From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest) To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: movies-digest V2 #334 Reply-To: movies-digest Sender: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk movies-digest Saturday, June 9 2001 Volume 02 : Number 334 Re: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld" Re: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld" [MV] The 6th day - 2000 [MV] Arnold Schwarzenegger !! [MV] Wonder Boys - 2000 [MV] Men of honor - 2000 [MV] Ahem.... Sony fakes film critic [MV] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Remote - 2000 Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? Re: [MV] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Remote - 2000 Re: [MV] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Remote - 2000 Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? [MV] And the Oscar goes to ... [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl? [MV] Australia - the movie-land? [MV] Another discussion list about the 7th art? [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"? Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl? [MV] Jesus' son - 1999 Re: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl? Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land? [MV] Australia - the movie-land? Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:46:25 +0530 From: "Rahul" Subject: Re: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld" i thought it was a financial disaster.. what makes u think it was VERY popular? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld" > Q: What made Costner's film "Waterworld" so popular? Is > is the use of "water-cycles" or his ability to breathe > underwater after just a couple of mutant generations? > > Lav, > Gav > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:18:02 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: Re: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld" Maybe it depends on the country where the movie is shown? Here, in Yugoslavia, you could rent this futuristic movie in a video-rental store and play it in home. But, this movie was also shown in the cinemas in the capital of Yugoslavia - Belgrade. Perhaps someone was jealous on Steve and wanted to make out of his movie a - - diseaster? I am not much introduced as to "movie mob" ("undergound" for the movie world), but maybe Costner did not "ask" prior to shooting his movie and that's why he made it so quick, so that the others won't steal the idea? The latest Swartz Arnie movie shows similar "asap" attitude: it is such a pity, the idea is very, very "fresh" and actual, but despite the "calmness" of the Irish baldy (the doc, one that resurected his wify couple of times so he can have a true hard on?; fetish-sism?; necrofilia?; necro-mania?), with so little stunts and "by-standers" it was apparent that the movie was commercial and shot for the sake of a profit, not for the sake of Arnie's muscles (like in the Predator or, better, yet, "Connan the barbarian"). But, pardon my sudden switch, the helicopter scenes were done so perfect! I was watching each and every scene and, oh, boy do they have a TRUE talent for computer effects there! Not one "flaw"! It looked so real, as if those helicopters really exist?! (maybe Arnie's selling them, in "off-line" mode, ofcourse?) Back to the "Waterworld", maybe Steve himself started a roumour that the movie was not paying itself enough"? The marketing campaign of some movies don't "hit the target" in some countries, and it is a pity, for nowdays one can make such good commercial-intro even for some lesser quality movies. In the "Waterworld" one can see some "scent" of Mad Max atmosphere, yet it was obvious that the actors were not willing to "listen" to Costner's ideas. They were, how shall I put it, "very nervous" and it is more than obvious that someone disliked his idea of putting such realistic picture of the future on to the reel? (maybe it has something to do with the New Aquatic Order and the super-mega-extra sale of diving equipment, soil or, you name it for water-survival?) I liked Steve's "yacht-raft", it looked so "real", as if you can buy one in the store nearby (just like the helicopters in the cloning movie with Connan-actor). The end also looked very optimistic: (analogy to the Papillon's ending) one finds the promising land at last (though the other Steve did not put any map on someone's skin). So, how about some real estate on the high altitude and investing in the long-lasting diving equipment? Luv, Guv P.S. Maybe this movie has to do something with the "global warming" effect? Rahul wrote: > i thought it was a financial disaster.. what makes u think it was VERY > popular? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:25 PM > Subject: [MV] Steve Costner's "Waterworld" > > > Q: What made Costner's film "Waterworld" so popular? Is > > is the use of "water-cycles" or his ability to breathe > > underwater after just a couple of mutant generations? > > > > Lav, > > Gav > > > > > > > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] The 6th day - 2000 I watched this film tonight. It was fairly good although a bit too long for its own good. 3/5 is my score. Was it necessary to take 2 hours to tell this story ?? I agree with James Berardinelli who said this film would be better at 1 hour 30 minutes or so ... I was getting tired of those loud gunfights by the end ... Typical Arnold Schwarzenegger film, no big surprises here as we follow the life of Mr. Schwarzenegger in the "near future" ... He comes home one night and finds a double of himself in his own house, kissing his wife and smoking cigars among other things. I was pleased that in the future they say it is illegal to smoke and that people are actually locked up for doing that, seems appropriate ! (Starting *another* controversy, oh no !) ;-) The problem is the owner of a big company had him cloned thinking he was dead after witnessing a murder, only he wasn't *really* dead because there was a switch with Michael Rappaport ... Anyway, the plot is really not so important because all we want to see is Arnold defeating the bad guys of course ... I am not entirely sure about the plot in any case, why would they want to kill this guy or that one, a bit strange. Maybe I wasn't paying attention in part ! We get to see plenty of gadgets, special effects ... big guns, lasers ... technical mumbo-jumbo, fancy graphics on screen ... the works ! The acting is appropriate for an action film ... Arnold, Robert Duvall as a scientist working hard on cloning which is supposed to be illegal, except for pets ! At one point Duvall hands to Arnold everything he needs to have to blackmail and destroy the big kahuna in charge of this EVIL EMPIRE and I was rolling my eyes back ! It was just a bit too obvious, why not give him a rocket launcher and some hand grenades while you're at it, Bob ? Michael Rappaport also has a nice lil' part has a helicopter pilot who has a lovely "virtual girlfriend" ... ;-) I was often reminded of "Total recall" and "Eraser" as well ... this is not a bad Arnie film but it's not one of his best either. FYI : Roger Ebert : 3/4 James Berardinelli : 2.5/4 Flipside Movie Emporium : B - Marc ;-) ===== " Do you want to know what happens to an eyeball when it gets punctured ? .... " Rutger Hauer as "John Ryder", "The hitcher" (1986) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] Arnold Schwarzenegger !! Alright, I checked out the IMDB and made up the list of the Arnold Schwarzenegger films I have seen over the years ... Pretty good scores overall and he is still making action films these days despite being over 50 years old : "Terminator 3" and "True lies 2" are in pre-production ... and there are talks to possibly make "Total recall 2" as well ... those sequels ! Here's the list, no particular order inside the different sections !! - - The terminator - 1984 - 4/5 - - Predator - 1987 - 4/5 (Guilty pleasure !) - - Terminator 2 : Judgment day - 1991 - 4/5 - - True lies - 1994 - 4/5 - - Commando - 1985 - 3.5/5 - - Running man - 1987 - 3.5/5 - - Total recall - 1990 - 3.5/5 - - Red heat - 1988 - 3/5 - - Eraser - 1996 - 3/5 - - End of days - 1999 - 3/5 (I consider this one to be a comedy since I am laughing so often while watching it, it fails totally as an action film but as a comedy it is effective !) - - The 6th day - 2000 - 3/5 - - Raw deal - 1986 - 2.5/5 - - Twins - 1988 - 2.5/5 - - Kindergarden cop - 1990 - 2/5 - - Last action hero - 1993 - 2/5 - - Batman & Robin - 1997 - 1/5 Overall I liked 11 out of those 16 films (3/5 or more required !) so Arnold is pretty "solid" ... Only one totally awful film : "Batman & Robin" ... ;-) Cheers ! Marc ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] Wonder Boys - 2000 ***** Marc ;-) ** Some spoilers ** Gauti wrote : Hi group, When it started, I had a feeling it was going to > be a total > downer, what with Tobey Maguire's depressive character > and the > general outpouring of negativity. **** I agree the film was a bit depressing when it started but then it got better along the way ... > > But from then on things just totally picked up, and at > about the > halfway point, it suddenly struck me that I was > absolutely in love > with these characters. Every single character here is so > well > thought out and beautiful in their own way; **** I liked everyone except Downey Jr., his off screen antics were influencing me, such a shame because he is talented ... I liked that reference to "Natural born killers" too ... when he is in that bar and they play a song that is on the NBK soundtrack, as you know he appears in NBK too ... ;-) even the > small roles > sparkle, like the transvestite that Robert Downey Jr. > picks up on the > airplane -- a character that initially looked like a > two-dimensional > caricature, but who in the end turned out to be charming > and sad and > weary and wise all at the same time. Just beautiful. **** Yes, it surprised me ... the transvestite was obviously a superfreak (like in the song !) but there was more to her/him than that of course ... That scene with Douglas in the car was powerful. > > And the fact that every performance is nothing short of > flawless > doesn't hurt either. Michael Douglas has gained new > respect in my > eyes after taking this role; he allows himself a > vulnerability that > I've never before seen in him, and needless to say the > movie benefits > immensely from it. Frances McDormand, my favorite > actress, is > heartbreakingly good also, proving once again her > immeasurable range - > - this character is radically different from her snappily > righteous, > overprotective mother and her cozy but astute small-town > policewoman, > but she pulls this one off with the same effortless, > no-nonsense > skill that's become her hallmark. Young Tobey Maguire > hits all the > right notes in a sweet, sweet performance, ***** So true ... top notch performances right *there* ... Hanson also had those good actors in "LA Confidential" of course ... another 3.5/5 film for me. He just misses the "bull's eye" for me. and Robert > Downey Jr. > lights up the screen every time he graces the camera with > his > presence. **** Lights up as in "tilted" like a pinball machine ? ;-) As for Katie Holmes...she could be the worst > actress in > the world, and I would still hunt down everything she's > ever been in > and watch it religiously. But that's just me. Then > again, it's > probably not just me. Heh. **** mmmmm .. oh yeah ! > > I simply can't say enough good things about this movie. > I'll list > one more and then stop, so as not to risk turning into a > pile of mush > right here. This film has one of those senses of humor > that creeps > up behind you and tickles the hair on the back of your > neck instead > of bludgeoning you over the head. I can't remember > laughing as much > at a movie in a long time. **** I laughed a few times ... I wouldn't say it was a very funny movie overall though ... watching downey running after those pages was sumthin' else ... also Douglas calling that black guy "Vernon" all the time and trying to get away from him ... Dead dog in the trunk of the car ... ;-) Example: the hilarious scene > where > Maguire takes his first sip of strong liquor and spits > out a pill, > which promptly sticks itself to Douglas's lapel. The > camera makes no > effort to point this out at the moment it happens, opting > instead to > focus on Douglas's exasperated face. This is so > infinitely funnier > than if they'd gone with a close-up of the pill during > its moment of > landing. "Ha, ha, ha," I found myself spewing. "Ha, ha, > ha, ha, ha, > ha, ha." And so on. **** Yes, amusing scene, I couldn't believe my eyes ... hehe ! > > Ah hell, I can't stop. The dialogue, the acting, the > characters, the > humor (am I sounding redundant yet?), the situations, the > emotions, > the music, *everything* ... I LOVED this film. > Absolutely bloody > fantastic. **** Wowo !! ;-) > > I'm gonna go turn into a big pile of mush now. Be seeing > ya. > Gauti **** Good review Gauti, I liked the film but not as much as you did obviously. 3.5/5 Marc ;-) ===== " Look - I'm here with my partner and 9 other people, see, and we're dying, man ... You're gonna see our brains on the sidewalk - they're gonna spill our guts out ... Now you're gonna show that on television - have all the housewives look at that instead of 'As the world turns' ... I mean what have you got for me ? I want something for that, man ... " Al Pacino as "Sonny" - "Dog day afternoon" (1975) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] Men of honor - 2000 I saw this film last night. 3/5. Good film although it is a bit one-sided and hammers some points constanly, manipulating the audience, etc. Top notch acting in this film starring Cuba Gooding Jr. and Robert De Niro. It begins in the 1940's, based on the real life of Carl Brashear. Cuba is a young black man who wants to be in the Navy to be "the best that he can be" and to honor his father ... The only problem is that since he is a black man he can only be either a cook or an officer's valet. He wants to be a diver instead. De Niro is a diver on the same ship but he is not very respectful of his superiors. He also has a drinking problem so he keeps getting in trouble, getting demoted, fined, etc. Charlize Theron has a small part as De Niro's lovely young wife. Michael Rapaport plays a recruit who tries to be nice towards Cuba *even* if he is a black man ... His excuse is that he is "from Wisconsin" so he doesn't really care about the racism issues. In fact I felt there was too much of these "poor lil' oppressed black man" scenes in that movie ... All the white men presented in this film are racist pigs basically except for De Niro (In part !) and Rapaport ... a bit hard to believe that 98% of the white men at that time were treating black citizens like dirt, using the "N" word, making death threats, etc. Isn't that "reversed" racism against white folks ?? We basically follow Cuba's quest to become a diver despite these harsh conditions ... He also meets a nice wee lass at one point ... I was thinking "Oh please..." in part though as this girl kept popping up very conveniently all the time to witness some important moments in Cuba's life ... She even enters a bar at one point which was ridiculous considering the time period ... Would a young black woman walk into a bar filled with racist white folks all by herself at night .. and just in time to see an important event ?? Seems unlikely ! Overall it was a good film but I felt it was too manipulative as I said. I was reminded of "GI Jane" sometimes ... FYI : Roger Ebert : 3/4 James Berardinelli : 2.5/4 Marc ;-) ===== " Look - I'm here with my partner and 9 other people, see, and we're dying, man ... You're gonna see our brains on the sidewalk - They're gonna spill our guts out ... Now you're gonna show that on television - Have all the housewives look at that instead of 'As the world turns' - I mean what have you got for me ? I want something for that ... " Al Pacino as "Sonny" - "Dog day afternoon" (1975) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:12:25 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [MV] Ahem.... Sony fakes film critic http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8370,00.html - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Remote - 2000 Hi there !! Ok, this will probably bring me some "HEAT" but I didn't think this film was good ... 2.5/5 ... I know most critics loved it though ! In fact I was quite bored in part, hence my "alternate title" up there ... I was quite tempted to use the remote control in part to fast forward through some of those loooooooong and only mildly interesting scenes. The plot is well known ... Chow Yun Phat and Michelle Yeoh want to get back a special sword that has been stolen ... A couple of love stories mixed up in this, bla-bla ... It was amusing near the beginning as Phat kept saying it was a man who had stolen the sword yet it was so obvious it was a woman, I mean he saw the thief up close and personal and that girl was like 5'3", 110 pounds ... he was confused because she had a lil' mask over her face ?? Reminded me of the Batman films where nobody can recognize Bruce Wayne because he has a mask over the top half of his face ... hehe !! It's really only the fight scenes that kept me watching because I really didn't care about that sword, the love stories or what would happen to the characters. The special effects were cool although quite repetitive, By the end I was getting tired of seeing wee girls flying through the air brandishing huge swords ... It looked good though, the visuals ... "Everybody was kung fu fighting ..." The acting was appropriate too. It's really not the actors fault, it's the script that left me cold ... All those long scenes, like the one in the desert at one point, lasts 15 minutes at least, that barbarian taking care of the wee lass ... A lil' bit of love making in the cave, etc. I was thinking ... "Zzzzzzzzzz !!" ... All this cos' she wanted her precious comb back ? Oh please ... I was reminded of those Jackie Chan films actually because in those films too I am bored by the story and only like the fight scenes ... "Crouching Tiger Hidden Remote" was like a Jackie Chan film only with better actors, a better and more serious script too but it's quite similar. Good action scenes followed by mildly interesting stuff. I was also thinking of "The matrix", impressive technically but the story itself is really sub par. Also they kept using deadly weapons in the movie yet hardly anybody bleeds at all ... where were the blood & guts ?? With all the swords and sharp objects being used it is unlikely that so few people would be hurt, it seemed very "choreographed" ... It wasn't nasty enough, more on the "sappy-la-la" side ... Ok, putting on my full body armor now ... Cheers ! Marc ;-) ===== " Look - I'm here with my partner and 9 other people, see, and we're dying, man ... You're gonna see our brains on the sidewalk - They're gonna spill our guts out ... Now you're gonna show that on television - Have all the housewives look at that instead of 'As the world turns' - I mean what have you got for me ? I want something for that ... " Al Pacino as "Sonny" - "Dog day afternoon" (1975) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:06:36 +0100 From: "geeg23" Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? The point you are missing is that Pappillion is based on a true story and the Hoffman character in reality, was jewish. Yours Gerry T. - -----Original Message----- From: gavromil@EUnet.yu To: movies@lists.xmission.com Date: 04 June 2001 08:09 Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? >Dear geeg23, > >For the sake of the discussion group I shall not persuade the matter further. > >As to the "jewish nonsense" ... well, I disagree. You see, everyone needs some >sort of a "mirror" to see the reflection. In this case, I was trying to >establish the objective opinion of a movie, not of "jewishness". I can't see >very well the reflection of this movie to the others. This movie really "hit the >line" with me and I was wondering how did others accept it? > >It is so great to have a place where you can openly, with no fear, express your >comments about some artistic masterpiece (like the movie "Papillon"). > >Since I don't want to become "troll", I won't pursue this critics further >(although it is a pity that not many see this movie, and many others, like a >part of a Jewish culture, and, moreover, a part of the World culture, of our >civilization, how we are, what we are, where are we going, etc.). > >Thank you Gerry T. for "putting me in the right direction" (see, it's my first >time I am on some movie discussion list).. > >Luv, >Guv > > >geeg23 wrote: > >> I honestly cannot believe that you write these "insights" on film seriously. >> Either you are some sort of Troll or have a screw loose. Just because one >> person who is old gives up does not mean that the other one (Mcqueen) loses >> the spirit to fight on. Can we stop all this jewish nonsense? Obviously >> there are not many in this newsgroup that take you seriously as there is >> never many replies to your deranged theories. >> Yours >> Gerry T. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: 31 May 2001 15:10 >> Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? >> >> > >> > >> > geeg23 wrote: >> > >> > > Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't escape >> > > because he was old.......duhhh!!! >> > > Yours >> > > Gerry T. >> > > > >> > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >> > >> >> [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:53:32 -0500 From: Diane Christy Subject: Re: [MV] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Remote - 2000 At 10:47 AM -0700 6/7/01, Marc Desbiens wrote: >Ok, this will probably bring me some "HEAT" but I didn't >think this film was good ... 2.5/5 ... I know most critics >loved it though ! > >In fact I was quite bored in part, hence my "alternate >title" up there ... I was quite tempted to use the remote >control in part to fast forward through some of those >loooooooong and only mildly interesting scenes. Don't feel bad, Marc. I didn't like it either. - -- ~~~~~ Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom) Jefferson, LA http://www.geocities.com/diane507/ mailto:dchristy10@earthlink.net ICQ #12904700 on Instant AOL Messenger ~~~~~ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:42:16 -0400 From: Gene Ehrich Subject: Re: [MV] Crouching Tiger, Hidden Remote - 2000 At 10:47 AM 6/7/01 -0700, you wrote: >Ok, this will probably bring me some "HEAT" but I didn't >think this film was good ... 2.5/5 ... I know most critics >loved it though ! It was an OK film but the only enjoyable part was the amazing computer animation fight scenes. Other than that it was a rather boring movie. I might give it a 3/5 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gene@ehrich.com gehrich@tampabay.rr.com P.O. Box 3365 Spring Hill Florida 34611-3365 http://www.voicenet.com/~generic Computer & Video Game Garage Sale [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 05:19:07 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? I did not know it was based on a true story. My apologies. Lav, Gav geeg23 wrote: > The point you are missing is that Pappillion is based on a true story and > the Hoffman character in reality, was jewish. > Yours > Gerry T. > -----Original Message----- > From: gavromil@EUnet.yu > To: movies@lists.xmission.com > Date: 04 June 2001 08:09 > Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? > > >Dear geeg23, > > > >For the sake of the discussion group I shall not persuade the matter > further. > > > >As to the "jewish nonsense" ... well, I disagree. You see, everyone needs > some > >sort of a "mirror" to see the reflection. In this case, I was trying to > >establish the objective opinion of a movie, not of "jewishness". I can't > see > >very well the reflection of this movie to the others. This movie really > "hit the > >line" with me and I was wondering how did others accept it? > > > >It is so great to have a place where you can openly, with no fear, express > your > >comments about some artistic masterpiece (like the movie "Papillon"). > > > >Since I don't want to become "troll", I won't pursue this critics further > >(although it is a pity that not many see this movie, and many others, like > a > >part of a Jewish culture, and, moreover, a part of the World culture, of > our > >civilization, how we are, what we are, where are we going, etc.). > > > >Thank you Gerry T. for "putting me in the right direction" (see, it's my > first > >time I am on some movie discussion list).. > > > >Luv, > >Guv > > > > > >geeg23 wrote: > > > >> I honestly cannot believe that you write these "insights" on film > seriously. > >> Either you are some sort of Troll or have a screw loose. Just because > one > >> person who is old gives up does not mean that the other one (Mcqueen) > loses > >> the spirit to fight on. Can we stop all this jewish nonsense? Obviously > >> there are not many in this newsgroup that take you seriously as there is > >> never many replies to your deranged theories. > >> Yours > >> Gerry T. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: 31 May 2001 15:10 > >> Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > geeg23 wrote: > >> > > >> > > Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't > escape > >> > > because he was old.......duhhh!!! > >> > > Yours > >> > > Gerry T. > >> > > > > > > > >> > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > >> > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > >> > > >> > >> [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > >> [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:06:23 +0100 From: "geeg23" Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? Please don't take my rants personally, I just have a personal dislike for deep theories on films that are not really there. I once sat in a film studies class and heard that one critic (who had recently discovered he was gay) read a whole homosexual subtext into "Rio Bravo" claiming that it was not a western but a film about homosexual relationships which prompted me to ask "Is there any gay films that are in actuality just a bloody good western?" Yours Gerry T. If you want a bit of fun, quote me a film and I'll try and argue some weird "true" meaning to it. - -----Original Message----- From: gavromil@EUnet.yu To: movies@lists.xmission.com Date: 08 June 2001 12:21 Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? >I did not know it was based on a true story. My apologies. > >Lav, >Gav > > >geeg23 wrote: > >> The point you are missing is that Pappillion is based on a true story and >> the Hoffman character in reality, was jewish. >> Yours >> Gerry T. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gavromil@EUnet.yu >> To: movies@lists.xmission.com >> Date: 04 June 2001 08:09 >> Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? >> >> >Dear geeg23, >> > >> >For the sake of the discussion group I shall not persuade the matter >> further. >> > >> >As to the "jewish nonsense" ... well, I disagree. You see, everyone needs >> some >> >sort of a "mirror" to see the reflection. In this case, I was trying to >> >establish the objective opinion of a movie, not of "jewishness". I can't >> see >> >very well the reflection of this movie to the others. This movie really >> "hit the >> >line" with me and I was wondering how did others accept it? >> > >> >It is so great to have a place where you can openly, with no fear, express >> your >> >comments about some artistic masterpiece (like the movie "Papillon"). >> > >> >Since I don't want to become "troll", I won't pursue this critics further >> >(although it is a pity that not many see this movie, and many others, like >> a >> >part of a Jewish culture, and, moreover, a part of the World culture, of >> our >> >civilization, how we are, what we are, where are we going, etc.). >> > >> >Thank you Gerry T. for "putting me in the right direction" (see, it's my >> first >> >time I am on some movie discussion list).. >> > >> >Luv, >> >Guv >> > >> > >> >geeg23 wrote: >> > >> >> I honestly cannot believe that you write these "insights" on film >> seriously. >> >> Either you are some sort of Troll or have a screw loose. Just because >> one >> >> person who is old gives up does not mean that the other one (Mcqueen) >> loses >> >> the spirit to fight on. Can we stop all this jewish nonsense? Obviously >> >> there are not many in this newsgroup that take you seriously as there is >> >> never many replies to your deranged theories. >> >> Yours >> >> Gerry T. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> >> To: >> >> Sent: 31 May 2001 15:10 >> >> Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > geeg23 wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Enough of the absolute bull you speak...........maybe he didn't >> escape >> >> > > because he was old.......duhhh!!! >> >> > > Yours >> >> > > Gerry T. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> >> > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >> >> > >> >> >> >> [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> >> [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >> > >> >> [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >> [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > >[ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] And the Oscar goes to ... Alright, I now have seen 4 out of the 5 nominated films for "Best picture" in 2000 ... Here's a recap of my ratings : - - Gladiator : 3.5/5 - - Chocolat : 3.5/5 - - Erin Brockovich : 3/5 - - Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon : 2.5/5 It's a rather "weak" selection in the "Best picture" category ... The only one I haven't seen yet is "Traffic" and I expect it to be superior material of course ... Douglas, Zeta-Jones, Del Toro, Cheadle, Guzman, Soderbergh ... It's a dream team !! 4/5 or more would be expected !! I should see it fairly soon !! Films that could/should have been nominated in that category but were ignored include : (Partial list since I haven't seen a few of the contenders !) - - Requiem for a dream - 4.5/5 - - The cell - 4.5/5 ;-) - - American psycho - 4/5 - - Best in show - 4/5 - - Chicken run - 4/5 - - Chuck and Buck - 4/5 - - The Patriot - 4/5 ;-) - - Nurse Betty - 3.5/5 - - Meet the parents - 3.5/5 - - The contender - 3.5/5 - - Dancer in the dark - 3.5/5 - - Wonder boys - 3.5/5 Last year the nominated films were slightly better in comparison : - - American beauty - 5/5 **** Last film I gave 5/5 to. - - The sixth sense - 4/5 - - The insider - 3.5/5 - - The Cider house rules - 3.5/5 - - The green mile - 3.5/5 Cheers !! Marc ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:56:53 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl? Q: In the movie called "the invisible man", what happened to the girl (neighbor) - the victim of the invisible man, after he "had" her? Did he murder his neighbor after "experiencing" her? Luv, Guv [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:45:45 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: [MV] Australia - the movie-land? Q: Is it true that Australia tends to become one of the major film industries country? Lav, Gav [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:44:29 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: [MV] Another discussion list about the 7th art? Q: Apart from movies and movie_review, is there another discussion list about movies in a broader sense? Thank you. Luv, Guv [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:54:14 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: [MV] The electrocution in the "Invisible man"? Q: Is it really possible to make a magnet (electro-magnet) out of coiled wire and open the door of the refrigerator in the movie "the invisible man"? Wouldn't that girl (in the regrigerator) get electric shock just by touching such great voltage and wouldn't a wounded man behind her fall into a coma due to his wound and low temperature? Lav, Gav [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:23:59 +0200 From: gavromil@EUnet.yu Subject: Re: [MV] Why Dustin stayed on the island and Steve left? Hi geeg23! geeg23 wrote: > Please don't take my rants personally, I just have a personal dislike for > deep theories on films that are not really there. I once sat in a film > studies class and heard that one critic (who had recently discovered he was > gay) read a whole homosexual subtext into "Rio Bravo" claiming that it was > not a western but a film about homosexual relationships which prompted me to > ask "Is there any gay films that are in actuality just a bloody good > western?" About western movies ... that scene when the married man helps Shane fight the scoundrels in that bar, is that homosexual, brotherly love (compassion) or bravery? By the way, did Shane died at the end of the movie (on his horse)? > Yours > Gerry T. > If you want a bit of fun, quote me a film and I'll try and argue some weird > "true" meaning to it. > Hey, why not? How about the american movie with Tom Hanks as the starring actor and whose name I suddenly forgot, but deals with some political topics like Vietnam, etc. If I can recollect well this movie (or the actor) won Oscar? Here's my question: what's the point of Forest Gump (hey, maybe that's how the movie's called?; I'm still unsure though) being "a bit" retarded? Was there a slight intention as to mock and insult the American system, or it was a liberal approach as to criticizing the way the Americans look at the American (national?) history? Huh. I don't think that's a hard one? Luv, Guv [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl? **** Yes, it is never seen but it is assumed that he killed her ... or I assumed he did ! Careful with your choice of words there, man ... "had her" .. "experienced her" ... I mean ... come on ! Cheers ! Marc ;-) - --- gavromil@EUnet.yu wrote: > Q: In the movie called "the invisible man", what > happened to the girl (neighbor) - the victim of the > invisible man, after he "had" her? Did he murder his > neighbor after "experiencing" her? > > Luv, > Guv > > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message > "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] Jesus' son - 1999 Ok, I finished watching this film. I thought it was very good. 3.5/5 Billy Crudup plays a young man who has some issues. He is on the road for half the film in hot pursuit of a wee lass he is infatuated with. This girl is played by Samantha Morton. She has major drug problems, injecting drugs into her veins daily, and soon Crudup is doing exactly the same thing ... They are in love but they also fight often over all sorts of petty things. It's mostly a character development tale, not a whole lot of action, drug use, working at odd jobs, staying in hotel rooms ... It is still very watchable of course as we follow the characters and their struggle to survive on a day-to-day basis with their addiction ... Crudup and Morton are both excellent, Jack Black also has a small part as a hospital worker where Crudup finds a job ... Holly Hunter appears near the end too. Some part of the film are funny, dark humor ! For example at one point in the hospital a man enters with a knife sticking out of one of his eyes ... then the nurse writes on the medical report : "Patient complains of pain caused by a knife stuck in his eye ..." ;-) I was reminded of "Drugstore cowboy" sometimes ... "Permanent midnight" also came to mind ... Worth a loof if you like "nasty" low budget films of course ... FYI Roger Ebert : 3.5/4 James Berardinelli : 3/4 Marc ;-) ===== " Look - I'm here with my partner and 9 other people, see, and we're dying, man ... You're gonna see our brains on the sidewalk - They're gonna spill our guts out ... Now you're gonna show that on television - Have all the housewives look at that instead of 'As the world turns' - I mean what have you got for me ? I want something for that ... " Al Pacino as "Sonny" - "Dog day afternoon" (1975) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:50:00 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] What happened to the "raped" girl? At 12:43 PM 6/8/2001 -0700, you wrote: >**** Yes, it is never seen but it is assumed that he killed >her ... or I assumed he did ! Dunno. Since she had no idea who or what he was, I just sort of assumed he left her there and went back out. I mean, it's not like she could pick him out of a lineup, or anything:-) Speaking of.... the original (much more violent) scene was discussed on the DVD edition. >Careful with your choice of words there, man ... "had her" >.. "experienced her" ... > >I mean ... come on ! Know what is really funny/ironic?? The SPAM that directly followed this message. Just the title: Subject: EXPLODE YOUR SEX LIFE WITH HERBAL VIAGRA !! (Maybe someone is trying to tell me something:-) Regards, - --Mel Mel Eperthener Lizard Of Oz Video Gowanna MultiMedia Pty, Inc 1700 Mt Royal Blvd PO Box 95184 Glenshaw, PA 15116 Pittsburgh, PA 15223 (412) 684-1400 [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:42:18 -0400 From: Mel Eperthener Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land? At 08:45 PM 6/8/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Q: Is it true that Australia tends to become one of the >major film industries country? Tends to?? Tends to?? We're already there, mate:-) And to me, a good indication are all the great Aussie movies that have been ripped off as tepid Yank remakes:-) Everything from The Road Warrior (remade as the film... well, I hate to say it Gav, but you are definitely in a minority in liking it..... Waterworld.... almost scene for scene) to Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. (I don't care if you are a raging homophobe {not that there is anything wrong with that:-)}, you still have to see it... and much better than To Wong Foo...) to Me Myself I (obviously where Family Man got the idea) and so many in the interim. Additionally, both the Star Wars series and the Matrix series are/have been filming extensively there, and M:I-2 was even set there. And that is just off the top of my head. Regards, - --Mel Mel Eperthener Lizard Of Oz Video Gowanna MultiMedia Pty, Inc 1700 Mt Royal Blvd PO Box 95184 Glenshaw, PA 15116 Pittsburgh, PA 15223 (412) 684-1400 [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Desbiens Subject: [MV] Australia - the movie-land? Oh come on ... You're exaggerating, Mel ... How many films are made in Australia each year ?? Not that many ... The matrix 2 and 3, MI2, Pitch Black, The dish, Siam Sunset ... etc. The bulk of the films are made in the USA and Canada ... now we get plenty of american films that are made here in Canada because it saves the studio money ... I'm not saying the aussie films are bad, on the contrary, they are quite often good and more original, taking chances ... but when I think of countries where a lot of films are made, Australia is *probably* in the top 5 ... USA, Canada, UK, France, Australia ... Hoo Roo, mate !! Marc ;-) - --- Mel Eperthener wrote: > At 08:45 PM 6/8/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >Q: Is it true that Australia tends to become one of > the > >major film industries country? > > > Tends to?? Tends to?? We're already there, mate:-) > > And to me, a good indication are all the great Aussie > movies that have been > ripped off as tepid Yank remakes:-) Everything from The > Road Warrior > (remade as the film... well, I hate to say it Gav, but > you are definitely > in a minority in liking it..... Waterworld.... almost > scene for scene) to > Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. (I don't care if you are > a raging > homophobe {not that there is anything wrong with > that:-)}, you still have > to see it... and much better than To Wong Foo...) to Me > Myself I (obviously > where Family Man got the idea) and so many in the > interim. > > Additionally, both the Star Wars series and the Matrix > series are/have been > filming extensively there, and M:I-2 was even set there. > > And that is just off the top of my head. > > Regards, > > --Mel > > > > > Mel Eperthener > > Lizard Of Oz Video Gowanna MultiMedia Pty, Inc > 1700 Mt Royal Blvd PO Box 95184 > Glenshaw, PA 15116 Pittsburgh, PA 15223 > > (412) 684-1400 > > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message > "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com > ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:08:46 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [MV] Australia - the movie-land? Don't forget Star Wars Episode 2 But currently, Canada is still getting most of Hollywood's film dollars as an out of Hollywood locale. Dexter Mel Eperthener wrote: > At 08:45 PM 6/8/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >Q: Is it true that Australia tends to become one of the > >major film industries country? > > Tends to?? Tends to?? We're already there, mate:-) > > And to me, a good indication are all the great Aussie movies that have been > ripped off as tepid Yank remakes:-) Everything from The Road Warrior > (remade as the film... well, I hate to say it Gav, but you are definitely > in a minority in liking it..... Waterworld.... almost scene for scene) to > Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. (I don't care if you are a raging > homophobe {not that there is anything wrong with that:-)}, you still have > to see it... and much better than To Wong Foo...) to Me Myself I (obviously > where Family Man got the idea) and so many in the interim. > > Additionally, both the Star Wars series and the Matrix series are/have been > filming extensively there, and M:I-2 was even set there. > > And that is just off the top of my head. > > Regards, > > --Mel > > Mel Eperthener > > Lizard Of Oz Video Gowanna MultiMedia Pty, Inc > 1700 Mt Royal Blvd PO Box 95184 > Glenshaw, PA 15116 Pittsburgh, PA 15223 > > (412) 684-1400 > > [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ movies" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] - -- Dexter S. 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