > >> >I thought it was a great horror film and I did find it very scary ... >> I >> >just >> >saw it again a week ago (My 2nd time seeing that one !) and I was >> scared, >> >what can I tell you ... cranking up the speakers of the surround >> system and >> >listening to those "sounds" ... >> > >> >Contrarely to you I identified with those people ... being lost and >> losing >> >track of where they are ... running out of food and water ... hearing >> >> >sounds >> >late at night ... I thought it was excellent in fact ... except maybe >> for >> >the swearing ... they should have cut down on it a bit ... I usually >> don't >> >mind but I felt in that one it was a bit overwhelming in part >> (especially >> >in >> >the first third of the film ... I can understand someone swearing and >> being >> >frustrated later on ...) >> > >> >There is this guy that I always agree with .. well .. maybe 80 or 90% >> of >> >the >> >times we agree if a film is good or bad ... and on BWP we disagree >> strongly >> >... I think it is very effective and scary and he found it boring and >> silly >> >... I say 4.5/5 .. he says 2/5 ... so this is a film that is a bit >> >different >> >than the other ones out there, lots of different opinions. >> > >> >Marc ;o) >> > >> >------------------------------------- >> > >> >Fine, except for The Blair Witch Scam. How could anyone have found >> it >> >scary? It was a non-story. They set it in 1993 because in 1998 or >> >whenever, the people would have had cell phones and there'd have been >> >even less plot than there was. They were unreal and impossible to >> >identify with or be scared for. >> > >> >I felt really ripped off after seeing that movie. >> > >> >Now I'll sit back and wait for the flames. >> > >> >Barbara >> > >> >----------------------------------------------------- >> > >> >Marc Desbiens wrote: >> > > >> > > I'll make this a top "6" .. ok ?? >> > >> >Good horror films, off the top of my head ... >> > > >> > > 1- The shining >> > > 2- The Blair witch project >> > > 3- Scream >> > > 4- The exorcist >> > > 5- Jaws >> > > 6- Halloween >> > > >> > > Marc ;o) >> > > >> > >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> http://www.hotmail.com. >> > >> >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> >http://profiles.msn.com. >> > >> > >> >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ___ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >RECEIVED: from SF_Database by POP_Mailbox_-1240953495 ; 10 OCT 00 09:10:01 UT >Received: from LISTS.XMISSION.COM by mail.sourcedesign.co.uk > with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.1.2); 10-Oct-2000 09:09:53 >+0000 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) > id 13iuKt-0003CO-00 > for movies-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:00:31 -0600 >Received: from [195.166.128.23] (helo=merlins.force9.net) > by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) > id 13iuKq-0003C7-00 > for movies@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:00:28 -0600 >Received: (qmail 25509 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 08:03:10 -0000 >Received: from relay5.force9.net (HELO autoturn.plus.net.uk) (195.166.128.22) > by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 08:03:10 -0000 >Received: (qmail 14191 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 07:55:14 -0000 >Received: from zippack.force9.co.uk (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) >(195.166.136.140) > by relay5.force9.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 07:55:14 -0000 >Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) > id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:19 +0100 >Message-ID: <8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA70710C9@SERVERA> >From: MARK >To: "'movies@lists.xmission.com'" >Subject: RE: [MV] Blair Witch Project & Good horror films >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:18 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Sender: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:05:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] Re: Blair Witch Project > YEAH THE "BLAIR WITCH PROJECT" WAS THE DUMBEST > MOVIE THAT WAS ADVERTISED TO THE FULLEST IN ORDER > TO TRICK EVERYONE INTO SEEING THAT STUPID MOVIE!!!!! Tricked? I don't know about you, but I paid money to see the film of my own free will. I don't recall a man in a black sedan tricking people into the theater with promises of candy and comic books. Also, you may need to get your computer serviced. It appears there is something wrong with your caps lock key. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:00 -0600 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 1 > Don't you know in most cases like "Jurassic Park" > for example they spent more money on advertising the > movie then they did actually making the movie. Look > at how much that movie made far more than "O Bother > All Now" and "Billy Idiot". Well, considering O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU hasn't even been released yet in the U.S., it's no surprise that it hasn't made as much money as JURASSIC PARK. Of course, it never will, since BROTHER appeals to a smaller audience. In addition, the gross profit of a film is in no way indicative of it's quality. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:28:59 MDT From: "Michael Giles" Subject: [MV] Remember the titans Has anyone seen Remember the Titans? I love football movies and am wondering if it is worth seeing. Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:14:16 -0500 From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Remember the titans At 4:28 PM -0600 10/10/00, Michael Giles wrote: >Has anyone seen Remember the Titans? I love football movies and am >wondering if it is worth seeing. I saw it Sunday night. It was entertaining enough and a very inspirational story. It was predictable and hokey but that was ok with me. I read a review in either Time or Newsweek and the reviewer made a comment about the movie being cliche and then stated that that really wasn't Disney's doing. The story told on the screen is pretty much the way it happened back in '71. I did find myself wanting more depth to Washington's character. I thought he wasn't very interesting and I wanted to know more about him. I enjoyed it. Some of you hard-core film critics may find it a waste of time, however. Anything that inspires, though I think is worthwhile. - -- ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/diane507/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net ICQ #12904700 on Instant AOL Messenger ~~~~~ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:52:31 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 In a message dated 10/10/2000 1:01:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MARK@zippack.co.uk writes: << And you are only going to see a film if it is heavily advertised? You post on this list, so therefore one would assume that you have an active interest in the movies, right?? But you only go and see films that are heavily advertised?? And a films takings are not comparative to how successful it was. For example, take "Wild Wild West", my all time least favourite film. That film was promoted to buggery, and it took in the region of $120m at the US Box Office, was it a success, hell no!!! Certainly as from a financial standpoint it was only a minor hit, but from a film point of view it was an unnmitigated DISASTER!! >> Sorry, but I'm going to have to go with Mark on this one (did anyone else sense hell freezing over). Trailers can only do so much for a movie. I mean, there's no problem in taking a tip from someone else to see a something that wasn't advertised, especially when they can describe to you what it's about. Flashy trailers or titles don't signify a good or bad movie, just how much the film makers want people to see it. - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:19:34 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [MV] Remember the titans In a message dated 10/10/2000 3:29:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, moosegiles@hotmail.com writes: << Has anyone seen Remember the Titans? I love football movies and am wondering if it is worth seeing. Thanks, Mike >> Haven't seen it, but a football movie that gets mostly good reviews has to be doing something right. Most of the critics complain about cliches in sports films. Of course, maybe I should read some of them first to find out why they're good. :) - -Eric- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:29:02 EDT From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] The war zone - 1999 ** Minor spoilers ** Hello ! I just watched this great film ... Excellent, but boy was it grimm and disturbing in part ... amazing acting by everyone involved, especially the teenage daughter of the family that was incredible ... so touching and believable ... this was a very difficult part to play, long and emotional scenes with little dialogues ... yet she gives an unbelievable performance a-la Emily Watson in "Breaking the waves" !! Story of a family in England (Watch out for the thick english accent in part, especially in the first 10-15 minutes ... hard to make out what they were saying sometimes !) Thankfully, after that they are easier to understand ... Everything appears to be normal at first glance ... mom & dad happily married, son around 15 years old, daughter around 17 years old ... and a new born baby daughter too ... Little house in the countryside, dad with a good job ...etc. The problem is the father has incestuous relations with his teenage daughter ... and this of course creates a lot of issues ... tearing the whole family apart, especially after the son finds out (as he is looking inside the bathroom through a window late at night he sees his father "with" his sister in the bath tub ...) Now this is not done in an exploitive way, we don't even actually see the father and his daughter, we only see the son's reaction ... and he is in shock, he can't believe it as you imagine ! Of course then the son confronts his sister, trying to find out what the hell is going on beyween her and his father ... why she is lying to protect her father (the daughter insists that nothing is wrong and he must be sick for imagining such things, that nothing happened ... Even is he has seen it with his own eyes, she si trying to convince him that he is wrong ... the works ! This is only the beginning ... I mean this is MAJOR of course, it's the heart of the movie so the film is not easy to watch, you've been warned ! ... the son not knowing what he should do .. tell the mother ... tell the coppers ... try to convince his father that what he is doing his wrong .. if he can get him to admit it of course ... I won't go too much into the twists and turns along the way but the film is certainly NASTY ... It is directed by Tim Roth who was abused himself as a child. Very well made technically ... music, sound, cinematography ... Top notch acting as I said ! James Berardinelli (famous movie critic !) picks this one as his #1 film for 1999 (4/4 !) and also is in his Top 10 for the 1990's ... as for myself it is "only" in 17th place for 1999 due to quite a few rather slow patches in the first half ... I felt it was dragging a bit and wasn't moving at a pace that was appropriate. Well ... I guess I am picky but it's still a damn good film of course !! It is NOT for everybody though ... I can see how some people would turn it off ... It had the potential to go as high as 4.5/5 but I have to penalize it a bit for the story that could have been improved or told in a slightly different way ... 4/5 (excellent) Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------------------------ "The maple syrup is supposed to be on the table before the pancakes ..." 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[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:11:22 +0100 From: MARK Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 wonders will never cease - ERIC agreed with me, maybe this is the start of a beautiful friendship - NOT!!! :) MARK > -----Original Message----- > From: Nutz4n64@aol.com [SMTP:Nutz4n64@aol.com] > Sent: 11 October 2000 02:53 > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [MV] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:29 -0400 > > In a message dated 10/10/2000 1:01:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > MARK@zippack.co.uk writes: > > << And you are only going to see a film if it is heavily advertised? > You > post on this list, so therefore one would assume that you have an > active > interest in the movies, right?? But you only go and see films that > are > heavily advertised?? And a films takings are not comparative to how > successful it was. For example, take "Wild Wild West", my all time > least favourite film. That film was promoted to buggery, and it took > in > the region of $120m at the US Box Office, was it a success, hell > no!!! > Certainly as from a financial standpoint it was only a minor hit, but > from a film point of view it was an unnmitigated DISASTER!! >> > > Sorry, but I'm going to have to go with Mark on this one (did anyone > else > sense hell freezing over). Trailers can only do so much for a movie. > I > mean, there's no problem in taking a tip from someone else to see a > something > that wasn't advertised, especially when they can describe to you what > it's > about. Flashy trailers or titles don't signify a good or bad movie, > just how > much the film makers want people to see it. > -Eric- > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of movies-digest V2 #298 **************************** [ To quit the movies-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe movies-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]