From: Scott Battram Subject: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 01 May 1997 00:04:49 -0400 I was sitting in the local Pizza Hut, here in Woodstock, after working a BINGO for minor hockey... in order to raise funds for next season...(We go out for free pizza afterwards...) And what did I see... but a puck appearing to go right through the glove of Ron Tugnut, to end the game and series... If it snuck through the lacing.. this certainly did not look good for ITECH... even Don Cherry made mention of how the puck must have gone through the mitt... As well as Tugnuts reaction, of looking at the webbing of the glove, then shaking his head... makes me think it went clean through the webbing!!! That's too bad if it did... as Tugnut was all Vaughn before (far superior to the ITECH goal gear) Maybe you will see him back with ole reliable (VAUGHN) next year, or maybe I can pull some strings with Conrad Lackten, (the physiotherapist) and get him some BATTRAMS.. hehehe but the name couldn't be visible... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: re: favorite goalies Date: 01 May 1997 00:33:44 -0400 this is a toughie.. i will stick with modern goalies, since the only thing i know about guys like johnny bower, turk broda or glenn hall is what i've read in books or seen on clips. here are my pics: Patrick Roy Curtis Joseph Martin Brodeur Mike Richter Kirk Mclean - let's hope he gets back to the form he had a few years ago the fist goalie i ever remember seeing was Jiri Cirha.. liked his mask.. how many of you remember that one? :) Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: where to sit in NHL games Date: 01 May 1997 01:32:07, -0500 NhL or CHL or kid's leagues, I prefer to sit slightly above & to either side of the visiting goalie. Comes from having to sit behind a safety net at my son's first few roller seasons in order to count his SOG. I still tend to focus more on the goal area than what's going on in center ice. bobbie goaliemom, kid now 0-1-1 in 1st ice season, and proud of the CHL champion FtWorth FIRE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 01 May 1997 02:17:57 -0400 (EDT) OK here goes... (In no particular order): Dominic Hasek-What more can ya say? The guy's unorthodox, amusing, and keeps the puck outta the net to boot! I especially like it when he drops the stick and actually throws the puck outta the Sabres zone. Billy Smith-he was Hextall before Hextall was Hextall. Only Billy won the Stanley Cup a few times! Rogie Vachon-the little acrobat was awesome to behold...Five foot nothing and a buck-sixty of puck stopping fury! And that killer 70's haircut... Erin Whitten-just as good as Manon and better lookin' on top of it! Gentlemen DO prefer blondes, Erin! Bill Ranford-sturdy stand-up goalie played second fiddle most of his career...still one of the best, if only he played on an actual contender. Mike Vernon-regardless of his ability, he kicked the snot outta Patrick Roy in that great brawl vs Colarado! Those are some of my favorite deflectors of all time...Ooops, I forgot Denis Lemieux from the Charlestown Chiefs! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rosser, Tim A." Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 01 May 1997 06:31:00 -0500 1) Chris Osgood 2) Mike Richter 3) Billy Smith 4) Hasek 5) Mike Veron 6) Curtis Joseph 7) Vanbiesbrouck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Malicki Subject: RE: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 01 May 1997 00:53:35 -0400 Howdy all: I saw that goal many times, and looking at it, I don't think that it = went through the webbing. From what I saw, it hit the part of the glove = that connects the thumb with the palm, and that twisted the glove to a = sufficient degree to let it trickle past. However, I also looked at = what type of equip he was wearing, and though much along those lines. = It looked like the glove was made of rubber. Malicki ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x96malicki@wmich.edu Actual Pepperidge Farms Cake Box: "Serving size: 1/8 cake. Servings = per box: About 8" "Bug Go Squish Now!" - Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 12:05 AM I was sitting in the local Pizza Hut, here in Woodstock, after working a BINGO for minor hockey... in order to raise funds for next season...(We = go out for free pizza afterwards...) And what did I see... but a puck appearing to go right through the glove = of Ron Tugnut, to end the game and series... If it snuck through the lacing.. this certainly did not look good for ITECH... even Don Cherry made mention of how the puck must have gone through the mitt...=20 As well as Tugnuts reaction, of looking at the webbing of the glove, = then shaking his head... makes me think it went clean through the webbing!!! That's too bad if it did... as Tugnut was all Vaughn before (far = superior to the ITECH goal gear) Maybe you will see him back with ole reliable (VAUGHN) next year, or maybe I can pull some strings with Conrad = Lackten, (the physiotherapist) and get him some BATTRAMS.. hehehe but the name couldn't be visible... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 01 May 1997 13:58:18 -0400 At 12:04 AM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >And what did I see... but a puck appearing to go right through the glove of >Ron Tugnut, to end the game and series... Would never happen with a Battram Product! >As well as Tugnuts reaction, of looking at the webbing of the glove, then >shaking his head... makes me think it went clean through the webbing!!! I think he just missed it. I know from days of playinb baseball and softball when you miss the ones that catch the tip of the glove or miss the ones you should of caught, the first reaction is to check the pocket then look in disgust and you realize it was you not the equipment. If it was the equipment, Tugnutt would have taken off the glove and pointed to the whopping big hole. >That's too bad if it did... as Tugnut was all Vaughn before (far superior >to the ITECH goal gear) Maybe you will see him back with ole reliable >(VAUGHN) next year, or maybe I can pull some strings with Conrad Lackten, >(the physiotherapist) and get him some BATTRAMS.. hehehe but the name >couldn't be visible... With all this stuff you are moving to the internet, you should be able to afford the NHL franchise fee soon and then you can show your name!!! Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reburnc@biology.queensu.ca (Catharine J. Reburn) Subject: Re: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 01 May 1997 14:27:05 -0500 >I was sitting in the local Pizza Hut, here in Woodstock, after working a >BINGO for minor hockey... in order to raise funds for next season...(We go >out for free pizza afterwards...) > >And what did I see... but a puck appearing to go right through the glove of >Ron Tugnut, to end the game and series... I saw it and I think it just snapped the rim of the webbing back...kinda of like turning the pocket 'inside-out'...... I've had it happen to me in goal with an old leather 'Brown' trapper... and about a 100 times in baseball.. I was a catcher for years... using a regular glove... and once the leather broke in too much, some pitches would just turn the glove almost inside out maybe the leather was worked in too well... it probably helps the stick handling and picking the puck up off the ice... my two cents!! Cathy. > >If it snuck through the lacing.. this certainly did not look good for >ITECH... even Don Cherry made mention of how the puck must have gone >through the mitt... > >As well as Tugnuts reaction, of looking at the webbing of the glove, then >shaking his head... makes me think it went clean through the webbing!!! > >That's too bad if it did... as Tugnut was all Vaughn before (far superior >to the ITECH goal gear) Maybe you will see him back with ole reliable >(VAUGHN) next year, or maybe I can pull some strings with Conrad Lackten, >(the physiotherapist) and get him some BATTRAMS.. hehehe but the name >couldn't be visible... > > >Scott Battram >OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT >Woodstock, Ontario >CANADA > >TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 > >BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ++++++++++**************************^^*****************++++++++++++++++ Catharine J. Reburn Queen's University Biosciences Complex Kingston, Ontario Canada (613) 545-6000 x7537 ........................................................................... "Sure, goaltending is a normal job? How would you like it if at your job everytime you make a slight mistake, a red light flashed over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you?" -Jaques Plante ........................................................................... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalie30@juno.com (nick f van cleve) Subject: are there ANY Belfour fans anymore? Date: 01 May 1997 16:00:13 EDT excuse me but are we forgetting one of the best butterfly goalies in the league-- Eddie "the eagle" Belfour sorry but he is a big rolemodel for me... Nick Van Cleve goalie30@juno.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: where to sit in NHL games Date: 01 May 1997 17:48:34 -0400 (EDT) I like to sit where yer forward friends like to sit, about 30 rows up at center ice, facing the player benches. When I get the rare chance to go to an NHL game, I wanna enjoy the whole game. If I got a chance to see a goalie I REALLY REALLY liked I might sit behinfd the net to study him or whatever, but attending hockey games is so much fun, I'd rather just enjoy the vibe and study later. Maybe that's why I am so stinky!?! Plus, I usually get all beery and would forget any hints I picked up from the goalies out there anyways!! :-) Up in the nosebleed seats, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Jackson Subject: Top 5 Date: 01 May 1997 18:21:31 -0400 My top 5 would be: (sorry about the spellings) 1). Bernie Parent - poetry in motion 2). Dominic Hasek - not poetry but gets the job done 3). John "Beezer" Van Beisbrook - I like his calm an collected style 4). Grant Furh - like the Energizer bunny,he keeps going and going 5). Mitch Korn (Miami of Ohio University) - I'm not sure where he ever played, but he taught me a ton of stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 01 May 1997 18:39:33 -0400 At 01:58 PM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:04 AM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >>And what did I see... but a puck appearing to go right through the glove of >>Ron Tugnut, to end the game and series... > >Would never happen with a Battram Product! > >>As well as Tugnuts reaction, of looking at the webbing of the glove, then >>shaking his head... makes me think it went clean through the webbing!!! > >I think he just missed it. I know from days of playinb baseball and softball >when you miss the ones that catch the tip of the glove or miss the ones you >should of caught, the first reaction is to check the pocket then look in >disgust and you realize it was you not the equipment. If it was the >equipment, Tugnutt would have taken off the glove and pointed to the >whopping big hole. > >>That's too bad if it did... as Tugnut was all Vaughn before (far superior >>to the ITECH goal gear) Maybe you will see him back with ole reliable >>(VAUGHN) next year, or maybe I can pull some strings with Conrad Lackten, >>(the physiotherapist) and get him some BATTRAMS.. hehehe but the name >>couldn't be visible... > >With all this stuff you are moving to the internet, you should be able to >afford the NHL franchise fee soon and then you can show your name!!! > >Rob > Hahahah... well you got the joke anyhow!!! Yes, I know it wasnt the gloves fault... but it would have looked really bad for ITECH if it was, wouldnt have it? Imagine that in the Stanley Cup final.. hahahah But then again.... it could happen to anyones equipment! Nahh... not doing that well yet, so I can afford the fee... maybe now that we can do credit card transactions, I may be able to afford the latch on the door.. haha Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: where to sit in NHL games Date: 01 May 1997 16:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, Just kind of interesting. I got several posts on this question that weren't sent to the whole group (sorry about the booboo, I meant red goal line of course..) and in case you are wondering where most of the goalies in the building are sitting they are right behind the net (except we know where to find Jeff);). So now we know where to find each other at games. :) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 01 May 1997 21:26:29 -0400 At 08:07 PM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote: > >\_O_ >[]-D "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai > 8\8_ > http://members.tripod.com/~DerrickH/HotSeat.html >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I'd like to apologize to Scott, > >I was kinda in a hot mood today and it didn't help that I was watching the >game with a bunch of my friends who took every opportunity to rib me about >the embarrassing goal. > >After I read what I had wrote, I guess I was more than a little quick with >the words, so again, I apologize. > >I guess that, yeah, being that you do make the equipment (of which we all >hear the praises every other day) you would know better than I would that >it can happen. > >But like I said, more often than not, it doesn't happen. The company >should check before they send and the goalies themselves go over it. So, >instead of switching to a new glove (as I foolishly wrote), it should be >resewn. Which is what I had meant to say. > >Like I said, and as Scott astutely pointed out, I've resewn enough gloves >to notice. > >So, in closing, I again apologize to Scott and the rest of my fellow >netminders. Sorry, folks. > >Derrick "En Fuego, Fuegs" Henderson > derric@bgnet.bgsu.edu Hextall@Rocketmail.com > Niinimaa@Hotmail.com Hextall@Earthling.net > >************************************************************************** >* I play behind a mask, not hide behind it. - Guy Hebert * >************************************************************************** > > > > Hey... No need to apologize... its all in good fun... isnt that what the internet is all about??? Mass communication... with a little fun thrown in... I didnt take offence at all... you were just making a point, the same thing I was doing... only I was adding some humour... the same as Don Cherry was doing too... "Must have had a hole in that there glove of his..." Thats what looked bad for ITECH, with him saying that on TV.... (One of my employees pointed that out first thing Wednesday morning...) Actually... The Itech glove isnt too bad at all... and I never meant to imply that there was an actual hole in the lacing.... (actually there are about 40 holes per side... hahah) but not one large enough that a puck could get through! Dont worry about it!!! It was my poor attempt at trying to be funny! I will stick to lacing the gloves! hahah Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Helmets Date: 01 May 1997 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Maybe a little off topic, but has anyone else noticed the new helmets some major league baseball catchers are sporting nowadays? For example, the Angels Leyritz? The new gear bears a strong resemblance to hockey goalie helmets, including the paint jobs! Its got to be more protective and a lot more comfortable than the old mask over a batting helmet. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Cats-Eye vs Beezer style Date: 02 May 1997 01:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Mike, Seriously, the tape really bent the center vertical bar of my cats eye cage. It is an ordinary roll of tape, named the Scotch Super88, made by 3M. It is 1 centimeter in width and 7 and a half centimeters in diameter. An ice hockey puck is between 1.5 and 2 centimeters in width, and is 6.5 centimeters in diameter. The Scotch Super 88 is slightly less in weight, althougth i don't have the weights (felt the weight by hand). The Scotch Super 88 works great on most outdoor surfaces, so look for it in most hardware stores, if interested. John #42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: Did ITECH goalie gear LOOK REAL BAD LAST NIGHT!! Date: 02 May 1997 01:36:34 -0400 (EDT) I don't think we should blame the loss on Ron Tugnutt's Catch Glove, The loss should be blamed on I believe it was Yashin, who put the puck in his own net in an act to play the puck back. Didn't work to well. John #42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 02:07:24 -0400 ---------- > From: Jlove042@aol.com > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... > Date: April 30, 1997 10:44 PM > > And Now for the top Five: > > 1. John Vanbiesbrouck > 2. Mike Richter > 3. Glenn Healy > 4. Grant Fuhr > 5. Eric Fichaud Wow.. #3 and #5 are a bit surprising. Healy is basically a solid backup, and Fichaud is still quite unproven.. was he injured this year, or was Salo starting because he had won the #1 start job? I think that one thing this listmaking has really made clear though is that there are a lot of excellent goalies in the NHL. I don't think it's possible to simply rank them #1 to #5, because there are many who consistently can steal a game on a regular basis. Here is who I'd rate among the best (i am not rating these in any particular order) 1) Curtis Joseph 2) Grant Fuhr 3) Mike Richter 4) John Vanbiesbrouck 5) Patrick Roy 6) Sean Burke 7) Dominik Hasek 8) Martin Brodeur 9) Nikolai Khabiboulin Here are some guys who might deserve to be on that top list, but lost a bit of their shine this season: 1) Felix Potvin 2) Ed Belfour 3) Bill Ranford 4) Kirk Mclean 5) Darren Puppa Guys who are solid, good goaltenders: 1) Jeff Hackett 2) Guy Hebert 3) Chris Terreri 4) Stephane Fiset 5) Andre(?) Trefilov 6) Glen Healy 7) Jocelyn Thibault - but really shaky at times 8) Olaf Kolzig 9) Ken Wregget 10) Darcy Wakaluk 11) Andy Moog 12) Mike Vernon 13) Ron Tugnutt 14) Damian Rhodes Some good young goalies, who i think might develop into superstars, or at least solid NHL goalies: 1) Eric Fichaud 2) Jose Theodore 3) Trevor Kidd 4) Corey Hirsch 5) Byron Dafoe 6) Garth Snow 7) Marcel Cousineau 8) Jason Muzzatti 9) Chris Osgoode These guys.. are in the decline of their careers, or i just plain don't like 1) Ron Hextall 2) Jim Carrey - i know a lot of you probably like him, but i am going with Don Cherry on this one 3) Tom Barasso - has he retired yet? I hope I haven't missed anyone! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 08:12:06 +0100 Top 5 goalies ehh?? Here goes:- #1 Chris Terreri (I've always loved Terreri's style and dedication) #2 Ron Hextall (A guy who inspired me not to let anyone mess with me!!) #3 Clint Malarchuk (For that life-threatning incident with his juggular!!) #4 Martin Brodeur (A future hall-of-famer to mirror Roy, Cheevers, Sawchuk) #5 Jarmo Myllys (Ever since he was with the Sharks I've admired Jarmo) Other mentions:-Chris Lee (A field hockey goalie who plays for Neston, England), Beezer, Richter, Sylvain Rodrique (RHI), Peter Sidorkewicz (sp), kay Whitmore, Fuhr, Frank Pietrangelo, Puppa, Shtalenkov (a good like-a-like of actor Jeff Fahey!!) and for me Cheveldae...great guts and heart on this guy!! C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: Web Site Date: 02 May 1997 02:01:41 -0700 Ok, I have my Goalie site partially up, and would appreciate any input = you all have. I am trying to get links for some Companies (Manufacturers = only, not resellers) and some good books to list. Feel free to drop some = comments! Thanks! Http://www.nwlink.com/~goalie -Berg (goalie@nwlink.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abhoc@geocites.com Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 04:43:49 -0800 Favourites of all time: 1. Jacques Plante (not only for the mask, but, he also pioneered the goalie playing the puck and passing too!) 2. Glen Hall (Mr. Regurgiatate prior to the game!) 3. Patrick Roy (pressure player) 4. Bernie Parent (stand-up supreme and liked his first playing partner, Doug Favell, both started out together the Flyers)(the Gold Dust Twins they were called I believe.) 5. Richard Broduer (carried the Canucks on his back for years once to to the finals with a .500 team). In reference to all these goalies, they not only stopped pucks but could skate well (Mr. Reggie Lemelin's pet peeve about some goalers who cannot skate.) I noticed that one of the inputs had mentioned Corey Hirsch: well you should look at his major drawback, he does not skate well. I believe that any goalie, no matter in which league, will be consistent, if they can skate well. Many of the so called one year wonders have had poor skating skills - John Blue, Lachar, Racicot, to name a few. -- Kenn Hutchins abhoc@geocities.com Soit sage et prudent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 07:54:18 -0400 > In reference to all these goalies, they not only stopped pucks but >could skate well (Mr. Reggie Lemelin's pet peeve about some goalers who >cannot skate.) I noticed that one of the inputs had mentioned Corey >Hirsch: well you should look at his major drawback, he does not skate >well. I believe that any goalie, no matter in which league, will be >consistent, if they can skate well. Many of the so called one year >wonders have had poor skating skills - John Blue, Lachar, Racicot, to >name a few. > >-- >Kenn Hutchins >abhoc@geocities.com Soit sage et prudent > > > Skating will make anyone's game alot better... Many times I have been to practises, working with the goalies, and the coaches will not make the goalies do the skating drills... this is a huge mistake, the goalies should always do their skating and puckhandling drills along with the players. If you can skate well, you will have better balance, better endurance (from practises) and will be much more comfortable in the goal, and in games. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: are there ANY Belfour fans anymore? Date: 02 May 1997 12:26:17 -0400 (EDT) I am Eddie's BIGGEST fan!! He has a great style and I wish he was still in Chicago!!! I think that most people over look him due to his style of the butterfly since he is not considered "classic"....but I agree with you one hundred percent on your best goalie choice Goalie30!!! Take care, Jen aka- FourPlay30@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 12:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Top five goalies: 1) Eddie Belfour 2) Curtis Joseph 3) Dominc Hasek 4) Tony Espisito 5) Martin Broduer Of corse I think that there are alot of great goalies in the IHL/Minors, but I feel that these are the top. Take care, Jen Newberger aka- FourPlay30@AOL.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norris Douglas Todd Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 11:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Eh, what the heck... Favourites of all time (the Norris edition :-) 1. Kirk McLean - hopefully he'll get it turned around next season; those knee injuries can be a real pain sometimes (all the time, actually) 2. Bernie Parent - hey, I'm a standup goaltender, so of course my two favourites will be standups, and imho nobody covered the angles the way Bernie did. 3. Patrick Roy - yes, he ranked this high on my list even before he got traded to Colorado. I think the overtime playoff streak is what did it for me; he's a real gamer and with the playoffs on the line, I'm glad he's on my team (except for last spring, when they played Vancouver and he wasn't on my team :-) 4. Terry Sawchuk - the "King of Pain". I've adapted his "gorilla crouch" to my style of play, and it seems to work very well. High marks go for playing through every type of injury imaginable; he's also the only one on my top five that I've never (and will never; R.I.P. Terry) met. 5. Ron Hextall - the only goaltender I've seen (except possibly Wakaluk) who gets as emotional as I do when he plays - I hit my stick on the posts like Hexy; I've also been told that I fight like Hexy (hopefully they weren't thinking about the Potvin fight when they said it ;) I sure wish I could stickhandle like Hexy - I gave up only three goals in two hours of drop-in Wednesday, but one was a misplayed flip-pass that hit the forward's stick and was shot into an empty net. Guy that scored it's a friend of mine; it's the first goal he'd ever scored on me, too :-( Well, there's my list. Honourable mentions to Ian Young, Ken Wregget, Vladislav Tretiak, Ken Dryden, and Mike Palmateer. Talk to you later! Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "The review you had on 'Shark Sandwich'...which was merely a two word review - just said "shit sandwich." - Marty DiBergi, This is Spinal Tap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 02 May 1997 22:28:54 -0400 (EDT) to all of those who watched the oilers ( 80's) how about grant fuhr! that guy used to give me heart attacks! i still gotta mention kirk mclean even though his luck hasn't been too well the last year or so. ps..... has anybody else heard the rumour of sakic becoming a canuck? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Helmets Date: 02 May 1997 20:24:34 -0700 (PDT) At 10:14 AM 5/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Maybe a little off topic, but has anyone else noticed the new helmets some >>major league baseball catchers are sporting nowadays? For example, the >>Angels Leyritz? The new gear bears a strong resemblance to hockey goalie >>helmets, including the paint jobs! Its got to be more protective and a lot >>more comfortable than the old mask over a batting helmet. > >Charlie O'Brien started the whole thing last year, but MLB wouldn't >let him use it...now there are about 6 catchers that are using molded >masks. Leyritz, Zaun (of Florida) and O'Brien are three that spring to >mind. O'Brien actually modeled it after the goaltending mask. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Steve Langevin >Associate Technical Producer, Software Services > Do catchers with the goalie-style masks take them off when chasing foul balls or pop-ups, running to back up first, or making plays at the plate? Or, do they leave the helmet on? Just curious. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Cateye vs Beezer style Date: 03 May 1997 01:23:07 -0400 (EDT) WOW! Thanks for all th opinions on the topic of the "Cats-Eye" style wire goalie cage vs the criss-cross "Beezer-style" wire cage...I still can't decide what style to go with...in my experience (limited though it is) the Cat-Eye offers better vision, but these horror stories I keep reading here about sticks, pucks, arrows, and poison darts gouging out goalie eyeballs have me a bit worried! I look simply AWFUL in an eyepatch....I am using a criss cross cage now, and it bugs me a little...I play indoor roller hockey (with hard Jofa ISD puck) at the beginner level (for now-someday I will be CUJO...I hope!)...and I would love to play ice hockey eventually. The next helmet I buy will be a good quality kevlar/fibreglass type helmet...like a KOHO or Heaton ir Itech....so i wanna make the right decision and not hafta go changing it around-decisions, decisions! If anyone still has input on this subject I would love to hear it as I am still undecided! I am leaning towards the criss cross simply for safety reasons...if Hasek and the Beezer (not to mention all those high level college and Jr Goalies out there) use 'em, they can't be all that bad. Cheering for Buffalo, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: helmet painting Date: 03 May 1997 01:28:53 -0400 (EDT) I am going to be purchasing a good quality goalie mask/ helmet soon...does anyone out there know anything about getting it painted? I have a few ideas in mind....does anyone know where I could get this done (by a reputable, talented individual/ company of course). I have seen a few places online that offer this service but most charge more to paint the helmet than I will SPEND on the dang thing! Maybe someone on the list offers this service? Or knows someone who does? Where might I inquire here in my own area? Sorry about all these questions...but I figger us deflector shields gotta stick together and help each other out, am I right?!? Buying the first round for my goalie brothers and sisters, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Re: helmet painting Date: 03 May 1997 10:15:17 +0100 >I am going to be purchasing a good quality goalie mask/ helmet soon...does >anyone out there know anything about getting it painted? I have a few ideas >in mind....does anyone know where I could get this done (by a reputable, >talented individual/ company of course). I have seen a few places online that >offer this service but most charge more to paint the helmet than I will SPEND >on the dang thing! Maybe someone on the list offers this service? Or knows >someone who does? Where might I inquire here in my own area? Sorry about all >these questions...but I figger us deflector shields gotta stick together and >help each other out, am I right?!? > >Buying the first round for my goalie brothers and sisters, >Jeff #29 > Hi Jeff, I suggest that you get it painted by Pro-Masque, they do the best quality designs over anyone else and good prices aswell, get in touch with Kevin Burgess at:-krb@promasque.com he'll tell you everything you need to know. C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Bauer 97 Line-up-No more mail order service Date: 02 May 1997 16:50:42 -0700 Bauer 97 lineup equipment cannot be mail ordered anymore they must be bought in the store. You can still buy last years inventory but the new stuff you can't. I now have to get rip off by these local dealers. Have to get some friends to buy stuff for me in canada, I got it get someone in British Columbia to buy the skates and ship it down here this way i don't have to pay pst in ontario. Do I have to pay tax on gifts into U.S? Check out "Mostly hockey barrie" web site it's call "MLB hockey" now for the new bauer reactor 6 equipment. They also have the new 852 ccm goal pump all black shell. W/Kevelar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Favorite Goaltenders (longshort) Date: 02 May 1997 17:21:54 -0700 Well let's see now. I like Patrick roy- great stance and technical skating skills around the net,did you notice how all his skating moves are small moves and glide. Hate it when he drops when shooter comes down the wing and cutt across and starts diving.Sometime he does some stupid stuff like in the chicago series when he went paddle down on the blocker side , when he usually would not have done that. Felix Potvin-Have not seen much of him lately, but i love his new square-up stance he developed 1 1/2 ago around the all- star game of last, last year 96. His knees are closer together. He's standing up a little more this year too. Sometimes too much. Martin Brodeur- Great stance, nice and square. he's on the stand-up side of the quebec butterfly spectrum. Sometimes he stands up too much. Does that flasy move where the shooter comes down the left wing and he stands there and wait for it to come glove down low and swings it up in the air just a bit too much. Sometimes it goes 5-hole. Relies on position too much. How bout that pad stack to his blocker with the glove as the timer on the shooter, who just held the puck and shoot it in to the middle of the net with him out 10 feet. Teribble. Jocelyn Thibault-Looks good sometimes,but too many rebounds.Panices too many time. Too much diving.Should take away down low and 5 hole first. Need to stand a little more. Eric Fichaud- Plays like old potvin , stance too wide. panics too much. Great skater. I like almost all Quebec Goalies.Marc Denis-cross between brodeur and potvin.Biron,Giguere Hate)style,and watching)- Hrudey,Muzzati-stance looks whack,Healy,Kidd-Talk shit about Tabby Fitzpatrick-wife beater, Tearria,hextall,Ranford ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solar Bear #30 Subject: Re: 5 Date: 03 May 1997 08:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: <336920D3.285F@home.now> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199705010044.SAA15691@psych.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No particular order: Belfour Puppa Joseph Hasek Fuhr -- Solar Bear #30 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending. Our Motto:"Call as many penalties as you want, someone else has to sit." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: helmet painting Date: 03 May 1997 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT) It better me a good helmet because most companies do not insure protection when you have your helmet painted. Just puttin my 2 cents in, Deanna "the Cat" # 27 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Cateye vs Beezer style Date: 03 May 1997 11:46:26 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 11:51:25 >To: PelusoM@aol.com >From: Leah Aldridge >Subject: Re: Cateye vs Beezer style > >Jeff: > >Hasel and the Beezer may use the regular style cage, but the vast majority of goalies at the professional level use cats-eye. I think this says a lot more about the safety and vision of the cats-eye than does two who don't use it. The use of cats-eye is so overwhelming that two exceptions stand out. This is more two individuals staying with something they know, not daring to try anything new rather than a safety problem with cats-eye cages. Both these goalies are "old" and unwilling to change. > >Go for the cats-eye, just make sure to get one with a double bar vertically in the middle. > >Good luck. > >Larry Smith > > > >At 01:23 AM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >>WOW! Thanks for all th opinions on the topic of the "Cats-Eye" style wire >>goalie cage vs the criss-cross "Beezer-style" wire cage...I still can't >>decide what style to go with...in my experience (limited though it is) the >>Cat-Eye offers better vision, but these horror stories I keep reading here >>about sticks, pucks, arrows, and poison darts gouging out goalie eyeballs >>have me a bit worried! I look simply AWFUL in an eyepatch....I am using a >>criss cross cage now, and it bugs me a little...I play indoor roller hockey >>(with hard Jofa ISD puck) at the beginner level (for now-someday I will be >>CUJO...I hope!)...and I would love to play ice hockey eventually. The next >>helmet I buy will be a good quality kevlar/fibreglass type helmet...like a >>KOHO or Heaton ir Itech....so i wanna make the right decision and not hafta >>go changing it around-decisions, decisions! If anyone still has input on this >>subject I would love to hear it as I am still undecided! I am leaning towards >>the criss cross simply for safety reasons...if Hasek and the Beezer (not to >>mention all those high level college and Jr Goalies out there) use 'em, they >>can't be all that bad. >> >>Cheering for Buffalo, >>Jeff #29 >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: masks and regulations Date: 03 May 1997 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, Just out of interest, I wonder if Hasek uses that mask style because the regulations in the old Czeck league were different than ours. Hasek may have been obliged to use that style and is just used to it. Anybody know about the European regulations? (and I'm almost completely sure that I spelled Czeck wrong..) :) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: helmet painting Date: 03 May 1997 21:01:29 -0400 At 02:43 PM 5/3/97 -0400, SexyStangs@aol.com wrote: >It better me a good helmet because most companies do not insure protection >when you have your helmet painted. This is partially true. You can have your helmet painted, but, you *must* have the mask painted by a *factory certified* painter or the warranty will be void. Having the mask painter by anyone other than factory certified will also void the HECC/CSA certification of the helmet. Regards, Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: helmet painting Date: 03 May 1997 21:10:56 -0400 At 01:28 AM 5/3/97 -0400, PelusoM@aol.com wrote: >I am going to be purchasing a good quality goalie mask/ helmet soon...does >anyone out there know anything about getting it painted? I have a few ideas >in mind....does anyone know where I could get this done (by a reputable, >talented individual/ company of course). I have seen a few places online that >offer this service but most charge more to paint the helmet than I will SPEND >on the dang thing! Maybe someone on the list offers this service? Or knows >someone who does? Where might I inquire here in my own area? Sorry about all >these questions...but I figger us deflector shields gotta stick together and >help each other out, am I right?!? Hi Jeff, As Alan said, check out http://www.promasque.com. If you look in The Paint Shop, you can see samples of the artists at Pro-Masque. We have some of the finest painters in North America working with us. I can arrange to get a quote for you. You might also want to check out the Mask Styles page there for a description of our new VacPac mask. This mask is extremely light weight, yet ultra strong. Please check it out and let me know if you have any questions! Best Regards, Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: masks and regulations Date: 04 May 1997 13:58:46 -0400 (EDT) I remember reading an article about Hasek and he said that when he was younger the equipment he got was passed on to him. He was always used to the mask he has now, that he really never changed it. Just puttin my 2 cents in, Deanna "the Cat" # 27 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: masks and regulations Date: 04 May 1997 18:42:41 -0400 At 01:58 PM 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >I remember reading an article about Hasek and he said that when he was >younger the equipment he got was passed on to him. He was always used to the >mask he has now, that he really never changed it. > >Just puttin my 2 cents in, >Deanna "the Cat" ># 27 > > > In the Eurpean countries, equipment is very hard to come by new, and alot of the kids take what they can get, as soon as they come to Canada or the USA, they head right to the stores and some will even buy a couple pairs of skates so they will have new ones to grow into... Also the equipment is very high priced in Europe, we have a German distributor, and now a distributor in Finland... hopefully these people can help goalies get into some decent gear at reasonable prices... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" Subject: Re: Helmets Date: 05 May 1997 10:09:49 -0700 I was at The Goalie Shop in Calgary a couple of weeks ago and saw one of these masks in person. They are very similar, except that the baseball version has long vent slits running from front to back and the cage is a different design, more like a conventional catcher mask. The one I saw was all black, no cool designs or anything. :P -Don **************************************************************************** Don Otvos, Inside Sales| Madge Networks Inc Southwest Region | 2310 N First St 408-952-9354 | San Jose, CA 95131 408-955-0966 (FAX) | Life has changed forever since Stackable Livestock. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick McCullough Subject: Reactor 6 product review Date: 05 May 1997 10:57:17 -0700 Got new leg pads (Bauer Reactor 6) and catcher (ditto) last week and thought some of you might be interested in my evaluation. Wore my new leg pads and catcher twice now. Once at pick up Friday (lots of shots but nobody counts) and then in a league game Sunday night (faced 62 shots-saved 56). Here's my initial thoughts: The leg pads and catcher are both lighter than my previous gear (Brian's Alite leg pads and Vaughn 3500 catcher). I feel much quicker with my legs and catcher because of this lighter weight. I also feel like I don't tire as much or as quickly (I'm no spring chicken) and again I'm guessing the weight is doing that. The pads rotate much, much better than the Brians. My butterfly position is much improved. It's weird but I also feel more flexible in the R6. I can extend my legs further and quicker to either post. I'm not kidding when I say I've probably saved 3 or 4 more shots per game just due to the leg extension. The R6 gives up bigger rebounds than the Brians but I expected that. The rebounds are actually softer than I expected them to be and, so far, are entirely acceptable. I love the feel of them. I feel like I have more control. They feel good in stand up position, too. I've got lots of confidence when some one is in tight or bad angle and I'm standing up with legs together. That puck is going nowhere. The leg pads and glove are so flexible that they felt broken in the very first time I used them. It was wierd. I just put them on and played. I'm sure they'll get even better but they are great already. I love, I mean love the flared cuff on the catcher. It's bigger and the flare keeps pucks in front of me. I've made several 7 hole saves I would normally miss. I'm not sure if it is due to the light weight or the big cuff or the flare. I don't care. I love that glove. I like the individual finger holes and the three straps. I've got a small hand and I can tie it down real tight in this glove. I can't tell if the spiral t (in the catcher pocket) is superior or not but I'm not giving up rebounds off the glove (just the cuff) and I expected to because my Vaughn is shaped slightly differently. Everything that goes in, stays in. Finally, the graphics are absolutely stunning. I'm not kidding. This gear is art. I love just looking at it. Overall, I'm very pleased. I feel like I've moved from a log cabin into the Epcot Center! I can't wait for my next game. Dick McCullough, President MACRO Consulting, Inc. http://www.macroinc.com dick@macroinc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: roller hockey equipment? Date: 05 May 1997 19:19:04 -0400 Hey, I play roller hockey in a small league in Upper Michigan, mainly playing on the actual cement under the ice. I also play a lot of roller hockey out on the street. I had a pair of Koho Street Revolution GP350 leg pads, but the plastic shell the protected the foam from the cement was worn off on the cement, along with the straps. I'd like to go a step up. So, I'm looking for an affordable, let me stress affordable, pair of roller hockey leg pads that are going to last me a little bit longer than a season. It would be nice if they had protection for the back of the calfs and thighs, but I'm pretty resourceful and can make pads to add on myself if I have to. Any suggestions? I hear Bauer and Louisville make nice sets of pads. Thanks, Shannon Perkins ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "There is no such thing as painless goaltending. If they could get enough padding to assure against every type of bruise, you'd have to be swung into position with a small derrick." -Don Cherry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: roller hockey equipment? Date: 06 May 1997 00:34:38 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-05 21:51:20 EDT, you write: << So, I'm looking for an affordable, let me stress affordable, pair of roller hockey leg pads that are going to last me a little bit longer than a season. >> What exactly is affordable? Those $35.00 Mylec plastic and foam pads? Or a $300.00 decent quality entry level pad? FRANKLIN makes some inexpensive canvas type pads that sell here for about $165.00. Personally I get sick of buying junk and having to replace it, so I am saving up for some quality stuff...check out the BATTRAM web site, their most inexpensive pads are like $365.oo but are very cool! If you are playing on asphaly maybe the cheaper pads would be better...Cooper used to make the Eddie Belfour model street hockey goalie pads, they looked very cool and were cheap in price also.... Holding out for Battram pads, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: RE: roller hockey equipment? Date: 06 May 1997 01:05:56 -0700 ---------- Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 4:19 PM So, I'm looking for an affordable, let me stress affordable, pair of roller hockey leg pads = that are going to last me a little bit longer than a season. It would be nice = if they had protection for the back of the calfs and thighs, but I'm pretty resourceful and can make pads to add on myself if I have to. Any suggestions? I hear Bauer and Louisville make nice sets of pads. Ferland makes a nice set of pads under their "Sunfire" line. I am not = real sure of the price tho. Our local used equipment place had a pair of = almost new ones for about $230.00 I believe they have good side = protection and are made of cordura if I remember right. Anyhow, you = might want to check those out. -Berg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: re: roller hockey pads Date: 06 May 1997 12:19:56 -0400 I bought a set of those Cooper Belfour pads about 2 years ago for around $60 I think. I previously used the standard mylec pads, but they tended to wear out in about a season and a half. Thus far I've gotten 2 seasons out of the Coopers, but they are starting to look pretty ratty. I play on either asphalt tennis courts or an asphalt parking lot, so whatever pads I wear are going to get torn up pretty good. Because of this, I'm reluctant to spend big bucks on a really nice set of roller pads. If I was playing on sealed/painted concrete or wood, I might reconsider. When these Coopers wear out, I guess I'll be in your shoes, looking for new gear. Some things to note about the Coopers vs. Mylec pads: Coopers only had 3 straps, Mylec had 5. Toe strap on coopers was so short, I couldn't get it around my skate, because of this, the pads rotated a bunch! Between 3 straps that I could never get to stay tight enough, and no toe straps, the Mylecs stayed in place much better than the coopers. Coopers look much better than the mylecs, they actually look like a real ice hockey pad (with knee rolls and everything). Mylecs look like, well, mylecs! Both pads have way too little padding for me. When I play roller hockey, I wear my huge DBS knee pads under my socks. Coopers were $60-70 (I can't remember) mylecs were $35. Coopers were only 1 size, mylecs come in 3. Coopers were made of woven nylon on the back (not quite as thick as cordura) and vinyl on the front. They had some plastic parts around the skates that were rivited in place, most of those pieces have been cracked, or broken in some other way. Internal padding in the coopers is pretty basic, feels very similar to the mylec padding, both are woefully inadequate. Coopers allegedly has some coated kevlar mesh or some silly thing protecting the outer roll on the pad, to "protect it from abraision". On both pads, this stuff is long gone, and all that remains is a fuzzy little bunch of threads on either side of the roll. The vinyl actually held up quite well, and I haven't worn all the way through it yet. I almost ordered the Louisville pads, but went with coopers because the distributor got them in stock first. I don't know what I'll do next time, maybe I'll get some pads like the louisville or coopers and put some fiberglass patches on the parts that wear the most. If someone made a pad that would withstand the rigors of playing on asphalt but still offered enough protection and support, I'd be willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on it, as long as it would last for at least 3-5 seasons. I'd rather have pads with hard plastic parts for a couple of reasons: the plastic would wear rather than the rest of the pad. Depending on the design of the pad, the plastic wear areas could be renewable. Hard plastic slides more on asphalt and concrete than the other materials, giving a better feel, closer to ice hockey. Whenever I change from one to the other, I'm always adjusting for the different surfaces. On asphalt, the pad sticks like velcro whenever it goes down, there's no sliding at all. Oh well, just my $0.02 Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Mashhadian Subject: Re: roller hockey equipment? Date: 06 May 1997 11:05:02 -0700 If you're gonna be playing mainly on asphalt, I wouldn't go with an expensive (read above around $200.00) pad. It'll just get ripped up. But, if the asphalt thing is not too often, get something to protect your pads when you play on it. I went over to a local fabric store, got some burlap and just cut holes in it where my buckles are. Nothing fancy. But it covered my pads when I played outside. Tal Hey! Check out the web page for my lighting store! **or** Do you believe in Macintosh? Please check out: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: RE: roller hockey pads Date: 06 May 1997 11:08:33 -0700 >I'd rather have pads with hard plastic parts for a couple of reasons: >the plastic would wear rather than the rest of the pad. Depending on >the design of the pad, the plastic wear areas could be renewable. >Hard plastic slides more on asphalt and concrete than the other materials, >giving a better feel, closer to ice hockey. Whenever I change from one >to the other, I'm always adjusting for the different surfaces. On asphalt, >the pad sticks like velcro whenever it goes down, there's no sliding at >all. Well, playing on asphalt is pretty damaging to almost anything. But I think the Mylecs are probably the better choice for Asphalt. Admittedly they look really dumb, but the hard plastic will actually slide across the surface better than the coopers. And since you are gonna wreck em anyhow, why not just wreck the cheap ones? Then again, I got my coopers for $35 at Big 5..... Where did you get yours??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TC1893@aol.com Subject: leaving Date: 06 May 1997 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Would some one either remove my name or tell me how to get off of this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Resty L Aspuria Subject: RE: roller hockey pads Date: 06 May 1997 16:49:25 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 6 May 1997, Dan Scherck wrote: > >I'd rather have pads with hard plastic parts for a couple of reasons: > >the plastic would wear rather than the rest of the pad. Depending on > >the design of the pad, the plastic wear areas could be renewable. > >Hard plastic slides more on asphalt and concrete than the other materials, > >giving a better feel, closer to ice hockey. Whenever I change from one > >to the other, I'm always adjusting for the different surfaces. On asphalt, > >the pad sticks like velcro whenever it goes down, there's no sliding at > >all. > > Well, playing on asphalt is pretty damaging to almost anything. But I think the Mylecs are > probably the better choice for Asphalt. Admittedly they look really dumb, but the hard > plastic will actually slide across the surface better than the coopers. And since you are > gonna wreck em anyhow, why not just wreck the cheap ones? Then again, I got my > coopers for $35 at Big 5..... Where did you get yours??? > > > I remember seeing in a catalog about a year or so ago, a plastic shell that they sold to go over your pads. They had two versions, one was for roller and was more plastic and the other was for ice and more cloth. The idea was pretty cool. What it was your basic plastic shell that you laced your straps through to hold it on, either to protect your equipment from the street, or to "refurbish" your old ice pads so you could get alittle more use out of it. Unfortunately I forgot which company made the product. Maybe someone on the list will remember. Maybe you can get some low end ice pads, Heaton Pro 60Z 'ish, $400US and take some mylecs and use the plastic over your pads. That way you get the advantage of both, sorta. Adding $0.02 to the pot, Resty Aspuria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: three wheels Date: 06 May 1997 20:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Hi there all! I have seen goalies wearing three wheels per skate for inline hockey. I've also read that you should do it, and people on the list have suggested 3 wheels, as well. Why? What benefit do you get from it? Is it worth it? I like the idea of buying fewer wheels, but what else do you get out of using only three? Is there a preferred pattern to have, e.g.: front OO-O or O-OO ? So, if I get a 5-wheel chassis, do I use 4 wheels? What do you think, and what do you KNOW? Thanks Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalie30@juno.com (nick f van cleve) Subject: belfour rumors...?? Date: 06 May 1997 21:37:22 EDT hey, I heard a rumor that eddie belfour was going to get trded to philadelphia for ron hextall..... can anyone confirm this? nick goalie30@juno.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Re: belfour rumors...?? Date: 06 May 1997 23:20:36 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 6 May 1997, nick f van cleve wrote: > I heard a rumor that eddie belfour was going to get trded to philadelphia > for > ron hextall..... > can anyone confirm this? sorry, I can't confirm, but I really fail to see how either team would benefit. I guess the Flyers would possibly make out better in the deal, but it wqouldn't be any long-term fix. Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Foundation Comics Subject: extra gloves under trappers and blockers... Date: 06 May 1997 23:33:19 -0500 Hi all.. I have a SH Pro Franklin trapper for inline.. and noticed.. that where the fingers and palm go.. it's a pretty slick style of cardboard. Now.. this wouldn't normally bother me except that y'know.. hands sweat.. especially on a hot humid day. Sooooo.. I'd seen Vanbeisbrouck(sp?) take off his trapper I believe and he was wearing a thinner golf style glove under. I was wondering if this might help as my trapper and now my blocker have started to slide from my hands if that makes any sense. They fit around my wrist okay.. but it's like the whole glove part is falling off. Real annoying and it makes it hard to control things (the blocker isn't as bad but I figure since I'll probably have to buy the gloves as a pair I'd try it too). Anyone try this? And if so.. what type of glove do you use? I'm not sure if the soft of the glove will make the trapper slippery.. but it couldn't be any worse than it would be with all that moisture making it slick.. ick.. I spent more time trying to push it back onto my hand(it has a thumb strap as well as a pinky.. but the pinky is not only uncomfortable.. it would make control nigh impossible with closure on the glove. Hey.. if it works for Beezer.. maybe it'll help me out. Also, my bf and I haven't joined a league yet.. which is about the only way you can find a place/time to play hockey.. cops will chase you off every where else and driveways and streets are too gravelly and rough to try this.. so we use an old icky tennis court at night that has no lights. We came across this ball called a Fireball I believe.. if you hit it it'll flash.. it's pretty fun if you just want to get out the gear and blast off shots etc(no way we're using this as real practice.. but sometimes when you feel like taking out the gear and practice taking/blocking shots and stuff.. it can be a blast... bet the neighbors thought it was weird though) anyone else had to practice at weird times?(all through this my boyfriend'll tell me about growing up in Chicago on the ponds and lakes w/ the puck during a moonlit night.. sounds like fun.. maybe I should move.. ahhh.. someday :) Heck.. I wonder too.. for ice goalies... do you have problems with your gloves? I know a lot of different brands have different interiors for sizing and wonder what people do to compensate or if they feel their brands are pretty good for that.. I don't necessarily have small hands for a gal, but the gear still needs some "cling" or something.. so I think I'll try a glove maybe. I'm pretty much set on using this glove for inline. I don't want to get too fancy with inline since I'm pretty much fixed up for that.. want to focus more on ice gear in the future(if my comic book co. ever settles down and let's us finally stick to a plan.. ugh!) Thanks in advance, best of luck in the crease! Cynthia Visit the Foundation Comics Webpage, home of SECOND RATE HEROES, picked by the COMIC SHOP NEWS as an Overlooked Sizzler of the Month, http://www.metronet.com/~gronlund/foundation.html or write to us at: * Issue #2: ships May 14, '97. Foundation Comics * #1 still available and look P.O. Box 1143 * for us at the Chicago Comicon Grapevine, Tx 76099 * Back issues still available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heather Alexander Subject: Re: extra gloves under trappers and blockers... Date: 07 May 1997 00:44:14 -0500 Foundation Comics wrote: > > Hi all.. I have a SH Pro Franklin trapper for inline.. and noticed.. that > where the fingers and palm go.. it's a pretty slick style of cardboard. > Now.. this wouldn't normally bother me except that y'know.. hands sweat.. > especially on a hot humid day. Sooooo.. I'd seen Vanbeisbrouck(sp?) take > off his trapper I believe and he was wearing a thinner golf style glove > under. I was wondering if this might help as my trapper and now my blocker > have started to slide from my hands if that makes any sense. They fit > around my wrist okay.. but it's like the whole glove part is falling off. > Real annoying and it makes it hard to control things (the blocker isn't as > bad but I figure since I'll probably have to buy the gloves as a pair I'd > try it too). > > Anyone try this? And if so.. what type of glove do you use? I'm not sure > if the soft of the glove will make the trapper slippery.. but it couldn't be > any worse than it would be with all that moisture making it slick.. ick.. I > spent more time trying to push it back onto my hand(it has a thumb strap as > well as a pinky.. but the pinky is not only uncomfortable.. it would make > control nigh impossible with closure on the glove. Hey.. if it works for > Beezer.. maybe it'll help me out. > > Also, my bf and I haven't joined a league yet.. which is about the only way > you can find a place/time to play hockey.. cops will chase you off every > where else and driveways and streets are too gravelly and rough to try > this.. so we use an old icky tennis court at night that has no lights. We > came across this ball called a Fireball I believe.. if you hit it it'll > flash.. it's pretty fun if you just want to get out the gear and blast off > shots etc(no way we're using this as real practice.. but sometimes when you > feel like taking out the gear and practice taking/blocking shots and stuff.. > it can be a blast... bet the neighbors thought it was weird though) anyone > else had to practice at weird times?(all through this my boyfriend'll tell > me about growing up in Chicago on the ponds and lakes w/ the puck during a > moonlit night.. sounds like fun.. maybe I should move.. > > ahhh.. someday :) > > Heck.. I wonder too.. for ice goalies... do you have problems with your > gloves? I know a lot of different brands have different interiors for > sizing and wonder what people do to compensate or if they feel their brands > are pretty good for that.. I don't necessarily have small hands for a gal, > but the gear still needs some "cling" or something.. so I think I'll try a > glove maybe. I'm pretty much set on using this glove for inline. I don't > want to get too fancy with inline since I'm pretty much fixed up for that.. > want to focus more on ice gear in the future(if my comic book co. ever > settles down and let's us finally stick to a plan.. ugh!) > > Thanks in advance, best of luck in the crease! > > Cynthia > > Visit the Foundation Comics Webpage, > home of SECOND RATE HEROES, picked by the COMIC > SHOP NEWS as an Overlooked Sizzler of the Month, > http://www.metronet.com/~gronlund/foundation.html > or write to us at: * Issue #2: ships May 14, '97. > Foundation Comics * #1 still available and look > P.O. Box 1143 * for us at the Chicago Comicon > Grapevine, Tx 76099 * Back issues still available. The ones that I have seen Beezer use are Neuman's Tackified. They are extra sticky on the palm for a better grip. But different goalies use different gloves. Ryan Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: extra gloves under trappers and blockers... Date: 07 May 1997 00:56:31 PDT (Wed) Foundation Comics wrote: > > I'd seen Vanbeisbrouck(sp?) take > > off his trapper I believe and he was wearing a thinner golf style glove > > under. I was wondering if this might help Ryan Alexander replied: > The ones that I have seen Beezer use are Neuman's Tackified. They are > extra sticky on the palm for a better grip. But different goalies use > different gloves. Earlier this year I took the full brunt of a slapshot on my palm, at the base of my index finger. It bruised it pretty badly. I went into a baseball store and found a glove that's made for wearing under a fielder's glove with padding along the index finger and across the top of the palm. I wear it underneath my catch glove, and it works quite well. - Chuck Collins cpc@chkpt.COM P. S. Contrary to what Comics wrote, both golf and baseball batter's gloves are sold singly rather than in pairs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David DeCoster Subject: Re: roller hockey pads Date: 07 May 1997 06:29:08 -0400 (EDT) > Excerpts from mail: 6-May-97 Re: roller hockey equipment? Tal > Mashhadian@ricochet. (597*) > If you're gonna be playing mainly on asphalt, I wouldn't go with > an > expensive (read above around $200.00) pad. It'll just get ripped > up. > But, if the asphalt thing is not too often, get something to > protect your > pads when you play on it. Hey Scott why don't you come up with something like pad chaps? Davey D David L DeCoster Dept. 40G, Lanserver Development and RF/Systems Support We've done so much for so long with so little. Now we can do anything with nothing. Internal: decoster@rchland, decoster@endvm5 Internet: ddecoster@vnet.ibm.com TL 855-6630 / (607) 755-6630 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: three wheels Date: 07 May 1997 08:40:40, -0500 My goalieson Mike uses 3 wheels because otherwise the toelaces from his pads keep the 2nd wheel from rolling. A pro goalie told him that many pros take out the 2nd wheel for the same reason. bobbie, goaliemom of Mike "Filler" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: RE: extra gloves/roller hockey pads - do it yourself!! Date: 07 May 1997 09:59:21 -0400 Well, let's see here. First, the roler hockey pads. Having playe a lot of ball hockey I can tell you that asphalt and even the smooth concrete they have under the ice in a lot of rink wrecks havok on your pads. To get around this, I sewed a cloth shell to go around my pads. It's pretty easy. When I found that this was kind of not conducive to sliding, I sewed on some old polyethylene padding I had from a pair of hockey pads on the parts where I slide (the inside thighs of the pads). Presto! Instant ball hockey pads, and I didn't have to beat up my trusty Vaughn 1000's for it either (the Vaughns are still going today, too). As for the glove thing, I used to use a baseball type glove, but I haven't tried golf. I found there's no real problem with getting your hand in, but I felt that I lost some feel for the puck, so I stopped, een though my bloody hands smelled a helluva a lot better when I wore the extra glove. As for getting a tackified feel, there are several ways to achieve this. I'm pretty sure Neumann tack or stickum (the stuff NFL receivers spary on their gloves) can be obtained at any sporting goods store. Or, if you're cheap (like me), you can always stick some double sided tape or duct tape to your gloves. Note that this only works with the blocker, as the pressure from holding the goal stick eventually distributes all that nice duct tape adhesive all over your glove. Peel off the duct tape, and it'll leave a nice sticky film. I am hard pressed to explain why the hell you would need to tackify your catcher, as it presents a catching surface even larger than those huge outfielders gloves they use in baseball. Also, having used a Neumann tackified Brians for a bit, I'm pretty sure that you'd have to apply it like some sort of inch thick glue in order to get a puck to stick to your cheater. -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norris Douglas Todd Subject: Re: extra gloves under trappers and blockers... Date: 07 May 1997 08:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Foundation Comics wrote: > Anyone try this? And if so.. what type of glove do you use? I've been wearing a Franklin wide receiver glove (American football) underneath my trapper, and for some reason it helps me form a seal when I close the trapper around the puck. The gloves are a little sticky on the outside... Anyone else? Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "Who's gonna turn down a Junior Mint? It's chocolate, it's peppermint -- it's *delicious*!" - Kramer, _Seinfeld_, "The Junior Mints" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 15:30:36 +0100 Having got the chance last night to watch the second game in the PHI/BUF series (only a day old ..) I am surprised no-one has mentioned Garth Snow's extra shoulders... It looked to me like they stood up at least an inch or two above the normal top of the armour. Anyone know what model he uses ? I bought some new shorts in Toronto last November, and they have a similar arrangement on the outside of the shorts - a solid 1 inch extenstion. Now that's only saved me a couple of times in training, but I'm sure it'll come into its own now our season has started. Its almost like someone was listening to the thread we had a while back - whats next, webbing under the armpits :-) Comments ? Malcolm -- Malcolm (recent 1-1-0 sav%88.84 GAA 5.85 - career 22-20-1 85.87% 5.93) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results & Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick McCullough Subject: Re: belfour rumors...?? Date: 07 May 1997 08:16:43 -0700 >I heard a rumor that eddie belfour was going to get trded to philadelphia >for >ron hextall..... >can anyone confirm this? I don't know for sure but I would doubt this. First of all, Belfour is a free agent July 1. Lombardi would have to sign him before he could trade him. And Lombardi is on the hot seat here. The Sharks have gone downhill the last two years and Lombardi gets much of the blame. He gave up three players for Belfour. If Belfour goes now, Lombardi looks bad. And I doubt that many people think Hextall is equal value. Especially since the Flyers are playing Snow instead of Hexie. But who knows? The Sharks have made dumber moves. Dick McCullough Dick McCullough, President MACRO Consulting, Inc. http://www.macroinc.com dick@macroinc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: reburnc@biology.queensu.ca (Catharine J. Reburn) Subject: Re: extra gloves under trappers and blockers... Date: 07 May 1997 12:53:53 -0500 >Hi all.. I have a SH Pro Franklin trapper for inline.. and noticed.. that >where the fingers and palm go.. it's a pretty slick style of cardboard. >Now.. this wouldn't normally bother me except that y'know.. hands sweat.. >especially on a hot humid day. Sooooo.. I'd seen Vanbeisbrouck(sp?) take >off his trapper I believe and he was wearing a thinner golf style glove >under. I was wondering if this might help as my trapper and now my blocker >have started to slide from my hands if that makes any sense. They fit >around my wrist okay.. but it's like the whole glove part is falling off. >Real annoying and it makes it hard to control things (the blocker isn't as >bad but I figure since I'll probably have to buy the gloves as a pair I'd >try it too). > >Anyone try this? And if so.. what type of glove do you use? I'm not sure >if the soft of the glove will make the trapper slippery.. but it couldn't be >any worse than it would be with all that moisture making it slick.. ick.. I >spent more time trying to push it back onto my hand(it has a thumb strap as >well as a pinky.. but the pinky is not only uncomfortable.. it would make >control nigh impossible with closure on the glove. Hey.. if it works for >Beezer.. maybe it'll help me out. Hi Cynthia... I have worn a golf glove (a baseball glove would do as well but that's what I had on 'hand') under my trapper for yrs... (I also wore one under my catchers mitt in baseball)... for goaltending... I snipped the fingers and thumb off the glove so I still have finger-tip control... and more importantly... a feel for the puck/stick in the glove... I had started using it because my trapper was maybe a bit too large.. and when it got sweaty I felt I was losing some control ahhh.. someday :) > >Heck.. I wonder too.. for ice goalies... do you have problems with your >gloves? I know a lot of different brands have different interiors for >sizing and wonder what people do to compensate or if they feel their brands >are pretty good for that.. I don't necessarily have small hands for a gal, >but the gear still needs some "cling" or something.. I haven't found a trapper yet that didn't feel slippery...smooth leather interior... etc... the other problem I have is that with a smaller hand.. its harder to close the glove... as the fingers don't reach in as far and get as much torque/strength/power (T= distance x N) (ok I'm not a physicist but you get the idea... lever-fulcrum principle)...... as 'Bones' always said to spock ......".Dammit Jim !... I'm a Biologist... not a physicist" cathy. so I think I'll try a >glove maybe. I'm pretty much set on using this glove for inline. I don't >want to get too fancy with inline since I'm pretty much fixed up for that.. >want to focus more on ice gear in the future(if my comic book co. ever >settles down and let's us finally stick to a plan.. ugh!) > >Thanks in advance, best of luck in the crease! > >Cynthia > >Visit the Foundation Comics Webpage, >home of SECOND RATE HEROES, picked by the COMIC >SHOP NEWS as an Overlooked Sizzler of the Month, >http://www.metronet.com/~gronlund/foundation.html >or write to us at: * Issue #2: ships May 14, '97. >Foundation Comics * #1 still available and look >P.O. Box 1143 * for us at the Chicago Comicon >Grapevine, Tx 76099 * Back issues still available. ++++++++++**************************^^*****************++++++++++++++++++++ Catharine J. Reburn Queen's University 'Give me ambiguity or give me something else' Biosciences Complex Kingston, Ontario Canada (613) 545-6000 x7537 ........................................................................... "Sure, goaltending is a normal job? How would you like it if at your job everytime you make a slight mistake, a red light flashed over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you?" -Jaques Plante ........................................................................... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: are goalies truly born? Date: 07 May 1997 09:50:53 -0400 We always say that goalies are born not made, but i was a bit surprised when i heard yesterday that Steve Shields (who has been filling in for Hasek on the Sabres) expressed that his childhood idols were Messier and Gretzky. Moreover, he said that he likes goaltending, but he would much rather be a forward. Knd of surprised me, since I always thought that most goalies would not do anything else. That doesn't mean playing out once a while is treason, but you get the idea. I thought it was surprising that a goalie of Shields' caliber is not obsessed with the position. Regards Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 12:09:25 -0400 Malcolm Preen wrote: > Having got the chance last night to watch the second game in the > PHI/BUF > series (only a day old ..) I am surprised no-one has mentioned Garth > > Snow's extra shoulders... > > It looked to me like they stood up at least an inch or two above the > > normal top of the armour. Anyone know what model he uses ? During one telecast they compared Snow's body armour with that of a lacrosse goalier and discovered a pretty good match. Does make him look like RoboCop eh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Wehlage Subject: Re: extra gloves under trappers and blockers... Date: 07 May 1997 15:02:19 -0400 I came across the Harbingers Wrap-Around Glove from my aggressive skating (you know those dumb fools, like me, who jump on rails and jump over stuff). They are about 24.99(us) and give you a little extra palm padding and give you some awesome grip on your trapper. They wrap around ur wrist like a towel. They work really well... catch (no pun intended) ya all= LaterZ, Blake** =BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA= =B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0=BA=B0 Peace -Blake Wehlage - Love Unity -http://members.iglou.com/jwilk- Respect Powered By: Some Freaky Black VooDoo Box =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 14:24:44, -0500 In an between periods interview, Snow said he went to his dad's hardware store & borrowed some roofing shingles & added them to the shoulder area. He claims to have worn them all year, and looking at an early-in-the-year hockeycard, you can see the bigger pads. bobbie, goaliemom --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- I am surprised no-one has mentioned Garth Snow's extra shoulders... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fcouto@epsilon.com Subject: Need Help with Heaton Catcher Date: 07 May 1997 15:30:19 EST I have a Heaton Catcher and just inside where your wrist would rest was a pad which Velcroed on. Well i lost it and cant seem to find a pro shop that carriers it would someone know the number of Heaton so i can call them to get a replacement pad any help would be appreciated thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fcouto@epsilon.com Subject: Thanks for the help found what i needed for my Heaton Glove Date: 07 May 1997 17:26:51 EST Thanks to all who responded the information was helpful i will be ordering the piece tomorrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: belfour rumors...?? Date: 07 May 1997 17:26:31 -0400 (EDT) I havent heard anything about that yet...in fact, I heard thru the grapevine that he was going to Detroit!!! Let me know Take care, Jen Newberger aka- Fourplay30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 19:39:47 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-07 10:46:41 EDT, you write: << Having got the chance last night to watch the second game in the PHI/BUF series (only a day old ..) I am surprised no-one has mentioned Garth Snow's extra shoulders... It looked to me like they stood up at least an inch or two above the normal top of the armour. Anyone know what model he uses ? I bought some new shorts in Toronto last November, and they have a similar arrangement on the outside of the shorts - a solid 1 inch extenstion. Now that's only saved me a couple of times in training, but I'm sure it'll come into its own now our season has started. >> The NHL rules are a bit vague when it comes to the size regulations for upper body goalie pads...no hard and fast size limits, so Snowman can get away with whatever he wants to here I guess. As a Sabre fan I wish they'd throw the book at him but, whatever! Patrick Roy also looks to be wearing some pretty big upper body pads, but nowhere near as jumbo sized as Snow's. As for those 1" hip pads on some brands of goalie pants, I thought their main purpose was to soften your landing up a bit when doing a double pad stack, not really to deflect the puck. Maybe I am wrong? Buying bigger shoulder pads to be like the Snowman, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: Need Help with Heaton Catcher Date: 07 May 1997 21:44:40 -0400 At 03:30 PM 5/7/97 EST, fcouto@epsilon.com wrote: > I have a Heaton Catcher and just inside where your wrist would rest > was a pad which Velcroed on. Well i lost it and cant seem to find a > pro shop that carriers it would someone know the number of Heaton so i > can call them to get a replacement pad any help would be appreciated > thanks. Try contacting Don Simmons (http://www.donsimmons.com), that's where I got my glove. Or give Sports, Etc. in Arlington, MA a call. They might have them, or be able to tell you where you can get one. Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 22:24:25 -0400 (EDT) i'm glad someone finally mentioned it! in all reallity it doesn't really provide that big of an advantage, but boy he sure looks ( and plays like ) a goon. scott battram---- i know you read this list! where is my molson xxx buddy! go edmonton--- it's our game! zac lampson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Need Help with Heaton Catcher Date: 07 May 1997 22:26:39 -0400 At 09:44 PM 5/7/97 -0400, you wrote: > >At 03:30 PM 5/7/97 EST, fcouto@epsilon.com wrote: >> I have a Heaton Catcher and just inside where your wrist would rest >> was a pad which Velcroed on. Well i lost it and cant seem to find a >> pro shop that carriers it would someone know the number of Heaton so i >> can call them to get a replacement pad any help would be appreciated >> thanks. > > >Try contacting Don Simmons (http://www.donsimmons.com), that's where I got >my glove. Or give Sports, Etc. in Arlington, MA a call. They might have >them, or be able to tell you where you can get one. > >Kevin > >"Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks >http://www.promasque.com >603-878-0806 > > > > We actually make the same pads too... I sent Larry Smith 2, hopefully at least one will make it there via regular mail! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 22:33:01 -0400 At 10:24 PM 5/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >i'm glad someone finally mentioned it! > > in all reallity it doesn't really provide that big of an advantage, > but boy he sure looks ( and plays like ) a goon. > > >scott battram---- i know you read this list! where is my molson xxx buddy! > go edmonton--- it's our game! > > > zac lampson > > > Hmmm... Molson XXX from me??? hahhaa you know I dont drink beer Zac.... And thats the truth too!! Bet you guys never met a goalie who doesnt drink? hahah Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 20:03:37 -0700 (PDT) At 03:30 PM 5/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >Having got the chance last night to watch the second game in the PHI/BUF >series (only a day old ..) I am surprised no-one has mentioned Garth >Snow's extra shoulders... > >It looked to me like they stood up at least an inch or two above the >normal top of the armour. Anyone know what model he uses ? > >Its almost like someone was listening to the thread we had a while back >- whats next, webbing under the armpits :-) > Don't know what model Snow uses, but it sure looks big and bulky. Doesn't seem to affect his ability to move though. Anyone look at the ITech body pads listed on their homepage? They've got these really weird-looking wings sticking up above the shoulders. I've thought Snow must be wearing ITechs for that reason. Who needs webbing under the armpits? Just wear extra extra extra large jerseys like Patrick Roy. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 23:20:29 -0400 At 08:03 PM 5/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:30 PM 5/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Having got the chance last night to watch the second game in the PHI/BUF >>series (only a day old ..) I am surprised no-one has mentioned Garth >>Snow's extra shoulders... >> >>It looked to me like they stood up at least an inch or two above the >>normal top of the armour. Anyone know what model he uses ? >> > >>Its almost like someone was listening to the thread we had a while back >>- whats next, webbing under the armpits :-) >> >Don't know what model Snow uses, but it sure looks big and bulky. Doesn't >seem to affect his ability to move though. > >Anyone look at the ITech body pads listed on their homepage? They've got >these really weird-looking wings sticking up above the shoulders. I've >thought Snow must be wearing ITechs for that reason. > >Who needs webbing under the armpits? Just wear extra extra extra large >jerseys like Patrick Roy. > >Larry Smith > > > > Its a Cooper I believe.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 07 May 1997 08:50:07 -0700 He's wearing Vaughn Vision chest protector. The big shoulder pads are extenstion that he made. Patrick Roy have the heaton pro90z chest protector w/a royification to the top shoulder-back part. I think it's a Armadillio back pad. But anyways did you know about 98% of Quebec goalies wear heaton pro90z's, CCM Skates, heaton or KOHO/Lefevre pads, and KOHO or Heaton sticks, Tackala Pants, Mask by Heaton/Lefevre/KOHO or just plain Karhu. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 08 May 1997 00:03:09 -0400 At 08:50 AM 5/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >He's wearing Vaughn Vision chest protector. The big shoulder pads are >extenstion that he made. > >Patrick Roy have the heaton pro90z chest protector w/a royification to >the top shoulder-back part. I think it's a Armadillio back pad. > >But anyways did you know about 98% of Quebec goalies wear heaton >pro90z's, CCM Skates, heaton or KOHO/Lefevre pads, and KOHO or Heaton >sticks, Tackala Pants, Mask by Heaton/Lefevre/KOHO or just plain Karhu. > > > I though Snow had the Cooper... and Shields had the Vaughn... unless I have them mixed up.... could be... I havent had much time to follow the hockey this season! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 08 May 1997 00:04:55 -0400 >But anyways did you know about 98% of Quebec goalies wear heaton >pro90z's, CCM Skates, heaton or KOHO/Lefevre pads, and KOHO or Heaton >sticks, Tackala Pants, Mask by Heaton/Lefevre/KOHO or just plain Karhu. > > Cool, since our pad is identical to the PRO-90z we must be doing something right!! Or at leasr picked a good one to copy... and improve! > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: belfour rumors...?? Date: 08 May 1997 00:23:19 -0400 (EDT) hey! don't count kelly out! lots of goalies go through ho-hum years and come back standing on their heads. i really haven't heard anything about eddie , but what about sakic? i've heard that he may be headed home. zac scott--- where's my beer--- the longer you wait the warmer it gets! and you know how bad that xxx is when it's warm! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: What about Barasso? Date: 08 May 1997 00:52:47 -0700 Anyone know what the dirt on Barasso is? I had heard rumors he was upset = with Pittsburgh, and with Lalime's performance, and Barasso's seeming to = vanish off the Earth, I just don't know what to think! The Penz home = page was no help either.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 00:54:38 -0700 Hey! I got a question for all of you. (I apologize if it's a dumb one.) I always see goalies pointing down ice when their guys are coming to get a puck behind the net. What are they pointing at? Incoming enemy players? Where the puck should be sent? Where fellow teammates are for passes? (BTW I'm not talking about holding up the glove for the icing call...) Just something that has been buggin me... -Berg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Poor Myllys Date: 08 May 1997 13:18:17 +0200 M was hurt for the Swe-Fin game and look what happened (I don't blame Sulander though), although I don't root for Fin,Myllys is one of my favorite goalies (even though I forgot to mention him in my top goalies list) and if the other person (don't recall who) is wondering what he is doing I can tell you that he recently got the golden helmet for being the MVP of the Swedish elite series (voted on by the players). I would also like to add Tretiak to my favorite goalie list, more for his excellent instuctions book than anything else though. Believe it or not I do have a question as well, are there companies that paint street hockey masks? (Actually floorball goalie masks but they are essentially streethockey masks, more plastic than fiberglass). There now I got that off my chest :) Adam #35 LET'S GO RANGERS [RICHTER]! GO TEAM USA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Re:pointing Date: 08 May 1997 13:27:47 +0200 Aren't they pointing at incoming enemy players and maybe even shouting "look out" or "coming up behind ya". If I'm not sure why am I answering? Don't know . . . Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 07:37:41 -0400 At 12:54 AM 5/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hey! I got a question for all of you. (I apologize if it's a dumb one.) I always see goalies pointing > down ice when their guys are coming to get a puck behind the net. What are they pointing at? > Incoming enemy players? Where the puck should be sent? Where fellow teammates are for > passes? (BTW I'm not talking about holding up the glove for the icing call...) > >Just something that has been buggin me... > >-Berg > > > > The goalie is usually indicating where they want the D to bring the puck out, basically whatever wing is open... be careful though, as this may be a tactic to get the defensive zone to shift sides, if the goalie points to the right side, his team may know to carry the puck up the left side, in hopes to get the attackers to shift for a little bit to allow for a pass. The goalie may also be letting the players know of a line change where there will be open ice, or an open teammate. Generally they will be pointing and also talking letting the player know whats to be done. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 07:53:45 -0400 At 12:54 AM 5/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hey! I got a question for all of you. (I apologize if it's a dumb one.) I always see goalies pointing > down ice when their guys are coming to get a puck behind the net. What are they pointing at? > Incoming enemy players? Where the puck should be sent? Where fellow teammates are for > passes? (BTW I'm not talking about holding up the glove for the icing call...) > >Just something that has been buggin me... > >-Berg > Hey, I point my stick in he direction the puck is going in so they know where the puck is. I also point to open pass options and in-coming players from the other team. One of my defensemen and I have a set-up where I tap the post on the side that is clear to skate up or pass up. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "There is no such thing as painless goaltending. If they could get enough padding to assure against every type of bruise, you'd have to be swung into position with a small derrick." -Don Cherry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (A J MacLean) Subject: Goalie fighters!! Date: 08 May 1997 14:04:50 +0100 Hi All, OK, who's the best fighter amongst goalies around the leagues?? Here's my top 10 (plus others) Starting in order:- #1 Corey Schwab #2 Felix Potvin #3 Steve Shields #4 Garth Snow #5 Jason Muzzatti #6 Ed Belfour #7 Ron Hextall #8 John Vanbiesbrouck #9 Clint Malarchuk #10 Sean Burke other mentions go out to:- Grant Fuhr Jarmo Myllys Petr Briza Myself!!!!!! (Alan MacLean) Jon Casey Andy Moog C-Ya...Alan p.s. Did anyone see Burke square up to the Czech goalie (name evades me) during the mass brawl during yesterday's World championship game?? I wish the Czech goalie had staryed something because, #1 It would've been great to see two goalie go at it in the WC's and #2 Burke would've flatened him!!! ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 12:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I show the players where the puck is headed as well. Also, I do it so that my team knows that I am not going out of the net to retrieve the puck...they might have opposing team members too close where if I leave the net and we lose the puck, it would be an easy goal. Take care, jen Newberger aka- FourPlay30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FourPlay30@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 08 May 1997 12:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Okay here are mine: 1) Eddie Belfour (Of course) 2) Ron Hextall 3) Mike Vernon (I dont like him, but after the Roy fight...he really blew him out) 4) Felix Potvin 5) John Vanbiesbrouck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 13:26:03 -0400 At 12:29 PM 5/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I show the players where the puck is headed as well. Also, I do it so that my >team knows that I am not going out of the net to retrieve the puck...they >might have opposing team members too close where if I leave the net and we >lose the puck, it would be an easy goal. > >Take care, >jen Newberger > >aka- FourPlay30 > > > I just thought of something.... The goalie is actually pointing to the cute girls up in row 5! Just making sure the other guys see them... hahahah Ever notice how all the super good looking girls end up behind the players bench??? I swear these girls get directed to these seats by TV production staff... I have a satellite dish, and see alot of games, it it never fails... alot of the girls behind the bench are really good looking... It must be for close ups of the coach... plus, the guys are usually decent looking too but I am not watching them!... maybe they are hired by the TV companies... who knows... but I bet thats what the goalie is pointing at! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 15:21:35, -0500 I have a photo, taken at a CHL game last year, and the GUYS in the front iceside rows are holding up lifesize pictures of bathing beauties. Our team was warned before the game, so didnt' bother looking. Won that game though! bobbie, who if she had a scanner could let you see the pic. --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- Scott Wrote: The goalie is actually pointing to the cute girls up in row 5! Just making sure the other guys see them... hahahah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 16:45:39 -0400 At 01:50 PM 5/8/97 EST, you wrote: >> I just thought of something.... >> >> The goalie is actually pointing to the cute girls up in row 5! Just making >> sure the other guys see them... hahahah >> >> Ever notice how all the super good looking girls end up behind the players >> bench??? I swear these girls get directed to these seats by TV production >> staff... I have a satellite dish, and see alot of games, it it never >> fails... alot of the girls behind the bench are really good looking... It >> must be for close ups of the coach... plus, the guys are usually decent >> looking too but I am not watching them!... maybe they are hired by the TV >> companies... who knows... but I bet thats what the goalie is pointing at! >> > >Scott, > >Go back to sleep, you're dreaming again. *HAHHAHHAH* Given the cost >of the seats at that level, the girls could probably afford a >makeover on their way to the rink. > >JT #31 > > Hehehe... I dont know... I never have had to pay to see a game... so, I wouldnt have a clue as to ticket prices! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: Snow's body armour... Date: 08 May 1997 21:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Actually, there was something on the news about his shoulder pads. Both he and Hexy said that the pads were legal, Snow just has very big shoulders. Just puttin my 2 cents in, Deanna "the Cat" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 08 May 1997 16:22:33 -0700 A J MacLean wrote: > > Hi All, > > OK, who's the best fighter amongst goalies around the leagues?? > Best #1 Sean Burke #2 Curtis Joseph #3 Darcy Wakaluk #4 Ed Belfour #5 Ron Hextall #6 Tom Barrasso #7 Mike Vernon #8 Glenn Healy #9 Martin Brodeur #10 Grant Fuhr (Best wrestling technique) Worst #1 Patrick Roy (Kinda like Rob Ray- he rushes right in to get beat up) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 08 May 1997 21:39:39 -0700 (PDT) At 12:54 AM 5/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hey! I got a question for all of you. (I apologize if it's a dumb one.) I always see goalies pointing > down ice when their guys are coming to get a puck behind the net. What are they pointing at? > Incoming enemy players? Where the puck should be sent? Where fellow teammates are for > passes? (BTW I'm not talking about holding up the glove for the icing call...) > >Just something that has been buggin me... > >-Berg > Berg I can't speak for the others, but if I'm playing and have players coming back towards me to get the puck I point the direction they should go. Generally, their backs are to the remaining players and I'm trying to help out by pointing out the best path. As a goalie, I have the entire ice in front of me and can see opposition players coming up behind my teammate coming back for the puck. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Netmind000@aol.com Subject: Re: Pointing Date: 09 May 1997 01:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Scott, Don't you mean "the Cute women" in the fifth row??? Irene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites of all time... Date: 08 May 1997 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-30 19:23:32 EDT, Lance Schuenman wrote: > Well, since I'm mostly a lurker, but I want to proclaim my favorite, since > he brought a team from not making the IHL playoffs (pretty hard to do 19 > teams, 16 make it) to 3rd place in the Western conference of the IHL, and > earning the IHL MVP for the 1996-1997 season. Yes, it's none other than the > Houston Aeros' very own Frederic Chabot. > > Most excellent! Another Aeros fan on the list!!! Freddie's by FAR my favorite, followed by (in no particular order): 2. THE BEEZER John Vanbiesbrouck - perfect positioning all the time 3. Martin Brodeur 4. Patrick Roy (although with the Av's in front of him his job can't incredibly difficult!!) 5. Andy Moog 6. Mike Richter (the guy has legs the size of oil drums; he runs laps around the arena concourse on game day just to loosen up! Also the best in the NHL with splits saves) By the way, Matt, nice job swiping my Pepperidge Farms quote!!! :-) -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.33 and falling... Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 09 May 1997 08:47:40 +0100 >Best >#1 Sean Burke >#2 Curtis Joseph >#3 Darcy Wakaluk >#4 Ed Belfour >#5 Ron Hextall >#6 Tom Barrasso >#7 Mike Vernon >#8 Glenn Healy >#9 Martin Brodeur >#10 Grant Fuhr (Best wrestling technique) > >Worst >#1 Patrick Roy (Kinda like Rob Ray- he rushes right in to get beat up) > Where on EARTH did you get Healy from??!! and Brodeur aswell??!! The most I've seen Brodeur do is in the Devils' Stanley cup winning season when in game one I believe, Brodeur was being held by a Detroit player in his crease and proceeded to turn round and slash his legs from under him and them throw a couple of little rabbit punches...nothing spectacular!!!! As for Healy, I've never seen him get rough around the crease, unless he did so back in the 80's??!! C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Another Goalie Coaching Article Posted Date: 09 May 1997 22:47:48 -0400 Hello All, I've posted another goalie coaching article written by Fred Quistgard of Quistgard Goalie Training. This one entitled "How to Ruin Your Goalie in Ten Easy Lessons". Fred is presenting some great ideas and reminders for coaches. The article can be found in The Goalie Factory at http://www.promasque.com/keepinf.htm. BTW, I also added the schedule for Fred's upcoming goalie training clinics. That can be found at http://www.promasque.com/quist.htm. I hope you like the info. Best Regards, Kevin "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 10 May 1997 03:18:21 -0400 (EDT) In no particular order: STEVE SHIELDS-BUFFALO- on this team even the goalies gotta be tuff as nails and willing to slug it out. Beat Snow's butt in playoffs. DARCY WAKALUK-PHOENIX(?)- Mean and chippy. EDDIE BELFOUR-SAN JOSE- I think the incessant chanting of his name has made him a psychopath. MIKE VERNON-DETROIT-Made the list simply because he pounded that weasel Patrick Roy so badly...gotta luv it! SEAN BURKE-CAROLINA-Cheapshot goalie equivalent of Dale Hunter, but big enoughto get away with it. "ROGAINE" RONNIE HEXTALL-PHILADELPHIA- The original and still the best. Now I know why he hates sitting on the bench so much...the TV cameramen love to zoom in on his dinner-plate sized baldspot! Dropping the gloves, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Goalies fighting?? Date: 10 May 1997 18:23:28 +0100 OK, new question... Who here on the list has seen what goalies fight and with who?? Here's my list:- I've seen Steve Shields take on Garth Snow, Corey Schwab pummel Tommy Soderstrom, Mike Vernon destroy Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall out of his depth against Felix Potvin, Guy Hebert wrestle with Jason Muzzatti. Any others?? C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick McCullough Subject: Re: Goalies fighting?? Date: 10 May 1997 12:47:45 -0700 At 6:23 PM +0100 5/10/97, Alan MacLean wrote: >OK, new question... > > >Who here on the list has seen what goalies fight and with who?? > >Here's my list:- > >I've seen Steve Shields take on Garth Snow, Corey Schwab pummel Tommy >Soderstrom, Mike Vernon destroy Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall out of his depth >against Felix Potvin, Guy Hebert wrestle with Jason Muzzatti. Point of information. I believe, although St. Patrick got cut and looked worse, he landed more punches and, in fact, won that bout with Vernon. Newspaper accounts back me up on this point. FYI. Dick McCullough, President MACRO Consulting, Inc. http://www.macroinc.com dick@macroinc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Goalies fighting?? Date: 10 May 1997 20:49:07 +0100 I've also seen Troy Gamble take on Danny Lorenz, just recently downloaded it!! C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Really late bio Date: 11 May 1997 12:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Hey hey hey - Well, after about 2 weeks away from my email-box, I came back, and discovered that everyone was posting bio's. So, here's mine: James E. McElfresh #15 ( #15 is my Dad's #, if you're wondering...) 17 yrs., possibly the youngest on the list (I think) DOB: 1-14-80 Houston, Texas Started skating on inlines when I was 12, just kinda puttering around on the sidewalks and stuff. Once I got OK with the skating I picked up a hockey stick & discovered that I had one helluva natural wrist shot, and pretty good eye-hand coordination for dribbling & stuff. First tried goal at age 14, bought a set of cheapo Louisville street hockey goalie stuff & let my friends fire away. That lasted until I finally went to a local rink's men's roller-hockey drop-in. They I got on that rink's youth team (their coach saw me playat the drop-in & said he needed a goalie). I stuck with that team until it broke up in August '96. To tell the truth, the team itself stank. But, it was the best training I could have ever had. Stopping all those shots really helped me become a better goaltender. I made the switch to ice in spring '96; one of the roller hockey guys needed a goalie for his ice team. We ended up winning the championship that season & got 2nd the next season. I've been playing adult hockey the past couple seasons. My team won the league championship this past season (season GAA: about 2.0) ... unfortunately right now my (new) team is 0-2 this season and my GAA is (get this!!!) 7.00. We lost our 1st game 7-2 with an empty netter, and this week we got killed 8-1. This is because the league bosses said, "Okay, we'll scatter the winning team to the four ends of the earth." And I got put on the LEAST defensively powerful team this season 'cuz I led the league in goals-against (NOT trying to brag) last season. Oh well. :-) Anyway, right now is the time in my life when I should be looking for colleges (I'm a high school Junior right now) and I really want to play NCAA hockey. Problem is, it's really hard to get scouted for hockey when you live in Texas, as there are NO schools w/ hockey teams here. Oh, well...I'll find a way :-) Thanx for reading, I know it was long... -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.33 and falling... Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman --- BTW, those of you waiting for that Web page update, maybe I'll get it done during the summer...not much time right now with FINALS and all... - James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalies fighting?? Date: 11 May 1997 15:05:45 -0400 (EDT) > I've also seen Troy Gamble take on Danny Lorenz, just recently downloaded it!! > > I saw that game when it happened; I believe that was the time Troy (of the Houston Aeros -IHL) received the 5 minute major & automatic game misconduct for head-butting Lorenz (of the Cincinatti Cyclones?) during their post-fight grapple...Troy also fought with the blocker on; he nailed Lorenz with it a couple times in the nose/eye area. Good fight, Lorenz definitely got beat. Both got 5 min. for fighting; Gamble got an additional 5 min. and game misc. for the head-butt, so the backup goalie Rob Dopson had to come in for the Aeros, but Lorenz was allowed to stay in the nets for the Cyclones. Where did you download the fight from? I didn't get it on tape & I want to see Lorenz get beat again... G O A E R O S !!!!!!!!!! -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.33 and falling... Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 11 May 1997 21:21:16 -0700 > Where on EARTH did you get Healy from??!! and Brodeur aswell??!! The most > I've seen Brodeur do is in the Devils' Stanley cup winning season when in > game one I believe, Brodeur was being held by a Detroit player in his crease > and proceeded to turn round and slash his legs from under him and them throw > a couple of little rabbit punches...nothing spectacular!!!! > > As for Healy, I've never seen him get rough around the crease, unless he did > so back in the 80's??!! > Healy is a ferocious goalie and can be very mean when he wants to. During the series when the Isles bumped the then Stanley Cup champ penguins, he not only played great goal but also got into some mean crease altercations. How can you be a goalie in front of Vukota and not mix it up? Also, have you ever seen an ESPN 2 hockey promo? He broke his stick across the back of one player's leg...crumpling him to the ice. Brodeur too; Remember the Flyer series in '95. He backflipped Gilbert Dionne after sweeping his feet out from under him and then proceeded to beat him up. He will get in anybody's face. Goalie fights are too rare and aren't the best gauge for toughness (i.e. No Potvin, No Shields, No Snow, certainly no Schwab). I've been ejected during games and playoffs for fighting, but I always start with a forward. These guys do the same. I said "tough", and these guys back down from no one. TS Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Goalies fighting?? Date: 11 May 1997 21:44:12 -0700 HOCKEY6688@aol.com wrote: > > > I've also seen Troy Gamble take on Danny Lorenz, just recently downloaded > it!! Although he won that fight, Troy had a bad habit of fighting with his blocker on. However, he did get pummeled at Las Vegas by Clint Malarchuck while trying to fight with his blocker on. Troy didn't get enough of a beating the first time, so five minutes later, he tries to fight Clint again. This time, he trips and falls backward...Malarchuck acts like he's going to hit him, then laughs and skates away. Fellow goalies...If you want to fight each other, take off your masks and gloves first. When you hit another goalie with your blocker, it only makes him/her more determined to kick your rear. (Remember what happened to Snow when he tried it on Shields?) TS Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 12 May 1997 03:37:07 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-11 22:28:15 EDT, you write: << Goalie fights are too rare and aren't the best gauge for toughness (i.e. No Potvin, No Shields, No Snow, certainly no Schwab). I've been ejected during games and playoffs for fighting, but I always start with a forward. >> I dunno what level of play you participate at, but NHL goalies have a lot to think about besides being little tuff guys....I agree that Healy is a ruffian when need be, but please don't put down Potvin and Shields just because they've fought other goalies...they are intense competitors who not only stop the puck but stick up for their teams and team-mates! Dropping the mitts, Jeff #29 PS What league do you "enforce" in, anyway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Where are they now?? Date: 12 May 1997 10:34:13 +0100 Living in England it's hard to keep track of NHL players when they are sent down to the minors etc, bearing that in mind please could some of you help me find out where the following ex-NHLers are, thank's:- Jim Hrivnak (Last I saw of Jim he was with St. Louis) Steph Beaureguard (former Winnipeg great) Vincent Riendeau Daniel Berthiaume(sp!!) Darrin Madeley Jacques Cloutier Eldden "Pokey" Reddick Frank Pietrangelo (I loved this guy) Kay Whitmore Robb Stauber Peter Ing Mike Liut (I think he's retired hasn't he??) These are some of the goalies I grew up watching in the NHL and I miss them a lot Especially the likes of Pietrangelo and Whitmore. I remember when these two plus Peter Sidorkewicz were all tandeming together in Hartford, that was a great system they had going. Stauber and his poke-checks!! Cloutier diving all over the show. C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 12 May 1997 10:34:11 +0100 >Healy is a ferocious goalie and can be very mean when he wants to. >During the series when the Isles bumped the then Stanley Cup champ >penguins, he not only played great goal but also got into some mean >crease altercations. How can you be a goalie in front of Vukota and not >mix it up? Also, have you ever seen an ESPN 2 hockey promo? He broke >his stick across the back of one player's leg...crumpling him to the >ice. > >Brodeur too; Remember the Flyer series in '95. He backflipped Gilbert >Dionne after sweeping his feet out from under him and then proceeded to >beat him up. He will get in anybody's face. Goalie fights are too rare >and aren't the best gauge for toughness (i.e. No Potvin, No Shields, No >Snow, certainly no Schwab). I've been ejected during games and playoffs >for fighting, but I always start with a forward. These guys do the >same. I said "tough", and these guys back down from no one. >TS Wilkey #1 > I agree with you entirely on that matter and in which case you might aswell add Jon Casey to your list, because for his size and weight he is very tough. Remember when he wrestled Bob Errey to the ice during a huge Blues vs Red Wings brawl and held him there untill the officials had cleared it all up?? He basically just sat on him, I'm surprised that Osgood or Vernie (whoever was in the other net) didn't take exception to this!! but then I think they had their hands full with what was going on down their end!! C-Ya...Alan p.s. I watched Brodeur in game 4 of the finals against the Rangers the other day and he was really getting Rangers' faces that entered the crease!! I liked his couple of "HUGE" subtle slashes on (I believe it was Langkow's) ankles!!! ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Re: Where are they now? Date: 12 May 1997 12:27:51 +0200 Living in Sweden I don't have much of a chance of following who goes down to the minors and such (except through Goalies World where they rank almost everybody) but I do know that last season Kay Whitmore signed up with Sodertalje (a few dots missing over the o and the a) of the Swedish Elite league. I think he got quite a fat (for Swedish standards anyway) contract but wasn't much of a success. He was expected to do great things but Sodertalje isn't e real strong team. In the middle of the season he had become the back up, I'm not sure what happened in the end (Sodertalje just managed to stay in the Elite league) and I don't know if he will stay there or not. Hope this helps. Adam #35 P.S. Somebody mentioned Brodeur slashing a Ranger by the name of Langkow, as a Ranger fans (yippee on the way to the conference finals) I can't help myself but have to point out that there is no such Ranger (doesn't he play in T.B.?) Do you mean Langdon? Sorry if I'm being picky :) LET'S GO RANGERS! LET'S GO RICHTER! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Brown Subject: Re: Goalies fighting?? Date: 12 May 1997 09:10:00 EDT DREAM ON DICK. Brownie @ BAUER ---------- At 6:23 PM +0100 5/10/97, Alan MacLean wrote: >OK, new question... > > >Who here on the list has seen what goalies fight and with who?? > >Here's my list:- > >I've seen Steve Shields take on Garth Snow, Corey Schwab pummel Tommy >Soderstrom, Mike Vernon destroy Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall out of his depth >against Felix Potvin, Guy Hebert wrestle with Jason Muzzatti. Point of information. I believe, although St. Patrick got cut and looked worse, he landed more punches and, in fact, won that bout with Vernon. Newspaper accounts back me up on this point. FYI. Dick McCullough, President MACRO Consulting, Inc. http://www.macroinc.com dick@macroinc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: fighting Date: 12 May 1997 09:47:09 +0000 Hi all, I'm wondering if we couldn't just lay this whole fighting thing to rest. I know it's fun discussing who kicked the *&#$ out of who but . . . As long as I'm spouting, the "top five list" thing is getting a bit old as well. On to some other stuff. A while ago I read something about a glove "snap". It seemed to me that this was a sort of flashy way to make a glove save by snapping the glove up from a ready postion and then swinging it up over the head in grand style. Do folks practice this style of save, or does it come from the speed at which we try to respond to a shot - overcompensating and getting a bit too much momentum in the glove. Thoughts, theories? Respectfully yours, -Kevin Coca-Cola Space Science Center http://www.ccssc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: glove snap Date: 12 May 1997 10:32:52 -0400 (EDT) The glove snap is TECHNIQUE. It is the proper, FASTEST way to move the glove to make a save. Yes, sometimes it is unneccesary, and it looks flashy. BUT the movement also (you have to use your immagination here) it allowes the puck to "roll" into the pocket, instead of say, hitting the palm of your hand and bouncing out (this was an old problem of mine). It is definitley something to practice. Its not something you use ALL of the time (like stacking the pads), but it does come in handy. Hope this helps, Rick "Tigger" Johnson #30 3-1-0, 2.8 GAA "T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll come bouncing by." "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound" "The goaltender is the quarterback of a hockey team." John Vanbiesbrouck Rick Johnson "See the Puck, L/L Box 249 Stop the Puck, University of Vermont Simple." Burlington, VT 05405 - Hockey-Goalie list member (802) 656-6187 "You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!" -Hockey-Goalie list member Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html <-- On Mon, 12 May 1997, Kevin C. Scott wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if we couldn't just lay this whole fighting thing to rest. > I know it's fun discussing who kicked the *&#$ out of who but . . . > As long as I'm spouting, the "top five list" thing is getting a bit old > as well. > > On to some other stuff. > > A while ago I read something about a glove "snap". It seemed to me that > this was a sort of flashy way to make a glove save by snapping the glove > up from a ready postion and then swinging it up over the head in grand > style. Do folks practice this style of save, or does it come from the > speed at which we try to respond to a shot - overcompensating and > getting a bit too much momentum in the glove. > > Thoughts, theories? > > Respectfully yours, > -Kevin > > Coca-Cola Space Science Center > http://www.ccssc.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sherry Miracle Subject: Why be a goalie??? Date: 12 May 1997 10:40:07 -0700 I'm a goalie mom who is trying to get a better perspective on just what it is about being a goalie that attracts such a distinct group of individuals to play this position. Is it the position? or is it the person? Are there common personality traits or mental traits that draw a person to be goalie? Or maybe you just have to be a little off in the head to want to stand in front of speeding projectiles and take the abuse. Or is it the love of attention and glory you get when it's just you and the shooter and you stuff them on a breakaway? Another thing I have noticed is the comraderie between goalies is like no other in any sport I have ever experienced. Goalies seem to hang out together, understand each other, have their own strange superstitions, kind of like a secret club that no one else quite understands. What is it exactly that makes you love the position so much? Sherry Miracle Goalie Mom Extraordinaire Southernmost Hockey Club http://members.aol.com/KWhockey/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: snap save Date: 12 May 1997 12:32:01 +0000 The sanp save is more often that not just a flashy move. If you're having trouble with the puckpopping outof your glove, it's more likely that you're not following the puck all the way into your trapper. When you take your eyes off of it, that's when it tends to pop out. I saw a goalie this year actually get a goal scored by trying to do the big fancy arm movement - the puck fell out of his glove and on to an opponent's stick - GOAL! The sanp save just adds a lot of motion that doesn't need to be there and can get you into trouble, as this goalie discovered. Keep your trapper below your head and always follow the puck all the way into your glove. Then hold it, and if necessary, draw it into your body to keep it protected. If the puck is still bouncing out, you may want to consider whether or not the trapper is the right size/model for you. I had these ideas proven to me last summer by John Weidenbach, an excellent goalie who used to play for Michigan State. He was ehlping me work on my glove hand and sure enough, whenI didn't watch the puck all the way in, it popped out. When I kept my eye on it at all times, I caught it and held on every time. Patty #33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Holler Subject: Goalie - Mentality? Date: 12 May 1997 11:28:46 -0400 Further to a recent post about what makes up a goalie's mentality, I have had another observation. My son (a goalie - aged 9) races competitive high-speed go karts during the summer. I have spoken to a number of racing drivers and read about others who have enjoyed hockey as well. I have been completely surprised at how many were netminders in their hockey days. It seems that they like the team sport; however, they still wish to have a direct input on the outcome of the game (much like racing). Has it just been a coincidence, or is there some relationship between an interest in auto racing and netminders? I'd be interested to hear if this theory has any merit or not. Thanks! Steve -- mailto:sholler@planeteer.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaslekween@aol.com Subject: Re: Where are they now?? Date: 12 May 1997 12:00:04 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-12 05:42:04 EDT, you write: << Steph Beaureguard (former Winnipeg great) >> Stephane plays for the Quebec Rafales in the IHL. They are in the playoffs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: why I'm a goalie Date: 12 May 1997 12:13:05 +0000 I'm actually a rather poor netminder. I have very little coordination and, as of yet, the intensity of a great goalie. That said I'm a goalie for three reasons. 1) It is challenging, both physically and mentally. 2) It's a team sport - most of the time. 3) It's a rush to get all geared up and take shots. Being a tad eccentric doesn't hurt, though I think you'll find most goalies have a unique personality - some quiet, some rather odd. For me, the main point is the challenge. Before taking up hockey three years ago (I'm 25 now) I'd never participated in any organized (or unorganized) sports. I guess you might say I should have picked something a bit less demanding but oh well. It's too fun to quit now. -Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: fighting Date: 12 May 1997 09:46:40 -0700 >A while ago I read something about a glove "snap". It seemed to me that >this was a sort of flashy way to make a glove save by snapping the glove >up from a ready postion and then swinging it up over the head in grand >style. Do folks practice this style of save, or does it come from the >speed at which we try to respond to a shot - overcompensating and >getting a bit too much momentum in the glove. > >Thoughts, theories? That's a lot like the saves that Mike Vernon makes any time a puck *touches* his glove...:P And I remember Jon Casey doing one of those against the Blackhaws (way back when the stars were still in Minnesota, and Casey was good enough to be the starter), and when he got it over his head, it dropped out of his glove. I think it's rare that you'd have that much momentum going on a glove save, and that some goalies think it's a bit flashy... Steve Langevin Associate Technical Producer, Software Services CNET: The Computer Network http://www.download.com/ 150 Chestnut St. http://www.shareware.com/ San Francisco, CA 94111 http://www.search.com/ (415) 395-7800 (general) http://www.news.com/ (415) 395-7805 ext. 1225 (direct) http://www.cnet.com/ (415) 395-7820 (fax) http://www.activex.com/ stevel@cnet.com http://www.gamecenter.com/ CNET. CNET run. Run Net, Run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 12 May 1997 13:15:02 -0700 > I agree with you entirely on that matter and in which case you might aswell > add Jon Casey to your list, because for his size and weight he is very > tough. Remember when he wrestled Bob Errey to the ice during a huge Blues vs > Red Wings brawl and held him there untill the officials had cleared it all > up?? He basically just sat on him, I'm surprised that Osgood or Vernie > (whoever was in the other net) didn't take exception to this!! but then I > think they had their hands full with what was going on down their end!! > > C-Ya...Alan > > p.s. I watched Brodeur in game 4 of the finals against the Rangers the other > day and he was really getting Rangers' faces that entered the crease!! I > liked his couple of "HUGE" subtle slashes on (I believe it was Langkow's) > ankles!! Good point and great selection, I forgot about Jon. I *hate* the rangers (being from Jersey) but you gotta hand it to Richter though. BTW, thanks for giving Terreri his due. He is my favorite goalie and (almost) saved Team USA a bronze. TS Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TS Wilkey Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 12 May 1997 13:06:43 -0700 > I dunno what level of play you participate at, but NHL goalies have a lot to > think about besides being little tuff guys....I agree that Healy is a ruffian > when need be, but please don't put down Potvin and Shields just because > they've fought other goalies...they are intense competitors who not only > stop the puck but stick up for their teams and team-mates! > > Dropping the mitts, > Jeff #29 > > PS What league do you "enforce" in, anyway? I'm not putting down Potvin, and certainly not Shields (I loved that guy at UM), they're tough guys and better goalies than I. My point *was not* that goalies who fight other goalies are not tough. Every goalie knows the code when they see the other goalie skating towards them. It is admirable to stick up for your teammates and it must be done. You seem to agree with me on this point. BTW, I never said I was an "enforcer"; Like other goalies, I don't tolerate the "extra" poke from a forward and I'll slash them for it. I'm probably no different from you or most goalies on this list. I've been kicked out of games and thrashed a couple of times for it too. Additionally, I am not trying to posture as a tough guy. Off the ice I'm a different person. As for the leagues...I play drop-ins while at school and Adult leagues during the summer. I've played with and against players from the WHL, QMJHL, USJHL, WCHA, WPHL and WHA. I also work as an intern for an IHL team. TS Wilkey #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Cardamone Subject: Will Sharks get a clue? Date: 12 May 1997 14:58:44 -0700 With the draft coming up does anyone think that the sharks will make a good move this year. I live near San Jose but my team is Detroit. Its kinda stupid for them to get all of these old guys if there just going to be leaving next year. I would'nt blame Hrudy, Nolan, Kozlov, or Belfor for leaving!!!!!!! Is there any hope for this team. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: Where are they now?? Date: 12 May 1997 13:51:28 -0400 --------------EA24DB325A54D47BACF824C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kaslekween@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-05-12 05:42:04 EDT, you write: > > << Steph Beaureguard (former Winnipeg great) > >> > Stephane plays for the Quebec Rafales in the IHL. They are in the > playoffs. But only for another day! ;-) Ron --------------EA24DB325A54D47BACF824C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kaslekween@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 97-05-12 05:42:04 EDT, you write:

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Stephane plays for the Quebec Rafales in the IHL. They are in the playoffs.
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Ron --------------EA24DB325A54D47BACF824C5-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalies fighting?? Date: 12 May 1997 21:05:33 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-12 09:22:22 EDT, you write: << Point of information. I believe, although St. Patrick got cut and looked worse, he landed more punches and, in fact, won that bout with Vernon. Newspaper accounts back me up on this point. FYI. >> No way! I don't care what your "newspaper accounts" say, Patty got destroyed in that li'l fracas...I saw the fight on TV and Vernon smoked Roy, I don't think #33 landed two punches in the whole thing... Giggling at Patrick's "punching", Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalie fighters!! Date: 12 May 1997 21:10:37 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-12 15:25:58 EDT, you write: << 'm not putting down Potvin, and certainly not Shields (I loved that guy at UM), they're tough guys and better goalies than I. My point *was not* that goalies who fight other goalies are not tough. Every goalie knows the code when they see the other goalie skating towards them. It is admirable to stick up for your teammates and it must be done. You seem to agree with me on this point. BTW, I never said I was an "enforcer"; Like other goalies, I don't tolerate the "extra" poke from a forward and I'll slash them for it. I'm probably no different from you or most goalies on this list. I've been kicked out of games and thrashed a couple of times for it too. Additionally, I am not trying to posture as a tough guy. Off the ice I'm a different person. >> Sorry if I came off like a jerk about this ...I am a big Sabres fan and over-reacted to your comments about Shields and Potvin...Sorry! Us goalies hafta stick together, after all!!! Feeling shame, Jeff #29. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Why be a goalie??? Date: 12 May 1997 21:19:13 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-12 10:58:57 EDT, you write: << What is it exactly that makes you love the position so much? >> I like all the cool stuff you get to wear! That is what attracted me to the position initially, especially the MASK! I also love the mental aspect of the goalie position...all the angles and concentration and preparation. Very intense. And the goalie cameraderie is part of it too...it's like an exclusive club of sorts. Getting nutty, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: three wheels Date: 12 May 1997 22:35:07 -0400 (EDT) > Hi there all! > I have seen goalies wearing three wheels per skate for inline > hockey. I've also read that you should do it, and people on the list have > suggested 3 wheels, as well. Why? What benefit do you get from it? Is > it worth it? I like the idea of buying fewer wheels, but what else do you > get out of using only three? Is there a preferred pattern to have, e.g.: > > front OO-O or O-OO ? > The 2nd wheel tends to get caught in the under-skate (heel) strap of the pad. Also, the removal of the 2nd wheel from an inline chassis enables better lateral movement. Recently I lost an axle bolt, so I had to go without the 2nd wheel on my right skate. Still haven't put the wheel back in (but, then, I haven't gotten a new bolt yet...). Even though I don't play roller hockey anymore, I still skate public sessions for 3 reasons: 1.Good exercise, keeps legs strong in between games/practices; 2. Just can't get enough skating!!! 3. You would skate sessions too if you had a pair of $300 inlines & you stopped playing roller-hockey! But NEway, it's more "ice-like" to hockey stop with the 2nd wheel out...recently I practiced (in goal) with a roller hockey team with that 2nd wheel out, it was a lot easier to move left-to-right than right-to-left...since the 2nd wheel on the right skate was out, it was a little easier to move, although not quite the same as ice...it was still necessary to point the toe out to move across the net. Use this configuration: Front O - -O - O Back, and put the heel strap between the bottom of the boot and the chassis. I used to loop the toe straps around the heel strap (i.e. fasten both ends of the toe strap to the inside toe buckle to form a loop, with the heel strap inside the loop. The toe strap runs along the side of the chassis and doesn't interfere with the wheels, and when tightened properly, keeps the inside toe of the pad on the correct side of the skate.) Hope that made sense... -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.12 and falling... Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm G O A E R O S !!!!! "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Re: glove snap Date: 12 May 1997 22:38:13 -0400 I did this by accident tonight with my new Heaton Helite IV (like the one Brodeur wears?). I just got it and like the feel and fit. The puck hit the palm in three different saves tonight (yes, it hurt) and rolled right into the pocket. I'm used to having it bounce out and looking for the rebound! I recommend the glove. Kevin At 10:32 AM 5/12/97 -0400, Tigger wrote: >The glove snap is TECHNIQUE. It is the proper, FASTEST way to move the >glove to make a save. Yes, sometimes it is unneccesary, and it looks >flashy. BUT the movement also (you have to use your immagination here) it >allowes the puck to "roll" into the pocket, instead of say, hitting the >palm of your hand and bouncing out (this was an old problem of mine). > > "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Will Sharks get a clue? Date: 13 May 1997 01:49:13 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-12 22:25:50 EDT, you write: << With the draft coming up does anyone think that the sharks will make a good move this year. I live near San Jose but my team is Detroit. Its kinda stupid for them to get all of these old guys if there just going to be leaving next year. I would'nt blame Hrudy, Nolan, Kozlov, or Belfor for leaving!!!!!!! Is there any hope for this team. >> Ummm, I hate to be the crabby old man yelling "Hey you kids! Get outta my yard!" but isn't this a GOALIE mailing list? Yes, admittedly the SJ Sharks have two fine goalkeepers (both of whom are mentioned in this message (albeit misspelled) but this is stretching it a little, I think! Bringing down a good time, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Toe strap vs lace Date: 13 May 1997 02:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Here is a question that's been bugging me and nobody here can gimme a straight answer...where does that giant shoelace on the toe of my goalie pads actually go? Where do the straps go (if the pads have straps not laces)? Lastly, which is better? I am planning my Battram pad order and wondering about this stuff... Puzzled, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Re: Where are they now? Date: 13 May 1997 08:16:15 +0100 > Hope this helps. > Adam #35 >P.S. Somebody mentioned Brodeur slashing a Ranger by the name of Langkow, >as a Ranger fans (yippee on the way to the conference finals) I can't help >myself but have to point out that there is no such Ranger (doesn't he play >in T.B.?) Do you mean Langdon? Sorry if I'm being picky :) > LET'S GO RANGERS! LET'S GO RICHTER! > > Adam, It was me that mentioned Brodeur's slash and yes it was Langdon...NOT Langkow, I got confused...SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!! C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: RE: Why be a goalie??? Date: 13 May 1997 01:16:01 -0700 >Are there common personality traits or mental traits that draw a person to >be goalie? Or maybe you just have to be a little off in the head to want to >stand in front of speeding projectiles and take the abuse. Or is it the love >of attention and glory you get when it's just you and the shooter and you >stuff them on a breakaway? If you are really interested in what makes us tick, I highly recommend the book "Lords of the Rink" by Ian Young. It pretty much sums us up. We have an extremely unique position on the team. We are both part of the team and still separate. It's kind of a noble, regal kinda thing. The netminder has an awesome amount of responsibility, and it tends to make us take our job very seriously. More so than any other position, I think. Many goalies, esp. in higher levels are so nervous about this responsibility that they actually get physically sick before each game. (Many have retired from Ulcers!) But for me, it's the responsibility. We're the last line of defense. The last obstacle between the shooter and the goal. We are a defensive coordinator, coach, captain, and champion all rolled into one. And our teams treat us specially too. Have you ever watched what happens when someone attacks or injures a goalie in an NHL game? The offending player is usually mobbed by the goalie's team. >Another thing I have noticed is the comraderie between goalies is like no >other in any sport I have ever experienced. Goalies seem to hang out >together, understand each other, have their own strange superstitions, kind >of like a secret club that no one else quite understands. Again, this has to do with the felling of separateness. We are all the same in a kind of way. We all have the same job, regardless of the team. We stop the puck. Period. That's the only thing we care about, and we'll do almost anything to accomplish that goal. I always congratulate the opposing goalie, and sometimes we'll even salute each other from our creases before the game starts. We'll happily share information about rink conditions, differences in equipment, etc. I mean, how many web pages are there out there for Defensemen? Forwards? Have you ever seen the "Hockey Center's Web Page" ? :) We are different in almost every aspect of the game from any of the other players. Equipment, training, attitude. Oh well, Just my 2 bits. (I hope that you all share the same kinda feelings and it's not just me or I'm gonna feel REEEEAAL dumb. :) ) -Berg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: RE: Why be a goalie??? Date: 13 May 1997 01:17:01 -0700 Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. When you put on all the gear, you feel like an absolute BADASS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Toe strap vs lace Date: 13 May 1997 07:44:59 -0400 At 02:23 AM 5/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >Here is a question that's been bugging me and nobody here can gimme a >straight answer...where does that giant shoelace on the toe of my goalie pads >actually go? Where do the straps go (if the pads have straps not laces)? >Lastly, which is better? I am planning my Battram pad order and wondering >about this stuff... > >Puzzled, >Jeff #29 > > > Hi Jeff... The lace gets interwoven between the openings in the skate, and then tied off on the instep... once I get my digital camera next week, we will post some pictures of how to tie off the lace... The lace is alot better, it holds the pad much nicer, less chance of breaking buckles or cutting toe straps, plus it makes the pads look a lot cleaner in the front.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JFrazee123@aol.com Subject: Re: Toe strap vs lace Date: 13 May 1997 10:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Is there really a reason for the long lace being interwoven then tie off across the instep? Why not a short lace or electrical strap that just uses the toe bridge and the front loop on the skate blade. Curious Dad. I hate tying a long lace for my 9 Year old! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Kelsey Subject: Re: Toe strap vs lace -Reply Date: 13 May 1997 10:34:38 -0500 when you tie your own it is a lot easier to tie them on the top of the skate over the instep using long laces. When you are a Dad (I've been there!) it would be easier to tie them from the front using a short lace. The biggest problem I see with tieing them at the front is it is too easy for them to come untied in a game. When you use the long lace and tie them on top of the skate and then put the pad over the top is is very difficult for them to come untied at a bad time... Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Toe strap vs lace Date: 13 May 1997 21:10:24, -0500 You've missed some email discussion. The giant "shoelace" is the thing that keeps the toe area of your legpads from wiggling. Some pads have buckle & strap, some have laces. It hangs from under the toe area, stretches under & around the skate & ankle, ties on top of the skate-tongue area. It gets hidden under your pad. The toe of your skate will fit the notch. Try it. If you don't like it, install the strap & buckle combo. The goalies I know that use lace like it better . bobbie, goaliemom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Why be a goalie??? Date: 13 May 1997 21:10:28, -0500 Sherry, as another goaliemom, I agree with everything you say, and have this to add. When I complained to Coach McDonald "Why are goalies always the last to strip the gear?", his comment was a shrug and "They're Just Mental". Seems to sum it up nicely. My own goalieson <14yo> is a quiet boy, keeps to himself & a few special friends. But when he gets with other goalies, even those 15yrs older, there's an instant rapport. He's not "the kid", he's "One Of Us". Goalies also seem to make good announcers... Daryl Reaugh & Darren Pang come to mind. I've quit trying to analyze it, you can't. Just accept that Goalies are different from the rest of us, and love 'em anyway. bobbie, goaliemom --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- I'm a goalie mom who is trying to get a better perspective on just what it is about being a goalie that attracts such a distinct group of individuals to play this position. Is it the position? or is it the person? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Why be a goalie??? Date: 13 May 1997 21:50:15 -0400 At 09:10 PM 5/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Sherry, as another goaliemom, I agree with everything you say, and have >this to add. When I complained to Coach McDonald "Why are >goalies always the last to strip the gear?", his comment was a shrug and >"They're Just Mental". > >Seems to sum it up nicely. > >My own goalieson <14yo> is a quiet boy, keeps to himself & a few special >friends. But when he gets with other goalies, even those 15yrs older, >there's an instant rapport. He's not "the kid", he's "One Of Us". Goalies >also seem to make good announcers... Daryl Reaugh & Darren Pang come to >mind. I've quit trying to analyze it, you can't. Just accept that Goalies >are different from the rest of us, and love 'em anyway. > Thats right, I do colour for our local JNR hockey team, when their games are on Television.... But, I am not as good as Pang... etc... >bobbie, goaliemom > >--[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- > >I'm a goalie mom who is trying to get a better perspective on just what it >is about being a goalie that attracts such a distinct group of individuals >to play this position. Is it the position? or is it the person? > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: Why be a goalie??? Date: 13 May 1997 23:46:00 -0400 (EDT) > "They're Just Mental". > > Seems to sum it up nicely. My goalie son fits that bill nicely. Wait he is Sherry's son as well. Hmmmm. It is wierd in a way. If I played, I would want to be a net minder. I am comfortable in net. I like to put on Brandon's pads when I am coaching and coach from the crease. Even when Brandon is wearing his pads, I hope in the net with nothing more than a stick, trapper, and blocker. It helps me see the whole rink and I think that when I coach defensive players I can tell them where to be better from that perspective. I don't know if it is heredity or not, but our 6 year old want's to be a netminder as well. It could be the "Big Brother" thing or the pads, but he wants to do it. > My own goalieson <14yo> is a quiet boy, keeps to himself & a few special > friends. But when he gets with other goalies, even those 15yrs older, > there's an instant rapport. He's not "the kid", he's "One Of Us". Goalies They are special and they try to help each other. It truly is a "Goalie's Club". > also seem to make good announcers... Daryl Reaugh & Darren Pang come to > mind. I've quit trying to analyze it, you can't. Just accept that Goalies > are different from the rest of us, and love 'em anyway. I think this is true for a couple of reasons. Goalies have to be among the smarter players on the team. Not only do that has to maintain perfect focus on the puck, but they have to analyize the game at the same time. They have to react to 2 on 1's 3 on 2's etc. Its what angle to take, its how far to go out. Its do I poke or not. Do I drop or not. What is this shooter's tendancies? What are the strengths and weaknesses of my defensive lines? This is all stuff that is running through the head of a goalie while (s)he plays. Its a demanding job and is very rewarding when done well and very dissapointing when done poorly. Rob -- Rob Miracle rwm@mpgn.com for webmaster@mpgn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: why be a goalie? Date: 14 May 1997 08:06:17 -0400 Hey, I started playing goalie because I liked the pressure, the fact that you could change the outcome of the game more than anyone else. I like to be a deciding factor in a game. And I like the pressure, like having a 3-on-0 and having to stop it because the game is tied at 1, or a penalty shot. I love shoot-outs and overtime. The pressure does have some negative effects though, like making me sick before almost every game. It's a small price to pay though :) Yes, goalies are very superstitious. I myself have a set of Buddhas that I must have out in the locker room, sometimes burning incense as well. I also have a dog tag with a picture of Jimi Hendrix on it that I must be wearing under my equipment, in order to win. After the team cheer, someone has to smack both my pads with their stick before I cross either blue-line. I like to be at the rink at least an hour before everyone else, so I can relax and take my time getting my stuff on. And I only use a yellow-colored mouthguard. When you become a goalie, you join an exclusive group. And I've never met a goalie that I didn't get along with. That because goalies are the only other people that can really understand goalies. You can talk to a forward about how to read passes and plays in front of the net, but the forward most likely won't understand you very well. But a goalie knows what you're talking about. I hope this helps you to better understand us :) Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 Slash all you want, they sent someone else to the box! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: Why be a goalie??? Date: 14 May 1997 08:38:19 -0400 BOBBIE STANFILL wrote: > Goalies > also seem to make good announcers... Daryl Reaugh & Darren Pang come > to > mind. I've quit trying to analyze it, you can't. Just accept that > Goalies > are different from the rest of us, and love 'em anyway. Let's not forget Darren Eliot formerly of the Kings and Red Wings who now runs his own computer software firm (after graduating from Cornell) and does color for the Detroit Vipers of the "I" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: RE: why be a goalie? Date: 14 May 1997 10:31:49 -0700 > I started playing goalie because I liked the pressure, the fact that you >could change the outcome of the game more than anyone else. I like to be a >deciding factor in a game. And I like the pressure, like having a 3-on-0 and >having to stop it because the game is tied at 1, or a penalty shot. I love >shoot-outs and overtime. The pressure does have some negative effects >though, like making me sick before almost every game. It's a small price to >pay though :) Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that even though we seem egotistical, like we believe that we are the team's "Saviour" that it also goes the other way. We feel great beating a 3-on-0, but we also feel personally responsible for each goal that goes through. Even though we might say that it was the defense, or a good shot, or the screen, deep down I think all goalies think to themselves "I shoulda had that!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Throat protection? Date: 14 May 1997 17:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Sorry if I am asking a lotta goofy question here, I am new to this goalie thing and am in the process of buying new stuff, so I figure who better to ask than a bunch of computer-literate goalies, right?? You should see all the crazy stuff I ask Scott Battram...bless his soul, he gives me the straight dirt every time! Plus, these questions seem to generate some interesting discussions in here sometimes...just doing my part! What do you recommend-the hanging throat guard like Patrick Roy wears, or the "collar" type throat guard ? ( I think Beezer wears one, they are hard to see) Or both, or neither?And is a throat guard really necessary? Thanks again for all your input on the great helmet vs mask vs cat-eye vs criss cross debate I started. If anyone cares I am buying a Heaton molded mask (white, how traditional!) with the HECC approved criss cross cage. Thanks again for all your help! Writing "Beezer" cuz I can't spell the guy's full name, Jeff "Question Boy" #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Throat protection? Date: 14 May 1997 17:38:28 -0400 At 05:27 PM 5/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry if I am asking a lotta goofy question here, I am new to this goalie >thing and am in the process of buying new stuff, so I figure who better to >ask than a bunch of computer-literate goalies, right?? You should see all the >crazy stuff I ask Scott Battram...bless his soul, he gives me the straight >dirt every time! > >Plus, these questions seem to generate some interesting discussions in here >sometimes...just doing my part! > >What do you recommend-the hanging throat guard like Patrick Roy wears, or the >"collar" type throat guard ? ( I think Beezer wears one, they are hard to >see) Or both, or neither?And is a throat guard really necessary? > Although I wear neither... the best is to use both... the collar is designed to protect you from skate cuts, while the clear guard (we sell them!!) is good for pucks... >Thanks again for all your input on the great helmet vs mask vs cat-eye vs >criss cross debate I started. If anyone cares I am buying a Heaton molded >mask (white, how traditional!) with the HECC approved criss cross cage. >Thanks again for all your help! > That mask is being made by Ven Veldon... just for a point of interest... >Writing "Beezer" cuz I can't spell the guy's full name, >Jeff "Question Boy" #29 > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Jackson Subject: Why be a goalie? Date: 14 May 1997 18:21:35 -0400 I love playing goalie because of the challenge of the position. A goalie is all ways put to the test of how good he/she is. If a forward or defenseman plays a "good" game it probably won't make a difference in the game. If a goalie plays a "good" it directly affects the outcome of the contest. Goalies also have to strive to be perfect, every game every day or night. What a feeling!!!!!!!! That and look at all the cool equipment :). I think of myself as a little quite, but also a little nuts. I have stood in front 90mph slap shots and lived to tell about it. I started to play goalie because I was good at it in street hockey, so I took it to the next level on the ice, that was 23 years ago and I have loved every minute. Even, lately when we don't have much of a team. (see my home page for a discussion of the team.). Mike "Thriller" Jackson shot.....................................SAVE! See the Hockey section on my Home Page: http://www.en.com/users/mikej00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Mashhadian Subject: Re: Throat protection? Date: 14 May 1997 15:27:58 -0700 >Sorry if I am asking a lotta goofy question here, I am new to this goalie >thing and am in the process of buying new stuff, so I figure who better to >ask than a bunch of computer-literate goalies, right?? You should see all the >crazy stuff I ask Scott Battram...bless his soul, he gives me the straight >dirt every time! > >Plus, these questions seem to generate some interesting discussions in here >sometimes...just doing my part! > >What do you recommend-the hanging throat guard like Patrick Roy wears, or the >"collar" type throat guard ? ( I think Beezer wears one, they are hard to >see) Or both, or neither?And is a throat guard really necessary? > >Thanks again for all your input on the great helmet vs mask vs cat-eye vs >criss cross debate I started. If anyone cares I am buying a Heaton molded >mask (white, how traditional!) with the HECC approved criss cross cage. >Thanks again for all your help! > >Writing "Beezer" cuz I can't spell the guy's full name, >Jeff "Question Boy" #29 Hell, I wear both. I recent had my hanging one broken into three pieces.. heh, ain't that fun. That same guy hit my in the nuts about a year ago. Now that *really* hurt. Yes, I had a cup, but they just help so much... kinda like a car bumper, they're rated for something like 5 mph, but who ever hits you going that slow? Anyway, I got hit in the neck with only a padded guard once. That experience made my get the hanging one. The only real drawback is that when I turn my head, it get's really loud inside the mask when the neckguard hits it. But that's it. It's clear, so I can see through it, and most of all- it keeps the puck away from my neck. Tal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: Why be a goalie? Date: 14 May 1997 16:09:55 PDT (Wed) Mike "Thriller" Jackson wrote: > I love playing goalie because of the challenge of the position. A goalie > is all ways put to the test of how good he/she is. I've been listening to a lot of people trying to characterize the goalie position. I have a couple of observations that puts it in prespective for me. This happened today. I was getting ready to play noontime pickup. It's a pretty good skate, and for about the fifth week in a row, the goalies were me and another guy, Dick. One of the forwards said to me, "I guess a pretty good rivalry is brewing between you and Dick." I stared at him, being surprised he would say such a thing. After a moment's cogitation, I said, "No, that's not right. The real rivalry is me and Dick against all you brain-dead shooters." Inspired by the exchange, Dick and I stoned them cold for the first 40 minutes of the skate. When we changed goals halfway through, we exchanged congrats at center ice. Another time, I showed up at this same pickup and there were three goalies already there, so I decided to head back to work. One of the skaters asked if I wanted to skate out. I looked at him incredulously and said, "No way! I don't know how to play hockey!" And proud of it I was. They are two different sports, I believe, as different as playing soccer and golf. Here's a quote I found on Doug Norris' "The Goaltender Home Page", (http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html): "It has been said, with some justification, that goaltending is the most demanding position in the realm of sport. The puck, a six ounce hunk of vulcanized rubber, is a terribly destructive missile...A man who attempts to block such missiles invites serious injury with the possibility of becoming permanently maimed. The tension induced by this fact can become unbearable." - "This is Hockey" (Stan Fischler/Dan Baliotti, 1975) And finally a note for you hockey parents out there. As my son played goal during his first year of minor hockey, I came to realize the lonliest person in an ice rink is the parent of the goalie. - Chuck Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: throat guards Date: 14 May 1997 16:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Hi Jeff, I think it depends on your style. The mask covers your throat from shots if you tend to keep your chin down and play standup, I also wear a Brown throat guard (clavicle guard I think is the right term), which protects the collarbone and being cut by skates. If you are starting out a Roy type plastic guard might be a good idea because you will probably be down on the ice more for awhile. A butterfly goalie might like the extra swinging guard as they are probably getting more shots that bounce up when they are down in a full butterfly. I'm just speculating on the latter as I don't play butterfly-someone else might know better. I don't wear the swinging guard and I haven't been hit in the throat yet but I don't go down much either so that has to be taken into account. I used one when I first started playing cuz I was flopping half the game and had my chin up on some high shots and I'm sure it saved a few throat shots (although I had one broken by a hard slapshot when it was bolted to a helmet/mask combo). Hope this helps, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Throat protection? Date: 14 May 1997 22:22:14 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 14 May 1997 PelusoM@aol.com wrote: > What do you recommend-the hanging throat guard like Patrick Roy wears, or the > "collar" type throat guard ? I like the hanging guard. I play butterfly, and it's definitely well-suited to facing shots when you're down. I suppose you should wear a turtle-neck type collar, but I feel uncomfortable in them. I don't think they'd do much to stop a shot, but apparently they're useful for protection against skates and junk. They get kind of hot, tho. I guess you should wear both, but if you only want one, go with the hanger. > Writing "Beezer" cuz I can't spell the guy's full name, Vanbiesbrouck? Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: The Game Date: 14 May 1997 23:07:21 -0400 I just bought The Game by Ken Dryden the other day. just from what i read i can tell he is a great writer. i had forgotten how tall dryden was. just how tall was he anyway? Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: Why be a goalie? Date: 15 May 1997 02:12:33 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-14 21:10:33 EDT, you write: << One of the forwards said to me, "I guess a pretty good rivalry is brewing between you and Dick." I stared at him, being surprised he would say such a thing. After a moment's cogitation, I said, "No, that's not right. The real rivalry is me and Dick against all you brain-dead shooters." Inspired by the exchange, Dick and I stoned them cold for the first 40 minutes of the skate. When we changed goals halfway through, we exchanged congrats at center ice. Another time, I showed up at this same pickup and there were three goalies already there, so I decided to head back to work. One of the skaters asked if I wanted to skate out. I looked at him incredulously and said, "No way! I don't know how to play hockey!" And proud of it I was. They are two different sports, I believe, as different as playing soccer and golf. >> I must disagree here...I play both goaltender and defenseman on different teams, and new as I am to playing the goalie position, I feel even MORE a part of the team as a goalie than as a forward or defenseman...I mean there are, what, 4 sets on forwards and 3 pairs of defensemen on and off the ice throughout the game, but only ONE goalie. I KNOW the guys are counting on me when I am in goal...when I skate out, I can concievably "coast" thru a game and nobody will be the wiser most of the time. As a goalie, if I am not in the game , we are gonna get smoked! Several guys in my league play both goalie and forward, and they all love playing both positions. Maybe a few more of you goalies should try it? Playing as a skater AND a goalie has helped me both ways, I feel. Playing goalie has helped my game as a skater since I know what my goalie is looking at and what he wants me to do in most situations, and vice versa. I realize many (most) of you play only goalie, but I dislike the "goalies against skaters" mentality some netminders seem to harbor. We are all HOCKEY PLAYERS, and proud to be! Proud of "not knowing how to play hockey"? The goalie needs to know the game better than ANY other player out there... A hockey player, even in the nets, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Ken Dryden Date: 15 May 1997 03:15:35 -0400 I have read that dryden does not play goal anymore. he prefers to play defence in a monday night shinny in the toronto area. does anyone know why? perhaps it is that after the level he was at, he did not want to play that position at a lesser level? or was it because he was just so battered? Steve -------- Email: ssanyal@netcom.ca Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272 -------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: Why be a goalie? Date: 15 May 1997 08:37:33 +0100 PelusoM@aol.com wrote: > I must disagree here...I play both goaltender and defenseman on different > teams, and new as I am to playing the goalie position, I feel even MORE a > part of the team as a goalie than as a forward or defenseman...I mean there I both agree and disagree - sure, in a scrimmage both goalies are effectively playing against the forwards. We normally keep the interest by swapping ends every 10 or 15 minutes while play goes on. But when you are playing a game, with your team, you are undoubtably part of that team. > Several guys in my league play both goalie and forward, and they all love > playing both positions. Maybe a few more of you goalies should try it? I started as a forward, basically due to the cost of goalie kit (in the UK we have to pay approx the same in Pounds sterling as you'd pay in Canadian dollars - when the exchange rate is 2.2? CDN$ = 1 UK Pound !!) - hence the visit to Woodstock over the summer to pick up my new pads and gloves from Scott - and you lot think its hard waiting 2 weeks for Mr UPS.. I'll have waited almost 5 months..... (Scott could have shipped them, but import duty, and shipping costs would have put the price through the roof) I always wanted to play in goal (I was a soccer goalie, and a cricket wicket keeper before I discovered hockey). Basically its the odd ball in me - like others have said, its a great feeling knowing a good game can really make a difference, and I've always been an individual, so when playing team sports the "odd" position always seemed the obvious one ! Malcolm -- Malcolm (recent 1-2-0 sav%87.69 GAA 6.24 - career 22-21-1 85.85% 5.98) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results & Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Why be a goalie Date: 15 May 1997 10:14:51 +0200 I think this is a very interesting topic, keep them coming :) Without diving deply into the past (no speed, thus stayed back by the goal etc.) the first thing the obviously got my attention was the cool gear. But after that it is the excitment pressure and skill involved that has attracted me. Although I am noticed when I play goal with friends on some local ice it is more simply because I am a goalie, not that many around here, than any cool gear (I am afraid I don't look to cool with way to small pads and a forward helmet/cage). The pressure is actually pretty harsh at times, everybody notices if you make a misstake.But in the same wya everybody notices when you make a great save, one of the saves I like is the one were the p=E5layer is shooting at the open net,save! and he had a cheerch just reaching his lips and he can't believ you got it. On the other hand I hate all goals really but especially those that careen of you (once in floorball I made a save that went way up and the players were just shouting my name but not up, I couldn't move it went down and in:( I have to agree that inside I always think, I could of had that one! It takes a lot of mental focusing to stay on top of your game. I also like the togetherness of goalies (goalie convention anyone?) it's great. Hey we even have our own mailing list :) Appologies for the lenght. Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: throat guards Date: 15 May 1997 07:57:20 -0400 I like the collar much better than the clear plastic guard. I tried that plastic thing for a couple games, but I went right back to collar guard. It can get stuck to your jersey, catch your mask/cage when you turn your head and get stuck, and can have some very negative results if you land on it the wrong way, i.e. plastic digging into your throat(I speak from personal experience, this is very painful!).It will shift around a lot, especially when you are on the ice in a scramble, and won't necessarily be over your neck/throat when the puck hits you. Plus, it's just a think piece of plastic. If anything decent hits it, the guard could very well likely crack. I don't have a style, I just do wahtever it takes to stop the puck, but I do end up on the ice a lot and I'm known to do stupid stuff like dive head first at the puck and take the shot right in the head(with or without helmet). I've been nailed in the throat many times, and my collar throat guard has done just fine. Plus, it wraps around the back of my neck nicely and gives me some protection there. If you are that paranoid about getting hurt, you can always add padding to the collar neck guard. And when it breaks down, you can fix it easily. Whereas a plastic throat guard has to be replaced when it is cracked. Hope this helps, Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 Slash all you want, they sent someone else to the box! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: hockey question Date: 15 May 1997 08:09:14 -0400 Hello, Local high school coach would like to know what the differences is: a letter of intent and being drafted? thanks for any help, Gregg gjohnson@portup.com ******************************************************************* Never Sweat the small stuff and remember everything is small stuff! ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: THIS SEASONS GOALIES Date: 15 May 1997 14:18:58 +0100 Hi all, I've tried to compose a list of all NHL teams goalies for this season, I live in Britian so it is quite hard for me obtain all the right info, the list also contains prospects etc. Here goes:- Anaheim:- Guy Hebert Mikhail Shtalenkov Mike O'Neill Mike Torchia John Tanner Byron Penstock Tom Askey Igor Karpenko Boston:- Jim Carey Tim Cheveldae Scott Bailey John Grahame Vincent Riendeau Evgeny Riabchikov Neil Savary Paxton Schafer Robbie Tallas Joakim Persson Buffalo:- Dominik Hasek Andrei Trefilov Robb Stauber Martin Biron John Blue Steve Shields Chris Davis Calgary:- Trevor Kidd Dwayne Roloson Patrik Haltia Chicago:- Chris Terreri Jeff Hackett Jimmy Waite Christian Soucy Andre Racicot Tom Noble Marc Magliarditi Lars Weibel Colorado:- Patrick Roy Marc Denis Aaron Ellis Richard Shulmistra Brent Johnson Jean-Francois Labbe Craig Billington Dallas:- Andy Moog Roman Turek Arturs Irbe Manny Fernandez Jordan Willis Allan Bester Detroit:- Chris Osgood Mike Vernon Kevin Hodson David Arsenault Norm Maracle Aren Miller Edmonton:- Curtis Joseph Bob Essensa Joaquin Gage Fred Brathwaite Mike Minard Steve Passmore Chris Wickenheiser Florida:- John Vanbiesbrouck Mark Fitzpatrick Frederic Chabot Danny Lorenz Kevin Weekes Todd MacDonald Aaron MacDonald David Lemanowicz Hartford:- Sean Burke Jason Muzzatti Manny Legace Jean-Sebastien Giguere Los Angeles:- Stephane Fiset Byron Dafoe Jamie Storr Frederick Beaubien J.C. Bergeron Brad Guzda Montreal:- Jocelyn Thibault Jose Theodore Patrick Labrecque Marc Lamothe Mathieu Garon New Jersey:- Martin Brodeur Jeff Reese Peter Sidorkiewicz Mike Dunham Michael Heinke Frederic Henry Chris Mason New York Islanders:- Eric Fichaud Tommy Salo Frank Pietrangelo Milan Hnilicka Mark McArthur New York Rangers:- Mike Richter Glenn Healy Kay Whitmore Jamie Ram Dan Cloutier Jon Hillebrandt Ken Shepard Ottawa:- Damian Rhodes Ron Tugnutt Mike Bales Darrin Madeley Patrick Charbonneau Lance Leslie Frederic Cassivi Petter Ronnqvist Toby Kvalevog Kirk Daubenspeck Philadelphia:- Ron Hextall Dominic Roussel Garth Snow Aaron Israel Les Kuntar Neil Little Brian Boucher Johan Hedberg Phoenix:- Nikolai Khabibulin Darcy Wakaluk Tom Draper Scott Langkow Parris Duffus Sylvain Daigle Brian Elder Pat Jablonski Pittsburgh:- Tom Barrasso Ken Wregget Philippe DeRouville Patrick Lalime Jean-Sebastien Aubin Craig Hiller St. louis:- Grant Fuhr Jon Casey Jamie McLennan Bruce Racine Mike Buzak Scott Roche Wade Salzman San Jose:- Ed Belfour Kelly Hrudey Geoff Sarjeant Wade Flaherty Larry Dyck Miikka Kiprusoff Yevgeni Nabokov Vesa Toskala Jonas Forsberg Terry Friesen Michael Larocque Tampa Bay:- Daren Puppa Corey Schwab Derek Wilkinson Tyler Moss Rick Tabaracci Toronto:- Felix Potvin Don Beaupre Marcel Cousineau Doug Bonner Jason Saal Vancouver:- Kirk McLean Corey Hirsch Mike Fountain Sonny Mignacca Dieter Kochan Washington:- Bill Ranford Olaf Kolzig Martin Brochu Sebastien Charpentier Mark Seliger Of course I'm sure many of you will respond to this list telling me that "JOHN DOE" is now playing for such-and-such!! but that's what I want to hear, so give me some response!! C-Ya...Alan ============================================================= =Alan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) = =E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com = = = =South Wirral Hockey Club = =http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ = =(Case-Sensitive) = = = =Check out Pro-Masque's hockey site = =http://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Swartzell Subject: THIS SEASONS GOALIES (fwd) Date: 15 May 1997 7:46:13 MDT > > Boston:- > > Jim Carey > Tim Cheveldae > Scott Bailey > John Grahame > Vincent Riendeau Vince wasn't in the Boston org this past year. > Evgeny Riabchikov > Neil Savary > Paxton Schafer > Robbie Tallas > Joakim Persson > ----------------------------------------------- > Detroit:- > > Chris Osgood > Mike Vernon > Kevin Hodson > David Arsenault > Norm Maracle > Aren Miller add Ryan Bach, who played a bit with Adirondack > -------------------------------------------------- > Ottawa:- > > Damian Rhodes > Ron Tugnutt > Mike Bales > Darrin Madeley > Patrick Charbonneau > Lance Leslie > Frederic Cassivi > Petter Ronnqvist > Toby Kvalevog played with North Dakota, WCHA > Kirk Daubenspeck played with Wisconsin, WCHA > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Phoenix:- > > Nikolai Khabibulin > Darcy Wakaluk > Tom Draper > Scott Langkow > Parris Duffus > Sylvain Daigle > Brian Elder > Pat Jablonski played with Montreal > ----------------------------------------------------- > San Jose:- > > Ed Belfour > Kelly Hrudey > Geoff Sarjeant > Wade Flaherty > Larry Dyck > Miikka Kiprusoff > Yevgeni Nabokov > Vesa Toskala > Jonas Forsberg > Terry Friesen > Michael Larocque played college, with one of the eastern teams...Clarkson??, Northeastern??? > > Vancouver:- > > Kirk McLean > Corey Hirsch > Mike Fountain > Sonny Mignacca > Dieter Kochan did he play for Northern Michigan, WCHA, this year?? > --------------------------------------------------------------- Scott -- Scott Swartzell Hewlett-Packard 590-2152 "I beg to differ with you, I do not weigh a ton, fifty pounds is more like it." Griffin, age 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Langevin Subject: Re: The Game Date: 15 May 1997 09:02:29 -0700 >I just bought The Game by Ken Dryden the other day. just from what i read >i can tell he is a great writer. i had forgotten how tall dryden was. >just how tall was he anyway? I read that book...you'll love it. I also did an oral essay on Ken Dryden when I was in grade 4. If I remember correctly (and I'm sure people will correct this if it's wrong) Ken Dryden was 6'4", and could move like lightning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: Why be a goalie? Date: 15 May 1997 15:09:45, -0500 --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- Playing as a skater AND a goalie has helped me both ways, I feel. Playing goalie has helped my game as a skater since I know what my goalie is looking at and what he wants me to do in most situations, and vice versa. Jeff #29 At Satnite pickups , 14yo goalieson Mike will frequently stay in net for an hour, then switch & play out for the next 1/2 hour. Like you, he feels this gives him an insight into what the players are doing. Plus, it helps develop his skating skills. He's not quick skater, but he's learned more control over both stick & skate. bobbie, goaliemom in texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaslekween@aol.com Subject: Hockey ??? Date: 15 May 1997 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) What is the difference between an amateur tryout agreement and a professional tryout agreement?? Thanks for the help. :- ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: Re: New mask/concussions Date: 15 May 1997 15:41:29 -0400 At 08:19 AM 5/15/97 EST, you wrote: >> I'm pretty accident prone, so I use it to cut down on the number of >> concusions I get each year. >> > >If you are prone to getting concussions, you should see a doctor. If >he clears you to play, spend the extra money and get a Carbon Fiber >mask. Examples are the mask worn by Beezer, made by Armadilla, and >the mask worn by Martin Brodeur, made by Warwick. They're expensive, >but not as expensive as the potential for brain damage by a >concussion. People die from concussions. > >JT #31 (Cujo) > > I'm happy with my Calcoat mask. The mask isn't the problem, it's the way I play. And I have no medical condition that causes my numerous concussions(I had that checked a long time ago), it's just my aggresive, and possibly stupid, style. Hey, half the concussions occurred after my helmet was knocked off in a scramble/collision. I have no intention of getting a new mask, because 1)half the stuff they say is "new" or "special technology" is just spiced-up plastic, and mine is made of fiberglass and kevlar, things I can trust, and 2)I have tried, and hate, the Armadilla, Warwick, and other absurdly priced masks that supposedly protect better. They are heavier than mine, don't have the vision I get with mine, and are way over priced for the quality and workmanship you get, compared to my Calcoat. In other words, I guess I'd rather die in my Calcoat mask. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "There is no such thing as painless goaltending. If they could get enough padding to assure against every type of bruise, you'd have to be swung into position with a small derrick." -Don Cherry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: YEDL33D@prodigy.com (BOBBIE STANFILL) Subject: Re: THIS SEASONS GOALIES Date: 15 May 1997 16:02:15, -0500 Dallas:- Andy Moog Roman Turek Arturs Irbe Manny Fernandez Jordan Willis Allan Bester Bester was the self proclaimed "rent a goalie" last year when Moog & Wakaluk were both injured for weeks, spent this year at his home team of Orlando Solar Bears bobbie, ftworth goaliemom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAULSTERN@aol.com Subject: 1997 Goaltender Camp? Date: 15 May 1997 16:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Hey guys/gals, I was wondering if there was going to be another group goaltender camp this summer. Is Ron Sandler putting something together? Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Why be a Goalie? Date: 15 May 1997 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT) There is no other team sport nor any other position like goalie where one individual can singlehandedly win or lose games. That, for me, is the attraction of playing goal. I'm not a super athlete and don't get picked first for basketball or volleyball or softball, but they don't start the hockey game without me! There is no feeling in the world like going into a game and stealing one! Being bombarded with shots and carrying a weaker team to victory. Reaching for that feeling gets me through the other games, through the weak goals, and the expensive equipment. Being such an importatnt part of the team keeps me involved. It's important to note the team part. If I just wanted to be the man, I could play individual sports like golf or tennis. Being part of a team is important to me. Playing a role my abilities do not let me play in other team sports. Face it, whatever level we play, whatever our abilities, when we're on ice we are the Michael Jordans of our teams; just by being the goalie. We can only go up from there. And, I think goalies tend to be individualists. We like to be part of the crowd, yet ahead of it. We like to play on teams, to be a part of something. Yet we also like to be the most important player. We share that and that's why, I think, goalies get along with each other so well. It's something only another goalie can share and understand. (Besides, I just love to talk equipment and a forward just can't relate!) Just my 2=A2 worth. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: New mask/concussions Date: 15 May 1997 18:23:50 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-15 15:52:45 EDT, you write: << In other words, I guess I'd rather die in my Calcoat mask. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings >> Umm...isn't this attitude a little, er...casual, considering we're talking about Shannon's BRAIN and LIFE here? I am sure the K-Wings (?) appreciate your dedication to aggressive play and seeing the puck, but maybe you should consider making a few changes for your health's sake? Concussions are nothing to laugh off...ask Pat LaFontaine or Brett Lindros. Concerned about Shannon's melon, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PMK72@aol.com Subject: How do I unsubscribe? Date: 15 May 1997 21:38:32 -0400 (EDT) To anyone who remembers: Can you please tell me how I can unsubscribe? This is a great mailing list, but I don't want to receive it anymore. Any help would be appreciated. Thanx -Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: Re: New mask/concussions Date: 15 May 1997 22:03:02 -0400 At 06:23 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote: << In other words, I guess I'd rather die in my Calcoat mask.>> << <> > >Umm...isn't this attitude a little, er...casual, considering we're talking >about Shannon's BRAIN and LIFE here? I am sure the K-Wings (?) appreciate >your dedication to aggressive play and seeing the puck, but maybe you should >consider making a few changes for your health's sake? Concussions are nothing >to laugh off...ask Pat LaFontaine or Brett Lindros. > >Concerned about Shannon's melon, >Jeff #29 > No way am I changing my style or equipment. I'm happy with what I've got, concussions or no concussions. And just so you know, the K-Wings are a girls' midget travel team from Houghton, MI(in the U.P. of Michigan). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "There is no such thing as painless goaltending. If they could get enough padding to assure against every type of bruise, you'd have to be swung into position with a small derrick." -Don Cherry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Cubberly Subject: Mask Art Date: 15 May 1997 23:05:26 -0400 (EDT) To All, I am looking to hire one or more graphic designers or artists to sketch mask art designs. New and creative minds welcome. This is your chance to change the face of goaltenders. Please respond to me directly at cubberly@planet.net. Thanks, Ed Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: New mask/concussions Date: 15 May 1997 22:12:33 -0700 (PDT) > No way am I changing my style or equipment. I'm happy with what I've got, >concussions or no concussions. > And just so you know, the K-Wings are a girls' midget travel team from >Houghton, MI(in the U.P. of Michigan). >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings > shannonp@portup.com Shannon Sounds like your concussion problem stems from losing your helmet during pileups in front of your net. Does your helmet come off too easily? I might not be as aggressive as you, but I have been known to throw myself around and have never lost my helmet. You might want to consider tightening your helmet to try and keep it on. After all, it can't protect you if it's lying out on the ice. Just a thought. Keep playing hard! Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: BIOS! Web page compilation. SEND ME! Date: 16 May 1997 02:22:13 -0400 Ok, I finally have some free time and I have committed this entire week to writing my web page. So, send me your bio and a pic (if you have it) and I will put it up on my page. I have a scanner, so if anyone wants to send me a picture, my address is below. Also, make sure you send your bio via the net before anything else. So don't send the bio and pic via snail mail. Hopefully I will have a partial page up by the end of next week. Also, please submit bios in this form: name: number height: glove hand: highest level of hockey played: flavour text It doesn't matter how long the text is - i will probably cut and paste. also, you don't have to mark each line as show above: as long as each piece of info is on a different line this is ok. so, my entry will look like this: Oliver Calderon 35 5'8" left midget C blahblabblahblah. sorry for being picky, but I will probably use a program I wrote to automate the html process. Also, I reserve the right to cut bios down if they are excessively long or if the don't fit the intended background I will be using (right now it should look like a hockey card). bios should be the main text of an email - no attachments, even if they are plain text, except for pics, which may be attachments. so, send me those bios!! -MOSSey (EnuffOfThisMessingAround) "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew T. Goelzer" Subject: Pads for Sale Date: 15 May 1997 23:32:20 -0700 For Sale: Brian's Altra Air Pac 34" Black with White Lettering Ballistic Toe Plates Included Less than 1 year old Excellent Condition (worn just enough times to break them in) Price: $750 or offer Contact: Matt Goelzer goelz@pacbell.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: How do I unsubscribe? Date: 16 May 1997 08:55:55 +0100 PMK72@aol.com wrote: > Can you please tell me how I can unsubscribe? This is a great mailing list, > but I don't want to receive it anymore. Any help would be appreciated. Attached is Dave's previous message about how to get on/off the list Send to the list as there are bound to be others who've forgotten... Malcolm All administrative requests should be sent to the following address: hockey-goalie-request@xmission.com So to sub (unsub), send email and put subscribe in the body of the mail. Do not send administrivia to hockey-goalie@xmission.com ...that is how you post to the list. -- Malcolm (recent 1-2-0 sav%87.69 GAA 6.24 - career 22-21-1 85.85% 5.98) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results & Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Mask for sale Date: 16 May 1997 10:22:58 +0100 Hi all, Since purchasing my new Pro-Masque mask, I no longer require my old COOPER SK 2000 design, thus I'm trying to off-load it now. It is in good condition with just the odd little scrath on the helmet, the cage is in tact with no damage at all, perhaps the only thing wrong with it is that you may want to replace the chin strap as it has a small tear in it but nothing major!! The helmet size is medium and it has a cat-eye config cage (SK-30) exactly the same design as Terreri and Osgood. I puchased it for =A3100 in Britain,= which works out at about $180 I believe and I would be willing to sell it for around $80 or =A350 for any British goalies on the list. Please e-mail me personally at:-joker@comic.u-net.com C-Ya...Alan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3DAlan MacLean (CIHL:Coyotes GM) =3D =3DE-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com =3D =3D =3D =3DSouth Wirral Hockey Club =3D =3Dhttp://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Lacemawerhockey/ =3D =3D(Case-Sensitive) =3D =3D =3D =3DCheck out Pro-Masque's hockey site =3D =3Dhttp://www.mv.com/ipusers/burghome/promasque/ =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: chin inserts Date: 16 May 1997 05:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, Has anybody worked out a way to replace those awful styrofoam chin inserts in the masks with something like the padded ones in the old cage/combo helmet? All this talk about masks coming off, my worst problem is getting mine snug and the styrofoam chin cup doesn't do as good a job as the old padded type. My mask is a Calcoat (which nobody has heard of except one or two on the group) and if I had had a better chin cup in it I don't think I would have gotten whacked up under the chin so badly last year on a high shot to the top of the mask. Thanks, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: New mask/concussions Date: 16 May 1997 10:37:18 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- In a message dated 97-05-15 15:52:45 EDT, you write: I think youth is working at a disadvantage here. A midget player is too young to realize the consequences of repeated injuries to any area of the body, especially the head. Shannon's young enough to still think that nothing bad will ever happen to her and that nothing will come of these concussions. I hope she's right. However, in the past week, two children having died in the Detroit area from a single minor head injury -one fell out of this bed and hit his head and the other was hit in the head by a book bag at school. These were both single blows, and the kids died. Multiple injuries can be just as serious, if not more so. Even if Shannon doesn't die from the injuries, there can be a loss of motor skills, memory, etc that mau never go away. We all love the sport, and we all love being goalies, but we shoudl all also love the idea of reaching a healthy old age....Take careof that noggin Shannon - it's the only one you've got!!!! patty #33 << In other words, I guess I'd rather die in my Calcoat mask. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings >> Umm...isn't this attitude a little, er...casual, considering we're talking about Shannon's BRAIN and LIFE here? I am sure the K-Wings (?) appreciate your dedication to aggressive play and seeing the puck, but maybe you should consider making a few changes for your health's sake? Concussions are nothing to laugh off...ask Pat LaFontaine or Brett Lindros. Concerned about Shannon's melon, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: BIOS clarification Date: 16 May 1997 13:13:03 -0400 well, it has come to my attention that I missed a few pertinent details, such as age, years of experience, and type of goalie. So, your bio now has to look like this: Name Number Age height glove hand type(s) of hockey played highest level of hockey played years experience flavour text should contain the following: how you got started in hockey, why you became/or love being a goalie, and some personal info like what you do irl(in real life) or hobbies and interests. You can also include your one shining moment as a goaltender (only one line though) those who have already submitted a bio should only send me the missing stuff as I can sort it out for you. Don't worry about the form thingie above. And send me some bloody bios! Compared to the flood of bio postings before, I'm getting a mere trickle of submissions!!! -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: Mask Art Date: 16 May 1997 19:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Does anybody know if you can get a mask like the ones Terreri and Osgood wear designed? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Wilson Subject: Re: Mask Art Date: 16 May 1997 22:08:41 -0700 At 11:05 PM 5/15/97 -0400, Ed Cubberly wrote: >To All, >I am looking to hire one or more graphic designers or artists to sketch mask >art designs. New and creative minds welcome. This is your chance to change >the face of goaltenders. > >Please respond to me directly at cubberly@planet.net. > >Thanks, >Ed Cubberly >Cubberly Masks, Inc. And the first thing you can have them do is fix that ugly chip in the paint job of Richter's mask. Ack! It keeps getting bigger every game. -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jussi.niemi@joensuu.fi (Jussi Niemi) Subject: Favorites of all time... Date: 10 May 1997 12:07:17 -0600 Well I had to make up a list too: 1) Grant Fuhr - 5 Stanley cups, 2 Canada cups...need to say more? 2) Patrick Roy - a real a**hole, but a good goalie 3) Mike Richter - fast and agile Other great goalies are Vanbiesbrouck, Khabibulin(should have actually been on my top 3 list), Hasek and Steve Shields. JOHN NIEMI #1 Jussi Niemi Associate Prof. Linguistics University of Joensuu P.O. Box 111 FIN 80101 Joensuu Finland tel. +358-13-251 4306 (office), 228 723 (home), 040-5477382 (cellular) fax +358-13-251 4211 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jussi.niemi@joensuu.fi (Jussi Niemi) Subject: Goalie fighters / Grant Fuhr Date: 10 May 1997 12:07:12 -0600 Hi! I'm a big fan of Grant Fuhr and I saw his name popping out on the top10 goalie fighting lists. Does anyone have any fights on video that Funr has participated in? I'm also interested in Tie Domi fights, does anyone of you collect fights(like me) or do you know any hockey video stores (who have fights on tape) in the US / Canada? I live in Finland and we can see only 2-3 NHL matches a week. JOHN NIEMI #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Suspenders Date: 17 May 1997 22:17:22 -0700 (PDT) I have an equipment question for the group. How many of you wear suspenders on your goalie pants? Why or why not? If you wear suspenders, do you wear them over or under your chest and arm pads? Again, why or why not? I would appreciate hearing your opinions. I am considering ordering a new chest and arm pad and need to consider this. Thank you to all who respond. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Suspenders Date: 18 May 1997 01:21:35 -0400 > I have an equipment question for the group. How many of you wear suspenders > on your goalie pants? Why or why not? I do.. i guess to make sure my pants stay up! they don't bother me. > If you wear suspenders, do you wear them over or under your chest and arm > pads? Again, why or why not? under for sure. i did not think you could wear them over. i would think that would make your pants move around a lot every time you moved much Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: suspenders Date: 18 May 1997 09:46:47 +0000 Hi, Wearing your suspenders "in or out" will depened mostly on your individual style and comfort. I think you'll find the main difference is in how you like your upper body pad to function. If you want it to "float" freely, you'll probably want to wear the suspenders underneath. The flip side is if you like your body pad to be more secure you'll probably wear them out or over the body pad. There are good and bad reasons for doing both. I wear mine over the body pad. I think it lends a bit of stability and keeps the body pad from riding up on your neck while in a crouch. -- Kevin C. Scott Coca-Cola Space Science Center Columbus, GA USA http://www.ccssc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: Re: suspenders Date: 18 May 1997 11:22:31 -0400 I don't like wearing the suspenders, because it is harder to adjust them during the game, especially if you wear them underneath your upperbody pads. I wear a pair of Vaughn P2500, and just use the lace-up and belt. If I want to adjust them, I can just tighten/loosen the belt. Also, suspenders can have a nasty habit of sliding around, and possibly off, your shoulders if they aren't on just right. On the plus side, suspenders worn over your upperbody pads can prevent them from riding up on you when you are in your crouch. This also keeps all your pads where they are suppose to be, i.e. your shoulders are always covered by the shoulder caps on the pads, because the straps of the suspenders hold them there. However, this can take away from your freedom of movement. And since you, and the upperbody pads, are always shifting and moving, the suspenders are more likely to slide off or move around. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "We are the sort of people who make health insurance popular." - Terry Sawchuk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Re: suspenders Date: 18 May 1997 11:37:38 -0400 (EDT) I don't wear suspenders, but after reading about how they can prevent the upper body pad from riding up when in a crouch I may start! My chest protector has a habit of cutting into my throat when I am trying to get low to see the puck...and I hate that! It's so great the information I get from this list even when I don't initiate the question! Learning more every day, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: Throat Guards Date: 18 May 1997 20:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Hi all - I just use the clear plastic Cooper type throat guard, it works great. The only really annoying thing about it is the loud noise when the guard moves around and hits the mask. I don't have much of a problem with the guard digging into my neck or anything like that. The bottom of my throat guard, when hit, just gets knocked back into the collar of the upper body pad (speaking of the upper body, it's a Battram, got it recently. Great job, Scott! I'm playing a game with it tonight, I'll let you guys know how it goes...) Back to the neck guard...I chose the swinging type because I'm a butterflyer...just makes more sense to prevent the puck from impacting the neck than to just pad the impact with a collar. About the neck guards cracking...it's much easier to get a new neck guard than to get a new neck, isn't it? BTW collars aren't made for impact protection anyway, they're just to prevent cuts from skates...right? Just my 2 shiny pennies... -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: 2.12 and falling... Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm G O A E R O S !!!!! "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." "There is not a man, woman, or child alive who does not enjoy a lovely beverage." - Dave Letterman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Mashhadian Subject: Re: Throat Guards Date: 19 May 1997 10:35:35 -0700 >The only really annoying thing about it is the loud noise when the guard >moves around and hits the mask. One thing you might want to try is putting some silicon cocking along the edge of you helmet where the guard hits. It'll cushion the impact. I've done that and it helps quite a bit. Tal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: hockey camp Date: 20 May 1997 09:32:29 -0400 Hello, Does anyone have a phone number for the Lakeland Hockey schools in Minnesota? Thanks, Gregg gjohnson@portup.com ******************************************************************* Never Sweat the small stuff and remember everything is small stuff! ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Helmets / Masks ... Date: 20 May 1997 09:55:06 EST In the recent past we've been discussing the relative benefits of masks vs helmets, and approved vs cat wire grills. We all have our preferences for various reasons and that's great. I would just like to, for the benefit of those who were asking, say that last night one of our better players took a slapshot from about 15' out. The puck hit right on the eye opening of my Cooper HM30 cat wire cage. My rig is basically like Chris Osgoode's. Not so much as a sting. Lot's of noise, but no pain at all. JT #31 (Cujo) Interestingly enough, I'm in the process of getting a new fiberglass and kevlar mask. It to will a cat wire grill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: goalie skates? Date: 20 May 1997 18:21:07 -0400 (EDT) I play inline roller hockey right now. I am interested in moving over to ice hockey this winter. I do not own ice skates of any kind, and am a REALLY BAD ice skater...for now. My question is, should I buy goalie ice hockey skates to learn to ice skate in, or regular ice hockey skates to learn in? I realize the goalie skates have a flatter blade and padding and stuff, will that make it too hard for a beginner to learn to skate in them? I don't want to buy regular skates to learn in then hafta buy goalie skates to play hockey in...do I need goalie skates at all? Would regular ice hockey skates suffice at the very low level of ice hockey I will be playing at? So many questions...All input will be appreciated!! The ice man cometh, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: goalie skates? Date: 20 May 1997 15:36:42 -0700 what you need to ask yourself is: what position am i going to play on the ice? ...and buy the skates for the answer above. forward's skates have a curve to them. this makes them very, very fast. it also makes them tend to shift balance very, very suddenly since they rocker. if you're playing forward or D on the ice, you want forward's skates. goalie skates are perfectly flat. they are usually also sharpened a little different, leaving them with less of an edge. only goalies wear goalie skates, primarily because goalie skates are designed to NOT rocker with weight shifts, givin you greater stability in a low crouch. they also allow you to move from side to side easier. i used to play goal in forward skates. my crouches were awful, because if i looked in the wrong direction i'd fall over. i also had real trouble getting back up fast. after buying goalie skates, it DRAMATICALLY improved my playing. while there are people out there who can and do play goal in forward skates, it's not recommended. when in-season, i routinely go to public skate at least one night a week with goalie skates and pads on so that it becomes a reflex to react in the gear. for techniques and speed, i wear my forward skates instead. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: goalie skates? Date: 20 May 1997 19:06:03 -0400 At 06:21 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >I play inline roller hockey right now. I am interested in moving over to ice >hockey this winter. I do not own ice skates of any kind, and am a REALLY BAD >ice skater...for now. My question is, should I buy goalie ice hockey skates >to learn to ice skate in, or regular ice hockey skates to learn in? I realize >the goalie skates have a flatter blade and padding and stuff, will that make >it too hard for a beginner to learn to skate in them? I don't want to buy >regular skates to learn in then hafta buy goalie skates to play hockey >in...do I need goalie skates at all? Would regular ice hockey skates suffice >at the very low level of ice hockey I will be playing at? So many >questions...All input will be appreciated!! > >The ice man cometh, >Jeff #29 > > > If you intend on being an ice goalie... only get goal skates!!! I havent skated on regular skates since I was about 6.... so I dont even remember what its like!!! Goalie skates will be fine to learn on.... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norris Douglas Todd Subject: Re: goalie skates? Date: 20 May 1997 17:17:25 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 20 May 1997, Scott Battram wrote: > At 06:21 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I play inline roller hockey right now. I am interested in moving over to ice > >hockey this winter. I do not own ice skates of any kind, and am a REALLY BAD > >ice skater...for now. My question is, should I buy goalie ice hockey skates > >to learn to ice skate in, or regular ice hockey skates to learn in? I realize > >the goalie skates have a flatter blade and padding and stuff, will that make > >it too hard for a beginner to learn to skate in them? I don't want to buy > >regular skates to learn in then hafta buy goalie skates to play hockey > >in...do I need goalie skates at all? Would regular ice hockey skates suffice > >at the very low level of ice hockey I will be playing at? So many > >questions...All input will be appreciated!! > > If you intend on being an ice goalie... only get goal skates!!! > > I havent skated on regular skates since I was about 6.... so I dont even > remember what its like!!! > > Goalie skates will be fine to learn on.... Mike, I did the same thing you did two years ago (strictly roller-hockey, never ice skated before), and I agree with Scott 100% on this - especially if you're just beginning, you won't know any better and goal skates should be easier to learn with - they're lower to the ground for one thing. Another thing is that you never know what could happen, even at a very low level of ice hockey. I was playing intramural "b" hockey (about as low as you can get) my first few months of skating, with rented forward skates, and broke my toe on a hard shot from the slot. As soon as it healed, I bought goal skates :-) Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "We need not just a new generation of leadership, but a new gender of leadership. This is the minority I enjoy being in." - President Clinton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: goalie skates? Date: 20 May 1997 20:26:41 -0700 (PDT) At 06:21 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >I play inline roller hockey right now. I am interested in moving over to ice >hockey this winter. I do not own ice skates of any kind, and am a REALLY BAD >ice skater...for now. My question is, should I buy goalie ice hockey skates >to learn to ice skate in, or regular ice hockey skates to learn in? I realize >the goalie skates have a flatter blade and padding and stuff, will that make >it too hard for a beginner to learn to skate in them? I don't want to buy >regular skates to learn in then hafta buy goalie skates to play hockey >in...do I need goalie skates at all? Would regular ice hockey skates suffice >at the very low level of ice hockey I will be playing at? So many >questions...All input will be appreciated!! > >The ice man cometh, >Jeff #29 > > > Jeff: Goalie skates are fine to learn how to ice skate. No matter what level you play in, play only in goalie skates. Other skates do not provide the toe protection available in goalie skates. Your toes will thank you. I lost my big toe nail trying to play goalie at the beginner level in ice skates. Finally, goalie skates are designed for the game goalies play. Buy goalie skates first and save yourself from having to buy two pairs of skates. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Coll Subject: Public Skate with pads Date: 20 May 1997 23:54:50 -0400 Just out of curiosity, how many of you goaltenders go out during public skate with your pads on to practice skating? I've seen this come up once or twice before, and I was curious if its a common thing. I've only skated with pads on when there was a public session just before one of my games, and that doesn't happen too often. Andy Coll esv@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Goalie cut jersey, Goal sticks, and stuff Date: 20 May 1997 13:26:43 -0700 I found Kobe goalie cut jerseys selling for $15.95 CDN/ $11.96 US funds these are really good jerseys and will last forever. they usually sell for $24.95 CDN or $18.71 US. Every color. There avalible at --------------- Ice Sports Scarborough Ed Blair 416-412-0404 ------------ They also have "original" "Custom Pro" "Felix Potvin" sticks brand new left over for $50.99 CDN or Approx $37 US. These are not the retail rocket sticks in stores. Does anybody know of a better price for Heaton Helite IV Sticks "gatekeeper" than $59.95 CDN /$44.97 US. There so expensive. -------------- Well after watching the playoffs of SNOW I decided to do a "Snow-a-facation" to my chest protector. I disected my old forward pants, and use the thigh protecters on the upper arm with the curve going outward. I look so much bigger I look like a wall. I have about 4-5 inches more covered. I also added on plastic to the back shoulder part of my chest protector. I had a whole 7 inches sticking up from my shoulders but i decided to go with something less obvious like 2" b/c my jersey was too small and was lifting up to. I just killed the integrity of the game. Hey Battram, How bout making some 8" width arm extentions? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: RE:public skate with pads Date: 21 May 1997 07:50:20 -0400 At 11:54 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Just out of curiosity, how many of you goaltenders go out during >public skate with your pads on to practice skating? I've seen >this come up once or twice before, and I was curious if its a >common thing. I've only skated with pads on when there was a public >session just before one of my games, and that doesn't happen too >often. > >Andy Coll >esv@psu.edu >http://www.personal.psu.edu/esv > > I use to skate in my old, much heavier, pads during open skating before games. But, the car was a little cramped bringing both my game pads and one of my other sets. So, I went out and bought 4, 5lbs weights that I can strap to my legs. That way, if I want some light exercise, I can use 5lbs a leg. If I want a little better work-out, I can use 10lbs. They're a lot easier to get on and off, and have worked great for me so far. Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "We are the sort of people who make health insurance popular." - Terry Sawchuk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Strobridge" Subject: Rust on skates Date: 21 May 1997 07:56:28 -0400 Hi all, I know this came up on the list a while back, but I wasn't playing ice hockey then so I didn't pay much attention to it. I was just wondering how to prevent those little rust spots from appearing on the skate blades the day after a game. Right now, after every game I dry the blades with a dry hockey sock and lay them out, blades up, with the rest of my equipment in front of a fan. I was just wondering if there's something I'm missing 'cause these rust spots tend to take the edge off the blade very fast. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Brown Subject: RE: goalie skates? Date: 21 May 1997 07:18:31 -0600 A pair of low-end goal skates like the Bauer 1000's have a 23' blade radius as opposed to a 28' radius which will make it easier to learn and work on your mobility. Once you feel comfortable with your progress you can up grade to a mid price point or high-end Bauer skate with a 28' radius without even noticing a difference. Bottom line: You get the protection, lateral support but with a more gradual radius so you can work on your mobility without clunking around like a Clydesdale. ---------- I play inline roller hockey right now. I am interested in moving over to ice hockey this winter. I do not own ice skates of any kind, and am a REALLY BAD ice skater...for now. My question is, should I buy goalie ice hockey skates to learn to ice skate in, or regular ice hockey skates to learn in? I realize the goalie skates have a flatter blade and padding and stuff, will that make it too hard for a beginner to learn to skate in them? I don't want to buy regular skates to learn in then hafta buy goalie skates to play hockey in...do I need goalie skates at all? Would regular ice hockey skates suffice at the very low level of ice hockey I will be playing at? So many questions...All input will be appreciated!! The ice man cometh, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PSUCKIII@aol.com Subject: Re: goalie skates? Date: 21 May 1997 12:35:57 -0400 (EDT) it is true, goalie skates are the way to go. I never ice skated before last year, let alone play ice hockey. i am 28 and not the most agile individual but there have been manyt times when a hard shot has hit the instep of the skate or the toe. I felt a little twinge of pain but could not imagine what it would feel like if i had regular skates. Probably would have broken my foot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Fisher Subject: Re: Rust on skates Date: 21 May 1997 12:51:58 -0500 I have the same problem sometimes, in fact I have the Bauer 4000's with stainless blades. One night I forgot to take the blade guards off and the small amount of moisture in there caused three really bad rust spots overnight. I use the Pro-Filer on mine. It is not much good if your skates are extremely dull and need to be ground, but if you use it about every 2-3 times you skate it keeps them sharper longer and is really good for getting the rust off. Hope this helps.... _________________________________________________ "Make Like Hockey Players and Get The PUCK OUT!" http://www.aye.net/~netmindr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BLACKBEAR9@aol.com Subject: Re: Rust on skates Date: 21 May 1997 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-21 08:00:40 EDT, you write: << I was just wondering how to prevent those little rust spots from appearing on the skate blades the day after a game. >> I use vaseline. Never had problems since. Rub some on a paper towel, then smooth it lightly on each blade. Regards, Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Re: Rust on skates Date: 21 May 1997 15:15:12 -0400 --------------F16B715A96D96DD197E243A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Fisher wrote: > I have the same problem sometimes, in fact I have the Bauer 4000's > with > stainless blades. One night I forgot to take the blade guards off > and the > small amount of moisture in there caused three really bad rust spots > > overnight. > > I use the Pro-Filer on mine. It is not much good if your skates are > extremely dull and need to be ground, but if you use it about every > 2-3 > times you skate it keeps them sharper longer and is really good for > getting the rust off. > > Hope this helps.... > > _________________________________________________ > "Make Like Hockey Players and Get The PUCK OUT!" > > http://www.aye.net/~netmindr How do you use the Pro Filer? Does it come in various sizes? Ron --------------F16B715A96D96DD197E243A7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Fisher wrote:
I have the same problem sometimes, in fact I have the Bauer 4000's with
stainless blades. One night I forgot to take the blade guards off and the
small amount of moisture in there caused three really bad rust spots
overnight.

I use the Pro-Filer on mine. It is not much good if your skates are
extremely dull and need to be ground, but if you use it about every 2-3
times you skate it keeps them sharper longer and is really good for
getting the rust off.

Hope this helps....

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"Make Like Hockey Players and Get The PUCK OUT!"

http://www.aye.net/~netmindr
  How do you use the Pro Filer?  Does it come in various sizes?

Ron --------------F16B715A96D96DD197E243A7-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Digital Camera Date: 21 May 1997 18:15:18 -0400 Hi there guys and girls... Thanks to Jukka Rapponen (World Marketing Director for Eastman Kodak) and former Finish National team goaltender, current goalie coach with the BUFFALO WINGS of RHI, I now have a Digital Camera, so if anywone would like to see any special pictures of parts of equipment, just let me know, and I will take them for you... and email them in JPG format... I will also take some shots of actual equipment being produced.... I also think it might be a good idea to take a series of photos and show the correct way of doing the toe laces on goal pads.... I will do that later this week, and post the images either here or on our web site. Jukka Rapponen also will be handling our Finish distribution through his company Right Angle OY. So our gear will be available in Finland around the end of July or first part of August. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: IMPROVED 3500 SERIES PAD now available Date: 22 May 1997 18:39:11 -0400 We have reworked our top end goal pad to make it even better than before... including a new graphic to correspond to our 3500 Series gloves, we have also added a new and improved inside knee to create a nicer look to the pad, along with adding new "toe-caps" to the the pads, and also making the gear look more streamline and better profiles.... Email me if you would like to have some JPEGS maile to you to view this new pad! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: NEW FEATURE Date: 24 May 1997 10:01:47 -0400 Hello, we are now offering a new feature on our new BPGP 3500 Series pad... It is a TOE CAP that I saw on Mike Vernons pads.. we made ours look slightly more professional than his (I think this is something the trainer added on Mikes pads....) this offers more protection on the toe area... and it may be better for inline goalies who do not have an actual goal skate plastic shell to protect their feet... I will post the images on our site later this weekend... Also I have the pictures on how to tie a toe bridge completed as well... we will put those in the "NEWS" area of our web site.... Or, we can email them... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Summer drills Date: 24 May 1997 22:11:43 +0200 So does anybody have any drills they use during the off season/summer: I realise it isn't the off season for roller hockey goalies, so summer. . . Would hate do get out of shape before next season. Thanks to Noralee for the Z Ball tip, hopefully I will have one in a week or so, THANKS! Thanks also for all the tips on the mental bit of the game, maybe I'll try singing next season :) Keep those save% up :) Adam #35 Never say die! LET'S GO RANGERS! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: Cubberly Mask review two! Date: 26 May 1997 09:11:07 -0400 Like most goalies all equipment takes some break-in time. The other two masks my son wore even those took some time to break-in or get accustom to. Well, when he put on the Cubberly mask - guess what, went right out and played in it. Fitting like a glove and being comfortable right away. Save your money and have a custom mask made, Gregg - goalie dad gjohnson@portup.com ******************************************************************* Never Sweat the small stuff and remember everything is small stuff! ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Goalie Ma$ks Date: 26 May 1997 11:05:01 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-26 08:59:07 EDT, you write: << Like most goalies all equipment takes some break-in time. The other two masks my son wore even those took some time to break-in or get accustom to. Well, when he put on the Cubberly mask - guess what, went right out and played in it. Fitting like a glove and being comfortable right away. Save your money and have a custom mask made, >> I would LOVE to have a Cubberly (or Warwick, or other high end custom mask), but the prohibitive factor for me is MONEY...as I am sure is the case with many of my fellow netminders. I corresponded with Ed Cubberly via the internet about his fine custom masks, and the most inexpensive ones (refinished models) were more than the cost of my leg pads!!! I am sure these masks are INCREDIBLE and worth every penny, but until I get that big, fat signing bonus from the San Jose Sharks, I will have to pursue other avenues of facial protection. Can anyone recommend a more budget conscious HECC approved goalie mask and where to order it? So far Heaton and KOHO are the winners with HECC approved masks for around $225.00... This is by no means a slam against Mr. C's masks...just a little pricey for me...if I win the lottery or find a bag of money in the locker room you will be getting an order from me ASAP! All those NHL goalies can't be wrong!! :-) Pinching those pennies, Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: Re: Goalie Ma$ks Date: 26 May 1997 12:47:07 -0400 At 11:05 AM 5/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-05-26 08:59:07 EDT, you write: > ><< Like most goalies all equipment takes some break-in time. The other two > masks my son wore even those took some time to break-in or get accustom to. > Well, when he put on the Cubberly mask - guess what, went right out and > played in it. Fitting like a glove and being comfortable right away. Save > your money and have a custom mask made, > >> > >I would LOVE to have a Cubberly (or Warwick, or other high end custom mask), >but the prohibitive factor for me is MONEY...as I am sure is the case with >many of my fellow netminders. I corresponded with Ed Cubberly via the >internet about his fine custom masks, and the most inexpensive ones >(refinished models) were more than the cost of my leg pads!!! I am sure these >masks are INCREDIBLE and worth every penny, but until I get that big, fat >signing bonus from the San Jose Sharks, I will have to pursue other avenues >of facial protection. Can anyone recommend a more budget conscious HECC >approved goalie mask and where to order it? So far Heaton and KOHO are the >winners with HECC approved masks for around $225.00... > >This is by no means a slam against Mr. C's masks...just a little pricey for >me...if I win the lottery or find a bag of money in the locker room you will >be getting an order from me ASAP! All those NHL goalies can't be wrong!! :-) > >Pinching those pennies, >Jeff #29 > > I like my Calcoat, and I got it for around $325. It's kevlar and fiberglass, and gives you excellent vision. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "We are the sort of people who make health insurance popular." - Terry Sawchuk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Brown Subject: FW: Newsletter Content Date: 26 May 1997 16:32:00 EDT Just a few general question to all the tenders on the list? 1) How many of you subscribe to Bauers' IN THE CREASE NEWSLETTER? 2) What types of features would you like to see (i.e. Equipment Maintenance, Coaching, Pro profiles,) 3) What Stories or events have transpired in '96 - '97 that you found informative, controversial or just plain interesting that you would want to see an additional feature or write-up on? Your comments to these questions and any other input you may have is not only welcome but valued. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: goalie closeouts (fwd) Date: 26 May 1997 21:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Just forwarding this to the list, in case anyone is interested-- > > check the goalie equipment closeouts at http://planetsports.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick McCullough Subject: Re: Goalie Ma$ks Date: 27 May 1997 08:38:29 -0700 >Can anyone recommend a more budget conscious HECC >approved goalie mask and where to order it? So far Heaton and KOHO are the >winners with HECC approved masks for around $225.00... >Pinching those pennies, >Jeff #29 I've got a Reidic mask that I like quite a bit. It's Swedish and sold here by Source for Sports (1800 380 4570). It's supposedly stronger than the Kevlar masks and only costs around $300. It's the most popular mask in Europe (they say). It also has the unique feature of being somewhat custom. The shell is a standard shape but the foam pads are removable. So you bake them (really) for a few minutes in the oven, stick them in your helmet (they have velcro) and push it down on your head. The warms pads will conform to the nooks and crannies of your noggin. It sounds weird the way I've described it but it's really not. It's a pretty good idea. Anywho, I've taken pucks all over this hat, and only once did it bother me (I turned my head to the side and took a slap shot flush over the ear. Not smart and not to be repeated). For the money, I don't think you can beat this one. Dick McCullough, President MACRO Consulting, Inc. http://www.macroinc.com dick@macroinc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: Goalie Ma$ks Date: 27 May 1997 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT) >>Can anyone recommend a more budget conscious HECC >>approved goalie mask and where to order it? So far Heaton and KOHO are the >>winners with HECC approved masks for around $225.00... >>Pinching those pennies, >>Jeff #29 > Jeff I have the VanVelden which is about $200. This has been a very good mask for me. It comes with either the HECC cage or a cats-eye cage, same price. It is a fiberglass mask with kevlar reinforcement. I've never been hurt wearing this mask and I've taken a few hard shots with it. It is available at Source for Sports Lnodon (1-800-380-4570) and Don Simmons Sports(1-905-871-6913). Good luck. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOCKEY6688@aol.com Subject: Re: Rust on skates Date: 27 May 1997 14:21:03 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-21 08:00:40 EDT, you write: > Hi all, > > I know this came up on the list a while back, but I wasn't playing ice > hockey then so I didn't pay much attention to it. I was just wondering how > to prevent those little rust spots from appearing on the skate blades the > day after a game. Right now, after every game I dry the blades with a dry > hockey sock and lay them out, blades up, with the rest of my equipment in > front of a fan. I was just wondering if there's something I'm missing > 'cause these rust spots tend to take the edge off the blade very fast. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > Dave > I use a washcloth which has a small amount of lightweight oil on it (I use WD-40) every time I dry my skate blades. It wirks great because the WD-40 coats the blade & keeps the water off of it. And, what little water you might miss when you dry the blade does NOT cause the blade to rust; the oil repells the water until the blade air-dries. Just use a VERY small amount of WD-40 sprayed onto the cloth (don't spray the blade, that won't work) and keep the cloth with your skates. You only have to reapply the oil to the cloth about twice a year; like I said, a very small amount will do the job nicely. -- James McElfresh - Goalie #15 - Houston, TX -- GAA: a depressingly large 6.66 Email: HOCKEY6688@aol.com http://members.aol.com/hockey6688/temphome.htm "Hmmm...why do we call it a "puck"? Probably because the name "Lil' Bastard" was already taken." - Andy Moog Actual Pepperidge Farm cake box: "Serving size: 1/8 of cake. Servings: About 8." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Hand eye coordination Date: 27 May 1997 23:27:34 +0200 >2... Every day, I do stretching and eye hand / foot >coordination >exercies. JT, what are the excersise you use? If it isn't to much of a hassel to explain them that is :) Thanks! Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Goalie Ma$ks Date: 27 May 1997 18:28:05 -0400 At 08:38 AM 5/27/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Can anyone recommend a more budget conscious HECC >>approved goalie mask and where to order it? So far Heaton and KOHO are the >>winners with HECC approved masks for around $225.00... >>Pinching those pennies, >>Jeff #29 > >I've got a Reidic mask that I like quite a bit. It's Swedish and sold here >by Source for Sports (1800 380 4570). It's supposedly stronger than the >Kevlar masks and only costs around $300. It's the most popular mask in >Europe (they say). It also has the unique feature of being somewhat >custom. The shell is a standard shape but the foam pads are removable. So >you bake them (really) for a few minutes in the oven, stick them in your >helmet (they have velcro) and push it down on your head. The warms pads >will conform to the nooks and crannies of your noggin. It sounds weird the >way I've described it but it's really not. It's a pretty good idea. >Anywho, I've taken pucks all over this hat, and only once did it bother me >(I turned my head to the side and took a slap shot flush over the ear. Not >smart and not to be repeated). For the money, I don't think you can beat >this one. I have also seen this mask, and its very possible that we can get them as well... since I know the person responsible for bringing them to Canada. They appear to be made well... although I am a little hesitant on something that goes in the oven, but indeed they are very popular in Europe... so they must work! If I can get these masks I will let you know... I have to talk with Jukka when his family moves to Rochester later this week from Finland, so I should know early next week... > >Dick McCullough, President >MACRO Consulting, Inc. >http://www.macroinc.com >dick@macroinc.com > > > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: Re: Hand eye coordination Date: 27 May 1997 18:45:55 -0400 At 11:27 PM 5/27/97 +0200, you wrote: >>2... Every day, I do stretching and eye hand / foot >coordination >>exercies. > JT, what are the excersise you use? If it isn't to much of a hassel to >explain them that is :) > Thanks! > Adam #35 > > A great one to do is to get one person to throw a tennis balls at you(on or off the ice), the tennis balls having either letters or numbers on them. As you react to make the save, you yell out the number or letter that you see on the ball(this one does take some practice!). Another one is to set up sticks horizontally. A person in front of you holds up fingers, or signs with letters/numbers, and as you skate side-ways, jumping over the sticks, you yell out the number of fingers the person is holding up or what you see on the sign. If you don't have another person to work with, you can always just put letters/numbers on a tennis ball and bounce it off a wall. As you move to catch the ball off the wall, yell out the number/letter. -Shannon ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shannon "Dead Head" Perkins - #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576 "We are the sort of people who make health insurance popular." - Terry Sawchuk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: Getting into the leagues Date: 28 May 1997 10:38:46 -0700 Ok, so how does a person who is already 24 years old, and has no NCAA hockey teams nearby go about getting noticed by a minor league team? Are there usually open tryouts? Should I try to get into a local A or B league? And how much do they pay in the minors? Anyone know? (I'm in Seattle, so I guess I coulda just called the Thunderbirds and asked, but I wanted a wider scope of answers.) -Berg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: Getting into the leagues Date: 29 May 1997 00:43:36 -0400 On Wed, 28 May 1997, Dan Scherck wrote: > Ok, so how does a person who is already 24 years old, and has no NCAA hockey > teams nearby go about getting noticed by a minor league team? Are there usually > open tryouts? Should I try to get into a local A or B league? And how much do they > pay in the minors? Anyone know? (I'm in Seattle, so I guess I coulda just called the > Thunderbirds and asked, but I wanted a wider scope of answers.) > > -Berg > Some minor pro teams hold open tryouts. There are a bunch going on here in Toronto right now. If I thought I had the conditioning, I'd go. I won't make it, but hey, if I was in shape at least I could say I gave it a good go. -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Resty L Aspuria Subject: World hockey league Date: 29 May 1997 01:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Has anyone heard of the new World Rollerhockey League that is starting up? All I've heard so far is that there are a couple of teams forming (one or two in Europe, two in the States, and I think two in Canada). I also 'heard' that they are having tryout ($100.00 US) and if you don't make it, your name and evaluation (I guess) stay on record with the league until the following year. Has anyone heard more?? Or am I just spreading rumors? Resty Aspuria University of California, Santa Barbara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alfonso@parkerhunter.com (Tony Alfonso) Subject: Skate Sharpening Date: 29 May 1997 13:17:01 +0000 Does anybody know of a company that sells portable skate sharpening machines that can accomidate a goal skate? I currently wear Reidell G-700 skates and have them done at a 1 3/4 radius (hollow). All of the portable machines I have found so far can only go to 1 1/4 radius. Additionally, does anyone know of a way to put the edge back on between sharpenings. I get my skates sharpened about every 4 months (I play 2 times a week). I have heard of cylindrical honing stones for inside the hollow but have not been able to find them. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Tony Regards, Tony Anthony L. Alfonso Parker/Hunter Incorporated 600 Grant Street, 31st Floor Pittsburgh, PA 15219 Phone: 412-562-8004 Fax: 412-562-7843 e-mail: alfonso@parkerhunter.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: RE: Getting into the leagues Date: 29 May 1997 10:42:56 -0700 ----------> Some minor pro teams hold open tryouts. There are a bunch going on here in Toronto right now. If I thought I had the conditioning, I'd go. I won't make it, but hey, if I was in shape at least I could say I gave it a good go. Wow! Thanks for all the info folks. I've mostly just been tossing the idea around, and wanted to know if it would even be financially feasable. Or even realistif for my age. Am I too old to think about minors? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JMdog@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalie fighters / Grant Fuhr Date: 29 May 1997 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT) hey look up don cherry on the internet. he is a god and like it or not hockey fans - he tells it like it is. gotta love the man! if any of you watch cbc's molson hockey night in canada you know what i mean! maybe grapes is the real reasons canucks know the real score! zac scott battram- where's the beer!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffv@interlog.com Subject: Beginning Goalie Date: 29 May 1997 23:04:06 -0400 I have been playing adult recreational hockey as a forword and defenceman for a few years now.Next year I am going to play goal,the position I always wanted to play.The only experience I have as a goalie is from playing ball hockey as a kid.I don't really know what to expect,so I would appreciate any advice. One of the first things I was wondering about was sharpening skates,people have been suggesting all different hollows to me and some have suggested cross cutting.I don't know which is best.This is just one of about a thousand questions I have,so I would appreciate advice on ANY topic for a beginning goalie. Thanks, Jeff Verbian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ed Hughes" Subject: Re: Beginning Goalie Date: 30 May 1997 15:13:21 -0600 Hi, My first piece of advice is have fun! This newsgroup has a lot of people with a wide range of experience and most willing to offer some advice. Once you get a little experience you will start to ask some more direct questions, but in the mean time try to get equipment that is suitable for your level of play (i.e. Cost vs. function). I have spent a good deal of money on my equipment for the following reasons: Some of the leagues I play in have a few ex-pro from the NHL, ECHL and other leagues and several NCAA division and I want to be protected. Unless a goaltender is on a deathwish, it is hard to play well if you are worried about getting hurt. I know, that's how I started out with the left over equipment. The second reason for my "investment" is because I love the game and plan to play for a while and want improve my game where I can. As with any sport, you don't need the best to play, but improvements in equipment can mean improvements in your game. So, try to talk to some current goalies in your league and ask what they wear and what they think. Then perhaps you can borrow or buy some used equipment until you get familiar with that position and decide what is best for you. You asked about getting skates sharpend. I used have my skates sharpened once or twice a year with as flat a grind as possible. The last few years a friend of mine that play ECHL and Div I plays with quite a deep hallow. Ever since I tried that my game improved a alot. It was a tough adjustment initially trying to slide from side to side, but once I got comfortable with this I was able to skate much faster as I didn't lose anything in my stride. In other words, my skates dug into the ice. I must admit though, I have probably taken as far as it can go as I skate with a 1/2" or 7/16" hallow depending on the ice I am skaing on and the time of year. I also get my skates sharpened about every 4 to 6 hours on the ice with a slight rokcer over the ball of the foot. That hollow and frequency of sharpening is what some forwars will do. It may sound crazy, but in most non-professional & non-coached leagues I have played in I get lots of break aways. When I am able to come out and challenge a shooter and out skate him as I back up towards the crease it can make the difference in being decient & lucky then being good & helping force the luck to go your way. If you have already played out, then you probably know what it is like to have sharp skates, just not a flat rocker. So it may not be too tough a transition to play with sharper skates. Most goalies play with a much duller skate then forwards and do just fine. You will need to experiment till you find what you like just I thought you might like a different prespective. Be careful, goaltending can be an expensive addicition! Good luck, Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Cubberly Date: 30 May 1997 18:41:26 -0400 (EDT) I guess I misunderstood a message I got from Ed Cubberly regarding his masks...evidently Ed's fine goalie masks are each custom made for the wearer...I musta been coming down from a Tequila hangover when I posted that refinished masks were available from Cubberly. Ed tells me this just aint so...so there ya have it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: NEW STUFF!!! Date: 30 May 1997 22:50:57 -0400 Hi goalies... As we always strive to produce the best equipment possible... we are constantly searching for ways to improve our gear... This week, we stumbled upon a way to reduce the weight of equipment by almost 1/2 of what the current weight is now... Although, we really do not want to say how we do this, we can tell you it dropped the weight of our blocker from about 2.2 lbs down to about 1.75lb the catcher went from about 3lbs to 2lbs if that... While at the same time using the same materials and maintaining the same level of protection... This will also work in the goal pads, so I can hardly wait to do a set up next week... We will be making a set of inline pads and gloves for professional player, so it will be interesting to see the weight reductions on the inline gear... unfortunately, we cannot put the BATTRAM logo on the equipment due to contracts with other companies.. but our stuff will be seen in the pros... Next year look for possibly an AHL goalie to have some gear... and maybe an IHL goalie as well... I am also working on getting the digital pictures of our new stuff ready.. I will put it on the web page since so many have asked to see it.. it will be alot easier than emailing... I will do the pics up on the weekend... If you have any questions, just email us... and remember we are always looking for new ideas.. so if you have any... let us know! Thanks again for your support. Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: Beginning Goalie Date: 31 May 1997 01:39:02 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-30 21:21:47 EDT, you write: << Be careful, goaltending can be an expensive addicition! >> HI Ed.. You got that right... But the best adivce is have fun... Where are most of us going in hockey "the bar after the game".. CHRIS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: NEW STUFF!!! Date: 31 May 1997 11:11:06 PDT (Sat) Scott, You wrote: > unfortunately, we cannot put the BATTRAM logo on the > equipment due to contracts with other companies.. but our stuff will be > seen in the pros... Next year look for possibly an AHL goalie to have some > gear... and maybe an IHL goalie as well... So what is the scoop on the logos? I understand that there's an up-front fee that a company must pay the NHL to display their logo on a player. I had heard it was $10K, and I've also heard that it had something to do with a deal Grant Fuhr had made with Pepsi to show a logo during the All-Star game some time back. Is that a yearly fee? So if Mike Richter or Patrick Roy decided they wanted to use Battram gear, you still would not come up with the 10K? Curious in San Jose, - Chuck Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: NEW STUFF!!! Date: 31 May 1997 14:19:40 -0400 On Fri, 30 May 1997, Scott Battram wrote: > This will also work in the goal pads, so I can hardly wait to do a set up > next week... We will be making a set of inline pads and gloves for > professional player, so it will be interesting to see the weight reductions > on the inline gear... unfortunately, we cannot put the BATTRAM logo on the > equipment due to contracts with other companies.. but our stuff will be > seen in the pros... Next year look for possibly an AHL goalie to have some > gear... and maybe an IHL goalie as well... > > I will do the pics up on the weekend... > Scott..when you get the pro stuff done, could you tell us who got it done and maybe provide some pics? That way I can look for it on tv and stuff. -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Yank! :( Date: 31 May 1997 23:43:03 +0200 I have another question for everybody. Who decides if you get pulled from a game (most of the time)? I keep hearing (Swe) commentators saying "well I guess he doesn't want to play any more" or the like when a goalie gets pulled. But isn't it the coach's call? I can understand if it is a blow out of 9 or so that one might want to step off. But usually I would think one would want to play on to revenge oneself. Thanks for all the training tips! Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Yank! :( Date: 31 May 1997 18:07:06 -0400 At 11:43 PM 5/31/97 +0200, you wrote: >I have another question for everybody. Who decides if you get pulled from a >game (most of the time)? I keep hearing (Swe) commentators saying "well I >guess he doesn't want to play any more" or the like when a goalie gets >pulled. But isn't it the coach's call? I can understand if it is a blow out >of 9 or so that one might want to step off. But usually I would think one >would want to play on to revenge oneself. > Thanks for all the training tips! > Adam #35 > > > > This depends on the level you are playing at... In the NHL, if a goalie knows he is playing bad... the coach would rather him come out right away, so most will appreciate it if the goalie lets them know they want out... But keep in mind... these guys are competetive... and they know if they come out, and the other guy is hot... they may sit for a bit... so its a hard call. Ultimately, the coach holds the power to make the decision. My rule is, 2 easy goals in a row get the goalie outta the net, they obviously are not ready to play. Sometimes, even if the goals are not bad, pulling the goalie helps the team as it sends them a message... teams will also play better if a weaker goalie is in the net... they know if the goalie is strong, they can slack a bit, and the goalie will save them... Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram