From: Ed Cubberly Subject: Jim Carey- Boston Bruins Date: 01 Mar 1997 22:06:58 -0500 (EST) Hey, Does anybody have any new and creative ideas for Jim Carey's impending Bruins mask? I'm always open for suggestions. Thanks, Ed Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schenkr@aol.com Subject: Re: Jim Carey- Boston Bruins Date: 02 Mar 1997 00:27:07 -0500 (EST) Hi Ed, My name is Chris and i play in Tacoma, Wa. I'm sorry i don't have any ideas for Jim's mask but that is just my problem. I need some ideas for my own mask. I have an Eddy that i had painted once in the colors of my team. That worked until i started playing full time for a couple of teams. Now i need it painted in a generic form with a few colors on it. Any suggestions? Do you have pictures of other masks you have done? Also what are your rates. I might be interested in having it painted. Please send me some ideas and info. Thanks a lot, Chris Schenk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: REDDOG27@aol.com Subject: Re: Floating an Idea Date: 02 Mar 1997 22:09:35 -0500 (EST) About 5 years ago I was set to to double hernia surgery. It wasn't critical at this stage, but I did what I could to avoid lifting heavy items (yeah my hockey bag). I cut a piece of thin plywood the size of the bag bottom. I slipped it in and put in wheels in the corners. Really saved me from lugging around that heavy bag. I got some looks from some, but everyone thought it was kinda neat. Tip - use good large wheels. I switched to larger ones. Since I've fully recovered and am back to normal, I've bought a new bag but I still have the "roller bag" just in case. Red ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Re: Jim Carey- Boston Bruins Date: 02 Mar 1997 22:57:41 -0600 (CST) In a previous message, Ed Cubberly wrote: > > Hey, > > Does anybody have any new and creative ideas for Jim Carey's impending > Bruins mask? I'm always open for suggestions. How about going with a "Care Bear" theme, since now that he's a Bruin, he could be referred to as a Carey Bear. See how that goes over with him... -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ewoods1@minet.gov.mb.ca (Shawn Woods) Subject: Re: Jim Carey- Boston Bruins Date: 03 Mar 1997 00:44:02 -0600 (CST) You could go back to the Gary Cheevers "stitches", but I don't really know whether Carrey would go for that. Shawn Woods #33 Stonewall Rams, Winnipeg High School Hockey League >Hey, > >Does anybody have any new and creative ideas for Jim Carey's impending >Bruins mask? I'm always open for suggestions. > >Thanks, >Ed Cubberly >Cubberly Masks, Inc > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Kelsey - Marathon Oil Company" Subject: More New Battram Equipment Date: 03 Mar 1997 09:40:53 -5 I got my new upper body protector and blocker this past Friday. I had a chance to use them at an open hockey that even, then again on Saturday in a regular game, and in two tournament games on Sunday. My initial reaction to both pieces of gear has been good. The blocker has a lot of hand protection - on both the fingers and the thumb. The palm is padded just a bit. Between the padding and the finger protectors, I am going to have to put a bigger knob on my stick so I can pick it up off the ice. The upper body protector gives me much more protection that my old Cooper, espially around the elbows and the collar bone. The other thing I have noticed is that I used to have sometimes have trouble closing the hole between my arm and body. The new unit has closed those holes. It is a bit stiffer than the old one, but that was to be expected. The only problem that has caused so far is that it is hard to get at the snaps on my helmet. Bill Kelsey kelsey@hou.moc.com Marathon Oil Company 419-421-4177 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Re: New Bruins Helmet Date: 03 Mar 1997 02:18:27 -0500 Howdy: How about this....on both sides of the mask, you have a goal full of beach balls, with Carey standing in front, in honor of his playoff record. :) Or a golf course, in honor of where he was during the last playoff season, past the first round. :) Seriously, though, Boston is a very storied, very honored club, and I think simple may be best. How about just the B on the front? Matt Malicki -------------------- malickim@tir.com "Falling in love is so hard on the knees." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Former NHL goalie to wear BATTRAM Date: 03 Mar 1997 21:55:23 -0500 Former NHL and IHL (Vancouver Canucks, Milwaukee Admirals) goalie Steve McKichan, who is now returning to play after a 6 year layoff due to a career ending injury will be using and endorsing BATTRAM goal equipment in his return to hockey (of course not at the professional level). Steve also has been working as a goal tending consultant with the Detroit VIPERS of the IHL, and we will be meeting with their goaltenders in the future to show them our wears... Just some information I thought I would pass along, now we have a former NHL goalie using our gear... this is a statement to our quality for sure. Steve also runs FUTURE PRO goalie schools and clinics based in Lucan Ontario... the school is full for this summer 280 people are enrolled over a 4 week dual session period. If anyone would like information on his clinics, videos, and camps please contact me. He does clinics in the Southwestern Ontario and Michigan area. Thanks! P.S. Our 10% off sale is on till the end of the month!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: Ed Cubberly story Date: 03 Mar 1997 22:20:02 -0500 To all Goalies, NICE write up in the America Hockey mag. about Ed Cubberly and his mask business! Take Care, Gregg gjohnson@portup.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SMILE2368@aol.com Subject: Re: New Bruins Helmet Date: 04 Mar 1997 22:13:00 -0500 (EST) Ed Cubberly, that name is familiar. I read an article about him in the recent american hocket magazine. Check it out. it's pretty interesting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ewoods1@minet.gov.mb.ca (Shawn Woods) Subject: Re: Jim Carey- Boston Bruins Date: 05 Mar 1997 00:35:30 -0600 (CST) Ed, I was laying in bed just now, and quickly got up with an idea for Carrey's mask, that is if you haven't thought of one already. Here it is: Have a bear (either realistic or cartoony) birting out through a brick wall. The head would be on the top, near the front of the mask, and its paws would be on the sides punching two separate holes in the wall, holding a Boston hockey puck in each paw. That would take most of the room. Along the sides of the mask under the paws, it would be a brick texture (like his other masks), with claw marks down the side, and little bear paws on the wall. The bottom could have his number or whatever you can think of. This idea is kind of like Olaf Kolzig's mask in Washington. I am not sure if he still uses the mask, but it was godzilla or something breaking through a wall instead. I thought it was a cool idea, so I thought I'd pass it on to you. Shawn Woods ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: RE:new skates WAS body Gear Date: 12 Mar 1997 08:13:14, -0500 > --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- If you get them mail order, sometimes yes it is. It is important to inquire with the supplier. I still think it would be polite for manufacturers to put a notice in with the skates, in case you get ice dummies like us who don't know any better! bobbie, goaliemom in northtexas, where there isn't much ice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Kelsey - Marathon Oil Company" Subject: Subscribe/unsubscribe help Date: 12 Mar 1997 10:54:20 -5 My company is in the process of changing all our e-mail addresses, so I need to re-subscribe to the list with a new email address. I thought the list was taken care of by majordomo@xmission.com, but it does not seem to know about the list. Can anyone tell me where I need to go to subscribe/unsubscribe?? thanks! Bill Bill Kelsey kelsey@hou.moc.com Marathon Oil Company 419-421-4177 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: RE:new skates WAS body Gear Date: 12 Mar 1997 08:12:39 -0800 (PST) >> --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- >If you get them mail order, sometimes yes it is. It is >important to inquire with the supplier. > > >I still think it would be polite for manufacturers to put a notice in with >the skates, in case you get ice dummies like us who don't know any better! > >bobbie, goaliemom in northtexas, where there isn't much ice As a rule of thumb I would advise everyone sharpen all ice skates when bought. The only difference between mail order and most stores is that most stores sharpen them on the spot after you buy them. Larry Smith, Jr. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Hurst Subject: ITECH 950 Mask Date: 13 Mar 1997 00:11:18 +0000 Hi, I'm currently looking for a mask for street hockey use so it dosen't have to be that strong and I thought the low end ITECH (950) was a good choice as I don't have loads of money, you can also get this in a number of paint designs. The only thing is, I have a catalog that says it is heavy 4 1/4 lbs, but the ITECH specs say it is lightweight. Is it really heavy, and is it a problem to play with? Can an extra pound can make much difference? What the mask like in general for toughness, being moulded plastic? Thanks, .________________________________________________________________________. | Dave Hurst [#66 Bullets Skater Hockey Goalie] | |________________________________________________________________________| | ** http://www.bb17.demon.co.uk/bullets/index.htm ** | .------------------------------------------------------------------------. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SMILE2368@aol.com Subject: Pads????? Date: 12 Mar 1997 20:16:42 -0500 (EST) Help!! i just got new brain's pads and am ready for the spring season but I have a problem. You see my old pads were less than 10" thick and now these new Alites are just over 12" and am having trouble making the adjustmen. I am also having a problem with the tappered toe, YOu see it sticks out pretty far on the inside of my pad and it is rubbing against the ice a lot, especially when i am in my stance, and i am having trouble skating, Just one more question, what is the fastest and easiest was to break in a brians' alite pad?? If you have any solutions to these problems i'd REALLY appreciate hear from you. Thanx EDG#33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SMILE2368@aol.com Subject: Fingers OUCH Date: 12 Mar 1997 20:17:07 -0500 (EST) Whenever i go down to make a paddle save i always end up jamming one of my fingers into the ice. Does anyone have a solution?? EDG#33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Pads????? Date: 12 Mar 1997 21:16:55 -0500 At 08:16 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Help!! i just got new brain's pads and am ready for the spring season but I >have a problem. You see my old pads were less than 10" thick and now these >new Alites are just over 12" and am having trouble making the adjustmen. I am >also having a problem with the tappered toe, YOu see it sticks out pretty far >on the inside of my pad and it is rubbing against the ice a lot, especially >when i am in my stance, and i am having trouble skating, Just one more >question, what is the fastest and easiest was to break in a brians' alite >pad?? If you have any solutions to these problems i'd REALLY appreciate hear >from you. Thanx >EDG#33 > > > When we discussed your goal pad needs, didnt I suggest an intermediate width pad??? Rather than the 12" pads you were set on... this is one of the main reasons to listen to knowledgable people such as myself, rather than store clerks who are not as familiar with the equipment as the could be, and just want to make some extra money by selling the Senior pad. The toes on the Brians are square on the inside and not tapered as much as other pads, and if the pads are too wide for the goaltender, you will notice this rubbing on the insides... consequently, this area is prone to much wear on the Brians pad... but at the same time, also covers a little more area of the net... another trade off... I know that parents want to try and avoid getting pads for their kids every few years, but when a parent comes in to my shop and wants to put their 13 year old in Senior pads, so they do not have to get new pads in 2 years.... I always stress how they are actually hurting the development of the young goalie. Although an extra 1.5" per pad doesnt sound like much, remember its an extra 3" overall, or in your cas going from 10 - 12 an extra 4". I really do think you were suited for an Intermediate pad... but of course the choice is yours... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: body gear Date: 13 Mar 1997 04:20:12 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-03-11 20:06:32 EST, BOBBIE STANFILL wrote: > I'll echo what Kevin said about Vaughn, the kid got a new VP3500 last > Thanksgiving & the confidence of being fully protected improved his game. > He plays against both beginning squirts and mid-level > bantams, up thru an adult league. Don't get anything with lots of velcro > that has to be reset every time you put it on. I can't recommend DR brand, > which although lightweight and perfect for mid-level play, the velcros had > to supplemented with duct tape & the smell was so bad after 6 months that > he won games simply because no one wanted near him bad enough to score. > (Sorry Scott, didn't know about Battrams at the time of purchase!) > > bobbie, goaliemom > I have a DR model 8035 upper body pad...I don't think I'd recommmend it for any goalie who wants to get 3-4 years out of a pad, but it was a pretty good pad to start with; it was only $120 US. Some of the velcros are going bad now, (although not quite to the point of using duct tape...) particularly the one that attaches the top side of the arm pad to the top of the shoulder harness (behind the shoulder floater). Any, yes, it smells pretty bad...I've had the pad since Christmas '95. After 14 1/2 months of use I'm finally ready to retire the darn thing. I ordered a Battram upper body & I can't wait till it gets here. -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.33 Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog "If I had to stop it with my mouth I would do it." - Martin Brodeur "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: Re: Fingers OUCH Date: 13 Mar 1997 11:16:12 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 SMILE2368@aol.com wrote: > Whenever i go down to make a paddle save i always end up jamming one of my > fingers into the ice. Does anyone have a solution?? If you hold your stick with a trigger grip, mark where your finger rests on the top of the paddle and cut out a notch large enough for your finger to be protected from the paddle smashing it into the ice. When I drop the paddle to the ice (rarely), I just move my index finger up so I am no longer using a trigger grip. You could also change to the Christian "curtis curve" stick (if it's still being made). Don't know what else to suggest... You could always try to limit the use of the paddle down style. HotBranch! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Paul Branchaud "Men, do you fear that, one day, your paul@vedge.com wife will run her hands through your Technical Writer hair... and you won't be there?!" Visual Edge Software, Ltd. -- Richard Jeni (on hair loss) --My opinions are rarely shared by Visual Edge and other smart folks-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Fingers OUCH Date: 13 Mar 1997 10:06:31 -0800 >> Whenever i go down to make a paddle save i always end up jamming one of my >> fingers into the ice. Does anyone have a solution?? > >If you hold your stick with a trigger grip, mark where your finger rests >on the top of the paddle and cut out a notch large enough for your finger >to be protected from the paddle smashing it into the ice. When I drop the >paddle to the ice (rarely), I just move my index finger up so I am no >longer using a trigger grip. You could also change to the Christian >"curtis curve" stick (if it's still being made). Don't know what else to >suggest... You could always try to limit the use of the paddle down style. I guess I've been doing it so long that it's just natural for me to move the finger out of the way (after a few early smashes). *shrug* I just never thought of cutting a notch out of my stick. Just keep practicing and soon it will be second nature. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: New Battram Gloves and ONLINE CATALOG on WEB PAGE Date: 13 Mar 1997 19:56:17 -0500 At 06:11 PM 3/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All, >Well today was the day. I came back from orgo chem lab, got myself a soda, >and on my way back I saw it. That little yellow package slip in my [campus] >mailbox. My new gloves had arrived. After some distress opening my mailbox, >I took my slip said "GIMMIE!" to the kid in the mailroom and RAN back to my >suite with package in hand. Once there I opened the box. >The two most beautiful black and green goal gloves resided within. I must >tip my hat to scott. The hardwork and craftsmanship brought a tear to this >young goaltender's eye. >I've been playing non-stop with the gloves for 3 hours now (as funny as it >sounds, I drove home wearing my blocker! I got quite a few weird looks...;) >)And my catcher feeling like it is a month old. I can't wait to show my >goaltender friends! (Scott, you may be getting some more orders!) >I also can't wait to use them (12:15pm tonight!!). I will probably write >more after a few games with them. >This has been quite the week! On Monday, my parents gave me a new (used) >set of pads for my birthday! Now I'm all decked out!! > Rick "Tigger" > #30 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >"T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll > come bouncing by." > > "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound" > "The goaltender is the quarterback of a hockey team." John Vanbiesbrouck > >Rick Johnson "See the Puck, >L/L Box 249 Stop the Puck, >University of Vermont Simple." >Burlington, VT 05405 - Hockey-Goalie list member >(802) 656-6187 > >"You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!" > -Hockey-Goalie list member > >Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html <-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > Hi Rick, Glad the gloves made it to you A - O - K !! But driving with the blocker.... not a good idea!!! But a damn good way to advertise for me! hahah.... Just dont let any of those highway patrolmen down there see ya driving with your Battrams on! On a side note, and much thanks to Dennis Chapman, I know have our catalog in a downloadable PDF file... for anyone who is interested, you can download a copy of our CATALOG in either a ZIPPED .DOC for WORD 97 file, or the ever popular PDF file. Just go to "REQUEST A CATALOG" on our WEB SITE, and click on the file you want... if you allready have ADOBE ACROBAT Reader installed, it should load right up in your web browser (at least it did for me... kinda cool!) from there, you can print it... it looks good on our Laser Printer... I would be interested to know what it looks like printed on a colour printer!! Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Fielding" Subject: Re: New Battram Gloves Date: 13 Mar 1997 21:19:40 -0500 >I drove home wearing my blocker! I got quite a few weird looks...;) You seem surprised by this. NY State is about to pass legislation that will make it illegal to drive while using a cellular phone. I guess they will need to amend this to include driving while wearing goalie equipment. Coming Out: ----------- The other night I had a rather large player screening me right in front of the crease near the red line, with the shooter high in the slot (and wide open). Is it appropriate to make a quick move around the player next to the crease and position myself for the shot from the slot? (ie., my normal position had the opposing player not been there). So I would be facing the shooter, with an opposing player between me and the goal. If I gain backward momentum and run into this player is this considered interference by the opposing player? Assuming he stays behind me. As long as I make the stop and catch or deflect the puck away from the player behind me it seems like this would be a good idea. I did not actually try this, though the thought crossed my mind. Comments? Thanks, David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: New Battram Gloves Date: 13 Mar 1997 19:36:35 -0700 (MST) Reply to David L. Fielding: > > If I gain backward momentum and run into this player is > this considered interference by the opposing player? Assuming he > stays behind me. Not if he's outside the crease, I think (HotBranch...enlighten us). But why not just come out and hit him from behind? That's what I do. Or trip over him. That'll get the refs attention. (-; Can I buy a vowel? Ok, new topic. I tore my MCL last Thursday, and was hoping for some words of wisdom. I went to the doctor and got a brace, and I have PT startng up next week, but basically I want this to heal and strengthen as quick as possible, of course. And I want to ease back into playing to that I don't reinjure it. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: ITECH 950 Mask Date: 14 Mar 1997 04:21:14 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-03-12 23:58:19 EST, Dave Hurst writes: ========== > Hi, > I'm currently looking for a mask for street hockey use so it dosen't > have to be that strong and I thought the low end ITECH (950) was a good > choice as I don't have loads of money, you can also get this in a number > of paint designs. The only thing is, I have a catalog that says it is > heavy 4 1/4 lbs, but the ITECH specs say it is lightweight. Is it really > heavy, and is it a problem to play with? Can an extra pound can make > much difference? > What the mask like in general for toughness, being moulded plastic? > > Thanks, > | Dave Hurst [#66 Bullets Skater Hockey Goalie] | ========== I have an ITECH Profile 950 mask. I've never noticed the extra weight, even when I first got it. I switched to the Itech from a lightweight roller-hockey mask. (And, so all of you don't gasp, I was playing roller hockey at the time...I didn't play with an underrated mask or anything.) I've never put the Itech on a scale or anything (although, now that I think of it...) And, we have the results. The ITECH Profile 950 weighs... <> 3 lbs. 4 oz. I don't know who said 4.25 lbs., but they were just *slightly* off. As for toughness, I haven't had a problem yet, and I've been beaned a few times. Just so you know, I have the HECC certified grid-style cage. I've seen the Itech 950 with a cat's eye and I wouldn't recommend it just because the cage isn' t very strong (at least not as strong as the HECC grid-cage). I haven't experienced any vision problems since switching from the old roller hockey mask with cat's eye...Since the two different cage models are the same price, why not get the one that is proven to protect better? Only problem I ever had with the ITECH: When I first got it, I didn't know the screws on the cage weren't completely tightened. After my first game with the new mask I checked the screw and they were kinda loose. As it turns out, since Itech mass-produces so many masks, they don't competely tighten the screws. Just tighten 'em all down (snap screws too) when you get the mask. Hope I could help... -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.33 Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog "If I had to stop it with my mouth I would do it." - Martin Brodeur "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman --------------------- Forwarded message: Resent-from: hockey-goalie@xmission.com Hi, I'm currently looking for a mask for street hockey use so it dosen't have to be that strong and I thought the low end ITECH (950) was a good choice as I don't have loads of money, you can also get this in a number of paint designs. The only thing is, I have a catalog that says it is heavy 4 1/4 lbs, but the ITECH specs say it is lightweight. Is it really heavy, and is it a problem to play with? Can an extra pound can make much difference? What the mask like in general for toughness, being moulded plastic? Thanks, .________________________________________________________________________. | Dave Hurst [#66 Bullets Skater Hockey Goalie] | |________________________________________________________________________| | ** http://www.bb17.demon.co.uk/bullets/index.htm ** | .------------------------------------------------------------------------. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Goalie Sticks Date: 14 Mar 1997 07:44:54 -0500 At 12:06 AM 3/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for goalie sticks with a 12-13 degree lie. Do any of your >sticks have this lie angle? If not can you get different angles if I special >order?? Most are arround 15 degrees which is to upright for my style. > Please either E-Mail a reply or call me at the following numbers. > >408-259-8878 (home) >408-395-1332 (office) >RichA64@aol.com > > Hi Rich... I use Louisville sticks, and generally they are available in 13 - 14 - 15 lies... you may have to get them ordered though if the stores dont stock them. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Darrin Subject: Custom Made Goal Sticks Date: 14 Mar 1997 08:58:35 -0500 So......... why do you need a custom made stick? There are many reasons. First of all, the price. I've seen stock, off the shelf goal sticks from companies like Heaton, Montreal, Louisville and Titan that are close to $50. Not that these are bad sticks, but they are not tailored to YOU. They are usually knock-offs of popular NHL goalies' stick patterns. The problem is, these sticks are designed for the NHL goalie, not for you. Michael Jordan's sneakers are FIT for him - you wouldn't want the "sneaker that Jordan wears" because it is likely to be the wrong size. John Daly hits a golf ball a long way, but his clubs aren't necessarily going to let you hit 330 yard drives. Hockey sticks are no different. NHL goalies have very specific needs from their equipment, especially their sticks. Some goalies handle the puck well (Hextall, Vanbiesbrouck), some don't (Mike Richter, Ed Belfour - even though he thinks he can!!), some goalies like sticks with as much surface area as the rules will allow. Some NHL goalies even like more than the rules allow (Pete Peeters was caught using sticks with a paddle height that was 2" to high. He had to finish the game with Don Beuapre's stick which was totally different than Pete's!!). The point is, you have certain needs in a stick that may not match those of Patrick Roy and Felix Potvin. If stick companies catered to what most goalies really NEEDED, you likely would see more mundane names on the sticks; however, that doesn't sell merchandise. Arturs Irbe's pattern was produced by Louisville (if I remember correctly) while he was still in San Jose and playing well. I almost fell over when I saw our team's backup goalie come into practice with this stick one afternoon. It was about a lie 10 with a curve that looked more like a sand wedge than a hockey stick. The blade was barely wider than a forward's stick!! The stick was retired after about 10 minutes in practice. I will work with you to come up with a pattern that will suit your game, come up with specifications of your choice, help you play better and come painted in the colors you want. All of this for about the same price as an off the shelf stick. One of the big advantages is that your sticks will be consistent (Sher-Wood uses the highest grade wood in their custom sticks). You will also never have to worry about finding you stick because you can just order more (just like Doritos) when you need them. You can also fine tune you stick from order to order. You can adjust lie, curve, color (if you get traded), shaft, paddle height, ANYTHING you want to change. Eventually, you will get the perfect stick for your game. The best way to start the process is to find a stick you really like. Make notes of any changes that you think will help you game. I've fitted over 100 goalies (including myself) for custom sticks over the past 10 years, so I know I can help you. Important thinks to consider: Lie Lie is not necessarily determined by your height. I've seen tall goalies use lie 12 sticks, and I've seen very short goalies with lie 15 sticks. It depends upon your set-up. The best way to determine if your lie is correct is to take a new stick and tape it with black friction tape from the toe all the way to the heel. Play in a GAME, and take a look at the wear on the bottom of your blade. If the heel is worn, you need a lower lie. If the tow is worn, you need a higher lie. If wear is in the middle or fairly even across the bottom of the blade, then you lie is perfect. One more factor in lie is paddle height, but more on that in a minute. Your lie is extremely important so you can be sure that the blade of the stick sits flat on the ice. It is much easier for a puck to sneak by you if your lie is incorrect. Lies come in 13 (low), 14, and 15 (high) in most stock sticks. I will fit you for any lie you need even if it higher, lower, or in between the standard lies offered by most companies. Remember, a pro pattern stick is usually available in only one lie. Paddle Height Most pros, college players, adults and high school players will want the highest paddle allowable by the rules (26" from heel of blade to top of paddle). The higher paddle high gives the goalie more blocking surface. It is also designed to fit the needs of most goalies; however, some shorter goalies may be better off with a slightly lower paddle height. Many of the younger goalies in my clinics have paddles that are too short. This generally results is the blade of the stick sitting with the heel in the air and the toe one the ice. Be sure to consider paddle height if you are a younger or shorter goalie. You have a proper paddle height if you are in your proper goalie stance, your blocker is positioned away from the body and the stick blade is flat on the ice. Blade Height & Length Most goalies get their blades as wide and as long as the rules will allow (3 1/2" or 4 1/2" wide at the heel & 15 1/2" from tip of blade to the heel). However, some goalies prefer a slightly narrower blade. I used a blade that was about 3 1/4" high because it was much easier to get good feel on the puck (I was a goalie that liked to move the puck to my forwards as often as I could). We can alter your sticks to adjust any of the above dimensions, but I recommend that most goalies take full advantage of the rules and set their sticks up to the maximum measurements allowed by USAHockey, High School Federation, or whatever rules your team plays under. Toe and Heel Both toe and heel are often overlooked when selecting a stick. The toes on most sticks are quite square to provide maximum blocking area; however, square toes provide some drawbacks. The first is that they break easier. The square toes tend to chip, water gets into the blade, and the blade delaminates or just falls apart. Second, a square toe provides less feel on the puck when controlling rebounds and handling the puck. I recommend a slightly rounded toe for most goalies and a very rounded toe for those who like to handle the puck. The heel is extremely important for handling the puck. A rounded heel provides less blocking area but allows more blades to sit on the ice when shooting the puck off the glass or passing the puck to your teammates. Your velocity and puck control greatly improve when you have more blade on the ice. The blade of a puckhandling goalie is generally rocked on the bottom. This means that the entire length of the blade does not sit on the ice when you are standing in the goalie position. This is the trade-off you must make if you want mor effective puck handling ability. If you are a stay-at-home type goalie, I recommend a standard square heel with a blade that sits nearly flat on the ice. Shaft Material & Length. The shaft length is a no-brainer. Get the longest shaft you can (60" from top of shaft to heel) and cut it down if you need to. If you are a younger goalie and still growing, you are sure that your sticks are not going to be too short in six months (ask about our special Junior Program with a 6 stick minimum order). The shaft composition is another matter. You can get a solid, one-piece shaft or a laminated shaft. Laminated shafts are stiffer. I found that I was able to get more "zip" on my passes with the stiffer shaft. The one-piece shaft is generally a bit lighter. Both seemed to last about as long. Blade Thickness & Graphite. A thinner blade means a lighter stick with better feel. It also means your stick are going to break more quickly. I chose to sacrifice durability for playability and opted for a thinner blade. If you don't mind a bit of extra weight and loss in feel, we can get you a thicker blade. Graphite strands in the blade do make the blade stiffer. It doesn't cost any extra, adds negligible weight to the stick, and cannot hurt. I recommend graphite in your blades, if you like a stiff blade. Rebound control is a bit easier without the graphite becuase the blade will bend slightly as the puck impacts. This gives a "softer" rebound if you lose control rather than a hot rebound that shoots right back into the crease. Color Hey. Why not. Everything else is custom, so why not the color scheme? You will get a base color for the stick itself plus a color for graphics. We can come up with just about any color (including natural wood with colored graphics). By the way, you also get your name stamped on the shaft of the stick, just like the pros. Ordering your stick If it is your first order, it is best to send me a stick you like with the modifications you'd like to make (I'll return your stick). We'll set up the stick with your specs and get the order going. It's that simple. If it is a repeat order, Sher-Wood generally keeps all special order sticks on file; however, I always like to send them a used stick so they can copy or make changes from something they can see and feel. We offer 2 sticks: The standard special order Sher-Wood is $39.95 per stick (1 Dozen minimum) + Shipping. Junior Sher-Wood custom order is $36.95 per stick (6 sticks minimum) + Shipping. Iron Carbon sticks are also available at an extra cost of $5.00 per stick. Lead time is generally 4 to 5 weeks plus a couple days shipping. Unfortunately, stick are not warranted against breakage. I don't have a problem with Sher-Wood and this policy. I've never had a stick come back (and we're talking thousands of sticks) broken because of a manufacturing defect. Remember, hockey sticks are made of trees, and trees break. If you are playing a high level of high school, prep school or midget/junior hockey, it is not uncommon to go through 6 or 7 dozen goal sticks in one season. Take care of your sticks, and they will last much longer. Store them in a cool, dry place. Allow them to dry in your home (not next to the fireplace or woodstove - they dry out too quickly) after playing. That's pretty much it. Sticks must be prepaid with cash, check or money order to: The Goalie Academy Darrin Lucas - Director 16 Morris Street Danbury, CT 06810 (203) 743-7577 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Custom Made Goal Sticks Date: 14 Mar 1997 09:24:53 -0500 > We offer 2 sticks: > > The standard special order Sher-Wood is $39.95 per stick (1 Dozen >minimum) + Shipping. > > Junior Sher-Wood custom order is $36.95 per stick (6 sticks minimum) + >Shipping. > > Iron Carbon sticks are also available at an extra cost of $5.00 per >stick. > > > Lead time is generally 4 to 5 weeks plus a couple days shipping. > > > Unfortunately, stick are not warranted against breakage. I don't have >a problem with Sher-Wood and this policy. I've never had a stick come >back (and we're talking thousands of sticks) broken because of a >manufacturing defect. Remember, hockey sticks are made of trees, and >trees break. If you are playing a high level of high school, prep >school or midget/junior hockey, it is not uncommon to go through 6 or 7 >dozen goal sticks in one season. Take care of your sticks, and they >will last much longer. Store them in a cool, dry place. Allow them to >dry in your home (not next to the fireplace or woodstove - they dry out >too quickly) after playing. > 6 or 7 Dozen... at 36 bucks a shot .... gosh thats over $3,000 a year... I can see an pro goalie using this number or higher, considering the fact that they can grab a new one at any time... but I think you meant to say 6 or 7 sticks per year! (At least I hope so) Cause when I played Jnr I would go through only 2 dozen... or about 4 new sticks per month probably a little more... and I didnt have to buy them either...Just had beat up ones for practice... new ones for games... considering thats where all the wear and tear happens in practise. I should be making sticks ;) Wont all the stick companies do custom patterns provided you work within their minimum orders??? Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: New Battram Gloves Date: 14 Mar 1997 10:08:58 -0500 Dave, I have been subbing for a guy, about your age, who is now out of hockey due to an mcl injury. Obviously there are degrees of injury, BUTdon't rush back and be sure you get advice from a PT that has a sports injury specialty - even better go to a sports medicine Dr. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: Dealing with BIG screens Date: 14 Mar 1997 11:07:25 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, David L. Fielding wrote: > The other night I had a rather large player screening me > right in front of the crease near the red line, with the shooter > high in the slot (and wide open). Isn't it always like this? Where's your defence when you need them? ;) > Is it appropriate to make a quick move around the player > next to the crease and position myself for the shot from the > slot? (ie., my normal position had the opposing player not been > there). So I would be facing the shooter, with an opposing > player between me and the goal. Theoretically, this would be your best solution. However, theory rarely works in real life situations. If you venture out of your crease to move in front of someone, they can (depending on the ref) obstruct you slightly, which would slow you down in getting set for the shot. Even if you aren't obstructed, you are getting out of your set position (centered in the net relative to the puck) and when you skate around someone, you can't be 100% certain that you are centered in your net. Then there's the more obvious fact that if you leave your set position, the wide-open shooter suddenly has a lot of open net to shoot at, even if it's for one second. > If I gain backward momentum and run into this player is > this considered interference by the opposing player? Assuming he > stays behind me. No, because you are initiating the contact. And what if he bumps you behind the knees and gets you off balance? You fall to the ice and the player probably won't get called because YOU backed into him; end result: an open net for the shooter. Our humble list owner, Dave Steinhart, opined: > Not if he's outside the crease, I think (HotBranch...enlighten us). But > why not just come out and hit him from behind? That's what I do. Or trip > over him. That'll get the refs attention. (-; Dave is right, if the player is outside your crease, simple contact won't be judged as goalie interference. Most refs use their judgement (if they have any ;) ) when it comes to goalie interference: if you are trying to play the puck and someone runs into you, it's pretty cut and dried. However, once you leave your crease, refs have varying opinions on how "untouchable" you are; usually the puck has to be in your immediate vicinity for a ref to consider calling an interference penalty. Most other times, wandering out of the crease and making contact with an opposing player could be judged as a "leaving the crease" penalty against you. Staying in your crease usually gives you some kind of valid appeal when an opponent makes contact with you. Just make sure that your defence are not the ones who are pushing the player into you. The rules are quite clear: players must do their best to avoid making any contact with the goalie. If your defenceman pushes a player into you (even on a scoring play), the opposing player did not do it intentionally and therefore you have no grounds to ask about goalie interference. That is also why goals are being disalowed when opposing players merely skate through the crease when the goal is being scored (even if it doesn't affect the goalie): leagues are trying to get players to stay out of the crease at all times. By keeping players out of the crease, goalies know where they are "safe" and can go about doing their job of stopping the puck. > As long as I make the stop and catch or deflect the puck > away from the player behind me it seems like this would be a good > idea. I did not actually try this, though the thought crossed my > mind. But since both you and the player are outside the crease, he is allowed to try and deflect the puck. Incidental contact as you are trying to stop the puck might be seem by the ref as within the rules. Play it safe and stay in your crease; let the defencemen move the players out, it's their job anyways. If the behemoth can't be moved, try to look around him or between his legs and react to where the shot is going. You can't be held responsible if you can only part of the shot and it gets deflected on the way in. It's no less of a pisser, but if your D won't do their job, you can't do yours effectively either. Playoff Update: Executive (aka old timers) playoffs went on Monday night. The 5th place expansion CEOs were taking on the established 4th place MBAs. A close game from start to finish went to OT when the MBAs managed to squeeze a shot between my blocker and the near (right) post. Two OT periods later, the game was declared a tie and it must be replayed (it was after midnight and the rink workers have a pretty strong union). My teammates were griping about wanting a shootout; they had enough trouble scoring two in 5 periods, what made them think they would suddenly have more success. That, and the fact that I don't really need a load of bricks in my hockey pants. OT was stressful enough. Senior B playoffs went on Wednesday (game 2 is tonight). For the 4th time in the 5 years I've been in the league, we went up against the Fathers. Another close game, spoiled by two missed assignments and one extremely slow wistle. Final was 3-1, Fathers, but it was much closer than that. Their first goal was coughed up by us at center oce and the shot from the top of the right faceoff circle found the inside of the far post, beyond my outstretched left leg. The second goal was due to a slow wistle: I made the save with a half-butterfly (right leg beneath me, left leg extended) but lost sight of the puck; my defenceman said it was under me, so I reached back and put a closed trapper on the puck (between my legs), an opposing forward strode in and took a couple whacks at the semi-covered puck and the ref allowed the goal, saying I hadn't fully covered it. What the hell did he want? a contorsion act? The final goal was the result of a 2 on 1 where the rebound off the initial save went right on the tape of the trailer who zipped it to my left as I was trying to recover from the save. Just once, I'd like to beat the Fathers in a playoff series... The Battrams have now seen action in 55 regular games and about a dozen pickup games since I got them and they are still performing beautifully. A few minor nicks here and there, but nothing major. Scott builds 'em to last! :) HotBranch! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Paul Branchaud "Men, do you fear that, one day, your paul@vedge.com wife will run her hands through your Technical Writer hair... and you won't be there?!" Visual Edge Software, Ltd. -- Richard Jeni (on hair loss) --My opinions are rarely shared by Visual Edge and other smart folks-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: ElectronicCatalog Date: 09 Mar 1997 21:40:46 -0500 Hi all, I have my WORD97 Catalog completed, all I need now is for someone to convert the word 97 file to a PDF file to be viewed with acrobat... the sooner we can get this up on the web site, the easier it will be for me... Hopefully I wont get 15 requests day for catalogs to be mailed!! and the people will get it right away!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: Dealing with BIG screens Date: 14 Mar 1997 10:35:44 -0800 (PST) >> The other night I had a rather large player screening me >> right in front of the crease near the red line, with the shooter >> high in the slot (and wide open). >> Is it appropriate to make a quick move around the player >> next to the crease and position myself for the shot from the >> slot? (ie., my normal position had the opposing player not been >> there). So I would be facing the shooter, with an opposing >> player between me and the goal. >> If I gain backward momentum and run into this player is >> this considered interference by the opposing player? Assuming he >> stays behind me. >> Not if he's outside the crease, I think (HotBranch...enlighten us). But >> why not just come out and hit him from behind? That's what I do. Or trip >> over him. That'll get the refs attention. (-; >> As long as I make the stop and catch or deflect the puck >> away from the player behind me it seems like this would be a good >> idea. I did not actually try this, though the thought crossed my >> mind. My approach to this situation is to get up right behind the screening player my stickside of him and drop down; I'm left handed, so I go to the left. This does two things for me, I get into a position where I can see the puck and I'm right up against the player so I can stuff any tip attempt by the screening player. The screening player may actually be in the position I should be to properly block the net. But, by getting behind him and not allowing tips I have converted him into a piece of goalie gear. Low shots which might go through his legs I've got covered; high shots hit his body (I get close enough to basically "lock" him; the player then can't get out of the way of high shots). On the other hand, if the screening player is off my line to the shooter I will move out past the screen to get a clear view and angle on the shooter and, at the same time, obstruct his passing lane to the screening player. This leaves a player behind me, but if I'm in position that doesn't matter. Just my two cents worth. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: Used equipment Date: 14 Mar 1997 13:52:12 -0500 Hello all, I'm looking for some used equipment for a friend who was thinking of starting to play goal. He's a very good hockey player now, and wanted to give goalie a more serious try. I offered to let him try my stuff, but he's a left handed blocker/right handed catch, so my stuff isn't going to work. I told him that I'd be going to Philly this week and I'd check Play It Again Sports. Well, this is what I found, prepare to spit coffee/soda at your screen when you see these prices: Item: Conditon: Price: Bauer 4000 goal skates fair/good $175 Micron goal skates clapped out $154 Bauer impact 57 Ok $130 Cooper blocker good $125 Vaughn catch on its last legs $150 Cooper 24" pads (old natural $235 leather pads, very well worn) At this point, I was almost laughing out loud as I picked up each item. Needless to say, this draws sales people to your attention faster than Bill Clinton to a buffet. "Can I help you sir?" queried the nice gentleman. No thanks, I was just leaving. Now, based on what I saw, this place is selling used gear at, or above the equivalent prices if you buy it new (assuming you know where the best prices are). I was appalled that they would have the nerve to try and gouge some poor parents this way, since most of what they had wasn't even for adult sized stuff (those skate prices were for like size 5 skates). So I'm going to tell my friend to stay far away from used sporting goods stores and keep checking the bulletin board at the rink. I used to have a bunch of url's for some goalie pages, some of which had used gear for sale. Does anyone know the current address for anywhere selling used gear? Or is anyone looking to unload some of their old stuff? I'd appreciate the help, and I thought that everyone might get a kick out of the prices in this "bargain" store. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: Dealing with BIG screens Date: 14 Mar 1997 15:39:39 -0500 On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Larry Smith wrote: > My approach to this situation is to get up right behind the screening > player my stickside of him and drop down; I'm left handed, so I go to the > left. This does two things for me, I get into a position where I can see > the puck and I'm right up against the player so I can stuff any tip attempt > by the screening player. > This is generally my solution, if the guy in question is very close to or in the crease area. However, I won't drop down right away. I try to see past the screen, and if I can see the shot getting off, I'll know generally where it's going. If it's at all low, I'll butterfly. If it's high, I'll try to save it normally. Not much you can do on a high tip anyways, and I don't trust the player to make the save for me if it's heading for the top corner. Granted, sometimes you can't see the damn shot no matter what position you're in -- well, you just pray if that happens. > The screening player may actually be in the position I should be to > properly block the net. But, by getting behind him and not allowing tips I > have converted him into a piece of goalie gear. Low shots which might go > through his legs I've got covered; high shots hit his body (I get close > enough to basically "lock" him; the player then can't get out of the way of > high shots). > > On the other hand, if the screening player is off my line to the shooter I > will move out past the screen to get a clear view and angle on the shooter > and, at the same time, obstruct his passing lane to the screening player. > This leaves a player behind me, but if I'm in position that doesn't matter. > > Just my two cents worth. > > Larry Smith > I won't ever let a player be behind me. To my immediate right or left or whatever, but never behind me so that I couldn't see him if I just glanced over. Too much crap can happen on a shot, and I like to know where everyone is before it's taken. If you get a weird careen off a skate or stick or something, that guy you let get behind you has a free shot at an empty net. Another thing is that if you lock just one guy and he's way out there, the guy shooting from the point can just move over or pass his way past you. I love cutting down the angle, but I think you have to judge each screen situation individually and generally I'll play them deeper in the net than usual to give myself a chance on those kinds of plays. -MOSSey (IHateScreens) "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: Ringing Endorsement Date: 14 Mar 1997 17:01:54 -0500 Another ringing Battram endorsement: I've only been playng goal for about 2 years, having never played any form of hockey before. I bought most of my stuff used, but over the months, have systematically replaced every peice of used equipment I owend for various reasons. Upper Body Pad: When I started I bought a Cooper SABP 90 something I think. I got it used, and it seemed pretty good at the time. After playing with it for a year, I now know what the SABP stands for: Super Arm Bruises Painful!!! I had more bruises on my arms than anywhere else on my body; all as a result of that pad. When I got some $$$ I looked around at the Brown, Heaton and others, but I kinda knew I wanted a Battram pad. Having never seen it (except from Scott's picture, with his gnarly flannel shirt) I decided to order it; afterall, goalie equipment should be made for goalies, by goalies. Well, after the requsite weeks of unbridled entusiasm coupled with the bitter dissapointment of watching the UPS van drive by my house, not leaving me any packages; my new pad finally arrived. (BTW, this pattern seems to be repeated with every Battram product sold and reviewed on this list. I think we should lobby Scott to personally deliver the finished goods, so we can be spared the agony of waiting for a UPS package that never seems to come...) It was pretty much what I had expected (judging from Scott's input, the photos I've seen, and looking at the other similarly styled pads) and I was more than satisfied. I won my first 2 games with it (this with a team that can count on one hand the number of times we win in a season). Didn't have any problems breaking it in (its stiffer because the padding actually does protect your body, rather than just take up space in my hockey bag like my cooper did). Plus you get all the other side benefits of owning a Battram product: Your pickup truck finally starts, Your wife/husband comes back to you, Your dog/cat comes back to you, You will win your state lottery, You will lose 20 pounds, without messy shakes or frozen entrees, Your personal life is improved and the opposite sex now finds you irristably attractive. When you shop at Walmart, they always open a new checkout line for you. Food tastes better, colors in the world seem brighter, music sounds better. MCI and Sprint and AT&T stop calling you to change your long distance carrier. When you turn on your TV, you never see Sally Struthers asking to save the _________ anymore. When you watch your favorite TV shows, you never see re-runs. My pad came with a pair of pairing knives, and can actually cut a nail, and still slice a tomato like this... Plus much much more... So why buy goalie gear from anybody else? With canstar you just get a lot of nylon and foam; with Battram you get nirvana. Note: Your milage may vary... Actual results of this product may not be experienced with all Battram products... Some assembly required... Batteries not included... Void where prohobited... Free Pamela Lee Anderson clone with every order over $200 offer no longer valid... Battram will not accept coupons from competing chains... Minimum order of $12,000 for delivery... Price excludes tax, tag and title fees... and most importantly: Some Battram pads not for use with all hot wheels cars... Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Re: Dealing with BIG screens Date: 14 Mar 1997 16:11:22 -0600 (CST) In a previous message, Oliver Calderon wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Larry Smith wrote: > > > My approach to this situation is to get up right behind the screening > > player my stickside of him and drop down; I'm left handed, so I go to the > > left. This does two things for me, I get into a position where I can see > > the puck and I'm right up against the player so I can stuff any tip attempt > > by the screening player. > > > This is generally my solution, if the guy in question is very close to or > in the crease area. However, I won't drop down right away. I try to > see past the screen, and if I can see the shot getting off, I'll know > generally where it's going. If it's at all low, I'll butterfly. If it's > high, I'll try to save it normally. Not much you can do on a high tip > anyways, and I don't trust the player to make the save for me if it's > heading for the top corner. Granted, sometimes you can't see the damn > shot no matter what position you're in -- well, you just pray if that > happens. You gentlemen are both quite sportsmanlike. When I get a guy camped in front of me like that, I take the opportunity to get in a little stick work. If I think the guy is an OK sort of fellow, I'll just ram my stick along the ice into the back of his skates, and try and knock him off balance. Otherwise, I'll work on him a little higher, give him a swat in the calf, or press the stick in the back of his knee. If the guy in front of me is a real jerk, he'll get the end of my stick blade right up his fart pipe. -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: Used equipment Date: 14 Mar 1997 21:25:51 -0500 Howdy, Those prices do seem a little ridiculous. I actually had pretty good luck looking for used equipment when I bought mine (at a Play It Again, Sports here in Nashua,NH). I shopped at 3 different Play It Again, Sports stores and the prices were quite different for comparable equipment. I got: Vaughn B1030 Blocker in great shape: $69 (after 2 seasons I replaced the palm $40). Vaughn T950 Catcher $75 (it will be done after next season) Bauer goal skates $50 (saw them for $90 in another store) Aeroflex 34" pads ($175) (one toe strap looks like my dog got to it, but they are in great shape otherwise, except for a little mold) I play 3-4 times a week in over 21/30 leagues and my stuff is holding up pretty well. I hope to only replace one piece of equipment a season. Regards, Kevin At 01:52 PM 3/14/97 -0500, Andy Coll wrote: >Hello all, I'm looking for some used equipment for >a friend who was thinking of starting to play >goal. He's a very good hockey player now, and >wanted to give goalie a more serious try. > >I offered to let him try my stuff, but he's a left >handed blocker/right handed catch, so my stuff >isn't going to work. I told him that I'd be >going to Philly this week and I'd check Play It >Again Sports. > >Well, this is what I found, prepare to spit >coffee/soda at your screen when you see these >prices: > >Item: Conditon: Price: >Bauer 4000 goal skates fair/good $175 >Micron goal skates clapped out $154 >Bauer impact 57 Ok $130 > >Cooper blocker good $125 >Vaughn catch on its last legs $150 > >Cooper 24" pads (old natural $235 > leather pads, very > well worn) > >At this point, I was almost laughing out loud >as I picked up each item. Needless to say, this >draws sales people to your attention faster than >Bill Clinton to a buffet. > >"Can I help you sir?" queried the nice gentleman. >No thanks, I was just leaving. > >Now, based on what I saw, this place is selling >used gear at, or above the equivalent prices if >you buy it new (assuming you know where the >best prices are). > >I was appalled that they would have the nerve >to try and gouge some poor parents this way, >since most of what they had wasn't even for >adult sized stuff (those skate prices were >for like size 5 skates). > >So I'm going to tell my friend to stay far >away from used sporting goods stores and keep >checking the bulletin board at the rink. > >I used to have a bunch of url's for some >goalie pages, some of which had used gear >for sale. Does anyone know the current >address for anywhere selling used gear? > >Or is anyone looking to unload some of >their old stuff? > >I'd appreciate the help, and I thought >that everyone might get a kick out of the >prices in this "bargain" store. > > > Kevin R. Burgess Nashua, NH Home: krb@burghome.mv.com Work: kevinburgess@corsof.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: ON-LINE CATALOGS FINALLY! Date: 14 Mar 1997 21:41:29 -0500 We now have our on-line catalog up in PDF format thanks to Dennis Chapman. Go to our website, and hit the request a catalog button, and then you can download the catalog in either a PDF file, or a WORD97 file, I also posted a WORD97 converter to convert the file to older version of WORD formats as well. I also made a link to the ADOBE ACROBAT READER for viewing PDF files... (A great tool to have for the web) If you have the reader installed, the catalog should launch in your browser... It prints fine on my Laser Printer... let me know what it looks like on a colour printer... thanks! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn M. Broberg" Subject: Play It Again Sports Date: 14 Mar 1997 23:54:31 Hi All My name is Lynn. I'm from Minnesota and I've been playing hockey for 16 years, 6 with the boys and 10 with women. Of the 16 years, I've played goalie for 12 years. Also, I worked for Play It Again Sports for two years so I know the in's and out's of the business. For all the parents or even the youngsters out there that are playing goalie, PIAS is a great place to get equipment. First, it's already broken in. Usually, when kids get new goalie equipment by the time its broken in, they have out grown it. This also holds true for all positions on the ice. Secondly, it's great for adults that aren't really sure if they want to play goalie (or once again, any other position). I reduces your investment in equipment on average of 50%. You can always up-grade later on and PIAS will (in most cases than none) buy your old equipment back from you. When I was working there I picked up a practically brand new Heaton catcher (regularly $300 new) for $75 (but that was cost...the perks of working at the establishment). Also, at least the PIAS stores in Minnesota, also carry the low end equipment. So if you're playing or going to be playing in a no-check league or a very recerational league, the low end equipment will do just find. If anybody has any questions, I still have ties to the store (my ex-boss is now my boyfriend) so just email me and I will try to help you in anyway I can. Lynn Lynn Broberg brob0019@maroon.tc.umn.edu APRIL 22, the saga continues...KISS...St. Paul Civic Center....I'll be in row 37, where will you be???? A journey begins with the first step. A quest begins with the first dream. SAVE NOWHERE MAN (To see what it's like on the set, visit http://www.aquila.com/sandra.jones/dop_ex.htm) |-| /-/ |-| /-/ /-/ | | / / | | / / / / | |/ / | | / / / / | / | | / / / / | / | | / /____ / /____ | \ | | /____ / /____ / | \ | | / / / / | |\ \ | | / / / / | | \ \ | | / / / / |_| \_\ |_| /_/ /_/ GO GOPHERS!! University of Minnesota Hockey Rules!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Play It Again Sports Date: 15 Mar 1997 02:34:09 -0500 (EST) Are there any play it again sports stores in NYC? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Miller and Thompson Date: 15 Mar 1997 02:40:43 -0500 (EST) Hi all, I've heard and recieved info by mail about thompson and miller goalie equipment, has anyone tried these pads or other equipment made by them? The stuff seems good, i just wanted an idea of the equipment.......Also, how are the Vic pads? For those people looking for a decent goal glove at a cheap price, the mylec pro catch is a good one, the only problem is that it is WAY TOO heavy. I had to use it once, cause my glove had not arrived when i expected. I'd say its a good glove for roller hockey in the street. Another thing, i bought a pair of used goal skates, made by Bauer. I don't know what model, all I can say is that i paid $28 bucks for them, and there is not a thing wrong with them expect for a little rust on the blade. Well, if any info on the above equipment let me know.. "There are many contenders, But only one may be crowned Champion" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: Play It Again Sports Date: 15 Mar 1997 02:05:32 PST (Sat) Lynn wrote: > Also, I worked for Play It Again Sports for two > years so I know the in's and out's of the business. For all the parents or > even the youngsters out there that are playing goalie, PIAS is a great > place to get equipment. First, it's already broken in. Usually, when kids > get new goalie equipment by the time its broken in, they have out grown it. > This also holds true for all positions on the ice. Secondly, it's great > for adults that aren't really sure if they want to play goalie (or once > again, any other position). I reduces your investment in equipment on > average of 50%. You can always up-grade later on and PIAS will (in most > cases than none) buy your old equipment back from you. Well, maybe in Minnesota. One of my all-time hot buttons is just how ridiculously high the prices are at our local Play It Again Sports, in northern California. I can cite some examples similar to those Andy Coll did. I saw a well-used pair of CCM Tacks 152 Junior for sale for $110, and at the same time they were $105 in Ocean's catalog. I saw a beat-up pair of kids Cooper pants for $45. Our local arena was selling the same model new for $25. People, don't assume by the name of the store or the reputation that the prices are a bargain. I think someone could (should) sue the chain for creating false expectations. I always use the price of a CCM helmet as a barometer for how a store's prices are. You can find one for under $40 on special in a mail order. Our local Play It Again sells that helmet new for $69. When I go shopping for hockey gear, I take my Ocean's catalog with me. I use Ocean's not because their prices are so great, but because their catalog seems to have almost every piece of common equipment in it. If a given new item is within 10% of the Ocean's price, it's probably a good deal. 25 - 40 percent over, keep looking. If it's used, it better be at least 30% below the mail order price. I really would not be surprised if that PIAS in Minnesota has bargains in used hockey equipment. I expect that one in Phoenix or Palm Desert does not. Those might be better places to get used golf clubs or tennis gear. Here in northern California, as far as I can tell, the bargains at PIAS are few and far between. - Chuck Collins cpc@chkpt.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Play It Again Sports Date: 15 Mar 1997 16:13:27 -0500 At 02:05 AM 3/15/97 PST, you wrote: >Lynn wrote: > >> Also, I worked for Play It Again Sports for two >> years so I know the in's and out's of the business. For all the parents or >> even the youngsters out there that are playing goalie, PIAS is a great >> place to get equipment. First, it's already broken in. Usually, when kids >> get new goalie equipment by the time its broken in, they have out grown it. >> This also holds true for all positions on the ice. Secondly, it's great >> for adults that aren't really sure if they want to play goalie (or once >> again, any other position). I reduces your investment in equipment on >> average of 50%. You can always up-grade later on and PIAS will (in most >> cases than none) buy your old equipment back from you. > >Well, maybe in Minnesota. > >One of my all-time hot buttons is just how ridiculously high the prices are >at our local Play It Again Sports, in northern California. > >I can cite some examples similar to those Andy Coll did. I saw a well-used >pair of CCM Tacks 152 Junior for sale for $110, and at the same time they >were $105 in Ocean's catalog. I saw a beat-up pair of kids Cooper pants >for $45. Our local arena was selling the same model new for $25. > >People, don't assume by the name of the store or the reputation that the >prices are a bargain. I think someone could (should) sue the chain for creating >false expectations. > >I always use the price of a CCM helmet as a barometer for how a store's >prices are. You can find one for under $40 on special in a mail order. >Our local Play It Again sells that helmet new for $69. > >When I go shopping for hockey gear, I take my Ocean's catalog with me. I >use Ocean's not because their prices are so great, but because their catalog >seems to have almost every piece of common equipment in it. If a given new >item is within 10% of the Ocean's price, it's probably a good deal. 25 - 40 >percent over, keep looking. If it's used, it better be at least 30% below the >mail order price. > >I really would not be surprised if that PIAS in Minnesota has bargains in >used hockey equipment. I expect that one in Phoenix or Palm Desert does not. >Those might be better places to get used golf clubs or tennis gear. Here in >northern California, as far as I can tell, the bargains at PIAS are few and >far between. > >- Chuck Collins >cpc@chkpt.COM > > > Hi Chuck... I agree 100% with you... usually they sell alot of old beat up stuff for high prices... people get real angry when they take stuff in and sell it for 30 bucks, and see it the next day for 90.00 Used equipment has its place... for people who cannot or dont want to pay the price for new gear... otherwise, if you can afford new, no matter how old, how long you have been playing... get the new stuff... its a better value in the long run! Even for kids... if you can afford to put them in new gear, thats the only way to do it... when it comes time to upgrade to larger, it will only be maybe 2 years old, not 6, and you can still get a decent return on your initial investment if its in good condition... and usually kids gear is in great shape at 2 years... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Mashhadian Subject: Re: Miller and Thompson Date: 15 Mar 1997 11:38:42 +0000 Jlove042@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've heard and recieved info by mail about thompson and miller goalie > equipment, has anyone tried these pads or other equipment made by them? I have the Miller catch glove. I replaced my Cooper with it. So far it works great- light weight, broke in quick and is nice and smooth on the inside ;). I've gotten a lot of compliments and interest from other goalies and players who haven't seen it before. Honestly though, I really haven't been playing long enough to compare all this stuff. I just know what seems to be comfy for me. Tal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey, I have a web page for my lighting store. Check it out. ---or--- Do you believe in Macintosh? Please check out: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: Play it again sam... Date: 15 Mar 1997 17:10:36 -0500 I didn't want to come across as slamming PIAS in general, I just wanted to show that you had better know what you're buying, because a bargain isn't always what it seems. Actually, I bought a bunch of my stuff from PIAS, and their prices were ok. Although, since this stuff is used, and since the manager is just making the prices up anyway, nothing I bought was for what they asked, I haggled and made package deals to bring the price down. If it wasn't for PIAS, I probably would have taken much longer to get all the gear together to try and play goal. If you're not sure you're going to enjoy the game, or if you can even play well, all that gear is a substantial investment. Nearly every piece of my gear was used when I started: Vic 506 blocker and glove: used, lasted 1 year of roller hockey, paid $75 for both at PIAS Vaughn catch glove, lasted 1 year of roller hockey, paid $50 at PIAS, used Cooper SABP upper body pad, lasted 2 years, paid $75 used CCM Supra pants, used, lasted 2 years, paid $45 used Easton goalie collar, paid $10, still using it. John Brown JB250 pads, very used, $150, lasted 1 year I bought my Eddy mask new (I know, don't tell me how wonderful my mask is, I've heard all the positive feedback about Eddy products :-)) along with my skates, from Source for Sports, Ontario I've replaced all the used stuff but the collar. It wasn't worn totally out, but I just didn't like playing with it, and deicded I was going to stick with the sport and I could throw some $$$ into it. My total investment to get started was about $700. I the last 12 months, I've spent that on new leg pads (Brians Altra Air Pacs, $375) and a new Battram chest pad ($325). PIAS helped me get started for less money than I would have spent elsewhere, and for that I thank them, but I think they should change their slogan from "Sports equipment thats used, not used up" to "Buyer beware". Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Play it again sam... Date: 15 Mar 1997 17:26:13 -0500 > >I've replaced all the used stuff but the collar. It wasn't worn totally >out, but I just didn't like playing with it, and deicded I was going to >stick with the sport and I could throw some $$$ into it. > >My total investment to get started was about $700. I the last 12 months, >I've spent that on new leg pads (Brians Altra Air Pacs, $375) and a new >Battram chest pad ($325). > Exactly... those Brians and our Upper Body should easilly last you 7 years or more... so... as you see... the money is better spent on the new stuff, although alot cheaper for the used, it seemed to only last one year! Spending 500 or so every year on used gear soon adds up to what new gear would be!! >PIAS helped me get started for less money than I would have spent elsewhere, >and for that I thank them, but I think they should change their slogan from >"Sports equipment thats used, not used up" to >"Buyer beware". Well its usually like that when buying anything used... thats one of the main reasons we like to always buy NEW sewing gear... sure its upwards of 4 grand per machine... but I know the history since day one of the stuff... and it hasnt been monkeyed around with by other people... Sure there is some good used stuff out there... but for doing what we do... new is the easiest way to go with the least headaches.. and with most things... cheaper in the long run! > > >Andy Coll >esv@psu.edu >http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solar Bear #30 Subject: Re: Play It Again Sports Date: 15 Mar 1997 16:39:26 -0600 AMEN about PIAS. We have 2 here in the Huntsville, Ala area. When the first one opened several years ago hockey equipment was a steal; I spent $19.00 on a pair on almost new Tackla pants, catalogue price at the time was $129.00 and they looked like they had been used 2-3 times. Got a few other good deals for about 6 months after that, then prices started getting ridiculous. Now, 4 years later, even trying to get them to order anything takes an act of God (and they love to announce at our college and minor pro games how much they support the game). They have permanently lost my business. -- Donna Solar Bear #30 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending. Our Motto: "Call as many penalties as you want, someone else has to sit." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: PIAS Date: 15 Mar 1997 18:33:59 -0500 I bought my first equipment from PIAS a few years ago. I can say that as a starting goaltender I felt somewhat poorly advised by their salespeople about a few things. My worst purchase though was a used Jofa Helmet-Mask type combo for about $150. They were going about $280 new at the time, but shortly after the prices came down to $150 new. In any case, I thought I'd mention that I think that customers have the ability to sell stuff directly through the store, on a commissioned basis. In that case you get to set the price, and the store keeps some of the profit (I forget the %). When I have sold stuff, they usually give me 50% of what they will resell it for. I guess it seems like a crappy deal, but if they do what flea markets do and only have a 20% markup, they are not going to be able to cover overhead costs (which a flea market establishment does not have to worry about as much). Steve -------- "In my life, why do I give valuable time to people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?!" -- the Smiths Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn M. Broberg" Subject: Re: Play It Again Sports Date: 15 Mar 1997 18:06:39 Wow, You guys have had some bad experiences with PIAS. I have never heard anything but good things about equipment and PIAS in Minnesota. I can imagine that hockey equipment in Alabama and California would be more expensive. Not to knock the states in any way what's so ever, but I'm sure that there is a bigger demand for hockey equipment in the state of Minnesota than either Alabama or California, not much pond hockey in either of those two states. I would imagine that if the Minnesota stores carried surf boards that they would be a little more expensive for something equivalent to it being sold in California. I can not express how many times that parents have left with a smile on their face and money still left in the checkbooks after they left. One day I had a lady stop in to pick up tape for her older son. While she was there she looked at our equipment for her younger son just starting hockey. Earlier in the week, her husband and she went to fit him at another sports store and had all the equipment all hold. They told the parents that they wouldn't find equipment to fit their son at any other store, any cheaper. She asked to use our phone and called the place and told them right there at our store that they were "full of shit" and told them to put the stuff back on the shelf. I can't say much about other stores than the ones outside the state of Minnesota, but I know that the items that Minnesota's PIAS carry that the high end stores carry are always cheaper or on rare occasions the same price at other sporting goods stores. Another thing is that a lot of people don't know how much cost is for things, not just hockey equipment. I work at a party good store now and we sell balloons. At balloon specialty shops or the flower shops, they sell mylar balloons for $3-4. The cost on mylar balloons is about $0.50 and the helium to fill them is about $0.02. That's like a 400% profit. So when you know the cost of things you think you are getting ripped off, generally. Oh, shit, I just remembered something. The majority of PIAS stores (about 95%) in the state of Minnesota are owned by a guy named Jim VanBuskerk. All the other stores, nation-wide and world-wide, are owned by a company called Grow-Biz. All the corperate stores in Minnesota suck. So I guess I'd have to agree with all you people. Jim runs his business' a little different that Grow-Biz does. GB tries to screw you so they can make lots of money. Jim's philosophy is a little different. He believes that success comes from making people happy and having them return. Jim wouldn't mind making a profit of $100 on 100 items,where as Grow-Biz would rather make $100 on one item and keep screwing you. I'm sorry for everybody that has ever shopped at a corporate store. This fact totally blew my mind until now. I know people that drive out of their way to avoid the corporate store and to shop at Jim's stores. Jim is also very selective on his employees. I urge everybody to avoid the corporate store!!! Lynn Lynn Broberg brob0019@maroon.tc.umn.edu APRIL 22, the saga continues...KISS...St. Paul Civic Center....I'll be in row 37, where will you be???? A journey begins with the first step. A quest begins with the first dream. SAVE NOWHERE MAN (To see what it's like on the set, visit http://www.aquila.com/sandra.jones/dop_ex.htm) |-| /-/ |-| /-/ /-/ | | / / | | / / / / | |/ / | | / / / / | / | | / / / / | / | | / /____ / /____ | \ | | /____ / /____ / | \ | | / / / / | |\ \ | | / / / / | | \ \ | | / / / / |_| \_\ |_| /_/ /_/ GO GOPHERS!! University of Minnesota Hockey Rules!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn M. Broberg" Subject: Consignment Date: 15 Mar 1997 18:15:59 PIAS also does consignment, you don't get your money until the equipment sells. The split is 60/40, you get 60, we kept 40%. That was Jim's stores anyway Lynn Broberg brob0019@maroon.tc.umn.edu APRIL 22, the saga continues...KISS...St. Paul Civic Center....I'll be in row 37, where will you be???? A journey begins with the first step. A quest begins with the first dream. SAVE NOWHERE MAN (To see what it's like on the set, visit http://www.aquila.com/sandra.jones/dop_ex.htm) |-| /-/ |-| /-/ /-/ | | / / | | / / / / | |/ / | | / / / / | / | | / / / / | / | | / /____ / /____ | \ | | /____ / /____ / | \ | | / / / / | |\ \ | | / / / / | | \ \ | | / / / / |_| \_\ |_| /_/ /_/ GO GOPHERS!! University of Minnesota Hockey Rules!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreadgoal@aol.com Subject: Re: Warwick Masks Date: 15 Mar 1997 23:43:24 -0500 (EST) Dear Chris, You can find Warwick in Canadian catalogs or even in some US but they are few and far between. Try a company called Perrani the are located in Michigan if you need to know the number or address e-mail me back ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreadgoal@aol.com Subject: Re: 97 Catalog done, needed someone to make it a .PDF file Date: 16 Mar 1997 00:05:25 -0500 (EST) Let me check someone i know if i cant help you before you get it done let me at least have the address to see the stuff im always interested in new, unknown or just undeveloped products to try for comparison and feedback thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreadgoal@aol.com Subject: Re: ITECH 950 Mask Date: 16 Mar 1997 00:11:55 -0500 (EST) try a badger mask or even the Jofa combo both list around $140-$180 depending on the area you live in ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dreadgoal@aol.com Subject: Re: Fingers OUCH Date: 16 Mar 1997 00:21:07 -0500 (EST) paul told you to cut a notch in your stick. Cool concept but your looking not to do that cause you dont wanna hacksaw your stick? Call Johnny Mac's in St Louis ask for the Lindsay Middlebrook model Vic stick. The number is (314) 838-1888 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Workout Program Date: 16 Mar 1997 01:37:37 -0500 Howdy all: I've decided that I need to lose 40 pounds. That said, I'd like some advice on how to go about this. This is what I have so far.... 3-4 times a week, work out at the University's fitness center. 45 minutes of aerobic exercise (bike, ski machine, running, stair master), broken up into 3 15-minute sessions, to simulate my games. In addition, after such sessions 1-2 times a week, weight work on my arms, abs, and back. If I ref in or play in a game that week, that can take the place of 1 of the sessions per game. I've set a goal of 2 pounds a week. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on how to go about this better than above, or if my goal is realistic? Thanks, Matt Malicki -------------------- malickim@tir.com "Falling in love is so hard on the knees." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 15 Mar 1997 23:51:00 -0700 (MST) Reply to Matt Malicki: > > I've set a goal of 2 pounds a week. I was wondering if anyone had any > advice on how to go about this better than above, or if my goal is > realistic? > You need to decrease caloric intake by 3500 to lose one pound of body fat. That would mean eating 500 calories less per day, or burning an extra 500 per day, without changing your food intake. 7000 calories/week is quite unrealistic. Especially given your proposed workout schedule. I would strongly suggest the book Enter the Zone by Barry Sears. The 50-cent tour is that it espouses eating a proper balance of protein, carbs, and fat *every* time you eat. He's a biochemist so he explains the ins and outs of all of this. The upshot is that your body will seek it's natural weight--for many of us that means losing weight, but for some it means gaining weight. All from the same program. If nothing else, avoid loading up on carbs before or after a workout (or any time, actually). Whe you eat only cards, the hormonal message your are sending to your body is "store fat". Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: ITECH 950 Mask Date: 16 Mar 1997 07:54:36 -0500 At 12:11 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >try a badger mask or even the Jofa combo both list around $140-$180 depending >on the area you live in > > > I thought BADGER was out of business... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 16 Mar 1997 08:14:37 -0500 At 01:37 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >Howdy all: > > I've decided that I need to lose 40 pounds. That said, I'd like some >advice on how to go about this. This is what I have so far.... > >3-4 times a week, work out at the University's fitness center. 45 minutes >of aerobic exercise (bike, ski machine, running, stair master), broken up >into 3 15-minute sessions, to simulate my games. In addition, after such >sessions 1-2 times a week, weight work on my arms, abs, and back. If I ref >in or play in a game that week, that can take the place of 1 of the >sessions per game. Hi Matt.... It just sounds as though you are eating more calories than you are burning... what you are doing is a great way to loose the weight... probably just eating a little more of the wrong foods! The cruncher is... with the weight training your body needs more energy.... with weights you want to do one of 2 things, either get toned or get big... Sounds like you want to get toned... here is the program myself and my workout partner are using: Day 1 (Chest and front shoulder) (start light go as heavy as you can while decreasing the reps 4 sets flat bench 4 sets incline Bench 4 sets flat dumbell presses (like bench only with dumbells) 4 sets incline dumbel presses 4 sets flat flies 4 sets incline flies 4 sets shoulder press with either dumbels or bar 4 sets shoulder lateral raises Day 2 (Back and Rear Shoulder) 4 sets wide grip pulldowns 4 sets close grip pulldowns (palms facing you) 4 sets dumbell pullups (knee on bench pull weight up like you are starting a lawn mower) 4 sets close grip pulldowns (a special bar is used so palms face each other and you pull into your sternum area) 4 sets sitting close grip rows 4 sets sitting wide grip rows 4 sets bent over flies 4 sets standing pulley crossovers Day 3 (Tri's - Bi's and Forearms) 4 sets skullcrushers (lay on back with a bar over your head take the weight into your forehead area and push it up) 4 sets tricep pushdowns 4 sets tricep over the head tricept pull downs 4 sets barbell curls 4 sets dumbel curls 4 sets seated incline dumbel curls (this lengthens the bicep) 4 sets weight roll-up (a weight is attatched to a rope and a steel bar, then cranked up used for tennis elbow etc...) Day 4 (Legs) 4 sets squats 4 sets leg machine 4 sets seat leg extensions 4 seats hamstring extensions 4 sets calf raises 4 sets seated calf push-outs To gain muscle mass go low reps and heavy eat about 4000 calories of good stuff a day...(ie a wreslers or football players build) To loose fat, go high reps (up to 15) and eat less and use lightweight (this also will tone your body) ie) a swimmers build. Drink a lot of water... When you are doing your cardio work... maybe do one excercise each day for 30 minutes, then do the other excercise the next day rather than brealoking it up into 3 segments for 15 minutes... if they have bikes with pulse meeters and calories burned indicaters see how long it takes you to burn of that hamburg you just ate! (you will be surprised how long it takes to burn just 100 cal on a bike!) We dont do abs... and our program takes usually 2 of us about 45 minutes each day... on Back Day its a little longer... > I've et a goal of 2 pounds a week. I was wondering if anyone had any >advice on how to go about this better than above, or if my goal is >realistic? > That should be really easy to do if you do the above program... >Thanks, > >Matt Malicki >-------------------- >malickim@tir.com >"Falling in love is so hard on the knees." > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: ON THE SKULLCRUSHERS I FORGOT SOMETHING.... Date: 16 Mar 1997 12:52:14 -0500 >Day 3 (Tri's - Bi's and Forearms) >4 sets skullcrushers (lay on back with a bar over your head take the weight >into your forehead area and push it up) >4 sets tricep pushdowns >4 sets tricep over the head tricept pull downs >4 sets barbell curls >4 sets dumbel curls >4 sets seated incline dumbel curls (this lengthens the bicep) >4 sets weight roll-up (a weight is attatched to a rope and a steel bar, >then cranked up used for tennis elbow etc...) > WHEN DOING THE SKULLCRUSHERS: Make sure you start with real light weight, and have a spotter spot you, because, if you use heavy weight, and your not used to it, you will find out why they are called skull crushers... Start with 10lbs a side, and work your way up... We were doing 35's and 5's per side one night, and after we finished a couple kids were gonna try the same as us... before we could warn them, the one dummy almost dropped it right on his mellon... luckily the momentum when he tried bringing the weight into his forhead carried it over his head and he ended up dropping it on the floor... While its easy to get this weight up, remember when you bring the weight down, gravity is pulling, and there is alot of force, and this makes you need to control the weight down (which is harder than pushing weight up). The bar you use is about 4 feet long, with 45 deg bends for the hands... I forget the name of this bar (its the same one you use for bicep curls if you cant use a straight bar) I also forgot, to put in: 4 sets behind the head tricep raises with 1 dumbel (use both hands, and hold the weight by putting your hands under one end of the dumbel and then push it up towards the ceiling then lower it) make sure your elbows are in a straight line with your shoulders... otherwise your cheating... your triceps will get larger than your bicep, guys with 22" arms triceps are alot larger than there bi's as its a larger muscle group... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 16 Mar 1997 13:57:31 -0500 Hi Matt, One thing to keep in mind is that muscle weighs more than fat. So if the scale isn't going in the direction you want, you should adjust your workout/diet accordingly (i.e. you may be getting more muscle, thus more weight). My workout is similar to Scott's and I've worked myself up to 230 lbs at 6'1" with 15% bodyfat. I'm working on adjusting my workout to get the my poundage down to about 215. You also want to make sure you are doing a total body workout (I didn't see legs on your list, and obviously legs are pretty important to a goalie :-) ). Also if you are just starting out, don't be too overly aggressive with the weights. You want to work your body into shape to be able to do the kind of workout Scott does. Good luck. Kevin >At 01:37 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Howdy all: >> >> I've decided that I need to lose 40 pounds. That said, I'd like some >>advice on how to go about this. This is what I have so far.... >> >>3-4 times a week, work out at the University's fitness center. 45 minutes >>of aerobic exercise (bike, ski machine, running, stair master), broken up >>into 3 15-minute sessions, to simulate my games. In addition, after such >>sessions 1-2 times a week, weight work on my arms, abs, and back. If I ref >>in or play in a game that week, that can take the place of 1 of the >>sessions per game. Kevin R. Burgess Nashua, NH Home: krb@burghome.mv.com Work: kevinburgess@corsof.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solar Bear #30 Subject: Re: Hextall School of Goaltending Date: 16 Mar 1997 13:37:50 -0600 Thanks for the comment about my sig file. I'm not known for being real nice when I play, in fact, the nickname Solar Bear refers to being a real bear on the ice here in the South. I have been known to growl at both the opposing team and my own players! The sig file also fits one of our local college goalies, he holds the college's record for most penalty minutes by a goaltender. He also has the distinction of being the only goalie in the collage to have to sit in the box and serve his own penalty, not once but twice! I guess we are unique individuals. -- Donna Solar Bear #30 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending. Our Motto: "Call as many penalties as you want, someone else has to sit." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 16 Mar 1997 16:09:45 -0600 (CST) In a previous message, Matt Malicki wrote: > > Howdy all: > > I've decided that I need to lose 40 pounds. That said, I'd like some > advice on how to go about this. This is what I have so far.... > > 3-4 times a week, work out at the University's fitness center. 45 minutes > of aerobic exercise (bike, ski machine, running, stair master), broken up > into 3 15-minute sessions, to simulate my games. In addition, after such > sessions 1-2 times a week, weight work on my arms, abs, and back. If I ref > in or play in a game that week, that can take the place of 1 of the > sessions per game. FYI, when it comes to aerobic exercise, 3 15 minute sessions is not as effective as a single 45 minute session. This is because it will take 10-12 minutes of exercise before you really get into the aerobic zone. It takes that long for muscles to switch over from using its preferred fuels (ATP, carbs) to where they start using fat. So it works out that 3 15 minute sessions will only get you 9-15 minutes of real aerobic workout, whereas a single 45 minute session will get you 32-35 minutes. Also one other tip. I've found that when I do both weight raining and aerobics in the same session, that it works best to do the weights before doing the aerobic work. I can do more weight/reps if I don't tire myself out with the aerobic work before hand. -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Rayburn Subject: Fellow Graduates of the Ron Hextall School Date: 16 Mar 1997 23:29:07 -0600 To all my fellow graduates of the Ron Hextall School of Goaltending, I offer my pride at having lead the league in penalties among goaltenders for all of my five seasons of roller hockey, including a whopping 12 minutes in one game alone! Hey, if that guy wants to charge in and slap my glove chasing a rebound, then he's going down! I just wish that all my team-mates would quit telling me to "Relax, or calm down".... Don't they understand how pumped up it makes us to mix it up?? And boy do I love to handle the puck! Les Rayburn #27 Graduate, Ron Hextall School of Goaltending P.S., Yes, it's off subject but if the flyers trade Hex, I'll never forgive them! FELIX WHO???? HOW CAN I GUY NAMED "CAT" EVER HOPE TO WIN A CUP???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Kelsey Subject: Workout Program -Reply Date: 17 Mar 1997 08:41:14 -0600 Matt - I have found that the key thing for me is to cut back on food intake - esp. the snacks between/before/after meals. If I can cut out the snacks I always seem to sneak in, and get a bit of exercise, the weight will go down. It takes a month or so for it to start to drop, and it goes gradually. I lost about 15 pounds before the season started this year, and I had the best year I have ever had on the ice. I am (almost!) back down to the weight I was when I got out of grad school. Good luck! Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j-ordonez@juno.com (John A Ordonez) Subject: Re: Workout Date: 17 Mar 1997 10:38:51 EST >Howdy all: > I've decided that I need to lose 40 pounds. That said, I'd like some >advice on how to go about this. This is what I have so far.... >3-4 times a week, work out at the University's fitness center. 45 minutes >of aerobic exercise (bike, ski machine, running, stair master), broken up >into 3 15-minute sessions, to simulate my games. In addition, after such >sessions 1-2 times a week, weight work on my arms, abs, and back. If I ref >in or play in a game that week, that can take the place of 1 of the >sessions per game. > I've set a goal of 2 pounds a week. I was wondering if anyone had any >advice on how to go about this better than above, or if my goal is >realistic? Hey Matt, My brother was a professional bodybuilder when he was younger and he taught me a lot about exercise and nutrition. I also keep up a strong workout regiment that still keeps me in shape (hopefully I'll have my own web page up soon to show everybody). This is just advice on what I know and what has worked for me. It's best if you take this information and then talk to a doctor. They can test your blood pressure and medical history to help tailor a diet/workout regiment to best fit your needs. Anyways, Dave's advice is correct. A lower caloric intake is a must, especially of you want to lose as much weight as you do. Carbs should be limited, and should ONLY be taken early in the day. If carbs are eaten close to bedtime, they are not digested properly, so they automatically become stored (whereas if they are taken in early in the day they immediately become used as energy). Notice, "lower" caloric intake should not be read as "LOW" caloric intake. Starving yourself causes a fast loss of lean muscle mass and often a decrease in the effectiveness of the immune system. Also, eat 6 to 8 small meals in the day, as opposed to 3 square meals. Smaller meals, over time, speed up your metabolism. This helps in processing nutrients quickly and having the body store less nutrients (like carbs or proteins), which eventually turns to fat. As for supplements, I take three kinds -- Cromium, L-Carnitine and L-Glutamine. All these (Cromium being a mineral (I beleive) and L-Carnitine/L-Glutamine are amino acids) help the body, especially when dieting, to go after stored nutrients as opposed to muscle mass. This is important because when a person is dieting and the body needs nutrients quickly and it's easy for it to attack lean muscle because muscle is filled with nutrients. Supplements such as these help preserve muscle that's so difficult to gain. [Note: some people may steer you towards Creatine, which is also an amino acid. This is only taken for short periods if you want to increase muscle mass. This should taken only if you want to become bigger, not leaner]. As for workouts, I split them up two ways. In the morning, I start with abs and then a 20-25 minute aerobic workout. I usually rotate between treadmill (or jog outside in the summer), stairmaster and stationary bike. Aerobic workouts are best in the morning because Glycogen (stored energy) levels are lower in the morning and can be depleated quickly. Also, this is a short and effective way to "kick start" your day of work. The abs are great to start off with because they are a great warmup exercise and can be worked-out everyday. Then I stretch before my aerobic workout. At night, I go back to the gym and do my anaerobic workout (weightlifting). I work chest and triceps one day, shoulders/back/biceps the next day, then legs on the third day (repeating this process on days 4,5 and 6). If I want to get lean, I use light weight with high repetitions and little time in between sets. If I want to gain muscle mass, I use heavier weights, increasing weight and rest-time between each set. And the most important element in all this, WATER. Drinking cold water (I drink about 3 liters throughout the day) does two things. One, it helps the body carry toxins and other waste products quickly out of the body. Two, the body has to use energy to heat the cold water so that normal body temperature is maintained. Which means that additional calories are used, even at rest!!! Though the above is a lot, there's a lot more about nutrition and exercise. Read some books in the library and consult a doctor and nutritionist. John Ordonez "Now what kind of Mickey Mouse organization would name their team 'The Ducks'?????" ***Quote from Bugs Bunny to Daffy Duck - SPACEJAM the movie *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: Fellow Graduates of the Ron Hextall School Date: 17 Mar 1997 10:18:12 -0500 Les Rayburn wrote: To all my fellow graduates of the Ron Hextall School of Goaltending, I offer my pride at having lead the league in penalties among goaltenders for all of my five seasons of roller hockey, including a whopping 12 minutes in one game alone! Hey, if that guy wants to charge in and slap my glove chasing a rebound, then he's going down! I just wish that all my team-mates would quit telling me to "Relax, or calm down".... Don't they understand how pumped up it makes us to mix it up?? And boy do I love to handle the puck! What a selfish attitude. Your team is trying to tell you that the game of hockey is played by a TEAM. You don't help the team by acting like a spoiled child. You would serve your guys much better by chirping like mad at the refs each and every time it happens. You will find that an ordinary poke at a glove will soon turn into a power play and your guys then have a chance to score, not clean up your misktakes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Diet, Exercise and such Date: 17 Mar 1997 10:58:37 EST Matt, You want to lose weight, and get in better shape for playing goal. Good... 1) When it comes to food, remember all things in moderation. Protien and Carbohydrates are essential for any athelete. Protien helps build muscle, and heal injury, and Carbos provide energy. These are generalities, if you want specifics, take a nutrition class. Eat a moderate diet. I recommend real food as opposed to prepackaged frozen food, but that's a personal thing. Not everyone has the time or inclination to cook. I have a wife that takes very good care of me. 2) A hockey player in general and a goalie in specific have particular requirements in terms of exercise. I personally use a regimine of cross training, designed to target different areas on alternate days. An example might be; Sunday - Weights (relatively light weights and lots of reps. To build strength and speed but not bulk.) Monday - Swimming Tuesday - Running or Bicycling Wednesday - Racquetball or Ping Pong (Both are excellent trainnig for goalies) Thursday - Power Skating Friday - Back to the pool Saturday - Rock Climbing Include in this stretching (Every day) and regular practice. If I have a game that night, I do a half workout. I like to change the flavor of my workout from day to day to keep it interesting, and to change the loading on individual muscle groups. 3) Game day ritual Get up early and eat breakfast (I try to keep it light) Do a half workout or a morning skate (Drives the figure skaters nuts) At lunch, I typcally eat a pasta based meal. (Often grilled chicken pasta) for carbos and protien that I'm going to need later. Try to relax as much as possible during the afternoon. Dinner similar to lunch Hit the rink an hour or so before the game. I like to take my time getting dressed, warming up and then stretching before the game. I'm not a professional goalie, though I have been playing goal most of my 31 years. My regimine is based on good nutrition and exercise practices. My weight stays right at 175#, and I don't have a problem with running out of energy before the end of the game. Good Luck... Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Fellow Graduates of the Ron Hextall School Date: 17 Mar 1997 10:34:06 -0800 >What a selfish attitude. Your team is trying to tell you that the game >of hockey is played by a TEAM. You don't help the team by acting like a >spoiled child. You would serve your guys much better by chirping like >mad at the refs each and every time it happens. You will find that an >ordinary poke at a glove will soon turn into a power play and your guys >then have a chance to score, not clean up your misktakes. Great point! I mean, there's a point where you can protect yourself, but when it comes to a point where you're hurting the team, it's gone way too far. I personally pride myself on the fact that I received no penalty minutes while at the same time having established to all the players that the crease is my turf, and it's not to be treaded upon lightly. Just because someone else on our teams has to sit our penalties, doesn't make it better for us to take one (I'd rather have the man-advantage than down a man). We may be individuals, but we're still part of a team. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: Denver bound!!! Date: 17 Mar 1997 10:14:53 -0800 Yup, this time around the city is Denver! Steve Langevin (from the list) and I will be road tripping from the Bay Area to Denver and back sometime in the next few weeks. I know many members on the list are from Colorado (we're also going to Gunnison), so we wanted to let everyone know and see if you'd like to meet up for a beer or two. Email me back and let me know! -Don **************************************************************************** Don Otvos | Madge Networks Inc Inside Sales - Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Shift happens. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: Goalie penalties Date: 17 Mar 1997 14:39:39 -0800 (PST) Hi all, Maybe it's just me but I find that you get what you give as far as sticking guys in front of the net. I don't do it and I never get hit or any cheap shots. I guess it's up to the individual goalie how they want to play but I personally find I get psyched just playing a fast game. I've seen females get flattened after they stick guys in front of the net so I don't think it's a gender thing. Just my 2 cents (hi, Solar Bear, your comment about growling was hilarious!) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Rayburn Subject: RE: HEXTALL...CAN YOU SAY "JOKE"??? Date: 17 Mar 1997 16:36:13 -0600 Sheez...Can you say "Joke"? All comments regarding the aggressive style of the modern god of Goaltending, Ron Hextall were made with a little jest. I am a 35 year old father of three, not some hot-headed kid. Most of the guys I play against are good friends who I would never wish to injure. And as each league is a little different, I know what our refs will or won't call. For instance, never a penalty for getting in a guys face for coming in chasing a rebound. But it does buy me that extra split second of hesitation from some forwards and that saves goals. As for the actual penalties, most of them are for slashing guys who are near the net. And I always am careful of when to try that stunt. Sometimes you get caught, and sometimes yes, it costs the team. Witness Chris Osgood last night against Colorado. But often it clears screens and saves goals. It's a trade off. Besides, who doesn't take a bad penalty from time to time? My team knows that I'm back there giving it my all. Lighten up...remember when hockey and this list were fun....??????? Les Rayburn, #27 Deans List, 1994 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solar Bear #30 Subject: Re: Goalie penalties / Hextal Grad Date: 17 Mar 1997 17:07:17 -0600 goalieootttaA wrote: > > Hi all, > > Maybe it's just me but I find that you get what you give as far as > sticking guys in front of the net. I don't do it and I never get hit or > any cheap shots. I guess it's up to the individual goalie how they want to > play but I personally find I get psyched just playing a fast game. I've > seen females get flattened after they stick guys in front of the net so I > don't think it's a gender thing. Just my 2 cents (hi, Solar Bear, your > comment about growling was hilarious!) > Lisa Being the only female goalie in a city of 250,000+, growling has gotten me more respect than trying to retaliate against a cheap shot. In one of my first games against a team from another city I took a vicious slash to my glove hand after the whistle blew. My D was back behind the net trying to get out to help me when he stopped dead in his tracks. He heard me telling the opposing player in no uncertain terms exactly where his stick would wind up if he did that again. He also found out exactly which cuss words I knew and in how many languages. He left me alone for the rest of the game and after the game told me how well I had played! -- Donna Solar Bear #30 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending. Our Motto: "Call as many penalties as you want, someone else has to sit." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolf Subject: Penalties Date: 16 Mar 1997 18:50:13 PST I have sit back and listened to the pros and cons of this argument and must say that I do understand both. I took my first penalty a few weeks back in 3 seasons. I led the league in PIMs the season before that. Yes, that's right led the league, not just goalies. I was playing in a "C" league and the opposing players seem to think that I was fair game. As a 36 year old goalie I am not into getting injured, it takes too long to heal. My defense never seemed to be around when someone would come crashing into me. The ref's didn't seem to understand that this is NOT legal. Well, I felt like it was up to me to teach these guys not to mess with the goalie. I was in 8 fights although I never got a fighting penalty. Four of these fights were because I was stopping the other teams big scorer and he didn't like it so he took a run at me. All four times (twice the same guy) they came in swinging. As you all know as long as you keep your helmet on they can't hurt you so naturally I got the better of the fights. Since I have moved up the players seem to understand the game a little more. Now I just heckle the other team a little. A couple of times I thought I was going to have to fight but so far they leave me alone. I have been playing better since I am not taking the penalties. The one penalty I did take was a tripping penalty that the guy skated by and tryed to kick my stick out of my hand. Needless to say he was unsuccessfull and I yanked on the stick and down he went. I laughed and told him not to get that close next time or he will be back down on the ice. The ref did not see any of this only him flying down to the ice and no one else around but me. :] Now if I could just get the rest of the team to quit taking penalties we would win every game. I am really get killed this year on the penalty kill, usually 5 on 3's. Wolf #30 Wolves 14-4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Penalties Date: 17 Mar 1997 21:29:19 -0500 At 06:50 PM 3/16/97 PST, you wrote: >I have sit back and listened to the pros and cons of this argument and >must say that I do understand both. I took my first penalty a few weeks >back in 3 seasons. I led the league in PIMs the season before that. Yes, >that's right led the league, not just goalies. I was playing in a "C" >league and the opposing players seem to think that I was fair game. As a >36 year old goalie I am not into getting injured, it takes too long to >heal. My defense never seemed to be around when someone would come >crashing into me. The ref's didn't seem to understand that this is NOT >legal. Well, I felt like it was up to me to teach these guys not to mess >with the goalie. I was in 8 fights although I never got a fighting >penalty. Four of these fights were because I was stopping the other teams >big scorer and he didn't like it so he took a run at me. All four times >(twice the same guy) they came in swinging. As you all know as long as you > >keep your helmet on they can't hurt you so naturally I got the better of >the fights. Since I have moved up the players seem to understand the game >a little more. Now I just heckle the other team a little. A couple of >times I thought I was going to have to fight but so far they leave me >alone. I have been playing better since I am not taking the penalties. The > >one penalty I did take was a tripping penalty that the guy skated by and >tryed to kick my stick out of my hand. Needless to say he was >unsuccessfull and I yanked on the stick and down he went. I laughed and >told him not to get that close next time or he will be back down on the >ice. The ref did not see any of this only him flying down to the ice and >no one else around but me. :] Now if I could just get the rest of the team >to quit taking penalties we would win every game. I am really get killed >this year on the penalty kill, usually 5 on 3's. > >Wolf #30 >Wolves 14-4 > > > Fighting... ehehheh!! I know a little bit about that... 2 weeks ago I had my second fight of my 19 year career... (well 3rd if we count the one in the dressing room in Bantam!) but this one scared me... heres the story... I was playing Sunday pickup, way out of my calibre, as alot of these guys are just out for fun... This one guys starts yelling at a kid, to pass the F'n puck you dumb F, (one thing to say that to another man, but not to a 9 year old out for some fun cause they didnt get a huge turnout...) I didnt like that, so next time the guy got close (at the end of the session) I gave him some wood to the ankle... he didnt like it (wanted to know "what the F was that for?") I didnt say anything, then he slashed me on the pads (boy did that ever hurt!! heheheh) so as he skated away, I gave him a little pole in the butt with the stick, then the guy looses it, skates towards me with a big cross check, then I throw the mask off followed by the gloves, and give the guy a few hard ones to the stomache. I then trip on his stick, he lands on top of me. And got me with a good right to the head...(luckily it didnt land on the face... ;) ) I had to reach up with my one free arm and grab a handful of hair to pull the guy over... as I did this I conected with a straight right to his jaw... then I got on top and gave him 3 or 4 good ones in the face. The horn blows to end the session, I leave the ice... and he sits on the ice while its re-surfaced, then he goes to sit on the players bench... about 5 minutes later he comes into the room... gets a quarter and runs to the pay phone, and calls the police (he said he was getting a pop, but when he returned without one, we sorta got wondering...) I had to play 3 sessions that day, so I was staying for the second one, when my Friend Ken shows up in his police uniform... then he starts laughing at me, and making fists... Turns out 4 police all sat out in the parking lot laughing about this twinkie calling them...The police never even spoke with me, and basically told them there was nothing they could do. Or even if they did, it wouldnt even get to court.... Point is, in this day and age, I learned never to fight anyone on the ice again, even iif it is in self defense... as who knows what they will do... But the best thing is, this guy never came back... and the other guys are glad.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: test - please ignore Date: 18 Mar 1997 09:46:05 -0500 (EST) my mail system is going weird on me *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Paul Branchaud "Men, do you fear that, one day, your paul@vedge.com wife will run her hands through your Technical Writer hair... and you won't be there?!" Visual Edge Software, Ltd. -- Richard Jeni (on hair loss) --My opinions are rarely shared by Visual Edge and other smart folks-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: New Address Date: 18 Mar 1997 11:22:52 -0500 (EST) (sorry if this is a repost, I'm not sure if the first version made it to the list or not) For a variety of political and personal reasons, I will no longer be receiving privately addressed email at my work address (paul@vedge.com) If anyone wishes to contact me directly, please feel free to do so at my new private email address: paulb@pubnix.net Furthermore, if anyone (Dave S. and Scott B. in particular) has been trying to send me email, could you please re-send your messages? I never got them at work. I will unsubscribe my work address from the list and subscribe my private one over the course of today. Thanks for your patience and sorry if any bounces resulted from the BS I have had to go through recently. HotBranch! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Paul Branchaud "Men, do you fear that, one day, your paul@vedge.com wife will run her hands through your Technical Writer hair... and you won't be there?!" Visual Edge Software, Ltd. -- Richard Jeni (on hair loss) --My opinions are rarely shared by Visual Edge and other smart folks-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: BCJHL Homepage Date: 18 Mar 1997 17:17:49 -0800 (PST) Hi Guys, Does anyone know if the BCJHL has a Homepage? I went to some playoff games in the interior and was wondering how they are doing since the series wasn't over yet. Thanks, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arnsat@magna.com.au Subject: Re: Fellow Graduates of the Ron Hextall School Date: 19 Mar 1997 17:39:09 +1000 (EST) Actually I agree with solarbear.......at least from my league/point of view. If you dont show players whos boss they start to get a bit big for there boots with words like sieve being thrown around or sticks getting a bit free around the crease. This season ive started playing more aggressively, throwing my own stick around etc and i havent heard sieve for ages......also nobody comes as close to the crease....in a nutshell im getting more respect from the players. At 10:18 AM 3/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Les Rayburn wrote: > > To all my fellow graduates of the Ron Hextall School of Goaltending, > > I offer my pride at having lead the league in penalties among > goaltenders for > all of my five seasons of roller hockey, including a whopping 12 > minutes in > one game alone! > > Hey, if that guy wants to charge in and slap my glove chasing a > rebound, then > he's going down! I just wish that all my team-mates would quit > telling me > to "Relax, or calm down".... > > Don't they understand how pumped up it makes us to mix it up?? And > boy > do I love to handle the puck! > >What a selfish attitude. Your team is trying to tell you that the game >of hockey is played by a TEAM. You don't help the team by acting like a >spoiled child. You would serve your guys much better by chirping like >mad at the refs each and every time it happens. You will find that an >ordinary poke at a glove will soon turn into a power play and your guys >then have a chance to score, not clean up your misktakes. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schenkr@aol.com Subject: Re: Fellow Graduates of the Ron Hextall School Date: 19 Mar 1997 05:07:10 -0500 (EST) There is no way a goalie can think he earns respect by hitting people in his crease. A goalie earns respect by stopping the puck. I have been playing for alot of years and watch the new goalies come into the league in the lower divisions. These guys watch to much NHL and think this is the way to act but forget to concentrate on the job at hand, stopping the puck. The only way to move up is to learn to stop the biscuit. Quit worrying about what anybody says about you and just stuff'em on a breakaway. That's respect. Chris Schenk #1 RHL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Zeigler Subject: updating equipment Date: 19 Mar 1997 09:24:50 -0600 (CST) Good morning fellow goalies! I've been reading the listings for awhile and received alot of good tips/help. It's definitely better getting advice from someone who KNOWS what's required as opposed to teammates who 'have played goalie as a kid'. Anyways, I have a small problem that I haven't seen adressed yet and hopefully someone has. I have an old Cooper chest protector and I love it. Problem is, due to its age and design in those days, there are a few gaps around the front(?) of the elbows and the shoulders - basically, where modern protectors make a point to protect. Because I am so comfortable with the old equipment, I don't want to give it up and would like to add-on the necessary parts. Has anyone tried this? Or would it be better to just get a new one? David Zeigler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Chapman Subject: Re: updating equipment Date: 19 Mar 1997 12:41:34 -0500 Hi David, This chest protector wouldn't be a Cooper SABP 22 would it? I used to have one and would get multiple bruises every game. I decided to bite the bullet and buy a new upper body pad (Scott Battram's pad) after trying on several and seeing just how much more they protect you. If you're going to be getting shots with any velocity to them, you'd probably do better with a new(er) pad that has been ergonomically designed for protection and comfort rather than trying to retrofit an older pad. You'd be surprised at how little time it takes to get used to a new upper body pad (as long as it's designed well). It took me exactly 1 game (actually within 1 game) to get used to mine, and now I love it. It's more comfortable and *much* more protective than my old pad. Hopefully, quality construction of the newer pads will offset the initial $$'s by lasting longer and reducing the effective cost. Dave -snip- > I have an old Cooper chest protector and I love it. Problem is, due to its age and design in those days, there are a few gaps around the front(?) of the elbows and the shoulders - basically, where modern protectors make a point to protect. Because I am so comfortable with the old equipment, I don't want to give it up and would like to add-on the necessary parts. Has anyone tried this? Or would it be better to just get a new one? > > David Zeigler > ---------------==============================--------------- David Chapman Internet: dchap@vnet.ibm.com IBM Microelectronics IBM net: dchap@btv.ibm.com (802) 769-7540 (tieline 446) vnet: dchap at btv ---------------==============================--------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Kelsey Subject: updating equipment -Reply Date: 19 Mar 1997 12:23:26 -0600 David - I just upgraded from a Cooper that I have had for 5 or 6 years to a new Battram unit - My advice is to bite the bullet and get a new unit. I have worn the new unit for about ten games now and have yet to get bruised. It took about a game to get used to it because of the added bulk. With the old Cooper I used to have trouble getting banged in the elbow - and even went so far as to wear an addtional elbow pad (old knee pad from my basketball days) over the elbow - but it would never stay in place and was quite restrictive. The Cooper is fine for most of the shots I go up against, but when you are facing someone who has played at the upper high school or college level - it can some up a bit short once in a while.... Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: SABP 22 Date: 19 Mar 1997 13:48:09 -0500 Jeez, sounds like everyone who has one of these is buying a Battram upper body pad. I would get killer bruises on the inside of my arm about every other game. The cooper unit has lots of padding, but it just never seemed to be in the right place. Better than half of the upper arm shots I deflect would result in a nasty bruise. Also, when scrambling down on the ice (in a pileup or whatever) the elbow pad never seemed to be in the right place. No matter what I did or how I adjusted the pads, my elbows would smack hard down into the ice and bruise and get sore. If you have a Cooper SABP 22, I feel sorry for you, because we all know you're suffering needlessly -- buy the Battram pad! Trust me, it will take less time to adjust to the new pad than you think (1 game for me). The only change I had to make was how I put my equipment on. I can't tie my bandanna on or put on my collar if my arms are in the sleves of the unit. So I just do that after I poke my head through the body part of the pad, then slip my arms in. Adjusting to the pad on the ice was very very easy. Trust me, you'll be used to your Battram pad before all the bruises from your cooper fade. How about putting that in the catalog Scott: "You'll be used to our new pad before the bruises from your old pad fade out -- we gurantee it" Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: updating equipment Date: 19 Mar 1997 12:25:59 -0800 (PST) Hi guys, I have updated several pieces of equipment. Since I do needlepoint the stitching isn't a problem. What I used to do was buy bits from used sporting goods places and attach them. You don't need anything fancy to do this with, just a set of large needles. My only concern is that if your equipment is getting too old you might start getting hurt in it anyway, but if it's reasonably in good shape it should be OK. If you need stitching tips drop me a post and I'll help you out with how to hand stitch so that it stays put. Myself I like to just get new stuff now but I hate breaking it in! Hope this helps, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: updating equipment Date: 19 Mar 1997 12:42:52 -0800 >I have updated several pieces of equipment. Since I do needlepoint the >stitching isn't a problem. What I used to do was buy bits from used >sporting goods places and attach them. You don't need anything fancy to do >this with, just a set of large needles. My only concern is that if your >equipment is getting too old you might start getting hurt in it anyway, >but if it's reasonably in good shape it should be OK. If you need >stitching tips drop me a post and I'll help you out with how to hand >stitch so that it stays put. Myself I like to just get new stuff now but I >hate breaking it in! One of my criteria in buying new equipment is "break-in ability"...that is, could I use this piece of equipment right away, or will it take some breaking in beforehand? When I bought Scott's upper body, I was pleased to find that it wasn't that stiff, and I could wear it right away and is being "game situation molded". I've found that pads, skates and trappers are the worst. On a side note, I'd like to hear from everyone that has a Battram trapper. I recently had to re-lace the pocket on my old one, but the padding isn't what it used to be (It's an older Cooper), and it's definately time to replace it. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalie30@juno.com (nick f van cleve) Subject: helmet? Date: 19 Mar 1997 17:49:25 EST does anybody know what brand helmet ed belfour uses? i really want to buy one-- thanks nick- goalie30@juno.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Chapman Subject: Re: helmet? Date: 19 Mar 1997 17:54:51 -0500 Warwick... home page at: http://asoftware.com/warwick-custom-masks/ Dave > > does anybody know what brand helmet ed belfour uses? > > i really want to buy one-- > > thanks > > nick- > goalie30@juno.com > ---------------==============================--------------- David Chapman Internet: dchap@vnet.ibm.com IBM Microelectronics IBM net: dchap@btv.ibm.com (802) 769-7540 (tieline 446) vnet: dchap at btv ---------------==============================--------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: helmet? Date: 19 Mar 1997 15:21:38 -0800 Nick asks: >does anybody know what brand helmet ed belfour uses? that's a Miska helmet. Miska's old home page is up at http://members.aol.com/mwdesigns/miska.html (includes photos of eddie's new helmet" and they have a new home page at http://www.miskadesigns.com some very nice work, too! stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Chapman Subject: Re: helmet? Date: 19 Mar 1997 18:36:32 -0500 I think it's actually a Warwick helmet with a Miska graphic design painted on... Is Miska the artist who also painted your helmet, Stormwind? Dave > Nick asks: > >does anybody know what brand helmet ed belfour uses? > > that's a Miska helmet. > > Miska's old home page is up at > http://members.aol.com/mwdesigns/miska.html > (includes photos of eddie's new helmet" > > and they have a new home page at > http://www.miskadesigns.com > > some very nice work, too! > > stormwind > > hell's amazon > lord of the frozen realm > ---------------==============================--------------- David Chapman Internet: dchap@vnet.ibm.com IBM Microelectronics IBM net: dchap@btv.ibm.com (802) 769-7540 (tieline 446) vnet: dchap at btv ---------------==============================--------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: helmet? Date: 19 Mar 1997 15:41:09 -0800 Dave asks: >I think it's actually a Warwick helmet with a Miska graphic design painted on... that's exactly the case, in fact. they mention this at http://members.aol.com/mwdesigns/new.html >Is Miska the artist who also painted your helmet, Stormwind? nope. the Ice Dragon helmet was painted by fantasy artist Larry Dixon, who designed the whole thing. the only instructions he had was that the kanji characters for "ice dragon" had to be on the front somewhere, and that the rest of it needed a dragon. i shrieked when i pulled it out of the box; i had no idea what he'd designed. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Zeigler Subject: Re: updating equipment Date: 19 Mar 1997 23:57:12 -0600 (CST) Thanks for the response. (Un?)Fortunately, it looks like I'll be replacing the old protector. However, if it's alright with you, would you mind if I contacted you again later? My glove needs some repair and I love it too much to part with it. I had tried stitching it myself - a decent job but lost too much blood to call it a pleasurable experience!Maybe you could offer some tips..? Thanks, David Zeigler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: updating equipment Date: 20 Mar 1997 01:01:55 -0500 (EST) I Believe its Heaton or it could be Brians, that made a goalie jersey that has sewn in added protection on the arms and shoulder area.....The jersey costs about $89. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: updating equipment Date: 20 Mar 1997 01:09:49 -0500 (EST) Dave, So many people replied to your mail, who are you looking to keep contact with? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: updating equipment -Reply Date: 20 Mar 1997 09:03:12 -0500 William Kelsey wrote: David - I just upgraded from a Cooper that I have had for 5 or 6 years to a new Battram unit - My advice is to bite the bullet and get a new unit. I have worn the new unit for about ten games now and have yet to get bruised. It took about a game to get used to it because of the added bulk. With the old Cooper I used to have trouble getting banged in the elbow - and even went so far as to wear an addtional elbow pad (old knee pad from my basketball days) over the elbow - but it would never stay in place and was quite restrictive. The Cooper is fine for most of the shots I go up against, but when you are facing someone who has played at the upper high school or college level - it can some up a bit short once in a while.... Bill I found that my rec league Cooper did the same. But the $219.00 I spent on a Reactor 5 pad was well worth it. The added bulk takes some getting used to as does the reduced sensation when the puck hits you, but the pad broke in after 2 or 3 wearings and now is as comfortable as my old one. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: updating equipment Date: 20 Mar 1997 09:17:54 -0500 Steve Langevin wrote:  
One of my criteria in buying new equipment is "break-in ability"...that is,
could I use this piece of equipment right away, or will it take some breaking
in beforehand?  When I bought Scott's upper body, I was pleased to find that
it wasn't that stiff, and I could wear it right away and is being "game
situation
molded".  I've found that pads, skates and trappers are the worst.
I just upgraded my skates from the Bauer Impact 57 to the 4000 (the kid needed skates and my 12 year old - yes Aron for the Goal Camp attendees) now wears my size).  Anyway, I wore them twice during open skating and they were ready for game use!  What a difference!!  The impact of pucks is felt much less, stability is greatly improved, not to mention the increased shielding for ankles.  Remember I'm an "old-school" goalie who learned in the 60's the "skate save."  (Anybody remember the skate save?)

Anyway, can't complain about the breakins on any of my Canstar (er Nike) stuff!

R ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Zeigler Subject: Updating Equipment - thanks Date: 20 Mar 1997 09:55:14 -0600 (CST) To everyone who responded: Thanks for the help. It really made the decision easier listening to those who have travelled this path before. Right now I'm just going to finish out the "season" before I retire/repair certain pieces of equipment. Anyways, thanks for all your help. David Zeigler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAULSTERN@aol.com Subject: Re: helmet? Date: 20 Mar 1997 17:39:47 -0500 (EST) About Ed Belfour's helmet: I believe he uses a Warwick. They are excellent, but quite expensive. I know of a shop here in Colorado that has Warwicks and can get more. Let me know if you would like the contact and phone number. Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j-ordonez@juno.com (John A Ordonez) Subject: Re: PIAS Date: 20 Mar 1997 19:09:02 EST On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:33:59 -0500 "Steven Sanyal" writes: >In any case, I thought I'd mention that I think that customers have >the ability to sell stuff directly through the store, on a commissioned >basis. >In that case you get to set the price, and the store keeps some of the >profit (I forget the %). When I have sold stuff, they usually give me >50% of what they will resell it for. I guess it seems like a crappy deal, >but if they do what flea markets do and only have a 20% markup, they are >not going to be able to cover overhead costs (which a flea market >establishment does not have to worry about as much). > >Steve In NYC, for a short time there was a vendor that sold stuff like this (though for a much smaller cut than 50%). This is how I sold my old equipment; I gave him my stuff and we created a list as to how much each item was and he sold them to anyone who came into the store at the designated price. I though this was a great idea!! I won because I got more than what he would have paid me had he have to resell it after paying me outright. The next owner won because they got decent equipment at a reasonable price (far less than what the other list members are saying about Play it Again Sports outlets). They store owner won to because NOT ONLY did he get a commission, but because the prices were very reasonable there was always a quick turnaround time on the used pieces (little storage required). Plus, every time someone came in to buy used stuff, often he would sell them new stuff too (ex. - want a stick to go along with that blocker???). What eventually happened was he sold the store to another person who decided not to continue the practice. Which was a shame because it worked out so well for so many people (namely me). Question: Source for Sports also has a "used equipment" department. How are those price (as compared to PIAS)? John Ordonez "Now what kind of Mickey Mouse organization would name their team 'The Ducks'?????" ***Quote from Bugs Bunny to Daffy Duck - SPACEJAM the movie *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: helmet? Date: 21 Mar 1997 17:26:55 -0500 (EST) I think it's a Warwick, because when I visited their home page, it showed his helmet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: carl.rochon@cyberstore.ca (Carl Rochon) Subject: Workout Program Date: 22 Mar 1997 17:04:03 -0800 (PST) Matt, I was cruising our e-mail in hopes that someone had actually sent=20 something to me specifically, when I came across your call for advice=20 regarding your workout program. After reading your entry and the various=20 replies I thought I'd add in my 2cents worth. Just so you know where I'm "coming from" here is my brief=20 background. My name is Diana Lynne DeMan and I am the owner of Dynamic=20 Fitness in Whistler,B.C.. Along with my BPE and background in Athletic=20 Therapy, I am a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist. I have=20 always worked with either individual athletes or teams on all parts of their= =20 conditioning programs. My acute interest in sports nutrition has led me to= =20 do extensive schooling on the subject. And as luck would have it, hockey=20 players are near and dear to me,so I spend a lot of time developing hockey= =20 specific conditioning programs. I hope the info that I put down for you here will help you create a= =20 healthy lifestyle/conditioning program for yourself or turn you onto=20 qualified professionals in your area. So here it goes..... 40 lbs, huh? First off your plan of attack seems reasonable. As was= =20 mentioned in a couple of the replies, you need to look at attacking body fat= =20 loss from both the diet and exercise angles. Research shows that by=20 modifying your lifestyle to include eating healthy, balanced meals and=20 snacks and regular exercise you have the best chance of decreasing body fat= =20 ( and keeping it off ) and improving overall condition ( cardiovascular and= =20 muscular ). The way to lose body fat via exercise is through aerobic activity.= =20 Aerobic activity for fat loss has been traditionally prescribed as 3 to 4= =20 times per week for 30 minutes or longer. Recently, the American College of= =20 Sportsmedicine has indicated that 30 mins of aerobic activity per day should= =20 be the norm for healthy living. What does this mean to you? It means that=20 you can continue to do your routine of 3 - 4 times per week, 15 mins at a=20 time on the different pieces of cardio equipment. Sometimes just go for 30= =20 mins straight on one piece of eqipment, or depending how busy your facility= =20 is, warmup up on the bike, for instance, for 5 -10 mins and then go on the= =20 climber for 20 - 25 mins. But it isn't good enough to just peddle away for 1/2 hour. To=20 improve both your cardio conditioning and fat loss you need to workout at a= =20 sufficient intensity. That intensity is what is commomly referred to as your= =20 "target training zone". The training zone of choice to start out with is=20 usually between 60% to 85% of you max heart rate. To calculate this use the= =20 following : Max heart rate =3D 220 - age; resting heart rate =3D ? ( take before= =20 getting up out of bed if possible); ( max ht rt - resting ht rt) x intesity + resting ht rt =3D training zone ie.( 190 - 65 ) x 65% + 65 =3D 146 beats per minute For body fat loss you can go about it in two different ways, you can= =20 go at a lower training intensity ( ie. 65% ) for longer ( ie. 45 mins to 1= =20 hour ) such as on a hike with friends or family ; or you can increase your= =20 intensity ( as long as your body is prepared for it ) to 75% or 80% and go= =20 for a shorter period ( like what usually happens in a workout facility ).=20 Both ways can burn about the same amount of calories during the activity,=20 but research has shown a difference in the "afterburn" effect in comparing= =20 the two. The "afterburn" is the increase in your body's metabolic rate post= =20 activity. Studies have shown that those individuals who choose the higher=20 intensity, shorter duration method have a greater and longer afterburn than= =20 those that take it slow and long. So the choice of which way to do your aerobic activity is up to you.= =20 If you don't have 45 mins to do a cardio workout each and every day, then=20 crank it up for a shorter period of time. My best advice is to mix it up. 3= =20 - 4 times per week go a little harder and the other 2 - 3 times take it=20 easy. Your body will appreciate the hard/easy workout method. And always=20 schedule at least one whole day off in a week. Finally, the good news from the ACSM is that if you have packed=20 full days like I do you CAN get results from splitting up your cardio=20 workouts. For instance, you may have 15 mins to walk the dog in the morning= =20 before work, 15 - 20 mins on you lunch hour to go for another brisk walk and= =20 when you get to the gym another 10 - 15 mins on the skate machine. Your fat= =20 loss benefits are pretty close to being dead-on-the-same as with a straight= =20 30 min workout ( especially if you have gotten better quality work in those= =20 three separate sessions ). The second half of the fat loss equation is healthy eating choices.= =20 First off, one of the other replies was right that 2 lbs per week is a bit= =20 stiff. On a program like this you would end up denying your body food that= =20 it needs for activity, you'd get hungry and may binge or grab a quick fix=20 high fat and calorie snack, instead of modifying your approach to fueling=20 your body. For fat loss you would be wiser and healthier in choosing to lose=20 1/2 lb to 1 lb per week. This would mean an energy balance of -500 calories= =20 per day to lose 1 lb per week. So you could work it out to burn 250 calories= =20 in aerobic activity and choose to eat 250 less calories per day. This may be= =20 an easier strategy to swallow than trying to restrict too many calories in a= =20 day. The best eating strategy is balance. And this is where the hard part= =20 comes in. There are SO many books out there claiming that one eating program= =20 is better than the other and that this particular food matching, etc.. will= =20 give you more energy and make you less fat than another. What works? Well,= =20 what nutritionists and food scientists will tell you is a balance of all the= =20 major nutrients with an emphasis on carbohydrates. Carbs should make up=20 55%-60% of your caloric intake in a day; with 15%-20% of calories derived=20 from protein; 20%-25% from fats. If you follow the Canada Food Guide for=20 Healthy Eating you will be on the right track. An immensely useful nutrition= =20 book is Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook. It explains our bodies=20 needs for the different nutrients and the roles they play in our bodies. As= =20 well, she uses case studies to illustrate answers to common questions.=20 Finally, the book includes tasty recipes. Another good nutrition resource is= =20 the "Sport Nutrition for the Athletes of Canada" Workbook available from the= =20 Sportsmedicine Council of Canada. The BC Dairy Foundation also puts out=20 extremely useful handouts for individuals to use as tools to develop a=20 healthy eating action plan - I'm sure other Dairy Foundations across the=20 country have similar resources. I'm just going to comment briefly on the "Enter the Zone" book. I'm= =20 sure this comment will draw fire from those that follow this diet plan=20 religiously. To date there have not been any well controlled studies on the= =20 effectiveness of the zone diet. The premise is that the increase in insulin= =20 after eating a carb rich meal is bad and makes your body store more fat, and= =20 that consistently eating a carb rich diet makes you fat period. The reality is that the fuel of choice of your body is glycogen.=20 The glycogen comes from the breakdown of carbs. Glycogen is immediate energy= =20 within the muscles,it is the energy source for the brain and carbs are=20 always being burned as fuel even in ultra-endurance events. Research shows= =20 that if there are insufficient carbs for energy the body cannot function at= =20 a given exercise intensity. Further,that in it's quest for glycogen, the=20 body will breakdown protein to meet its demands. Because protein is not=20 stored as protein ( it is used for tissue repair and building of muscles,=20 excess protein - like excess carbs and fats - is stored as fat ) the protein= =20 is taken from your muscles to fuel the fire. In studies that have been done and through anecdotal evidence from= =20 nutritionists case files, the max amount of weight lost on this plan is=20 approximately 10 lbs. Some of that loss is water loss. As well, since the best sources of protein come from meat, there is= =20 an increase risk of more fat calories being added to the daily diet as meat= =20 sources are traditionally higher in fat. And if you are on a tight budget,= =20 meat is much more expensive than breads, grains and pastas. Finally, while= =20 we know that athletes do need more protein in their diet, studies of eating= =20 patterns show that we all tend to eat more protein than we need on a regular= =20 basis. The best tips for healthy eating and weight management I've learned= =20 recently come from Patricia Chuey who is a well respected Registered=20 Dietician/Sports Nutritionist : eat breakfast within 2 hours of waking up to= =20 stabilize blood sugars; eat 3 meals a day that have at least 3 of the 4 food= =20 groups represented; don't go longer than 3 hours without eating ( breakfast,= =20 snack, lunch, snack, dinner ); keep hydrating - always have a bottle of=20 water with you; emphasize carbs but balance them out with sufficient protein= =20 and some fat; limit caffiene and fat consumption; "frontload" - eat before= =20 you need it; work on balance and consistency versus avoidance. Look for good quality foods. We get fat from too little exercise or= =20 activity and too many calories,irregardless of where those calories come= from. Remember, if you make healthy, high quality food choices 80% of the= =20 time, it isn't a big deal what happens the other 20% of the time. One of the repliers mentioned his use of the supplements chromium,= =20 L-carnitine. For the record, L-carnitine has NOT been shown to increase fat= =20 oxidation and chromium has only been found useful to those people who are=20 truly chromium deficient ( you would need to be analyzed to possibly find=20 that you are deficient ). As with all supplements one has to look at where= =20 the original research came from and whether it actually proves anything.=20 More work still needs to be done in this area. I've touched mostly on aerobic activity and nutrition because you= =20 stated your goal is to lose body fat. But like the others, I will touch on= =20 using weight training to round out your program. Like balancing out your eating habits, you should endeavour to=20 balance out your weight training program as well. One way I find useful to= =20 get yourself started is to focus on your core body. Your core is from your= =20 shoulders to your knees. And to begin with you can effectively train this=20 area with a fewer number of exercises than you might think. My exercises of= =20 choice are : Leg Press or Squats Pushups or Benchpress Lat PullDown ( to the front ) Barbell or Dumbell Upright Row Seated Row Abs : curlup, reverse curlup, oblique twist with a medicine ball Back extension ( on a mat ) Need to do biceps and triceps? Narrow grip chin up and Tricep Dips on a= bench To gain some strength and tone you are looking at 2-3 sets of 10-15= =20 reps with 1 1/2 minutes or less rest inbetween sets. Because this is a total= =20 body workout you would ensure that you always have a day rest before the=20 next weight workout. The rest allows the muscles to adapt to the training=20 stimulus. Each rep should take 5-6 secs to complete. By the way, if you are doing weight training because you've heard= =20 that the increased muscle mass will increase you metabolic rate and=20 therefore burn more calories, you could be out of luck. Recent research has= =20 shown no increase in metabolic rate with the increase in lean tissue from=20 weight training. However, stronger more coordinated muscles and muscle=20 movement will allow you to engage in more varied activities for longer which= =20 will burn more calories. Now the weight training program above is only one type. My best=20 advice to you is to engage the services of a personal trainer or=20 conditioning specialist to help devise a program for you and your specific= =20 goals. More importantly, this professional will teach you proper form,=20 posture, technique for the exercises she/he gives you.So many times people= =20 workout counterproductively and do more harm than good. I hope this helps! Any questions from you Matt or anyone else? Just= =20 fire them off. And good luck to you!! Take care, Diana. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 22 Mar 1997 13:20:26 -0800 Here a modified simple plain english (sorry don't speak french) of how to workout for goaltenders. This is more in the line of getting to become a better goaltender, not lose weight or things. First, wake make a couple of toast and put what ever you want on it ,but not a whole bunch of fat stuff. And then get some eggs too . Have two or 1 egg yolk in the pan and put as many egg whites you want for protein. Don't put too many yolk it will raise your chlosteral (sp) Don't take any dairy products like milk or cheese. Eat: toast -bread-carboadrayetes egg whites-proteins (i take 8 egg white and 2 yolk) Juice Oatmill with water After eating go stretch while watching tv for an 45 mins Grab a carbo drink- Twin Lab Ultra Fuel - You'll be workingut for 3 hours. do stairmaster or bike for 10 min go grab a drink of water or check out the people at the gym for 5 min Go to the abs bench and do crunches or whatever exercise that has to do with abs. 30 min ( do like 6 sets w/50 reps)(Or do as many as your jersey # is or role model,just hope it isn't Puppa in the set) Walk around for 5 Go to back extenstion do 6 by 50 or you could do 3 by 25 slow ones w/no rest at the end of each rep or full tension. 20min Do back pull downs 1 warm up set and 2 sets of slow 15 reps. do 3 sets of 50 reps push up do 6 sets of 25 dips grab a 10 pound plate on each hand and extend it to the side and make small circle motion and large ones forward and back ward and to the side with the arm slighlty bent.and whatever else you can think of. Now for the third hour you jump on the bike for 60 min and start peddling like it was the stanley cup final game 7 triple overtime . And if your in a packed gym with other guys on the bike make sure your on the bike longer then everyone that was there when you stared. And if you have to stop,stop on the 20 ,40 or 60 mark. This is a on season workout. You don't have to do leg workout with weights,during the on season. Do power skating, jump up stairs do alternating lunges with dumbells in hand(great for recovery from knee drop) Great book for skating is Laura stamn's power Skating book. Best book in the world.IN the universe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 23 Mar 1997 09:08:13 -0500 At 01:20 PM 3/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >Here a modified simple plain english (sorry don't speak french) of how >to workout for goaltenders. This is more in the line of getting to >become a better goaltender, not lose weight or things. >First, wake make a couple of toast and put what ever you want on it ,but >not a whole bunch of fat stuff. And then get some eggs too . Have two or >1 egg yolk in the pan and put as many egg whites you want for protein. >Don't put too many yolk it will raise your chlosteral (sp) Don't take >any dairy products like milk or cheese. > >Eat: toast -bread-carboadrayetes > egg whites-proteins (i take 8 egg white and 2 yolk) > Juice > Oatmill with water > >After eating go stretch while watching tv for an 45 mins >Grab a carbo drink- Twin Lab Ultra Fuel - You'll be workingut for 3 >hours. > >do stairmaster or bike for 10 min > >go grab a drink of water or check out the people at the gym for 5 min > >Go to the abs bench and do crunches or whatever exercise that has to do >with abs. 30 min ( do like 6 sets w/50 reps)(Or do as many as your >jersey # is or role model,just hope it isn't Puppa in the set) > >Walk around for 5 >Go to back extenstion do 6 by 50 or you could do 3 by 25 slow ones w/no >rest at the end of each rep or full tension. 20min > >Do back pull downs 1 warm up set and 2 sets of slow 15 reps. > >do 3 sets of 50 reps push up >do 6 sets of 25 dips > >grab a 10 pound plate on each hand and extend it to the side and make >small circle motion and large ones forward and back ward and to the side >with the arm slighlty bent.and whatever else you can think of. > >Now for the third hour you jump on the bike for 60 min and start >peddling like it was the stanley cup final game 7 triple overtime . And >if your in a packed gym with other guys on the bike make sure your on >the bike longer then everyone that was there when you stared. And if you >have to stop,stop on the 20 ,40 or 60 mark. >----------------------------------------------- >This is a on season workout. You don't have to do leg workout with >weights,during the on season. Do power skating, jump up stairs do >alternating lunges with dumbells in hand(great for recovery from knee >drop) Great book for skating is Laura stamn's power Skating book. Best >book in the world.IN the universe > > > So do all that above for 3 hours a day, and I will become a better goalie eh?? Gosh, if I had of known that I would have started a long time ago!! hehehe... Is'nt 3 hours in the gym each a day an awful lot of work?? I always have understood that 45 min - 90 min was the best way... Also, how on earth would you have any energy left to play the game that night... I am in decent shape and condition, and I play 3 times on Sunday mornings (3 hours) and by about 2pm all I want to do is sleep... Thats the basic routine of pros... morning skate, then go back and sleep during the day, and play at night... But there morning skate isnt 3 hours either... maybe 1 hour 15 min... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: PROTEC - NEW SYNTHETIC LEATHER Date: 23 Mar 1997 09:27:50 -0500 Hi there, Just wanted to inform everyone of yet another new synthetic leather out there in goal equipment business, and so far from our use and tests, looks like it may be a great material... The new stuff is called PROTEC, and the best thing about it, its made in the USA, rather than Japan or Korea like MATRIX or JENRINO. As you may or may not known, SOFRINA, no longer is available, and its replacement is MATRIX, we used MATRIX for a couple of sample pads and gloves, we found it to be poor as opposed to SOFRINA which was the standard for close to 10 years or more, the MATRIX was hard and stiff, and the external layer looked plastic, and didnt have a nice leathery look to it. SO we began using the new JENRINO (some of the old stuff from 2 years ago was not the best but it has improved greatly over the last few years, and now the product is very good, almost comperable to SOFRIN, just the top layer needs some more texture to it) Jenrino is softer, and has a nicer look than MATRIX, therefor it works on gloves nicely where there are alot of countours and bends for the material to wrap around, the MATRIX tends to wrinkle in this area, and since its harder it makes harder breakin on the catch glove. This new PROTEC, is very impressive, it is very much like the SOFRINA from Japan, and infact, when I got my 10 yard sample I thought it was... its also soft and has a nice texture to it... Although we have only used it as high-lites so far on gloves and pads, we will be testing it on full sets... but I think it will produce great results. The best thing, is that its North American made... we try to keep our business in Canada or the US as much as possible.. and the synthetics leathers were the only stuff we had to bring in "off-shore products". Generally, the "off-shore" nylons and other products are poorer quality than those made in the States or Canada... espeically in the nylons... we only use CONSOLTEX nylons, they make the best stuff in the world. Alot of people in this business use off shore nylons because they buy them for $3.00 a yard as opposed to $6.50 a yard for the 400 D nylon... but this stuff is lite, and it frays badly. I will inform you more on our test gear with the PROTEC, so far as I know it only comes in Black/White/Blue/Red but new colours will be added in the very near future... Our Jenrino lineup of colours is now up to about 15 colours... but only 8 or so apply to the hockey colours... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: e-mail Address Change Date: 24 Mar 1997 00:35:04 -0500 Howdy all: As of Wednesday of this week, my current e-mail Address will be invalid. Please send all messages to x96malicki@wmich.edu . Thank you for your support. Matt Malicki -------------------- x96malicki@wmich.edu "Take life one day at a time" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 23 Mar 1997 19:09:52 -0500 (EST) hey eat lots of bacon! bacon sandwich for breakfast. bacon sandwich for lunch and dinner from a bottle! i have lots of friends that play professionally at various levels and lets just say they don't spend massive amounts of time trying to separate egg yolks from the whites ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 23 Mar 1997 13:33:45 -0800 >so do all that above for 3 hours a day, and I will become a better >goalie >eh?? NO, video tape a lot of games and watch the goalies in slow motion ,skating and makeing saves and when his head turns and then pretende your in the game and think what you would do then think why the goalie did what he did then watch it in fast motion or real time and ask your self why he did what he did. Until then you would become a better goalie. don't forget about stick handleing. >>Is'nt 3 hours in the gym each a day an awful lot of work?? Not on your off day,don't forget your taking little rest. Just think that the shooter thinks he's hot shit and that you can stop anything. If you get scored on ask yourself "if patrick roy was playing would that have gone in"? I put in fichaud ,storr or someone born in 1975. No excueses. Most pro goalies don't do upper body or lower body weight lifting just 1 hour of strecthes and bike and tredmill. The 3 hours go by fast and your not lifting heavey anyways. >I always have understood that 45 min - 90 min was the best way... Also, >how on earth would you have any energy left to play the game that >night... Don't do it on game day. At first when you start you'll be tired but after it'll be routine and just a walk in the park.Get the Twin lab carbo drink "Ultra fuel" at GNC if there is one in canada. >I am in decent shape and condition, and I play 3 times on Sunday >mornings (3 hours) and by about 2pm all I want to do is sleep... Just think overtime and stanley cup game 7 against montreal >Thats the basic routine of pros... morning skate, then go back and >sleep during the day, and play at night... But there morning skate isnt >3 hours >either... maybe 1 hour 15 min... YOu just have to get psyc and love hockey or go home. Never ever in a million year would i ever be sick of hockey. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 24 Mar 1997 08:11:52 -0500 At 07:09 PM 3/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >hey > eat lots of bacon! bacon sandwich for breakfast. bacon sandwich >for lunch and dinner from a bottle! i have lots of friends that play >professionally at various levels and lets just say they don't spend massive >amounts of time trying to separate egg yolks from the whites > > > No kidding eh... When my friend was in the NHL, he received 150.00 US a day in "meal money" when on the road... most times, the guys would head up to McDonalds or something like that, spend about, 8 bucks on a meal, and keep the rest for liquid refreshment if you know what I mean!! haha (Since breakfast is included in most places price where they stay, the only food they would have to look after was there lunch...and a team meal would be had about 3 or so in the afternoon after they wake up...) Tough life.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Cohen Subject: progress sports Date: 24 Mar 1997 19:33:28 +0100 (MET) Hi Guys, I was wondering if anyone has heard of the company progress sports or edge equipment?=20 Paul Cohen The 5th Year of the, Paul Cohen=B4s One-On-One Specialized Goaltending Instruction E-mail : cohen@brunner.vol.at Tel. Nr. Austria 0043-5578-76962 Tel. Nr. Canada 905-619-9229 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: Workout Program Date: 25 Mar 1997 02:38:59 -0500 On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Andy Tu wrote: > >so do all that above for 3 hours a day, and I will become a better >goalie > >eh?? > > NO, video tape a lot of games and watch the goalies in slow motion > ,skating and makeing saves and when his head turns and then pretende > your in the game and think what you would do then think why the goalie > did what he did then watch it in fast motion or real time and ask your > self why he did what he did. Until then you would become a better > goalie. don't forget about stick handleing. > ack. Why watch tape when you can stop pucks? It's true that you'll have a better game if you do a lot of visualization and stuff, but I fail to see why watching a ton of tapes of other goalies would be useful. Sure, it's nice to analyze once in a while, but when it really comes down to it, you'd want to be watching tape of yourself. For example, sometimes when I'm fighting the puck, I'll kinda hop into my butterfly. Bad habit, fortunately it doesn't show up much any more except when I'm really playing bad. But I still have my friend chastise me if he ever sees me do it. Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is that being in shape is good. Hell, for the level of hockey most of us are playing, it probably isn't even necessary to be in shape. But it's not required that you do all this weight training and stuff (although I do it). If you really want to get better, grab as much ice time as you can. Stop pucks. Practise skating. Practise mock saves and recovery. When you have some time to contemplate, think about why you made saves and why you didn't. There is no substitute for a ton of vulcanized rubber delivered by good shooters, followed by a little simple self-evaluation (don't forget to include third party observers -- you often miss a lot in your own style). If you can't get ice, go out in your driveway and have a friend shoot pucks off a piece of plywood (I spent a lot of summers doing this). A good goaltender evolves out of experience. -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Season's end Date: 25 Mar 1997 02:52:17 -0500 Oh well, another season goes by. They're taking the ice off at skule, and I can't afford summer hockey (I think *crosses fingers*). Unfortunately, it's ending on a kind of sour note. I played well in our playoff game on Saturday, but we lost 4-2 (empty net goal). The other team was a lot better talent wise and we were missing three guys, but we hung in there. I came up with a good split stop on a breakaway Mike Richter style - forward came in, made a few fakes, then broke to my blocker side. First goal was a slick passing play by the other side...guy cut across the crease point blank and I got left behind. Second goal, breakaway, I got a piece of it with my right pad (he went for the five hole), then it hit off my defenceman's skate and trickled in. Last goal, stopped the screen shot, stopped the rebound, stopped the rebound of the rebound, was finally down and out and they poked it in. well, I should have let that be the end, but I played the last shinny session today and I just stunk. Fighting the puck massively, nothing to show for it but a few half-decent glove saves. all in all, though it was a good year. Played well for two teams, faced lots of shots, made some decent saves. And got to practice with the U of Toronto Varsity Blues once. For me, that was sweet stuff - the best hockey I've played. Doesn't say much for me, but I'm happy. Have like 10 bruises on my upper body (damn, scott, I need one of your monkey suits!), but it feels good. -MOSSey (yes, this is just a personal ramble) "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: End of season... Date: 25 Mar 1997 10:32:18 -0500 Well the season ended for me with of a bit of a twist - a bad one. Our intermural league season had their playoffs last week and we were one of the 8 teams to make it. We played our first game and won 7-3. We were up 5-0, and decided to take a breather. Despite the lopsided score, I had to make a lot of good saves, and my effort was probably my best this season. With the pressure of my final year (thesis, etc.), I have been extremely busy - I haven't even had time to make the Monday and Friday shinny sessions at Varsity arena. Unfortunately, the next day, I received a call from our team captain - we had been disqualified. You need to play in at least two games of the regular season to play for your team in the playoffs. One of our guys had only played before the last game, but he played that one, so he had played his two. The incompetence of the supervisors from the intermural office is worth note though, since they did not put his name down when he showed his student card. As a result, when he played for us during our playoff game, and they checked the roster sheet afterwards, he was declared an ineligible player. We were disqualified. The team we played (and beat 7-3) got the win as a result, and won the semis, and moved on to the finals where they lost 3-2. I think that we could have won the thing. Kind of a sour note to end my university hockey days. Though you never know, if I get into Western for my Masters.... Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jvandam@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us" Subject: unsubscribe Date: 25 Mar 1997 17:05:04 -0500 I have somehow been attached to your mailing list will you please take me off this list. Thanks, jvandam@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: Used equipment Date: 26 Mar 1997 01:36:29 -0500 A be-lated thanks to all who responded to my used equipment request, I printed out all your messages and forwarded them to the prospective goaltender. ob-goalie: Tonight was the end of our winter season, and we won the final game. I guess I played pretty well, but unless there's a big fat zero on the scoreboard, I always feel I could have done better :-). Tonight saw a few firsts for me: a couple of twilight-zone goals, one hits me in the chest, and somehow keeps going up my chest until it rolls over my shoulder and into the net; another sneaks through an impossibly small armpit hole and finds its way in. All that talk about the "Hextall school of crease etiquette" must have had some effect on me, because I nearly got my first penalty this evening. One of the "hot shot" (read: cherry picker) players came in tight and shot, I sent the puck to my stick side, behind the net; he skates through the crease and takes my stick with him behing the net. I nearly pull him down trying to get it back, it finally pops loose and I give him a few good whacks in the shins and offer some colorful metaphors and choice language. Next time its going to be those tender unprotected calves not the front of his shin pads. But hey, all the trash talking and yelling on the ice still can't change the fact that we outshot, outskated and overall outplayed them; so I guess I did get the last laugh. Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: New Goalie Web Site Date: 27 Mar 1997 22:38:53 -0500 Hi All, I'm working on a Web site for Pro-Masque (custom fitted goalie masks). It's at http://www.promasque.com. I have some pictures of some pretty cool paint jobs they have done. You can click on the thumbnail and the larger picture (size is specified) will display. I am adding a section called The Goalie Factory where I plan to add more articles by coaches, and other goaltending information. I also want to add links to other popular goalie/hockey sites and fitness sites. If you have a site that you really like that I can include, please send me e-mail with the location. Any feedback will be most appreciated! Regards, Kevin Kevin R. Burgess Nashua, NH Home: krb@burghome.mv.com Work: kevinburgess@corsof.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Throat Guards Date: 28 Mar 1997 08:18:18 -0500 Hi there, I just received 10 clear throat guards yesterday along with some plastic parts I received from a company I but molded parts from, I have no idea why they sent me the throat guards... But I have 10 if anyone is interested in them let me know... I will sell these for $30.00 US or $40.00 Canadian. These are ideal for either the cage/helmet or regular goalie mask. I will also include the lace so you can lace them on to the helmet. So if you have been looking for these and cant find them, I have a few to get rid of. We also have a prototype set of 32" BPGP 500 pads laying here they have been used one time by me to test them, and they are Black and Blue. Let me know if you are interested. We made alot of changes to the BPGP 500 pad since these ones, but these would make an ideal starter set or a roller pad. We sell them new for $375.00 US, I can let these ones go for $300.00 US. I would rather have see them being used by someone than by sitting on a shelf here collecting dust! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noralee.Raymond@Dartmouth.EDU (Noralee Raymond) Subject: info, books Date: 28 Mar 1997 08:14:55 EST Hi, I am doing a large research paper for one of my classes and was wondering if any of you could give me some good books, web pages, films, ect... that might be helpful. The paper is going to be more of a personal peice for a literature class than an actual research paper on goaltending. The class is called essays of place, and the paper will consist of 3-4 sections on different aspects of goaltending. Obviously, one section will involve a physical description of the crease area (appr. 5 pages), so any book that gives a good description of that would be great. The other sections will deal with more the mentality involved with goaltending. If you care to, feel free to write about your own experiences with goaltending. What it is like to be between the pipes, be it while the play is at the other end, when you make that huge save, or when you get scored on. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I know people have asked about books before, but I didn't save the responses. So, thanks again for your time. Noralee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BLACKBEAR9@aol.com Subject: Scouting service / Goalie camp Date: 29 Mar 1997 04:33:27 -0500 (EST) Anyone ever here of Chuck Rosart of 5 Star Scouting Services? He was hired my Team New Jersey to pick the goalies for the upcoming Chicago Showcase. He invited the players he cut to attend his goalie camp. He is located in Ontario Canada at Unit 1- 4580 Victoria Ave. Your thoughts? Dan Otten Hockey Coaching Home Page http://www.Geocities.com/Colosseum/1571/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nv2c@aol.com Subject: CUSTOM FITTED GOALIE MASKS Date: 29 Mar 1997 05:03:03 -0500 (EST) Hello everyone, i'''ve been on the page just lurking and reading for about 3 weeks now, and i would like to say that i'm very impressed that the goalie union is alive and strong. My name is Nick Vitucci and i've been playing pro hockey for 9 yrs. Most of it in the echl and the IHL. The reason that I'm finally writing is to tell you about Dillion Goalie Masks. I've been using it for 2 yrs now and it is great. If anyone is interested in a custom fitted goalie mask, he sends a molding kit plus a great mask bag along with it, please let me know nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Upper body pad Date: 31 Mar 1997 11:34:00 -0800 (PST) Has anyone here had the chance to see/try on/use any model of the Vic/McM upper body pad? I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has any experience with this manufacturer. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Johnston" Subject: Re: Upper body pad Date: 31 Mar 1997 16:00:35 -0800 Hi Larry: I have the Vic/Mc.M "Lexxus" unit and I must say I have been very pleased with it. I had the opportunity to try about 6 different models from Cooper, Vaughn, and others and I liked this one the best. It did have one area on the lower arm on my blocker side that needed some padding boost, but all in all quite nice. /\ Randy Johnston /\ /\ / \ Whistler / \ /\/ \/\ /\ British Columbia / \ / \ / \/ \ Canada. / \/ \/ \ randyj@whistler.net / \ \ \ http://www.whistler.net/home/randy/index.htm ---------- > From: Larry Smith > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Upper body pad > Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 11:34 AM > > Has anyone here had the chance to see/try on/use any model of the Vic/McM > upper body pad? I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has any > experience with this manufacturer. > > Larry Smith