From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest) To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: movies-digest V2 #307 Reply-To: movies-digest Sender: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk movies-digest Friday, November 17 2000 Volume 02 : Number 307 [MV] Charlie's Angels [MV] Indy 20th? [MV] RE: Charlie's Angels [MV] Don't resurrect this ALIEN !! [MV] H*lp! [MV] Favorite comedies [MV] RE: Favorite comedies Re: [MV] Favorite comedies Re: [MV] Favorite comedies RE: [MV] Favorite comedies [MV] American tragedy - 2000 [MV] Unhappy moviegoers ... Re: [MV] Unhappy moviegoers ... Re: [MV] RE: Blair Witch - original ? Re: [MV] H*lp! [MV] Fight Club Re: [MV] Favorite comedies [MV] RE: Unhappy moviegoers ... [MV] Wedding in blood - 1973 [MV] MEMENTO (2000) 4.5/5 [MV] Red Planet & Orange Crush [MV] Sleepy Hollow, a family film ?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:09:51 EST From: KenKnows@aol.com Subject: [MV] Charlie's Angels Did anyone here see Charlie's Angels? What did you like or dislike about it? [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:06:08 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Indy 20th? Adding comments to yours, Midphase ! It's quite a coincidence that you mention this movie since I saw it again just 2 days ago ... I was in the mood for that one as I had not seen it in maybe 5 or 6 years. (I would say I have seen the film about 8 times in all) ... Still a 4.5/5 in my opinion ! It's like a rollercoaster ride ... all those action scenes packed in a movie that doesn't even last 2 hours ... phew ! Plenty of memorable moments as well, it's a modern classic ! Harrison Ford is great in this role too, lots of funny dialogues, great stunts, nasty snakes and the story is very intriguing even on repeated viewings. The Indiana Jones films are all very entertaining and I have rated all 3 films at 4/5 or more ... Raiders of the lost ark - 1981 - 4.5/5 The temple of doom - 1984 - 4/5 The last crusade - 1991 (?) - 4/5 So this is among my favorite series of all times for sure along with the 2 Terminator films, the Alien films (Except for the awful "Alien resurrection" of course !!) etc. etc. I haven't heard of it being released again though ... would be a good idea, why not ! ... Especially since they are now working on the 4th film ! Marc ;o) - ------------------------------------------------------- Anyone heard any info of a possible theatrical re-release of Raiders of the Lost Ark in the year 2001 to celebrate its 20th anniversary? Are they going to wait until the 25th? How about a DVD release? Midphase _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:44:00 -0700 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Charlie's Angels > Did anyone here see Charlie's Angels? Yes. Quite easily the worst film I've seen this year. > What did you like or dislike about it? I disliked everything about the film except for Crispin Glover. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:56:35 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Don't resurrect this ALIEN !! ***** Adding comments to yours, Codrin ! Marc ;o) - -------------------------------------------------------- Codrin wrote : And about all those yacky monsters *Alien 4* is the only one merely watchable,cos',for once,Sigourney was allowed to do some acting job,the visual effects were ok and the wise cracking was there too. Here I come to mess your day :-). Codrin - --------------------------------------------------------- ***** Yes ! You were doing **great** but then you had to add this obviously BIZARRE comment !! ;o) Alien resurrection is a 2/5 film in my opinion and that is very low considering I loved all the other films in the series and Sigourney Weaver is one of my favorite actresses too. - - Alien - 1979 - 4.5/5 - - Aliens - 1986 - 5/5 - - Alien 3 - 1992 - 3.5/5 - - Alien resurrection - 1997 - 2/5 Nearly all the Alien fans out there would agree with me that this Alien resurrection was terrible ... boring story, bad acting, so-so action scenes, a few good special effects at least ... mixing comedy with action (crippled guy strapped on the back of the taller fellow and shooting, Weaver playing basketball, someone shoot me, please, this is awful !!) ludicrous ending ... I remember this was a movie I was really looking forward to and then being very disappointed ... it's basically Aliens escaping and then running around, very repetitive, nothing original or interesting ... I am probably generous with a 2/5 ... 1.5/5 seems more appropriate ... J-Pierre Jeunet, the director was not used to making action films so why give him a huge budget and pick him to make this one, he doesn't know what he is doing half the time, plus he has to work with all those frenchies in the cast cos' they were in some of his previous films and he has a hard on for them, pleeeeease ! I heard he couldn't even speak in english on the set, barely knew a few words so it was kind of hard to direct scenes I suppose ... he was too "artsy-fancy" to make this type of film in my opinion ... ruined the series of course, they are not talking about another Alien film if I am correct ?? Marc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:29:14 -0700 From: "umfalkce " Subject: [MV] H*lp! Greetings movie people. I have been very busy at school, but I am still on the list. I was talking to my Sociology professor, and he told me I could get brownie points if I could name a movie. I have spent 2 weeks on IMDB with no luck. I don't know any of the actors or the title. This is what I do know..... - -It was made some time in the late70's early 80's - -A group of select people were chosed(and paid well if they lasted) to live in a nuclear bunker. - -during their stay, thru various radio feeds, they were led to believe that the nuclear holocaust had infact taken place, and they were the only ones left alive. - -the reason they finally had to stop the experiment was that the young model(black woman) in the group had hid herself away and slashed her wrists. - -there was a general of an army running the experiment. - -I do remember the end when the mother of the young boy came out of the shelter and slugged the general. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS DRIVING ME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only have I checked the imdb, I have also phoned all videostores in a 100 mile radius! Thank you guys in advance, Christi "Scully........I love you" Fox Mulder Triangle [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:00:38 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Favorite comedies Hi ! The other day I was asking about your favorite "Emotional movies" .. but what about those comedies ?? I like "dark" comedies often ... I listed some of my favorites below : - - Fargo - 1996 - - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1977 - - My cousin Vinny - 1992 - - Citizen Ruth - 1996 - - Living in oblivion - 1995 - - Kingpin - 1996 - - Being John Malkovich - 1999 - - Election - 1999 - - Waiting for Guffman - 1996 - - Pecker - 1998 - - The breakfast club - 1985 - - The daytrippers - 1997 - - The naked gun - 1988 - - Go - 1999 - - Stakeout - 1987 - - Freeway - 1995 - - No - 1998 (in french !) - - Pleasantville - 1998 - - Howard Stern's private parts - 1997 - - Honeymoon in Vegas - 1992 - - Muriel's wedding - 1994 (from the land of OZ) - - Planes, trains and automobiles - 1988 - - Elvis Gratton - 1985 (in french !) - - Swingers - 1996 - - Crumb - 1994 - - What about Bob ? - 1991 - - Get shorty - 1995 - - Three o'clock high - 1987 (guilty pleasure film !) Anyone heard of it ?? ;o) - - The castle - 1997 (Those aussies doing it again !) Love the scene where they "walk home" from the airport ! - - SLC punk ! - 1999 (Am I the only one who likes this ?) - - The acid house - 1998 Some of these films may not be viewed by some people as being "comedies" though ... like "Fargo" "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" "Freeway" etc. ... But it shows the type of comedies I like most of the times ... films that also have some "serious" moments in them ... Have a fine day ! Marc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:52:00 -0700 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Favorite comedies > The other day I was asking about your favorite "Emotional movies" > .. but what about those comedies ?? Here's my list of "Top 14" favorites, in no particular order: SAFETY LAST CITY LIGHTS DUCK SOUP IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT SOME LIKE IT HOT YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN ANNIE HALL A SHOT IN THE DARK QUICK CHANGE DR. STRANGELOVE LAVENDER HILL MOB AFTER HOURS MONTY PYTHON'S LIFE OF BRIAN THIS IS SPINAL TAP I managed not to have a single hit from Marc's list, although I like a lot of his favorites: > - Fargo - 1996 > - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1977 Great movies, but I don't really consider them full-blown "comedies" (especially CUCKOO'S NEST). Ditto something like AMERICAN BEAUTY which is sort of a "Dramatic Comedy." I've tried to limit my list to films whose primary goal is to make the viewer laugh. > - My cousin Vinny - 1992 This movie was much funnier than I expected. One of those rare comedies where the trailers did NOT show all of the funniest scenes. > - Citizen Ruth - 1996 I haven't seen this, but I liked ELECTION quite a bit (from the same guy), so it might be worth my while. > - Being John Malkovich - 1999 Great film all-around. > - Election - 1999 As already indicated, I liked this one quite a bit. > - Waiting for Guffman - 1996 Funny stuff! Have you seen BEST IN SHOW yet? It's also hilarious. > - Pecker - 1998 Great little film. One of Waters' funniest. > - The breakfast club - 1985 The older I get, the stupider I realize this movie actually is. > - The naked gun - 1988 This one is okay, but not nearly as funny as the television program that inspired it ("Police Squad"). > - Go - 1999 I like GO, but I'm not sure if I'd consider it a "comedy"... > - Stakeout - 1987 This movie was ultimately forgettable. > - Pleasantville - 1998 Good flick, but not a comedy. > - Howard Stern's private parts - 1997 Better than I (or just about anybody else) expected. > - Honeymoon in Vegas - 1992 Good, but not great. > - Muriel's wedding - 1994 (from the land of OZ) > - Planes, trains and automobiles - 1988 > - Swingers - 1996 Some more hilarious films that just didn't quite make my "favorites" list, even though I like them all quite a bit. > - Crumb - 1994 > - What about Bob ? - 1991 I hated both of these films with a passion. > - Get shorty - 1995 Amusing, but not as good as some other recent Leonard adaptations. > - Three o'clock high - 1987 (guilty pleasure film !) > Anyone heard of it ?? ;o) I remember this one. I saw it when it came out, but I didn't care for it too much then, even though I was in the target audience. A western for teens, I guess. > - SLC punk ! - 1999 (Am I the only one who likes this ?) I haven't seen it, even though I live in SLC. Oops. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:16:36 -0800 From: "David F. Nolan" Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies My Top 10 (in alphabetical order)......... Brazil Groundhog Day The Mask (1994) Monty Python's Life of Brian Phantom of the Paradise Raising Arizona The Raven (1963) Sleeper Wayne's World Young Frankenstein [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:32:24 -0500 From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies At 11:16 AM -0800 11/10/00, David F. Nolan wrote: >Groundhog Day this is one of my favorite all-time movies!! I think it's one of the most brilliant movies I've ever seen! - -- ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/diane507/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net ICQ #12904700 on Instant AOL Messenger ~~~~~ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:45:47 -0600 From: julie_klenko@pleasantco.com Subject: RE: [MV] Favorite comedies Phantom of Paradise scared the hell out of me when I was a teenager. The record press, the metal teeth gulping down all those pills! - -----Original Message----- From: David F. Nolan [mailto:DFN@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:17 PM To: movies@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies My Top 10 (in alphabetical order)......... Brazil Groundhog Day The Mask (1994) Monty Python's Life of Brian Phantom of the Paradise Raising Arizona The Raven (1963) Sleeper Wayne's World Young Frankenstein [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:03:53 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] American tragedy - 2000 Ok, who plans to watch this Tv mini-series on CBS ?? "American tragedy" about the real life murder case ... OJ Simpson on trial for murdering his ex-wife and her "boyfriend" ... Normally I try to stay away from TV movies but this one sounds intriguing, especially since Ving Rhames is in it as Johnnie Cochran, OJ's flashy lawyer. I also followed closely the trial when it was going on (I was watching quite a bit of NFL football in the early to mid 1990's so I knew OJ as a sport commentator and appreciated his antics too ... looked like a nice fellow !) Of course the trial made me change my mind ... phew ! Evidence pointing towards his guilt but his "slick lawyers" had a few aces up their sleeves ... Having fun questioning the LAPD cops ... I bet they were LOVING IT, making them look like fools in front of everybody ! (Best line ever by a defense attorney : "If it doesn't fit, you must ACQUIT !!") Not a lot of suspence of course because we know how it will end but I expect it to be good ! First part : Sunday night : 9pm on CBS (EST) Second part : Wednesday night : 9pm on CBS (EST) Have a fine day ! Marc ;o) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:02:32 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Unhappy moviegoers ... Hi ! Interesting article in the newspaper yesterday morning concerning moviegoers that are rather unhappy these days due to the poor quality of the films that are presented ... Source : "La Presse" newspaper, nov. 11th 2000. - -------------------------------------------------------- "A succession of bad films ..." "Bad films are more numerous these days on the movie screens in the United States. Since the beginning of summer, this trend seems to have been developing slowly but surely and is now continuing. The box office numbers are still impressive and are even higher than the usual for this time of the year but a good number of moviegoers are nevertheless unhappy with the quality of the films that they see ..." "Meet the parents should have only been a marginal success according to Art Rockwell, who is analyzing the box office numbers of all the new releases for Rockwell capital Management. That movie being such a huge success indicates that there weren't many other choices for the moviegoers. People wanted to go to the movies no matter what." "More people than ever are complaining and saying that more bad films are being produced though, especially these past few months. Movies like Dr. T and the women, Lost souls and Lucky numbers have been mentioned often as being dead ducks." "According to Oliver Oberle, president of www.showbizdata.com, a company that evaluates the box office performances of all the new movies released, this situation is worrying. Since Spring, Scary movie was the only film that was a really huge hit and it wasn't even a good film." "The following movies are among the most disappointing : Book of shadows, Blair Witch 2 that was released for Halloween is probably the #1 title according to Rockwell." "Everybody in Hollywood was expecting this film to take in at least 30M$ during the first week-end and it only made 13M$ behind an "old" film (Meet the parents) that was already in its 4th week in theaters. The horror movie audience had already read plenty of negative comments on the internet and seen the trailer that wasn't very appealing." "Almost famous from Cameron Crowe (Jerry Maguire) only made around 30 M$ during its 7 week run. This was a film that everyone said would be a hit says Oberle, but to have good box office numbers, making a good film is not the most important thing. You have to release the movie at the most appropriate time and have a good marketing campaign. Audiences also weren't very interested because the movie was set in the early '70s." "Pay it forward was certainly expected to do more. Haley Joel Osment and Kevin Spacey wanted to make the world a better place but seats in the movie theaters presenting the film were often empty. This one wanted to be like American beauty but the results are rather disappointing so far. It only made 19M$ the first two weeks despite big stars and a good storyline." "The political thriller The contender that was supposed to be a hit both at the box office and at the next Oscars' show attracted few moviegoers despite the fact it was a quality film. 14M$ in 3 weeks, so it certainly won't be anywhere near what I was wishing for says Martin Grove from the Hollywood reporter online. The public had enough of the real political campaign going on perhaps and was annoyed by the serious look of the film." "Some stars are also to blame according to the experts. John Travolta made two bad films back-to-back, Battlefield Earth and Lucky Numbers. Wynona Ryder did a little better but not much with Autumn in New York and Lost souls. Richard Gere is in trouble with Autumn in New York and Dr. T and the women and Sylvester Stallone's Get Carter was out of the movie theaters swiftly." "At least Charlie's angels is making good money now and this will be the film that will finally replace Meet the parents as the king of the box office for the moment." - --------------------------------------------------------- Have a fine day ! Marc ;o) - ----------------------------------------------------- " I met this six-year-old child, with this blind, pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ... the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up for I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! " Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis" "Halloween" - 1978 - ----------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:30:25 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [MV] Unhappy moviegoers ... Interesting article Marc. I agree on the whole, but I'd like to ask you which perspective the article was written on? La Presse seems to suggest a Spanish newspaper, so correct me if I'm Wrong. My experience with the foreign press is that they tend to be a little to eager to point out weaknesses in what they see as the American dominated industry. Some well deserved, some not. But knowing the context in which the article is written will put things in a better perspective. As for bad quality of films, I think its not really the quality, but the subject matter. Science Fiction, Fantasy, War films, horror and comedy excite movie goers these days and we've gotten several mediocre comedy and horror films this year, with only two war films. the Patriot, which isn't really a war film and Gladiator, a surprise hit to be sure. The science fiction category is also pretty weak with your run of the mill cloning movies and movies about Mars. Next summer should be interesting with Final Fantasy , Tomb Raider and Jurrasic Park III crowding the summer movie market. Also note Final Fantasy and Tomb Raider are based on popular videogame franchises. There's also Spielberg's latest science fiction heavyweight, Aritificial Intelligence (A.I.). Come December, the first installment of theLord of the Rings hits theatres followed up by Star Wars Episode II in may of 2002. Lots of big names and I think its going to be a banner years for the industry in 2001 and 2002. The 2000 movie season is really due to the strange coincidence that most of the studio titles that would have excited the public were either pushed back or slated to appear in 2001 and 2002. Dexter Marc Desbiens wrote: > Hi ! > > Interesting article in the newspaper yesterday morning concerning moviegoers > that are rather unhappy these days due to the poor quality of the films that > are > presented ... > > Source : "La Presse" newspaper, nov. 11th 2000. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > "A succession of bad films ..." > > "Bad films are more numerous these days on the movie screens in the United > States. Since the beginning of summer, this trend seems to have been > developing slowly but surely and is now continuing. The box office numbers > are still impressive and are even higher than the usual for this time of the > year but a good number of moviegoers are nevertheless unhappy with the > quality of the films that they see ..." > > "Meet the parents should have only been a marginal success according to Art > Rockwell, who is analyzing the box office numbers of all the new releases > for Rockwell capital Management. That movie being such a huge success > indicates that there weren't many other choices for the moviegoers. People > wanted to go to the movies no matter what." > > "More people than ever are complaining and saying that more bad films are > being produced though, especially these past few months. Movies like Dr. T > and the women, Lost souls and Lucky numbers have been mentioned often as > being dead ducks." > > "According to Oliver Oberle, president of www.showbizdata.com, a company > that evaluates the box office performances of all the new movies released, > this situation is worrying. Since Spring, Scary movie was the only film > that was a really huge hit and it wasn't even a good film." > > "The following movies are among the most disappointing : > Book of shadows, Blair Witch 2 that was released for Halloween is probably > the #1 title according to Rockwell." > > "Everybody in Hollywood was expecting this film to take in at least 30M$ > during the first week-end and it only made 13M$ behind an "old" film (Meet > the parents) that was already in its 4th week in theaters. The horror movie > audience had already read plenty of negative comments on the internet and > seen the trailer that > wasn't very appealing." > > "Almost famous from Cameron Crowe (Jerry Maguire) only made around 30 M$ > during its 7 week run. This was a film that everyone said would be a hit > says Oberle, but to have good box office numbers, making a good film is not > the most important thing. You have to release the movie at the most > appropriate time and have a good marketing campaign. Audiences also weren't > very interested because the movie was set in the early '70s." > > "Pay it forward was certainly expected to do more. Haley Joel Osment and > Kevin Spacey wanted to make the world a better place but seats in the movie > theaters presenting the film were often empty. This one wanted to be like > American beauty but the results are rather disappointing so far. It only > made 19M$ the first two weeks despite big stars and a good storyline." > > "The political thriller The contender that was supposed to be a hit both at > the box office and at the next Oscars' show attracted few moviegoers despite > the fact it was a quality film. 14M$ in 3 weeks, so it certainly won't be > anywhere near what I was wishing for says Martin Grove from the Hollywood > reporter online. The public had enough of the real political campaign going > on perhaps and was annoyed by the serious look of the film." > > "Some stars are also to blame according to the experts. John Travolta made > two bad films back-to-back, Battlefield Earth and Lucky Numbers. Wynona > Ryder did a little better but not much with Autumn in New York and Lost > souls. Richard Gere is in trouble with Autumn in New York and Dr. T and the > women and Sylvester Stallone's Get Carter was out of the movie theaters > swiftly." > > "At least Charlie's angels is making good money now and this will be the > film that will finally replace Meet the parents as the king of the box > office for the moment." > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Have a fine day ! > > Marc ;o) > > ----------------------------------------------------- > " I met this six-year-old child, with this blind, > pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ... > the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to > reach him, and then another seven trying to keep > him locked up for I realized what was living behind > that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! " > > Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis" > "Halloween" - 1978 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 23:23:46 +0000 From: Garrett Winters Subject: Re: [MV] RE: Blair Witch - original ? on 30/10/2000 16:27, ("Paul D Richardson") at Richardson.Paul@amstr.com wrote: >> How can you make something COMPLETELY different and original >> these days ?? > > It seems that nobody is trying very hard. 99.9% of all films are fairly > unoriginal. Occasionally, a film like BEING JOHN MALKOVICH comes along and > tries to up the ante, but the film industry generally makes things that are > already "tried and true." Originality is simply not a value in filmmaking > (and it never really has been). > > As for BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, it may not be "original," but it is different than > most of the films out there...and that is saying something. In fact, the > predicted on-slaught of "Blair Witch" take-offs is still yet to come, except > in the form of parody shorts. I know what you mean about originality in movies and it is hard to do. one recent film that I feel is very original was "Ravenous", I rewatched it last night and it is just soooo cool, and also something that would be hard to equal for originality in both story and music score. I also enjoyed Being J.M for the same reasons, it was different, a seemingly fresh idea but ultimately it seemed a bit lopsided. the whole love triangle thing got a bit tedious and the movie could have been so much more IMO. Garrett [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 23:37:11 +0000 From: Garrett Winters Subject: Re: [MV] H*lp! on 10/11/2000 0:29, umfalkce at gregorys@xmission.com wrote: > Greetings movie people. I have been very busy at school, but I am still on > the > list. I was talking to my Sociology professor, and he told me I could get > brownie points if I could name a movie. > I have spent 2 weeks on IMDB with no luck. I don't know any of the actors or > the title. This is what I do know..... > -It was made some time in the late70's early 80's > -A group of select people were chosed(and paid well if they lasted) to live in > a > nuclear bunker. > -during their stay, thru various radio feeds, they were led to believe that > the > nuclear holocaust had infact taken place, and they were the only ones left > alive. well for a start you have described a current series episode of "the outer limits". as for a movie it sounds familiar though, just can't place it. Garrett [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:15:27 -0000 From: "Mark Dainty" Subject: [MV] Fight Club I watched "Fight Club" for the third time over the weekend. This film is truly one of the most important films of the 20th Century. It is unique in the fact that it speaks intelligently to our masculine side. Too many films rely on us getting in touch with our feminine side, and there aren't enough that challenge us the other way. Most films become too macho and forget the fact the men, as well as women, need to feel like men every now and again, and that we do have a train of thought outside mindless violence. I would be interested to find out any female reactions to the film. I'm not aiming to stereotype, or be chauvinistic here, I just feel that the film has a lot more to say about today's male society than a group of people beating the crap out of each other. MARK [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:10:49 -0000 From: "Mark Dainty" Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies You are all missing one of the all time greats - nope, I'm not talking about Chaplin, The Stooges or Harold Llloyd, nor am I talking about Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy or Adam Sandler. I, of course, am talking about Steve Martins' Meisterwerk "The Jerk" If this film don't make you wet your pants then you need a head transplant. MARK - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Desbiens To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: [MV] Favorite comedies > > > Hi ! > > The other day I was asking about your favorite "Emotional movies" .. but > what about those comedies ?? > > I like "dark" comedies often ... I listed some of my favorites below : > > - Fargo - 1996 > - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1977 > > - My cousin Vinny - 1992 > - Citizen Ruth - 1996 > - Living in oblivion - 1995 > - Kingpin - 1996 > - Being John Malkovich - 1999 > > - Election - 1999 > - Waiting for Guffman - 1996 > - Pecker - 1998 > - The breakfast club - 1985 > - The daytrippers - 1997 > - The naked gun - 1988 > > - Go - 1999 > - Stakeout - 1987 > - Freeway - 1995 > - No - 1998 (in french !) > - Pleasantville - 1998 > - Howard Stern's private parts - 1997 > > - Honeymoon in Vegas - 1992 > - Muriel's wedding - 1994 (from the land of OZ) > - Planes, trains and automobiles - 1988 > - Elvis Gratton - 1985 (in french !) > - Swingers - 1996 > - Crumb - 1994 > > - What about Bob ? - 1991 > - Get shorty - 1995 > > - Three o'clock high - 1987 (guilty pleasure film !) > Anyone heard of it ?? ;o) > > - The castle - 1997 (Those aussies doing it again !) > Love the scene where they "walk home" from the airport ! > > - SLC punk ! - 1999 (Am I the only one who likes this ?) > - The acid house - 1998 > > Some of these films may not be viewed by some people as being "comedies" > though ... like "Fargo" "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" "Freeway" etc. ... > But it shows the type of comedies I like most of the times ... films that > also have some "serious" moments in them ... > > Have a fine day ! > > Marc > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:10:00 -0700 From: ("Paul D Richardson") Subject: [MV] RE: Unhappy moviegoers ... > Interesting article in the newspaper yesterday morning concerning > moviegoers that are rather unhappy these days due to the poor > quality of the films that are presented ... Thanks for the article...interesting read. Personally, I'm tired of people who keep complaining about the quality of this years films, yet they only restrict themselves to mainstream films. If they'd only go to an arthouse every once in a while, they'd find a crop of good movies, as the independent scene this year has been better than average. I'm reminded of an old joke: PATIENT: Doctor, it hurts when I do this! DOCTOR: Well, don't do that! [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:58:42 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Wedding in blood - 1973 Hi ! This was a very good french film made by one of my favorite french director's : Claude Chabrol. ("The beast must die" - 1969, I talked about recently, was also made by him !) "Les noces rouges" is also available with english subtitles as "Wedding in blood" and as is often the case with Chabrol's films, it tells a fairly simple yet intriguing story involving murder ! A middle-aged man (Michel Piccoli) is married and having an affair with a younger woman (Stephanie Audran is certainly lovely !) who is also married to a sleazy politician (Claude Pieplu) who happens to be Piccoli's boss ... Piccoli's wife is ill and doesn't want to do anything all day long except lay down in bed and sleep ... so he is able to sneak out of the house easily and meet with Audran who is doing the same, except her husband is not ill but away on business ... This goes on for a while and there are some funny scenes as they almost get "caught" a few times ... including once when they are making love being some bushes and children are fishing on the nearby lake ... They are a bit naughty (**and** loving it !) ;o) Soon they start to think they would be better off if both of their spouses were out of the picture, Piccoli's wife is ill and weak and Audran's husband is boring and goes to bed at 8pm and never wants to make love to her anyway (The reason she is having an affair in the first place !) ... They think they would be able to meet more easily and be together all the time ... so they make up this plan to get rid of each other's spouse and not be bothered by the coppers of course ... I was reminded a little of "Double indemnity" in part except here they are not doing this for the money but because they want to be together ... Good acting, dialogues, camera work ... I was also thinking of some Hitchcock films in part ... "Vertigo" comes to mind (except I think this one is better ...) ;o) The last line said by Piccoli is also DISTURBING ... gotta love a film that ends with a "Bang" like that ! 3.5/5 overall, I can't go higher due to the first half hour of the film that is a bit slow but if you stick with it, it gets better and better along the way ... Marc ;o) - ----------------------------------------------------- " I met this six-year-old child, with this blind, pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ... the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up for I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! " Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis" "Halloween" - 1978 - ----------------------------------------------------- [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:59:32 -0000 From: "Mark Dainty" Subject: [MV] MEMENTO (2000) 4.5/5 Don't know what's happening out there in movie-land, but of late those of us in blighty have been getting some fairly decent films released waaaayyyyyy before you's guys. First we had "Snatch" (british film so understandable), then we had "O Brother Where Art Thou?" (definitely in my top 5 films of the year). Now, however, we have a film that will settle nicely in my top 3 of the year - Christopher Nolan's "MEMENTO". I'm sure that quite a few of you already know the plot, but for those of you who don't I'll give you a basic run-down, hopefully spoiler free. Guy Pearce (LA Confidential, Rules of Engagement), is an ex-insurance investigator by the name of Leonard, who is on a quest to find the guy that killed his wife. However, due to a head injury to him whilst the attack was taking place, he doesn't have the ability to form new memories, he can only remember what happened before the "incident". His memory now consists only of minutes. To aid him he takes polaroids of anyone and everything that he feels at the time he may need to remember. These include "associates", his car, the hotel where he stays, etc...you get the picture. Also he tatoos vital information regarding the pursuit of his wifes killer on his body. Now these ain't spoilers - just basic plot facts. The film itself unravels in a backwards narrative, that is interspersed with cut scenes of him telling his story to someone on the phone. This works in an excellent way, as the first segment of the film is actually the final scene. This backwards narrative means that you as a viewer suffer the same kind of short term memory loss as Leonard, we have no idea why he is doing what he is doing, just as he has no idea. Leonard's previous job as an insurance investigator brought him into contact with a guy who suffered the same condition, one Sammy Jankis. As Leonard met Sammy Jankis before the incident he can remember everything about him, and his condition (or maybe????), and therefore this gives Leonard a reason to be organised about the things that are important to him. Guy Pearce - it's hard to believe that this guy (no pun intended) found his footing on the Aussie daytime soap "Neighbours" (yes it IS spelled with a "U"). Our first real glimpse of him outside the soap world was in the very fine "Priscilla queen of the desert", then of course in "LA Confidential" which he basically carried, along with fellow Aussie Russell Crowe. After that we had "Ravenous" with Robert Carlysle, and more recently "Rules of Engagement". He is turning out to be an extremely accomplished and versatile young actor, and he is dead-on perfect for this role. Underplaying it to perfection. The rest of the cast are also very good. The "Matrix" connection begins with Guy Pearce, who starred with Hugo "Agent Smith" Weaving in "Priscilla", it continues with Joe "cypher" Pantoliano, as "friend" Teddy, and Carrie-Ann "Trinity" Moss as the strange Natalie. Essentially it is a three part player, but it really is the strength of Guy Pearce that makes this movie work. As for Christopher Nolan, I think that this may be his first film, and it is also based on a short story that he wrote. The direction is confident, and certainly brave in pulling off the backwards-narrative - it really does work, I know I keep harping on about it, but given Leonard's condition, it's the only way it could have been filmed. It's one of those films that you watch and you think that you have everything, then......well, you start to think about it a little bit more, and it makes you think about it a little bit more. It may seem like there are loose ends, but trust me, think about it enough and everything ties up. And the ending (which if the film was played forward would be the beginning) - KICK ASS is all I'm gonna say!!!!!!! I know you guys in the States have to wait until March 1st next year to see this, but my advice is check out the festival circuits and see if it is playing, because trust me - this is one film you don't want to miss. Til next time MARK DAINTY [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:44:16 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Red Planet & Orange Crush Hey Scott, good review ! You are confirming my suspicions that this was a bad film, just like Mission to Mars ... thanks !! I just bought a 2L bottle of Orange Crush (That delicious soft drink !) and it says on the bottle that I would have a 1$ rebate to go see Red planet if I brought the lil' platic "thingy" under the cap to any movie theater presenting the film ... That's rather "ace", no ?? You think I should change my mind ?? ;o) I also went to the video store and found "An affair of love" you talked about recently ... I shall rent it soon ... Have a fine day ! Marc ;o) - -------------------------------------------------------- > RED PLANET > Some genre films tease you with the prospect that they can be > something more substantial before degenerating into stupidity and cliche. > RED PLANET at least does viewers the courtesy of not wasting their time > with such futile hopes. In the opening minutes, Mars Mission Commander > Bowman (Carrie-Anne Moss) provides a voice-over neatly summarizing the > premise before launching into capsule characterizations of her crewmates. > That co-pilot Santen (Benjamin Bratt), he sure is a hot-head, which > undoubtedly will play a significant role in his ultimate fate. And that > scientist Burchenal (Tom Sizemore), he sure has an ego, which undoubtedly > will create some sort of character tension down the road. > > Dim-wittedness in Hollywood action films is only to be expected at > this point in cinema history. Vaguely pretentious dim-wittedness is pretty > inexcusable. RED PLANET sends a six-person crew to Mars in 2057 to find > out what has happened to oxygen-producing algae sent by earth scientists > as part of a colonization plan. You see, earth has become nearly > uninhabitable due to environmental degradation, and our only hope of > survival is creating a survivable atmosphere elsewhere, but something has > gone screwy because oxygen readings have suddenly dropped. The mission > team is ready to investigate when a freak radiation burst damages their > vessel, forcing an emergency evacuation of all personnel but Bowman. The > landing vehicle is damaged on impact, leaving the surviving crew members > -- including dashing chief engineer Gallagher (Val Kilmer) -- to figure > out a way to get back home. > > At certain points in RED PLANET, you can't help but wonder why anyone > wasted time on a back story at all. Though the very survival of the human > race is theoretically at stake, the film seems interested in that point > only to the extent that it can be included in press notes, in absurd > declarations like, "It's a smart movie that posits the question, what if > man fails to do the things necessary to live on earth?" In fact, RED > PLANET resolutely refuses to deal with anything beyond the basic goals of > its characters to find a way back to earth. Why does no one in the > stranded party refer to being thirsty or hungry after going without food > and water for more than a day? How would the people on earth be responding > to the apparent failure of this crucial mission? What exactly was the > reason that no one could detect any oxygen, when it turns out there's a > whole lot of it around? And why flirt with the notion that there's some > intelligence bent on thwarting the terraforming effort, only to make the > real villain of the piece the crew's resident malfunctioning evil robot? > > Silly questions, of course, since RED PLANET is kind enough to alert > you so quickly to its minimalist intentions. The characters spout dialogue > that alternates between inane exposition and pointless > self-characterization. "I'm a scientist, but I'm really interested in > philosophy," says philosophically-interested scientist Chantilas (Terence > Stamp), though not in so many words. "We're sexually attracted to one > another, so I hope neither one of us dies," say Bowman and Gallagher, > though not in so many words. "I sure wish it didn't take 40 minutes for > you to answer," says Bowman after sending a radio message to earth, > actually in so many words, just to let us know the writers knew at least > one science fact. It's a wonderful irony in RED PLANET that it places so > much weight on the fate of these six characters, only to make them utterly > weightless as actual characters. > > At odd intervals, something happens to slap the film out of its > oxygen-deprived stupor. Most of them involve Moss, whose strong presence > occasionally tricks you into thinking the film is better than it is. One > involves a great shot of the Mars lander taking a tumble for which it > certainly wasn't designed. And, sadly, many others involve the pleasure of > watching one or another of the annoying characters meet an untimely > demise. As directed by rookie feature director Antony Hoffman, this is a > lame special effects-driven action film that can't even be bothered to > provide a handful of visceral thrills. Lacking big-time action excitement, > competent story-telling or any desire to prevent you from walking out > scratching deep trenches into your head, RED PLANET is simply a > planet-sized waste of time. But at least it only wastes a few minutes of > your time before making that obvious. Scott > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:20:31 EST From: "Marc Desbiens" Subject: [MV] Sleepy Hollow, a family film ?? *** You must be delusional Alexis, Sleepy Hollow is not a comedy and it is certainly not a family film ... all those people being beheaded, a scary headless horseman roaming the countryside on his dark horse, grim and dark atmosphere throughout ... Infants watching this film would have nightmares for sure ... This is a Tim Burton film and he is not in the habit of making "family films" ... Even The nightmare before Christmas, his stop and go animated film is pretty weird and would most likely frighten some "miniatures" ... bizarre stuff going on, that "stick" figure going crazy, weirdos dancing and chanting ... etc. Sleepy Hollow was a very good movie but far from a comedy or family oriented (even if there aren't too many sexually explicit scenes, there is plenty of gory stuff not appropriate for kids as I said !) ... 3.5/5 ... Anybody else has COMMENTS about this ?? G'day to everyonnnne ! Marc ;o) - -------------------------------------------------- I think sleepy hollow was great if you look at it as a comedy.It wasn't much of a horror movie but still it was great plus its a movie you can sit with the family since it lacks all the sexual content that movies have become specially horror. I have the DVD version and I think its just a great one. 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