From: rs99@chrysler.com Subject: Hockey Goalie Listserv address Date: 04 Apr 1997 10:00:52 -0500 Could someone forward me the listserv address for subscribing to hockey-goalie list. I want to forward it to someone so they can check the list out. Thanks. Rick rs99@chrysler.com rscero@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ken handley" Subject: New to the list Date: 04 Apr 1997 12:07:50 -0700 Hello to all of you on this list. I am new as of today at least I think I am, and I would like to tell you a little about myself: Married father of three (2 boys are goalies squirt and mite travel) Coach of travel and house level kids for past 6 years Playing Senior A, B, and C leagues basically whenever anybody needs a tender. Associate instructor at two goalie camps held locally in the Cincinnati area. I am very much looking forward to being an active learning member of this list. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Update to Web Page - List Status? Date: 03 Apr 1997 18:51:37 -0700 Hi all, The list seems kind of quiet these days. Just wanted to let everyone know that I just added the latest goalie coaching article to The Goalie Factory page at http://www.promasque.com/keepinf.htm. It is written by Fred Quistgard of Quistgard Goalie Training. KRB Kevin R. Burgess Nashua, NH krb@promasque.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Johnston" Subject: Re: Update to Web Page - List Status? Date: 05 Apr 1997 16:50:26 -0800 > Hi all, > The list seems kind of quiet these days. >Kevin R. Burgess The list does tend to slow down somewhat during the summer. When the sun comes out full time you have to go outside and air yourself out. /\ Randy Johnston /\ /\ / \ Whistler / \ /\/ \/\ /\ British Columbia / \ / \ / \/ \ Canada. / \/ \/ \ randyj@whistler.net / \ \ \ http://www.whistler.net/home/randy/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Fielding" Subject: Ice Year Round? Date: 06 Apr 1997 14:37:26 -0400 Until last year Ithaca lost its ice around mid-March. With the addition of a year round facility we now have ice year-round. Just wondering how many folks out there have year-round ice and how many folks are done until October. Since it is quiet, I was wondering how prevalent the trend is for year round ice. Sure, in Canada they'll be skating on the ponds in July :^), but what about everyone else. I'm guessing the cost limits this to northern areas? Here the cost is about $150/hour of ice time. It might go up some during the summer. The other question is what are the best summer sports for goalies: I'm guessing tennis and cycling would be very good for the legs and coordination. David PS: Rented Sudden Death last night. Were the guys playing goalie real (amateur) goalies? I would think it easy to get some good goalies to play in the movie, but if you watch closely they really suck. I mean my grandmother has quicker reflexes. Oh well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: New to List Date: 06 Apr 1997 20:26:59 +0100 Hi All, My name is Alan MacLean and I'm 21 years old. I actually play Field Hockey in England for a team called South Wirral, I currently own a COOPER SK 2000 mask, much the same as that of Terreri and Osgood in the NHL, but I hoping to get my new designed mask, similar to Hextall's, Burke's, Roy's etc in a couple of weeks and hopfully have Pro-Masque put a design on it for me. Over the last few season in the NHL I've been carefully watching the goalies and have collected quite a bit of info on them, stats, style of play etc and would like to let other people know that if they require info on ANY NHL goalies over the last 7 or 8 season I would be more than happy to help them. Speak to you all again soon...Alan p.s. Keep making those saves and tell those Bob Probert's of the world what you'll do with that hockey stick if they bang into you again!! /---------------------------------------------------\ | | |Alan MacLean (CIHL:Jets GM) | |Isle Of Skye, Scotland | | | |NEED INFO/PICS ON NHL GOALIES??...GIVE ME AN E-MAIL| | | \---------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 06 Apr 1997 15:31:12 -0400 At 02:37 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Until last year Ithaca lost its ice around mid-March. With the >addition of a year round facility we now have ice year-round. > >Just wondering how many folks out there have year-round ice and >how many folks are done until October. > >Since it is quiet, I was wondering how prevalent the trend is >for year round ice. Sure, in Canada they'll be skating on the >ponds in July :^), but what about everyone else. > >I'm guessing the cost limits this to northern areas? Here the cost >is about $150/hour of ice time. It might go up some during the >summer. > >The other question is what are the best summer sports for goalies: >I'm guessing tennis and cycling would be very good for the legs >and coordination. > >David > >PS: Rented Sudden Death last night. Were the guys playing goalie >real (amateur) goalies? I would think it easy to get some good >goalies to play in the movie, but if you watch closely they really >suck. I mean my grandmother has quicker reflexes. Oh well. > > > No kidding, I saw that movie... and thought the same thing... Geez... if only the movie people knew I am available to be a goalie in movies!! hahah I can make the equipment (so they wont have to buy it) I am fairly good looking (so they wont need a stand in), and I would work cheap!! they wouldnt have a thing to lose! hahah Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: New to List Date: 06 Apr 1997 15:47:11 -0400 At 08:26 PM 4/6/97 +0100, you wrote: >Speak to you all again soon...Alan > > >p.s. Keep making those saves and tell those Bob Probert's of the world what >you'll do with that hockey stick if they bang into you again!! Hmmm... having seen Bob before... I know if he bumps into me, I would ask him if he was ok... and not do anything with my stick... But, you could give him a whack if you dont value your face! hahaha Welcome to the list Alan! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Wehlage Subject: Goalie Penalties & my new nickname (hextall) Date: 06 Apr 1997 15:21:03 -0400 Ok... I'm not usually a rough goal (i only will smack a player if they are in the crease when they are screening me, but in the last two Roller hockey games I have gotten a 2 min minor for hooking, because I stuck at a play in the crease. All i did was bring my stick around his ankles and pull. They never fall but they will leave the crease. Now i am the leading the league in Goalie pentalty mins (4mins) and no im not really proud (but the goalies are calling me Hextall now =)) I feel im doing no wrong... they are in the crease I have my right to get them out. Im afrid now to even touch them because i'll get another penality. oh yea... i tried scott's method (putting stick under there skates and kicking the blade) but when i did it... the player fell back on my stick and broke it in 2 pieces. Blake** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 06 Apr 1997 19:18:10 -0400 (EDT) >No kidding, I saw that movie... and thought the same thing... Geez... if >only the movie people knew I am available to be a goalie in movies!! hahah >I can make the equipment (so they wont have to buy it) I am fairly good >looking (so they wont need a stand in), and I would work cheap!! they >wouldnt have a thing to lose! hahah HA HA HA.. Well Scott if they knew the GOALIEBABE... I think they would have a hard time picking between us.. HA HA HA.. And just wait till I get the BATTRAM'S on me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 06 Apr 1997 22:12:28 -0400 At 07:18 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >>No kidding, I saw that movie... and thought the same thing... Geez... if >>only the movie people knew I am available to be a goalie in movies!! hahah >>I can make the equipment (so they wont have to buy it) I am fairly good >>looking (so they wont need a stand in), and I would work cheap!! they >>wouldnt have a thing to lose! hahah > > > > HA HA HA.. Well Scott if they knew the GOALIEBABE... I think they >would have a hard time picking between us.. HA HA HA.. And just wait till I >get the BATTRAM'S on me... > > > Hmmm... you or me in the movies??? I dunno Chris, you would look alot better in a figure skating suit than I would... thats for sure! hahah I better explain to the group.... Christine, came down to order some gear a week ago... all the way from New York.... she wanted to look at the equipment... spent.... well...(we timed her) about 4 minutes looking at the gloves and the pads... and ended up talking to us for about 4 hours! hahaha I then went to Brampton Ont, on the Sunday to watch her play.... she is a decent goalie... I gave her a few pointers on her game.. Her email name of Goaliebabe... well.... she is! hahah Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Goalie Penalties & my new nickname (hextall) Date: 06 Apr 1997 23:56:27 -0400 (EDT) > Ok... I'm not usually a rough goal (i only will smack a player if they are > in the crease when they are screening me, but in the last two Roller hockey > games I have gotten a 2 min minor for hooking, because I stuck at a play in > the crease. All i did was bring my stick around his ankles and pull. They > never fall but they will leave the crease. Now i am the leading the league > in Goalie pentalty mins (4mins) and no im not really proud (but the goalies > are calling me Hextall now =)) I feel im doing no wrong... they are in the > crease I have my right to get them out. Im afrid now to even touch them > because i'll get another penality. Acutally, I think the title is "Hextall -- You thug!" According to the USA Hockey Inline rule book: 619a) Hooking: A minor penalty shall be assessed to a player who impedes or seeks to impede the progress of an opponent by hooking with the stick. Points to remember. If he is in your crease that can't score any way. That is if your refs are programmed to look for that. Technically just seeking to impede is grounds for the call. Now depending on how much contact is allowed in your league, it may or not be a penalty. In the NHL, you have to pretty much pull some one down with the stick to get the call. In our House league putting the stick on the body will draw the penalty in the younger age groups. The older youth age groups will have to be pretty firm, and the adults, well they think they are in the NHL any way. In our league, the refs wouldn't call a hook for that because your stick was near their feet. If they fell you would get a trip, if not, no call. Now for the serious part. Shaking the title of of "Hextall -- You thug!" is very difficult. You may as well die your hair red and be seen in public with a Flyers jersey on. Rob -- Rob Miracle rwm@mpgn.com for webmaster@mpgn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 08:50:24 +0100 David L. Fielding wrote: > Until last year Ithaca lost its ice around mid-March. With the > addition of a year round facility we now have ice year-round. > > Just wondering how many folks out there have year-round ice and > how many folks are done until October. > Since it is quiet, I was wondering how prevalent the trend is > for year round ice. Sure, in Canada they'll be skating on the > ponds in July :^), but what about everyone else. Well, in the UK our recreational season is just starting. There are very few rinks in comparison over here, so we get what we can when we can, and the only time we can get sensible face off times for games is between April and August... I'll let you all know how it goes.... Malcolm -- Malcolm (recent 1-0-0 sav%90.24 GAA 4.36 - career 22-19-1 85.85% 5.83) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results/Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Hextall --- you thug!! Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:55:12 +0100 What's all this Hextall stuff??!! First of all Blake, I hardly consider you to be in that category with only 4 mins in penalties!! Secondly Hextall is a great goalie who I think is even more great due to his temprament (or is that temper??!!) In field hockey you either get a green card (just a warning), yellow card (similar to a 2 minute minor, where by you are sent off for a couple of mins to think about what you did!!) or a red card which is basically an early shower (game misconduct!!) The only problem with a field hockey goalie getting a yellow card is that he/she has to go off the field, it can't be served by another player, so you have to take off all your padding and give it to an out field player who's brave enough to block shots!! I finished the season with the worst disipline for goalies last year with two greens and two yellows, yellow cards for goalies are EXTREMELY rare, but I seem to rack them up no problem and I do consider myself to be an aggressive goalie ALA Hextall, Schwab, Belfour etc. If anyone gets to close to me in my "D" (fh) then I'll let them know I'm there with a friendly little shove in the back!! It gives the crowds something to cheer about anyway in otherwise dullish form of hockey!! C-Ya...Alan /---------------------------------------------------\ | | |Alan MacLean (CIHL:Jets GM) | |Isle Of Skye, Scotland | | | |NEED INFO/PICS ON NHL GOALIES??...GIVE ME AN E-MAIL| | | \---------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Re: New to List Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:55:07 +0100 >>Alan, > > You do know that Ron Hextall wears an Itech, Sean Burke wears a >Cubberly and Patrick Roy wears a Lefevbre (aka Koho)! > >Just checking! > >Carl > Yes Carl, I know the makes they wear, but I was just meaning the style of mask as they are all similar, I was just trying to give people the idea of what I wanted but thank's for the info. /---------------------------------------------------\ | | |Alan MacLean (CIHL:Jets GM) | |Isle Of Skye, Scotland | | | |NEED INFO/PICS ON NHL GOALIES??...GIVE ME AN E-MAIL| | | \---------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Kelsey Subject: Ice Year Round? -Reply Date: 07 Apr 1997 07:20:51 -0500 David - The ice in Findlay Ohio has been gone for about three weeks now. Bowling Green is about 20 miles north of me, and I am still playing there. They take their ice off for 3-4 weeks every summer for maintenance - the rest of the year it is open. I will be playing there all summer - June thru Sept. Ice cost here in Findlay is $145 per hour. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 9:36:01 -0700 Wasn't it Keanu Reeves that played goal in that movie? -Don **************************************************************************** Don Otvos, Inside Sales| Madge Networks Inc Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Every problem faced is a potential opportunity. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:30:40 -0700 >Wasn't it Keanu Reeves that played goal in that movie? You're thinking about Jean-Claude Van Damme. He beat up the backup goalie, and took his equipment, and they put him in, and he "stopped" a breakaway...yeah, whatever... Most of the players in the movie were minor leaguers. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 13:01:17 -0700 Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! There was some movie a few (many) years back where Keanu Reeves was a goalie. I swear!!! -Don **************************************************************************** Don Otvos, Inside Sales| Madge Networks Inc Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Life has changed forever since Stackable Livestock. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 16:05:40 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Don Otvos NamS-SJ wrote: > Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! There was some movie a few (many) years back > where Keanu Reeves was a goalie. I swear!!! Yeah, _Youngblood_. What a piece of crap. Mike > > -Don > > **************************************************************************** > Don Otvos, Inside Sales| Madge Networks Inc > Southwest Region | 2310 N First St > 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 > 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Life has changed forever since Stackable > Livestock. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 08 Apr 1997 00:02:36 +0100 >Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! There was some movie a few (many) years back >where Keanu Reeves was a goalie. I swear!!! > >-Don The movie was called "Youngblood" wasn't it?? also with Rob Lowe and Patrick Swayze. Reeves seemed to do an ok job in that film, with a good fight sceene with the Thunder Bay Bombers goalie. Alan /---------------------------------------------------\ | | |Alan MacLean (CIHL:Jets GM) | |Isle Of Skye, Scotland | | | |NEED INFO/PICS ON NHL GOALIES??...GIVE ME AN E-MAIL| | | \---------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Hextall --- you thug!! Date: 07 Apr 1997 19:41:05 -0700 A J MacLean wrote: > > What's all this Hextall stuff??!! > I agree. Personally, I think that Sean Burke and CuJo are much tougher. Just make sure you don't fight like Roy (0-3). Scott Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 19:42:25 -0700 TS Wilkey wrote: > > Malcolm Preen wrote: > > > > David L. Fielding wrote: > > > Until last year Ithaca lost its ice around mid-March. With the > > > addition of a year round facility we now have ice year-round. > > > > > > Just wondering how many folks out there have year-round ice and > > > how many folks are done until October. > > > > > Since it is quiet, I was wondering how prevalent the trend is > > > for year round ice. Sure, in Canada they'll be skating on the > > > ponds in July :^), but what about everyone else. > > > Even in Houston, Texas we have ice year round, in fact, we have three rinks around town. Sometimes players from the Houston Aeros (IHL team) come out and skate drop-ins. Scott Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 19:46:49 -0700 Steve Langevin wrote: > > >Wasn't it Keanu Reeves that played goal in that movie? > > You're thinking about Jean-Claude Van Damme. He beat up the > backup goalie, and took his equipment, and they put him > in, and he "stopped" a breakaway...yeah, whatever... > > Most of the players in the movie were minor leaguers. > I believe they used several members of the Cleveland Lumberjacks and Indianapolis Ice as fill-ins. They were planning to use the real Pens and Hawks, but the strike negated all of that. There was even an add asking for extras to "act" as fans. Scott Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: LOGO CONTEST WINNER Date: 07 Apr 1997 22:43:35 -0400 Hi Goalies... Over the last month or so, I have been accepting entries to design a new logo to appear on BATTRAM goal equipment... We received a couple dozen entries, everyone who contributed, I wish to thank you... A lot of good work came in... We selected Nick Ramirez's base design, and then had a professional graphic artist touch up Nicks work... (basically we figured that your ideas would give us ideas to take to the artist, and indeed this was the case...) Nick is going to take his prize in the form of a CREDIT towards a new BATTRAM Upper Body pad... Congratulations Nick! Our new logo is now on the opening page of our WEB SITE See the URL below to check it out! And thanks again to all the participants! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: A few things... Date: 07 Apr 1997 23:56:35 -0400 Hi all, The first game of my spring league is coming up this sat. and I have a few things that I'd like to throw out on the table... (1) I CONSTANTLY get the butt end of my stick caught in the top corner of the net. Especially when I slide in tight to the post (mostly from the top of the crease, and sometimes while sliding from the other post). This drives me NUTS. It also takes my attention off the puck, and it makes me have to move away from the post to get it out. (for info purposes: my stance and setup is like the beezer's) (2) My stick handling SUCKS. It is a little better thanks to Scott's gloves (with my old gloves you just couldn't feel the stick), but it still is terrible. I'm looking for more detailed advice other than drills (I do the best I can with space and time), especially on the backhand. (This info. will also eventially be added to my web page) (3) I get BAD foot cramps sometimes. They basically incapacitate me. What could it be? (note: my skates are NOT new) Any and all info. will be appreciated!!!!! Rick "Tigger" #30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: ice year round Date: 07 Apr 1997 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Hello fellow puck stoppers, Down here in New York, at Rye where the New York Rangers practice facility is, they are starting this year ice year round....THANK GOD! The ice there is great and occasionally you get to see the Rangers....Also at Rye the skate shop there does all of the Rangers repairs. I got to wear Alexei Kovalev's gloves, Glenn Anderson's gloves, Glenn Healy's Blocker...and what i consider to be best was I got to wear Mike Richter's pads....(the benefits of being a ranger fan) I also got to see the Ranger's third jersey before it was announced to the public cause this skate shop made them. Back to the ice. It costs $140 an hour, and i already have it booked all season on every other saturday. One last thing....does anyone have any pictures of glenn healy in jpg format that they wouldn't mind sending me.... Take Care, John #42 Gamblers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: A few things... Date: 08 Apr 1997 00:30:59 -0400 On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Tigger wrote: > Hi all, > The first game of my spring league is coming up this sat. and I have a few > things that I'd like to throw out on the table... > (1) I CONSTANTLY get the butt end of my stick caught in the top corner of > the net. Especially when I slide in tight to the post (mostly from the top > of the crease, and sometimes while sliding from the other post). This > drives me NUTS. It also takes my attention off the puck, and it makes me > have to move away from the post to get it out. (for info purposes: my > stance and setup is like the beezer's) > > (2) My stick handling SUCKS. It is a little better thanks to Scott's gloves > (with my old gloves you just couldn't feel the stick), but it still is > terrible. I'm looking for more detailed advice other than drills (I do the > best I can with space and time), especially on the backhand. (This info. > will also eventially be added to my web page) > > (3) I get BAD foot cramps sometimes. They basically incapacitate me. What > could it be? (note: my skates are NOT new) > > Any and all info. will be appreciated!!!!! > Rick "Tigger" > #30 1) In order to get your stick caught so much, you're probably either holding it wrong (with blade almost parallel to your skates) or you don't have a good idea of where your net is yet. In the former, just try to hold your stick so that the blade is right in your five hole, and on the ground all the time. I used to do this until my coach beat it into me by making me do pushups whenever he saw me moving w/ my blad up. In the latter case, it just takes practice and a familiarity with how the crease is. Sorry. 2) My stick handling also sucks. However, here are some tips (half of them are from previous posts from Scott). Hold the shaft of your stick with your trapper, not your paddle. Keep your hands fairly high on the stick. I started shooting better when I got a forward friend of mine to show me how he shoots a wrist shot. Hold your hands high, about a foot apart, position the puck to your side and in front of you so that your stick is comfortably extended (don't try to shoot the puck in your feet!), then push down with your lower hand as you start your shooting motion. I used to whiff a lot before I realized that if you are pushing down on the stick a bit it helps you hit the puck and get power on it. As for backhands, pushing down still helps. My best progress in this situation has come from Stormwind (i think), when she described that tuck your arm in whirly maneouver. Unfortunately, I am at a loss to describe it. Another tip from some my friend Ray: your blocker hand is going to do most of the work, so just snap your wrist when you shoot. Also, when trying to get the puck up, shoot the puck from heel to toe. In other words, shoot normally, but start with the heel of the stick on the puck. As you shoot, try to move the puck from the heel along the blade to the toe, and follow through. It worked for me....unfortunately, I can only get the puck up about four feet or so. So....anyone else with pointers, bring 'em on!!! 3) I too, had this problem in the past. Let me say that my feet hurt everytime I skate, and this has been going on for 17 years, so I don't expect it to stop. But, I too used to get cramps. For me, it was because I didn't do my skates up too well. I found leaving the bottom four holes (near my toes) really loose, with the holes leading to my heel comfortably snug, and the heel and up really tight worked and I no longer have cramps. However, i know a bunch of guys who practically cut their circulation off throughout the boot and have no problem. So, it's an iffy problem, like a lot of other stuff. -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lance Schueneman Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 07 Apr 1997 21:56:02 -0500 -- [ From: Lance Schueneman * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I think they were with the AHL, because I know that one player formerly of the Wheeling Thunderbirds was one of the skaters (#44 for Chi - Vadim Slivchenko that has played for Houston of the IHL and CE Wein of the Austrian league). I seem to remember a couple of teams listed in the credits, but it's been so long since I've seen the movie to remember which 2 teams. Lance Schueneman A wanna-be netminder (anyone got cheap used equipment in good shape ??) Houston Aeros Mailing list webmaster (http://www.cpy.com/lances/alist.html) -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- I believe they used several members of the Cleveland Lumberjacks and Indianapolis Ice as fill-ins. They were planning to use the real Pens and Hawks, but the strike negated all of that. There was even an add asking for extras to "act" as fans. -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Dierks Subject: Re: A few things... Date: 07 Apr 1997 23:55:22 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Tigger wrote: > (3) I get BAD foot cramps sometimes. They basically incapacitate me. What > could it be? (note: my skates are NOT new) > > Any and all info. will be appreciated!!!!! > Rick "Tigger" > #30 > Rick, You mention that your skates aren't new, but might they be putting pressure on your foot in such a manner that it is causing the pain? I know that if I tighten either pair of my inlines or my ice skates too tight my feet will let me know really quick that they are too tight. If I catch it soon enough, there appears to be no harm done. But, if I don't it seems like I bruise soft tissue inside the foot and it may hurt for a week or so. I did that one of the first times that I used my inlines, and I will not forget it. People always told me that they had to be tight, but I was tightening them too tight. Something you also might wish to check is whether or not there is something putting pressure on the bottom of your feet. I know my insoles are starting to compact and not support my feet as they should. I need new insoles. Are yours bad? Hope this helps and you solve the pain issue, as playing in pain like that will distract you from your game. Brian Brian Dierks briand@owt.com "Winning only comes before Work in the Dictionary" -- Bob Loucks, head coach Tri-City Americans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: A few things... Date: 08 Apr 1997 00:34:35 -0700 skate things: back when i first started playing on goal, by the middle of the game i'd started doing the "hotfoot dance". by the end of the game i could not WAIT for the game to be over so i could rip off my skates. i learned: 1. to put in heavy-duty insoles into the goalie skates. i think i've got the ones designed for construction workers. there's another kind out, designed for specifically this kind of problem that goalies have, but none of the local stores has carried them. 2. to keep moving during the game. standing still in one place tends to make the problem worse. i'm always fiddling about with my feet...either adjusting angles and depth when the puck's in my end, experimenting with angles and depth when it's in the other end, and when the whistle is blown, i generally do a couple figure eights and a circle or two for amusement. 3. new skates are tough. my bauer 3000's bugged me for several months. even now, if i'm skating twice a week at public skate, that alone will sensitize the outsides of both my feet so they're tender to any pressure. after a few months, all that foot pain eventually fades into the background "mumble" of goalie gear sensations. 4. public skates are invaluable. really. most hockey players scorn them. however, it wasn't until i was playing two games a week and skating two public sessions a week that i got *really* good playing goal. spending time "fiddling" with your pads and skates, just diddling around and doing swoops and things in the end zones, is what teaches your body the balance and reflexes you need for the game. the pads are also a great weight workout, especially if you do single leg lifts while skating, and you'll get really good at crossovers. and, you can usually stop at each end of the rink and practice, say, five butterflies on each end with a fast recovery. it'll do wonders for your stamina. on a side note, i also highly recommend that during those team practices when you drop to block that shot and you're just TOO TIRED to face the next three eager campers...don't get up. practice your down-on-the-ice floundering. get used to sliding from post to post on your pads. figure out the odd body angles you need to cover the net when you're down. eventually you'll need that practice when you've got a goal mouth scramble that just won't quit. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: A few things... Date: 08 Apr 1997 08:10:44 -0400 At 11:56 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, >The first game of my spring league is coming up this sat. and I have a few >things that I'd like to throw out on the table... >(1) I CONSTANTLY get the butt end of my stick caught in the top corner of >the net. Especially when I slide in tight to the post (mostly from the top >of the crease, and sometimes while sliding from the other post). This >drives me NUTS. It also takes my attention off the puck, and it makes me >have to move away from the post to get it out. (for info purposes: my >stance and setup is like the beezer's) > Hi Rick, When moving side to side, hold your stick about 6in in front of your skates... and move your arm in arcing motion as you come into the post, this forces your stick to stay in front of you... Also, the heel of the skate blade should ride on the edge of the goal line closest to the blue line... not closest to the boards. There is no sense in staying back in the net... this will get you hung up all the time... When going glove side to blocker side, make sure you turn your blocking hand like you are pouring a pitcher of water, that will keep the butt end out of the top corner of the net... When you go blocker side to catcher side, lead with the stick (the stick is longer so it should get to the post at the same time) also, move your catching arm forward a bit so it doesnt get caught between your body and the post.... >(3) I get BAD foot cramps sometimes. They basically incapacitate me. What >could it be? (note: my skates are NOT new) > Do you tie your skates up to the top eyelit?? Alot of goalies do this, and in my Opinion it makes things worse, as it doesnt allow your ankles to be able to move forward, this is something that is required for a good basic stance... Try doing the skates up and leaving the top or the top two eyelits open. You will be able to have more flexability in your ankles... great for a goaltender. Also, it may be in the way your skates are done... if you do not have alot of blade on the ice, or, the edges are on an angle outward or inward rather than being 90 degrees, this could do it too... I used to get sore feet the odd time, and have not had any problem since I got my skates professionally contoured by Ken Whetham, and his continuing regular sharpening of them... > Any and all info. will be appreciated!!!!! > Rick "Tigger" > #30 > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: ice year round Date: 08 Apr 1997 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT) I live in Carson, California (just north of Long Beach) and we have ice all year round. Pickup games and leagues schedule games year round out here. The warm weather means all ice rinks have to be built to function in warm weather so costs are the same winter, spring, summer, or fall. Hate to think what I'd have to do if we didn't have ice all year! Don't know the cost of ice, but pickup games charge $10-15 per game and allow a maximum of 20 skaters (goalies are free). Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Evan Friedman" Subject: Re: Year Round Ice Date: 08 Apr 1997 09:15:17 -0700 I live in Redondo Beach, CA, a few miles south of the Los Angeles airport. Larry Smith is correct. All the ice here is year round. It's also expensive. The cheapest ice starts around $200/hr. (If one of you knows a cheaper place in LA, send me a message. My team is always looking for cheap practice ice) Similarly, the cost per game in a league varies from $15 to $20+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: ice Date: 08 Apr 1997 12:33:04 -0400 Ice? I seem to remember what that was. Kinda cold, right? And stiff. Great for skating on... Atlanta, GA has three ice facilities (that I know of) and only one or two are available year round. Columbus, GA has ice during the CHL season, but that's for the CHL team only... Ah, to be back in Boulder, CO. Three sheets locally (at least there were supposed to be two more coming in), two more within 20 or so miles, and several more around the Denver metro area... The league I played on went year round and was about $300 per "season". Each season was around 20+ games, and there were three seasons. Then there was the Campus (CU) ice facility which was about $80 per quarter - for those folks affiliated with the university in some way, but not a student. Now I'm looking forward to public ice in the Nashville, TN area - I hear there are three arenas available. Anybody need a goalie this fall? -Kevin Scott http://www.ccssc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: A few things... Date: 08 Apr 1997 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Rick: About the cramps, perhaps the skates are too big? Either that or the padding has compressed to the point that the skates have become too big. Either way you could be pushing down on your toes and the balls of your feet trying to keep your foot from sliding inside your skates. This results in muscle fatigue which causes pain and can lead to cramps. Consider getting some sort of insole cushioning or new skates which fit better. I sometimes get the butt end caught in the net when moving out from the blocker side post. Quite embarassing, just a matter of knowing where you are on the ice. Practice and lots of games should help. Just my two cents worth. Good luck. Larry Smith >Hi all, >The first game of my spring league is coming up this sat. and I have a few >things that I'd like to throw out on the table... >(1) I CONSTANTLY get the butt end of my stick caught in the top corner of >the net. Especially when I slide in tight to the post (mostly from the top >of the crease, and sometimes while sliding from the other post). This >drives me NUTS. It also takes my attention off the puck, and it makes me >have to move away from the post to get it out. (for info purposes: my >stance and setup is like the beezer's) > >(2) My stick handling SUCKS. It is a little better thanks to Scott's gloves >(with my old gloves you just couldn't feel the stick), but it still is >terrible. I'm looking for more detailed advice other than drills (I do the >best I can with space and time), especially on the backhand. (This info. >will also eventially be added to my web page) > >(3) I get BAD foot cramps sometimes. They basically incapacitate me. What >could it be? (note: my skates are NOT new) > > Any and all info. will be appreciated!!!!! > Rick "Tigger" > #30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: Re: Year Round Ice Date: 08 Apr 1997 12:13:27 -0500 (CDT) On 8 Apr 1997, Evan Friedman wrote: > I live in Redondo Beach, CA, a few miles south of the Los Angeles airport. Larry Smith is correct. All the ice here is year round. It's also expensive. The cheapest ice starts around $200/hr. (If one of you knows a cheaper place in LA, send me a message. My team is always looking for cheap practice ice) > > Similarly, the cost per game in a league varies from $15 to $20+ > Dang.. Here (Minneapolis) during the summer ice is about $70/hr. Winter rates are about $90/hr. Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: Skate problems? Change your socks! Date: 08 Apr 1997 14:34:28 -0400 I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but what helped my feet out the most was switching from regular athletic socks to heavyweight wool boot socks. For both in-line and ice hockey, the difference it made in foot comfort was astounding. Blisters and soreness were pretty much eliminated, and it hastened the end of the dreaded break-in period on my Bauers. Once you get used to the scratchyness of the wool, they shouldn't bother you. I buy either 100% wool or something with a high wool blend. I've found that cheaper synthetic socks just don't hold up, don't work as well, and in the long run a just a waste of money. Buy genuine wool socks, and you won't be dissapointed. Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Brink Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? -Reply Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:06:20 -0400 Sent this to the Youth Hockey list too by mistake but...... in ROchester NY we have year round ice and pretty cheap in the summer, around $100/hr or less. -- See you on the flip side, Tom Hockey....One Life, One Sport Visit me on the Web at http://www.vivanet.com/~brinkt/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 08 Apr 1997 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-06 14:42:17 EDT, you write: > Until last year Ithaca lost its ice around mid-March. With the > addition of a year round facility we now have ice year-round. > > Just wondering how many folks out there have year-round ice and > how many folks are done until October. > > Since it is quiet, I was wondering how prevalent the trend is > for year round ice. Sure, in Canada they'll be skating on the > ponds in July :^), but what about everyone else. > -- Well, yeah, our ponds don't exactly freeze in Houston...if we don't MAKE ice, we don't GET ice. > I'm guessing the cost limits this to northern areas? Here the cost > is about $150/hour of ice time. It might go up some during the > summer. -- Our rink management is stingy. They want about $200/hr. > > The other question is what are the best summer sports for goalies: > I'm guessing tennis and cycling would be very good for the legs > and coordination. > -- I do a lot of inline skating and cycling, also 12 oz. curls...hahaha. I'm #2-ranked on my school's tennis team...tennis also improves your coordination with the stick, since hitting a backhand and making a stick save use a similar motion. (Onl difference is that the stick covers the 5-hole...hope your backhand doesn't! :-) -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.33 and falling... Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stopper030@aol.com Subject: question Date: 08 Apr 1997 19:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Hello, Does anybody know what kind of helmet Trevor Prior of Maimi of Ohio wears? thanks stopper030 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: skate problems Date: 08 Apr 1997 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Hi Tigger, The wonderful thing about Tiggers are Tiggers are wonderful things. :) Depending on where the pain is and the age of your skates, several things can be done to alleviate the foot cramps. After several years of figure skating and switching to goal skates, I found amazingly, that a very low cost insert (Scholl for example) completely removed the arch cramps I got in goal skates. If you are getting pain/callouses in other places it is not necessarily a 'high arch' problem' (which causes a lot of foot cramping), but simply that your skates are too tight somewhere along the foot. You can get the shell 'popped' using heat by most sporting goods stores which gives your foot more room. Your problem sounds more like (a) skates too short (b) you have a high arch which needs support. If the skates are too short you can tell if you 'kick' the foot into the heel when putting the skates on. There should be at least a half to preferably an inch space in the toe. Since I got my inserts which support the arch I no longer have cramps. If you can, find someone who is either a trainer or a podiatrist. The Canuck trainers identified my problem immediately as a high arch. I use custom orthotics in my running shoes but the Scholls (way less expensive) make an amazing difference in my goal skates. Look for the green/black type. Your problem sounds much more like a high arch than skates being too short. New skates almost always hurt for awhile, but if you have been playing in these for awhile and still get cramps, try the inserts first. I was totally amazed at the difference with just that little bit of uncustomized foam (compared to the runner orthotics...ouch!) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: socks Date: 08 Apr 1997 18:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Hi Andy, Full agreement. Heavy socks act much like inserts, the foot cramps and discomfort diappear. What I need to know now is how to skate like a 'normal' skater without inserts etc...I am trying to teach my niece figure skating in goal skates (she is 7, in figure skates, I have forgotten how to skate in blades with a forward curve and picks). Not so easy! If anybody has experience in how to skate without the pads on (which it seems from the list , we will mostly be doing over the summer) please let me know. I am used to the extra weight and the balance thing is all messed up. What are you guys using in the rollerblades as support? Plus I have had a hard time getting used to the idea of skinning the shins in RB's. In VCR we can play ice hockey for free year round (apologies to CA) but I would like to try RB without damaging the shins and knees. Thanks, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: Hextall --- you thug!! Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:50:09 -0400 (EDT) I think I would be considered a Hextall. I've gotten 24 min. in penalties. 2 of which were for fighting. A lot of people are shocked because I am a girl. I guess they think girls only get pissed off when they get PMS... They are totally WRONG. Just puttin' my 2 cents in, Deanna "the Cat" GAA-3.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Dierks Subject: Re: socks Date: 09 Apr 1997 00:13:51 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, goalieootttaA wrote: > What are you guys using in the > rollerblades as support? Plus I have had a hard time getting used to the > idea of skinning the shins in RB's. In VCR we can play ice hockey for > free year round (apologies to CA) but I would like to try RB without > damaging the shins and knees. > Thanks, > Lisa > > Hi, If I understand your question(s), you are so used to ice skating in goal skates that 1. -- a curved (rockered) skate is a problem, and 2. -- you are not used to skating w/o shin/knee protection. Well, here goes. 1. -- As for rockered skates vs. non-rockered skates, I do prefer a more flat roller blade, as it is more stable and forgiving of where you have your weight placed along the length of the blade. The penalty is ease of turning and speed of turning. It is really easy to turn on a rockered skate -- almost too easy if you are not expecting it. I learned how to three turn on ice before I ever was able to do it with inlines. Sharpness of your blade also makes a difference as to turning, etc. I learned ice skating on sharp skates that were well maintained (rentals) until I purchased some of my own. I can remember a time when I rented a pair of skates in a different city and went to the rink. I was able to slide sideways on the skates until I turned the edge into the ice. I was not ready for that as I was used to the grip of a sharp ice skate or an inline skate. You have to be careful of where you place pressure along the length of the ice blade on a rockered skate. There are others here on the list that can most likely help more here. I have found for me that if I am skating backwards, I often place more pressure on my toe end of the skate. If I am skating forward, there is a bit more of a bias toward the heel of the skate. This is only slight and it is a bit subtle. Too much either way and you will be on the ground or the ice. Skate length also will affect this "feel" as well. My ice skates (defenseman) are shorter than figure skates, and shorter than the inlines I use for goal. A shorter skate is quicker responding, but is less stable if you are unsure of yourself. I find a bit of "calibration" is in order each time I switch back and forth from each type of skate> The good news is that this gets to be less difficult each time I do it, and less difficult with time and practice on any skate. As for 2. -- Padding. You have several options. I use knee and elbow pads whenever I am outside, plus a helmet and usually wrist guards. You are skating on a big grind stone (essentially) and it will take more of your hide if you wipe out than on wood or especially ice. Although ice does hurt, and you can break/crack bones on the ice. I will not play outdoors with my goal gear, as it would not last the day. I usually don't use much padding indoors on wood, unless I am working on a new move, etc. that will have me on the ground a few times before I catch on. This prevents the nasty burns off of the floor, not to mention the broken/cracked bones. If you are playing hockey outside, I have seen in one store here (remarkable, considering they don't have much else in the way of hockey gear) some pants that looked like they would be tough enough for outdoor use for a season or two. They looked like heavy black denim shorts with crash pads built in. But, the best thing to improve your skating is to get out there and do it. Hope this has helped. Brian Brian Dierks briand@owt.com "Winning only comes before Work in the Dictionary" -- Bob Loucks, head coach Tri-City Americans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j-ordonez@juno.com Subject: Re: Ice Year Round? Date: 11 Apr 1997 00:15:09 EDT >Just wondering how many folks out there have year-round ice and >how many folks are done until October. > >The other question is what are the best summer sports for goalies: >I'm guessing tennis and cycling would be very good for the legs >and coordination. > >David As for your first question, here in NYC a beautiful facility has been opened for about two years and has year-round hockey (except for one week where they restore the ice). This is the only year round rink in NYC. There is also a regulation rink in Brooklyn but it closes during the summer, as does another (smaller) rink in Queens. As for your second question: I've found that paddleball is a great sport that has helped my hockey performance. For those of you who might not be familiar with paddleball; the object is basically to take a small paddle (slightly bigger than ping-pong paddle) and hit a hard rubber ball ball against a wall where your opponent must return it before it hits the ground twice. It's a lot like tennis except (1) It's significantly cheaper, (2) it does'nt require membership to public court or tennis club, (3) offers a better cardiovascular workout than tennis since it requires faster movement and (4) since the ball moves significantly faster than in tennis, this helps improve hand-eye cordination. Here in NYC, the parks dept. has put up tons of regulation walls at just about every park. And even if all the courts are filled, just find a school yard wall and your all set !!! As for other sports: Soccer is great for cardio and agility. Running is also great for cardio. Basketball helps with perception and cordination. The batting cage is also great to help with hand-eye coordination. Weight training is (in my book at least) a must. I've learned (later than I would have liked to) that the better all around athlete a goaltender is, a better a goaltender he/she will become. Goaltending is the complete athletic position. It only follows that the best goaltenders are complete athletes. John Ordonez __________________________________ "Now what kind of Mickey Mouse organization would name their team 'The Ducks' ???" ***Quote from Buggs Bunny to Daffy Duck - SPACEJAM the movie*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: goalie skates Date: 11 Apr 1997 00:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Hello, Well i just bought a pair of goalie skates (Bauer)...and when i skate on them, the skate seems to move outward...is this normal? John #42 Gamblers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Re: subscribe Date: 11 Apr 1997 02:51:53 -0600 Hi, I am not sure how this works, do you just simply send in your goalie questions? If so then I have one: how do you know what size leg pads you need (if you can't actually try them on)? Do you simply measure your legs in some way? And is there a diference between the Junior 28" pads and the Senior 28" pads. Thanks! Adam At 05:48 PM 4/10/97 -0600, you wrote: >You have added to the subscriber list of: > > hockey-goalie@xmission.com > >the following mail address: > > adtr6819@student.uu.se > >By default, copies of your own submissions will be returned. > > >Welcome to the hockey goalie mailing list! > >-- >This is an automated subscription mechanism. 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Date: 11 Apr 1997 14:50:23 -0400 (EDT) When the playoffs are over..so goes out the ice. They say it's too expensive to keep it during our warm summer months. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: Crease Rules Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:39:39 -0400 Howdy all: With all of the talk of changing the crease, I found myself wondering = about a game I saw a couple of weeks back. K. McLean had the puck under = him, and a member of the opposition pushed him and it into the net. The = goal was disallowed, but not for goalie interference...the net had come = off (?). If that hadn't of occurred, it would have been a goal. I was = wondering, why is this? It doesn't seem right that we can be pushed = into the net like a puck for a goal. Later, Matt Malicki ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x96malicki@wmich.edu Actual Pepperidge Farms Cake Box: "Serving size: 1/8 cake. Servings = per box: About 8" "Bug Go Squish Now!" - Homer Simpson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Lefebvre vs. Lefevre - Is there a difference? Date: 14 Apr 1997 19:52:00 -0500 (CDT) I've seen some goalie pads with very similar names, Lefebvre (with a 'b') and Lefevre (no 'b'). Are these two different different brands, or are they the same brand which just changed name? I own a pair of Lefebvre pads, I bought about 7 years ago. They have the square L logo near the top of the pad. On the side pannel, they have "Lefebvre" in large letters along with "Terrebonne Canada" in smaller type. I've seen Lefevre (no 'b') pads in the Kemps hockey supply catalog, and they use a script L logo (like how LaVerne used to have on her sweater). I haven't seen the style of pad that I have in recent catalogs, nor do I recall seeing the Lefevre anywhere when I was shopping for pads 7 years ago, so I figure it's possible that they may have been made by the same company, but if that's the case, then why change the name? For what it's worth, I've been very happy with my Lefebvres. They're not light pads, but they've been very durable. I remember guys who bought Aero-flex and other super light pads around the same time I got my pads, and they've long since have had to replace them. -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Lefebvre vs. Lefevre - Is there a di Date: 14 Apr 1997 21:41:52, -0500 Our local CHL goalie, Steve Plouffe, wears Lefevre pads. There is an L at the center knee area that looks like a British pound symbol without the crossbar. He's had them less than 2 years. The rolled side panels have Lefevre in large letters. I believe his have the same small side panel words your's does. It's hard to tell from the pictures we have. The back of the leg has an extra behind the shin pad, so the back of the leg is completely covered. The only catalog we've seen these in, and where Plouffer got his, is from Don Simmons in London Ontario. Sounds like the same pads. His catchglove & blocker also spell it without the 'b'. bobbie in texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: Lefebvre vs. Lefevre - Is there a difference? Date: 15 Apr 1997 12:25:08 -0400 (EDT) I am not really sure if they are with the same company. I have had the same pads (Cooper Flexxx) for so long. I am not good with recommedations w/equipment, but I do know that the ones I have are very durable as well. I am sorry I could not help you out more.. Take care, Jen Newberger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew_maholski@reyrey.com (ANDREW D MAHOLSKI) Subject: New Subscriber Date: 15 Apr 1997 15:13:51 -0400 Hello all: I am a new subscriber to the hockey goalie mailing list. I am in Atlanta Georgia and am interested in quality used goalie gear. If any one out there has any items availible in my area please let me know. Andrew M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew_maholski@reyrey.com (ANDREW D MAHOLSKI) Subject: My Bio Date: 15 Apr 1997 16:04:53 -0400 Kevin Wrote >> Let us (the list) know how long you've been playing, and give a short bio - it helps us to get to know you better... << Ok Here goes. My name is Andrew Maholski (Ma-Hall-Ski) age 28 married (sorry ladies) no kids I have been skating (Ice) for a while now but have no game experience as of yet. I am planning on joining the intramural leagues in Atlanta since I have been told by other players that they are somewhat less competitive than the checking leagues. I feel that is a good place to start my goal tending career. I have had an interest in hockey for many years but have never had the opportunity to play (no ice). My career moved me to Atlanta (computer scientist). There is an ice rink 5 minutes from my apartment so now I have no excuse. I just need to get my goalie gear and convince my wife that hockey is not dangerous. My wife has been to several hockey games with me so she is somewhat apprehensive about me playing. We are big fans of the Macon Whoopee (a CeHL team for those wondering). I have been looking around various sports store to get my gear but have not found much yet. I did get a nice pair of used Micron goalie skates at Play-It-Again Sports. I do know a guy who is almost my size with a complete set of goalie gear. He does not play goal but he has not indicated any interest in selling me his stuff. I guess I will have to beat it out of him. LOL Andrew M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: My Bio Date: 15 Apr 1997 17:17:01 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-15 16:19:57 EDT, you write: << Kevin Wrote >> Let us (the list) know how long you've been playing, and give a short bio - it helps us to get to know you better... << >> Hello all...I am new on the goalie list as well, here is a li'l bit of information about me: My name is Jeff and I am 30 years old, originally from Syracuse, NY, now living in Tucson, Arizona. I somehow failed to fall in love with hockey during my 25+ years in upstate NY, but once I arrived in the desert, all hockey hell broke loose and now I am hooked. I started skating in 1994, and began playing inline roller hockey later that year. I began playing at the defenseman position due to the (you guessed it) high price of goalie equipment...but I can no longer deny the longing in my soul to wear all that cool stuff and have people abuse me, so I am entering the goalie ring...er, that is, crease! I played one season (16 games) as a goalie so far as well as a bunch of pickups and stuff...I am enjoying it immensely, but have so much to learn. I am borrowing gear for now, looking to purchase leg pads and chest protector as soon as I have saved up the cash...any suggestions for good entry level stuff that can also be used for ice (I eventually wanna play ice too...) will be appreciated. That's enough for now...see ya! Please don't hit me in the throat again, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: Crease Rules Date: 15 Apr 1997 17:39:20 -0400 (EDT) I agree with you 100 percent!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 17:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Here it is, my first day on the list and I'm polling opinions already! This guy's gonna be a trouble maker, I can see that now! Which do you folks like better...the helmet/ cage combo worn by Irbe, Hasek, Terreri, Osgood, etc or the more popular molded mask/ cage style worn by Roy, Beezer, Puppa, Ranford, (heck,practically every other NHL goalie)?? I am trying to decide which one to go with...any suggestions, experiences, preferences, input, etc etc? See ya at the bar, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Chapman Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 18:06:32 -0400 > Here it is, my first day on the list and I'm polling opinions already! This > guy's gonna be a trouble maker, I can see that now! > > Which do you folks like better...the helmet/ cage combo worn by Irbe, Hasek, > Terreri, Osgood, etc or the more popular molded mask/ cage style worn by Roy, > Beezer, Puppa, Ranford, (heck,practically every other NHL goalie)?? > > I am trying to decide which one to go with...any suggestions, experiences, > preferences, input, etc etc? > > See ya at the bar, > Jeff > Jeff, Mask *definitely* over helmet/cage combo. I've worn an Itech Sr. Profile for a couple of years now and I love it. I had a Cooper sk2000 helmet/cage combo before and for me, the fit was just not there. It would rattle on my head and direct impacts to the forehead produced more shock than with my Itech which is molded to deflect direct impacts. Plus the mask conforms to my whole head & face better than the helmet/cage. Also, it does allow more individuality if you choose to paint it. (more so than a helmet/cage) Not only does practically every other NHL goalie wear a mask, but IHL, AHL, ECHL, Juniors, College goalies as well. Must be something good about 'em!! :-) Dave P.S. I hope HotBranch chimes in on this, his favorite subject. If only to tout his *awesome* mask custom made by Gilles Michaud in Quebec. Wicked lightweight, great design, and Gilles is very dedicated to his craft. ---------------==============================--------------- David Chapman Internet: dchap@vnet.ibm.com IBM Microelectronics IBM net: dchap@btv.ibm.com (802) 769-7540 (tieline 446) vnet: dchap at btv ---------------==============================--------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "SYRILYN TONG" Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 15:10:56 AST9ADT The mask definitely!! I played with the helmet/cage combo for years and got my face/head rattled a number of times. I originally got my ProMasque because I wanted to look cool, but it has been well worth the $$ in safety to my skull! My mask is considerably heavier than the helmet/cage combo (I think because of the fiberglass/kevlar combo) but it wasn't hard getting used to. The price may be a little hard getting used to, although the price has gone down considerably since I got mine in '92. My ProMasque comes in S,M, L, XL, etc, but I also got the optional air bladder around the forehead. This is like the "pump" in the Reeboks and Nike shoes, so you can get a custom fit to your mask. The other thing you can do with a mask that you can't with a helmet is paint it (at least with the fiberglass/kevlar kinds), as painting the helmets usually voids all warranties, plus the paint chips off on the helmets. All in all, I will NEVER go back to the helmet/cage combo, no matter what the price!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 19:20:50 -0400 At 03:10 PM 4/15/97 AST9ADT, you wrote: >The mask definitely!! I played with the helmet/cage combo >for years and got my face/head rattled a number of times. >I originally got my ProMasque because I wanted to look >cool, but it has been well worth the $$ in safety to my >skull! My mask is considerably heavier than the >helmet/cage combo (I think because of the fiberglass/kevlar >combo) but it wasn't hard getting used to. The price may be >a little hard getting used to, although the price has gone >down considerably since I got mine in '92. My ProMasque >comes in S,M, L, XL, etc, but I also got the optional air >bladder around the forehead. This is like the "pump" in >the Reeboks and Nike shoes, so you can get a custom fit to >your mask. The other thing you can do with a mask that you >can't with a helmet is paint it (at least with the >fiberglass/kevlar kinds), as painting the helmets usually >voids all warranties, plus the paint chips off on the >helmets. All in all, I will NEVER go back to the >helmet/cage combo, no matter what the price!! > > > Actually, if you check the warranties on the masks... usually if someone non authorized by the company paints the mask, you also void the HECC, CSA approval, as well as the manufacturers warranty, this is only fair, as there are alot of people painting these things that dont have a clue chemicals to use... Did you know, on helmets you are supposed to replace them if the get cracked or scratched, otherwise the HECC or CSA is no longer valid??? I didnt believe this until I saw it on a helmet! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 19:36:58 -0400 (EDT) > At 03:10 PM 4/15/97 AST9ADT, you wrote: > >The mask definitely!! I played with the helmet/cage combo > >for years and got my face/head rattled a number of times. > > Actually, if you check the warranties on the masks... usually if someone > non authorized by the company paints the mask, you also void the HECC, CSA > approval, as well as the manufacturers warranty, this is only fair, as > there are alot of people painting these things that dont have a clue > chemicals to use... One of our adult goalies just got his Jofa 390 w/ goalie cage painted by someone who paints cars. I am sure that plastic is enjoying that hard car enamel. My youngest's Cooper HK3000 's warrenty is void by putting any stickers on the helmet other than Cooper approved numbering. I guess someone got sued once because of a head injury and it was found that the epoxy had deteriated the helmet. Its the only thing that makes sense. There is a hockey mailorder place in Canada (whos name slipps me at the moment, but they are in London, Ontario and have a newsprint style catalog) had a table in their catalog that lists which helmets can be painted and which cannot. > Did you know, on helmets you are supposed to replace them if the get > cracked or scratched, otherwise the HECC or CSA is no longer valid??? I > didnt believe this until I saw it on a helmet! If the helmet gets damaged, then the next hit could break it. In the US, motor cycle helmets and such are supposed to be replaced after a drop or accident even if there is no apparent damage. Rob -- Rob Miracle rwm@mpgn.com for webmaster@mpgn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markgraf@odetics.com (Philip Markgraf) Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 17:41:16 -0700 > From: PelusoM@aol.com > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:55:09 -0400 (EDT) > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: opinions please... > > Here it is, my first day on the list and I'm polling opinions already! This > guy's gonna be a trouble maker, I can see that now! > > Which do you folks like better...the helmet/ cage combo worn by Irbe, Hasek, > Terreri, Osgood, etc or the more popular molded mask/ cage style worn by Roy, > Beezer, Puppa, Ranford, (heck, practically every other NHL goalie)?? > > I am trying to decide which one to go with...any suggestions, experiences, > preferences, input, etc etc? > > See ya at the bar, > Jeff > With all respect to the awesome paint on some NHL'ers masks (and at least one base-bore plate-minder), I prefer the helmet-cage combo. The fit/comfort is acceptable, though I cannot personally compare it to a good-quality mask. What is significantly better is protection from the rear. The little mask back-plate does not give adequate protection if you are driven backwards into the pipe or ice, or receive a gratuitous blade to back of your favorite noggin. In addition to goal-tending, I play out for another team. In a recent outing, while moving out from behind the net (going for a wrap-around), I was shoved into the back of the net hard enough to tip it square into the back of the opposing keeper. Fortunately I was able to hold the pipe from following the goaltender to the ground. Unfortunately, the I-Tech Sr mask afforded its wearer little protection from this impact, thus leaving them with a lump and throbbing headache. I've seen a couple of NHLers hurt in similar manner. Just something to think on... Phil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Hi...I will have to agree, the Mask is much more comfortable and (in my opinion) seems to give you a better "vision" because it doesn't slide as much as a "helmet/cage". I would definately try it out. Take care, Jen Newberger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schenkr@aol.com Subject: Re: My Bio Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Hello fellow tenders, I think the bio idea is a good one. Every one should put one in. Well here goes mine. Name: Chris Schenk (Schenker around the rink) age 31 divorcing (not hockey related) I have had the pleasure of watching and playing hockey all my life. It's a lot of fun watching the sport grow in America over the years. The changes are incredible. I grew up in Portland, Ore and have played street hockey since age 6, ice hockey since 8, and my passion ice goaltending since 12. I played about four years total of organized junior and 10 or so of mens senior leagues to include four years (Air Force) in Michigan. I now reside in Seattle and play in Tacoma and reside atop both A and B leagues. I really enjoy watching new goalies coming out and starting. I just got my roommate on skates and in gear a year ago and he is already to break the surly bonds of the D league and move up. This page is an excellant thing for us and i hope we use to the best of our abilities. Thanks. Schenker #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: The Goalie Factory - New Article Added Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:11:52 -0400 Hi All, I just added a new article by Fred Quistgard to The Goalie Factory called "What It Takes to be a Starting Goalie". You can find it at: http://www.promasque.com/keepinf.htm. Fred's got alot of years using innovative coaching techniques for goalies of all ages and is quite knowledgeable. I hope you find it informative. Regards, Kevin "Webmaster" for Pro-Masque Custom-Fitted Goaltender's Masks http://www.promasque.com Kevin R. Burgess Nashua, NH krb@promasque.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: My Bio Date: 15 Apr 1997 22:13:13 -0400 Ok here goes my BIO... Name: Scott Frederick Battram D.O.B: July 25 1973 HOMETOWN: Woodstock, Ontario Canada Occupation: Owner - Battram Custom Goal Equipment STATUS: SINGLE - no children, never married... I started playing hockey when I was about 3 years old... well it wasnt hockey, but more less pushing a puck with a stick, on BOB-SKATES... I got real skates when I was 4... and signed up for legion peanuts. I started in the goal at about age six... I played travel hockey all my minor days, played some Jnr. C and B levels... our team was the best in Ontario in 1987... Was scouted by the London Knights of the OHL (JNR A) but at 18 I was too old for them... (they like to get goalies young and develop them) at 18 I would be a veteran goalie... I have instructed goalies for close to 10 years or more.. I have appeared in FUTURE PRO GOALIE SCHOOLS video, with my good friend Steve McKichan, who was a former Vancouver Canuck goaltender until Tony Twist ended his pro career in Milwaukee while he was playing in the IHL (you probably heard about the lawsuit that was settled a few months ago...), as well as working for and sponsoring Steves summer and winter goalie schools... Steve is probably one of the best goalie coaches around, he also is a PHYS ED teacher, and is currently employed by the Detroit Vipers of the IHL as a goalie consultant. Of course, what I am mostly known for is the BATTRAM line of goal pads... I started the business when I was 18 years old, and it has been growing ever since... I basically taught my self the art of equipment building, unlike many of the competitors, (they mostly all worked for other people in the business). Currently we are producing about 3 sets of pads per week, and the same in gloves... and are constantly getting orders... I just received confirmation on a supplier in Finland who will be carrying the BATTRAM products beginning in July of 1997. In my spare time I like working out in the gym, and listening to music such as Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson, Bob Dylan etc...etc....etc... playing on the internet... and of course checking out all kinds of equipment, and finding ways to make the stuff better! Anyhow... enough about me... keep sending your stuff in for the bio's its great reading!! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: My Bio and Helmet-Cage thing Date: 16 Apr 1997 00:54:08 -0400 Howdy all: First off, even though I've been here for a while, I'll start off with = my bio: Name: Matt Malicki Birth date: 10/9/76 (that makes me 20) Hometown: Grosse Pointe Farms, MI during the summer; Kalamazoo, MI = during the rest of the year. Height: 5'10" Weight: About 220 right now....on the way down Unlike many of you, I never played hockey at an early age. In fact, my = mother forbode it....she was afraid I'd get hurt. I skated since I was = 5 or so, although I only took 1 set of lessons. During the winter, I'd = skate around, and play pond hockey, although not as a goalie. I actually started goaltending in street hockey with some neighborhood = kids. I seemed to be fairly adept at it, so I bought some $30 mylec = goalie pads, got my baseball mitt, made a blocker out of cardboard and = foam insulation, and went to work in the roads. Thing is, it gets cold here in MI during the winter, and we get frozen = ponds. Well, almost every day, I was to be found out at our local pond = (well, actually, a harbor off of Lake St. Clair) goaltending in the = exact outfit described above. No chest pad, no helmet, no cup (!). Got = really good at making either glove or pad saves that way. Well, anyway, it took me about 1 year to save up enough to buy a full = set of gear, albeit it cheap stuff. Over the years since, I've slowly = upgrades, both equipment and skill. I've played for several house and = IM teams around the area. I recently took 2nd place in the break away = competition in our league's all star game (not bad, considering the = level of comp.), and would have done better during the rapid fire had I = not strained my hamstring 1/2 way through. As for helmets, I've always used the old cooper stuff....seems to work = for me, although I've never actually tried a mask. Don't plan on it for = a while, either. Matt Malicki ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x96malicki@wmich.edu Actual Pepperidge Farms Cake Box: "Serving size: 1/8 cake. Servings = per box: About 8" "Bug Go Squish Now!" - Homer Simpson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Strobridge Subject: My Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 02:24:03 -0400 Well, I've been on the list for over a year, I think, and I've never really given my bio. I guess it's time to jump on the bandwagon and give it a shot. :) Name: David Neal Strobridge D.O.B: Dec. 2 1976 HOMETOWN: Springfield, VA Occupation: Student, VA Tech currently a Junior Status: Single Well, my goaltending days started back during my freshmen year in high school when i got my first pair of rollerblades. I'd go out and play in the street with the neighborhood kids and usually ended up standing in goal with no pads, just the skates and a forward stick. After many, many bruises, I finally broke down and bought a pair of Mylec pads and a Mylec stick. Donning my baseball mitt as a catcher, a plain winter glove as a blocker, and two sweatshirts as a body and arm pad (man, did that get hot in the summer!) I began spending more and more time in the net until I just didn't want to play forward at all. Well, time went on and the equipment got better bit by tiny bit and my skill level improved (somewhat). I played in an organized roller hockey league here at Tech until last semester when I finally made the leap to ice. I made it as the VA Tech team's backup only because the starter was the only other goalie at tryouts. I played in one and a half games out of a 21 game season, but I'm just happy that I got to play at all, since I did just start playing ice last summer. I'm looking forward to this summer when I plan on ordering some Battram BPGP 2000's from Scott as soon as I earn enough money to pay for them. :) The new Battram catcher and blocker that I got this season have definitely made an improvement on my game now that I'm not scared to touch the puck with the old Cooper gloves I used to have. Well, if you made it this far I'd like to thank you for reading and remember, the pipes are your friends. :) Later, Dave GAA 6.50 Save % 75.6% ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rosser, Tim A." Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 16 Apr 1997 07:42:00 -0500 I have tried the mask before and currently play with the helment/cage combo. I like the helment/cage combo better. To me, it seems to give you more vision. I thought that with the mask you tend to lose some vision. Thanks, Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 16 Apr 1997 14:24:53 +0100 >> Here it is, my first day on the list and I'm polling opinions already! This >> guy's gonna be a trouble maker, I can see that now! >> >> Which do you folks like better...the helmet/ cage combo worn by Irbe, Hasek, >> Terreri, Osgood, etc or the more popular molded mask/ cage style worn by Roy, >> Beezer, Puppa, Ranford, (heck,practically every other NHL goalie)?? >> >> I am trying to decide which one to go with...any suggestions, experiences, >> preferences, input, etc etc? >> Well playing field hockey, I started with the Terreri/Osgood helmet, but I've just paid $500 for the new VacPac helmet from Pro-Masque, I belive Dwayne Roloson was the first goalie to wear one in the NHL (March 1st) It's your basic moulded design ALA Hextall/Roy etc, but it has some new features like air bags by your temples and cheek bones. It's funny because playing field hockey, I'd rather have the VacPac, because it's differant from everyone elses (they all have the Terreri/Osgood mask) and I'd be the first goalie in the league to wear one, but if I played NHL (wishfull thinking) I'd wear my Terreri/Osgood mask COOPER SK 2000. C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaslekween@aol.com Subject: Re: My Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 09:57:27 -0400 (EDT) One more bio coming........ Name: Karina Faul Age: 29 I live in Pensacola Florida and the reason I am on this list is because my 6 year old has a passion for playing goalie and I thought I could learn more about being a goalie and what is needed(and maybe a deal or too, also). I am a former speed skater and am learning how to rollerblade without killing myself or others while skating. I may not be a wealth of knowledge but I am hoping to gain knowledge from you all. Thanks!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina D. LaLiberte" Subject: My bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 10:31:17 -0500 (EST) Just delurking for a minute-- My name is Gina LaLiberte and I started playing hockey two years ago at the ripe old age of 25. I've been a hockey fan since high school, but made the jump to goaltending when I joined the women's club team at BGSU, where I am a grad student. Now I'm hooked! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: opinions please... Date: 16 Apr 1997 08:37:38 -0700 (PDT) >Here it is, my first day on the list and I'm polling opinions already! This >guy's gonna be a trouble maker, I can see that now! > >Which do you folks like better...the helmet/ cage combo worn by Irbe, Hasek, >Terreri, Osgood, etc or the more popular molded mask/ cage style worn by Roy, >Beezer, Puppa, Ranford, (heck,practically every other NHL goalie)?? > >I am trying to decide which one to go with...any suggestions, experiences, >preferences, input, etc etc? > >See ya at the bar, >Jeff Jeff I've played in both and definitely prefer the mask style. The mask offers substantially more protection and better vision. The mask is heavier, but I had no problem adjustung. A mask only offers more protection if it is made of fiberglass with at least some kevlar reinforcement. Masks made of plastic do not, in my opinion, offer an equivalent level of protection. Fiberglass masks are much stiffer than either helmets (which are made of plastic) or the plastic masks. This stiffness means that shot impacts are spread out over the entire mask. Helmets, on the other hand, deform with the shot transferring the impact to a much smaller area resulting in greater impact to our head from equivalent shots. Masks are also designed to deflect pucks. Helmets tend to stop pucks. Resulting, again, in greater impact to your head. I also feel that masks offer greater peripheral vision than do helmets. Equipment choice should, however, take into account the level of play you are currently at and the level you can reasonably expect to reach during the lifetime of a piece of gear. If you are not yet facing high hard shots or deflections of hard shots (which is where most head impacts occur) and need to save money, a helmet/cage would be adequate. If you are facing hard shots, I would recommend the mask. VanVelden makes a very good line of masks which provide good protection at a reasonable price. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Kelsey Subject: Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 12:02:47 -0500 Age - 48 (still the oldest goalie on the list!) My interest in Hockey started back in the late 60's early '70's when I was at Cornell, and they were the team to beat - 54 straight wins at home during that time. Ken Dryden was the guy in the net.... I had played a little pond hockey growing up near Ithaca, and played one or two intramural games while at Cornell "skating" out. I started playing at age 35 (so most of you can see you have a LOT of years left to play!) in a startup adult league here in Findlay Ohio. All my experience has been in that league, which went from 4 teams that first year to three leagues with a total of 16 teams this past year. Most of my coaching came from the many guys who scored on me those first couple of years. Over the years I have picked things up from other goalies who have come thru the local rink for tournaments, etc. This year was probably my best ever - probably due to the loss of 15 lbs before the beginning of the season getting me back down to almost the wieght I was when I got out of Grad School back in '74. Towards the end of the season I finally bought my first new gear ever - pads, upper body protector, and blocker - all from Scott Battram here on the list. High point of my playing was the two times I got to play a period against the Red Wings Old Timers team. They scored at will - but it sure was an eye opener and a lot of fun. Bill Bill Kelsey Findlay Room 962M x-4177 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: BIOBIOBIOBIOBIO Date: 16 Apr 1997 12:19:24 EST Okay, okay I'll jump on the wagon to... Here's my bio... Name : Jason Tryon Age : 31 Place of Birth : St. Louis, MO Currently : Chattanooga, TN Profession : Systems Programmer Personal : Married, my wife and I have five children, 3 boys, 2 girls, all of whom have expressed an interest in playing hockey. I started playing street hockey in front of my house when I was about three. (Got my nose broken for the first time about then) Started playing organized ice hockey at about six. I started playing goal at 10, literally on a whim. We were playing a pick up game, and were short a goalie. I said, "Heck I'll give it a shot." My coach was mortified when I wanted to switch, because I had been a prolific goal scorer until that point. My family moved to Chattanooga when I was 13, which pretty much put an end to my hopes of an NHL career. We did have ice hockey here then, and I played in the youth league until I was 16 when I started playing pick up games with the adults. Because of a lack of players, I'd moved back out to center. The ice rink closed here about 10 years ago, which marked the end of my playing at the time. A year ago I found out there was an inline league here, and started playing, once again back in goal. My first full season back playing my team won the league championship with me in goal. The last season we had more goalies than we did teams so I volunteered to play forward for my team for the rest of the season. Before the switch my stats were. GAA 3.23, Sav% .897, averaging 35-45 shots on goal per game. After switching to left wing, I averaged 2 goals and 3 points per game, even getting a hat trick during the playoofs. I also coach the 13-17 age youth travel team. Rumor has it that a new ice rink is going in here in the next few months. Here's hoping, but even if it doesn't, I'll be back on the ice in Knoxville for the summer season there. Well there I am... Hope I didn't bore anybody too much... Jason Tryon #31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: My Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:10:17, -0500 although not a player I'll join too I'm a rollergoalie mom, of a 14yo male. He starts his first ice season this week, after 2 years of roller-ing. I started keeping his personal stats after his first season when it was obvious the scorekeeper was more interested in flirting with the teenagers than keeping goal scores. At the time, son Mike was barely 12, playing with 15-17 yo. One night the scorekeeper/announcer thrust the microphone at me so she could take a bathroom break. The rest is league history. I now keep alll the stats for the league, plus scorekeep & occasional announcement duties too. The kid is now 6ft, so last Nov, before finding this list, we bog him a complete set of Vaughns Visions inside & out. Now he's saving to get Battram's for when he needs replacements. I tell him all the neat things I've found out by reading this list and he's put some of them to good use. Most recent roller stats: GAA 2.89 85.68 SV% I skate regular quads only, have been on ice one time in skates that were too big but I made it around the rink without falling. Mike's dad doesn't skate at all, bad knees. Bobbie Stanfill, in FtWorth Texas, home of the Central Hockey League Western Divison Champions the Fire, soon to be the Levins Trophy winners. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Subject: Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:34:39 -0500 Name: David Fisher Age: 26 Residence: Louisville, Ky all 26 years Profession: Electronic Pre-press/Graphic Designer/Web Designer Personal: Married 4 mos w/ 1 on the way in Sept (future goalie I hope) I enjoyed watching hockey since the 80 olympics but never had any other exposure to it until about 7 years ago when the Icehawks (ECHL) came to town. About 3.5-4 years ago a bunch of use started banging the puck around in some parking lots, first in shoes then on skates. I started staying back in goal and it just kinda seemed natural. I got a pair of plastic Cooper pads and was using a first baseman's mitt and a Koho pastic mask and football elbow pads up and down my arms. We then decided to join a new roller hockey league with most of us on the same team and we basicall stunk up the place getting killed 20-1 on a regular basis with me facing about 40-50 shots a game. Little by little I started getting Louisville ice hockey gear. After about a year of that, I was skating at the ice rink in my new goal skates and the owner invited my to pickup even tho I didn't have a decent mask or body pads (I ended up borrowing them). There was a veteran goalie there about to hang up the pads who got me to come out from the crease more and that night i came out about 15-20 feet on a breakaway, the guy let go with a hard slapper that I made a nice glove save on and was hooked and never went back to roller except 2-3 times to fill in and just play with some of the guys still playing roller. I have since played ice for 2 years in the adult B league and played pickup with a lot of guys in the A league. I also played for the University of Louisville for about 1/2 of their first season (they are now in the second). After my fourth season in the B league I will be playing in the A league starting in about a month even tho I feel I should have been there the last season or two. The only formal coaching I have had was a weekend clinic put on by Mitch Korn who coaches for the Buffalo Sabres and the University of Miami (Ohio). The clinic was designed for 18 and under but there was room left so they let me in. He taught me a lot of technique and gave me a lot of tips that I may not have ever been able to pick up on my own even watching the pros. In fact I see a lot of pros (even NHLers) making basic mistakes that I make a consious effort not to do, as in raising the stick when they go down into a butterfly, thus allowing the puck to go between their legs when it should have been an easy stick save. They have me beat just about everywhere else but it does make me feel good when I know that I could made an easy save when a pro gives up a bad goal. I have also been keeping up a web page for my team. Even tho it's kinda simple it contains all of our team's stats and the league standings. I am currently in the process of starting a business doing web design. That's about it. sorry for the length...... http://www.aye.net/~netmindr _________________________________________________ "Make Like Hockey Players and Get The PUCK OUT!" http://www.aye.net/~netmindr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: My Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:44:31 -0400 (EDT) NAME: CHRISTINE BREWER D.O.B. 9-26-71 HOMETOWN: ROCHESTER,NY STATUS: MARRIED I started playing floor hockey at age 10.. Funny thing the coach couldn't get me in the net... He would try and drag me their.... I always wanted to play ice.. But my father said I was to old to start playing ice hockey.. I think he was just lazy and didn't want to take me.. But when I was in my senior year of high school , Their was an artical in the paper on a womans ice hockey team in Rochester.. Witch I now play for... So I started playing at skate and shoots... And the next year I tried out for the team... A freind of mine was a goalie and told me to try it ... Well I did .. And liked it.. But at that time I didn't know girls had to wear jill straps.. Yes a nice wrist shot.. Oh boy did that hurt... Well the goalie for the team broke her ankle.. and we had no one to play, so silly me raised my hand and said I'll try it... And they gave me a hole set of equipment... I can't believe I survied a season in that stuff... But it was free.. Now it's seven years later and I'm still playing... I was in Brampton for the womans championship a few weeks ago...And we took second in the division... I also met with Scott Battram that weekend and ordered a full set of gear.. Spent four hours in his shop.. Mostly chatting... And he drove to Brampton from Woodstock an hour away to watch one of my games, Sure it had to be the only game we lost... HA HA HA.. I thought it was great that he drove to watch me play.. Well I think I talked everyones ears off... But hey I'm glad I'm playing, And I did it all myself.. I love to tell my father that... See Ya... GOALIEBABE..... P.S. Sorry for any spelling error's.. to many pucks to the head..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: For all those mailing lists. Date: 16 Apr 1997 14:43:57 -0700 I know this has nothing to do with goaltending, and our goalie list is good about these things, but it's hella funny and I had to share. >Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light >bulb? > >A: 1,331: > >1 to successfully change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that >the light bulb has been changed > >14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light >bulb could have been changed differently. > >7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > >27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. > >53 to flame the spell checkers > >156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb >discussion and its inappropriateness >to this mail list. > >41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. > >109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this >email exchange to alt.lite.bulb > >203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and >alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. > >111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light >bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. > >306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to >buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this >technique, and what brands are faulty. > >27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs > >14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. > >3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this >list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. > >33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers >and footers, and then add "Me Too." > >12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot >handle the light bulb controversy. > >19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." > >4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. > >1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. > >47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it >here. > >143 votes for a new list alt.lite.bulb. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solar Bear #30 Subject: Bio x2 Date: 16 Apr 1997 17:11:55 -0500 We are as follows: Donna & TJ Gardner Solar Bear #30 & Wolfman #1 Both 40 yrs old Current location: Huntsville, Alabama originally from the Last Frontier Fairbanks, AK (Huntsville just hosted the USAHockey PeeWee National Championships.) Married almost 22 yrs - no kids - still raising each other Goalie instructors for about 4 1/2 yrs Playing about 6 yrs Hockey fan(addicts) for 20+ and 7 yrs respectively (had to literally drag him kicking and screaming to his first game, after that you'd think he had been a fan all his life!) Sideline - equpiment managers for Univ. Alabama-Huntsville Charger hockey team - 1996 NCAA DII champions, Runner-up 1994, 1997. Sort of makes us team parents to 26 kids. I am an honor graduate of the Ron Hextall school, I don't have the high penalty minutes that Ron has but the opposition thinks I'm pycho and avoids confrontation! If they only knew... Donna -- Solar Bear #30 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending. Our Motto:"Call as many penalties as you want, someone else has to sit." Do not use "Reply" to send email. Manually enter solrbear@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Unidentified subject! Date: 17 Apr 1997 00:43:38 +0200 Here it goes, another bio: Born: 1 Oct. '76 (Guess I am one of the yuong ones on the list) Status: Singel, no kids Living in: Uppsala, Sweden (I am an American but I was raised here, we will see if I stay here . . .) I have basically played icehockey for about two years, nothing really serious, just with friends on local ice spots, with borrowed gear, I have alot (as many I suppose) bruises back then and I still get them, for example I have pee wee leg pads that afford no inner thigh or calf protection, ouch! I do however have a Cooper GM9 catcher but I had it "flat" so I was taking all the pucks to the palm, another ouch!, until a junior goalie pointed out that I could give it a pocket! Any way here there isn't really that much of an opportunity for older(?) people to start playing (an earlier attempt was responded with "Why don't you just watch us play." ). A guy I know and I are checking around for a low level league but have yet to find one. I also play floorball (why don't you read a little about it on my page http://af1.angelfire.com/hi/agoalie/index.html, sorry you can't click on the address), in goal, I have done so for about two seasons at a low level but have mostly played B games, but it is fun and I have my sights set on a high standered. I'll just finish this off by saying this is a great list, just ask something and wham there are lots of people (goalies) answering. By the way does anybody have any good hand eye coordination or concentration excersises (I have this one where you drop a stick in different ways (I got it from Tretiak's book) and I have gotten better at it but resently I realised I could almost do it just as well with my eyes closed . . .)? I need to learn to follow the ball/puck with my eyes instead of just staring straight ahead when I make saves. Sorry it was so long, I tend to ramble on. Keep making those saves! Or in some cases, keep teaching your kid how to make those saves! Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: More Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 19:48:46 -0400 (EDT) By the way, is anyone collecting these bios for later publication either on the web or by a email file for people who want to learn more about this netminding crowd? Bio: Name: Rob Miracle Age: 36 Hockey Experience: Mostly Coaching. My 10 year old is a goalie in our roller league and my 6 year old is a wanna-be, but he is a strong defenseman (made the 8&U travel squad at 6). I coach both kids in house, and the older one in Travel. I have been coaching hockey for 2.5 years now and have been coaching youth sports for 6+ years. The goalie mom Sherry is lurking here somewhere. Rob -- Rob Miracle rwm@mpgn.com for webmaster@mpgn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Yet Another Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 20:31:11 -0400 While the momentum is here... Name: Kevin R. Burgess Age: 36 Hometown: Nashua, NH USA (Originally from North Reading, MA USA) Occupation: Software Development Manager (full time), Web site design (for ice, equipment, fun, sometimes money), Webmaster for Pro-Masque Status: Married - 3 kids, 8 year old son (a real jock), 6 year old daughter (same), 2 1/2 year old daughter (getting there) I started playing net when I was 8 and played til I was 15. My shoulders kept getting knocked out (those old arm pads didn't cut it, I had to use basketball knee pads to protect my arms at the openings!). I lost all interest in hockey (except for 1 semester of intramural in college) and became a certified ski instructor. I got myself into better physical shape and didn't start skating again til I was 31. I bought a bunch of used equipment to see if I wanted to get back into net again at 34, and now love it again! My first season back we won the league championship! I was going to try to make a mask of my own (like my dad did when I was kid), til I found out how complex the process had become. I play 3 - 4 times a week now (after the kids are in bed!). Regards, Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 22:43:59 +0000 Greetings, Kevin C. Scott Born 11/14/71 Columbus, GA USA Experience: -Winter '95 learned to skate and started playing hockey outdoors with the over 40 league. Yes, they skated circles around me... -Summer '95, moved to Boulder, CO. Went to a hockey school for "shooters" and asked, midway through camp, "could I try playing in net?" There were no goalies at our school and I had never put on the pads before. Needless to say the first few minutes were quite awkward. But, it was the most thrilling, physically and mentally challenging thing I've ever done. -Winter '95 played for an adult league. My first game was 12-1. I almost quit right there. Next game 7-2. Next game 6-2. 5-3. 3-1. 1-3. 1-2. 1-3. 1-4. Hmmm... I'm starting to like this. On the night of my first winning game, our team captain said - "Scott, you're on the ice first tonight." I'd heared of the tradition of goalies go first - but had never been invited to do so. That night I was so full of confidence that the puck looked like a beach ball going in slow motion. It was absolutely incredible. I lived for nearly seven months with only one thing on my mind - doing everything I could to get better at my game. I played drop in, went to 1am practice sessions with two different teams and played almost every day - I couldn't get enough. Another great moment was the night I was given perhaps my most memorable compliment. I was changing after a practice session with another team. Their game goalie wouldn't come to practice sessions because he was already "good enough". I was nowhere near their calibre, but I worked my butt off. In return, I was rewarded with a round of - "yeah, if only our regular goalie worked as hard as you..." -Spring '96 moved to Columbus, GA. No more ice. I took up playing inline - and continue to do so, though it's just not the same. In October of '96 a new civic center opened up in town to host the CHL Columbus Cottonmouths. The ice was not open to the public - ever. But one night, after the last home game of the season, a few buddies and I stayed late after the game and got to play for about two hours while the cleanup crew went through the building. Won't forget that one either. I've got time - I can wait a bit longer to get back to ice... -- Kevin C. Scott Coca-Cola Space Science Center 701 Front Avenue Columbus, GA 31901 (706) 649-1471 http://www.ccssc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: For all those mailing lists. Date: 16 Apr 1997 22:46:31, -0500 LOL Steve, I just sent this to 3 other lists & several people today! bobbie goaliemom --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- I know this has nothing to do with goaltending, and our goalie list is good about these things, but it's hella funny and I had to share. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noralee.Raymond@Dartmouth.EDU (Noralee Raymond) Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: 16 Apr 1997 23:08:27 EDT --- Adam Troy wrote: does anybody have any good hand eye coordination or concentration excersises (I have this one where you drop a stick in different ways (I got it from Tretiak's book) and I have gotten better at it but resently I realised I could almost do it just as well with my eyes closed . . .)? I need to learn to follow the ball/puck with my eyes instead of just staring straight ahead when I make saves. --- end of quoted material --- There is a ball call a z ball made by Kytec, Innovative Sports Equiptment in Bloominton, MN. Atleast that is where I ordered mine from. It isn't round, it has 4 knobs sticking out of it so that when you bounce it you can't be sure which direction it will go in. You can bounce it off the ground, against a wall, against the corner of two walls, or any other form that you can think of. I have found it to work very well. It is nearly impossible to guess which direction it will bounce, and even harder if you play withg more than one person either both of you bouncing it off the wall or bouncing it back and forth. You may actually be able to find it in a pet store as I have seen them in one since getting mine. For about half the price, too. I think I payed $10 for the one I have. If you care to call the store, the number is 612 884-3424. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Fielding" Subject: Re: For all those mailing lists. Date: 16 Apr 1997 23:18:26 -0400 And you know your having a bad night when they have to stop the game to replace the bulb behind your net.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 23:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Ok here goes: Name: John Iazzetti Age: 19 Place of Birth: Bronx, NY Well I started playing hockey when i was about 8. And nobody wanted to play net, so i was the "Volunteer Goalie" (kinda stupid with no equipment). I played between 2 Con Edison street cones, and all i had for equipment was a Mylec forward stick. Then i joined a roller hockey league about when i was 13. And in this league there were senior and junior teams, and the senior teams where allowed to call up players from the junior team that had the same name, for example the Senior Bruins were allowed to call up from the Junior Bruins, but you weren't allowed to send senior down.. So i was on the junior Bruins..and the Senior Bruins didn't have a goalie. So guess who volunteered again. By this time i had pads, stick and a helmet only. The league supplied chest and arm, and i borrowed my friends gloves. Had no shorts and alot of bruises on my thigh. any way, i played net for 6 years and then became a defenseman, and only play goal in pickup now.. I got my younger brother playing now, he is 9 and he is awesome. He was asked to play a pickup interschool game that had 16-17 year olds in it. In 4 straight hours of non-stop hockey, he only gave up 7 goals. I started him off when he was about 5. When mom left i would shoot tennis balls at him in the living room, and didn't think that would make him as good as he is now. I coached him this year in roller hockey and we got bumped in the first round in a 2 out of 3 series and we won game 1 and lost game 2 in double OT (20 minute periods), and lost game 3..Without him the team would have went nowhere..May 10 is the awards night and I'm giving him team MVP, cause he was by far the Most Valuable Player... John #42 Gamblers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noralee.Raymond@Dartmouth.EDU (Noralee Raymond) Subject: my life Date: 16 Apr 1997 23:53:20 EDT Just an aside: the day this bio email started I had just sent out a blitz to my bio lab group labeled "bio." When I checked my mail again, before I opened the message, I thought I had sent the bio note to the wrong list. I blitzed a few weeks ago about a paper I am trying to write. To be a bit more specific I am looking for stuff regarding the emotions involved with making that huge save or the mental state of being in goal in general. I'm working on ideas such as the sense of being part of the team or feeling a certain separation from them. Is the crease a divider between you and the team (yours and the opponents)? What thoughts are going through your head when you are scored on or when the puck is at the other end? Mental game preparation. Is there a mental change you feel as you walk into the rink? My Bio My 21st birthday is almost here. I was born 6-8-76. I've played hockey since I was 6, goalie since I was 10. I grew up in Maine, my town association played on an outdoor rink. I played travel hockey starting at 12 which involved an hour commute just to get to the rink we played at. I went to a camp in Minnesota at 13 and realized what was out there in the world of hockey. At 14 I talked my parents into letting me move to Minnesota to play on a junior team. That team folded financially, but I stayed out and played for the high school there since the competition there was inherently better. The hockey camp that I had gone to was also the summer training camp for the San Jose Sharks and I was able to work my way into their group my third year there. I got to play with some amazing players: Victor Kozlov, Andrei Nezarov, Brian Boucher, Alexi Yegorov, Sean Donovan, Frederick Oduya, Dody Wood and a bunch of others. It was an amazing experience and great fun. After high school I played a year of junior hockey. I had been babying bad shoulders for two years and when I broke my thumb (my blocker hand, someone crashed the net and my own teammate landed on me and bent it over backwards, almost had to have surgery), I decided to go through with shoulder surgery. Ended up I had some detached ligaments. I took my share of beatings, had a bad habit of breaking fingers by closing my glove to soon, the last one I broke, at hockey camp, was right after I got back from shoulder surgery and I refused to believe it was broken for the first four weeks and it ended up I had crushed it. Of course, then the doctors couldn't really do anything and I now have a huge deformed ring finger. I decided it was best to head to college because I didn't know what another year of juniors would do for me. So I am now a freshman at Dartmouth College. Major still unknown, we don't declare till mid-sophmore year. I didn't handle the transition to women's hockey well. There wasn't the same intensity, within me or the sport. I decided it was time to move on and have played open hockey as a forward a few times since I stopped playing. I may pick it up again but right now I am focusing on school and am not able to go out and just enjoy playing. I guess what I enjoyed most about hockey was succeeding, the emotion that came with stopping the puck, and the challege in doing it. The level I played at was always a challenge. When it was no longer a challenge I didn't challenge myself. I could not justify spending time doing something I was not enjoying when time is so limited here. I stepped away from goaltending for myself because I had started to hate something I loved and because I felt it was unfair for the team. It was also because I could not stand to take the starting position away from a girl who totally loved to play and had a great attitude no matter what the circumstances. I thought it to be a little demented when I did not care or actually prefered if she played. She often got put in when we were way ahead or if we played an easier team, the coach would ask me if I would mind if she played. I loved to watch her play. She was having a blast and she always had the best comments and a great sense of humor. I knew her desire to play would equal any technique or talent I had. I do miss the sport very much, but playing here just did not provide me with the same fulfillment. I had worked so hard to play at as high a level as I could and when I lost that goal by switching over to women's hockey the fun of playing, for me, was lost. I did coach the goalie for Hanover High School, the local high school around here for those of you who aren't familiar, and found it to be great fun. Anyway sorry for all the rambling. Noralee Raymond ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chapman Subject: Bio Date: 16 Apr 1997 21:02:10 -0700 Sean Chapman DOB 09Mar88 San Jose Blades #35 Mite level traveling team Sean started playing roller hockey at age 5. He played on defense on a in-house team. One game, his coach decided to pull their goalie near the end of the 3rd period. Unfortunately, the other team quickly moved down the floor towards the net. Sean went in front of the net, deflected 3 shots with his stick and dropped on top of another. The regular goalie came back in, the game was lost, but a new goalie was born. He moved to ice that summer. Has played 2 years of in-house, moving this past year to the travelling team. The Blades have done well this year. We are driving to LA tomorrow for this weekend's CA state finals. Sean will be taking Rick Heinz's school this summer for the second time. His most memorable instructor was Arturs Irbe. Last summer, Kevin Constantine and Doug Wilson ran a series of hockey camps here in the Bay Area. Artie came by one day to work with the goalies. He spent almost an hour with Sean and one other boy, working on their positioning, testing their flexibility, and giving them some drills to work on later. We talked afterwards and I was very impressed on how down-to-earth Artie was. This was just after the disastrous 95-96 Shark season when his status was very unclear. I'm glad to see that Artie has been doing well in Dallas. Me: I'm GoalieDad. Played as a kid, but not in goal. Dennis Dennis Chapman dec@scruznet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Russell Subject: Unidentified subject! Date: 17 Apr 1997 03:13 EST While we're on the topic: Name: Barry Russell DOB: 10/10/63 Hometown: Watertown NY Current residence: London, England (actually a small town in Surrey, near London, but close enough) Hockey experience: Played for 10 years up to high school. Quit for 12 years and picked it back up again after law school (about 7 years ago). I've been playing playing solid for 7 years (except the several months I missed after moving to this pleasant (but hockey-deprived) country. Secret: Keep buying progressively lighter gear as you get older, particularly pads. Regards, //BEGIN BINARY MAIL SEGMENT: begin 0644 ATTRIBS.BND M0F5Y;VYD(%!A8VME9"!!='1R:6)U=&5S +0514* M M M %)U6EN9R!S;VQI9"!F;W(@-R!Y96%R2UD97!R:79E9"D@8V]U M;G1R>2X*4V5C2!L:6=H M=&5R(&=E87(@87,@>6]U(&=E="!O;&1E Subject: Bio Date: 17 Apr 1997 01:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Keith M. Barbato 3/31/77 Hometown: San Ramon, Ca. Occupation: Student at University of Oregon My goaltending career began at the tender age of Thirteen, the advent of the roller Blade. At that time all of my friends had roller blades and played huge amounts of Roller Hockey. I wanted to give it a try, but since I did not have any roller blades, my friends decided that I should play goal. I was a little Gun shy at first, but I gradually grew to love the rush one gets when robbing some poor schmoe who thought he was going to score. When I finally got a pair of Roller Blades, I was such a poor skater, I remained in the goal. But by that time, I was already hooked to goaltending. I played in a few leagues in beautiful Mission Viejo, Ca. Where I was living at the time. I managed to get on a commercial for the local roller hockey store, showing me getting beaten by a nifty backhand shot that cruised over my sholder and into the upper corner of the net. I was just a little off angle. My dad got a brand new job in Northern Ca. So when we moved to San Ramon Ca, My parents fulfilled a wish I had bugged them about for nearly two Years: Ice hockey. Having very Little experience, I somehow managed to win the starting job for Banttam "A" team. Carried them all the way to the state championship and finished forth. The next year I had advanced to Midgets. I had weak defense and became cannon fodder, but I robbed quite a few people that year. In my senior year of High School I gave Tier II a shot, my team was hopelessly outclassed and we got rocked virtually every game. Suffered from slight shell-shock (j/K) after the season. ZBut I became a better goalie because of it. Currently I am the Cooridinator/1st string goalie for the University of Oregon. Go Ducks! Hope none of you fell asleep while reading this :) Sincerely, Keith M. Barbato #44 "The Wall" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: More Bio Date: 17 Apr 1997 08:56:25, -0500 umm, I am, but it was only for my own memory jogging. I can make it anemail file, if asked. I'd rather not be out on the web, personally. bobbie in ftworth --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- By the way, is anyone collecting these bios for later publication either on the web or by a email file for people who want to learn more about this netminding crowd? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arnsat@magna.com.au Subject: helmet V Mask Date: 17 Apr 1997 23:48:10 +1000 (EST) Hi all, Bit behind in subject here but i just had to add my opinion: REAL MEN WEAR HELMETS!! HAHAHA i prefer the helmet as you may have guessed because 1) I think they offer more protection at the back 2)In my experience they have more ventilation. 3) They just plain look better seeya...Paul Ps.....notice how the the best goalies wear helmets?? ie osgood and hasek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JFrazee123@aol.com Subject: Re: More Bio Date: 17 Apr 1997 10:16:13 -0400 (EDT) I'm a goalie Dad Jim Frazee The goalie's name is Jeff Frazee 9 Years old Jeff has been playing hockey for 5 years now full time goalie for 1year. This past winter his first full winter season as a goalie he made the squirt A team for Appley Valley, he was e youngest kid on the team. Last summer he tryed out the Team Minnesota and made the team which played at the Minor Novice level. Team Minnesota puts on a turnament each summer with over 100 team from around the world, approx. 6 different age levels play in the event that last 1 week and they play at about 8 different rinks around the twin cities. He just made Team Minnesota agian this year at the Major Novice level, at this age the kid will take a trip to Canada the end of June Ist part of July for a tournament and them compete in the tournament here at the end of July 1st part of August. For spring, summer and fall he is play on a select team called Minnesota Pride. The players were all born either 1987 or 1988. We just got back for Lake Placid, NY. were the kids played in the Can/Am Tournament and the Team brought home the GOLD Medal for their age group. I subcribe to the goalie list to try to keep up with whats new, tips, ideas, goalie schools, equiptment and the woows of other goalie parents. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: helmet V Mask Date: 17 Apr 1997 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Paul It's a bit of s stretch to consider Osgood one of "the best". He's not even the best on his team, much less the league. Hasek, on the other hand, definitely is one of the best. I'm not quite sure I understand this preoccupation with "protection at the back" as being the advantage of a helmet. Perhaps you could elaborate. In 15 years of playing goal I have not been hit in the back of the head. This lack of contact is also why upper body pads save weight by leaving no protection to the back. Looking forward t your reply. Larry Smith >Hi all, >Bit behind in subject here but i just had to add my opinion: > >REAL MEN WEAR HELMETS!! > >HAHAHA > >i prefer the helmet as you may have guessed because 1) I think they offer >more protection at the back >2)In my experience they have more ventilation. >3) They just plain look better > >seeya...Paul > >Ps.....notice how the the best goalies wear helmets?? ie osgood and hasek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: goalies and coaches Date: 17 Apr 1997 12:24:39 -0400 This may be a bit off topic, but I'm curious about this subject. I'm a bit perplexed with how head coaches handle their goaltenders. A lot of head coaches in the NHL just don't seem to know how to handle goalies. Is this just a matter of guys who were forwards or D all their life not being able to understand how to deal with goalies? The two cases which baffle me are that with the Detroit Red Wings and the Toronto Maple Leafs. I have no idea why Mike Vernon is starting for the Wings, but Bowman has clearly picked him as his go to guy. Sure, Vernon's won a Cup, and he is still a decent goaltender. But look at the playoffs two years ago - he had his chance. New Jersey certainly outplayed Detroit then, but the Wings also weren't getting the kind of goaltending they needed to hold them in the game. Whenever I've seen Osgoode play, he's been senational. Vernon is still solid, but not sensational. I cannot understand why Bowman refuses to give Osgoode the #1 assignment. The two goals last night were not bad goals, but I've seen Osgoode come up with big saves on plays like that more often than not. As for the Leafs - their coach Mike Murphy played Felix Potvin in more games than any other goaltender this season. Even when the Leafs were in the mdst of a huge losing streak, during which Potvin continued to give up a few weak goals every game, they kept playing him. When the backup Marcel Cousineau would get one or two starts in 20 games, whether he played well or not, Potvin was back in for another 20... If Cousineau let in a bad goal, Murph would say they couldn't afford those kinds of mistakes, but when Potvin did his response would be that Potvin should get the next start to redeem themselves. Even after the Leafs were out, Cousineau got one start, and one start only in 10 games. He has a fair bit to go in terms of development, but how do you get experience by sitting on the bench for 20 games? Whether you disagree or not regarding my two examples above, do you think that a lot of coaches just don't know how to manage goaltenders, and so they just tend to stick to one system? Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smythel@operatns.mohawkc.on.ca Subject: Re: helmet V Mask Date: 17 Apr 1997 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Larry Smith wrote: > Paul > > It's a bit of s stretch to consider Osgood one of "the best". He's not > even the best on his team, much less the league. Hasek, on the other hand, > definitely is one of the best. > > I'm not quite sure I understand this preoccupation with "protection at the > back" as being the advantage of a helmet. Perhaps you could elaborate. In > 15 years of playing goal I have not been hit in the back of the head. This > lack of contact is also why upper body pads save weight by leaving no > protection to the back. > > Looking forward t your reply. > > Larry Smith > > I use to where a mask before the cages were used. I was hit in the temple with a slap shot from twenty feet out that caused a perforation in my right ear drum, drove me backward, hit my head on the cross bar. The rear protection didn't help. I switched to a helmet and cage. That was twenty years ago. Larry Smythe smythel@operatns.mohawkc.on.ca System Analyst Mohawk College Phone: (905) 575-1212 ext. 3001 Hamilton, Ontario Fax : (905) 575-2302 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: helmet V Mask Date: 17 Apr 1997 09:56:36 -0700 >It's a bit of s stretch to consider Osgood one of "the best". He's not >even the best on his team, much less the league. Hasek, on the other hand, >definitely is one of the best. > >I'm not quite sure I understand this preoccupation with "protection at the >back" as being the advantage of a helmet. Perhaps you could elaborate. In >15 years of playing goal I have not been hit in the back of the head. This >lack of contact is also why upper body pads save weight by leaving no >protection to the back. I don't know about you...but I can't *count* the number of times...that I've made a save...with the back of my head! "Dood's coming in on a break! I can't watch this! *spin head* THUNK!!! GREAT SAVE, LANGEVIN!!!" Think about it...the only thing really protected on your back side is your backside! There's a reason for that. ;) As for the helmet vs mask cases, I'll wait until I've tried both to make up my mind (I'm using a Hasek style helmet-cage combo right now). Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew_maholski@reyrey.com (ANDREW D MAHOLSKI) Subject: Re: Goalies and Coaches Date: 17 Apr 1997 13:12:17 -0400 You have to admit, goalies are an odd breed. Take Darren Puppa for example. Many of his teammates say he is very strange. Then you have Patrick Roy. Roy jumps over each line on his way to goal, he talks to his posts. I'm not saying any thing bad about Roy, I jump lines too. I just think some people have a problem knowing how to relate to some goal tenders. Many coaches who were ex-forwards/ex-defence men have been conditioned to hate the goal posts where-as we all know the posts are our best friends. I don't know what common frame of reference some coaches have with the goalie, so yes it is hard for a coach to change his system sometimes. Then you have the other side of the equation. Eddie Johnson stuck with Wregget last year in the playoffs even when Barasso was ready to return because Wregget was the hot goalie. What was Eddie in his pro carreer? Thats right, a goalie. Maybe goalies make better coaches? Thats a debate for another time I suppose, but they do have a unique perspective from the crease. Andrew M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Stories ... Date: 17 Apr 1997 15:13:19 EST Okay everybody, let's here your best, "No S**T there I was, it really happend stories..." ... Come on, don't be shy... Jason Tryon #31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BURNS,JEREMY" Subject: BIO. Date: 17 Apr 1997 03:08PM Jeremy Burns 7/20/68, single Born and raised in Texas, got the hockey bug a few years back when my band and I moved to Chicago (I am probably one of the few people who would list Ed Belfour as a "musical influence"!)...when we moved back to TX we sort of fell into inline hockey, and found enough like-minded others to start a team... Reading some of your bios, I saw a lot of experiences similar to mine--the unplanned going-down-to-stop-a-shot-and-look-we-have-a-goalie-now thing, the stopping pucks with forwards' shin guards and no mask thing (actually, they never seemed to hit those parts...) against people like this one former minor leaguer dude who thought he was Al Iafrate...I guess the sick part is, I was having so much fun! I suppose that when I realized that, that's when I knew this was something I really, really wanted to do for a long, long time... So I'm still new--about 1 yr. exp., but it feels like I've been doing it forever (not that I have delusions of grandeur, but that it just feels so good and natural to be between those pipes--I catch a buzz from it every time!)... we are getting our local community involved (Paris, TX) and they have built an inline rink for us at the local park-- I get to paint my own crease tomorrow! woo-hoo! My most memorable moment so far was probably when we went to a tournament in Fort Worth and got absolutely slaughtered by this team that had been together for over a decade...they beat us 12-0, we were playing "efense" (that is, no 'd') which mostly consisted of my teammates yelling "Sorry, Jeremy!" from the other side of the rink while i faced 3-on-me's the whole game. They toyed with me like a cat with a ball of yarn. Dunno how many shots on goal they had (one guy said he lost count at around 65) but they hung me out to dry. Of course, that was the one game everybody was watching, right? But I didn't give up or bang my stick or curse my teammates or anything--I just got up like nothing had happened, ready to go, a dozen times. The other team was a class act; afterward they all came over and told me I did a great job and made some impressive saves, which would have been ok if I woulda made about 12 more, but oh well...I didn't feel bad because I learned a lot (we all did!) and it made me a better player. Next time they won't get more than five. ;) Thanks for listening to me rattle, and when I get my roller goalie page up (soon!) I'll let y'all know. In the meantime I'm gonna read more of your bios (interesting! am enjoying immensely) and wait patiently by the mailbox for my Battram glove 'n' blocker... jeremy http://www.720.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: bio Date: 17 Apr 1997 14:01:25 -0700 Name: Steve Langevin DOB: 3/14/73 Place of birth: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada Currently living in Hayward, California I've been playing ice hockey since I was 8 years old, and I played 2 games as a forward (2 goals, 2 assists). Then, because we had lost our games 10-4 and 14-1, our coach wasn't happy with our goalie. (I know, shame on coach, since we were only 8) My friends on the team had always seen me play street hockey (which I started when I was 5 as a goalie against 12 year olds) so they goaded the coach into letting me play in net. We lost 4-3 and I've been between the pipes ever since. I play a butterfly style, although it's a mixture of a lot of different things. I've sort of patched together Felix Potvin, Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy and Dominik Hasek and rolled them into one. I'm not as good as them, but it works for me. I've attended the International Goaltenders School in Alberta. It's quite the experience to have the Boni machine firing pucks at you. I hope to attenda again soon. Most recently, I've been playing hockey in Fremont, CA in a rec league. Last season, after an 0-3 start with 10 goals against, my team went undefeated in the next 14 games I played (there was one game I had to miss, and they lost 6-3). My season stats were: 2.00 GAA, .916 save, 9-3-5 record, 3 shutouts in 17 games. Our team also had the lowest goals against in our league (40). We qualified as the 6th place team for the playoffs. The top 6 teams made it, with the top 2 getting first round byes. Well, I guess you could call it a cinderella story, but we wound up winning our championship, winning in the finals two games to one. It was one of the most fun seasons I've played in a long time. My stats for the playoffs: 1.80 GAA, .924 save, 5-1 record, no shutouts (although in all three final games only 1 goal against in each). For the summer season, I've moved up a level of play, and in our first exhibition game we won 8-1. It's gonna be an interesting summer. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Stories ... Date: 17 Apr 1997 17:22:47 -0400 At 03:13 PM 4/17/97 EST, you wrote: >Okay everybody, let's here your best, "No S**T there I was, it really >happend stories..." ... Come on, don't be shy... > >Jason Tryon #31 > > > Hahah... I could tell a few stories, like the time, myself, and a few people I know who were playing in the NHL or had played there, got togethor one night after a goalie school.... Nahh... those may not be good stories... hahaha Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Swartzell Subject: stories Date: 17 Apr 1997 15:40:39 MDT Good day, The no sh** stories don't need to be THOSE kinds of stories Scott...( although some of those are darn funny...) We need the 'And that's how I used the knob of my stick to stop Wayne on a breakaway, no sh**' not the 'I used my one call to call the pizza guy while my brother was trying to raise our bail money.....' I was playing pickup one Sunday morning wearing my 12+ year old Cooper SK600 when a guy wound up from the slot...**BANG** right off of the forhead, but I was hardly fazed, seems the puck's energy was all expended breaking the helmet into little pieces -- Scott Swartzell TIS-ASO 590-2152 "I beg to differ with you, I do not weigh a ton, fifty pounds is more like it." Griffin, age 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Goalies and Coaches Date: 17 Apr 1997 17:57:16, -0500 I was waiting for my son to finish un-gearing after a camp, he was the last as usual. Coach McDonald came down the hallway, looked at me with a questioning face, and when I complained about the goalie always being last, he said "They are just mental". I think that explains it all. bobbie goaliemom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Goalies and Coaches Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:34:40 -0400 m: BOBBIE STANFILL > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Re: Goalies and Coaches > Date: April 17, 1997 6:57 PM > > I was waiting for my son to finish un-gearing after a camp, he was the last > as usual. Coach McDonald came down the hallway, looked at me with a > questioning face, and when I complained about the goalie always being last, > he said "They are just mental". I think that explains it all. > > > bobbie goaliemom I know what you are talking about. I am almost always the last to get out of the room... but i have tied this to whether i lose or i win.. i have been on a couple of teams which lose rather badly, and i am usualy a bit drained after a game.. when i win, i tend to be a lot more upbeat after and i am outta there in no time! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn M. Broberg" Subject: No Sh** Story Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:01:39 Ok, You guys may have had a similiar experience as this one but everybody that I have ever told, even other goalies, have responded, "NO SH**!". I was eleven years old and it was my first year on a girls hockey team (I had played five years of boys hockey before that). We won the state championship and won an invitation to the girls and womens national tournament. It was pretty cool because we were all ten, eleven and twelve years old, and there was only ten of us, including me. Our first game we played a team from Assebet Valley, MA. There was 18 of them and they were all fifteen and sixteen (sixteen was the age limit for girls peewee). They had played together as a team for eleven years. We knew we probably didn't stand a chance but we were going to do our best and have fun. Well, first I'll tell you that we lost 20-0 BUT I faced 106 shots on net. I was one tired little girl. We did manage to get off one shot on their net. We needed a line change (or rather a partial line change), and so one of our players iced the puck to get the whisle, unfortunaly, it hit the net and we didn't get the whistle, but we did get a shot on net. That was my most rememberable game and my old teammates still talk about it. LYNN Lynn Broberg brob0019@maroon.tc.umn.edu APRIL 22, the saga continues...KISS...St. Paul Civic Center....I'll be in row 37, where will you be???? A journey begins with the first step. A quest begins with the first dream. SAVE NOWHERE MAN (To see what it's like on the set, visit http://www.aquila.com/sandra.jones/dop_ex.htm) |-| /-/ |-| /-/ /-/ | | / / | | / / / / | |/ / | | / / / / | / | | / / / / | / | | / /____ / /____ | \ | | /____ / /____ / | \ | | / / / / | |\ \ | | / / / / | | \ \ | | / / / / |_| \_\ |_| /_/ /_/ GO GOPHERS!! University of Minnesota Hockey Rules!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: No Sh** Story Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:11:56 -0400 At 06:01 PM 4/17/97, you wrote: >Ok, You guys may have had a similiar experience as this one but everybody >that I have ever told, even other goalies, have responded, "NO SH**!". I >was eleven years old and it was my first year on a girls hockey team (I >had played five years of boys hockey before that). We won the state >championship and won an invitation to the girls and womens national >tournament. It was pretty cool because we were all ten, eleven and twelve >years old, and there was only ten of us, including me. Our first game we >played a team from Assebet Valley, MA. There was 18 of them and they were >all fifteen and sixteen (sixteen was the age limit for girls peewee). They >had played together as a team for eleven years. We knew we probably didn't >stand a chance but we were going to do our best and have fun. Well, first >I'll tell you that we lost 20-0 BUT I faced 106 shots on net. I was one >tired little girl. We did manage to get off one shot on their net. We >needed a line change (or rather a partial line change), and so one of our >players iced the puck to get the whisle, unfortunaly, it hit the net and we >didn't get the whistle, but we did get a shot on net. That was my most >rememberable game and my old teammates still talk about it. >LYNN >Lynn Broberg >brob0019@maroon.tc.umn.edu > >APRIL 22, the saga continues...KISS...St. Paul Civic Center....I'll be in row 37, where will you be???? >A journey begins with the first step. > A quest begins with the first dream. >SAVE NOWHERE MAN (To see what it's like on the set, visit http://www.aquila.com/sandra.jones/dop_ex.htm) >|-| /-/ |-| /-/ /-/ >| | / / | | / / / / >| |/ / | | / / / / >| / | | / / / / >| / | | / /____ / /____ >| \ | | /____ / /____ / >| \ | | / / / / >| |\ \ | | / / / / >| | \ \ | | / / / / >|_| \_\ |_| /_/ /_/ >GO GOPHERS!! University of Minnesota Hockey Rules!!!! > > > > > Gee Guys... ever since the bio's started the girl goalies have been comming out of the woodwork here... they have been laying dormant and not posting, until a few more of their female counterparts spoke up to let them know they were here!!! Girls hockey in Canada is growing probably as fast as in-line or roller hockey is in the southern USA.... CooL! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: downtime in the change room Date: 17 Apr 1997 17:28:54 -0700 (PDT) > > I was waiting for my son to finish un-gearing after a camp, he was the > last > > as usual. Coach McDonald came down the hallway, looked at me with a > > questioning face, and when I complained about the goalie always being > last, > > he said "They are just mental". I think that explains it all. > > > > > > bobbie goaliemom > > I know what you are talking about. I am almost always the last to get out > of the room... but i have tied this to whether i lose or i win.. i have > been on a couple of teams which lose rather badly, and i am usualy a bit > drained after a game.. when i win, i tend to be a lot more upbeat after and > i am outta there in no time! > > Steve Hi Bobbie, Steve, and all, Steve has a good point. When your team gets smoked it's all you can do to get to the dressing room and flop, getting the gear off is like work. I change by myself so I don't have the added '2 hours to play, 1 hour to replay" that goes on in in the guys change room.;) Actually what bugs me more is not having enough time to get ready before a game. I need about half an hour otherwise I feel like the gear isn't on properly. Bobbie, you must be a cool mom to spend all that time waiting outside change rooms! Lisa > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schenkr@aol.com Subject: Re: Stories ... Date: 17 Apr 1997 20:50:57 -0400 (EDT) O.K Here's a story to top, Hockey story: Weirdest goal ever scored on me in history.......... My defenseman (tony) is on the right corner of my goal where i am also hugging the post looking at the opp. player with the puck behind my net. The player whips the puck at ground level hard from behind the net toward the slot. The puck disappears into a group of feet right at the corner of the net when i catch a flash of tumbling black landing about 1 foot from the top of the crease. I turned and squared perfectly to this thing. What i thought was the puck was actually a piece off the toe of tony's skate (he is a ref and shines the toes of his skates like combat boots. 1/4 inch of shine and polyurethane). By the time i realize that i did not follow the puck the other team is already raising their hands and all i could do was the slow turn of the head to find out exactly where the puck was. Now it gets wierd. What the puck had actually done was bounce off tony's skate straight into the air, and landed on my butt, where it promptly rolled off and into the net, barely. What's a goalie have to do. This happened last night and was the game tying goal. I really hate ties. Schenker #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: Stories ... Date: 17 Apr 1997 21:31:34 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-17 18:07:58 EDT, you write: << Hahah... I could tell a few stories, like the time, myself, and a few people I know who were playing in the NHL or had played there, got togethor one night after a goalie school.... Nahh... those may not be good stories... hahaha >> Hey Scott... Don't tease us..... If your going to start something finish it.... HA HA HA You tease.... GOALIEBABE.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Re: No Sh** Story Date: 17 Apr 1997 22:42:09 -0400 (EDT) I don't have a story to tell, but... > Girls hockey in Canada is growing probably as fast as in-line or roller > hockey is in the southern USA.... with that in mind, who do you guys think will be the medal winners of the women's hockey in 1998? I think Canada is a shoe-in, but beyond that, I'm not sure. USA as a bronze? Sweden as a silver? Just goes to show how little I know about women's hockey (sorry ladies). What do you think? Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: downtime in the change room Date: 17 Apr 1997 22:52:15, -0500 Ya'll missed part of what I said ...this was after a night at a CAMP, that was run by the Fire for several evenings. Up til now, all the games he's played have been in rollerrink, without dressing rooms. First ice game is Sunday. Mike also requires at least 30 min to dress, and 30-45 to undress & cool off. But yes, I have to wait around, he's too young to drive! bobbie, who's glad she has a pickup with a campershell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Pad paint Date: 17 Apr 1997 23:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Is there paint that you can use to refinish (I guess that is the right word) old scuffed and scratched up goalie pads? I have a line on a pair of great old Vaughn Legacy pads but they look like hell...I know looks don't REALLY matter but still.... PS Thanks for all the opinions on the helmet vs mask controversy i started...it's been interesting. Keep the opinions coming!! Standing in the spotlight, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j-ordonez@juno.com Subject: Bio Date: 18 Apr 1997 00:58:58 EDT Well, I guess the reason for the bio's is that you all decided to end some of our anonimity. And I agree that it's nice to put some sort of "personas" behind the screenames being that black+white text tends to dehuminize much of the conversations that occur on-line. So watch out, I'm jumping on the bandwagon.... (even though no-one will probably read it) John Ordonez Long Island City/Astoria, Queens, NY (outer borough of NYC) 25 (26 at end of month) no wife, no kids (that I know of at least -- that was a joke people). I've been playing goal since I was 8. When I was growing up, with the NY Islanders winning and the US olympic team victory, it seemed inevitable that hockey became as much a recreation as baseball in my area. Heck, even "GOAL" magazine one year named our neighborhood as one of the biggest hockey hotbeds in NY state. We've even had an NHL'er come out of our neighborhood (Dan Dorian -- formerly of the NJ Devils). I played hockey for many years, but had to stop in JHS because we just could'nt afford new equipment. As a senior in HS, I got a good job and bought crappy - but useable - equipment. I then went to play for a small college here in NY. Due to injury, decreased playing time and evermore decreasing lack of funds, I had to transfer to Queens College where I wound up playing lacrosse. During my senior year (93), we ranked 6th in the national Division II (2) standings!! I am still very proud of having been a part of that accomplishment (albeit not a grand one and not hockey related). I then went to Hofstra Law School where I graduted in 1996. I'm awaiting my bar results (early May), and GOD willing, I'll hopefully be admitted to practice soon thereafter. I still play often here in NYC and am proud to be the first in NYC to wear BATTRAM (tm) goal pads. I'm also proud of being one of the few Hispanic hockey players out there. I used to get a lot of ribbing when I was in College for that. But I follow the old saying "that which does not kill you only makes you stronger". I may be volunteering to coach in a local summer hockey camp (depending on my work schedule); sort of a way to teach other "city kids" about the game that has meant and given so much to me. When I happen to pass by local playgrounds and still see kids playing hockey, I often catch myself saying a little prayer, wishing that one of those kids get a little farther than I or most of my friends did. Hopefully, a few will. John Ordonez _____________________ "Now what kind of Mickey Mouse organization would name their team 'The Ducks' ???" ***Quote from Buggs Bunny to Daffy Duck - SPACEJAM the movie*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Painted leg pads Date: 18 Apr 1997 01:10:18, -0500 Jeff, part of an email I received in response to a question I asked a female goalie about how she paints the dragon on her pads: --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- From: "Gretchen Helms" I used a product I found at an art store called a "paint pen". Works like a pen, only it's got some type of paint in it. I think they're also marketing as "paint markers". The paint needs to be reapplied every six months or so, as it will wear and flake off with use. Other than that, it's really easy to use! I drew the original image on a big sheet of paper, then used the line drawing as a paperpunch to "punch" the outline onto the leather so I could connect the holes and draw the dragon. _____________________________________________ Which means I supposed you could take a paint pen & cover-up all the puck marks on your new/old pads. I've also used "white-out" on small scratches on the white portion on the kids Vaughns, where a concrete rollerfloor has damaged them. Again, it has to be redone. bobbie goaliemom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: goalies are mental Date: 18 Apr 1997 02:21:42 -0400 (EDT) First of all, I am finding that a lot of this goalie thing is mental...mental preparation, confidence, playing angles, anticipating, reacting, etc. As far as being "removed" or "separate" from the rest of the team, think about it...goalies ARE different, like it or not! We wear different equipment, play by different rules, have different responsibilities, etc etc...when the other guys are talking between periods in the locker room, little of what they are discussing applies to me, it is kind of wierd, almost like I am playing a totally different game than they are?!? I don't mind it, it's kind of cool, actually. Dancing to a different beat, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: downtime in the change room Date: 18 Apr 1997 00:36:44 -0700 >Steve has a good point. When your team gets smoked it's all you can do to >get to the dressing room and flop, getting the gear off is like work. I >change by myself so I don't have the added '2 hours to play, 1 hour to >replay" that goes on in in the guys change room.;) Actually what bugs me >more is not having enough time to get ready before a game. I need about >half an hour otherwise I feel like the gear isn't on properly. Bobbie, you >must be a cool mom to spend all that time waiting outside change rooms! For me, personally, I find that the opposite is true. If the team gets smoked, and nobody seems to care much about it, I get seriously pissed off, and I quickly change and storm out without saying a word, but if we win, I'll chat it up and be the last one out of there. *shrug* As for getting ready before a game, I like to take my time, but I can be ready in under 10 minutes if need be...love those clips instead of buckles on my pads! Best thing since they increased the size of our crease!! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: pad paint Date: 18 Apr 1997 07:19:44 -0400 Hello, Any shoemaker carries leather dye which comes in many colors, this product will last longer than paint. You need to clean the area with a good leather cleaner and then re-dye the pad. I also pick up a leather cream which will soften up new pads which helps in the break in period. goaliedad gjohnson@portup.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Pad paint Date: 18 Apr 1997 08:31:52 -0400 At 11:52 PM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >Is there paint that you can use to refinish (I guess that is the right word) >old scuffed and scratched up goalie pads? I have a line on a pair of great >old Vaughn Legacy pads but they look like hell...I know looks don't REALLY >matter but still.... > >PS Thanks for all the opinions on the helmet vs mask controversy i >started...it's been interesting. Keep the opinions coming!! > >Standing in the spotlight, >Jeff #29 > > > All of todays new pads (since around 1985 or so) have been manufactured with a synthetic material (at that time up untill 1996 the were made of SOFRINA (a CLARINO PRODUCT) now that SOFRINA isnt available there are 3 choices, JENRINO, MATRIX or a new material called PROTEC) all of these products are synthetic... therefor generally 100% Nylon base cloth, and 100% Polyurathane top coating. Thus, because they are a synthetic, it is very hard to apply something that will stick, so far the only thing that works well are screen printing inks such as Plastizol Inks for use on Vinyl... we will be switching to this INK in a week as we had been using a HEAT TRANSFER for the BATTRAM name, but they are wearing off too fast, so we will switch back to screen printing... Leather Dies, and condintioners may work on some pads where the top coating hs worn off the pad... however, applying leather conditioner to new goal pads wont do a thing, as it wont be absorbed into the material, unlike leather. Also, the new materials are very soft to begin with... so there isnt a need for softening... Its the stuff inside that makes the new equipment firm... A silicone spray works the best on modern pads, as it is a synthetic, so you can use a synthetic product on a synthetic... but not a synthetic on a natural or vice versa. The silicone spray will give some extra water resistance to the equipment... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: No S**t Story Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:00:10 EST Since I started this thread, I'll go ahead an toss in my story. BTW This story isn't really funny, though from my point of view I can't help but chuckle. This one is also my kids', "Why my dad's a hockey god" story... One night, there I am in net working on a shutout late in the first period. The other team's top goal scorer has never gone a game without scoring in his life. With about 5 minutes to play in the first, he breaks out from behind his own net. After three steps, I realized it was going to be him and me. As he comes screaming into the slot he winds up for a slapper. At the instant his stick hit the puck I realized with horror exactly where I was standing. My skates were on the goal line. Well, the puck slams into my forehad, splitting my mask in half, and snapping my head back into the crossbar. My coach said I stood up straight, and fell like a tree and rolled over onto my back. I should note that I don't remember that part, and that the puck did not go into the net. When my coach got to me, I woke up, and sat up on the ice. Immediately the blood pouring from the cut in my forehead runs into my eyes. I couldn't hear anything. The coach manages to get me off the ice and into the dressing room. The league doctor is there to check me out. He puts 27 stitches into my forehead, but announces that I don't have a concussion. By this time the team has come in from the first period. We are winning 2-0. While the coach is talking to the rest of the team, I dig around in my bag for my backup helmet. As we're getting ready to go back out, I put my helmet on and announce that I'm ready to go back in. My coach looks at me like I've got snakes sitting on my shoulders and says, "No Way!". "But coach, I've got to finish this game...", in my most whiney voice. He lets me go back in. The game continues. With 15 seconds to play we are winning 4-0. Same guy, breaks out from behind his net, same play. The same shot from the high slot. Just as the horn sounds, the puck slaps into my trapper. I look at the guy, smile and say, "Not today buddy..." Whereupon he breaks his stick on the ice, and stomps off. Hope you enjoyed it... Jason Tryon #31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Goalies scoring goals... Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:01:12 EST Have any of you ever scored a goal ??? Jason Tryon #31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Goalies scoring goals... Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:08:34 -0400 At 09:01 AM 4/18/97 EST, you wrote: >Have any of you ever scored a goal ??? Martin Brodeur scored a goal last night against the Canadians. Montreal had pulled their goalie late. Brodeur picked the puck up behind his net, skated around to the right (facing the net from center ice) and fired the puck the length of the rink. It got up about 6 feet in the air and bounced into the net about dead center. For the Night: G A Pts Brodeur 1 0 1 Gretzkey 0 0 0 Messier 0 0 0 ESPN2 was eating this up last night. A goalie outscored two of the greatest playoff scorers of all time. Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: World Championships Date: 18 Apr 1997 17:32:01 +0200 Hi, just wondering if there is anybody in the states that takes note of the (Men's) World Champioships'97 (starts something like the 24th of April)? I understand that as some people can watch the playoffs (I would be able to if a certain channel and kabe distributer could get along but they just keep blaiming each other and not making any deals!) and as it is not really the best players in the world (they are off chasing a certain Cup) the championships may seem small (?) but does anybody care? Personally I follow the championships whether I can follow the playoffs or not and I think it is fun rooting Team USA on and this year I hope for another medal for Team USA (bronze last year if you didn't know). I ask as there seems to be no info about the champioships at all on the web (Team USA has a page but they seem to have just started it). Thanks for noticing. Adam #35 P.S. ALthough Canada are the favorite in the Woman's Champioships (in ´98) I think USA are a close second, Canada won the last final by a goal or two. P.P.S. Let's go Rangers! The series has just begun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: focus Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:53:41 -0600 (MDT) To all, I'm going out of town next week, and since I'm starting to see things straying off topic, I thought I would remind everyone that this list is about goaltending. I know we are all interested in hockey in general, but there are mailing lists and USENET groups devoted to hockey in general, and since the traffic is getting high now, let's try to stay on topic. BTW, I think the bios are fine, since they are a one-shot deal. But I don't think we should be discussing general hockey issues. Actually, I don't have to think...I run the list. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: focus Date: 18 Apr 1997 10:08:43 -0600 (MDT) > > I'm going out of town next week, and since I'm starting to see things > straying off topic, I thought I would remind everyone that this list is > about goaltending. I know we are all interested in hockey in general, > but there are mailing lists and USENET groups devoted to hockey in > general, and since the traffic is getting high now, let's try to stay > on topic. > > BTW, I think the bios are fine, since they are a one-shot deal. But I > don't think we should be discussing general hockey issues. Actually, > I don't have to think...I run the list. Having read what I wrote, I think it sounds heavy-handed and I did not intend it to be so. Part of my job as moderator/owner/whatever is to keep people on topic. I'm sure most of you are subscribed to many mailing lists (I can't be the only one!), and therefore I'm sure you appreciate it when the lists are on-topic and you don't have to wade through extraneous info. Since we have a bunch of new members (which is great), I figure it's not a bad idea to point this out now and again. Enjoy! Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: measuring leg pads Date: 18 Apr 1997 12:01:25, -0500 Recently, someone asked how to measure for leg pads. I don't recall seeing a response, & I just found my Brown catalog with the instructions. Measure in stocking feet, standing up, from floor to centre of knee cap. Measure from centre of knee to midpoint of upper thigh. Add the two measurements, and add 5" to get length of pad. For Juniors, add 4" instead. Based on this, my son measured out at 18.25 + 10.25 + 5 for 33.5" pads, or 34" as I expect him to grow a little bit more. (he's already slightly over 6foot.) bobbie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Mental Date: 18 Apr 1997 18:40:59 +0200 Sorry about the straing, getting bakc to the topic I was wondering if anybody has any focusing tricks, in otyher words what do you guys think when you are in the net and your team is on offense (or when you are preparing to face shots) and what do you think about before game? Personally I have read some books and now try to think about what I can controll (my stance etc.) but some times I feel that my mind can stray when a game isn't going to good and an occasional soft goal (sigh) can happen. Thanks! Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: Mental Date: 18 Apr 1997 10:52:44 -0600 (MDT) Reply to Adam Troy: > > Sorry about the straing, getting bakc to the topic I was wondering if > anybody has any focusing tricks, in otyher words what do you guys think > when you are in the net and your team is on offense (or when you are > preparing to face shots) and what do you think about before game? > Personally I have read some books and now try to think about what I can > controll (my stance etc.) but some times I feel that my mind can stray when > a game isn't going to good and an occasional soft goal (sigh) can happen. I suspect that what works for one person may not work for the next, but I will tell you what I do. I'm one of those people who let my problems intrude when I am trying to focus, so I needed to find a solution. What does not work is to try to "shut out the bad thoughts" so instead, before the game, while I'm stretching and suiting up, I think about all the worries that I know might potentially plague me while on the ice (relationships, money, my dog waiting in the car, etc.) and I obsess over them a little, but I basically make myself a deal, that I stole from Norman Mailer: I tell myself that I can file these troubles away while I'm on the ice, and I have no doubt they will be there waiting for me when I get off the ice (for those who don't know the Norman Mailer reference, he said he put up a little mailbox outside his bedroom so that he could put his troubles in it before going to sleep, secure in the notion that they would be there waiting upon his awakening). Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: focus Date: 18 Apr 1997 15:19:43 +0000 Some folks are very active in their efforts to focus on a game, and others tend to just "follow the puck" more naturally. I'm still very much a beginner, but I find I do best when I simply concentrate on "the puck". Where's the puck, where's it going. Also, *work* for the next save. Don't be passive about it. Goaltending is NOT passive. Concentrate on the next save. If one goes in - take a brief look at why, file it away, and move on. One of the videos I have says that you should enter the rink and know it's just you and the puck. There's no fans, no distractions. You're whole existence is tied up in that little 3" piece of rubber. I don't know if I'd go that far, but the idea is the same. There are a few things that you can do to help your concentration. I would define them as relaxation and visualization. Relaxation covers the ideas of being settled within - without distraction or worry. A relaxed person is better able to "go with the flow" and devote energy where it is needed. Visualization helps with confidence and can, in many cases, bring about some sense of being relaxed and able to cope. Concentrate on your breathing for a few moments, trying to find a calm spot in your head. Then go over what you want to accomplish in your head. Before a game, I would reccommend executing near perfect saves - saves that look so easy the fans would get board. Then execute some spectacular saves - all in your head - and get yourself psyched up for a strong performance. Between games, routinely visualize good saves. Work on the things you have trouble with. See yourself successfully executing a particular save and anylize how it works, how it feels. This is by no means a substitute for physical practice, but you'd be suprised at the results. If goaltending really is 90% mental - then these techniques should work. Perhaps I should practice what I preach... -- Kevin C. Scott Coca-Cola Space Science Center 701 Front Avenue Columbus, GA 31901 (706) 649-1471 http://www.ccssc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Mashhadian Subject: Re: Mental Date: 18 Apr 1997 12:49:18 -0700 >Sorry about the straing, getting bakc to the topic I was wondering if >anybody has any focusing tricks, in otyher words what do you guys think >when you are in the net and your team is on offense (or when you are >preparing to face shots) and what do you think about before game? >Personally I have read some books and now try to think about what I can >controll (my stance etc.) but some times I feel that my mind can stray when >a game isn't going to good and an occasional soft goal (sigh) can happen. > Thanks! > Adam #35 As for before the game... I don't really think too much about it- focusing and all. But for in the game, well, I um.. er, sing. Not too loud mind you. Most of the time I just have the same song in my head. But in really pressure situations, or if on of those situations just ended, I might utter a few words to a song that I have stuck in my head. It bascially keeps me relaxed and able to focuse more on the puck and where in relation to the net I standing. Tal Hey! Check out the web page for my lighting store! **or** Do you believe in Macintosh? Please check out: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew_maholski@reyrey.com (ANDREW D MAHOLSKI) Subject: Goalie Skates Date: 18 Apr 1997 16:23:53 -0400 Thanks to some of the comments from you nice folks on the list, I took my Micron goalie skates back. They hurt my feet too. I traded them on a pair of cooper pants. I would like to get some opinions on REASONABLY priced goalie skates that would be good for recreational use. Let me know good bad and ugly about the skates you use or would recommend. Thanks Andrew M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Bio's -R- us!! Date: 18 Apr 1997 22:29:02 +0100 Hi All, Why should I be any differant from the rest of you??!! Name:Alan MacLean Team:South Wirral (Field Hockey) Height:5ft6 Weight160 1bs Last Season:4.03 Gaav, with 2 shut-outs and a shocking 3-22-3 record!! Being the ONLY field hockey goalie on the list you might think I'm a bit less fit or knowedgable of NHL and RHI hockey etc? WRONG!!!! I've been watching NHL for around 8 years now and I consider myself to be a goalie expert, i.e. If you want to ask me questions on ANY NHL goalie from the 1990/91 season to this season i bet I can answer it for you. I've always been a keen ice hockey fan, but the facilities over here in Britain are not the same and there's a lack of money in the sport...so I settled for field hockey but still wish I had played ice hockey or even street hockey. I've just obtained my new VacPac design mask from Pro-Masque, which cost me $500 and worth every cent!! I used to own the classic COOPER SK 2000 mask, the same as Terreri and Osgood wear now, but now I own a fantastic design which is EXACTLY the same as Dwayne Roloson. I went for Pro-Masque over ITECH and CUBBERLY because of this new air-bag system they have, it consists of small air-bags around the temples and cheek bones and chin areas...you know, places where it can really do some damage if the puck/ball hit you hard enough!! My style of play in hockey is very similar to that of Hextall and Belfour in that I'm EXTREMELY aggressive and hate it when attackers try and give me a shove in my area (called the "D" in field hockey), a lot of the opposition players seem to think because I'm small that I'll shy away from any rough stuff...BAD MISTAKE!! I'm usually the guy starting it!! Don't get me wrong, I don't deliberately go out on the astro-turf/grass and try to stick someone in the ribs or anything, I'm the first person who wants to see a good clean game...but I'm all for getting pysichal should things happen!! My idol has always been Chris Terreri and I've always been a Sharks fan ever since they got their expansion, so I was very pleased when Terreri was traded to San Jose a couple of seasons ago despite him not being able to repeat his glory days in New Jersey, I was disappointed to see him traded to Chicago this season, but at least he'll be able to build his confidence back up again and see more play-off action. Well I've bored you all enough now, so I'll say c-ya and look forward to more posts on the mailing list. C-Ya...Alan p.s. Way to go Brodeur, only the 2nd ever goalie to score a play-off goal. ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Brodeur's goal Date: 18 Apr 1997 16:16:30 PDT (Fri) I have a question about goalies scoring goals. First of all, I might note that I was the only goaltender in our league to have 2 goals on the final stat sheet. In reality, I only scored 1, and it was in a game that I switched equipment with one of our forwards. I'll never do that again. I got my goal, I'm done. So to review the history in reverse of NHL goalies scoring goals (note this is from memory, so it's largely just guesses; maybe someone can correct this): 96-97 playoffs: Brodeur 95-96 regular season: Osgood 95-96 regular season: Terreri near-miss ??-?? regular season Hextall 88-89 playoffs: Hextall (ancient history) ??? When Hextall scored his first, it took them quite awhile to find the guy who had done it previously, and I remember some argument about whether the goal was really as advertised. Does anyone know the full story on the goal before Hextall's first? But to get to my actual question. So NHL ice hockey was played for 72 years with only one goaltender ever scoring. Then, in the last 8 years, we get 4. Why? Possible reasons: 1) Since Hextall, goalies realize it can be done so they try more 2) Generally better stick-handling abilities of modern goal tenders 3) Generally better strength of modern goal tenders 4) Curved goal sticks I also seem to remember that old-time goalies would handle the puck backwards from modern (except Joseph) goalies do. I.e. reverse the stick and use the catch glove on the top of the stick rather than the blocker. Has anyone on the list ever scored a goal as a goaltender, or seen it happen legally in an amateur game? My current goal is to record a shot on goal. I haven't come close yet. - Chuck Collins cpc@chkpt.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 18 Apr 1997 19:36:38 -0400 >But to get to my actual question. So NHL ice hockey was played for 72 years >with only one goaltender ever scoring. Then, in the last 8 years, we get 4. >Why? > >Possible reasons: > > 1) Since Hextall, goalies realize it can be done so they try more > 2) Generally better stick-handling abilities of modern goal tenders > 3) Generally better strength of modern goal tenders > 4) Curved goal sticks > The Answer is simple, goalies are now much more a part of the offensive game as well as defensive.... Years ago, goalies would rarely touch the puck other than to stop it, and it was unheard of up until the last 15 years for goalies to make up the ice passes to their teamates! The goalie is playing the puck alot more now than ever before... years ago goalies would rarely leave the crease... now they are all over the place.. >I also seem to remember that old-time goalies would handle the puck backwards >from modern (except Joseph) goalies do. I.e. reverse the stick and use the >catch glove on the top of the stick rather than the blocker. > Actually, this isnt backwards, its their natural way of shooting... flipping the stick to the natural way of shooting... However, many goalies have learned to switch and shoot opposite to their natural way.... in order to save time and to keep from flipping around their stick... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: focus Date: 19 Apr 1997 00:03:50 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-19 00:01:58 EDT, you write: << < Some folks are very active in their efforts to focus on a game, and others tend to just "follow the puck" more naturally. I'm still very much a beginner, but I find I do best when I simply concentrate on "the puck". Where's the puck, where's it going. >> This works best for me too. I actually keep muttering "I want the puck, I want the puck, I want the puck" to myself as it starts to head down into my end. I get my mindset that I actually WANT the other team to shoot the puck at me... I also go over the basics in my head, stick down (this is a big one for me), legs together, come out and challenge the shooter...stuff like that. I am sure some of you veteran goalies may not need to continuously remind yourselves that you are out there to stop the puck, but it sure helps me. The mental angle is my favorite part about the position, well, that and all the cool stuff you get to wear!! Hee hee hee... Sweaty but well dressed, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Battram pads Date: 19 Apr 1997 00:15:11 -0400 (EDT) It seems a lotta youse guys/ gals have Battram stuff, and of course Scott B. hisself is a frequent poster in here so I put this question(s) out to you all...Whatta ya think of the Battram stuff? I have spent plenty of time at the Battram web site and really like the company a lot, but here's the catch: my budget puts my leg pad purchase price range at the BPGP500 model...entry level which is fine with me . What I wanna know is what is the quality of the lower priced Battram pads like, and what are the companies polices regarding returns, exchanges, sizing problems, etc etc.... Everyone I talk to sez NEVER buy goalie pads via mail order, you HAVE to try them on first, etc etc. Does anybody have any input or experiences buying goalie gear via mail order (from any company, including Battram)? Or opinions about the Battram stuff?? Ignorant yet quizzical, Jeff#29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Goalie Skates Date: 19 Apr 1997 01:41:47 -0400 ---------- > From: ANDREW D MAHOLSKI > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Goalie Skates > Date: April 18, 1997 4:23 PM > > Thanks to some of the comments from you nice folks on the list, I took > my Micron goalie skates back. They hurt my feet too. I traded them > on a pair of cooper pants. I would like to get some opinions on > REASONABLY priced goalie skates that would be good for recreational > use. Let me know good bad and ugly about the skates you use or would > recommend. > > Thanks > Andrew M. I think it all really depends on what fits your feet best and you feel comfortable in. I've seen some of the shops these days having some sort of nifty little surfaces where you can actually try out your skates. It looks like some sort of synthetic material, but i've never gone on it. anyway, it should help you to get a feel for a few different skates if you can find a store like that. I own a pair of Bauer 4000's.. and i love em.. i started out with an old pair of langes, and when i switched to these, the difference was enormous. i just love the edges on these things.. good protection too.. the only knock i would have against them is that they made the design so that you have to take out the entire plastic shell when you replace the blade apparently.. but if you play rec then they should last you 7 years before you need to do any of that. They were $300.. but they are worth the money. CCM has a "pump" skate, but i'm not sure if it's off the market now with nike's ownership. As far as decent lower end priced stuff, I think Bauer makes two cheaper models, called the Matrix and the Impact. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: skate shell colours? Date: 19 Apr 1997 01:46:13 -0400 With the last message on skating, I realized there was a lingering curiosity inside me regarding skate colours. When I was growing up, I never played hockey. I always wondered why goalie skates had white shells. Is it to help see the puck better when the puck is in your skates? If that was the reasoning, it surprised me when i got the skates I've worn - both have been black shelled. I guess as a kid, I found it kinda intriguing that goalies were also unique in the colour of their skates addition to other aspects. In a silly sort of way, I was a bit disappionted that the shells on my bauer 4000's are black. I'll live.. but what exactly is the story behind the shell colour of goalie skates? I figure if Bauer is making their top end skate with a black shell - it can't be that important. Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Michael Barbato Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 19 Apr 1997 03:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Wasn't Billy Smith the first to score a goal? On 18 Apr 1997, Chuck Collins wrote: > I have a question about goalies scoring goals. > > First of all, I might note that I was the only goaltender in our league > to have 2 goals on the final stat sheet. In reality, I only scored 1, > and it was in a game that I switched equipment with one of our forwards. > I'll never do that again. I got my goal, I'm done. > > So to review the history in reverse of NHL goalies scoring goals > (note this is from memory, so it's largely just guesses; maybe someone > can correct this): > > 96-97 playoffs: Brodeur > 95-96 regular season: Osgood > 95-96 regular season: Terreri near-miss > ??-?? regular season Hextall > 88-89 playoffs: Hextall > (ancient history) ??? > > When Hextall scored his first, it took them quite awhile to find the guy > who had done it previously, and I remember some argument about whether the > goal was really as advertised. Does anyone know the full story on the > goal before Hextall's first? > > But to get to my actual question. So NHL ice hockey was played for 72 years > with only one goaltender ever scoring. Then, in the last 8 years, we get 4. > Why? > > Possible reasons: > > 1) Since Hextall, goalies realize it can be done so they try more > 2) Generally better stick-handling abilities of modern goal tenders > 3) Generally better strength of modern goal tenders > 4) Curved goal sticks > > I also seem to remember that old-time goalies would handle the puck backwards > from modern (except Joseph) goalies do. I.e. reverse the stick and use the > catch glove on the top of the stick rather than the blocker. > > Has anyone on the list ever scored a goal as a goaltender, or seen it happen > legally in an amateur game? My current goal is to record a shot on goal. > I haven't come close yet. > > - Chuck Collins > cpc@chkpt.COM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: skate shell colours? Date: 19 Apr 1997 07:58:45 -0400 At 01:46 AM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >With the last message on skating, I realized there was a lingering >curiosity inside me regarding skate colours. When I was growing up, I >never played hockey. I always wondered why goalie skates had white shells. > Is it to help see the puck better when the puck is in your skates? If >that was the reasoning, it surprised me when i got the skates I've worn - >both have been black shelled. I guess as a kid, I found it kinda >intriguing that goalies were also unique in the colour of their skates >addition to other aspects. In a silly sort of way, I was a bit >disappionted that the shells on my bauer 4000's are black. I'll live.. but >what exactly is the story behind the shell colour of goalie skates? I >figure if Bauer is making their top end skate with a black shell - it can't >be that important. Its just trends... before they were white, they were black.... I think it may have something to do with puck marks on the white making the skates look old and beat up before their time... I remember a pair of Microns I had when I was a kid, and they were grey.... Also... The white shell on the old leather pads would stain a yellow colour from the leather.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Goalie Skates Date: 19 Apr 1997 07:59:55 -0400 At 01:41 AM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >---------- >> From: ANDREW D MAHOLSKI >> To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com >> Subject: Goalie Skates >> Date: April 18, 1997 4:23 PM >> >> Thanks to some of the comments from you nice folks on the list, I >took >> my Micron goalie skates back. They hurt my feet too. I traded them > >> on a pair of cooper pants. I would like to get some opinions on >> REASONABLY priced goalie skates that would be good for recreational >> use. Let me know good bad and ugly about the skates you use or >would >> recommend. >> >> Thanks >> Andrew M. > >I think it all really depends on what fits your feet best and you feel >comfortable in. I've seen some of the shops these days having some sort of >nifty little surfaces where you can actually try out your skates. It looks >like some sort of synthetic material, but i've never gone on it. anyway, >it should help you to get a feel for a few different skates if you can find >a store like that. I own a pair of Bauer 4000's.. and i love em.. i >started out with an old pair of langes, and when i switched to these, the >difference was enormous. i just love the edges on these things.. good >protection too.. the only knock i would have against them is that they made >the design so that you have to take out the entire plastic shell when you >replace the blade apparently.. but if you play rec then they should last >you 7 years before you need to do any of that. They were $300.. but they >are worth the money. CCM has a "pump" skate, but i'm not sure if it's off >the market now with nike's ownership. As far as decent lower end priced >stuff, I think Bauer makes two cheaper models, called the Matrix and the >Impact. > >Steve > > > Actually, the pump skate by CCM is still out there... and Nike and CCM have no relationship, its the REEBOK pump in the CCM skate... I have always prefered the Bauer Skates... the new Nike skate looks to be very nice... they are using a fine sand inside the skate to create a custom mold to your foot... I dont know if it will be offered in a a goal skate or not, so far only in the regular skate... but they also have a pricetag of around $600.00 Canadian... so they are not too cheap...but then again thats Nike for ya, make the big bucks for as cheap as possible... There is a new company producing skates called Flite, and they dont look to be too bad... but I am not sure if there is goal skate in this line either... Bauer and CCM offer the best protection in goal Skates... Reidell is comfortable on the foot but I wouldnt trust the protection value... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Battram pads Date: 19 Apr 1997 08:08:41 -0400 Everyone I talk to sez NEVER >buy goalie pads via mail order, you HAVE to try them on first, etc etc. Does >anybody have any input or experiences buying goalie gear via mail order (from >any company, including Battram)? Or opinions about the Battram stuff?? > >Ignorant yet quizzical, > >Jeff#29 > > Actually, I would agree with this to a certain point... I would'nt buy mail order goal equipment from "Joes Sport Shop and Hardware Store" (Ficticious Name) who stocks 2 sets of goal pads a year..... but places like Source for Sports, Mostly Hockey etc... those guys are fine, they have credable sales people, and know goal equipment, there return policies are fine... and you wont go wrong, providing you give them the correct information they require for sizing you. We unlike them, are manufacturer's selling direct to the customer, not only will you save money, you will get a truly custom job done... for example, Monday we will be making a set of 27" Junior pads, and the customer wanted the KOHO Cats Paw Design (Felix Potvin Pads) on the pads... we can do this without a problem, may take a little more time... but it will be worth it. Plus, with us building the pad, there isnt an excuse for error... and if we do err, we will replace the product... so far we have only had one set of pads that were incorrect in size, and they will be replaced, it was only out about 1" on size... everyones body is different so there is bound to be an error in size at some point... especially when you are mailing out lots of gear like we are doing now.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 19 Apr 1997 10:46:26 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Keith Michael Barbato wrote: > Wasn't Billy Smith the first to score a goal? Well, he was the first goalie credited with a goal. Someone on the other team put it in the net. The story I hear is that Smith actually pressured his own teammate to say that the teammate had not touched it, therefore giving Smith credit for the goal. Whether or not it was true, I'm not sure, but it wouldn't be a big stretch of the imagine. Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Olsen Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 19 Apr 1997 05:58:19 -0600 Billy Smith was the first goalie to score a goal... The way it differs from the Hextall goal years later is that Billy didn't actually shoot the puck in to the opposite net, Billy was the last Islander to touch the puck before one of the opposing team accidentally sent the puck into his own empty net. EGO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Goalie Skates Date: 19 Apr 1997 13:21:07 -0400 > Actually, the pump skate by CCM is still out there... and Nike and CCM have > no relationship, its the REEBOK pump in the CCM skate... I have always > prefered the Bauer Skates... the new Nike skate looks to be very nice... > they are using a fine sand inside the skate to create a custom mold to your > foot... I dont know if it will be offered in a a goal skate or not, so far > only in the regular skate... but they also have a pricetag of around > $600.00 Canadian... so they are not too cheap...but then again thats Nike > for ya, make the big bucks for as cheap as possible... > > There is a new company producing skates called Flite, and they dont look to > be too bad... but I am not sure if there is goal skate in this line either... > > Bauer and CCM offer the best protection in goal Skates... Reidell is > comfortable on the foot but I wouldnt trust the protection value... > > Scott Battram What exactly is the ownwership situation out there for skate equipment? I thought that Bauer and CCM were owned by some company called Karhu or Canstar, which was bought out by Nike. From what I was told, they were going to no longer produce the CCM Tacks, and just stick with the Bauer and Nike names. That was why I thought Bauer and CCM had the same ownership? What is the real deal? does anyone know? Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Goalie Skates Date: 19 Apr 1997 16:02:08 -0400 >What exactly is the ownwership situation out there for skate equipment? I >thought that Bauer and CCM were owned by some company called Karhu or >Canstar, which was bought out by Nike. From what I was told, they were >going to no longer produce the CCM Tacks, and just stick with the Bauer and >Nike names. That was why I thought Bauer and CCM had the same ownership? >What is the real deal? does anyone know? > >Steve > The Skate situation is like this... Nike Bought out Canstar a year or so ago... Canstar was a large group with names such as: COOPER BAUER FLAK MICRON MEGA And a few others I cant think of without an old catalog in front of me.. (Heard on the radio the other day that Nike just closed the BAUER skate factory in Cambridge Ontario putting 400 or so out of work (lets hear it for NIKE!!! and keep buying their products... its important to keep Vietnamese people working for 2 or 3 bucks a day or less...) Enough with my frustration with Nike and its symbolism... CCM to my knowledge is still independent... It stands for Canadian Cycle and Motor(I think that's what the M is for... I get this one mixed up too..) They used to make bicycles... Karahu is a company that now owns: KOHO, HEATON and just recently required LEVEVRE or Lefebre... I also spoke with someone who know Michael Lefebre, and he has no idea what's up with the difference in spellings... but he is going to find out for me... so next time I speak with Ralphie, I will let you know... In hockey gear, the Swoosh is supposed to be on all Visible equipment such as helmets, gloves and skates... and Bauer is going to be on all the protective gear that isn't Visible.. along with goalie equipment... supposedly by next year the switch will be complete... However, i have heard that some high profile players still want to have the BAUER name stay in place on their gear, and I don't blame them for this either, and applaud them for sticking to their morals... > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Re: skate shell colours? Date: 19 Apr 1997 17:30:34 -0500 (CDT) In a previous message, Scott Battram wrote: > > Its just trends... before they were white, they were black.... > > I think it may have something to do with puck marks on the white making the > skates look old and beat up before their time... > > I remember a pair of Microns I had when I was a kid, and they were grey.... > > Also... The white shell on the old leather pads would stain a yellow colour > from the leather.... > Maybe it's a brand thing. It seems to me that: CCM = white Bauer = black Riddel = gray Since you can't really see a logo on the skates since they're covered by the pads, maybe they've went with different color shells to show who's wearing what skates. -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Nike Goalie gear? Date: 19 Apr 1997 18:37:57 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-19 16:05:52 EDT, you write: << However, i have heard that some high profile players still want to have the BAUER name stay in place on their gear, and I don't blame them for this either, and applaud them for sticking to their morals... >> I agree...I sure don't want that basketball shoe logo on my Bauer goalie pads or gloves! Do they intend to put the swoosh logo on all goalie gear? UGH! This whole Nike in the NHL thing is not so great if you ask me, hockey is a traditional game. Call me an old fuddy duddy if you like. Sorry if this is off the goalie topic... Old time hockey, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: goalie boots Date: 19 Apr 1997 15:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, The material on the boot itself looks different now. My skates, which I've had for several years, look like real leather and very solid. The new stuff looks like nylon and not as solid (probably lighter but I wonder about the support). My Bauers provide great support. What are the new boots made of? Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: goalie boots Date: 19 Apr 1997 19:29:20 -0400 At 03:42 PM 4/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >The material on the boot itself looks different now. My skates, which I've >had for several years, look like real leather and very solid. The new >stuff looks like nylon and not as solid (probably lighter but I wonder >about the support). My Bauers provide great support. What are the new >boots made of? > >Lisa > > > > Hey Lisa... The material is a ballistic nylon... I forget the exact number for the Denier. But it is very sold, and is alot better than the Kevlar that is advertised on some goal equipment. This material is very solid, the benefit to this material is that it does not break down as easilly as the leather does... they still use a 7 or 8 oz. Leather in the areas where the eyelits are on the skate.. but the boot is no longer a full leather boot. The internal Yellowish material on the Bauers is a BS-2100 Clarino (synthetic leather) this is used on the top end skates and is an excellent material. The skates have improved alot in the last few years... the only problem with the Bauers is the part on the back above your Achilles Tendon, tends to come unstitched... as its just a foam sewn into the leather... here I am, with all the equipment to fix it... and my still remains unsewn!! hahah Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Nike Goalie gear? Date: 19 Apr 1997 19:34:11 -0400 At 06:37 PM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-19 16:05:52 EDT, you write: > ><< However, i have > heard that some high profile players still want to have the BAUER name stay > in place on their gear, and I don't blame them for this either, and applaud > them for sticking to their morals... > >> > >I agree...I sure don't want that basketball shoe logo on my Bauer goalie pads >or gloves! Do they intend to put the swoosh logo on all goalie gear? UGH! >This whole Nike in the NHL thing is not so great if you ask me, hockey is a >traditional game. Call me an old fuddy duddy if you like. Sorry if this is >off the goalie topic... I dont think the goalie gear will get it... as it is going to remain Bauer... Because the manufacture of goalie equipment is something that is not easilly mass produced, hopefully the manufacture will still be done in North America, but with NIKE, you can never tell.. I can see possibly the Junior equipment being moved offshore... Some of the Ferland equipment is currently produced in the Orient now... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 18 Apr 1997 20:08:26, -0500 --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- Has anyone on the list ever scored a goal as a goaltender, or seen it happen legally in an amateur game? My current goal is to record a shot on goal. There have been 2 goals scored by goalies during the current 5yr CHL history. And one in the WPHL in the season just finished but I don't recall who or which team. I'll ask the CHL & WPHL listers. bobbie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Olsen Subject: [Fwd: What the heck..] Date: 19 Apr 1997 20:07:42 -0700 Erik Olsen wrote: > It's been a few years, so why not update the ol' Bio... > > Name: Erik Olsen, more commonly known as EGO - #1 > Age: 22 > Height: 5'9" > Weight 240# and out of shape, at the moment..but getting > better. > Occupation: Computer Tech by day, Owner of Black Spiral Distribution > by > night. > > I bought a pair of rollerblades back in '88 to help my knees recover > > from a ACL injury suffered in football. It was a matter of months > before I started playing street hockey in the local supermarket > parking > lot, and I watched my first game of ice hockey (Whalers vs Canucks) > to > improve my street hockey. > > >From then on, I've been a fanatical Canucks fan and hockey player. > I've > been playing in goal for around 8 years, coaching peewee > rollerhockey > for 2 years, and ref-ing on occasion for the last 3 years. I have a > > nifty knack for winding up on the worst possible team in whatever > league > I play in and I'm the only goalie I know to have a save percentage > over > .910 and a GAA over 6.8 in the same year. My bigest problem is lack > of > consistancy and lack of playing time...someday they will built a > rink > here that's either bigger than a toaster or up longer than a week. > > For most of my carrer, there has been no ice in my city. Reno > Nevada is > not known for anything besides it's slot machines because there is > nothing here besides slot machines. I play at the Squaw Valley > Olympic > Ice Pavilion (elevation 8,200) when I can make the drive and get up > early enough to catch the tram. > > I wear Don Simmon's Illusion leg pads, catch, and block, a Ferland > chest > protector, Brown pants, HotBranch's old skates, and I have a Ferland > > mask on it's way in the mail. > > EGO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Olsen Subject: [Fwd: Boston - Resend] Date: 19 Apr 1997 20:08:02 -0700 Erik Olsen wrote: > Hey all..I sent this out a while back, but it didn't seem to go > through, > so here it is again. > > The one and only EGOtistical goalie will be making a jaunt over to > the > Boston/Salem area over the Memorial Day weekend to meet with some > other > over-the-net friends. I plan on being in the area from about the > 23rd > to about the 27th. I'm still debating if I should take all my gear, > but > if someone in the area knows of some open ice time I might be able > to > squeeze into (and maybe a ride or directions to the rink) I'd love > to > say that I stopped a few pucks a on the other side of the country. > > Anyone interested in meeting, having a beer or two, swapping some > 'good > save' stories (or the popular 'torn ACL' stories), please let me > know. > Anyone interested in buying me lunch or whatever can also drop me a > line...donations are always welcome :) > > EGO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: NIKE POEM Date: 20 Apr 1997 09:53:10 -0400 Here is a Poem I cam across while reading the hockey newsgroup... I thought it summed up NIKE very well... Not goalie related, but I think I can get away with it, for all my previous contributions on goaltending and equipment... "We’ve been Swooshed!" BY: Steven Myers http://www.harborside.com/home/s/stevenm/public_html/index.html There once was a man who knew what to do He wanted to build a very good shoe So he toiled at his task and worked through the night And finally made a shoe that was right He held it up proud: achieving his wish And placed on the side of each shoe a nice swoosh He made a decision that turned out most wise Deciding that he should advertise! And advertise he surely did In such a way that every kid And man and woman: girl and boy Knew why it would be such a joy To buy a pair or two or three. Shoes for you and shoes for me The add campaign planed like a war Designed to get us in the store He advertised so much that we Believe in their necessity It all seems great and lovely fun But this here story, it‘s not done. We’re told in adds the swoosh we love it And way deep down those shoes we covet The preps and yups, and status seekers Just love to wear them fancy sneakers Although they are just merely shoes The need so great kids lives they loose Conditioned like old Pavlov’s dog Our mind’s are bound in swooshed up fog From day to day it’s on the news That kids kill kids to get them shoes We obey when at the store And buy those shoes forevermore The man who made the real nice shoe He had another idea too I’ll build those shoes so far away, Away from the old U.S.A. Countries out in far flung places I’ll put them workers through their paces Of course I pay them, I am nice A full day’s wage-a bowl of rice. The cost of sneakers should be cheap But prices always, way too steep! Cheapest wages makes those shoes Yet cost so much. We all lose. And what about those folks back home Who walk the malls, in stores they roam They’re out of work: jobs over seas The few who work have a wage freeze Factories here all shut their door They don’t make shoes here anymore Unions, safety, living wage To end these things is now the rage No jobs for him, no jobs for her, Don’t need jobs-be a customer! I don’t want this to sound too crass But every age has it’s slave class Nefarious acts are all around And profits rise in leaps and bounds In compassionate sincerity He well endowed the University If money from shoes is all you got Respect I guess, it CAN be bought! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Battram pads Date: 20 Apr 1997 12:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Jeff: I make all my big hockey purchases by mail (goal pads, gloves, chest and arm pads, pants, skates, and helmets). This isn't to say that I don't see them first. If possible, I try to go around to hockey stores to look at, and try on, gear before I buy. Being in southern California, no dealer can come close to the prices catalogs can offer. Add to that no sales tax and the savings gets even bigger. I just make sure the catalog has a return policy with no restocking fees before I order. The one exception to this process was my order last year of a set of Battram goal pads. There, I contacted many prior customers and asked them many questions about the pads. I also sent many email messages to Scott discussing my concerns. I am very happy with my goal pads and feel that they have improved my game, particularly my low game, a lot. However, I got the BPGP 2000 and can't say anything about the 500's. The workmanship, however is impressive which I would expect to also be the case for the lower lines. Hope this helps. Larry Smith At 12:15 AM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >It seems a lotta youse guys/ gals have Battram stuff, and of course Scott B. >hisself is a frequent poster in here so I put this question(s) out to you >all...Whatta ya think of the Battram stuff? I have spent plenty of time at >the Battram web site and really like the company a lot, but here's the catch: >my budget puts my leg pad purchase price range at the BPGP500 model...entry >level which is fine with me . What I wanna know is what is the quality of the >lower priced Battram pads like, and what are the companies polices regarding >returns, exchanges, sizing problems, etc etc.... Everyone I talk to sez NEVER >buy goalie pads via mail order, you HAVE to try them on first, etc etc. Does >anybody have any input or experiences buying goalie gear via mail order (from >any company, including Battram)? Or opinions about the Battram stuff?? > >Ignorant yet quizzical, > >Jeff#29 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 20 Apr 1997 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT) At 03:05 AM 4/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Wasn't Billy Smith the first to score a goal? > Billy Smith was the first to be credited with a goal, however, it was later changed. At first he was ruled closest to the puck when a player passing the puck back put it into his own net. Don't remember any details. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Nike Goalie gear? Date: 20 Apr 1997 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) NIKE SUCKS! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norris Douglas Todd Subject: Greg Harrison?? (fwd) Date: 20 Apr 1997 17:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Hey everyone! Does anyone have a way to contact Greg Harrison, so that we can help this man out? Thanks! Doug ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi Doug, I love your site. Really terrific!! I am a freelance researcher here in Toronto, currently doing some research on Goaltender masks. Have been trying unsuccessfully to contact Greg Harrison all day... Can you help. Would be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Lawrence Pinsky Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html Q: How many members of a particular ethnic group does it take to change a light bulb? A: A finite positive number - one to screw in the bulb, and the rest to behave in a manner stereotypical of their group. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Battram pads Date: 21 Apr 1997 09:04:48 -0400 At 12:15 AM 4/19/97 -0400, Jeff wrote: >It seems a lotta youse guys/ gals have Battram stuff, and of course Scott B. >hisself is a frequent poster in here so I put this question(s) out to you >all...Whatta ya think of the Battram stuff? We have the BPGP2000's for my son (age 10) who plays roller hockey and a Battram catcher (saved at least four goals in a tourney this weekend that he wouldn't have saved with his low-end Cooper trapper). We are very happy Battram customers. >I have spent plenty of time at >the Battram web site and really like the company a lot, but here's the catch: >my budget puts my leg pad purchase price range at the BPGP500 model...entry >level which is fine with me . What I wanna know is what is the quality of the >lower priced Battram pads like, When we bought the pads, Scott didn't have the 500's. The 2000 was just $30 more than the 1000, so why not get the better pads? So we did. I think in retrospect, that the 1000 or the 500 may have been a better choice for roller- hockey because the materials are a little different and the extra leather in the 2000's takes a punishment from the asphalt. The stuff is very well built, though I would suspect the 500's may have a little less padding, and more nylon than leather. >and what are the companies polices regarding >returns, exchanges, sizing problems, etc etc.... Everyone I talk to sez NEVER >buy goalie pads via mail order, you HAVE to try them on first, etc etc. Does >anybody have any input or experiences buying goalie gear via mail order (from >any company, including Battram)? Or opinions about the Battram stuff?? The problem ordering goalie pads mail order is you don't know if they will fit or not and you will have to worry about exchanging them if they are not right. But the difference with Battram is they are "Custom fitted" before they are made. That is Scott will ask you for some measurments from which he can calculate the appopriate pad size and you can get pads in 1 inch increments. A lot of mail order pads, in particular low end stuff will only be available in 3 and 5 inch increments which makes getting a fit a bit harder. I would almost be certian that you would not need to return these pads. Now many of our goalies in our league have mail ordered pads from other places and they frequently have to return stuff. Brandon's pads fit right the first time. Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Mail order pads & Battram Date: 21 Apr 1997 07:25:07 MDT This recent thread about the plausibility with mail order. I have no problems with it at all, being my current goal gear from head to toe was over mail order. Denver has poor hockey shops, \and the ones that carry hockey carry minimal goalie gear. Not to mention zero information. I love the Battram pads so much, that just yesterday I thought some day it would be nice to get upgraded, test out new colours, styles. Now that I've used them over 1 year, I'd have more "custom" suggestions for Scott. He is correct in saying you get customized equipment; no where else can you find that--and as I alway say--at that price! Research what you need; access the catalogs for want is available, and weigh your budget to get the best for your buck. Don't be swayed by what the pro's wear...they don't have to save up! My $0.02. --Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Mail Order Date: 21 Apr 1997 09:35:50 -0400 There is no doubt that buying mail order is a way to save money, especially this time of year.  With the major producers already shipping next years models the deals out there are amazing.

Vaughn 2500 gloves around $180.00. A Cooper Reactor 5 chest and arm for $229.00  Bauer 4000 goal skates for $219.  I even saw Vaughn 3500 leg pads at around $800.  Takla senior keeper pants $119!!!

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------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markgraf@odetics.com (Philip Markgraf) Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 21 Apr 1997 09:20:31 -0700 > > At 03:05 AM 4/19/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Wasn't Billy Smith the first to score a goal? > > > Billy Smith was the first to be credited with a goal, however, it was later > changed. At first he was ruled closest to the puck when a player passing > the puck back put it into his own net. Don't remember any details. > > Larry Smith > > Larry, You're thinking of Rogie Vachon. He was the first goalie credited with a goal (for being the last player to touch the puck before the opponant placed said puck in his own net). This was reviewed on tape the next day and awarded to another player (an out player which tipped, but did not control the puck while the opposing goalie was pulled in a delayed penalty situation). Billy Smith was later credited with a goal under similar circumstances, which was not changed. Hextall is the first goalie to score a "pure" goal, where the netminder shot the puck at the opposing net himself. I bevieve this was a regular season game (he was presented with a new car, on ice, at the start of the next homegame). A season or two later he scored in the playoffs. Regards, Phil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Brodeur's goal Date: 21 Apr 1997 17:41:36 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-21 12:33:36 EDT, you write: << Larry, You're thinking of Rogie Vachon. He was the first goalie credited with a goal (for being the last player to touch the puck before the opponant placed said puck in his own net). This was reviewed on tape the next day and awarded to another player (an out player which tipped, but did not control the puck while the opposing goalie was pulled in a delayed penalty situation). >> Whatta bummer! I love little Rogie, I never knew about this situation! But if another player even touches the puck, even w/out controlling it, he gets the goal credit. I mean, how many goals has Dino Ciccarelli been credited with that went in off his leg or back!?! Waiting for MY goal, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: More goalies scoring Date: 22 Apr 1997 08:54:35, -0500 Chico Resch scored about 25 years ago when he played in the original CHL Ft.Worth Wings. Phip Groeneveld scored last year for the FtWorth Fire in a game against Wichita Thunder. bobbie in ftworth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Brodeur's Goal,Worst goaltending video ever Date: 22 Apr 1997 05:57:16 -0700 Whoever said brodeur was facing the front of the net when he shot the goal was wrong he was facing the boards at an angle. He follow though and stop facing the net after the shot on his knee. Brodeur usually shot off his left foot with the left blade digging in to the ice. But the one he scored on was with his right skate digging in the ice. Did anyone noticed that. After the shot he fell down on his left knee. I can't believe he switched foot for the first time. Seen lots of videos of him. Ranford shoot off the right foot too. -------------------- Worst goaltending video ever-Gold in the net vol.3 maybe the whole series. The video is so bad i can not believe it. don't ever buy it. A good video is canadain hockey excellence video on puckhandling for goaltenders. Excellent . Anything by canadain hockey excellence is a good bet to be good. ---------------------- Anyone seen the new goalies world mag with thibault on the cover. Excellent issue, but someone should proof-read it first. I know i have bad grammer and spelling too many pucks to the head. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Brodeur's Goal,Worst goaltending video ever Date: 22 Apr 1997 21:07:23 -0400 >Anyone seen the new goalies world mag with thibault on the cover. >Excellent issue, but someone should proof-read it first. I know i have >bad grammer and spelling too many pucks to the head. > Did you see the article by my friend Steve McKichan!! he explains the myth that NHL goalies are tracking the puck with their eyes.. almost exactly like I tried to explain it a few months back! Steve is the goalie coach with the Detroit Vipers, and loves his new BATTRAM gear he picked up last week... I am going to get him to write a commentary for my site... So now I CAN SAY, WE DO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL USING OUR GEAR... he also spend time in the IHL with Milwaukee, and also within the Canucks Organization.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: In The Crease? Date: 23 Apr 1997 17:29:52 -0400 (EDT) I got to see Game 4 of the PHX-ANA series last night..boy, whatta game! Both goalies played two scoreless periods, with some great saves, but the Coyotes and the "White Out" crowd (gotta admit, that looks REALLY cool in person) pulled it off. Here is the "goalie" part of my post: What do you think of the "In-The-Crease Rule" as a goalkeeper? When a player behind you, totally out of the play, has a toe in the blue paint, does that really affect you on a shot? As a goalie I guess I like it, cuz it keeps enemy players outta my crease COMPLETELY, but it also may penalize MY guys for crashing the enemy net like they ought to....whatta you folks think? Stay outta my crease, pal, Jeff #29 PS Thanks for all the input RE: Battram pads...looks like when I save up the dough I will be the proud owner of..new HEATON PADS!!! Nahh, just joshing. I am gonna get the new 750 series pads in white with red and black trim. Battram forever! Long live Battram! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: Cubberly mask review! Date: 23 Apr 1997 18:18:14 -0400 Would like to pass along a review on the new Cubberly Custom Mask made by of course Ed Cubberly. After talking to Scott Battram, he mention some day he wanted to owe a Cubberly mask because of the craftsmanship and reputation of Ed. I was looking for superior strength and durability for my son because of the level of play and his mild epilepsy. Ed was very helpful by email, phone calls and was eager to satisfy, the caliber of workmanship is unbelievable. I was unable to find the plaster bandage and Ed was able to remedy that problem for me, something he didn't have to do. The mask fits like a glove and is one fine piece of equipment. My son has trouble with cages because of the span of his eyes and Ed was able to fit the cage - no problems with vision! This mask is superior to any helmet he has had in the pass! The straps, chin cup forehead sweat band, paint job, cage are all top quality! Cubberly carries the protective bag for the mask and is worth the extra money. The old saying, "you get what you pay for!" with Ed you get every pennies worth! Goaliedad Gregg Johnson ******************************************************************************* Never Sweat The Small Stuff And Remember Everything Is Small Stuff! ******************************************************************************* gjohnson@portup.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: In The Crease? Date: 23 Apr 1997 18:20:19 -0400 (EDT) > I got to see Game 4 of the PHX-ANA series last night..boy, whatta game! Both > goalies played two scoreless periods, with some great saves, but the Coyotes > and the "White Out" crowd (gotta admit, that looks REALLY cool in person) > pulled it off. Here is the "goalie" part of my post: What do you think of the > "In-The-Crease Rule" as a goalkeeper? When a player behind you, totally out > of the play, has a toe in the blue paint, does that really affect you on a > shot? As a goalie I guess I like it, cuz it keeps enemy players outta my > crease COMPLETELY, but it also may penalize MY guys for crashing the enemy > net like they ought to....whatta you folks think? I think the rule is a nice one. A player on the back door is just as dangerious as one with his foot stuck under you. If the puck sails rink-wide you have to slide to the other side of the net. The last thing you want to happen is to get hit by someone on the other side. Also, the rule is there for game play as well. It is like another blue offsides line. You can't go in until the puck does. BTW, what about the call against the panthers and rangers last night? Scott Melanby bumped a Ranger defenseman as he was jostling for position. The defenseman bumpted Richter and a goal was scored a second later. The ref waved off the goal (presumably because he was going to call the penalty). No panther touched the goalie. No panther intentionally knocked a ranger into the goalie. What contact there was between the two rangers was minimal and Melanby never entered the crease. To me it seemed to be a completly bogus call that cost the panthers the game since it was in overtime. Rob -- Rob Miracle rwm@mpgn.com for webmaster@mpgn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: In The Crease? Date: 23 Apr 1997 15:49:43 -0700 >BTW, what about the call against the panthers and rangers last night? Scott >Melanby bumped a Ranger defenseman as he was jostling for position. The >defenseman bumpted Richter and a goal was scored a second later. The ref >waved off the goal (presumably because he was going to call the penalty). No >panther touched the goalie. No panther intentionally knocked a ranger into >the goalie. What contact there was between the two rangers was minimal and >Melanby never entered the crease. The way I saw it (after several replays) was that Mellanby knocked the Ranger defenceman into Richter (which is interference when that defenceman doesn't have the puck, nor is near it) and then the goal went in with Richter out of position. I think it was the right call to not allow the goal, and a penalty had to be called, else there would be no reason for the whistle. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: In The Crease? Date: 23 Apr 1997 16:13:06 -0700 (PDT) >I got to see Game 4 of the PHX-ANA series last night..boy, whatta game! Both >goalies played two scoreless periods, with some great saves, but the Coyotes >and the "White Out" crowd (gotta admit, that looks REALLY cool in person) >pulled it off. Here is the "goalie" part of my post: What do you think of the >"In-The-Crease Rule" as a goalkeeper? When a player behind you, totally out >of the play, has a toe in the blue paint, does that really affect you on a >shot? As a goalie I guess I like it, cuz it keeps enemy players outta my >crease COMPLETELY, but it also may penalize MY guys for crashing the enemy >net like they ought to....whatta you folks think? > >Stay outta my crease, pal, >Jeff #29 > >PS Thanks for all the input RE: Battram pads...looks like when I save up the >dough I will be the proud owner of..new HEATON PADS!!! Nahh, just joshing. I >am gonna get the new 750 series pads in white with red and black trim. >Battram forever! Long live Battram! I like the idea of keeping opponents out of the crease. Take away enough goals in situations like that one and players will take extra care to be out of the crease and will not try to play on the line. The penalty, loss of a goal, will be too great to risk inadvertent intrusion into the crease. That player may not have an effect on this goal, but next time down he will be more cautious and stay farther out. Otherwise, next time he may be in the crease hindering the goalie. For referees it's far easier to call any intrusion into the crease then to try and determine did that player interfere with the goalie on that play. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: goalies rule Date: 24 Apr 1997 04:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Just a quick note to remind all of you that we play the most hardest, difficultest position...not just in Hockey, but in team sports! Feeling like a number one, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: In the crease: disallowed goals Date: 24 Apr 1997 05:29:34 -0400 I love seeing the in the crease rule being enforced in the NHL, because it means more protection for the goalies. It usually doesn't trickle down to well to the lower levels of the game, but that's ok. However, I think that they have to revise the rule to be more flexible. Even though I'm a goalie, I hate seeing them taking away a goal because some guy has like one foot in the crease. That is just nitpicking and cheesy. On the other hand, I still see goalies gettting run over (sometimes when the puck is in the crease, sometimes not) and nothing being called. I don't think it is the job of the officials to call back goals. I think it is their job to protect the goaltender. I don't have a problem with a goal being scored when there's a guy in the crease as long as he doesn't touch me or the puck. I do have a problem with those guys who dump the puck at me, then proceed to skate right over me while they're "going for the puck." -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Bio Date: 24 Apr 1997 11:09:20 +0100 Sorry I'm late, I've been away... Malcolm Preen, aged 32 Born Scotland, resides England Married 5 months. No kids - but we are thinking about getting a dog Playing hockey for 6 years now - the first three as a forward, so yes, I've scored a goal :-) Always had goalie mentality, as I played soccer in nets as a kid, must be in the family genes as my brother also plays in goal for field hockey and soccer. Been to hockey camps for four years (missed last year), Winnipeg and Toronto. Returning this year, when I also will be picking up my new Battram pads and gloves (and you thought it was painful waiting for the UPS van.....] I tried playing English League last season, but 90 minutes ice time in a season wasn't really making me happy, so I'm now playing recreational hockey again. Had my first shutout last year, a 33 save performance in an 11-0 win. Future plans: To learn how to shoot the puck, and to remember not to sit back on my heels when I go down... I'm only 5'6" on a good day anyway. Malcolm -- Malcolm (recent 1-0-0 sav%90.24 GAA 4.36 - career 22-19-1 85.85% 5.83) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results/Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaslekween@aol.com Subject: Re: In The Crease? Date: 24 Apr 1997 12:45:54 -0400 (EDT) If they are going to to enforce the rule, All officials in Every game oughta enforce it. Concistency is the key. Karina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lambert Subject: Crease's WEB BOARDS Up & Running Date: 24 Apr 1997 14:40:59 -0400 The interactive Web Boards on The Goalie's Crease are now functioning completely. For Sale and Equipment Reviews were the pages that would bring up an error dialoque box when accessed. Now all three boards including Strategy have the reply feature. This allows to post a response to an existing message. The response will be indented underneath it. Also, their have been innapropriate messages on The Crease. I found the person who was doing it and they have been banned from my site. If the problim persists please mail me at paumic@ids.net and I will deny access to him/her to. Weekly chats will be on Saturday evening around 9 Eastern time. Chris Lambert Crease Manager paumic@ids.net http://www.ids.net/~paumic/TheCrease/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Goalie magazines Date: 24 Apr 1997 18:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Hello Goalies... Does anybody know of any (printed, not electronic) goalie magazines out there? I have heard of "Goalie's World" but don't know how to get an issue to check out or subscribe or whatever...There are tons of online goalie resources, how about some printed stuff too?! Sitting on the can with nothing to read, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Cubberly Subject: Shawn Woods Date: 24 Apr 1997 21:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Shawn, I tried to e mail you a response to your letter but I kept getting it sent back to me. If you want to send me your address I will mail you my letter. Thanks, Ed Cubberly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Re: Goalie magazines Date: 25 Apr 1997 09:42:47 +0200 I subscribe to Goalies World but can't seem to find the only issue I have recieved so far. I think they have a web site some where but any way you can e-mail them at goalies.world@zone.ca, hope this helps. Is there any other prinetd goalie magazines out there? Adam #35 LET'S GO RANGERS! At 06:17 PM 4/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Goalies... > >Does anybody know of any (printed, not electronic) goalie magazines out >there? I have heard of "Goalie's World" but don't know how to get an issue to >check out or subscribe or whatever...There are tons of online goalie >resources, how about some printed stuff too?! > >Sitting on the can with nothing to read, >Jeff #29 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick McCullough Subject: Re: Goalie magazines Date: 25 Apr 1997 08:21:42 -0700 >>Does anybody know of any (printed, not electronic) goalie magazines out >>there? I have heard of "Goalie's World" but don't know how to get an issue= to >>check out or subscribe or whatever...There are tons of online goalie >>resources, how about some printed stuff too?! Here you go (and I really like this mag): Goalie's World Magazine, Inc. 179 rue St. Louis, Loretteville, Qu=E9bec, Canada G2B 1L2 418 847 0861 (ph) 418 847 6618 (fax) goalies.world@zone.ca Dick McCullough, President MACRO Consulting, Inc. http://www.macroinc.com dick@macroinc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: goalie gloves? Date: 25 Apr 1997 17:54:01 -0400 Hey, I'm a 16 year old female goalie who plays travel hockey. I've totally worn out my Brian's Theif Midnight Series trapper, and to tell you the truth I never really liked the way it broke in. It was hard to flex the palm, and the pucks rebounded kinda funny off of it. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what glove might work best for me. I want a senior or senior pro glove, with good protection and a large catching surface/pocket. I also need the glove to last. My hands aren't that big, so I don't want a huge glove but I don't want a small one either. I'd also like to get one that'll last. Thanks, Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings deadhead@itookmyprozac.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ed Hughes" Subject: In the crease Date: 25 Apr 1997 16:09:05 -0600 I would like to see the crease rule stay like it is. The league I play in is pretty competitve for an adult league. Not like college, but we still several division I players and a few ECHL pros. At that level the refs try the best they can, but they miss a lot. Including players hacking the goaltenders. I have enough experience and big enough (6'4" 200 lbs) to usually take care of myself. But when a player comes through the crease and trips you from behind and the ref says, "Sorry, didn't see", it can be frustrating. The crease is there to protect the goalie. No puck, no offensive player. If a player is caught in the crease the whistle blows. If they go to rectangular-box in the half-circle, and the ref is supposed to blow the whistle is a player is in the crease before the puck, then how can they allow a goal when a player is in the space between the two. Eventtually, players will say I was in space between the box and circle and but not interfering with the goaltender and goals are allowed, therefore you should blow the play dead and have a face-off outside circle. Ultimately that space between the box and half circle will become meaningless. How many times have you had an offensive player circle behind the net, you start you slide across to the other post, he comes out the other side, passes to slot and you try to square up to make the save but you have a guy camped in he circle and cuts you off or you get tangled up. Shot. Maybe a score. And the ref said your defensmen pushed him in the crease. Of course your defensmen was in the crease, too, trying to push this guy out. All you can do at this point is let the ref know that this guy has been interfering with, and if he won't make the call of "man in the crease", you will defend your position (i.e. hack the guy). Hopefully, you have drawn some attention and the ref will catch the guy in the crease and you get the whistle. When they had just the square box, players did not crowd the crease as much as they do it now. The game has evelved abit, especailly with the advent of equipment we have today. Players now, may never score a point, but the create lots of scoring chances by either screening the goalie or drawing penalties. That's all part of the game. What we seldom see in the highlights is the goalie banging into a player posiitoned in or around the crease or a player banging a goalie as he comes through the crease. Only the times when a goal was called back. Without that half-circle, it will make it that much harder for a goaltender to move and play his position. A goaltenders job is the puck. I don't have a problem having to occasionally move a screen or get bumped, but if a ref misses the man in the crease and I can't get to my position, I think it is an unfair DISadvantage to the goaltender. Like someone mentioned earlier. Players have prefected crossing the blue line and not being off-sides, they can deal with staying outside the crease. The the thing the ref, and only the ref, must determine if an offensive player was pushed or forced into the crease by a defensive player. If yes, then no histle to blow the play dead and if a goal was scored, the play stands. That's the way it's handled now. My two cents and some change! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: NEW GOAL PAD FROM BATTRAM Date: 25 Apr 1997 19:52:05 -0400 We are pleased to announce that a new pad has been added to the growing family of BATTRAM models... Our goal is to produce top notch affordable equipment that will meet anyones budget. We have stuff that PROS would use, as well as the rec goalie. And I am really excited to announce the BPGP 750 goal pad. The BPGP 750 was designed for the goalie who doesnt want to pay alot of money, but at the same time get a great quality goalie pad. It is a full synthetic leather pad, with embroidered logos, and full slash guards, as well as a cordura and nash clarino backing. It is available in all our colours. As with our BPGP 500 ($375.00 US or 510.00 Canadian) the BPGP 750 will sell for $475.00 US or $610.00 Canadian in Senior Sizes 29 - 36". Simply put, there isnt a better value out there for pads of this quality. Or as one of my employee's told me, probably there isnt a pad in the world that will compare to the BPGP 500 for outstanding VALUE. Steve McKichan, the former Vancouver Canuck, and Milwaukee Admirals goaltender will be faxing me a testimonial on his new BPGP3500/BPGT 2000/BPGB 3500 equipment that he picked up last week... I will post that to the group and on our website. Steve called me again today to tell me "These are the best pads I have ever used... including his Vaughns he used in Milwaukee" He likes the stuff so much, he took it all over to the Detroit Vipers practise yesterday and was showing the IHL goalies, that he coaches... so hopefully next year we will see some Battram in the IHL. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MorrisGC" Subject: Re: goalie gloves? Date: 25 Apr 1997 16:25:47 PDT I have a Heaton L3000 that has been great and broke in very quickly. I don't think they make that exact model (it used to be their top of the line glove) anymore but I assume the current model Helite III or Helite IV is at least as good (and probably better). George Morris morrisgc@perkin-elmer.com _______________________________________________________________________________ Hey, I'm a 16 year old female goalie who plays travel hockey. I've totally worn out my Brian's Theif Midnight Series trapper, and to tell you the truth I never really liked the way it broke in. It was hard to flex the palm, and the pucks rebounded kinda funny off of it. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what glove might work best for me. I want a senior or senior pro glove, with good protection and a large catching surface/pocket. I also need the glove to last. My hands aren't that big, so I don't want a huge glove but I don't want a small one either. I'd also like to get one that'll last. Thanks, Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings deadhead@itookmyprozac.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Goalie Coaching Article - The Goalie Factory Date: 25 Apr 1997 22:24:53 -0400 Hi All, I just posted the latest goalie coaching article "Why aren't I the Best Goalie?" by Fred Quistgard of Quistgard Goalie Training on our web site. This one is about attitude and is located in The Goalie Factory Web page at http://www.promasque.com/keepinf.htm. I hope you like it! Regards, Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: RE: goalie gloves? Date: 25 Apr 1997 18:27:09 -0400 Howdy: 2 suggestions: first, look into Battram's gloves....I've never seen = one in person, but they look like a peach basket, and owning a couple of = scott's products, I know they're top of the line. Also, I use a Vaughn 1950 trapper, and I like it a lot. Vaughn is also = a name you can trust. Matt Malicki PS: for those of you who have your computer set to play a sound when = you get mail from the list, I have a sound that you might like. E-mail = me for info. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x96malicki@wmich.edu Actual Pepperidge Farms Cake Box: "Serving size: 1/8 cake. Servings = per box: About 8" "Bug Go Squish Now!" - Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, April 25, 1997 5:54 PM Hey, I'm a 16 year old female goalie who plays travel hockey. I've totally = worn out my Brian's Theif Midnight Series trapper, and to tell you the truth = I never really liked the way it broke in. It was hard to flex the palm, = and the pucks rebounded kinda funny off of it.=20 I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what glove might = work best for me. I want a senior or senior pro glove, with good protection = and a large catching surface/pocket. I also need the glove to last. My hands aren't that big, so I don't want a huge glove but I don't want a small = one either. I'd also like to get one that'll last. Thanks, Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings deadhead@itookmyprozac.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/ =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Pucks!! Date: 26 Apr 1997 10:57:43 +0100 Hi All, My parents just returned from holiday in Florida and brought back with them an official NHL hockey puck (Sharks), I play field hockey and thought that field hockey goalies had it worst because the ball was bigger and harder and the shots were more fierce (IMO!!), but jesus christ!! I hadn't realised just how tough a hockey puck really is and not only that, doesn't it get frozen before a game so it doesn't lose it's shape etc??!! I was holding it in my hand and thought to myself, I see now why so many goalies wear an extra padded glove under their catching mitt!! C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: Goalie Skates Date: 26 Apr 1997 17:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Reply to Scott Battram: > > In hockey gear, the Swoosh is supposed to be on all Visible equipment such > as helmets, gloves and skates... and Bauer is going to be on all the > protective gear that isn't Visible.. along with goalie equipment... > supposedly by next year the switch will be complete... However, i have > heard that some high profile players still want to have the BAUER name stay > in place on their gear, and I don't blame them for this either, and applaud > them for sticking to their morals... Whoa. What do you mean "applaud them for sticking to their morals"? Nike bought Canstar. Nothing wrong with that. We can be disappointed that the Bauer factory closed, and so on, but if a player was wearing Bauer equipment before, and now that equipment is being made by Nike, why is it immoral to wear the new equipment with the new logo? If they don't like Nike's business practises, then they can switch to other equipment. But asking for the Bauer name to stay means that the players are asking Nike to HIDE the fact that Nike makes their equipment. So if they are truly concerned about the fact that Nike employs cheap labour overseas, then hiding the fact that they are supporting Nike is what's immoral. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: Goalie Skates Date: 26 Apr 1997 17:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Reply to Dave Steinhart: > > Whoa. What do you mean "applaud them for sticking to their morals"? > > Nike bought Canstar. Nothing wrong with that. We can be disappointed that > the Bauer factory closed, and so on, but if a player was wearing Bauer > equipment before, and now that equipment is being made by Nike, why is > it immoral to wear the new equipment with the new logo? If they don't > like Nike's business practises, then they can switch to other equipment. > But asking for the Bauer name to stay means that the players are asking > Nike to HIDE the fact that Nike makes their equipment. So if they are > truly concerned about the fact that Nike employs cheap labour overseas, > then hiding the fact that they are supporting Nike is what's immoral. I realise there is an ambiguity in both the original thread and my response. When Scott said that players were asking for the Bauer name to "stay in place on their gear," it's not clear if they are simply asking to remove the swoosh and replace it with "BAUER" or whether they are asking for the equipment to continue to be made by Bauer. I was assuming the former. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Explain please Date: 27 Apr 1997 11:13:39, -0500 My 14yo son's been a rollergoalie for several years, I'm the off-floor official for our small roller league. Now that he's breaking into ice hockey, we need to know....what do the designations A, AA, and B mean for Bantam & Midgets? He'll be the practice goalie for a Bantam Travel B team, in addition to playing in the short spring season on I presume is a "house" team. Bobbie, goaliemom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Explain please Date: 27 Apr 1997 14:41:16, -0500 THanks Kevin, that's about what we figured. But since *I'm* the one the parents will ask when we start USAInline next season, I figured I'd better know the right answer, even if we don't use all the designations. bobbie --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- The letter designations are a way for the coaches and the leagues to match up kids of matching skill level. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Goalie #'s Date: 28 Apr 1997 01:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Okay, here's a little discussion provoker for my fellow puck deflectors to chew on: How come most NHL goalies have uniform numbers in the high 30's (30, 31, 32, and 33 being VERY popular) or number 1? I realize some guys have wacky numbers like 93 (Puppa), 41 (T-BO), and 60 (Theodore), but most have very traditional uniform numbers... anybody have any ideas, comments, etc etc??? Stacking the pads, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Goalie # Date: 28 Apr 1997 10:22:56 +0200 My guess would be that as we are such a special part of the team :) we either get the first number (1) or we get the last number (after everybody else has gotten their number) whatever that may be. Just a guess though. Adam #35 I didn't get to pick first but I would have picked this number anyhow (does the name Mike Richter ring a bell?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: Goalie #'s Date: 28 Apr 1997 01:44:18 PDT (Mon) > Okay, here's a little discussion provoker for my fellow puck deflectors to > chew on: > > How come most NHL goalies have uniform numbers in the high 30's (30, 31, 32, > and 33 being VERY popular) or number 1? I realize some guys have wacky > numbers like 93 (Puppa), 41 (T-BO), and 60 (Theodore), but most have very > traditional uniform numbers... anybody have any ideas, comments, etc etc??? > > Stacking the pads, > Jeff #29 Oh, cool, one of my favorite subjects. In the olden days when I first started following hockey, every goal tender wore 1. Teams would not even dress a second goal tender. But when the second goal tender would dress, the traditional number to wear was 30. So 30 meant backup goalie, 1 meant the man. At the same time, skaters all wore numbers between 2 and 29. The very low single digit numbers tended to be defenders as well, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. In the early 60s, some goalies started to wear 30 even after they won the #1 job. Then Tony Esposito came along and broke the trend and wore 35. Shortly after, Ken Dryden started wearing 29. So most goalies these days tend to wear a number between 29 and 35. Phil Esposito may have been the first name player to break out of the 2-29 mold when he took 77 when he moved to the Rangers. According to a friend of mine: there was also a kid named Wilf Paiemont drafted by the old Kansas City Scouts that wore 99 in 1974, and a guy named Rick Dudley (Sabres I think) who wore 99 around '70s-'80s timeframe. And John Davidson wore 00 as a goalie for the Rangers. According to the same friend, here are some 1/30 pairs: Rangers -- Eddie Giacomin and Gilles Villemeure Wings -- Roger Crozier and Terry Sawchuk Maple Leafs -- Johnny Bower and Bruce Gamble Canadiens -- Charlie Hodge and Jacques Plante later Gump Worsley and Rogie Vachon. Blackhawks -- Dennis DeJordy and Dave Dryden (Ken's brother). Wanna talk baseball uniform numbers too? Know why Babe Ruth wore 3 and Lou Gherig (where does that h go? Gerhig? Gehrig?) wore 4? I guess not, this is a hockey goalie list after all. - Chuck Collins (#35 to honor Tony) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Terreri's mask Date: 28 Apr 1997 01:47:36 PDT (Mon) I wear a Cooper 2000 helmet with a forward's cage when I play. I'm moving up a level this summer season, and I'm seeing a lot more shots whizzing by my head. So it's time to purchase a new cage for my helmet. I've been through every local shop, and through every mail order catalog with pictures, and can't find the style of mask that Chris Terreri (and I think Osgood) have on their 2000s. Can someone please tell me the manufaturer and model number so I can order one mail order? - Chuck Collins cpc@chkpt.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David DeCoster Subject: Re: goalie gloves? Date: 28 Apr 1997 07:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Go custom made. Battram or Paul Thompson. > Excerpts from mail: 25-Apr-97 goalie gloves? Shannon > Perkins@itookmyp (752*) > Hey, > I'm a 16 year old female goalie who plays travel hockey. I've > totally worn > out my Brian's Theif Midnight Series trapper, and to tell you the > truth I > never really liked the way it broke in. It was hard to flex the > palm, and > the pucks rebounded kinda funny off of it. > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what glove > might work > best for me. I want a senior or senior pro glove, with good > protection and a > large catching surface/pocket. I also need the glove to last. My > hands > aren't that big, so I don't want a huge glove but I don't want a > small one > either. I'd also like to get one that'll last. > > > > Davey D David L DeCoster Dept. 40G, Lanserver Development and RF/Systems Support We've done so much for so long with so little. Now we can do anything with nothing. Internal: decoster@rchland, decoster@endvm5 Internet: ddecoster@vnet.ibm.com TL 855-6630 / (607) 755-6630 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Terreri's mask Date: 28 Apr 1997 07:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Chuck I believe that is the Cooper HM30 which is no longer sanctioned for ice hockey. Larry Smith At 01:47 AM 4/28/97 PDT, you wrote: >I wear a Cooper 2000 helmet with a forward's cage when I play. I'm moving >up a level this summer season, and I'm seeing a lot more shots whizzing >by my head. So it's time to purchase a new cage for my helmet. > >I've been through every local shop, and through every mail order catalog >with pictures, and can't find the style of mask that Chris Terreri (and >I think Osgood) have on their 2000s. > >Can someone please tell me the manufaturer and model number so I can order >one mail order? > >- Chuck Collins >cpc@chkpt.COM > > > . So it's time to purchase a new cage for my helmet. > >I've been through every local shop, and through every mail order catalog >with pictures, and can't find the style of mask that Chris Terreri (and >I think Osgood) have on their 2000s. > >Can someone please tell me the manufaturer and model number so I can order >one mail order? > >- Chuck Collins >cpc@chkpt.COM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noralee.Raymond@Dartmouth.EDU (Noralee Raymond) Subject: Re: goalie gloves? Date: 28 Apr 1997 10:18:54 EDT Definately go custom made. I am not going to suggest a brand, as I no longer stay updated on the latest equiptment. My last glove was a Brian's Hook senior but I sent in a tracing of my hand to have the inside made to my hand. It worked very well. Before that I had a Vaughn 2000, which I also had custom made and liked the fit but due to my own positioning, tended to catch pucks on the back of the hand and broke my finger two different times, so I am bit biased to judge that glove as it was my own fault. Getting it custom made will alleviate the problem of having to get a glove with a smaller catching area in order to fit your hand. Good Luck! Hey, > I'm a 16 year old female goalie who plays travel hockey. I've > totally worn > out my Brian's Theif Midnight Series trapper, and to tell you the > truth I > never really liked the way it broke in. It was hard to flex the > palm, and > the pucks rebounded kinda funny off of it. > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what glove > might work > best for me. I want a senior or senior pro glove, with good > protection and a > large catching surface/pocket. I also need the glove to last. My > hands > aren't that big, so I don't want a huge glove but I don't want a > small one > either. I'd also like to get one that'll last. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Terreri's mask Date: 28 Apr 1997 11:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Terreri's mask is a cooper SK2000 helmet with a cooper HM30 cats eye cage. If your looking for one, go to the fast action sports web page, thats where I bought mine. The cage costs about $28 and the helmet anout $55. You can access fast action sports at: http://www.fastaction.com/ If you don't see the cage and helmet, send them an email asking specifically for the cooper SK2000 helmet with a cooper HM30 cats eye cage. take care, John #42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Terreri's mask Date: 28 Apr 1997 09:51:42 -0700 >Terreri's mask is a cooper SK2000 helmet with a cooper HM30 cats eye cage. >If your looking for one, go to the fast action sports web page, thats where I >bought mine. The cage costs about $28 and the helmet anout $55. > >You can access fast action sports at: >http://www.fastaction.com/ > >If you don't see the cage and helmet, send them an email asking specifically >for the cooper SK2000 helmet with a cooper HM30 cats eye cage. You should check with the league you're playing in (unless it's just pickup hockey), as the cat's eye cages are not covered by insurance in most minor/adult hockey leagues in both Canada and the US. Steve Langevin Assistant Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaslekween@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalie # Date: 28 Apr 1997 14:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Have a trivia question for you all that probably will be easy for most of you but has stumped me!! What goalie(s) has scored a goal in a game?? Any goalies score more than one?? My son asked me after last nights ECHL semi-final playoff game between the PENSACOLA ICE PILOTS and the So. Carolina Stingrays and I coouldn't answer. (We are interested in the NHL goalies for this answer though). Thanks for the help. Karina :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: Goalie # Date: 28 Apr 1997 13:09:42 -0600 (MDT) Reply to Kaslekween@aol.com: > > Have a trivia question for you all that probably will be easy for most of you > but has stumped me!! What goalie(s) has scored a goal in a game?? Any > goalies score more than one?? My son asked me after last nights ECHL > semi-final playoff game between the PENSACOLA ICE PILOTS and the So. Carolina > Stingrays and I coouldn't answer. (We are interested in the NHL goalies for > this answer though). > Thanks for the help. > Karina :-) Didn't we just do this? Hextall (twice), Brodeur, Osgood. Smith was credited with a goal, but didn't put the puck in net himself (he was last player offensive player to touch the puck). I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong... (-; Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: He shoots, he scores! Date: 28 Apr 1997 21:13:22 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-28 20:40:33 EDT, you write: << Have a trivia question for you all that probably will be easy for most of you but has stumped me!! What goalie(s) has scored a goal in a game?? Any goalies score more than one?? >> Sheesh this one IS easy( I think)...Hextall, Osgood, and now, Marty Broduer. Hexy scored twice, once on theregular season, once in the playoffs, Ozzie scored once in reg. season, and Broduer scored once in the playoffs, this very season vs Montreal. I believe that is all the NHL goalie scoring there has ever been...I think. Then there is NY Islander Billy Smith who was the 1st goalie CREDITED with a goal, but it was actually the Colarado Rockies Rob Ramage who inadvertently fired the puck into his own (empty, due to a delayed penalty against the Isles) net. Smith was the last Islander to touch the puck and was thusly awarded the goal. Rogie Vachon also was briefly credited with a goal, I think, but got shafted out of it somehow... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dosenbach Subject: First Game Date: 29 Apr 1997 13:08:17 -0700 I didn't want to send out my bio last week when everyone else did since I wasn't "officially" a goalie yet. Since I had my first game last night, I think I can now. :) Name: Mike Dosenbach DOB: 8/14/71 Place of Birth: Royal Oak, MI Height: 6'0" Weight: 170 Experience: 1 game. :) Current Residence: San Mateo, CA Growing up in Michigan, I had an appreciation for hockey, but didn't really get into watching it until late high school and early college. I was never much of an athlete growing up, so I never played it either. Since college, I've really gotten into watching hockey. When I moved to Las Vegas, I met a guy who was really into playing roller hockey. I started to play then on tennis courts, etc. I gave it up when I moved to California until a few of my friends were interested in starting to play. Finally, I got tired of playing in parking lots and tennis courts, and wanted to join a league. So, I organized a team here at work. We didn't have a goalie, so I volunteered. The more I thought about it, the more natural it felt. I started to play goal during our practices on the tennis courts, but I was using my skater pads and a baseball mit. Last night was our first game, and I feel pretty good. It was the first time I'd ever even tried on kickers, chest pads, etc. but they felt pretty natural. :) We lost 8-5, and I let in about 4 or 5 weak goals, but I'm satisfied with my first start. I made a few saves on reflexes, and even more saves just by being in the right position or by letting the shooter make the first move. The only problem I had was that I had to use the pads owned by the rink. They were thrashed, and soaking wet when I put them on. If anyone here in NoCal wants to lend me a set of pads, I'd be forever grateful. :) Two words: I'm hooked. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: New Battram on-line catalog Date: 29 Apr 1997 16:50:05 -0500 (CDT) I have a new Battram Goalie Equipment catalog on-line now. It's still under minor construction, but done for the most part. It offers on-line order taking and it accepts credit cards for payments. The main problem with it right now is it isn't figuring out shipping correctly, so for now it add $20 to each order as Visa requires me to tell you the max possible charge, and I send out an email with the correct total. I'm working on the code for the shop to change this. Give it a try and let me know what you think :) http://battram.hockey.net Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: Goalie # Date: 30 Apr 1997 00:23:52 -0400 Dave Steinhart wrote: 
Reply to Kaslekween@aol.com: 
> 
> Have a trivia question for you all that probably will be easy for most of you 
> but has stumped me!!  What goalie(s) has scored a goal in a game??  Any 
> goalies score more than one??  My son asked me after last nights ECHL 
> semi-final playoff game between the PENSACOLA ICE PILOTS and the So. Carolina 
> Stingrays and I coouldn't answer. (We are interested in the NHL goalies for 
> this answer though). 
> Thanks for the help. 
> Karina  :-) 

Didn't we just do this? 

Hextall (twice), Brodeur, Osgood.  Smith was credited with a goal, but 
didn't put the puck in net himself (he was last player offensive player 
to touch the puck). 

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong... (-; 

Dave 
  Paul Cohen also scored one in the AHL I believe. 

Ron 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 03:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Here is yet another question for my fellow targets: Do you prefer the Cat-Eye style wire cage or the criss-cross style like Beezer uses? I know the Cat eye is not approved for use in some leagues...what are the differences in visibility and protection? I have decided against the helmet/ cage combo (thanks to all who chipped in opinions!) and am now wrestling with this next decision...a little input? Hiding a beer in my catch glove, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: REVIEW BY FORMER NHL GOALIE Date: 30 Apr 1997 07:23:42 -0400 Hi there guys, I just wanted to pass along a fax I recieved from a customer... Scott, I wanted to write you to give you some feedback on your goaltending equipment. As a former NCAA Div 1, ECHL, IHL(3 years) and NHL(1 year) goaltender, and current profrssional goaltender coach with the Detroit Vipers of the IHL. I have seen and or used all of the equipment out there. Your new line of leg pads and glove are the best I've seen. From the workmanship to the true "customized" service I received. I am truly impressed. The pads fit perfectly as measured and were easy to use with little or no break-in. The black, red and gold colours really look great and I've gotten tonns of comments on them. Keep up the good work! Stephen McKichan B.S. Ed Former Vancouver Canuck Detroit Vipers Goalie Coach Owner: Future Pro Goalie School TEL: (519) 225-2070 FUTURE PRO GOALTENING INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO IS AVAILABLE BY CONTACTING STEVE at the above number. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 08:23:15 -0400 At 03:17 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >Here is yet another question for my fellow targets: >Do you prefer the Cat-Eye style wire cage or the criss-cross style like >Beezer uses? I know the Cat eye is not approved for use in some >leagues...what are the differences in visibility and protection? I have >decided against the helmet/ cage combo (thanks to all who chipped in >opinions!) and am now wrestling with this next decision...a little input? I guess my first question is: Are you getting paid to play so that you need the absolute best advantage with out regards for saftey? My second question is : Are you willing to accept the increased (slight) risk of a facial or eye injury to gain a marginal (very slight, maybe immeasurable) advantage from increased vision? To me the risk of taking a stick through the cat's eye is enough I wont allow my goalie son to use one. Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 10:14:43 -0700 i greatly prefer the regular cage style. i really don't notice the bars very much, and for me the big concern is *safety*. i know a local goalie (works at the hockey store) who replaced his cage with a cat's eye, and the very first game out someone hit a slap shot and the puck nailed the cage at precisely the right angle, and wedged itself in the eye opening. dave said that when he blinked, he could feel his eyelashes brushing the puck. *shudder*. i'll stick with my cage, thanks. i need my eyes. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 14:32:59 EST Allright fellow puck stoppers, it's time for another survey... Pick your top five goaltenders of all time, any league, any where. I'll start ... 1) Jacques Plante 2) Bernie Parent 3) Ken Dryden 4) Tony Esposito 5) Patrick Roy and #6) Just 'cause I think he's gonna be a real force in years to come Patrick Lalime BTW These are in now particular order... JT..#31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 12:45:31 -0700 >1) Jacques Plante >2) Bernie Parent >3) Ken Dryden >4) Tony Esposito >5) Patrick Roy > >and #6) Just 'cause I think he's gonna be a real force in years to >come Patrick Lalime Lalime, the one year wonder? :P He's the next Alain Chevrier... My top five of all time: 1) Patrick Roy - As one sign said in the '93 playoffs "INC-ROY-HAB-LE" 2) Ken Dryden - Most dominant goalie of the 70s in the NHL 3) Vladislav Tretiak - Most dominant goalie of the 70s period. 4) Georges Vezina - Where would we be without him? 5) Martin Brodeur - The next most dominant goalie into the next century Steve Langevin Associate Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: RE: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:35:41 -0400 Howdy: Can't guarentee that I'll stick to 5, but here goes (in no particular = order, except where noted): #1 of all time: Rejean Lemelin, Flames/Bruins : To be honest, I = haven't seen much of any of his play. However, I have spoken with him = on many an occasion, and I credit him and his mental coaching with = elevating my game to where it is now. Tim Cheveldae, Red Wings (stop laughing): He was the man that inspired = me to try goaltending. I still say that he got a bum rap in Detroit. Chris Osgood, Red Wings: Gets in as my favorite current Red Wings = goalie. Great attitude, good skills. And a cool helmet. Ron Hextall, Flyers: Not only proof that stand up is alive and well, = gives a whole new meaning to protecting one's crease. Dominik Hasek, Sabres: Good to see someone other than myself trying to = succeed without such small things as a style. Manon Rheume (sp?), Lightning & others: Say what you want about her = ability, or the fact that her coming into the NHL was just a publicity = stunt. I still think that she opened the sport up to women. And this = is a good thing. I guess that about does it. =20 Later, Malicki ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x96malicki@wmich.edu Actual Pepperidge Farms Cake Box: "Serving size: 1/8 cake. Servings = per box: About 8" "Bug Go Squish Now!" - Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 3:33 PM Allright fellow puck stoppers, it's time for another survey...=20 Pick your top five goaltenders of all time, any league, any where. I'll start ... 1) Jacques Plante 2) Bernie Parent 3) Ken Dryden 4) Tony Esposito 5) Patrick Roy and #6) Just 'cause I think he's gonna be a real force in years to=20 come Patrick Lalime BTW These are in now particular order... JT..#31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: favorite goalies Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:29:41 -0400 My five favorite goalies, in no particular oder: 1)Curtis Joseph 2)Dominik Hasek 3)Patrick Roy 4)Glenn Hall 5)Gilles Gratton I also think that Grant Fuhr and John Vanbiesbrouck deserve to be mentioned. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "Sure, goaltending is a normal job! How would you like it if at your job everytime you made a slight mistake, a red light flashed over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you?" -Jaques Plante ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:35:26 -0400 At 02:32 PM 4/30/97 EST, Jason wrote: >Allright fellow puck stoppers, it's time for another survey... > >Pick your top five goaltenders of all time, any league, any where. I haven't been following hockey long enough to have any old time favorites, but here are my favorite goalies (forgive any spelling errors please): Darcy Wakiluck | Nikolai Khabibulen |------ Only because they have cool names ??? Tugnutt | John Van Beezer Example of someone labeled "Has-been" too early Grant Feur You gotta love a guy who thinks he can play 80+ games. ??? Shields Another good name and he has a lot of guts to start playing in the playoffs. Now for the dislike list: Ron Hextall "you thug" (even though he has scored twice) Patrick "Saskwatch" Roy* (I said my spelling was horrid.) Have you ever wondered why the Avalanch have a "big foot" on their shoulders? Mike Richter* Martin Brodeur* (Well I actually like him, but he is my wife's fav. so I obviouslly have to be against him.) Dominck Hasek Well I used to like him, but this little stunt he is pulling is stupid. * Actually I have a lot of respect for these goalies, but that doesn't mean I have to like them. Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew_maholski@reyrey.com (ANDREW D MAHOLSKI) Subject: RE: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:41:00 -0400 Here are my favorite goalies of all time. 1. My Dad -- Is there any need to ask. Goalie for the 56-58 (or there abouts) Hazel Park Red Wings semipro hockey club and farm team. 2. Pierre Gagnon -- Goalie for Macon Whoopee CHL hockey club in 96-97. Played for Moncton (SP) univ previously. The only pro-hockey goalie other than my dad that I know personally. I have his 96-97 Whoopee home jersey. 3. Dominik Hasek -- 96-97 NHL MVP (or should be). I love his style. 4. Patrick Roy -- The best goalie of the past 10 years. 5. Martin Broduer -- The best goalie of the next 10 years. Honerable mention -- Manon Rheume, Darren Puppa, Eddie Johnson, Darren Pang (I like little guys like me) Andrew M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Favorites Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:51:06 +0200 Here we go: 1. Mike Richter, what can I say, Stanley Cup, World Cup 2. Guy Hebert, is finally getting some attention (all star game, instead of Osgood but anyway). They are my one and two then there are a slure of goalies I think are good: Vanbiesbrouck, Vernon, Moog, Joseph, Roy, Belfour, Jablonski (did a good job in the World Championships a while back) Duffus (same as Jablonski) etc etc. Does have anyy opinoins on why goalies can really have off seasons like: Carey, Barrasso (injury I know), Lacher (what happened, number one one season then good bye). I also have a question to you all: do you think that training with a lower level team than you usually do can "lower" your abilities (you get used to slower shots etc...) ? Thanks! Adam #35 LET'S GO RANGERS! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Foundation Comics Subject: RE: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:05:59 -0500 At 03:35 PM 4/30/97 -0400, Matt Malicki wrote: > >#1 of all time: Rejean Lemelin, Flames/Bruins : To be honest, I haven't seen much of any of his play. However, I have spoken with him on many an occasion, and I credit him and his mental coaching with elevating my game to where it is now. The same goes with me, as well.. although I don't really have any league time right now(but hey.. I'm learning other things as well tradition etc, and it helps to be able to talk and listen when you can't climb into the crease and play...) Moog I credit to opening my eyes to wanting to play goal.. he's incredibly fun to watch and Belfour I enjoy watching for style (similar to mine) and on another one of my favorite teams Roy and Thibault have soft spots with me (also because of Lemelin.. looooong story).... I'm not sure if some people would think this is off topic.. I don't mind.. there're some goalies that really have given us something to keep personally I guess... even if they're not pro... I enjoy my chats with Matt on this list, a lot of the list members I've chatted with that you can learn from or even just share ideas/experiences with... at any rate... best of luck in the crease! Cynthia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Mashhadian Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:24:31 -0700 >I guess my first question is: Are you getting paid to play so that you >need the absolute best advantage with out regards for saftey? My second >question is : Are you willing to accept the increased (slight) risk of a >facial or eye injury to gain a marginal (very slight, maybe immeasurable) >advantage from increased vision? > >To me the risk of taking a stick through the cat's eye is enough I wont >allow my goalie son to use one. > >Rob I started out ousing a Cat Eye and then replaced it with an approved cage after it got all beat up. Vision wise I don't notice the difference. Hell, I used to fence. The mask we used in that was pretty much a stiff wire mesh in front of the whole face. If you can see an opponents weapon with that mask, you can see a black puck with pretty much any cage. Anyway, I noticed that in addition to the risk of getting a stick through the cat eye, I think it is structurally weaker than the Hecc approved cages. The cat eye (at least the one that came with my itech mask) had couple of big dents in it. But the other cage I got actually have a couple of areas of reinforced areas... like right in front of my nose. Tal Hey! Check out the web page for my lighting store! **or** Do you believe in Macintosh? Please check out: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lance Schueneman Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 17:27:42 -0500 -- [ From: Lance Schueneman * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Allright fellow puck stoppers, it's time for another survey... > > Pick your top five goaltenders of all time, any league, any where. Well, since I'm mostly a lurker, but I want to proclaim my favorite, since he brought a team from not making the IHL playoffs (pretty hard to do 19 teams, 16 make it) to 3rd place in the Western conference of the IHL, and earning the IHL MVP for the 1996-1997 season. Yes, it's none other than the Houston Aeros' very own Frederic Chabot. From the press release today: Chabot posted a 39-26-7 record with a 2.53 goals-against average (GAA) and . 920 saves percentage (SVS%), leading the league in games played (72), minutes (4,265), saves (2,063) and shutouts (seven) and ranking second in saves percentage and fifth in goals-against average. He led the Aeros to the second-biggest turnaround in the IHL this season with the league's fifth -best record at 44-30-8 compared to 1995-96's 29-45-8 mark. His 72 games played were three more than any other goaltender in the 77-year history of the IHL. Actually, I don't have any other favorites, I like to watch the goalies and see how they react to the play and try to learn from what they're doing. Rob Dobson (backup for the Aeros) is the best backup in the world, he played 10 games total last regular season, and when the games were televised, they would have him miked up and talk about the plays and what he saw happened during the games. It was pretty cool. Lance Schueneman GO AEROS! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: cats eye mask/favorite goalies ( a bit long) Date: 30 Apr 1997 17:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, Just a warning that comes thru my b-in-law who is a professional welder. No matter what mask you use, if there is a dent anywhere in the metal you are risking injury. I know this has little to do with the choice of mask (mine are cats-eye and I find the barred mask difficult to adjust to). Just make sure you inspect your cage after most games to endure the integrity. You can get compromised in a barred mask the same as a catseye if the integrity of the metal has been compromised by a bad hit. The difference being that you can't get a puck or stick cleanly through a barred mask, but you can dent the metal all the same. I got snapped in the nose in a compromised catseye but was told by the b-in-law that this could have happened in a barred mask (read Hasek type) depending on where the shot hit. The most projecting pints are the weakest. Let's just look after our eyes, otherwise we won't be playing. My guess wouyld be the barred style is more resilient but keep on checking for dents after games. They can't really be mended. Once metal is compromised it has done it's job as much as you can expect. I still play with the catseye but then I don't have guys trying to take my eyes out during a play! My biggest concern is the stick through the eye slot (which my b-in-law said he could redesign to prevent this). That design you will see on some of the newer masks where the catseye looks more 'squared'. There are 2 bars that run down aside of center and I can't think how a stick or puck would get through. Bottom line, the frame sees thinner. This may be an innovation of materials, I don't know. They seem lighter but may be of more resilient and stronger material. I will leave that source of info to those who are more familiar with new materials. As far as I know in BC, you can't use catseye except in pro, and some men's SR leagues. Anyone who has info on the new cage design, I would appreciate the input. The older masks seemed so heavy but I don't know what they are putting in them now. It mat be stronger and lighter. Topic 2: 5 favourite goalies: Patrick Roy (simply awesome) and Kirk Mclean (plays the best standup in the league-not homing here). oops, sorry, couldn't come up with 3 better goalies!. These two are the best in their respective styles. :) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: where to sit in NHL games Date: 30 Apr 1997 17:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, Am I the only one who likes to get NHL tix on the goalie blue line or right behind the goal (in order of preference). Most of my forward hcokey pals like to sit about red line, 30 rows up! How can you see what a goalie is doing in detail from there? I will be totally gratified if fellow goalies go to see the goalie of interest play and not the ant-like goings on between blue lines from Row 30 (at least in GM place). Call me ignorant but I love to see how goalies line up with the shot, anticipate shots, and (of course) what they are wearing in terms of gear. ;) Where do you al, prefer to sit in a game? Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: 5 Date: 30 Apr 1997 18:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Alphabetical Patrick Roy Terry Sawchuck Rogatien Vachon John Vanbiesbrouck Ian Young ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 21:14:12 -0400 At 03:17 AM 4/30/97 -0400, PelusoM@aol.com wrote: >Here is yet another question for my fellow targets: >Do you prefer the Cat-Eye style wire cage or the criss-cross style like >Beezer uses? I know the Cat eye is not approved for use in some >leagues...what are the differences in visibility and protection? I have >decided against the helmet/ cage combo (thanks to all who chipped in >opinions!) and am now wrestling with this next decision...a little input? > > I've always used a Cat-Eye cage and never had a problem (knock wood!). I did, however, see a game where a guy got the tip of his stick stuck in the eye of Ron Hextall's mask . He had a nice gash over his left eye, several stitches I believe. So I suppose I would worry more about sticks getting stuck than pucks. Regards, Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: catseye masks Date: 30 Apr 1997 18:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, I have yet to see a puck go through a catsyeye mask but I have seen plenty of sticks go through. A puck through a catseye is just incredible to me but that might be through inexperience. Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 21:26:38 -0400 Ok, here are mine: 1) Frank Brimsek (before my time, but, I've read the history books) 2) Jacques Plante (it took guts to put the mask on) 3) Gump Worsley (it took guts to *not* put the mask on) 4) Gerry Cheevers (Mr. Personality) 5) Patrick Roy (probably one of the best of all time) Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:31:19 -0400 (EDT) I prefer, the Cats-Eye over the cross wire cage, because i feel that the visiblity is greater, but I also think that the cross wire cage has more protection. I feel this way, because i have taken many shots to the cage with the cross wire cage and haven't had any problems, just last month, i was playing pick-up roller hockey in the park rink and we play with a roll of electrical tape called the scotch88 (i don't know if many of you have heard of it, but its better than some of those roller pucks) anyway i took a shot to the Cats-Eye cage that i was wearing and it bent the center vertical bar a slight amount. He the guy who shot the puck was over 16 and had more strength, I bet it would have bent it more. well there's my input, good luck on your decision. John #42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina D. LaLiberte" Subject: Fave Five Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:52:21 -0500 (EST) My favorites goalies: NHL: Chris Osgood and John Vanbiesbrouck NHL/IHL/Women: Erin Whitten and Manon Rheaume ... for helping me to explain that women really do play hockey! CHL: Brian Renfrew ... he's my hockey "brother" and inspired me to play in goal. Gina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:47:00 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 Jlove042@aol.com wrote: > ...we play with a roll of electrical > tape called the scotch88...and it bent the center vertical bar a slight > amount. Did a roll of tape really bend the bar? Seriously? What is that tape made out of? What was the cage made out of? Just my two cents: if you're not getting paid to play, wear the grill mask instead of the cat's eye. Why risk injury when you just do it for fun? If you're worried about looking pretty (I think the cat's eye cages are aesthetically better) so that you can impress members of the opposite sex (or same sex, if that's your thing), then you're in the wrong position anyway. (Unless of course your face is so gnarled that you need a mask to cover it!) Mike P.S. remember Bernie Parent's career was shortened, because of an eye injury (altho he didn't wear either of these mask types) ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Michael Barbato Subject: Favorite of all time Date: 30 Apr 1997 20:51:41 -0700 (PDT) 1> Ray "Razor" Leblanc, 92 Olymipic Goalie Just shows how far you can go with a little heart. 2> Kelly Hrudey (don't laugh) I grew up watching this guy twist and twrill and FLOP for the kings in the era of Gretsky. He opened my eyes to the world of goaltending. 3> Patrick Roy a complete competive animal and techincal genius 4> Cujo With a nickname like that, need I say more? 5> Guy Herbert just some guy who played for a small Div III school and found his way into the NHL and established him self as one of the best American goalies Honerable Mention Grant Fuhr, Beezer, Hasek, Richter, Terreri, Capt. Kirk GOALIE That I love to hate 1> Mike Veron Maybe it's because I grew watching the Kings. Maybe it is because I also am a Sharks fan (94-95 playoffs) 2> Mike Dunham I know he has yet to prove himself in the NHL, but I was throughly dissappointed with his performance in the 94 Oylimpic games 3> Jon Casey Thought he was the man when he brought the Norhtstars to Stanley Cup finals, but bad goals he gave up with Boston and St. Louis in playoffs have made me come to loathe this man 4> Darren Puppa this one I can't explain, maybe it's his last name? 5> Robb Stauber That rush poke check of his was pretty cool, unfortunatley it was the only thing he could do ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: where to sit in NHL games Date: 30 Apr 1997 23:39:42 -0400 ---------- > From: goalieootttaA > To: hockey-goalie > Subject: where to sit in NHL games > Date: April 30, 1997 8:37 PM > > Hi guys, > > Am I the only one who likes to get NHL tix on the goalie blue line or > right behind the goal (in order of preference). Most of my forward hcokey > pals like to sit about red line, 30 rows up! How can you see what a > goalie > is doing in detail from there? I will be totally gratified if fellow > goalies go to see the goalie of interest play and not the ant-like goings > on between blue lines from Row 30 (at least in GM place). Call me ignorant > but I love to see how goalies line > up with the shot, anticipate shots, and (of course) what they are wearing > in terms of gear. ;) Where do you al, prefer to sit in a game? Hey you :) where is the goalie blue line?? i like to sit behind the net.. great view.. that is why i like those new camera angles they are using on tsn and fox. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 30 Apr 1997 21:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Jeff I've played with both and prefer the cats-eye. The visibility is better, particularly when the puck is close where the eye might accidently focus on the regular cage. The cats-eye is also better for peripheral vision where the regular cage has more bars. As to safety, I have had no problems, nor seen any. Although I've seen a goalie cut using a regular cage when a stick came up under the cage. The opening is too small for a puck and stick blade. A stick without a butt end might, just might fit, but the player would have to be attempting a butt end to get you. Bars in cats-eye cages, particulrly those with a double center bar, are thicker than the regular cage and offer more protection from the puck. Keep in mind that the regular cage was designed for skaters, not goalies. The cats-eye was designed for goalies. I definitely recommend the cats-eye cage. Larry Smith At 03:17 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >Here is yet another question for my fellow targets: >Do you prefer the Cat-Eye style wire cage or the criss-cross style like >Beezer uses? I know the Cat eye is not approved for use in some >leagues...what are the differences in visibility and protection? I have >decided against the helmet/ cage combo (thanks to all who chipped in >opinions!) and am now wrestling with this next decision...a little input? > >Hiding a beer in my catch glove, >Jeff #29 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Favorites Date: 30 Apr 1997 21:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Adam In response to your question, yes. My experience in playing with lower level players is to lower my game. I try not to, but fall into it each time. Do it only if you can use the opportunity to work on a weak spot, such as stick handling and letting in goals doesn't count. Larry Smith > I also have a question to you all: do you think that training with a lower >level team than you usually do can "lower" your abilities (you get used to >slower shots etc...) ? > Thanks! > Adam #35 > >LET'S GO RANGERS! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 21:17:53 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:20:21 >To: tryonj@nationalposters.com >From: Leah Aldridge >Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... > >My top five are, in no particular order: > >Tretiak (best ever, reflexes and positioning) >Billy Smith (a champ who owned his crease) >Roy (a true money goalie) >Fuhr (just phenomenal) >Parent (a real talent) > >Larry Smith > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:44:29 -0400 (EDT) And Now for the top Five: 1. John Vanbiesbrouck 2. Mike Richter 3. Glenn Healy 4. Grant Fuhr 5. Eric Fichaud ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Goalie Pads Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Ok Guys and Gals, First things first: Chris Terreri used to wear a set of goalie pads named Mattingly Dynasty, when he played for the Devils. I heard that he owned this company, does anyone know if this is true? And are they still around. Also Tom Barrasso used to wear a set of pads that were all white with just an S on them? Who made those pads? And I have also seen CSS pads, are thes still around, and also the Aeroflex pads? Thanks John #42