From: hockey-goalie-request@xmission.com Subject: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #7 Date: 05 Nov 1996 16:11:08 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain hockey-goalie Digest Volume 96 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Re: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #6 (Pad [ Scott Battram ] Message-Id: <199610291319.IAA12581@execulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes the rule is 12" But, very seldom is the rule enforced, #1 most refs do not carry a stick gauge, let alone a tape measure, and no guy wants to be asking for these, as it makes them look bad if they do not have one. #2, Chances are, unless the teams goalie who asks for the penalty, is using old equipment, there will be at least one piece of equipment on him that would be illegal. Therefor, why ask when the team asking for the penalty could have the situation backfire on them. #3, Yes, you would have to be a real jerk to ask for such a penalty. since, even 1 inch really does not give the goalie that big of an advantage, it could also be argued that the new technology in stick materials gives forwards an unfair advantage, but we wont see rules being made to enforce this. As for the CURTS CURVE: In Canadian Minor hockey the CURTIS CURVE has been ruled illegal, (as they claim it gives the goalie an unfair advantage in clearing the puck) But in JNR, and PRO I do belike it is ok to use. On the past weekend, a penalty was issued in the final game of a tournament here in Woodstock, and the penalty resulted in the opposing team being able to score a tying goal. (The opposing team went on to score the winner) This was a cheap penalty to ask for, but it worked, and it is the responsibility for the coaching staff and the players to be aware of the rule changes and know that the stick was illegal, and should not have been used. (This was an obvious infraction, but the stick did not aid this 12 year old goalie in any way...) Pad widths are not so obvious... but the rule is still there... but so long as all makers are making their gear 12.5 - 13" I think your safe...as chances are the other goalies stuff is illegal too! Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961030134625.0cd7bca2@magna.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, This past weekend has been great for me. Saturday night was midget grand final which was a 3-0 win...but i was backup. Sunday night was SeniorA grandfinal where i played. 5-3 win as well. Heres a tip: Dont get covered in champagne until you're out of ur goal pads....especially if you've got a game the next day!! My pads were sickening!!! [[[ ]]] [[[-@@-----@@-]]] [[[ # o^o # ]]] (#) U (#) "I'm not black or white or rich or poor or stupid (#####) or smart. I'm me. And I'm the best and only me (###) there is and ever will be." ##### ## ## -March from "The Maze Garden Mystery" ### ### arnsat@magna.com.au Message-ID: <19961031043431.AAA2120@LOCALNAME> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >My 12 year old goalie son had two games this weekend, and in each he allowed >3 goals in the 1st period. In both games the 1st shot he faced went in. Not a >big deal. But in both games, he proceeded to shut the teams out for the >remainder of the games. So, how do I get him to play the 1st period with the >same kind of intensity as he does the 2nd & 3rd? > >Thanks, > >Mike Hollis >Coach, Referee, Broke Goalie Parent Mike, I had the EXACT problem when starting out (though I was 8). In my case - as I'm sure it is for your son - it's happened for the same reason -- TOO MUCH THINKING!!! He wants to progress faster than what's expected of him. He wants to impress his teammates, his coaches, not to mention making his dad proud of him (though I'm sure his dad is quite proud of him already). What he's probably doing is thinking a lot about the game on the way to the rink, then thinking some more while dressing, then thinking about what his coaches are telling him. By the time the kid hits the ice, his mind is going a-mile-a-minute. Before he knows it, he sees his first shooter bearing down on him and he's thinking about which move in practice he's going to use to stop the shot. By the time he's made his selection, the puck is headed right passed him. But after the goal, all that thinking seems pretty meaningless to him. So he stops thinking and begins to concentrate on what he has to do. When I was starting, the above situation happened to me. For years I never understood why I never progressed as fast as I should have. I became so frustrated that I quite for some time. What my brother told me to do (years later) was to relax and just STOP THINKING. I read comics or anything else on the way to the rink (riding on the R train from Queens to Manhattan). I got there with JUST enough time to get on my equipment and hit the ice (not a problem when your talking about the NYC subway system). Then I just got out there and played, not thinking about teammates, not caring who were the opponents or about any coaches strategy. I came, I saw, I played and I improved steadily since then. Goaltending requires instinct, which often gets confused with (and misinterpreted as) deep mental thought. But your son is playing a game, not trying to reach some Zen state of being. Leave the deep thought for the phychology class he'll take in college. Top goaltenders have a tendancy to disconnect thier cerebral cortex when they hit the ice. To them (and I'm sure you've heard this before) there is no crowd, no noise from the stands, even their teamates are peripherally there. They just stop the puck because they "instictively react"; not "think first and then react" -- the latter takes a nanosecond too long. Right now he's a kid, and kids have a ton of energy to burn. Tell him to take it easy and have ton of fun. Hopefully, your son will realize this sooner than I did and acheive a higher level of play than I did (College). I'm sure having a supportive father like yourself will only make it that much easier for him. John Ordonez Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961105181211.00687ab0@en.com> Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" I haven't received a message in Days, and the one I do get are filled with garbage? What's Up? Mike "Thriller" Jackson End of hockey-goalie Digest V96 Issue #7 **************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hockey-goalie-request@xmission.com Subject: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #8 Date: 10 Nov 1996 12:10:39 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain hockey-goalie Digest Volume 96 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: Re: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #6 [ "Steven Sanyal" ] Message-Id: <96Nov5.222714est.795162(1)@bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I had the EXACT problem when starting out (though I was 8). In my case - as > I'm sure it is for your son - it's happened for the same reason -- TOO MUCH > THINKING!!! Hey, I'm 23, and I still have that problem! Mind you, I"ve only played for 22 months, so maybe that's why! I often find that when I get to the rink with just enough time to get my equipment on, I play much, much better. I often find that even if I don't even get a warmup, I end up playing solid. In other games, I get long warmups, skate around a lot, and by the time the game starts, I'm not that sharp, I'm not that fresh. I find that when I don't get a warmup, I'm more fresh, alert and ready to go. But the thinking part is all too true. I have found though that while I'm driving or when I get my equipment on, it does help to close my eyes (well, maybe not close them while I'm driving!) and visualize making saves. Steve Message-Id: <199611070013.QAA04296@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> I don't know about anyone else but, I really don't like this new format of the list. Bring back the list the way it was!!! Marcee (goalieMOM) Message-ID: <328628F2.1F7E@ccssc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I know we have a few list members in the UK and I wanted to let them know that I'm going to be "in town" from 12-15 December. I'll be staying in London proper and would like to catch up with you if you're available. thanks, -Kevin End of hockey-goalie Digest V96 Issue #8 **************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hockey-goalie-request@xmission.com Subject: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #9 Date: 14 Nov 1996 08:06:44 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain hockey-goalie Digest Volume 96 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: RE: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #8 [ "James Buckingham" ] Re: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #8 [ Rob Miracle ] I'm Back [ rsandler@detroit.freenet.org ] Weight Training [ ADAM FORSYTH ] Lonesome Dove [ rsandler@detroit.freenet.org ] Message-Id: How do I get back on the regular list instead of the digest?????? I never subscribed to the digest. Thanks, Jim Buckingham ---------- Sent: Sunday, November 10, 1996 2:12 PM ====================================================================== Content-Type: text/plain hockey-goalie Digest Volume 96 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: Re: hockey-goalie Digest V96 #6 [ "Steven Sanyal" ] ====================================================================== Message-Id: <96Nov5.222714est.795162(1)@bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I had the EXACT problem when starting out (though I was 8). In my case - as > I'm sure it is for your son - it's happened for the same reason -- TOO MUCH > THINKING!!! Hey, I'm 23, and I still have that problem! Mind you, I"ve only played for 22 months, so maybe that's why! I often find that when I get to the rink with just enough time to get my equipment on, I play much, much better. I often find that even if I don't even get a warmup, I end up playing solid. In other games, I get long warmups, skate around a lot, and by the time the game starts, I'm not that sharp, I'm not that fresh. I find that when I don't get a warmup, I'm more fresh, alert and ready to go. But the thinking part is all too true. I have found though that while I'm driving or when I get my equipment on, it does help to close my eyes (well, maybe not close them while I'm driving!) and visualize making saves. Steve ====================================================================== Message-Id: <199611070013.QAA04296@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> I don't know about anyone else but, I really don't like this new format of the list. Bring back the list the way it was!!! Marcee (goalieMOM) ====================================================================== Message-ID: <328628F2.1F7E@ccssc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I know we have a few list members in the UK and I wanted to let them know that I'm going to be "in town" from 12-15 December. I'll be staying in London proper and would like to catch up with you if you're available. thanks, -Kevin ====================================================================== End of hockey-goalie Digest V96 Issue #8 **************************************** Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For my Birthday I get to get a new mask. I have tried on several models/brands but have not found one that feels great. The Eddy seems a little tight in the cheek area, while the Sherwoods have limited vision looking down. I play in an adult advanced league and would prefer one of decent quality. I have seen Sherwood, Badger, Eddy(GoalTec). I will be having the mask painted by a professional and I am aware of the past posts dealing with "authorized" painters, voided warranty (etc..) I am avoiding the Cooper Reactor at all costs. I also understand that Badger may have quit making masks. I am looking for experiences with these brands and any others that you are familar with. Does anyone have the number/address for Itech and Eddy? As I recall from past posts, wasn't there a person who would make custom masks? Do you have that information available. Besides posting to the list, Please reply direct to me if possible, since my mail reader does not read the new list format very well(or at all sometimes) What happened to the old format? Now All I get is the digest in a mime format(yuk) Thanks Rick Tucker rickt@wybbs.wynalda.com -- I try to take one day at a time..., but lately several days have attacked me at once. -- Message-ID: <961111024719_1681386224@emout18.mail.aol.com> hello, my name is zac lampson and i'm 23 yrs old and after all these years of playing i too have a thinking problem. I play for the university of nevada-reno and also play in a local mens A league. I grew up in nelson bc but ended up here( it sucks). I play very well in big games, but find that when the competition is mediocre i parallel my opponents. i don't understand it. when i play with guys that are of pro level i rise up to it and suck with players that can't even get out of their own way. there is nothing worse than having bad players talk even worse about you. it's like an offspeed pitch. you get used to snapping at mach speed shots and then some gomer pile stumbles up to you and whiffs one into the net. then they skate off doing their best gretzky and riding their stick while sitting on it. well i figured that i just wouldn't play with those geeks because i'm not getting any better playing with people that suck, but then they talk about how you are clicky or scared of them. now about showing up with just enough time before a game- it really is important to get a warm-up and stay loose due to injury problems i find that when you get on the ice you should be soaking wet. alot of goalies don't find their groove until they've skated for an hour and are sweating like a pig-- this is where keeping a water bottle near by helps. keep yourself wet cuz it helps you stay loose. if you're dry you tend to be tight. this may not be true for everyone but i know alot of goalies that make a point of staying soaking wet. now to my problem. when i get off to a bad start it seems to snowball through the rest of the game a i just stink. i easily get unnerved when i get cheapshots and can't stay focused. i usually take the lumber to my nearest opponents ankles, but it shouldn't be like that. when i stay focused and do my job i do it very well. the trick is getting the defense to help out a little. sometimes i feel like the boys don't want to try for me. that they would rather skate in front of someone else even if they suck. if any one has this problem or a solution for it let me know. i don't have this problem in the pcha- but the local boys in the leagues are driving me nuts ( due to a thin schedule I skate in the local league for more ice time ) zac"man that beachball was movin' " lampson Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; BOUNDARY=---------------------------- Someone PLEASE tell me how to read this digest crap!!!!! Wolf #30 Message-Id: <3.0b35.32.19961111092335.007e7320@central.TanSoft.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:12 PM 11/10/96 -0700, goalieMOM wrote: > Don't Like this new format!!! [ gemini10@ix.netcom.com (goalieMOM) ] >I don't know about anyone else but, I really don't like this new >format of the list. Me either. Used to a message would come into my mail box, and I would reply to it. Now these digests (with much less traffic mind you) come in sporatically, and I don't read them half the time. I understand that for some people, mostly lurkers, digest format works better. But we need a choice. I want to go back to the instant messaging. Rob -- Rob Miracle Tantalus Inc. Be patient or be a patient. -- Anton Devious Message-ID: <32879DBD.439B@detroit.freenet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is Malcolm in the US? If so, please have him call me at 810.548.3217. Ron Message-id: <01IBSO5HEOHU8ZDYFD@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All, I have just joined a gym and was wondering what sort of weight training regimes are good for a goaltender. I imagine you wouyld want power exercizes for the lower body, and strength exercizes for the upperbody. Any advice is appreciated. See ya Adam Message-Id: <199611130440.XAA00301@execulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The 1997 BATTRAM product line is now available! Look for new pictures on the web site in the upcoming weeks of the new SUPER PRO SERIES line... This years line has improved from last years in several areas, for one thing the gloves have had some graphics added (all cut out synthetic leather graphics). Along with a newer larger pocket, and a smoother looking backhand pad and cuff. The pads are pretty much the same (after all how can you make something that is the best any better) we did add thicker sides and also a contoured outside and inside knee. One major change on all stuff is the use of the NEW JENRINO Synthetic, as SOFRINA is no longer available, the choice was either MATRIX (replacement CLARINO) or JENRINO, we had to select the JENRINO. Both materials are good products, but neither were as nice to use as the SOFRINA. We selected the JENRINO for #1 availability, we can have a roll here in 24 hours, and there is no delay at customs as it is available in Canada. #2 looks more like SOFRINA now that it has been improved, (the matrix has a more plastic look to it) #3 the JENRINO works better on gloves as it is more flexible, because of the MATRIX new coating it is a stiffer material that doesn't like to form as well to the contours in a catcher. #4 The company that supplies JENRINO also supplies nylons to me, so they have exact col our matches. If you would like further information drop me an email! By the way, we also have a set of BPGP 500 pads (our new inexpensive entry level) pad for sale... these are new, never used and are $375.00 US. or $510.00 Canadian. 32" Black and Blue. BRIEF UPDATE ON SOME IMPROVEMENTS Next week we will be adding yet another new sewing machine, and yet another in the first half of December. Next week a flatbed will be delivered (another PFAFF 1245 walking foot machine for regular stitching and sewing) and later a PFAFF 335 cylinder arm machine which is lighter in weight than our Adler 205 cylinder arm machine. This machine will aid us in some work on gloves and upper body pads plus allow us to re palm regular hockey gloves. I am always working on expanding our business to serve you better, so far with these two machines and some other updates to our shop, I will have put close to $10,000 back into our company this month. Therefor many thanks go out to you guys who have purchased stuff from us! Thanks! From myself and my employee's who I know have as a result of increased business. Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 Message-Id: <3.0b34.32.19961113112748.00697988@cnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have to throw in my two cents about this new format. While it makes getting all the list mail easier, I don't like it. It just makes it a lot longer to work along a thread, and sometimes the thread could stop faster. Just thought I'd air my opinion. Steve Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.activex.com/ Message-ID: <328B35AC.7A98@detroit.freenet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aside from confirmation that I am subscribed I have received nothing from the list, is the list active. If this is posted, please send a note to: rsandler@detroit.freenet.org BTW this address will always be active. I have my mail forwarded from there to my IP. Ron End of hockey-goalie Digest V96 Issue #9 **************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: testing...1.2.3 Date: 14 Nov 1996 16:11:27 -0700 (MST) Just a test. Do not respond. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: test #2 Date: 14 Nov 1996 16:15:43 -0700 (MST) Testing... If this had been an actual emergency, you would've received instructions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: A TEST! Date: 14 Nov 1996 15:34:55 -0800 Per Dave "List Mom" Steinhart, this is a test of the original hockey-goalie mailing list. If this had not been a test, the message you just read would've been associated with a bunch of MIME jibberish. This test will soon be replaced by the actual hockey-goalie mailing list itself (whee!). Please stay tuned... **************************************************************************** Don Otvos | Madge Networks Inc Inside Sales - Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Worry is misuse of the imagination. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: LIST BACK UP??? Date: 14 Nov 1996 18:53:01 -0500 (EST) Thanks guys if you got the list sorted out! This method is far nicer than the digest, and thanks for getting it all sorted out and up and running!! (If it is!) Thanks, and your efforts are greatly appreciated by us all! Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: I think... Date: 14 Nov 1996 16:56:58 -0700 (MST) Ok, folks, I think we're back. We were never really gone, it's just that the list turned into a digest. It was quite a simple problem really, but since my life is in a state of turmoil at the moment, I really didn't have time to futz with it. But thankfully, the list pretty much runs itself, so it doesn't take a great deal of my time. Please don't send test messages to the list. If you have something to say, by all means post it, but don't inundate the members of this list with test messages (although I asked Don to send his message, so that doesn't count!). It's good to be back... Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Wehlage Subject: Miller Leg Guards Date: 14 Nov 1996 19:26:43 -0500 I am in the process of getting the cash for my new equpiment.... i have a few possiblites (vaughn, battram, koho, vic) but i got in the mail today a folder from Miller with info on there line.... i was wondering if any of you have this equpiment or know if it is any good.... tanks a mil... Blake** [ps- im happy with the list being back the way it is....] ========================================== Blake Wehlage [Old school & East Coast Skater] We All put our skates on one at a time... *********PGP KEY On Request********* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gemini10@ix.netcom.com (goalieMOM) Subject: Welcome Back!!! Date: 14 Nov 1996 22:19:25 -0800 Hi goalies, Boy, am I glad to see the list back as it was. We really missed reading all the notes from you goalies. Thanks guys, Marcee "goalieMOM" Hi Scott!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Olsen Subject: Welcome Zac Date: 14 Nov 1996 23:40:46 -0800 Hey! Welcome to the list Zac. Haven't heard from you in a while and I was begining to wonder if you were still around. How goes life at the roller rink? EGO -- -------------------------------------------- | Ego@thehouse.sparks.nv.us | | www.directcon.net/olsen | | | | "I find your lack of faith..disturbing."| | -Darth Vader | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 02:40:59 -0500 hey, i've never used em' so i guess i can't really help you---but if you know of anybody that is looking for some vaughn pads send em' my way. i had some vpg3500 custom made for me that are kinda like tampa bay colors more like chicago wolves colors though. anyway they are just a little small for me ( 32" ) and i've only used them ten times so if you know anyone that is interested have em' give me a shout. thanx zac " i held that biscuit in my hand but i never inhaled" lampson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome Zac Date: 15 Nov 1996 03:06:20 -0500 haven't been on the doughnuts for awhile-- i've been busy inhaling real biscuits. i suck when i skate with b league boys and seem to do alot better with the guys that have a clue how to play the game-- so don't believe everything that fullofbologni er fraboni tells ya! gee these computer things are great now if i could just sell my 3500 custom vaughn pads they are just a little on the small side--it sucks too cuz i've only used about ten times so if you know of anyone interested in some sweet pads let me know, taker easy erik talk to ya later. red light ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mary Wood Subject: RE: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 09:45:20 -0500 How many of you have heard of or use Mattingly Goalie equipment? ---------- Sent: Thursday, November 14, 1996 7:26 PM I am in the process of getting the cash for my new equpiment.... i have a few possiblites (vaughn, battram, koho, vic) but i got in the mail today a folder from Miller with info on there line.... i was wondering if any of you have this equpiment or know if it is any good.... tanks a mil... Blake** [ps- im happy with the list being back the way it is....] ========================================== Blake Wehlage [Old school & East Coast Skater] We All put our skates on one at a time... *********PGP KEY On Request********* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: z_wilkeyts@TITAN.SFASU.EDU Subject: RE: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 09:31:45 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Mary Wood wrote: Mattingly used to be (maybe still is) a trainer for the New Jersey Devils. He asked Chris Terreri to use his equipment. I haven't heard to much about the quality, but Chris Terreri went back to Vaughn about a year later (even before he was traded to SJ). Maybe that's an indicator. Just a little bit of trivia. Sorry I couldn't be of much help. Scott Wilkey > How many of you have heard of or use Mattingly Goalie equipment? > > ---------- > From: Blake Wehlage[SMTP:jwilk@iglou.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 1996 7:26 PM > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Miller Leg Guards > > I am in the process of getting the cash for my new equpiment.... i have a > few possiblites (vaughn, battram, koho, vic) but i got in the mail today a > folder from Miller with info on there line.... i was wondering if any of you > have this equpiment or know if it is any good.... tanks a mil... > > Blake** > > [ps- im happy with the list being back the way it is....] > ========================================== > Blake Wehlage > [Old school & East Coast Skater] > We All put our skates on one at a time... > *********PGP KEY On Request********* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: RE: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 11:28:47, -0500 We saw Mattingly equipment at Johnnie Mac's in StLouis. What they had was hanging on the wall, too high to reach. My son threw a ball at it & got a resounding whack, but since they were too small he didn't bother trying them on. Chose Vaughn Vision's instead and is extremely happy with them. Robyn goaliemom too <1st post to the list, hope it came out ok> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: upper body Date: 15 Nov 1996 11:51:17 -0800 Anyone have a monkey suit they really like? Anyone have Scott's? Tell me about it...I'm in the market for a new one... Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.activex.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Goalie@tahq.demon.co.uk (David Hurst) Subject: Reaction speed and Breakaways Date: 15 Nov 1996 18:08:15 GMT Hi all, I've got a couple of questions for you guys and would love to hear your views and opinions. I actually play skater hockey over here in the UK (a form of roller hockey), and Ice Hockey for a local team. I've only been playing for 1 1/2 years, and am 18. Firstly, when I watch NHL goalies and other lower class Ice Hockey goalies here in the UK, I find that a basic shot from an average distance usually will have about a 95% save average. I find that on these kind of shots, I can save them well, but some go in, a lot more than 5%. My reactions are fast (seeing as I'm fit) and I think my skating, postitioning, and balance and good aswell. What's letting me down? I feel that I should have the confidence to at least feel that I can save them all, but I often feel even basic wrist shots are a challenge. For example, for a typical high standard goalie - an average wrist shot to the glove side is nearly always in that pocket, but I find it rebounds of the palm of my catcher. I look at NHL goalies and see amazing glove saves, I know the majority of close range shots are mostly flukes, but from further out, how do they do that? My ideas are that mainly my confidence isn't high enough and that nerves affect my hand-eye coordination (panicking), maybe I'm even intimidated of the puck - of getting hurt. Another big one is probably lack of experience. I read up a lot about goaltending styles, so I don't think my knowledge of the position lets me down. Any ideas of how I can improve here? Secondly, how do you guys handle breakaways? When do you go down? Do you go down? Butterfly? Other saves? I've read Ian Young's breakaway style (from Lords of the Rink) which is really good. Any decent Web Pages with methods? Thanks, -- David Hurst ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: RE: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 15:34:40 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Mary Wood wrote: > How many of you have heard of or use Mattingly Goalie equipment? I have a mattingly chest protector. Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolf Subject: RE: Mattingly Goalie equipment Date: 15 Nov 1996 18:06:57 PST --- On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:45:20 -0500 Mary Wood wrote: >How many of you have heard of or use Mattingly Goalie equipment? > I have a set of Mattingly goalie leg pads. There seem to work ok. I have had them for about 2 years and have no complaints. Wolf #30 save % 92.14 GAA 2.20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Equipment Wanted Date: 15 Nov 1996 18:57:42 -0500 I need a chest protector really bad, but I am also running low of finances. If anyone out there would like to sell me a new or used chest protector at a reasonable price, please E-Mail me. Thanx, Deanna (AKA-SexyStangs, AKA-Hockey6719) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: RE: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 19:09:20 -0500 (EST) At 03:34 PM 11/15/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Mary Wood wrote: > >> How many of you have heard of or use Mattingly Goalie equipment? > > >I have a mattingly chest protector. > >Mark > > > Mattingly is out of business once again... J.P. is no longer producing gear, in fact he had us build up a set of pads with his name on them, which he never paid for... so basically, I will concur with some other members opions of him... His Brother-in-law Martin Burger's is a fine guy though, and hopefully he can find work in the industry again. Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: RE: Miller Leg Guards Date: 15 Nov 1996 19:14:16 -0500 (EST) At 09:31 AM 11/15/96 -0600, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Mary Wood wrote: > >Mattingly used to be (maybe still is) a trainer for the New Jersey >Devils. He asked Chris Terreri to use his equipment. I haven't heard to >much about the quality, but Chris Terreri went back to Vaughn about a >year later (even before he was traded to SJ). Maybe that's an indicator. >Just a little bit of trivia. Sorry I couldn't be of much help. > >Scott Wilkey > > >> How many of you have heard of or use Mattingly Goalie equipment? >> J.P. is no longer a trainer, he was in Philly as well, but lost both jobs, then went bankrupt, then his brother in law bailed him out, about a few months ago J.P went a little squirrly, and now neither is in the business any longer. Terreri went back to Vaughn due to the fact that there is a manufacturers fee in the NHL, and JP wasnt going to pay the fee. >> ---------- >> From: Blake Wehlage[SMTP:jwilk@iglou.com] >> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 1996 7:26 PM >> To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com >> Subject: Miller Leg Guards >> >> I am in the process of getting the cash for my new equpiment.... i have a >> few possiblites (vaughn, battram, koho, vic) but i got in the mail today a >> folder from Miller with info on there line.... i was wondering if any of you >> have this equpiment or know if it is any good.... tanks a mil... >> >> Blake** >> >> [ps- im happy with the list being back the way it is....] >> ========================================== >> Blake Wehlage >> [Old school & East Coast Skater] >> We All put our skates on one at a time... >> *********PGP KEY On Request********* >> >> >> >> >> > > > Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolf Subject: RE: Mattingly history Date: 15 Nov 1996 18:43:20 PST --- On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:31:45 -0600 (CST) z_wilkeyts@TITAN.SFASU.EDU wrote: >Mattingly used to be (maybe still is) a trainer for the New Jersey >Devils. He asked Chris Terreri to use his equipment. I haven't heard to >much about the quality, but Chris Terreri went back to Vaughn about a >year later (even before he was traded to SJ). Maybe that's an indicator. >Just a little bit of trivia. Sorry I couldn't be of much help. > >Scott Wilkey Mattingly hasn't work as a trainer for the Devils for many years. He had a shop in the Washington DC area for a few years until he ran into financial problems. It seems he makes equipment better than he runs a business. At any rate he has moved his business to Indianapolis. He still sells his equipment in the DC area through Play-it-Again sports. I haven't had any problems with the quality of the pads but I would definatly only exchange money for equipment cash and carry, if you know what I mean. Wolf #30 Wolves 5-0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: Reaction Time Date: 15 Nov 1996 17:19:26 -0800 (PST) Hi David, My coaches all told me that if you are 'catching' the puck on the palm it is usually because you aren't used to the extended catch area and you are in essence trying to catch with your hand instead of the web of the glove. I found basically it just takes a lot of practice to figure out that your 'palm' is now much further out, esp with the new, bigger gloves. Another factor is not to bat at the puck but to relax your wrist and let your hand give a bit when you catch, it cushions the shot and prevents those nasty rebounds out front. I can't help much on breakaways except to say that if you try to stay on your feet it seems to confuse a lot of shooters who are waiting for you to fall down. Just out of interest, where are you playing in the UK? A goalie pal of mine just went over to play in Sunderland. Hope this helps, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: Re: upper body Date: 15 Nov 1996 23:45:14 -0500 Steve Langevin wrote: > > Anyone have a monkey suit they really like? Anyone have Scott's? Tell me > about > it...I'm in the market for a new one... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Langevin > Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services > > CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ > 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ > San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ > (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ > (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ > stevel@cnet.com http://www.activex.com/ Howdy: I consider myself a proud owner of one of Scott's chest protectors. They're extremely well made, light, and once you break them in a little, very easy to move in. I have yet to find another pad which compares with either the price or quality of Scotts. Matt Malicki -- Matt Malicki Malickim@tir.com "A political party is organized opinion." - Disraeli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: Reaction speed and Breakaways Date: 16 Nov 1996 00:51:00 -0500 David, I remember having the same problems you are having (EXACTLY) during my first year or so of playing goal. The only way to improve on positioning (there's always room for improvement in THAT department) is to play, play, play. Perhaps you do have a little fear of the puck, but most of the time when in a game I don't have time to be afraid...it's usually not a factor for me. However, I do worry about injury (in general and from pucks) a little during practices and workouts, but I think that is fairly normal. Experience is a VERY big factor in how accurate your glove hand is... glove hand improvement is almost subconscious...it will come naturally with time. It's merely a matter of honing your reaction so that those pucks DO end up in the web of your glove the way you see on TV. Once you gain proficiency with your glove-hand reaction, you will be AMAZED at how quickly AND accurately you can catch pucks...without having them bounce around and out of your glove. As for your second question, breakaway style is an acquired taste. Through experience, I have found that using the butterfly to cover the low shots is most effective for me, especially when the shooter is being rushed (he probably won't have time to pick a corner or go high). A big factor in breakaway style is how quick and accurate your hands are. If you can rely on yout glove and blocker to cover the top shelf, inside the posts, and the high corners, then it makes sense for you to use your pads and stick to butterfly and SOLIDLY cover the lower portion of the net. You could consider stacking your pads if footwork is your forte...Poke-checking is always an option if you are good with the stick; however, using the stick to poke-check opens the 5-hole to an enormous size, so I wouldn't recommending poking and butterflying, since the B-fly's major weakness is the 5-hole. I've seen goalies poke and stack with good results...Your style should be determined by YOUR STENGTHS, not the shooter's...do what YOU are comfortable with. Keep experimenting and you will find the style you are best suited to. As for your last question, I don't know of any goalie web pages...In fact, I'd be interested if anyone has any info on some... Hope I've been able to help you. Keep robbing 'em!! -- James McElfresh (Email: HOCKEY6688 @AOL.com) << I'm new to the goalie list...this is my first post...hope it came out okay. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Reaction speed and Breakaways Date: 16 Nov 1996 09:24:40 -0500 At 12:51 AM 11/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >David, > > I remember having the same problems you are having (EXACTLY) during my >first year or so of playing goal. The only way to improve on positioning >(there's always room for improvement in THAT department) is to play, play, >play. Perhaps you do have a little fear of the puck, but most of the time >when in a game I don't have time to be afraid...it's usually not a factor for >me. However, I do worry about injury (in general and from pucks) a little >during practices and workouts, but I think that is fairly normal. > Experience is a VERY big factor in how accurate your glove hand is... >glove hand improvement is almost subconscious...it will come naturally with >time. It's merely a matter of honing your reaction so that those pucks DO >end up in the web of your glove the way you see on TV. Once you gain > proficiency with your glove-hand reaction, you will be AMAZED at how quickly >AND accurately you can catch pucks...without having them bounce around and >out of your glove. One other point to remember is that when using your glove hand the key is hand and eye coordination, if your not watching the puck fully into the glove your going to move your hand to where the puck is, not the webbing or pocket of the glove to where the puck is. Watch the puck all the way into your glove, this is easy at lower levels where the shots are not to quick, once you play at higher levels it comes down to experience to get your glove into the correct postion, many times the puck is moving so fast, you will not have time to actually watch it into the glove. One other point to keep in mind is the glove itself, many times I see young goalies I have coached using old gloves that belong to the organization, these gloves are usually poorly looked after, stacked ontop one another and flatened out... a well made glove will be contoured in such a way that the puck is directed into the pocket from the palm. If your using a glove that is flat and has a small pocket your success in catching the puck will be limited as the glove would be acting more like a second blocker. A good drill to do for reaction time off the ice is to stand infront of a wall, have a buddy stand behind you and throw pucks off the wall at an angle so they will go to your glove side. This way, you have to visually pick the puck up as soon as it comes off the wall and follow it into your glove, its much the same as those quick hard shots where you dont have alot of time! > As for your second question, breakaway style is an acquired taste. > Through experience, I have found that using the butterfly to cover the low >shots is most effective for me, especially when the shooter is being rushed >(he probably won't have time to pick a corner or go high). A big factor in >breakaway style is how quick and accurate your hands are. If you can rely on >yout glove and blocker to cover the top shelf, inside the posts, and the high >corners, then it makes sense for you to use your pads and stick to butterfly >and SOLIDLY cover the lower portion of the net. You could consider stacking >your pads if footwork is your forte...Poke-checking is always an option if >you are good with the stick; however, using the stick to poke-check opens the >5-hole to an enormous size, so I wouldn't recommending poking and >butterflying, since the B-fly's major weakness is the 5-hole. I've seen >goalies poke and stack with good results...Your style should be determined by >YOUR STENGTHS, not the shooter's...do what YOU are comfortable with. Keep >experimenting and you will find the style you are best suited to. On breakaways, what most goalies want to do is to force the shooter to deke, rather than to shoot, or at least make the shooter shoot from the side of the net, as from directly infront there are the 5 points to score on that the goalie has to cover 4 corners and five hole. At a shot from the point, the goalie has to rely on his or her ability to cut the angle and also on their quickness, by forcing the shooter to deke, it is actually working in the goalies favour if he or she has good lateral movement because what you have done is cut the shooters places to score, and making them soon run out of net to score on, as they have to get the puck off there stick within 4 feet of making there mind up to go right or left.(providing there are comming straight at you!) A smart player will come in from the side and cut all the way across the front of the net, this forces the goalie to make a full sideways movement from one side of the net to the other. Watch the players shoulders not the puck this will tell you their direction of movement. Come out of the net and back in with them and try to stay up as long as possible, because if you drop at the moment they go to fake a shot, your toast! The best drill for breakaways is at the end of practice have your team have a showdown... if there stopped, they take a hike to the showers... the ones who score keep going untill there stopped, the last person to score wins... this is great practice for breakaways... sometimes, tell the players just to shoot other times make them work on dekes! > As for your last question, I don't know of any goalie web pages...In >fact, I'd be interested if anyone has any info on some... > Hope I've been able to help you. > >Keep robbing 'em!! >-- James McElfresh (Email: HOCKEY6688 @AOL.com) > ><< I'm new to the goalie list...this is my first post...hope it came out >okay. >> > > > Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Wehlage Subject: hit in the head Date: 16 Nov 1996 09:47:59 -0500 In an adult pick-up game (its fun for me cause im 14) they had these two guys that you knew have played together for a REALLY long time.... anyway.... One of them snapped a perfect pass to the other who was just past the blue line about 5 feet away from the boards... the cranked the one-timer and it was blazing.... it smacked me right in the head wear the metal cage over laps with the helmet part (basically where the screw holders are). It almost knocked me back but i regained my balance and shook my head and got in my position once again. But the thing is it hurt but not really that bad... just kinda a small head-ache. But when the pick-up was over my head was just pounding.... and ever since then my head has been killing... well the pick up was on Tuesday and it still hurts.... has this ever happened to anyone else? what should i do? ps- i have a itech helmet so its not really cheaply made. Blake** ========================================== Blake Wehlage [Old school & East Coast Skater] We All put our skates on one at a time... *********PGP KEY On Request********* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Correia Subject: Re: Reaction speed and Breakaways Date: 16 Nov 1996 11:08:32 -0500 (EST) At 06:08 PM 11/15/96 GMT, you wrote: >Hi all, >I've got a couple of questions for you guys and would love to hear your views >and opinions. I actually play skater hockey over here in the UK (a form of >roller hockey), and Ice Hockey for a local team. I've only been playing for >1 1/2 years, and am 18. >Firstly, when I watch NHL goalies and other lower class Ice Hockey goalies >here in the UK, I find that a basic shot from an average distance usually >will have about a 95% save average. I find that on these kind of shots, >I can save them well, but some go in, a lot more than 5%. My reactions are >fast (seeing as I'm fit) and I think my skating, postitioning, and balance >and good aswell. What's letting me down? I feel that I should have the >confidence to at least feel that I can save them all, but I often feel >even basic wrist shots are a challenge. For example, for a typical high >standard goalie - an average wrist shot to the glove side is nearly always >in that pocket, but I find it rebounds of the palm of my catcher. I look at >NHL goalies and see amazing glove saves, I know the majority of close range >shots are mostly flukes, but from further out, how do they do that? My ideas >are that mainly my confidence isn't high enough and that nerves affect my >hand-eye coordination (panicking), maybe I'm even intimidated of the puck - >of getting hurt. Another big one is probably lack of experience. I read up >a lot about goaltending styles, so I don't think my knowledge of the position >lets me down. Any ideas of how I can improve here? I think i know what your problem can be, your just too worried on what might happen that you lose you concentration. (This happens to me sometimes). The best thing to do is cut down the angle and concentrate on the puck. Also hold your gloves out in front of you(Bill Ranford)This will help your concentration and give you a better reaction time. >Secondly, how do you guys handle breakaways? When do you go down? Do you go >down? Butterfly? Other saves? I've read Ian Young's breakaway style (from >Lords of the Rink) which is really good. >Any decent Web Pages with methods? Most people say to let the player make the first move which works most of the time, but one thing you can try is to watch what the shooter is going to do. If you think that he is going to shoot just stand at the top of the crease and let him, if it looks like he is going to go around you surprise him with a sliding poke check. But mix things up or players will become a custom to you doing one thing. Other than that PRACTICE! Rick >Thanks, >-- >David Hurst > > > Rick Correia Correia's Cresting Company Visit our WEB SITE at: http://venus.execulink.com/~rcorreia/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Shooters moving across the crease Date: 16 Nov 1996 11:11:05 -0500 I have had a great deal of trouble with shooters who break in off the wing and cut across the crease. Last week, we had a game where we were down 4-3, and I did not want to let in another goal - two had already been scored from breaks. The shooter decided to cut across, so what I did was basically dropped and cut off his path - he ended up crashing right into me. The puck didn't go in, but my fingers got crushed against the ice and hurt like hell. I would like to have a more consistent method for facing shooters who move across like that. I find that if they break down the centre, it's not as difficult as when they cut across. What should I do? Do I come out and force them somehow? Do I stay deeper and try to cover the bottom of the net? Any advice? Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: Re: hit in the head Date: 16 Nov 1996 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) Hi Blake, I got a shot to the head (turned out to be Joe Sakic's little brother) in a pick-up game. I had headaches for a month and under the jaw was sore. I went to the DR and he said it was like a knock-out punch cuz my mask knocked up under my chin (also sore for weeks). I'd get it checked out to make sure you don't have a mild concussion. Also, if any metal part of the mask itself was dented, replace it because that metal is now fatigued and the next time you get hit there it might snap (been there, done that, had a mask snap me in the face. I've also been hit right on the screws and had a screw whack me in the forehead enough to leave a mark, so best check the mask for integrity around the holes too. Hope you are feeling better! Lisa On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Blake Wehlage wrote: > In an adult pick-up game (its fun for me cause im 14) they had these two > guys that you knew have played together for a REALLY long time.... anyway.... > One of them snapped a perfect pass to the other who was just past the blue > line about 5 feet away from the boards... the cranked the one-timer and it > was blazing.... it smacked me right in the head wear the metal cage over > laps with the helmet part (basically where the screw holders are). It almost > knocked me back but i regained my balance and shook my head and got in my > position once again. But the thing is it hurt but not really that bad... > just kinda a small head-ache. But when the pick-up was over my head was just > pounding.... and ever since then my head has been killing... well the pick > up was on Tuesday and it still hurts.... > > has this ever happened to anyone else? > what should i do? > > ps- i have a itech helmet so its not really cheaply made. > > Blake** > ========================================== > Blake Wehlage > [Old school & East Coast Skater] > We All put our skates on one at a time... > *********PGP KEY On Request********* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: hit in the head Date: 16 Nov 1996 14:58:28 -0500 Been there...I had a cooper helmet and cage, before I got my RAGE Super Pro Goal mask from Scott...I had a guy take a blazing one timer from the second slash mark...about 8 feet out...it knocked me back off my feet (I kinda jumped to try to get it in the chest, but I'm no Michael Jordan)...the puck left a dent in my cage that came within a .25" of my nose...I had a head-ache for the rest of my game...the next morning I couldn't get up my head hurt so much...A good friend who is a grad. school med student told me that I had a minor concussion....pretty cute huh? There isn't much I can say for you to do but to take some Advil and shake it off...I don't know if a new goal mask is what you need...(if you do want one, go with one of scott's)...I think that getting hit in the head by pucks is one of the many dangers of goaltending, and that is why weirdos like us get such a kick out of it! My 2 cents, Rick "Tigger" #30 ps- THANK GOD THE LIST IS WORKING AGAIN....WOOHOOOO! At 09:47 AM 11/16/96 -0500, Blake Wehlage wrote: >In an adult pick-up game (its fun for me cause im 14) they had these two >guys that you knew have played together for a REALLY long time.... anyway.... >One of them snapped a perfect pass to the other who was just past the blue >line about 5 feet away from the boards... the cranked the one-timer and it >was blazing.... it smacked me right in the head wear the metal cage over >laps with the helmet part (basically where the screw holders are). It almost >knocked me back but i regained my balance and shook my head and got in my >position once again. But the thing is it hurt but not really that bad... >just kinda a small head-ache. But when the pick-up was over my head was just >pounding.... and ever since then my head has been killing... well the pick >up was on Tuesday and it still hurts.... > >has this ever happened to anyone else? >what should i do? > >ps- i have a itech helmet so its not really cheaply made. > >Blake** >========================================== > Blake Wehlage > [Old school & East Coast Skater] > We All put our skates on one at a time... > *********PGP KEY On Request********* > > > "T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll come bouncing by." "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound!" Rick Johnson "See the Puck, L/L Box 249 Stop the Puck, University of Vermont Simple." Burlington, VT 05405-0384 - Hockey-Goalie list member (802) 656-6187 "You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!" -Hockey-Goalie list member Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: Shooters moving across the crease Date: 16 Nov 1996 15:12:47 -0500 Ahhh...this is a specialty of mine....I LOVE IT WHEN THEY CUT ACROSS! I do a move that is called the Hextall....it is a difficult move, but when you master it, it beats the 2 pad slide any day! When the shooter cuts to your glove side, push with him, put your blocker side pad on the ice and keep your stick in close to your body, keep your catcher side pad up and be ready to do a skate snap (or "save" however you call it). Place your catcher between your legs to cover your five hole...if your push isn't hard enough, be very ready to snap your glove up (with the skate snap) to cover the top of the net...if you do this right, the shooter has nowhere to go...they usually shoot it into your glove or off your skate...this is MUCH BETTER than the 2 pad slide because after the shot you are still standing and can just hop up to face the next shot....the idea is the same for the blocker side except that you put your stick horizontally on the ice covering the five hole, and ready to do a stick snap...the blocker side is much more difficult speed wise, especially if you don't get a good enough push to keep the puck centered on the body.....This move takes A LOT of practice, but in the end it pays off...I pay against a avid 2 pad slider against 2 groups. One group is less talented, and we both basically shut them out. The other group is EXTREMELY talented...there are several ex-DIV. I, DIV. II, and Junor A players in that group...The 2 pad sliders gets CREAMED because he can't get up fast enough...I totally out play him...mainly because I am always up and ready for the next shot instead of flapping like a beached whale while trying to get up. So PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE this move. It WILL work for you! Rick "Tigger" #30 At 11:11 AM 11/16/96 -0500, Steven Sanyal wrote: >I have had a great deal of trouble with shooters who break in off the wing >and cut across the crease. Last week, we had a game where we were down >4-3, and I did not want to let in another goal - two had already been >scored from breaks. The shooter decided to cut across, so what I did was >basically dropped and cut off his path - he ended up crashing right into >me. The puck didn't go in, but my fingers got crushed against the ice and >hurt like hell. > >I would like to have a more consistent method for facing shooters who move >across like that. I find that if they break down the centre, it's not as >difficult as when they cut across. What should I do? Do I come out and >force them somehow? Do I stay deeper and try to cover the bottom of the >net? Any advice? > >Steve > > > "T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll come bouncing by." "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound!" Rick Johnson "See the Puck, L/L Box 249 Stop the Puck, University of Vermont Simple." Burlington, VT 05405-0384 - Hockey-Goalie list member (802) 656-6187 "You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!" -Hockey-Goalie list member Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NORRIS Douglas Todd Subject: TLABPR (The Long-Awaited Battram Pad Review) - BPGP 2000 SNR Leg Pads Date: 16 Nov 1996 13:50:17 -0700 (MST) Well, it's good the see the list working properly again. I figured that I would wait until it was to post this; I had a hard time (too lazy, most likely :-) reading the digest version, so I imagine others may have too. Anyhow... In September I purchased a pair of Battram BPGP 2000 SNR leg pads from Scott, and here's what I think... * Scott made them very quickly for me; I don't remember exactly when they got here, but what I do remember was that it caught me off-guard - I wasn't expected them for at least two more weeks. * These broke in very quickly. When I showed them around, the other goalies here at CU said things like "Full Clarino Face? That'll take years to break in," and I'll admit that they were stiff as a board for a week or two, but now I don't even notice them when I'm wearing them. For those that care, the way I broke them in was to sit on them, thus bending them into an "S" shape, while I was in my office, and by skating full-speed at the rink, and then "crashing" on the pads. And, of course, lots of shots. * Rebound control is amazing! First game, first shot a slapshot from the point by C.U.'s slapshot specialist. With the pads I was using previously (Coopers from the Rec Center), the rebound would have gone right back into the slot where there were two guys waiting (they're used to my old pads, too :-) With these, the shot hit just below the knee, and dropped one foot in front of me for the cover-up. You should have seen the look on their faces. * The toe bridges work great! I was a bit confused at first (see the amusing anecdote section below :-) but I have to admit that they work better than a toe strap. * They just look BIG. I've had referees measure them twice so far, and both measurements came in at the requisite 12", but they just look so square that they seem huge to shooters. I know this because I hear them moan and complain when I snap them closed on their shot :-) * I like the strap locations, too - it could be that I just like having straps (the ones from the Coopers kept getting stolen), but I've finally got everything adjusted so that they're tight on my lower leg, and still leave my knees some room (I've got 50-year old knees). * When I two-pad slide and these pads are taking up 2/3 of the net, with my Battram trapper flailing across the top section, most of the guys just pass now - what's the point in shooting? :-) * The front logo seems to want to be black (not white), because it's wearing off - of course, it could be the way I break them in (see above). However, when the worst thing you can say about a pair of pads is that "the logo's coming off", then you know you've got something very good. * To summarize: best $700 I've ever spent. Trivially true, since I'd never spent $700 at once before, but I'm sure I'll feel the same way about the pads ten years from now. AMUSING ANECDOTE: I didn't know that the knee lock velcros. You should have seen me for the first two weeks or so; I'd put the breezers on, then put my legs through the knee lock, then put my skates on, then try to get the toe-bridges on, then lace up the pads. I was doing this for about two weeks when our esteemed moderator Dave Steinhart said to me, "Why don't you just undo the Velcro?" I just sort of stared at him for a minute, then I realized what he meant, and I'll be damned but there was Velcro in each knee lock. Don't get me wrong; I'm actually quite intelligent (no, really :-) I've just never had quality pads before, that's all. Anyhow, as soon as I can get someone to take a snapshot of me in full armour, I'll replace the one of me on my home page. Talk to y'all later! Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "Whenever someone asks me to define love, I usually think for a minute, then I spin around and pin the guy's arm behind his back. Now who's asking the questions?" - Deep Thought, Jack Handey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arnsat@magna.com.au Subject: annoying players Date: 17 Nov 1996 11:26:09 +1100 Hi all, This relates to practises. Does anyone have on their own team players who aren't nessarcarily good and during training they score on you every time and call you a sieve constantly. BUT the only reason they score is because they leisurely skate up and deke you for about 5 minutes until you just say F*** It and stack your pads and they flip it over......or they skate up and take time set up a wrist shot from 2 metres tell you not to come out to him and then call you a sieve for not stoppping it....OR take rocket slappers from the hash marks....OR 3 ppl shoot at me at once......i think u get my drift........they take amazing impossible shots that will never happen in a game. How does everyone else deal with these parisites??? I either yell at them that that will never happen in a game.....this one doesn't work. I knock the cockiness out of them by charging at them or hittin em with my stick. Any other ideas??? ohyeh one day i was really peeved some of the more experienced/diplomatic team members had a chat with them that worked.....for about a week seeya.....Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: annoying players Date: 16 Nov 1996 22:53:59 -0500 OHHHHH YEAH...I know the type...I have a strict way that want to warm up, and if I don't get it, I skate out of the net and wait for awhile and then I'll return and give them another chance. There was one guy who kept P***ing me off by shooting me in the back. I told him off quite a few times, and even the team captian told him to stop. But he still managed to hit me once or twice each game. Finally my roommate (whom is 5'10" 260lbs) slammed him into the boards and told him a final time to stop. He didn't show up again for the rest of the season. While this isn't the greatest way to deal with the situation, I was planning to just skating away from the guy every time he came to shoot at me. I would definitly suggest that you do that. When the guy finally complains and talks to you, tell him that you won't face him until he plays by your rules. If the guy is smart, and he thinks that playing without a goalie sucks, then he WILL conform. My 2 cents, Rick "tigger" #30 At 11:26 AM 11/17/96 +1100, arnsat@magna.com.au wrote: >Hi all, >This relates to practises. >Does anyone have on their own team players who aren't nessarcarily good and >during training they score on you every time and call you a sieve >constantly. BUT the only reason they score is because they leisurely skate >up and deke you for about 5 minutes until you just say F*** It and stack >your pads and they flip it over......or they skate up and take time set up a >wrist shot from 2 metres tell you not to come out to him and then call you a >sieve for not stoppping it....OR take rocket slappers from the hash >marks....OR 3 ppl shoot at me at once......i think u get my >drift........they take amazing impossible shots that will never happen in a >game. How does everyone else deal with these parisites??? >I either yell at them that that will never happen in a game.....this one >doesn't work. >I knock the cockiness out of them by charging at them or hittin em with my >stick. >Any other ideas??? > >ohyeh one day i was really peeved some of the more experienced/diplomatic >team members had a chat with them that worked.....for about a week > > >seeya.....Paul > > > "T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll come bouncing by." "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound!" Rick Johnson "See the Puck, L/L Box 249 Stop the Puck, University of Vermont Simple." Burlington, VT 05405-0384 - Hockey-Goalie list member (802) 656-6187 "You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!" -Hockey-Goalie list member Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Olsen Subject: Re: annoying players Date: 17 Nov 1996 04:09:24 -0800 I use the same system for dealing with annoying shooters as Tigger. I skake away. If they don't want to pratice full speed, then they can pratice semwhere else. The way I see it, skating at half speed and screwing around with the puck is a waste of time for both parties. It dosen't help the shooter prepare for a game, and it throws off my timing. I've gotten up and walked right out of pratices where this kind of things happens. Last time I did this, my captian was aksing why I left the net (I was sitting bench, with my gloves and body armor off), I explained my opinion and told him that I was surprised that no one was getting hurt out there, as that thends to happen when pratice degrades to goofing off. The captian shruged and went to talk to someone else, and about ten min. later, we lost a play for the rest of the season. He was goofing off along the boards and tore something in his ankle. I'd rather look like a jerk for leaving than throw off my game, or miss a season, because some people think pratice is to show off or goof around. EGO -- -------------------------------------------- | Ego@thehouse.sparks.nv.us | | www.directcon.net/olsen | | | | "I find your lack of faith..disturbing."| | -Darth Vader | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NORRIS Douglas Todd Subject: Re: annoying players Date: 17 Nov 1996 11:42:17 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 arnsat@magna.com.au wrote: > Any other ideas??? That's pretty much why I became the brawler on my team - not a very helpful solution to be sure, but my teammates thought twice about ticking me off after they saw me take on another team's tough guy. Oh, and you don't get sent to the penalty box, either (Note that if you get kicked out, you actually get kicked out) Just my two cents... Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "You know, there isn't a man, woman, or child alive who doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage." - David Letterman, the Late Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rickt@wybbs.wynalda.com (rickt) Subject: Re: annoying players Date: 18 Nov 1996 01:11:44 -0500 (EST) > > Hi all, > This relates to practises. > Does anyone have on their own team players who aren't nessarcarily good and The guy I have a problem with is that he is pretty good and has an incredible hard and fast slap shot, which always comes head high. His Wednesday night team banned him from shooting slaps at the goalie, becuase he was hurting and making him Gun shy for the game Rick Tucker rickt@wybbs.wynalda.com -- I try to take one day at a time..., but lately several days have attacked me at once. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: Fwd: goalie pads 4 sale Date: 18 Nov 1996 13:49:10 -0800 This came off of the Bay Area Hockey list...I will be sending them a message about our list, of course, but wanted to see if anyone is interested in what they have to offer... -Don **************************************************************************** Don Otvos | Madge Networks Inc Inside Sales - Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Worry is misuse of the imagination. ======ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT====== I have a pair of Cooper goalie pads that I'm looking to sell. The pads were used for one season and in very good shape. They're 32", white and have quick release buckles. They're a great pad for a beginning-intermediate adult. I'm looking for $100 OBO. Please email back if interested. ======END FORWARDED TEXT====== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Shooting with goal stick, remarks about breakaway style Date: 18 Nov 1996 20:37:01 -0500 HELLOOOOO!!! I'm a better-than-average goalie, but I feel that I lack ability in the puck-handling area. I'm pretty good at "road-blocking" dump-ins behind the net, but since I'm right-handed, it's been difficult for me to learn to shoot left-handed with the goal stick. I don't want to get into the habit of flipping my stick around and shooting right-handed because I've seen goals scored as a result of the goalie losing the puck while flipping the stick. I've also seen goalies get their sticks knocked away while flipping them over. I personally think that those risks out weigh any benefits of flipping the stick around. So, I've decided to learn to shoot left-handed... I think that if I have a problem shooting the puck, it might have to do with hand position. I have a good idea where I on the shaft should put my blocker hand when shooting, but exactly what is the best proven way to grip the paddle of the stick with the trapper? I'm not quite sure if I'm doing that correctly. I squeeze the uppermost portion of the paddle between the thumb and palm of the glove, and that seems to work okay, but my shots don't go nearly as high or as hard as I would like them to. Also, I don't have as much control over my shots as I would like to. I'm not sure where my problem is, or if I even have a problem. Any ideas? Another stick-related question: How on EARTH do you shoot backhands with your goal gloves & goal stick? I've seen NHL goalies who have backhands as good as their forehands...I have NO idea how to do this, and I wold appreciate any advice (about glove positioning, wrist flip, follow through, etc.) you guys could give me. Thanks to those of you who responded to my message Re: Reaction Speed and Breakaways. You guys offered some pretty useful stuff. I wasn't too specific about my own style in that mesage...Just for the record, I get myself ready for a potential play when the puck is just about at the red line...Do you guys do this? What I mean by "getting myself ready" is I check my near-side post, and come out about 6 feet or so out of the crease; on breakaways, I come out a few feet more, then back in so that when the shooter ginally meets me, I am just inside the edge of my crease. I think that when facing breakaways I tend to butterfly more than anything else, since my lateral movements are quick. Since I'm backing in, I can keep up with the shooter's dekes if he comes in close, and if he sweeps across the crease, I slide along with him in the butterfly and use the stick to try to knock the puck away. This way, if he tries to shoot low, I have the corners covered with the pads, and if he goes high my hands are capable of defending the upper corners and top shelf. Because of my stick-check, the shooter cannot stop or cut back if he wants to keep the puck. This keeps me from getting caught on the wrong side of the net when the shooter cuts across the goal mouth. Do you guys have any remarks about that? -- James McElfresh - Willowbrook Spiders #15 - Houston, Texas Email: HOCKEY6688@AOL.com "If I had to stop it with my mouth I would do it." - Martin Brodeur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Real computer problems (?!) Date: 18 Nov 1996 20:37:05 -0500 This should be good for a laugh... bry@mail1.mnsinc.com (Brian Carling) wrote: >Real and true computer problems! > > 1. Compaq is considering changing the command "Press Any Key" > to "Press Return Key" because of the flood of calls asking > where the "Any" key is. > > 2. AST technical support had a caller complaining that her > mouse was hard to control with the dust cover on. The cover > turned out to be the plastic bag the mouse was packaged in. > > 3. Another Compaq technician received a call from a man > complaining that the system wouldn't read word processing files > from his old diskettes. After trouble-shooting for magnets and > heat failed to diagnose the problem, it was found that the > customer labelled the diskettes then rolled them into the > typewriter to type the labels. > > 4. Another AST customer was asked to send a copy of her > defective diskettes. A few days later a letter arrived from the > customer along with Xeroxed copies of the floppies. > > 5. A Dell technician advised his customer to put his troubled > floppy back in the drive and close the door. The customer asked > the tech to hold on, and was heard putting the phone down, > getting up and crossing the room to close the door to his > room. > 6. Another Dell customer called to say he couldn't get > his computer to fax anything. After 40 minutes of > trouble-shooting, the technician discovered the man was trying > to fax a piece of paper by holding it in front of the monitor > screen and hitting the "send" key. > > 7. Another Dell customer needed help setting up a new program, > so a Dell tech suggested he go to the local Egghead. "Yeah, I > got me a couple of friends, "the customer replied. When told > Egghead was a software store, the man said, "Oh, I thought you > meant for me to find a couple of geeks." > > 8. Yet another Dell customer called to complain that his > keyboard no longer worked. He had cleaned it by filling up his > tub with soap and water and soaking the keyboard for a day, > then removing all the keys and washing them individually. > > 9. A Dell technician received a call from a customer who was > enraged because his computer had told him he was "bad and an > invalid". The tech explained that the computer's "bad command" > and "invalid" responses shouldn't be taken personally. > > 10. An exasperated caller to Dell Computer Tech Support > couldn't get her new Dell Computer to turn on. After ensuring > the computer was plugged in, the technician asked her what > happened when she pushed the power button. Her response, "I > pushed and pushed on this foot pedal and nothing happens." The > "foot pedal" turned out to be the computer's mouse. > > 11. Another customer called Compaq tech support to say her > brand-new computer wouldn't work. She said she unpacked the > unit, plugged it in, and sat there for 20 minutes waiting for > something to happen. When asked what happened when she pressed > the power switch, she asked > "What power switch?" > > 12. True story from a Novell NetWire SysOp: > > Caller: "Hello, is this Tech Support?" > > Tech Rep: "Yes, it is. How may I help you?" > > Caller: "The cup holder on my PC is broken and I am within my > warranty period. How do I go about getting that t fixed?" > > Tech Rep: "I'm sorry, but did you say a cup holder?"Caller: > "Yes, it's attached to the front of my computer." > > Tech Rep: "Please excuse me if I seem a bit stumped, it's > because I am. Did you receive this as part of a promotional, at > a trade show? How did you get this cup holder? Does it have any > trademark on it?" > > Caller: "It came with my computer, I don't know anything about > a promotional. It just has '4X' on it." > > At this point the Tech Rep had to mute the caller, because he > couldn't stand it. The caller had been using the load drawer > of the CD-ROM drive as a cup holder, and snapped it off the > drive. -- James McElfresh - Willowbrook Spiders #15 - Houston, Texas Email: HOCKEY6688@AOL.com "If I had to stop it with my mouth I would do it." - Martin Brodeur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Shooting with goal stick, remarks about breakaway style Date: 19 Nov 1996 08:55:33 -0500 At 08:37 PM 11/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >HELLOOOOO!!! > I'm a better-than-average goalie, but I feel that I lack ability in the >puck-handling area. I'm pretty good at "road-blocking" dump-ins behind the >net, but since I'm right-handed, it's been difficult for me to learn to shoot >left-handed with the goal stick. I don't want to get into the habit of >flipping my stick around and shooting right-handed because I've seen goals >scored as a result of the goalie losing the puck while flipping the stick. > I've also seen goalies get their sticks knocked away while flipping them >over. I personally think that those risks out weigh any benefits of flipping >the stick around. So, I've decided to learn to shoot left-handed... > I think that if I have a problem shooting the puck, it might have to do >with hand position. I have a good idea where I on the shaft should put my >blocker hand when shooting, but exactly what is the best proven way to grip >the paddle of the stick with the trapper? I'm not quite sure if I'm doing >that correctly. I squeeze the uppermost portion of the paddle between the >thumb and palm of the glove, and that seems to work okay, but my shots don't >go nearly as high or as hard as I would like them to. Also, I don't have as >much control over my shots as I would like to. I'm not sure where my problem >is, or if I even have a problem. Any ideas? I think your major problem here is that your actually holding the stick with your catch glove in the wrong position, as I explained to and actually showed Malcolm Preen when he visited me last week while honeymooning in Canada from England. He was doing something similiar to you by holding the actual paddle of the stick, what you want to do is to move your catcher up to the midpoint of the handle of the stick (notice forwards hands are about 1.5 - 2 feet apart when they shoot) when your hand is on the knob of the GOAL STICK, and your catcher on the par where the paddle and shaft meet, you would be in a bent over position and unable to get leverage on the shot, or a decent snap of the wrist to raise and fire the puck hard. If your bent over with hand on paddle and hand on knob, you would be basically just "pushing the puck". Your on the right track by learning to shoot left handed, but in situations where you have lots of time, dont be afraid to flip the stick and shoot your natural way (a straight stick is required here if you want to shoot both ways though!) Once you get the hang of it shooting with either hand isnt too difficult, thankfully I block left and shoot right, so I am in my natural shooting position all the time... > Another stick-related question: How on EARTH do you shoot backhands with >your goal gloves & goal stick? I've seen NHL goalies who have backhands as >good as their forehands...I have NO idea how to do this, and I wold >appreciate any advice (about glove positioning, wrist flip, follow through, >etc.) you guys could give me. Depending on how they are doing this... many goalies like a one handed backhand shot, there is a little trick to these, watch closely how they will use their ribs as a fulcrum for their stick, as they come through they trap the handle of their stick between their arm and ribs, this gives a leverage point, and alows for them to get a higher and harder shot. If there doing a two handed backhand, watch where the bends, he will be leaning forward with shoulder ahead of the puck, and will whip his stick through the shot, and also follow through, on the follow through, point the stick where you want the puck to go! Also, both shooting and puck handling is one of the hardest skills for a goalie to master, you cannot learn this skill over night. There is no real proper way to do it either, find what works best for you and use it! Practice shooting anytime you can, go in your driveway or basement etc...and put your gloves on and practice shooting tennis balls etc... this will help you get that whip in your shot! Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: Fwd: Goalie equipment sought Date: 19 Nov 1996 9:08:42 -0800 Another forward from the Bay Area Hockey list... **************************************************************************** Don Otvos | Madge Networks Inc Inside Sales - Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Worry is misuse of the imagination. ======ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT====== Can anyone point me to a source for second-hand goalie equipment? In particular, I'm looking for a right-handed catcher and left-handed blocker (yeah, I play the "weird" way), plus potentially an arm/chest protector. Any tips will be appreciated, since I doubt I have the $$ to buy new. Thanks. peter_stein@qm.kqed.org ======END FORWARDED TEXT====== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca Subject: smashed up fingers Date: 19 Nov 1996 12:27:24 -0500 Does anyone else have a problem of smashing their fingers against the post when they come hard across on the blocker side to hug the post? There is a protection flap on my Louisville TPS blocker positioned in front of the fingers, but when my fingers are curled around my stick, it is the ends that end up hitting the post. I also had a nasty spell last week when I was nailed by a guy on a breakaway. the ends of my fingers smashed right into the ice, and they are still sore. Is this a normal part of goaltending, or is there somehow I can modify my technique to prevent smashing against the post? Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: smashed up fingers Date: 19 Nov 1996 13:07:25 -0500 this is how it is man- if you repeatedly stand in front of a blistering biscuit---- you will get hurt. unfortunatly you have chosen a thankless job. you're only reward for winning?---lots of bruises-- not the usual ho hum bruises but rainbow brite beauties the size of a garbage can lids. my only suggestion to you is get the best equipment available---it's expensive but it pays for itself in the long run. try a vaughn blocker. of all the blockers made they use the best leather in the palm-- it doesn't stink up your hand like cheasy ( fromage) leather does and overall they last a long time and are tough--- remember to lightly massage you're bruises--- they will go away faster and helps serious ones from clotting- good day eh?! zac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Shooting with goal stick, remarks about breakaway style Date: 19 Nov 1996 10:11:17 -0800 At 08:55 AM 11/19/96 -0500, Scott Battram wrote: >Also, both shooting and puck handling is one of the hardest skills for a >goalie to master, you cannot learn this skill over night. There is no real >proper way to do it either, find what works best for you and use it! >Practice shooting anytime you can, go in your driveway or basement etc...and >put your gloves on and practice shooting tennis balls etc... this will help >you get that whip in your shot! What I do is take 10 minutes out of every practice (while the guys are skating around in endless circles), and practice shooting the puck at my net...I've been getting to the point where from the hash marks, I can put the puck over the cross-bar... Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.activex.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: smashed up fingers Date: 19 Nov 1996 13:24:42 -0500 Interesting...I can't say that I've ever smashed my fingers on the post. When I come across I feel for the post with my elbow (as I am pulling it around the post). I've also consulted a couple of other goalies (one who is sitting here and the other I am currently on the phone with) and neither of them have had that problem. I (We) think it is a technique problem. You want to cradle the post between your arm and body when you are across. When I personally come across, I turn the stick so that I can block the pass out. My advice, Rick "Tigger" #30 At 12:27 PM 11/19/96 -0500, steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca wrote: > >Does anyone else have a problem of smashing their fingers against the >post when they come hard across on the blocker side to hug the post? >There is a protection flap on my Louisville TPS blocker positioned in >front of the fingers, but when my fingers are curled around my stick, it >is the ends that end up hitting the post. > >I also had a nasty spell last week when I was nailed by a guy on a >breakaway. the ends of my fingers smashed right into the ice, and they >are still sore. > >Is this a normal part of goaltending, or is there somehow I can modify my >technique to prevent smashing against the post? > >Steve > > > > "T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll come bouncing by." "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound!" Rick Johnson "See the Puck, L/L Box 249 Stop the Puck, University of Vermont Simple." Burlington, VT 05405-0384 - Hockey-Goalie list member (802) 656-6187 "You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!" -Hockey-Goalie list member Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: smashed up fingers Date: 19 Nov 1996 16:58:06 -0500 At 01:07 PM 11/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >this is how it is man- >if you repeatedly stand in front of a blistering biscuit---- you will get >hurt. unfortunatly >you have chosen a thankless job. you're only reward for winning?---lots of >bruises-- >not the usual ho hum bruises but rainbow brite beauties the size of a garbage >can >lids. my only suggestion to you is get the best equipment available---it's >expensive but it pays for itself in the long run. try a vaughn blocker. of >all the blockers made they use the best leather in the palm-- it doesn't >stink up your hand like cheasy >( fromage) leather does and overall they last a long time and are tough--- >remember to lightly massage you're bruises--- they will go away faster and >helps serious ones from clotting- good day eh?! > zac > > > Its not leather in the palm, its a CLARINO product (synthetic leather) called BS-2100, the palms are all made by Ralph Beavis (VAUGHN doesnt manufacture the palms) We use the exact same palm in our new 97 blocker, the material is also the same as what BAUER uses in their hockey skates. We actually have Ralph make the palms better than the VAUGHN palms by adding ventilation holes in the gusset of the glove, and additional ETHER foam in the palm. However Steve's problem doesnt stem from the actual palm in the TPS blocker, but rather from his technique or the fact that the blocker board on the TPS may be tapered so it makes picking up the goal stick easier by putting your hand closer to the ice. The Louisville palm although not as good as the palms VAUGHN and myself use, will play no role in this situation. Make sure that the finger pad is attatched properly, I know on ours we have two seperate pads, one for the index finger and another for the last three fingers, on the index finger we also use additional padding on the outside of the finger to prevent damage from pucks comming up the paddle of the goal stick. Morever, it may sound as though when your hitting your fingers on the goalpost, your not making your arm move in an arc when going across the net but rather just slamming from post to post... when your going down, it sounds like your stick is pinching your fingers between you and the ice... Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: McKichan vs T.Twist and the St.Louis Blues Date: 19 Nov 1996 20:23:58 -0500 (EST) Any of you guys and girls have any comments on former goaltender Steve McKichan's civial court case vs. Twist and the Blues? Steve was awarded 175,000 US for a hit which he claims forced him to retire from PRO hockey... the hit occured in 1990 when Steve played for the Milwaukee Admirals of the IHL. Steve is a good friend of mine, and since the trial, we have learned alot of facts that Steve left out in his version of the story... Also, if the Blues appeal the case, does this put a freeze on the money?? Steve claims he has severe shoulder, neck and back injuries, as well as memory and vision problems that were caused by the collision... but it never has stopped him from lifting weights or jet skiing etc... etc... Also, what about the appeal, can he be awarded more money on the appeal??? I am not familiar with the US legal system... but I think we have an aspiring lawyer in John Ordonez here on the mail list... maybe someone can help! Also, if anyone has a news highlet where the video tape was shown I would love a copy...since Steve couldnt show it to anyone, I never had the chance to see it... but I guess it was shown on St. Louis TV last week after the judgement was awarded... Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http:\\execulink.com\~sbattram\index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: Replacement cages Date: 20 Nov 1996 14:00:44 -0500 (EST) Last night, I was pressed into emergency substitution play for one of my league's weaker teams. I went in knowing it would be tough because we were going up against the defending league champs and my arch-nemesis (longtime list members will know this is the "Fathers"). I wasn't getting any kind of warm fuzzy feeling before the game because there were only two or three spares and the guys were complaining that they were going to be humiliated on this night. No pressure, right? Anyways, warmup was good and I was feeling limber and comfy (despite a slight popcorn-induced heartburn). Then all hell broke loose: the Fathers pretty much dominated the play and were firing howitzers all night; many of them in close and multiple shots while I was down. Final tally was 45 shots in a 5-3 loss. One of the hardest shots of the night drilled me right in the cat's eye cage, just above the point where the cage extends the furthest out. The inward dent was about 1/4 inch, but it did break the soulder point of the cage where the "U" shaped wire meets the vertical bar. I know I have to replace this cage asap, but Gilles Michaud won't be able to prepe a cage for me in time for my next game. Does anyone have experience with replacement cat's eye cages? How was the fitting? How expensive was the new cage? Has it taken abuse and survived? I know that Itech and Vaughn market pro cages (I need a black one); are there any other good brands out there? Thanks for your help and advice, HotBranch! (glad the list is back to normal--will post a 1/4 season report of the Battram 3500s shortly) ************** Paul Branchaud (paul@vedge.com) "What kind of Mickey Mouse outfit Technical Writer names their team `The Ducks'?" Visual Edge Software, Ltd. Bugs Bunny to Daffy Duck in Space Jam **The Surgeon General has determined that the above-stated opinions are loopy and should not be inhaled or otherwise taken to be fact** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Replacement cages Date: 20 Nov 1996 21:39:30 -0500 the only thing i know is that unless you buy the cage that is made for the mask (ie itech cage for itech mask) you are screwed unless you are willing to drill holes into your mask wich will compromise the strength of the mask--your call. myself i'd play with it until your new cage comes. it will never be as fromage as those cooper hm30 cages-- they are brutal. if someone gives you some chin music-- just duck. face it man if your team wins--- eveyone played great. if your team loses--- then you sucked ( someone please remind me why we do this anyway! ). it's a lose lose situation. good luck inhaling biscuits! zac " if i'm fast enough to get in the way then i'm fast enough to get out of the way" lampson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: some new products Date: 20 Nov 1996 22:28:30 -0500 (EST) Hi there gang, We now will be offering the following new accessories for goalies: LEXAN plastic throat guards. Cordura Nylon Goalie Skate Guards (designed to protect your equipment bags, and also to help maintain the edge on your skate) I am waiting on some throat guards to come in tomorrow... Apparently I have access to 3 different styles... There also may be a slight possibility that we may be offering our own goalie mask in the future, once again, I am waiting for some sample shells and skull plates to arrive tomorrow. If I am happy with the look of the shell and plate, I will see about putting togethor a mask of our own. It will be an injection molded mask, and probably wont be to expensive, but it all depends if I like the look of the shells. We also have a local airbrush artist who will be able to paint them as well... heck, if I dont like the shells, maybe we can sell them as decorative masks once all painted up and slap a cage on them... presto cool decorations for your rec-rooms... Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: mask integrity Date: 20 Nov 1996 19:42:16 -0800 (PST) Regarding broken cages: A few words from one who has been there...if the weld has snapped don't play in it until you get the cage replaced. I consulted my brother-in-law , when my cage snapped and broke over the outermost junction, who is a welder and knows metal, if you go out in a compromised cage you are asking for facial injury. In fact, he wouldn't even repair mine when it snapped over the nose (cats eye type) because he said it wouldn't be safe. I can't speak as to the replacement brand except to say that as far as I know if you change cages from the original you will automatically void any injury warranties. Please be careful! There are lots of games but only one face, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: sub/ubsub Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:57:47 -0700 (MST) Now that we're back online, it was suggested to me that I post the sub and unsub instructions again, so people know what to do. All administrative requests should be sent to the following address: hockey-goalie-request@xmission.com So to sub (unsub), send email and put subscribe in the body of the mail. Do not send administrivia to hockey-goalie@xmission.com ...that is how you post to the list. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: yello! Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:58:52 -0700 (MST) Who is the goalie on the cover of the new Boston Hockey catalog?!? Dig those yellow leg pads. Me want... (Is that Boston College wearing the yellow jerseys?) Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: mask question Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:47:28, -0500 The sweatband on my son's Koho 500 has come off. What kind of glue can I use on the velcro strip to make it stay on? We tried high-temp hot glue with his old Cooper mask & that didn't last more than a game or two. Thanks Robyn, another goaliemom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: mask question Date: 21 Nov 1996 01:38:39 -0500 hey try the 3m spray glue-- it's pricey but it works really well. there are alot of similar types of spray glue but 3m is the only stuff that really works. i've used it to glue the velcro in and extra pieces of that rubatex lining to get my mask to fit better and it really worked great ( the glue and my idea ). goalie moms rule. zac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: mask question Date: 21 Nov 1996 08:47:54 -0500 (EST) At 12:47 AM 11/21/96 -0500, you wrote: >The sweatband on my son's Koho 500 has come off. What kind of glue can I >use on the velcro strip to make it stay on? We tried high-temp hot glue >with his old Cooper mask & that didn't last more than a game or two. >Thanks > >Robyn, another goaliemom > > > Hot glue wont work on masks, as in the cold arena's it seems to pull away, combined with the sweat etc... Use a crazy glue, we would use a Zytec industrial glue here, but I doubt you have that kicking around! Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: Re: mask question Date: 21 Nov 1996 10:55:24 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, BOBBIE STANFILL wrote: > The sweatband on my son's Koho 500 has come off. What kind of glue can I > use on the velcro strip to make it stay on? We tried high-temp hot glue > with his old Cooper mask & that didn't last more than a game or two. When all else fails: contact cement! It seems to be one of the more durable adhesives out there and it works wonders on goalie masks. All the foam in my mask is secured using contact cement. I also used contact cement on my Battrams. Before Scott passes out, I'll explain that the red maple leaf graphic he did on my pads was brilliant, but somewhat disrupted by the white straps. When I mentionned it to Scott, he hot glued strips of red clarino (or genrino) to match the outline of the maple leaf onto the white straps (completing the effect). Well, after about three games, some of the glue was losing its grip and the strips were flailing about. So on one of my wild and crazy Saturday nights, I carefully removed the red overlays and the excess glue and reattached them with contact cement. They haven't budged a millimeter in over 10 games! BTW, thanks for the info/opinions on replacement cages. I have a custom-made Michaud (no CSA or HECC) with a "double-cured" Cooper HM30 cage (the one that broke). I called a few stores in Montreal and I could only order an Itech replacement cage. Final cost $85! :( I have a "regulation" cage that I can use while I await delivery of the Itech, so I am not too worried about my game tonight. I also have 8 holes (4 for the regulation and 4 for the cat's eye) to choose from for securing the cage to my mask, so I doubt I will have to drill new ones. One of my teammates suggested I just re-soulder the bars together. Obviously, it's not his face, so he's not paranoid about weakened structural integrity; I am! Scott, I might take you up on the cage you told me about. The cost isn't that much more, and I'm sure it will outlive the Itech. Do they make the cages in black? Does anyone know if Ed Cubberly is still on the list? I sent him a message asking about his cages, but the mail got bounced. HotBranch! ************** Paul Branchaud (paul@vedge.com) "What kind of Mickey Mouse outfit Technical Writer names their team `The Ducks'?" Visual Edge Software, Ltd. Bugs Bunny to Daffy Duck in Space Jam **The Surgeon General has determined that the above-stated opinions are loopy and should not be inhaled or otherwise taken to be fact** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca Subject: knee strap on leg pads, and pad maintenance Date: 21 Nov 1996 12:31:35 -0500 I have Forrester Air-Tec 100's. The strap that goes right behind my knee has a flap it is fed through to secure itself better. recently, I have noticed that the flap is starting to rip from where it was sown. Is this happening because I am tying my strap on too tight? Is this strap supposed to be loose (my thigh strap for instance is quite loose)? Also, near the inside ankle areas on my pads, rips are forming where the pad was originally sown. The stuffing is packed tight enough that it isn't coming out yet, but I put some duct tape on top of the big rip to secure it. I went to a shoe store to see if they could sew it back, but they said it was not possible. Again, is this due to poor pad design or just from regular wear and tear? Do many of you go the duct tape route, or is it really worthwhile to go to a hockey shop and have the whole piece replaced (and restuffed?) It looks like until I graduate and get my Battram's, I will have to live with these! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Warm Ups Date: 21 Nov 1996 10:11:50 -0800 (PST) I'd like to add my two cents onto the thread concerning pre-game warmup. I feel that a few minutes warmup is essential. Facing shots, starting from shots at the blue line, is very important to get loose. It also allows me to get a feel for the rink I'm playing in, how to see the angles. I don't like going into a game without this as I feel more vulnerable to injury and to giving up a soft goal until I am warmed up and somewhat more limber. On the other hand, I also don't like long warmups with lots of drills. Then I get tired and discouraged. Those kinds of drills favor the shooter and as a result lots of pucks get past me which is not a good way to start a game. I'm happiest when I get a few minutes of blue line shots followed by a few shots closer in. I find that performance in the warm ups is not indicative of how I'll do in the game. Poor warm ups with just about everything getting by me have been followed by some of my best games. Conversely, games in which I have been sharp during warm ups have been abysmal. Must be a head thing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Warm Ups Date: 21 Nov 1996 10:25:53 -0800 At 10:11 AM 11/21/96 -0800, Larry Smith wrote: >I find that performance in the warm ups is not indicative of how I'll do in >the game. Poor warm ups with just about everything getting by me have been >followed by some of my best games. Conversely, games in which I have been >sharp during warm ups have been abysmal. Must be a head thing. I have found this, also, although usually more so with a bad warmup/good game thing. I guess I feel that I've shaken out all the bad "karma" and am free to have an outstanding game. In warmups, however, I'm not out there to stop every shot. I'm there just to get used to the puck. I'm always killing myself trying to get teammates to actually just shoot the puck at me, and not make some big-ass deke, cause I'm not interested. I like getting pucks to hit my pads on the blue line shots, and then I have them run a horseshoe drill from each corner, and the shooter alternating shooting glove side/blocker side to get the arms in motion. Nothing too severe or flashy. I've had teams that have done this, and I've had some of my best seasons, because I always felt prepared before a game. And I've had teams that have had no interest at all at what I wanted, and my game suffered to an extent (since any game is really in the goalie's mind). Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.activex.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: none Date: 21 Nov 1996 12:33:43 -0800 (PST) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. 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The strap that goes right behind my knee >has a flap it is fed through to secure itself better. recently, I have >noticed that the flap is starting to rip from where it was sown. Is this >happening because I am tying my strap on too tight? Is this strap >supposed to be loose (my thigh strap for instance is quite loose)? > There are all kinds of factors comming into play hear, but my guess is that the seam was sewn with only 1/4" to the edge of the nylon, nylon if its a cheap offshore nylon will frey (chances are that this will be the nylon found in the Forrester line) therefor, allowing the the material to pull away from the seam, also, chances are a #69 nylon thread was used, we use #138 or #207 nylon, 69 is a popular bobbin thread, and usually a 138 top thread is used (generally this is done on poorer sewing equipment) We use the same thread top and bottom on all products. You may have the strap pulled too tight... but this shouldnt cause a ripping or tearing... >Also, near the inside ankle areas on my pads, rips are forming where the >pad was originally sown. The stuffing is packed tight enough that it >isn't coming out yet, but I put some duct tape on top of the big rip to >secure it. > >I went to a shoe store to see if they could sew it back, but they said it >was not possible. Again, is this due to poor pad design or just from >regular wear and tear? Do many of you go the duct tape route, or is it >really worthwhile to go to a hockey shop and have the whole piece >replaced (and restuffed?) > Chances are, most hockey shops wont be set-up to do such a proceedure, depending on where it is ripped, or torn, you may be looking at patching as the best alternative... in order to fix alot of stuff the correct way, would require taking the entire pad apart... of course this isnt economical... I cant see why the shoe shop couldnt do this job... if it is a simple tear, they are really easy to fix... I fixed a set of Marc Michauds goal pads where the vertical roll pulled off the facing of the pad (Marc was formerly in the Ottawa Senators Organization) and he drove from his home in Missisauga to Woodstock to get me to fix the problem, as he knew it would be done right... His remark was, "You would never have know it had been torn at all!" So I was quite happy... the pads were a set of Heaton Pro 90z pads. Many shoe guys feel uncomfortable doing repairs outside their area of expertise... much like if someone brought me in a pair of shoes! >It looks like until I graduate and get my Battram's, I will have to live >with these! > Heheh! Just drive down to Woodstock Steve, and we will fix you up, and set you up with a new pair... By the way, i had Malcolm Preen stop in to see me last week with his new wife Becky... he got the first look at all our new 1997 stuff, and actually had me measure him up for pads and gloves... so we will have to wait for him to get back to England for his comments! >Steve > > > Scott Battram *** Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT *** Woodstock, Ontario Canada TEL: (519)539-4495 FAX:(519)539-6689 WWW: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm Manufacturing Quality Custom Made Goalie Equipment Est. 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Strobridge Subject: Yet another Battram review Date: 21 Nov 1996 18:24:19 -0500 Hey all, Well, the list got back to normal just in time for my review. I just got my new 1997 BPGT 3500 super pro catch glove in the mail today. First impression: it nearly brought tears to my eyes, it was so beautiful. The first thing that caught my I when I pulled it out of the box was the pocket. As Scott's website says, the pocket is absolutely gigantic. Another thing about the pocket (this is kind of hard to explain, maybe Scott could explain it better) is when you look straight at the plam of the glove, the pocket seems to sort of curve around behind the thumb. This makes me think that anything that goes into the pocket is probably not going to come out. The other thing that I really like about this glove (I like everything about it) is the padding on the inside. It's much more comforable than the old Cooper GMPro that I was using. The last thing that I thought I should mention is the rapid break-in. When I first got my old Cooper, I could barely close it at all. I could close my new Battram all the way easily. Granted, my hand got tired after a little while, but any new glove is going to be pretty stiff right out of the box. Hopefully, if I work on it 24 hours a day, it'll be nice and ready for use in a pick-up game on Saturday night. I'll give a practice/game performance review after I've had a chance to use it a little bit. I can't wait! Later, Dave Strobridge VA Tech Hokies 0 mins. played 0.00 GAA 0.00 Save % ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAMES SACHS <102060.3003@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Miller Leg Guards Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:16:03 EST Miller is a small outfit in Vancouver B.C. The product they do is not too bad now.They will do custom work, but the off the rack stuff is about coparable to a Cooper Reactor 3 for a few bucks less.I am the equipment manager for the second largest minor hockey assoc. in B.C. and buy about $50,000 bucks a year in equipment,and I have a lot of older Miller stuff in inventory,and is really junk.I bought a pair of their top line pads for myself last year,mostly due to the price,Iwish now I had waited about 3-4 weeks ,I could have got a better pair of Kohos in the Pat Roy colors for less bucks.Oh well : ( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAMES SACHS <102060.3003@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: hit in the head Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:44:50 EST I've been hit in the many times,in fact i just retired my old Cooper 100 mask with 3 really good dents in it, no head aches.I would NOT!!!! recommend a mask.A cage and helmet is much safer, not to mention lighter and cooler.I've seen guys get knocked out while wearing masks and facing shots that are less than i've just shaken off with my cage.No I'm not new to the game ,I'm 37 and played net since 15(when I didn't wear any mask or cage) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David DeCoster Subject: Top shelf goals Date: 22 Nov 1996 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) First off for those that don't know me. I was on this list when I lived in Mn. We have since moved to NY. In Mn I was the president of a small youth hockey org. and a goalie dad(still am). Last year in Mn I worked with the goalies on my sons Sqruit A team. This year I am again working with the goalies on my son's PeeWee B team. Having never played the greatest position in the world(someday) I am shall we say better than nothing. I can't stand to see the goalies idle on the ice during practice. So that is why I am helping out. I like to think of myself as a student of the position. Last year before I got involved their GAA was 4 with a sav% of 85. After I got involved they went to a GAA of 2 with a save% of 91. So I feel I kinda have a handle on it. This year I got one goaler that is strictly standup and my son is a combo goaler. My standup guy has a GAA of 2.5 and save% of 88. My son is 1.6 with 91. So far so good. Like they say, "Them that can do, them that can't teach." My problem, my library is packed up until Xmas. My guys are having trouble with top shelf goals. They appear to have the angles but seem to miss the puck by inches on the glove side. Is this a matter of practice, practice? Is there a technique that I am missing or could show them? A good drill. I have managed to keep target practice to a minimum. I get about 15 min every hour of practice for goalie specific stuff. This is over and above warmup. They seem to have the bottom of the net covered pretty well so far. But they are just not consistent. What I see as part of the problem is that during odd man rush drills they get a little rushed and don't setup. I try to keep them up and tell them let it go by if you aren't ready. But I think the coach has them a little jumpy. His theory is they rotate for regular league games but for tournaments he will play who ever is hot, based on previous game performance and practice. So in my mind they are putting pressure on themselves. Any help/suggestions are welcomed. Oh, it's good to be back on the list here. Thanks in advance Davey D David L DeCoster Dept. 40G, Lanserver Development and RF/Systems Support We've done so much for so long with so little. Now we can do anything with nothing. Internal: decoster@rchland, decoster@endvm5 Internet: ddecoster@vnet.ibm.com TL 852-6688 / (607) 888-6688 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca Subject: hockey overseas Date: 22 Nov 1996 14:10:47 -0500 Hi folks, I may be going to China for a year, and I am wondering if I should take my gear with me. Has anyone lived or been over there, or know about how much hockey there is going on? The Chinese are pretty big in figure skating, so I thought they might have some hockey developing as well. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Russell Subject: re: Top shelf goals Date: 23 Nov 1996 03:14 EST Please tell me how to unsubscribe from the list. My last attempt was unsuccessful . I have to drop out for a while. Regards ------------- Original Text From David DeCoster, on 11/22/96 11:36 AM: goalie|INTERNET|hockey-goalie@xmission.com] First off for those that don't know me. I was on this list when I lived in Mn. We have since moved to NY. In Mn I was the president of a small youth hockey org. and a goalie dad(still am). Last year in Mn I worked with the goalies on my sons Sqruit A team. This year I am again working with the goalies on my son's PeeWee B team. Having never played the greatest position in the world(someday) I am shall we say better than nothing. I can't stand to see the goalies idle on the ice during practice. So that is why I am helping out. I like to think of myself as a student of the position. Last year before I got involved their GAA was 4 with a sav% of 85. After I got involved they went to a GAA of 2 with a save% of 91. So I feel I kinda have a handle on it. This year I got one goaler that is strictly standup and my son is a combo goaler. My standup guy has a GAA of 2.5 and save% of 88. My son is 1.6 with 91. So far so good. Like they say, "Them that can do, them that can't teach." My problem, my library is packed up until Xmas. My guys are having trouble with top shelf goals. They appear to have the angles but seem to miss the puck by inches on the glove side. Is this a matter of practice, practice? Is there a technique that I am missing or could show them? A good drill. I have managed to keep target practice to a minimum. I get about 15 min every hour of practice for goalie specific stuff. This is over and above warmup. They seem to have the bottom of the net covered pretty well so far. But they are just not consistent. What I see as part of the problem is that during odd man rush drills they get a little rushed and don't setup. I try to keep them up and tell them let it go by if you aren't ready. But I think the coach has them a little jumpy. His theory is they rotate for regular league games but for tournaments he will play who ever is hot, based on previous game performance and practice. So in my mind they are putting pressure on themselves. Any help/suggestions are welcomed. Oh, it's good to be back on the list here. Thanks in advance Davey D David L DeCoster Dept. 40G, Lanserver Development and RF/Systems Support We've done so much for so long with so little. Now we can do anything with nothing. 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M !497AT?@!0;&5AI've been hit in the many times,in fact i just retired my old Cooper 100 mask >with 3 really good dents in it, no head aches.I would NOT!!!! recommend a >mask.A >cage and helmet is much safer, not to mention lighter and cooler.I've seen guys >get knocked out while wearing masks and facing shots that are less than i've >just shaken off with my cage.No I'm not new to the game ,I'm 37 and played net >since 15(when I didn't wear any mask or cage) I cannot agree with you. A well made mask beats a helmet and cage hands down for protection. Most helmets are made of plastic which can give with the shot transferring the impact to your skull at the point of impact. A well made mask made of a fiberglass/kevlar combination is much stiffer and the helmet absorbs the full impact with no give. I've noticed a marked reduction in how much a shot affects me when I moved from helmet to mask. This type of mask is finally affordable. There are a lot of plastic masks on the market, though; and I would agree with your assessment of those masks. The I-Tech senior, Koho, and Heaton masks are all ones to avoid. I think the final argument lies in those goalies who inarguably face the hardest shots and play the most - professional goalies. The vast majority of NHL, IHL, AHL, european, and collegiate level goalies wear masks. And its not all for show. Remember when a goalie getting hit in the head with the old masks almost always went down. When was the last time you saw a goalie get hit in the head in a game go down? Most just keep on playing; and its the masks. I played in cooper helmets and i-tech for most of my playing career; going on 14 years now. I now play in a VanVelden and wouldn't go back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Top shelf goals Date: 25 Nov 1996 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Cc: hockey-goal@xmission.com Davey: Glove saves require much more hand-eye coordination than do other saves. It is much more important for the goalie to see the puck when making a glove save. Low saves the goalie covers an area with stick or pads. If he is off a little in his positioning because he is actually watching the shooter and is not focused on the puck he will still make the save. Say a low shot curves a little on the way in; the goalie gets his pad down and the puck hits near the end instead of the middle. No problem, save made. Now suppose the same happens on a glove save. The goalie waves the glove through where he thinks the puck is going based on the shooters motion, but the puck drops or knuckles a little. The glove is just a little out of position and the goalie misses the save by inches. Goalies should try focus on the puck before the shot. After the shot is too late; the puck is coming in too fast to allow the goalie to adjust his focus from some other point onto the puck before it gets to him. Teach the goalies to focus on the puck before the shot and follow it into the glove; just like baseball. Playing catch with a baseball might actually help them in this area. Not only will they start making those top shelf saves they will be in better position to react to tipped shots. Larry Smith >First off for those that don't know me. I was on this list when I lived >in Mn. We have >since moved to NY. In Mn I was the president of a small youth hockey >org. and a >goalie dad(still am). Last year in Mn I worked with the goalies on my >sons Sqruit A >team. This year I am again working with the goalies on my son's PeeWee >B team. >Having never played the greatest position in the world(someday) I am >shall we say >better than nothing. I can't stand to see the goalies idle on the ice >during practice. >So that is why I am helping out. I like to think of myself as a student >of the position. >Last year before I got involved their GAA was 4 with a sav% of 85. >After I got >involved they went to a GAA of 2 with a save% of 91. So I feel I kinda >have a >handle on it. This year I got one goaler that is strictly standup and >my son is a >combo goaler. My standup guy has a GAA of 2.5 and save% of 88. My son >is >1.6 with 91. So far so good. Like they say, "Them that can do, them >that can't >teach." > >My problem, my library is packed up until Xmas. My guys are having >trouble with >top shelf goals. They appear to have the angles but seem to miss the >puck by >inches on the glove side. Is this a matter of practice, practice? Is >there a technique >that I am missing or could show them? A good drill. I have managed to >keep target >practice to a minimum. I get about 15 min every hour of practice for >goalie specific >stuff. This is over and above warmup. They seem to have the bottom of >the net >covered pretty well so far. But they are just not consistent. > >What I see as part of the problem is that during odd man rush drills >they get a little >rushed and don't setup. I try to keep them up and tell them let it go >by if you aren't >ready. But I think the coach has them a little jumpy. His theory is >they rotate for >regular league games but for tournaments he will play who ever is hot, >based on previous >game performance and practice. So in my mind they are putting pressure >on themselves. >Any help/suggestions are welcomed. > >Oh, it's good to be back on the list here. > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Davey D > >David L DeCoster >Dept. 40G, Lanserver Development and RF/Systems Support > >We've done so much for so long with so little. >Now we can do anything with nothing. > >Internal: decoster@rchland, decoster@endvm5 >Internet: ddecoster@vnet.ibm.com >TL 852-6688 / (607) 888-6688 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Re: Top shelf goals Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:56:28 -0500 Howdy: I'd like to add a little tip if you're getting beat by not getting your glove up fast enough. Back in year 1 of my playing days, I pulled something in my left shoulder, and whipping it up to make a save was very painful. So, I just started holding it almost ear-high. That way, any glove save was made by moving down, so the muscle didn't hurt as bad. And, if a shooter sees a glove in the top corner, he's going to be less apt to shoot it there. Matt Malicki ---------- > From: Larry Smith > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Top shelf goals > Date: Monday, November 25, 1996 12:31 PM > > To: "David DeCoster" > From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) > Subject: Re: Top shelf goals > Cc: hockey-goal@xmission.com > > Davey: > > Glove saves require much more hand-eye coordination than do other saves. > It is much more important for the goalie to see the puck when making a > glove save. Low saves the goalie covers an area with stick or pads. If he > is off a little in his positioning because he is actually watching the > shooter and is not focused on the puck he will still make the save. Say a > low shot curves a little on the way in; the goalie gets his pad down and > the puck hits near the end instead of the middle. No problem, save made. > > Now suppose the same happens on a glove save. The goalie waves the glove > through where he thinks the puck is going based on the shooters motion, but > the puck drops or knuckles a little. The glove is just a little out of > position and the goalie misses the save by inches. > > Goalies should try focus on the puck before the shot. After the shot is > too late; the puck is coming in too fast to allow the goalie to adjust his > focus from some other point onto the puck before it gets to him. Teach the > goalies to focus on the puck before the shot and follow it into the glove; > just like baseball. Playing catch with a baseball might actually help them > in this area. Not only will they start making those top shelf saves they > will be in better position to react to tipped shots. > > Larry Smith > > >First off for those that don't know me. I was on this list when I lived > >in Mn. We have > >since moved to NY. In Mn I was the president of a small youth hockey > >org. and a > >goalie dad(still am). Last year in Mn I worked with the goalies on my > >sons Sqruit A > >team. This year I am again working with the goalies on my son's PeeWee > >B team. > >Having never played the greatest position in the world(someday) I am > >shall we say > >better than nothing. I can't stand to see the goalies idle on the ice > >during practice. > >So that is why I am helping out. I like to think of myself as a student > >of the position. > >Last year before I got involved their GAA was 4 with a sav% of 85. > >After I got > >involved they went to a GAA of 2 with a save% of 91. So I feel I kinda > >have a > >handle on it. This year I got one goaler that is strictly standup and > >my son is a > >combo goaler. My standup guy has a GAA of 2.5 and save% of 88. My son > >is > >1.6 with 91. So far so good. Like they say, "Them that can do, them > >that can't > >teach." > > > >My problem, my library is packed up until Xmas. My guys are having > >trouble with > >top shelf goals. They appear to have the angles but seem to miss the > >puck by > >inches on the glove side. Is this a matter of practice, practice? Is > >there a technique > >that I am missing or could show them? A good drill. I have managed to > >keep target > >practice to a minimum. I get about 15 min every hour of practice for > >goalie specific > >stuff. This is over and above warmup. They seem to have the bottom of > >the net > >covered pretty well so far. But they are just not consistent. > > > >What I see as part of the problem is that during odd man rush drills > >they get a little > >rushed and don't setup. I try to keep them up and tell them let it go > >by if you aren't > >ready. But I think the coach has them a little jumpy. His theory is > >they rotate for > >regular league games but for tournaments he will play who ever is hot, > >based on previous > >game performance and practice. So in my mind they are putting pressure > >on themselves. > >Any help/suggestions are welcomed. > > > >Oh, it's good to be back on the list here. > > > > > >Thanks in advance > > > > > > > >Davey D > > > >David L DeCoster > >Dept. 40G, Lanserver Development and RF/Systems Support > > > >We've done so much for so long with so little. > >Now we can do anything with nothing. > > > >Internal: decoster@rchland, decoster@endvm5 > >Internet: ddecoster@vnet.ibm.com > >TL 852-6688 / (607) 888-6688 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAULSTERN@aol.com Subject: Breaking in new Pads Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:32:23 -0500 Well, I finally received my new pads (Vaughn VPG-3500). After over 20 years playing with my ratty old leather coopers, it was long overdue. I will post a review of the pads and my ordering woes, once I've had a chance to break them in and try them a bit. I played with them last night and they felt awefully stiff. This didn't help my play although I know this is natural the first time out. Can anyone recommend how to best break in one of these "new generation" pads. In the old days, we would compress the pads down from the top into an S and stick them under the edge of a table to keep the S. This would develop the bend in the foot and knee. Is this still recommended or will it deform the new foam? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: covering the puck Date: 26 Nov 1996 16:24:27 -0500 I am a little confused about something that sounds pretty basic. I notice that when most goalies in the NHL or otherwise cover the puck, they put their stick in front of their glove to prevent shooters from whacking away at it. I have always tended to stop the puck with my stick, and then place my hand in front as quickly as possible. When I do the paddle down technique as well, I keep the stick so it doesn't go through my legs. Am I doing something wrong or awkward here? What should I be doing? Regards Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: covering the puck Date: 26 Nov 1996 14:50:02 -0800 Steve writes: I am a little confused about something that sounds pretty basic. I notice that when most goalies in the NHL or otherwise cover the puck, they put their stick in front of their glove to prevent shooters from whacking away at it. I have always tended to stop the puck with my stick, and then place my hand in front as quickly as possible. When I do the paddle down technique as well, I keep the stick so it doesn't go through my legs. Am I doing something wrong or awkward here? What should I be doing? it varies depending on circumstances. sometimes you want the stick on top of the glove to prevent people from digging it back out (plus you have the extra weight to pin the puck down); other times you do something different. me, i like to back up the glove hand, when possible, with a *pad*, so i can use my stick hand for other things. if the team i'm playing against is trying to run me frequently, the stick hand is generally up in the air with the stick cocked to take out the next idiot who tries to run me (kendo goaltending 101...and i've seen NHL goalies do the same thing when neccessary). alternatively, i have been known to drop my stick and snatch up the puck with my blocker hand, and hold it against my body. hrudy and terreri have both done this on occasion, but it's much rarer. most teams will NOT expect you to do this, and it's very effective. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Olsen Subject: Re: covering the puck Date: 26 Nov 1996 14:59:31 -0800 Steven Sanyal wrote: > > I am a little confused about something that sounds pretty basic. I notice > that when most goalies in the NHL or otherwise cover the puck, they put > their stick in front of their glove to prevent shooters from whacking away > at it. I have always tended to stop the puck with my stick, and then place > my hand in front as quickly as possible. When I do the paddle down > technique as well, I keep the stick so it doesn't go through my legs. > > Am I doing something wrong or awkward here? What should I be doing? > > Regards > > Steve Sounds to me like you are not doing anything wrong, This is just one of the disadvantages of using the paddle down technique. You'll notice that when a goalteder is able to cover his glove hand with his stick like that, he has made the save with something other than his stick. That's it.. EGO -- -------------------------------------------- | Ego@thehouse.sparks.nv.us | | www.directcon.net/olsen | | | | "I find your lack of faith..disturbing."| | -Darth Vader | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Re: covering the puck Date: 26 Nov 1996 12:18:34 -0500 Howdy all. Actually, I find myself doing both....if a puck drops down off my pad, the glove goes on it, and the stick goes in front of it. A puck on the stick stays there, and the glove covers that. The only thing I can recommend is that, if you have it on the stick, hold the stick HARD. Nothing more frustrating that getting one knocked through like that. Matt Malicki ---------- > From: Erik Olsen > To: Hockey-Goalie Mailing List > Subject: Re: covering the puck > Date: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 5:59 PM > > Steven Sanyal wrote: > > > > I am a little confused about something that sounds pretty basic. I notice > > that when most goalies in the NHL or otherwise cover the puck, they put > > their stick in front of their glove to prevent shooters from whacking away > > at it. I have always tended to stop the puck with my stick, and then place > > my hand in front as quickly as possible. When I do the paddle down > > technique as well, I keep the stick so it doesn't go through my legs. > > > > Am I doing something wrong or awkward here? What should I be doing? > > > > Regards > > > > Steve > > > Sounds to me like you are not doing anything wrong, > This is just one of the disadvantages of using the > paddle down technique. > > You'll notice that when a goalteder is able to cover > his glove hand with his stick like that, he has made > the save with something other than his stick. > > That's it.. > > EGO > > -- > > -------------------------------------------- > | Ego@thehouse.sparks.nv.us | > | www.directcon.net/olsen | > | | > | "I find your lack of faith..disturbing."| > | -Darth Vader | > -------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Johnston" Subject: Re: Breaking in new Pads Date: 26 Nov 1996 02:02:52 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBDB3D.EE5ED160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul: I just picked up a pair of new Vaughan pads this year myself. I used all of the old techniques to break them in, I bent & tied them, I beat them with a rubber mallet while wearing them, but still, to this day thebest way to break in new pads is to use them. I fell sorry for the guys in the NHL if they really start to enforce the pad sizing rule. Nothing is more frustrating or time consuming than breaking in new pads. Hope you enjoy your new Vaughns, I love mine.......Randy > Well, I finally received my new pads (Vaughn VPG-3500). After over 20 years > playing with my ratty old leather coopers, it was long overdue. I will post > a review of the pads and my ordering woes, once I've had a chance to break > them in and try them a bit. > > I played with them last night and they felt awfully stiff. This didn't help > my play although I know this is natural the first time out. Can anyone > recommend how to best break in one of these "new generation" pads. In the > old days, we would compress the pads down from the top into an S and stick > them under the edge of a table to keep the S. This would develop the bend in > the foot and knee. Is this still recommended or will it deform the new foam? > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated! ------=_NextPart_000_01BBDB3D.EE5ED160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Paul:

I just picked up = a pair of new Vaughan pads this year myself.  I used all of the old = techniques to break them in, I bent & tied them, I beat them with a = rubber mallet while wearing them, but still, to this day thebest way to = break in new pads is to use them.
I fell sorry for the guys in = the NHL if they really start to enforce the pad sizing rule. Nothing is = more frustrating or time consuming than breaking in new pads. =

Hope you enjoy your new Vaughns, I love = mine.......Randy

> Well, I finally received my new pads = (Vaughn VPG-3500).  After over 20 years
> playing with my = ratty old leather coopers, it was long overdue.  I will = post
> a review of the pads and my ordering woes,  once I've = had a chance to break
> them in and try them a bit.
> =
> I played with them last night and they felt awfully stiff. =  This didn't help
> my play although I know this is natural = the first time out.  Can anyone
> recommend how to best break = in one of these "new generation" pads.  In the
> = old days, we would compress the pads down from the top into an S and = stick
> them under the edge of a table to keep the S.  This = would develop the bend in
> the foot and knee.  Is this still = recommended or will it deform the new foam?
>
> Any advice = would be greatly appreciated!

------=_NextPart_000_01BBDB3D.EE5ED160-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: Reaction speed and Breakaways Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:29:25 +0000 David Hurst wrote: > even basic wrist shots are a challenge. For example, for a typical high > standard goalie - an average wrist shot to the glove side is nearly always > in that pocket, but I find it rebounds of the palm of my catcher. I look at > NHL goalies and see amazing glove saves, I know the majority of close range As a fellow Brit, and therefore more used to catching with the hand than the pocket of the glove, keep practising.... To explain... we don't play baseball, and I was brought up on cricket and soccer both of which see me catch with my hand, to get the glove in the pocket you have to miss it slightly with the hand... As Scott says, watch the puck all the way in Malcolm -- Malcolm (summer '96 - 7-2-0 sav%88.85 GAA 4.23) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results/Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: upper body Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:34:51 +0000 Matt Malicki wrote: > Steve Langevin wrote: > > > > Anyone have a monkey suit they really like? Anyone have Scott's? Tell me > > about > > it...I'm in the market for a new one... > I consider myself a proud owner of one of Scott's chest protectors. > They're extremely well made, light, and once you break them in a little, > very easy to move in. I have yet to find another pad which compares > with either the price or quality of Scotts. Agreed, it feels huge, but I can move well in it, and the size helps me look bigger (only 5'4"). Really well made, and I can't recommend it higher... Malcolm PS Scott, I'll mail you seperately when I'm sorted about the pads.... -- Malcolm (summer '96 - 7-2-0 sav%88.85 GAA 4.23) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results/Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: McKichan vs T.Twist and the St.Louis Blues Date: 27 Nov 1996 14:15:43 +0000 Scott Battram wrote: > > Any of you guys and girls have any comments on former goaltender Steve > McKichan's civial court case vs. Twist and the Blues? > I am not familiar with the US legal system... but I think we have an > aspiring lawyer in John Ordonez here on the mail list... maybe someone can > help! Also, if anyone has a news highlet where the video tape was shown I > would love a copy...since Steve couldnt show it to anyone, I never had the > chance to see it... but I guess it was shown on St. Louis TV last week after > the judgement was awarded... Scott, we were in St Louis when the award was made - I saw the TV clip. I'm not an expert, but from what I saw it didn't look that bad (it was a hit from behind, but Twist appeared to be coasting when he hit him). As far as I could tell the award was because it stopped him playing NHL, the St Louis papers reckoned he was never at that level, and only with a clever lawyer and a jury who didn't understand the game would such an award be made... I'm not condoning the hit in anyway, but it was more bad luck than an attempt to injure from what I saw. Malcolm -- Malcolm (summer '96 - 7-2-0 sav%88.85 GAA 4.23) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results/Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: Re: Breaking in new Pads Date: 27 Nov 1996 16:58:53 +0000 (WAT) I'm kinda curious.. Why was there HTML code in your messages? I know for myself, all it did was make the message barely readable. You may want to double check the editor you're using with your mail program. Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Breaking in new Pads Date: 28 Nov 1996 20:36:39 -0500 hey anyone looking for a pair of barely used 3500's? mine are just a little on the small side for me. any questions e-mail me at JMdog@aol.com thanx zac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Jackson Subject: Short Goalies Date: 29 Nov 1996 16:52:58 -0500 I thought I would mention that I found a stick that works well for a short goalie (myself). It's a Koho Revolution - Jeff Reese model. I am not a big fan of curved sticks, but that might have come from using a stick that was too tall (paddle) and curved. The Reese model has a very small paddle, and is light weight. I'm 5'4" and this stick seems as if it were made for me. If your looking for them, I ordered from Simmons. Mike "Thriller" Jackson Some days they are like beach balls, some days they are like Bbs - Give me beach balls! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: REDDOG27@aol.com Subject: Re: Short Goalies Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:04:07 -0500 What is considered short? I'm 5'7" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Short Goalies Date: 30 Nov 1996 01:54:37 -0500 short is when they won't let you on the amusement park rides! hey boys don't ever let your height bother you! if any of you think your size is holding you back the first step is to pull yer head out of your arse and think about andy moog. your size doesn't really matter that much ( it does help though ) as long as your a strong skater so you can move back and forth to help play angles. it always seem that what small guys lack in size they make up for in speed. no offense to any of you larger goalies out there but face it if you are fat and out of shape maybe armchair quarterback is better suited for you. remember boys as long as they let you on the park rides you got a shot-- go for it and don''t ever quit on a team that seems like they have given up on you zac " my girlfriend says that if i don't stop playing hockey and spending more time with her that she was going to leave me...........i'm going to miss her" don't be a bunch of numpties boys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Short Goalies Date: 30 Nov 1996 01:55:36 -0500 that is kind of a personal question don't you think?