From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: heading for the bench Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:51:06 -0700 In big-league hockey, where linesmen call icing and offsides and referees call penalties, a goalie can pretty much count on his team having a delayed power play when his team has the puck and the referee's arm stays up. At our level, with just two equal zebras, it's a bit trickier to tell a delayed power play from icing. I asked one ref about this after a recent game, and he said "Well, we usually yell "Ice" or "Icing". Unfortunately, they don't *always* yell that and, when they do, the goalie can't always hear it when separated by 200 feet and a helmet. So, my question: in a two-zebra league, does anyone risk heading for the bench on a (suspected) delayed power play? -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:59:46 -0400 At 05:51 PM 7/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >In big-league hockey, where linesmen call icing and offsides and >referees call penalties, a goalie can pretty much count on his team >having a delayed power play when his team has the puck and the referee's >arm stays up. At our level, with just two equal zebras, >it's a bit trickier to tell a delayed power play from icing. I asked >one ref about this after a recent game, and he said "Well, we usually >yell "Ice" or "Icing". Unfortunately, they don't *always* yell that and, >when they do, the goalie can't always hear it when separated by 200 feet >and a helmet. > >So, my question: in a two-zebra league, does anyone risk heading for the >bench on a (suspected) delayed power play? > >-- > >Ed Rush >currently contracting for Active Software, >3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. > >mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) >mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) >http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) >http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) > > > I always thought the ref would use the left arm for icing, and the right one for calling penalties??? At least thats what some do up here in Canada while working a two man system... Plus, you shouldnt be heading for the bench until you know it is the opposition who has the penalty... so, if your team has possession of the puck, and the play is still going on and the ref has his hand up.. its a pretty sure bet a delayed penalty is happening! Just pay attention to the plays, and you should be ok! And dont leave for the bench until you are certain about the penalty... Also trust your teamates to help you out on the bench too! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 02 Jul 1997 18:07:16 -0700 Sure, at least for roller hockey, different rinks have different rules. From my understanding of the league that I play in, the puck pretty much has to go the whole distance of the surface. Therefore it's pretty easy to tell if it's icing or not. Also, if you're watching the play, you should be able to see something the might be construed as a penalty; and if the ref's arm goes up... head for the bench. Tal >In big-league hockey, where linesmen call icing and offsides and >referees call penalties, a goalie can pretty much count on his team >having a delayed power play when his team has the puck and the referee's >arm stays up. At our level, with just two equal zebras, >it's a bit trickier to tell a delayed power play from icing. I asked >one ref about this after a recent game, and he said "Well, we usually >yell "Ice" or "Icing". Unfortunately, they don't *always* yell that and, >when they do, the goalie can't always hear it when separated by 200 feet >and a helmet. > >So, my question: in a two-zebra league, does anyone risk heading for the >bench on a (suspected) delayed power play? > >-- > >Ed Rush >currently contracting for Active Software, >3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. > >mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) >mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) >http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) >http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: rehab of radial nerve palsy Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, I wrote in a few weeks ago about a nerve injury to my right arm. It's in a splint (removable) now and getting better faster than the neurologist expected. I'm wondering about some possible exercises as he said it was Ok to start working the fingers (but he still won't let me play hockey). I've had carpal tunnel syndrome but it only lasted a few days and I have to be careful about working the muscles back without reinjuring the nerve. Also should I be playing in a minor splint for awhile when I start on the ice again to protect the nerves? If i wreck it again he said i could be out for up to 3 more months! Thanks for any suggestions, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: rehab of radial nerve palsy Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:15:10 -0700 > I'm wondering about some possible exercises as he said it was > Ok to start working the fingers (but he still won't let me play > hockey). I've had carpal tunnel syndrome but it only lasted a > few days and I have to be careful ... First, I would clear any specific exercise with the doctor or chiropractor. I had something similar to carpal tunnel syndrome recently, with tendon apparently popping out of its channel, and my chiropractor gave me a very reasonably priced piece of exercise equipment -- a rubber band. Wrap it around all five fingers, then expand them 10 or 20 times. I've worked with a squeezing ball before, which works one side of finger muscles, but I'd never worked the other side. For me, it's a good exercise. Your mileage may vary. > Also should I be playing in a minor splint for awhile when I start on > the ice again to protect the nerves? Ask the doctor! If you protect it too much, it will heal more slowly but more surely. If you don't proect it enough, well, you said it. I had my wrist in a brace when I went to the chiropractor. He told me of a study showing (1) that immobilizing such an injury causes less pain, as the joint is not free to move in the painful direction, but (2) that immobilized joints also heal more slowly and with more scar tissue. (Movement helps to remove it as it forms.) -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) 408-969-5643 (current day phone) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: Heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 02:51:41 -0700 > I screamed at the ref, and he tried to explain > that he changed his mind. That was the closest I ever came to > hitting a ref. Changed his mind??? One of the first things they team you at any sport's officiating school is that you never change your mind, no matter whether you're wrong. -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) 408-969-5643 (current day phone) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Br3166@aol.com Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 07:34:05 -0400 (EDT) One poster suggested that a goalie can watch which arm the ref uses regarding whether there's a penalty or icing about to be called; that's dangerous and not universally taught. In the referee seminars I've attended, the young ref's are instructed never to raise their "whistle" arm - obviously because if it's raised they can't use the whistle "gracefully"..... The poster's advice to "stay in the game" and realize the situation is probably the best advice - on an icing, the back official in a 2 man system raises his arm to start the potential call, the front man keeps his down until the call is to be made. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 11:16:38 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Organization: Active Software So, my question: in a two-zebra league, does anyone risk heading for the bench on a (suspected) delayed power play? For me, it depends strongly on who is reffing the game. I try to learn throughout the season which refs are consistent and more knowledgeable and which are really just doing this as a way to make some extra spending money without really caring how they do. If it's a seasoned ref that I know and I know he doesn't change his mind in mid-call, then Imay head to the bench. Unfortunately, in the beer leagues, there are a lot of refs who don't take it as seriously as they should and therefore are not consistent - their reffing reflects their mood of the day. However, there a re also some very very good ones who are extremely consistent and have read the rule book cover to cover. Here in Ann Arbor, MI I feel we are very fortunate ot have many excellent refs. With better refs, I feel like I can take a few more chances. Patty #33 -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: Heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 08:32:38 PDT (Thu) OK, I have a response, and two "changed his/her mind" war stories. The original question of whether a goalie is ever fooled and leaves the ice on what is not really a delayed penalty. This is not a problem on icing. When a ref's arm is up, I always wait to see who touches the puck before heading for the bench. On icing, unless you're playing Juniors or NCAA, nobody touches the puck, so there can never be ambiguity. However, on a delayed offsides, it can be confusing. If it's in your zone, your team will have the puck trying to break out. Wait until the puck crosses the blue line, which is a good idea anyway. I won't abandon my net, even if I'm certain it's a real delayed penalty, until it's out of the zone. I've made one too many saves on errant passes from my own team to take any such chance. I have, however, left the net twice on delayed off sides. One time was way back when, and it was a total disaster, goal scored on an empty net and I am still embarassed. The other was just last year, and the ref looked at me and said "off-sides". I turned around and went back. After thinking about it, I had a lot of respect for his action. I think that was the right thing to do, and I promised myself I'd do it the same way as a ref. It's an ambiguous signal, and there's nothing wrong with disambiguating it with a verbal call. Now, the war stories. I was dressing to ref a game, and was idly watching the squirt game that preceeded mine. It was being reffed by a Bantam age boy and a Pee Wee age boy. The younger kid had his hand up for a penalty (not icing or delayed off sides), and the non-offending team pulled their goalie. The play continued for more than a couple of seconds, and finally the offending team got control of the puck. To everyone's surprise, no whistle. The ref had dropped his hand. So now the offending team was breaking out toward an empty net. The coach, in what I thought was a stroke of genius, told his bench "everyone on the ice". The entire team poured over the boards, attacked the puck and stopped the play, and finally, a whistle blew. After a "discussion", the ref admitted that he lost track of which player had been involved in the infraction. After due deliberation, they imposed the original penalty on the original offending team, and the game resumed. Second war story: ref signals a delayed penalty, visiting team pulls their goal tender, home team touches the puck, whistle. Ref imposes penalty on _VISITING_ team. Yikes. The most interesting part of this situation was the game: the gold medal game of the Women's World Championships at Kitchener between Team USA and Team Canada. - Chuck Collins cpc@chkpt.COM > Howdy: > > >Plus, you shouldnt be heading for the bench until you know it is the > >opposition who has the penalty... so, if your team has possession of > the > >puck, and the play is still going on and the ref has his hand up.. its > a > >pretty sure bet a delayed penalty is happening! > > Don't be too sure. When I was playing at MSU, I was watching the > refs, and our guys held the puck into the zone with the ref's arm up. > Knowing it was a penalty on them, I headed for the bench. However, once > I sat down, the ref put his arm down, and the other team got the puck, > and skated towards the empty net! I scrambled towards the net, but they > were called offsides. I screamed at the ref, and he tried to explain > that he changed his mind. That was the closest I ever came to hitting a > ref. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 12:22:47 -0400 At 07:34 AM 7/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >One poster suggested that a goalie can watch which arm the ref uses regarding >whether there's a penalty or icing about to be called; that's dangerous and >not universally taught. In the referee seminars I've attended, the young >ref's are instructed never to raise their "whistle" arm - obviously because >if it's raised they can't use the whistle "gracefully"..... > Hehehe... one person picked up on the joke anyway!! I once saw a ref do just that... raised the whistle arm, and then went to blow it down.... and boy did he ever look stupid!! glad you are paying attention, I was surprised no one else picked up on it... >The poster's advice to "stay in the game" and realize the situation is >probably the best advice - on an icing, the back official in a 2 man system >raises his arm to start the potential call, the front man keeps his down >until the call is to be made. > > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Langevin" Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 11:04:22 -0700 What I don't get is how can it be tricky to tell the difference between icing and delayed penalties? Icing can only be called when no one can touch the puck (and in most two ref systems, there's no-touch icing, so even if you leave the net, it's moot) and it's launched the length of the ice. Plus, on an icing call, the back ref should have his arm up, and the other should be skating down the ice, ready to blow his whistle...I know this isn't always the case. >In big-league hockey, where linesmen call icing and offsides and >referees call penalties, a goalie can pretty much count on his team >having a delayed power play when his team has the puck and the referee's >arm stays up. At our level, with just two equal zebras, >it's a bit trickier to tell a delayed power play from icing. I asked >one ref about this after a recent game, and he said "Well, we usually >yell "Ice" or "Icing". Unfortunately, they don't *always* yell that and, >when they do, the goalie can't always hear it when separated by 200 feet >and a helmet. >So, my question: in a two-zebra league, does anyone risk heading for the >bench on a (suspected) delayed power play? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lambert Subject: Crease URL Change Date: 03 Jul 1997 17:04:08 -0400 Just thought I would notify the list members that The Goalie's Crease URL has changed to http://users.ids.net/~paumic/TheCrease/ . Please change your link pages and bookmarks. Thank you. Chris Lambert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rosser, Tim A." Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 14:54:00 -0500 The other thing to remember on icing, if the puck goes through the crease, the icing is waved off. Also, if you have a good pair of referee's, the back offical will callout 'ICING' to let the lead offical know that there is an icing possibility. ------ REPLY FROM: Rosser, Tim A. Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note Priority: 3 Message ID: 8BD85D27C1F3D011910500A02461FF2A ------ What I don't get is how can it be tricky to tell the difference between icing and delayed penalties? Icing can only be called when no one can touch the puck (and in most two ref systems, there's no-touch icing, so even if you leave the net, it's moot) and it's launched the length of the ice. Plus, on an icing call, the back ref should have his arm up, and the other should be skating down the ice, ready to blow his whistle...I know this isn't always the case. >In big-league hockey, where linesmen call icing and offsides and >referees call penalties, a goalie can pretty much count on his team >having a delayed power play when his team has the puck and the referee's >arm stays up. At our level, with just two equal zebras, >it's a bit trickier to tell a delayed power play from icing. I asked >one ref about this after a recent game, and he said "Well, we usually >yell "Ice" or "Icing". Unfortunately, they don't *always* yell that and, >when they do, the goalie can't always hear it when separated by 200 feet >and a helmet. >So, my question: in a two-zebra league, does anyone risk heading for the >bench on a (suspected) delayed power play? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 03 Jul 1997 16:28:53 -0700 > >... instructed never to raise their "whistle" arm - obviously > >because if it's raised they can't use the whistle "gracefully"... That's an excellent point. In fact, I notice in the USA Hockey rules book (cited below) that most of the signal definitions make a point of keeping the whistle hand free. Now, speaking of looking stupid, I said "icing" in my original question. Yes, when the puck comes down to my end all by its lonesome, that's an excellent clue. I should have said "delayed offsides". THAT's the one where the arm goes up but does not mean it's safe for the goalie to leave. ("I'm not really a stupid person; I just play one on TV.") Scott said: > ... so, if your team has possession of the > puck, and the play is still going on and the ref has his hand up.. its a > pretty sure bet a delayed penalty is happening! Or a delayed offsides, in which case we *don't* want to leave. > Also trust your teamates to help you out on the bench too! That is an excellent suggestion. I'll discuss it with my teammates. (Of course, we *are* all fair newbies.) From the bench, they can see the far blue line much better than I can. Patty said: > Unfortunately, in the beer > leagues, there are a lot of refs who don't take it as seriously as > they should and therefore are not consistent - their reffing reflects > their mood of the day. That sounds like most of the NHL referees! (Seriously, I've often seen more consistent refereeing in San Jose State University games than in the NHL.) ______________________ USA Hockey rules book: (http://www.usahockey.com/rulebook/node7.htm#SECTION00030000000000000000) ______________________ Delayed Calling of a Penalty: The non-whistle hand is extended straight above the head. Delaying the Game (USA Hockey and NCAA): The non-whistle hand, palm open, is placed ... Elbowing: Tapping the elbow of the whistle hand with the opposite hand. Goal Scored: A single point, with the non-whistle hand, ... Hand Pass: The non-whistle hand (open hand) and arm ... Holding: Clasping the wrist of the whistle hand ... Icing: ... When the puck is shot or deflected in such a manner as to produce a possible icing situation, the back linesman will signal to his partner by raising his non-whistle hand over his head... Kneeing: A single tap of the knee (non-whistle side) with the non-whistle hand, ... Delayed Offsides: The non-whistle hand is extended straight above the head (NCAA: and the whistle hand is extended out in front of the chest, forming an ``L'' with the non-whistle hand). ... Roughing: With the non-whistle hand, one punching motion to the side with the arm extending from the shoulder. Slashing: One chop with the non-whistle hand across the straightened forearm of the other hand. Tripping: Strike the side of the knee (non-whistle side) and ... -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 04 Jul 1997 08:48:36 -0400 (EDT) I have a good story for heading to the bench, well I wasn't suposed to.. The night before my coach yelled at me cause I wasn't paying attention to him, He was calling me off for a delayed penalty.. So the next day I was paying attetion, well it was a delayed offside penalty.. He was yelling clear and I thought it was Chris.. How I mixed them up... I'll never know... But I get all the way to the bench, and both coach's look at me, what are you doing, I yell, it's not a penalty.. So then two of their girls break away with the puck, I dart back to the crease.. I saw them take a shot so I dove to the creasse, I eneded up taking the net out..... I'm lucky I didn't get a penaly shot for that....... But they didn't score.. And that game had to be away, I drove with both coach's that game... What a long 1 1/2 that was going home.. This kind of penalty has to be harder to judge leaving the crease or not.. I bet most of the goalies on the list are in men's league.. Witch their are no coach's on the bench, So we have to trust everyone on the bench, plus sometimes in the men's league they are not always paying attention and you skate all the way to the bench and they just look at you and have no one ready to jump out... But I like with my woman's team having two coach's to yell at you... Only if I would listen to them at the right time, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: heading for the bench Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:03:41 -0700 GOALIEBABE@aol.com wrote: > > ... He was yelling clear and I thought it was Chris... > dove to the creasse, I eneded up taking the net out..... I'm lucky I > didn't get a penaly shot for that....... But they didn't score.. Congrats on recovering from the error. That just goes to show the danger of depending on yelled commands. When my team talked about leaving the crease in the last minute of the game, we agreed that someone on the bench would use the "come on" arm signal -- not a voice -- as the sign for me to be replaced by a sixth attacker > ... no coach's on the bench, So we have to trust everyone on > the bench, ... Yep. -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) 408-969-5643 (current day phone) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: heading for the bench Date: 05 Jul 1997 10:12:09 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Organization: Active Software Patty said: > Unfortunately, in the beer > leagues, there are a lot of refs who don't take it as seriously as > they should and therefore are not consistent - their reffing reflects > their mood of the day. That sounds like most of the NHL referees! (Seriously, I've often seen more consistent refereeing in San Jose State University games than in the NHL.) Yeah, some non-NHL refs are great, but I've had some that have blown the whistle and left the ice to go to the concession stand to get a coke. Any one of us would have gladly shared our water bottle (despite the germ factor) as opposed to having our game delayed while he got a coke and flirted with the girl at the counter....I've also had others miss calls like icings that were blatant becasue they were too busy talking to a coach on the bench and not watching the game (that is one of the very rare times I yell at refs - they're paid to watch the game, not chat with the coach!). But, like yousay, there are also a lot of good ones. We have some great ones inAnn Arbor that are consistent and also very approachable if you have a question. Plus there are a few you can joke around with and have fun (such as the one I had in a springleague game - play was in our end and all of sudden I hear his voice saying "I'm standing over here with my skate angled towards the net....." - it was pretty funny. I didn't know San Jose State had a team. Cool. Patty #33 ______________________ USA Hockey rules book: (http://www.usahockey.com/rulebook/node7.htm#SECTION00030000000000000000) ______________________ Delayed Calling of a Penalty: The non-whistle hand is extended straight above the head. Delaying the Game (USA Hockey and NCAA): The non-whistle hand, palm open, is placed ... Elbowing: Tapping the elbow of the whistle hand with the opposite hand. Goal Scored: A single point, with the non-whistle hand, ... Hand Pass: The non-whistle hand (open hand) and arm ... Holding: Clasping the wrist of the whistle hand ... Icing: ... When the puck is shot or deflected in such a manner as to produce a possible icing situation, the back linesman will signal to his partner by raising his non-whistle hand over his head... Kneeing: A single tap of the knee (non-whistle side) with the non-whistle hand, ... Delayed Offsides: The non-whistle hand is extended straight above the head (NCAA: and the whistle hand is extended out in front of the chest, forming an ``L'' with the non-whistle hand). ... Roughing: With the non-whistle hand, one punching motion to the side with the arm extending from the shoulder. Slashing: One chop with the non-whistle hand across the straightened forearm of the other hand. Tripping: Strike the side of the knee (non-whistle side) and ... -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Kirk McLean Date: 05 Jul 1997 18:32:48 +0100 Hi all, Does anyone know what mask Captain Kirk wears?? His mask seems to be almost covering his entire face barr his eyes!! VERY cool!! C-Ya...Alan Alan MacLean GM Coyotes-----CIHL E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com Home Page:-http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/terreri/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Resty L Aspuria Subject: Injured knee Date: 05 Jul 1997 23:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Okay everybody, I ended up injuring the one part of the human body that is most vunerable, the knee. I butterflied to make a save and the 6 foot + 200 lbs + guy ran into me. It was an accident of course, but it still hurt pretty badly. I played the rest of the game, stand-up of course, and later that evening, it hurt a little, but in the morning I could barely walk. It's been a week now and I can walk, it still hurts a little turning, and it gets sore if in one position for a long time. Anyway, my question is, how to treat my knee so that it gets better, and stronger, also what types of exercises are good for the knee(stretches, warm-ups to do and to avoid, etc). Oh yeah, is there a way to protect the knee from this kind of injury (a certain way to kick out the legs when getting run into, a different butterfly style???) Any help would be appreciated, I'd like to start playing again after I heal, but I want to speed up the process. Resty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: Injured knee Date: 06 Jul 1997 03:43:40 -0400 (EDT) When I injured my knee, I just started walking to strengthen it up a little bit. Then gradually I worked out with some lifts with my dad's soloflex. Even though it still hurts a little bit sometime, I'll just walk it off. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Solar Bear" Subject: Re: Injured knee Date: 06 Jul 1997 13:15:28 -0500 I'm in the process of trying to recover from cartilage damage and loss and have not been able to play in over 6 months, only partly hockey related- the rest work and previous injury related. My ortho won't let me play competitively yet (he knows how "you hockey players are when you're injured, you don't want to stop.") but he is letting me skate to strengthen the knee. He has me doing exercises that are designed to work specifically on strengthening the muscles, tendons and ligaments around the knee-cap without bending the knee. These include tensing and holding the thigh muscles for 1 minute (3 sets 4 times a day) and, straight leg raises (lying on back with other leg bent, 40 each leg). The raises will progress to add 5 lb. weights. He hasn't said that I will never play again though. If it really hurts and makes walking and/or playing difficult, go to the Dr. Don't wait almost a year like I did. At best the exercises and anti-inflammatory drugs will work and I can play again soon, at worst I'm looking at surgery and not playing again until next year. Donna Solar Bear #30 Graduate 1992 Ron Hextall School of Goaltending Our motto: "Call as many penalties as you want, someone else has to sit." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: Injured knee Date: 06 Jul 1997 20:11:12 -0700 (PDT) At 11:59 PM 7/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >Okay everybody, I ended up injuring the one part of the human body that is >most vunerable, the knee. I butterflied to make a save and the 6 foot + >200 lbs + guy ran into me. It was an accident of course, but it still >hurt pretty badly. I played the rest of the game, stand-up of course, and >later that evening, it hurt a little, but in the morning I could barely >walk. It's been a week now and I can walk, it still hurts a little >turning, and it gets sore if in one position for a long time. Anyway, my >question is, how to treat my knee so that it gets better, and stronger, >also what types of exercises are good for the knee(stretches, warm-ups to >do and to avoid, etc). Oh yeah, is there a way to protect the knee from >this kind of injury (a certain way to kick out the legs when getting run >into, a different butterfly style???) > >Any help would be appreciated, I'd like to start playing again after I >heal, but I want to speed up the process. > >Resty > > > > > > Resty You might want to consider investing in a pair of knee braces, with hinges. These restrict movement of the knee to the side such as you might have experienced. They are usually used by football players to prevent injuries and have worked very well for me in this regard. Goalies with legs out in the split or butterfly position are vulnerable to having someone fall on their knee and injure it in the same fashion a football player is by a block or hit to the side of the knee. I've been wearing them for about 15 years and credit them with saving my knees several times. At around $50 (U.S.) each, they're not cheap, but they are good insurance. It's omportant to get braces with metal hinges on both sides of the knee and not just plastic stays. Good luck with your injury. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Injured knee Date: 08 Jul 1997 10:33:28 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Resty - I agree withthe responses that advocate a knee brace. I tore my ACL 2 years ago and missed a whole season, so I understand the frustration of not being able to play. Do the leg raises, etc, but make sure that you strengthen all the muscle groups around your knee - just strengthening some can make things uneven and lead to further injuries. I would recommend talking to a dr or physical therapist - all of us who have injured our knees were given exercises, but I always try to avoid giving medical advice for an injury when I'm not a licensed physician. Prescribing the wrong exercises, regardless of the good intent, can cause more harm than good. Your best bet is to seek medical advice - there may be more damage there than you realize or the dr may just tell you to rest it and use ice. But you're better spending the money now, 'cuz it will cost a lot more later if there is ligament and cartilage damage (i.e. my knee brace for my torn ACL cost $800!) Ask your dr about braces, etc. My dr. wanted me to get braces for both knees, but at $800 a pop, insurance only covers the injured one! The $50 ones that were recommended are probably a good bet. But again - check with your dr. And besides - 200 lbs of anything landing on you is going to hurt!!!! Ouch! Hope your back on your skates soon!! Patty #33 Okay everybody, I ended up injuring the one part of the human body that is most vunerable, the knee. I butterflied to make a save and the 6 foot + 200 lbs + guy ran into me. It was an accident of course, but it still hurt pretty badly. I played the rest of the game, stand-up of course, and later that evening, it hurt a little, but in the morning I could barely walk. It's been a week now and I can walk, it still hurts a little turning, and it gets sore if in one position for a long time. Anyway, my question is, how to treat my knee so that it gets better, and stronger, also what types of exercises are good for the knee(stretches, warm-ups to do and to avoid, etc). Oh yeah, is there a way to protect the knee from this kind of injury (a certain way to kick out the legs when getting run into, a different butterfly style???) Any help would be appreciated, I'd like to start playing again after I heal, but I want to speed up the process. Resty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Injured knee Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:23:33 -0700 pschoff@ta-research.com wrote: > ... I would recommend talking to a dr or physical therapist - > Prescribing the wrong exercises, regardless of > the good intent, can cause more harm than good. ,,, > there may be more damage there than you realize Amen, sister! If it still hurts badly after three days, it is probably NONtrivial and you should seek medical attention. Now. > The $50 ones that were recommended are > probably a good bet. But again - check with your dr. About 10 years ago, AFTER the doctor had assured me that nothing was broken or torn, I got one of the then-$30 braces with metal hinges and it worked well for me in a non-athletic context. It kept me from the painful twisting action and diverted the weight of my body onto the lower leg. I don't think I could be an effective goalie without having that twisting motion available, though. -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: Injured knee Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:32:39 -0700 Resty writes: Okay everybody, I ended up injuring the one part of the human body that is most vunerable, the knee. I butterflied to make a save and the 6 foot + 200 lbs + guy ran into me. hobble as fast as you can to see the nearest doctor, preferably one that specializes in sports knee injuries. demonstrate what happened, and be sure that they take x-rays of the knee. i had something similiar happen to me five, six years ago, and even though i went to the same folks who work on the san jose sharks, they did not x-ray my knee (the original diagnosis was "sprain"). consequently i wound up walking around on a partially dislocated knee for the better part of a month and a half. the final diagnosis was "torn cartilage". the pain did not stop during physical therapy, but finally abated after my chiropractor took a look at it and reseated it. to this day i wonder how much of the resultant damage was due to walking around with a partially dislocated knee and not due to the original accident. if the therapy that your doctor prescribes is not working out well (mine, for instance, wasn't, and i was desperate to get back into play) do not hesitate to see the chiropractor and find out what exercises THEY recommend. after using their training regimen, the knee hurt practically not at all, and the last two seasons i was playing i frequently forgot that i had a 'weak' knee at all! stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Injured knee Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:34:28 -0700 (PDT) >pschoff@ta-research.com wrote: >> ... I would recommend talking to a dr or physical therapist - >> Prescribing the wrong exercises, regardless of >> the good intent, can cause more harm than good. ,,, >> there may be more damage there than you realize > >Amen, sister! If it still hurts badly after three days, it is >probably NONtrivial and you should seek medical attention. Now. > >> The $50 ones that were recommended are >> probably a good bet. But again - check with your dr. > >About 10 years ago, AFTER the doctor had assured me that nothing >was broken or torn, I got one of the then-$30 braces with metal >hinges and it worked well for me in a non-athletic context. It >kept me from the painful twisting action and diverted the weight >of my body onto the lower leg. I don't think I could be an >effective goalie without having that twisting motion available, >though. > >-- > >Ed Rush >currently contracting for Active Software, >3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. > >mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) >mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) >http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) >http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) Ed: The type of brace I use does not prevent twisting, it prevents bending laterally which results in ligament tears. While wearing the brace I have avoided those, but still fill prey to cartilage damage as a result of a twisting injury. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Goalie Coaching Article Added Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:47:41 -0400 Hi All, I just added the latest goalie coaching article by Fred Quistgard of Quistgard Goalie Training. This one is called "What is a Goalie Coach?". If you are a goalie coach or a head coach, it has some great info. It can be found in The Goalie Factory at the Pro-Masque Web site: http://www.promasque.com/keepinf.htm. Hope you find it helpful! KRB Best Regards, Kevin Burgess "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Langevin" Subject: most shots faced Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:33:07 -0700 Two days ago in a game, I faced 70 shots (we even won 5-4!). It has prompted me to ask everyone what's the most shots they've ever faced in a game? My high is from back in high school. I was peppered with 114 (yes, 114) shots and we lost 4-3. I was the Ron Tugnutt of high school hockey...:) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rosser, Tim A." Subject: most shots faced Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:54:00 -0500 I faced 61 in one game. We lost 14-0. I had only 3 defensemen and most of the goals were off rebounds and breakaways. ------ REPLY FROM: Rosser, Tim A. Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note Priority: 3 Message ID: 66675E3B82F8D011910700A02461FF2A ------ Two days ago in a game, I faced 70 shots (we even won 5-4!). It has prompted me to ask everyone what's the most shots they've ever faced in a game? My high is from back in high school. I was peppered with 114 (yes, 114) shots and we lost 4-3. I was the Ron Tugnutt of high school hockey...:) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) most shots faced Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:06:52 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Two days ago in a game, I faced 70 shots (we even won 5-4!). It has prompted me to ask everyone what's the most shots they've ever faced in a game? My high is from back in high school. I was peppered with 114 (yes, 114) shots and we lost 4-3. I was the Ron Tugnutt of high school hockey...:) I haven'tcounted every game, but the known record for me actually happened in my first two games EVER. I was a newbie playing behind a group of Pond Rockets who were in a league with A and b teams - oops. We started the season with back to back (Fri & Sat) games. The first game I faced 58 shots (we lost by a BIG margin! 25-0) the second game I only faced 64 shots - and we still lost, but not by as much (24-1)! It was a rough start to a goaltending career, but it keeps thinks in perspective. The only truly embarrassing loss was the game the the team showed with only 5 skaters and no goalie and we lost 15-1. YOUCH! But now, nothing really seems like a blowout.... Life between the pipes has gottena little better since then. This past season with my women's team I got 13 shutouts and my goals against was under 1.0 (but truth be known, I don't face a lot of shots in that league, usually no more than 10 a game). Which is why I play men's more..(no offense against other women intended) Patty #33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: (Fwd) most shots faced Date: 09 Jul 1997 20:44:53 -0700 > My high is from back in high school. I was peppered with 114 (yes, > 114) shots and we lost 4-3. That's really impressive, 110 saves in one game! If you played 15-minute periods, that's about a shot every 25 seconds, and it makes me tired just to think about that. > The only truly embarrassing loss was the game > the team showed with only 5 skaters and no goalie and we lost 15-1. How did they keep it down to 15 goals? That reminds me of the time the U. of Texas football team was playing the A&M Aggies. The 'Horns got pissed off and walked off the field, and the Aggies scored a touchdown just 10 minutes after that. So far, my worst game was also my first -- 36 shots and we lost 10-9. Fortunately, the Bladerunners have developed into a good defensive team, so our season average is just 19 shots against (25 last night, though, in our 4-3 win). -- Ed Rush currently contracting for Active Software, 3255-1 Scott Blvd, Suite 201, Santa Clara, Calif. mailto:edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (current day e-address) mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent; checked mostly at night) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: annoying the opposition/number of shots Date: 09 Jul 1997 21:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, I should retitle this 'most puzzling number of saves in a game before 12pm". We played this really good division 1 men's team in a 10am game (I don't do 'before lunch' , so I wasn't awake anyhow). They had a full team , we had 7 guys and a non-a.m goalie. We shut them out for 2 periods. It was really cool because they were getting mad that they couldn't score on a depleted team. I told the guys at the end of the second (by this time we are outshot about 50 to 10 and had scored on their goalie-we all know how easy it it to have that happen when your team is killing the opposing team) that I was getting tired and would flake out in the third. The other team was getting major mad because they couldn't score. Nice feeling for a goalie-let's you know you are doing OK. The final score was 6-1 (we lost of course because I sieved out in the third due to fatigue). It kind of raises an interesting issue for goalies. I wasn't nervous because the game was so early I was too tired to be nervous. I know there was a thread awhile back about nerves. Morning games are easier in a sense because you don't have all day to worry about your game. I find the same thing if I am not feeling that well, my play is better beacuse I am distracted (in most cases). Anyhow, I didn't count the shots, I'd guess over 60 to about 15 but it was a good feeling to do at least decently under the circumstnaces. I almost even remember some of the game ;) but it didn't feel like a loss, not to me anyhow! Hope this wan't boring, it was one of my favourite games, :) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leah Aldridge Subject: Re: (Fwd) most shots faced Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:19:29 -0700 (PDT) My high game was 89 shots; we lost 11-0. Most goals were on second and third shots. This was the first game of a very long summer season. The team couldn't compete and regularly gave up 50 or so shots a night. I remember I could barely move after. This game came after two weeks off, so I wasn't in very good shape. Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joker@comic.u-net.com (Alan MacLean) Subject: Re: (Fwd) most shots faced Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:33:03 +0100 Hi all, In field hockey 20 or mre shots is about the equilelant to 50 or 60 ice hockey shots...the most I've face in field hockey is 36, we lost 9-0!! Alan Alan MacLean GM Coyotes-----CIHL E-mail:-joker@comic.u-net.com Chris Terreri Shrine:-http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/terreri/ Official Goalie Link Page:-http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/1733/ (case-sensitive) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JFrazee123@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) most shots faced Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:46:59 -0400 (EDT) My 10 Year old son just came out a a 6 game tournament. Finished 3 -3 -0. He had 234 shoots on him and saved 217. One game faced 63 shoots lost 5-1 another game faced 57 and lost 5-0. He had 1 shut out when he face only 21 shots. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Kris Gowen" Subject: most shots faced Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:57:45 -0800 They keep very poor records at the place I play (i.e., the score keeper gets up and leaves for a few minutes), but I think my personal high was 67 in a 50 minute running time game. We lost 17-2 and it was my first game in the men's league. The satisfying part is that we beat this same team last Monday 7-2, a mere 4 months later :). _____________________________________________________________________ L. Kris Gowen PHONE: (415) 725-8185 Stanford Center on Adolescence FAX: (415) 725-8207 Jordan Quad / Cypress Hall C ladyg@leland.stanford.edu Stanford, CA 94305-4145 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sophie Verville" Subject: Hello Date: 10 Jul 1997 12:58:20 -0400 Hi poeple I'm new to this list! What is the main subject here? NHL goalies? that sounds good!....... Bye sophie verville ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) most shots faced Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:36:30 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- My 10 Year old son just came out a a 6 game tournament. Finished 3 -3 -0. He had 234 shoots on him and saved 217. One game faced 63 shoots lost 5-1 another game faced 57 and lost 5-0. He had 1 shut out when he face only 21 shots. Excellent save percentage!!!! Congrats to him! Dominick hasek look out!! : ) patty #33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: ref files Date: 10 Jul 1997 20:01:49 +0200 Hi all, here's a little story about an unorthidox ref. I=B4t was during a lowlevel floorball game. For starters there was only one (instead of the normal 2) ref there. Then he gathers the team up to tell us he has been a ref in the Swedish bandy league for years so he has dealt with tougher guys than us... But what really got me was when during the middle of the game I hear a mobilre phone ring. SO I figure that one of the players forgot to tunr their's off. But suddenly the ref calls a time out an goes to answer the phone... Any thoughts on goalie moves in the NHL, you know Belfour to Dallas (what is wrong with Moog?) Healy to Toronto... Keep the save % up and the gaa's down :) Adam #35=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn M. Broberg" Subject: Most Shots Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:28:28 In my first year with a girls team, we made it to the national tournament. The first game, I faced 106 shots (saved 86), the next game I faced 87 shots (saved 77), and the next game I faced 64 (I saved 60). That was the busiest weekend ever. I also had a game last year where I faced 91 shots and let in 9 (I kept above the 90% mark though). Lynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: funny goalie moments Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Hi Guys, The thread about number of shots faced in games reminded me of some of the odd things that have happened in games. My first game ever I strapped the pads on the wrong legs, that was cool. Later I skated out of the net to stop a puck at the blue line and to my horror watched it bounce off my stick and slide slowly back into my own goal. It was a women's beginner team and most everyone else was bunched up at center ice because nobody knew how to play positional hockey. I had the whole ice from the red line to the goal to myself. I couldn't get back to the crease fast enough because I wasn't used to the big leg pads (even though one of the coaches fixed them for me when he saw they were on the wrong way). I didn't get any grief from the team for that but since we were all beginners we were just thrilled to make a save or score a goal against the other team. Some of the actual hockey smart fans were convulsed with laughter, I mean what are the chances! I'm fairly sure I'd get to ride the pines for a game or two if I pulled that on my teams now. :) Actually, I don't think I could do that again on purpose if I tried, after several years of hockey. Anyone else have some good stories? Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) funny goalie moments Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:03:28 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Anyone else have some good stories? My best story happened after a game and has more to do with the "hazzards" of being the onlyfemale playing in a mens league. The league plas some games at a rink called Buhr (pronounced BRRRRRR - and appropriate) Park which is an outdoor rink. The changing building consists of a big locker room in the back with the showers and a lobby type area in the front for additional changing space. In order to accomodate the guys who wanted to take showers I would use the women's bathroom to change my shirt and shorts and put my gear on in the lobby area, thinking I would avoid embarrassing situations. hahahaha. Well, one game we played a team where I know several of the guys and so feel comfortablt joking with them etc. After the game we were in the lobby area changing (my team had the back locker room), Ihad my gear off and turned around to grab my dry clothes out of a bag. Much to my surprise, at the table behind me was one of the guys from the other team standing on the chair in his underwear (an bright shade of purple - I'm assuming he was trying to keep his feet dry). I decided he had obviously forgot that there was a female in the room, and darted into the ladies room to change, figuring he'dbe dressed by the time I got out. I came out of the bathroom and there he was on top of the table pulling his jeans on, wiggling his hips in the process. When he was done getting his jeans on (stillno shirt), he did a little jig onthe tbale. before I could stop myself, I blurted out (and of course from across the room so everyone could hear), "Do I have to pay $5 for that table dance???" Of course, his teammates busted out laughing, he turned about the brightest shade of red I've ever seen a person turn and slunk down from the table. To this day (its been about 8 months) he can't look at me without blushing....it was pretty funny. Needless tosay he's been more discreet sincethen... Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: next season's cost Date: 11 Jul 1997 07:15:58 -0600 Here in the Denver-area Rocky Mtn. Hockey League over-21 division, the cost for the upcoming 97/98 season with 22 games and playoffs is $355. How does that compare elsewhere in the US and Canada? In this area, we only have 5 sheets of ice and only 2 leagues, so I guess that they have us over a barrel.... Mike (a proud Battram user) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rosser, Tim A." Subject: next season's cost Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:42:00 -0500 The league I play in Findlay, Ohio cost's 220 for 19 games. League in Toledo where I live are around $350 for 25 games including playoffs. The Findlay league does not include playoffs. That is an extra cost. We have 4 sheets of ice in Toledo. One is an outdoor rink in which there are no leagues. This is only one sheet in Findlay. Tim Rosser ------ REPLY FROM: Rosser, Tim A. Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note Priority: 3 Message ID: 71C65517A5F9D011910700A02461FF2A ------ Here in the Denver-area Rocky Mtn. Hockey League over-21 division, the cost for the upcoming 97/98 season with 22 games and playoffs is $355. How does that compare elsewhere in the US and Canada? In this area, we only have 5 sheets of ice and only 2 leagues, so I guess that they have us over a barrel.... Mike (a proud Battram user) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Sandler Subject: Costs Date: 11 Jul 1997 11:06:55 -0400 Hockey North America Detroit: Winter: 20 games + local playoffs + Toronto playoff (if you win locally) = $375 Spring: 8 games + playoffs = $149 Summer: 14 games + playoffs = $220 Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arnsat@magna.com.au Subject: Re: funny goalie moments Date: 12 Jul 1997 01:09:35 +1000 (EST) WEll there is a certain womens team goalie at the rink that ive had to help fix her leg pads up onto the right laegs about 4 times in 2 years!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) next season's cost Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:40:07 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Here in the Denver-area Rocky Mtn. Hockey League over-21 division, the cost for the upcoming 97/98 season with 22 games and playoffs is $355. How does that compare elsewhere in the US and Canada? In this area, we only have 5 sheets of ice and only 2 leagues, so I guess that they have us over a barrel.... Mike (a proud Battram user) The men's league I play in will cost each player around $300-350 for a 25 game season (depending on whether or not we get a sponsor). My women's league will run about $450 for a 22 game season and a practice every week (practices for my team are an hour and a half). Hockey North America was charging about $400 a couple years ago. And this is metro Detroit where we have many rinks and prices are fairly competitive. So $355 for $22 games seems reasonable. Ice costs run from $125-175 an hour (depending on the rink) and referees and scorekeepers are generally paid to be there (refs make anywhere from $20-$30 per game here, depending on the level and scorekeepers get $6-7 a game). Its an expensive sport but its worth it. Patty probably a Battram user soon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: funny goalie moments Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:47:00 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- WEll there is a certain womens team goalie at the rink that ive had to help fix her leg pads up onto the right laegs about 4 times in 2 years!! Sounds like she needs to have her pads labeled with a big R and L!!!!! There's a woman on the beginning team I coach taht I had to tell about 3 times in 2 weeks that she should put her pants on before she goes out on the ice - her jersey was a little long, but not that long that it would cover her butt!!! At least I caught her every time before she got out to the ice! I guess she was having a "blonde week". I also heard a story that happened to a woman on a team in MT Clemens, MI who was getting ready totake a shower, was standing there talking to a teammate with nothing on but her towel wrapped around her shulder. She got done talking, turned around (and apparently was mixed up) opened the door towhat she thought was the shower and walked right out into the rink - oops. A lot of guys got more than they bargained for that night! I'm justgald it wasn't me!!! Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: Costs Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:27:48 -0600 Ron, Is Hockey North America Detroit for intermediate/advanced players, or beginners? That is worth it with the skill level in that area; I grew up playing since age 7-21 there and even went to State champs in Bantam. Plus, with the frequent visits to Canada it has paid off at my level ... still. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: Re: Costs Date: 11 Jul 1997 11:54:45 -0500 (CDT) I am playing with HNA this year, summer and winter. About the same price here. Local leagues are less tho. On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Ron Sandler wrote: > Hockey North America Detroit: > > Winter: 20 games + local playoffs + Toronto playoff (if you win > locally) = $375 > Spring: 8 games + playoffs = $149 > Summer: 14 games + playoffs = $220 > > Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: funny goalie moments Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:04:28 -0400 At 01:09 AM 7/12/97 +1000, you wrote: >WEll there is a certain womens team goalie at the rink that ive had to help >fix her leg pads up onto the right laegs about 4 times in 2 years!! > > > > Well just try to fit a woman with an upperbody pad and try to do it in a professional manner... now thats an awkward situation!! Its hard enough trying to fit the ladies for pads!! let alone the upper body gear! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: funny goalie moments Date: 11 Jul 1997 11:16:21 -0700 oddest moment: i'd played co-ed for about a year before switching over to the local women's league. at the very first game i'm playing at, i don't know anyone and i've no idea what my teammates play like. so there i am, watching the game, and as the puck goes over the other team's blue line, i see one of my D ("what's she doing *there*?") in a huge collison with one of the other team's D, knocking both of them down. to my amazement, i can hear, "oh GOD, i'm REALLY sorry, are you okay, are you okay?!?!?" "good lord," i'm thinking to myself, "these folks are SO much more polite than the coed team!" and as i commence getting shelled, i glance back at the scene of the collision to find that my D has picked up the other woman's stick, is HELPING HER UP OFF THE ICE, and is handing the stick back to her and dusting her off!!!!!! stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Kris Gowen" Subject: funny goalie moments Date: 11 Jul 1997 11:26:40 -0800 Just this season, my hair was getting a bit long, so I put it back in a bandana for one of the games. There was a break away, and as I was skating backwards to get ready for the shot, the bandana fell underneath the helmet, completely covering my eyes. SOmehow, I made the initial save, but the puck went in on the rebound. I was just lying there laughing. Thinking I was hurt somehow, the ref skated over, saw my "blindfold" and told me that I wasn't that good yet :). It took a few minutes b4 I got my head back into the game (my teammates heckles didn't help much either). _____________________________________________________________________ L. Kris Gowen PHONE: (415) 725-8185 Stanford Center on Adolescence FAX: (415) 725-8207 Jordan Quad / Cypress Hall C ladyg@leland.stanford.edu Stanford, CA 94305-4145 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lynn M. Broberg" Subject: Funny Stories Date: 11 Jul 1997 19:00:25 This is not a goalie story but its a goalie-at-forward story. I've played goalie for twelve years and last season I had the "opportunity" to skate at forward for a game. Now, I play pickup hockey and before I started playing goalie I skated out for a few years when I was younger, so I wasn't completely naive as to what to do. I was skating along the boards with the puck and some girls started to pinch me along the boards right before I got to their blueline. Well, I dumped the puck and tried to skate around her but she went down and took me with her. Well, I got up faster than she did and it was then that I noticed the only way I was going to be able to get into the zone was to wait for her to get up or to go over her. So I went right over her like we were playing a game of leapfrog. After my shift I went to the bench and my coaches were there laughing their heads off and said to me, "What the hell do you think this is??? A birthday party for a four year old???". It ended up being a highlite of the season. Lynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: funny goalie moments Date: 13 Jul 1997 00:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Scott said, "Well just try to fit a woman with an upperbody pad and try to do it in a professional manner... now thats an awkward situation!! Its hard enough trying to fit the ladies for pads!! let alone the upper body gear!" I'm sure it would be harder for a woman selling jock straps. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: funny goalie moments Date: 13 Jul 1997 09:09:33 -0400 At 12:58 AM 7/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >Scott said, "Well just try to fit a woman with an upperbody pad and try to do >it in a >professional manner... now thats an awkward situation!! Its hard enough >trying to fit the ladies for pads!! let alone the upper body gear!" > >I'm sure it would be harder for a woman selling jock straps. > > > Hehehe... thats right, as you know, one size doesnt fit all!! hahaha Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Solar Bear" Subject: Re: funny goalie moments Date: 13 Jul 1997 12:03:11 -0500 We will take your word on that one Scott........wink, wink! Donna ---------- > From: Scott Battram > To: SexyStangs@aol.com > Cc: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Re: funny goalie moments > Date: Sunday, July 13, 1997 8:09 AM > > At 12:58 AM 7/13/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Scott said, "Well just try to fit a woman with an upperbody pad and try to do > >it in a > >professional manner... now thats an awkward situation!! Its hard enough > >trying to fit the ladies for pads!! let alone the upper body gear!" > > > >I'm sure it would be harder for a woman selling jock straps. > > > > > > > > Hehehe... thats right, as you know, one size doesnt fit all!! hahaha > > > Scott Battram > OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT > Woodstock, Ontario > CANADA > > TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 > > BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tanya Martin Subject: funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 12:49:24 -0400 The most funny or ironic moment in my goaltending career happened in high school hockey. I agreed to play in a tournament for the boys contact team as the rules stated they needed two goalies dressed for all games and one of the reqular goalies was injured. The practice before the tournament, the regular goalie pulls a groin muscle. Needless to say I was now starting every game in the tournament. There was a buzz through the arena as people heard rumour their was a girl goalie on our team as I had my own dressing room (I privledge I never had before). During the first game we were severely out played and I, suffering from nerves and adjusting to the speed of play had let in a few I shouldn't of. Well, the crowd starts chanting "Put the girl in!" You see, I had my long blonde hair in a braid down the back of my equipment but the guy goalie had his shoulder length brown hair just hanging out the back of his helmet. To satisfy the crowd, between periods, I took my helmet all the way off and had the trainer put a new elastic in my braid to settle down the crowd. I guess I played too much like a guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also I think I play in the most inexpensive league around, I pay $295 CDN for 28 games and 34 practices per season. Put we have alot of ice up here in the far north! (Ottawa) A question for the female goalies out there, how far into a pregnancy have you played? I played two months at the end of the season with my first, and five months at the beginning of the season with my second. Now I will be four months at the start of the season (oops) so I am not sure if I should start or not as I have not been doing too much training this off season. Note to Scott Battram: I guess I can't afford new equipment now as I will be purchasing a double stroller instead!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: funny stories Date: 15 Jul 1997 15:08:38 +0000 Hey, when are we going to hear some good stories from the guys???We women can't be the only ones having goofy stuff happen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 15:04:46 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- question for the female goalies out there, how far into a pregnancy have you played? I played two months at the end of the season with my first, and five months at the beginning of the season with my second. Now I will be four months at the start of the season (oops) so I am not sure if I should start or not as I have not been doing too much training this off season. Congrats on the pregnancy - I've found that guys always find it hysterically funny when we talk about losing players to pregnancy - they just aren't used to the concept!! As far as how far into you can play - I've never had kids so I don't know firsthand, but I would say first and foremost, ask a dr. But I coach a team of women and I have a basic rule that once you tell me you're pregnant, you're done playing games and for the firts tri-mester you can practice, but no "superman slides" or russian crawls. Although the women's league is non-contact, the nature of the sport is such that there is always some amount of contact. All it take sis one hit and you'll be sorry for a long long time.....noone likes to miss ice time, but better that than a miscarriage (easy for me to say, tho' being the single girl...) And I am carful withthem at practice if they are pregnant beacuse if they fall wrong........I leave it up to them whether or not to skate that first tri-mester, but after that they're relegated to the bench..... Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: (Fwd) funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 11:47:53 -0700 we had one goalie in our league that played while pregnant...she played for the first couple months in goal, then she played for a couple months as D, THEN she played for several more months as a referee. at one point i was so worried that i went to the team captain and said, "look, if she's refereeing, i don't want to play! she shouldn't be out here." i was told by both the team and the league that she had been okayed by her doctor, and that if she wanted to play they couldn't stop her. i still don't like that answer. if something happens (and god forbit you should be involved), you will still feel bad if you were on the ice or in the game at all. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Kris Gowen" Subject: Re: funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 12:58:48 -0800 I have noticed that only the women care to share their funniest experiences in net-- is this topic too much of a bruise to the male ego? Anyhoo, it is nice to see so many female goaltenders coming out of the woodwork -- it inspires me fer sure :). As for the pregnancy issue, I would advise not to play past the first trimester, as past that point the fetus is subject to trauma injuries (I am a sexuality educator, not a doctor, and would advise you speak to one and not just go by my word). Therefore, as much of a bummer as it is, I would not play this season. Kris _____________________________________________________________________ L. Kris Gowen PHONE: (415) 725-8185 Stanford Center on Adolescence FAX: (415) 725-8207 Jordan Quad / Cypress Hall C ladyg@leland.stanford.edu Stanford, CA 94305-4145 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dosenbach Subject: Re: funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:15:48 -0700 Kris wrote: >I have noticed that only the women care to share their funniest experiences >in net-- is this topic too much of a bruise to the male ego? A dare, eh? OK, I'll bite. :) During one of my first few games, I lost track of a shot, and looked behind me to try to find it. Unbeknownst to me, it had rebounded right in front of me. Being completely inexperienced, and a little flustered, I actually rotated completely around to look for it, turning my back on the play, while still on my knees. The other team took two or three shots, all of which hit my back, and the last rebound ended up just a few inches behind me. I had no idea what was going on, and way too flustered to think about turning around to face the play. My teammates were yelling at me to lie back, which I did, right on top of the puck. Ever since then, they haven't been able to stop talking about my "butt save". :) Mike P.S. Just finished up my first season. I ended up with the most saves and the worst save percentage in my division. Good news, bad news, eh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Alexander Subject: Re: funny moments(from a guy) Date: 15 Jul 1997 17:16:50 -0500 Okay, here goes. I was in my first season as a goalie, and I went to a bench for a delayed penalty. So I sat on the bench, we had control of the puck for over a minute so I got comfortable. They finally got the puck back, and the ref blew his whistle. So being the huge stud that I was, and not having conquered the huge leg pads, I tried to jump over the boards. Well, a strap on my pads got caught on something on the other side of the boards, and I didn't quite make it over. And I fell flat on my face. The ref was laughing so hard he almost forgot the penalty he was going to call. And the worst part was, I twisted my knee and couldn't play for two weeks. Ryan Alexander #30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Foster Subject: Re: funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT) At 12:58 PM 7/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >I have noticed that only the women care to share their funniest experiences >in net-- is this topic too much of a bruise to the male ego? Haven't had any humorous moments. At least not anything I'd consider funny. Leg pads on the wrong legs in my first game ever, but that story was already done (and nobody on the ice knew they were backwards!) And most of the female funny stories have been gender-specific, anyways ;) -Mike Foster Lord Wolfger Silberbaer mfoster1@voyager.net Incipient Shire of Altenberg www.arrowweb.com/Wolfger/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: funny moments, costs & question Date: 15 Jul 1997 20:58:31 -0400 At 12:58 PM 7/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >I have noticed that only the women care to share their funniest experiences >in net-- is this topic too much of a bruise to the male ego? Anyhoo, it is >nice to see so many female goaltenders coming out of the woodwork -- it >inspires me fer sure :). > >As for the pregnancy issue, I would advise not to play past the first >trimester, as past that point the fetus is subject to trauma injuries (I am >a sexuality educator, not a doctor, and would advise you speak to one and >not just go by my word). Therefore, as much of a bummer as it is, I would >not play this season. > >Kris > >_____________________________________________________________________ >L. Kris Gowen PHONE: (415) 725-8185 >Stanford Center on Adolescence FAX: (415) 725-8207 >Jordan Quad / Cypress Hall C ladyg@leland.stanford.edu >Stanford, CA 94305-4145 > > > Heheheh... my funniest moment in net just happened to be with a girl... Now, dont get the wrong idea people!! Here is the story.... I was ohhh... about 7 years old.... now that was around 17 years ago, and I was playing net on Minor Hockey Night (this was a big night here in Woodstock, where the old Perrydome would be packed to the rafters.. about.... 3000 people or so in the building... heheheh ooops... thats when I played JNR Hockey.... it was more like 300 people on Minor Hockey Night in Woodstock...) Anyhow... There was a girl playing for the opposition, this was back when maybe only 10 girls were playing boys hockey in all of Ontario... I vowed a girl would never score on me.... at anyrate... I was busy looking into the crowd counting the people...(in later years playing before 3000 people, I would be looking at all the girls in the crowd....) and the girl player her name was Julie Brown, came down the ice... crossed the blueline, and scored on me... right between the legs... and I wasnt even paying attention... and didnt even react to the shot... I remember the crowd laughing... and heck... I look back now and laugh about it too... From that day on... I never made a joke about girls in sports... I think this girl gave up hockey at around 13 or so, and its too bad... because she was pretty good... but I guess she didnt feel comfortable at that age playing with the guys... today she likely still would have been playing if the female leagues existed then like they do today... Just one of my many funny moments in the net....I have a ton of others... heck... when you have played as much hockey as I have... with some of the people I have... you tend to have a lot of funny stories... Another time, was during the filming of a goalie instructional video... we were trying to explain how to go to the bench during a penalty... I was to skate hard to the bench, and the player would leap the boards... it was working awesome, until I got to the bench, and just as the door opened, I step on a strap, and fly ass first into the open door, and into the bench.... Take 2... it goes well... but I trip over the blueline.... We finally got it on take 3... fortunately, it didnt make it to the video.... but the people in the arena had a good laugh at my expense... Then, there was this time at a place called Tequalla Animals in Brampton Ontario during the big womens tournament.... heheheh but we wont go into that one.... Wow... this list has alot of experts on it... now a sex educator... cool, amazing who you find on the net and the goalie list... > > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Swartzell Subject: goalie 'bloopers' Date: 15 Jul 1997 19:46:24 MDT Funny moments in net, eh? In high school, the starting line up was being introduced. Dave, I think it was him anyway, skates out at warp 10, and goes for a big, flashy stop. He lost an edge, and took out 3 of us. Not a good way to strike fear into your opponents. I was playing pick up with a good group of players about 2 years ago. I was playing fairly well, and I can date it by the fact that my Vaughn 850 leg pads weren't broken in yet. One of the guys takes a big slapper, I feel it hit my leg, but I can't find the puck. I start looking behind me, as one of the forwards is trying to fight his way past the d-men. One of my wingers points his stick at me and starts yelling 'SIT!' I go down, and everyone stops. I'm still looking for the puck...the d-men says 'look at your pad, keep.' The puck was stuck between a strap and the front of my pad. There are the fluke goal memories too, like hustling behind the net to stop a hard dump in, only to lose an edge, crash, and tip the puck out front. It stopped inside the crease. I don't mind giving up a goal now and then, but I don't like the ones where I should get an assist. Scott -- Scott Swartzell "I beg to differ with you, I do not weigh a ton, fifty pounds is more like it." Griffin, age 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: funny moments in hockey Date: 15 Jul 1997 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, I'm trying to come up with some non-gender specific funny moments although I'm starting to wonder if we should start a maternity subset of the group...piece of advice to Tracy-don't take any chances. I've studied a fair amount of medicine (I'm not a medical DR but it's an interest) and please don't take the chance. Just go for skates in full gear for as long as your Dr says it's OK but don't risk anything! one of my most memorable funny moments was when I was playing for a completely loony but talented team. One Forward from the opposing team stood in front of our net and my D took exception to it. He ran the guy, a brawl erupted and several players were ejected (in most cases the goalies either stand looking bored or chat together, most of us not being Olaf Kolzig). So after about 10 minutes of penalty assessment and ejections we resumed play with almost nobody left on the ice. Next thing we hear this big commotion in the concourse to the DR and the fight has resumed. We all skated to the glass and watched as they called the cops, a few charges were made then dropped, they called the game, but the writeup on the scoresheet made our team sound like the mafia. We have an annual team yearbook and added to the ref's writeup embellishing that our team was personally responsible for the Exxon Valdise disaster, Chernoble, and the end of the refs marriage that season (probably the latter untrue but they thought they would include it anyhow for good measure). I hid in the net for most of the altercations, it's a big year for me if I even attempt to hook a blocking D from the other team. Me against a 200 lb guy usually results in a lot of laughing because there is no way I can hook a guy that size, plus we play non contact and I get plenty of space. On the female in men's hockey as a side note: (sorry guys) I played in a tournament with an ex-bf and try to imagine the ride back to the team hotel after the bf has had a bad game and the crowd is screaming 'put the girl in' and since I wear my long hair down the side, they know which one is the girl. I gave up the braids down the back when I realised they couldn't tell I was a girl. I'm not big on getting squished by 200 lb guys.(I have used on occasion the expression "I can't BREATHE!"). Let's say it was a rather quiet ride back to the hotel after that incident. It's still lots of fun playing on guys teams anyway, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shannon Perkins Subject: funny goalie stories Date: 15 Jul 1997 22:15:49 -0400 I remember an incident involving my equipment... I had been using just a regular women's pelvic protector designed for a forward. My mom, figuring it's Christmas and all, decides to buy me a real goalie cup. I'm all excited at Christmas, open the last package, and come face to face with the biggest men's cup I've ever seen: a Brian's Pro Goal with a big red bulls-eye on the front of it. So, to be nice, I agreed to give it a try and wear it during a couple of games. It resulted in me getting called Mr. Perkins by my team...and everytime I tried to get rid of the thing by not wearing it, we'd get beated horribly in a game. So, as much as I hate it, I kept the cup... I get on to a new team this season, a travel women's team, and I still have the cup. Only a few of the girls who played on my team last year know about, so I figure I'm safe. As usual, I come real early to the rink, leave me stuff in the locker room, and walk outside to try and settle my stomach(I get sick before just about every game, no matter how important or unimportant it is), and come back into the rink with about 45 minutes left to change. I'm ready to get my pants and stuff on, and realize my cup is missing. I hear screams and laughter in the lobby, and get out there just in time to see team member Jen Stevens flashing everyone who walks in the main rink door with my cup. She's got the thing on over her pants, and her jacket pulled up just high enough to hide it until she flashes her unsuspecting victim. Needless to say, my dad did get a kick out of it, as did most of the crowd at the rink(except for some of the older people Jen surprized). I spent most of the time I was suppose to use getting dressed chasing after Jen, screamin, "Give me back my cup!" Well, the team found out about the cup and its good luck, so I still haven't been able to get rid of the darn thing. I don't know, I might never be able to wear anything else. I'm starting to believe in its "powers", too :) -Shannon Perkins #1 K-Wings shannonp@portup.com "If at first you don't succees, redefine success." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: funny moments(from a guy) Date: 15 Jul 1997 23:08:26 -0400 (EDT) that's gotta suck Ryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Funny Moments in Goalie History... Date: 16 Jul 1997 08:09:29 EST I have two of them ... The first is funny from my perspective, and my team thought it was great but the other guy involved probably didn't think so. It was my last year in Bantams, and there was this forward for one of the other teams. He had moved into our area that year, and considered himself to be a hot shot. Reportedly he had never had a game that he didn't score in. Anyway through the course of the game he shoots and shoots and shoots and shoots. Nothing is going in the net. Feeling cocky, I start poking fun at him every time he shoots. With about five minutes to go in the third period, he finally loses it and comes after me. He throws off his gloves, bellows something about beating my bum, and proceeds to hit me in the face. I'm still wearing my helmet and cage. When his hand hits my cage I can hear bones in his hand letting go. He didn't play for three weeks, and I got a shutout that night. A couple of my guys went to pounce on him, but he was already on the ice writhing in agony from his broken hand. The second is one of those NOOOOOO!!! Don't let that happen stories. Last Thursday night I was in net for an inline pickup game. I wasn't having a spectacular night, it was bloody hot. One of the forwrds for the other team rips one low. I butterfly it off to the side, but picked the wrong side. It ended up going towards the center of the floor and dribbled into the crease. Another forward is about to pounce one it and bang it into the net. I spin around to dive on the puck and cover it. It bounces up onto my stick, and the inertia from my own motion flips it into the net. So I have the distinction of having scored on myself. Oh well, I thought they were funny.. --- Jason Tryon (CUJO) 31 "Hockey, kinda like figure skating in a war zone" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: funny moments Date: 16 Jul 1997 10:23:14 -0400 thanks to everyone for sharing their funny moments...they were great! Unfortunately, I don't think I've had any really funny moments on the ice. I've had funny hockey moments, but most of them aren't too decent and this is a family list =). -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BURNS,JEREMY" Subject: ONE IN THE OVEN Date: 16 Jul 1997 12:28PM Re pregnancy & goaltending: my team captain is an ob/gyn, so I asked him about this last night...after he shook his head at the question (as in, are *all* you goalies crazy, or what?) he pretty much agreed with the "first trimester rule" but added that he would really frown on playing goal at all during pregnancy as there is really no way to ensure full protection to the fetus from a high-velocity slap shot, and he also expressed concern about the heat factor involved in playing with full gear at full speed and full sweat... Anyway, just FYI. If anybody has any specific questions, he said he would be glad to answer them, so if there is anything more y'all wanna know regarding the subject, just let me know and I'll forward it on... being a metaphysicist, I'm the wrong kinda doctor to answer 'em myself... =) dr. jeremy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: funny moments Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:35:48 -0400 (EDT) < thanks to everyone for sharing their funny moments...they were great! < Unfortunately, I don't think I've had any really funny moments on the ice. < I've had funny hockey moments, but most of them aren't too decent and this < is a family list =). < < -MOSSey Please, tell us. We all want to know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: funny moments, costs & question Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:26:23 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-15 23:15:25 EDT, you write: << Then, there was this time at a place called Tequalla Animals in Brampton Ontario during the big womens tournament.... heheheh but we wont go into that one.... >> Hey Scott.. It was Tequalla Monster.. What was so funny..???? HA HA HA... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOALIEBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: funny goalie stories Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Shannon, that's must have been awful... I wore a goalie cup once... I forgot mine at goalie camp and some guy had a new one in his bag he never used... They are not very comfortable... The thing was so big it ripped my pants... A few months ago at a Skate n shoot... Me and a few girls were in a locker room to ourself's and as I was getting dressed just as I was putting my cup on and guess what walks in the locker room, some guy, I looked up and screamed... I felt so dumb that a guy saw me in my cup... Plus 8 years ago when I first started playing goal... My second time in gear, no one told me to wear a cup... Well guss what happened a nice wrist shot , You know where... I was the only girl on the ice.... I was rolling around screaming in pain... The guys were yelling your not hurt... I had the biggest briuse... I've had a cup since... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: funny moments Date: 17 Jul 1997 03:31:35 -0400 On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 SexyStangs@aol.com wrote: > < thanks to everyone for sharing their funny moments...they were great! > < Unfortunately, I don't think I've had any really funny moments on the ice. > < I've had funny hockey moments, but most of them aren't too decent and this > < is a family list =). > < > < -MOSSey > > Please, tell us. We all want to know. > Ok...for the sake of this, I will tell _ONE_ story. Frankly I probably don'[t have permission to recount some of the other ones since I know most of the people involved. For those of you in Canada, remember, I live in Newfoundland. We don't havbe much to around here except drink and play hockey =). Anyways, I was playing a few rec league games with a friend of mine b/c their goalie was injured. It was a good stint, too, as I recall. Anyways, there was this big guy on our team - 6'4", 220, and all that junk. He was massive! And it was a contact league, and every game he would be the last to get dressed. My friend pointed him out to me the first game I played. Everyone would leave the dressing room and he would still be there, with just his pants and skates on. Then about two or three minutes into the warmup he would rush out onto the ice and his face would be all red and he'd be shaking and running around and hitting the stanchions with his fists - just a major pump up masculine crap thing, u know? THen he would almostt take my head off with a few shots and the game would start and he'd still be pumped, running around hit everything in sight. Anyways, this had been going on for like years, my friend said, ever since they had known the guy. So one day we got curious and asked him how he managed to get so up for the game all the time. He wasn't shy about it....turns out that every time the team would leave the room he would stay, and well..."pump" himself up in private until the very last instant...and then he would put on his upper gear and go out, holding it all in. Which was why he was always so red in the face and shaking all over . =) We waited until after the game and then we burst into laughter. I found it hilarious, personally. =) I guess whatever it takes to get "up" for the game =) =) =) PS You asked for it..... -MOSSey (this shall never be repeated again) "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: (Fwd) next season's cost Date: 17 Jul 1997 00:33:18 -0700 > ...the upcoming 97/98 season with 22 games and playoffs is $355. How > does that compare elsewhere in the US and Canada? ... > The men's league I play in will cost each player around $300-350 for > a 25 game season (depending on whether or not we get a sponsor). My > women's league will run about $450 for a 22 game season and a > practice every week (practices for my team are an hour and a half). ... That last is pretty cheap, I'd say. Here in San Jose, PHA charged $350 for the 16-game-plus-playoffs season, and I think our captain said that the Eastridge rink charges us $320 for each 1.5-hour practice session. (We share it with another team.) Our captain, BTW, is a great guy; he fronts the practice money and then tries to get everyone to pay him. (*I* always pay him on time, of course.) > Also I think I play in the most inexpensive league around, I pay > $295 CDN for 28 games and 34 practices per season. Wow! Comment ce dis "cheap"? BTW, this is probably the last time I read mail at the Active address; I will resubscribe from my home e-address. -- Ed Rush wrapping up the contract for Active Software mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Re: funny goalie moments Date: 17 Jul 1997 00:33:33 -0700 L. Kris Gowen wrote: > ... bandana for one of the games. ... fell underneath the > helmet, completely covering my eyes. > ... the ref skated over, saw my "blindfold" and > told me that I wasn't that good yet :). ... In the PHA beginners' class, Mike Bruins had one exercise where he would blindfold the goalie and then skate to various nearby points, and the goalie was then supposed to skate to the correct point and face him. The idea was to *hear* where the puck and skate noise are. I *try* to remember that, but it's hard when there are so many skates crowding around me! >I have noticed that only the women care to share their funniest >experiences in net-- is this topic too much of a bruise to the >male ego? Just last Monday, in practice, I got hit in the cup without even facing the play. I was facing the net, getting some water between drills, when someone fired a shot that hit the pipe in the back of the net and caromed out and hit me on my most important piece of gear. > Leg pads on the wrong legs... It seems to me that the buckles would tangle and trip you. Once should be enough to fix that idea in one's head! BTW, this is probably the last time I read mail at the Active address; I will resubscribe from my home e-address. -- Ed Rush wrapping up the contract for Active Software mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edrush@godzilla.activesw.com (Ed Rush) Subject: bruised through the armor Date: 17 Jul 1997 00:47:06 -0700 BURNS,JEREMY wrote: > > ...are *all* you goalies crazy, or what?) he pretty much agreed with > the "first trimester rule" but added that he would really frown on > playing goal at all during pregnancy as there is really no way to > ensure full protection to the fetus from a high-velocity slap shot,... Hockey is not a gentle game. Last Friday, I played in a pickup game at Vallco and one right-winger, in an Edmonton Oilers sweater, had such a hard and accurate shot that he should be doing it professionally. Well, about 10 minutes into the game, he swatted one from the circle, high to my glove side. I raised my shoulder to block it and it landed square on top of my biceps. "Ow" I cried out, as I'd rarely faced shots I could seriously feel through my new Heaton 90-Z body armor, and this one HURT. About 5 or 10 minutes later, the same guy took the same shot from the same place, and I got it on the exact same spot, and it REALLY hurt. As he cruised behind the net, I told him "Same spot!" He grinned and said "I know." I stopped him on several more shots (in different places, thank the gods) and after a while, he scored on one that grazed that shoulder. (I don't know if it was a bit higher or I just didn't get my shoulder up as fast.) Later, I felt around to see if there was a chink in the armor, but no, that spot is indeed covered. Of course, in practice Monday, I took three shots right on the same biceps. Right now, my arm is in Technicolor and I'm glad we have a bye next weekend. Why am I telling this? Oh, yes. Even with excellent gear, the pregnant woman should remember this and perhaps err on the side of caution. BTW, this is probably the last time I read mail at the Active address; I will resubscribe from my home e-address. -- Ed Rush wrapping up the contract for Active Software mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: team name ideas? Date: 17 Jul 1997 07:14:24 -0600 League starts in September and we need a name. Send out your team names and maybe we can, .. borrow it? Thanks, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arnsat@magna.com.au Subject: funny moments Date: 18 Jul 1997 01:23:04 +1000 (EST) Hi all Been racking my brains for funny things but this is the best I could do: Playin WITHOUT a cup. I seem to stop more cos i stay in stance and catch evrything possible so theres no rebounds or flying sticks near me. Two of the oppisition havin a fight....Good entertainment Calling my shutout at a recent inline tournament but this was because i was going almost to the redline (small rink) and catching flying passes and shootin them back down the other end so i only ended up with about 10 shots altogether. BTW has anyone eva spilt a drink or somethin on there chestplate b4 playin.......it was early in the morning so i just grabbed a half empty bottle of pepsi from the fridge and thru it in my bag for afterwards......unfortunately my brother has a habit of just placing lids back on bottles and not actually screwing them on........so i had pepsi flavoured gear for a state tryout :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: team name ideas? Date: 17 Jul 1997 08:36:48 -0700 (PDT) >League starts in September and we need a name. Send out your team names and >maybe we can, .. borrow it? > >Thanks, >Mike How about a recent opponent- the Hungry Hippos! Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tanya Martin Subject: Thanks for all your concerns Date: 17 Jul 1997 11:38:55 -0400 I would like to thank all of you for expressing your concerns regarding my pregnancy. But I think you all must have think I have taken too many shots to the head. I have never played without medical clearance. (Remember, I have played during two other pregnancies) and I would not play if the skill level involved bruises through equipment. I have a degree in exercise physiology and have knowledge of many women athelete's being physically active well into their 7th month and someone active until delivery. I love my kids (I guess I should if I am having number 3) and neither of them had any dent marks when they came out. I have decided not to start this season because I have not been playing and I will be too far along before the start of the season. I did play last night for a team that would have lost a playoff game by default with out a goalie but I broke two sticks! Now I have none. I also taped over the lie number, so any ideas on how I can figure out what I was using or how to measure for a new one? (My mind can't even recall how long I have had these sticks) Hope I haven't offended anyone. Tanya ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: cleaning leather Date: 17 Jul 1997 08:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, A quick question: I have a brace on my hand from the nerve injury I reported a few weeks back. The fingers are suspended by little leather loops. I have to wear it literally all day/night on my right hand and the leather is getting messed up. Any suggestions for freshening it up? I can't put anything slippery on it like the usual leather care products for goal equipment or it won't hold my fingers properly. Thanks for any suggestions, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: team name ideas? Date: 17 Jul 1997 13:47:42 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Cc: hockey-goalie@xmission.com >League starts in September and we need a name. Send out your team names and >maybe we can, .. borrow it? > >Thanks, >Mike The women's team I play on is called the Ice Pack (very appropriate, since we are the walking wounded...). The novice women's team I coach is called the Pond Rockets - also appropriate since they were all 1st year skaters this year. Or pick something of significance to your area (i.e., the Rochester, NY women's team is called the Susan B's after Susan B. Anthony, a Rochestarian who was a leader in the women's rights movement). The men's teams I play on are the Devils and the Generals. Not very exciting, but they're a couple ideas. Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: team name ideas? Date: 17 Jul 1997 10:24:14 -0700 As long as you aren't playing at RI, be my guest. We're thinking of some names for our team next season: My favorites are Rabid Lemurs and the San Jose Lemmings. I am on Wolverines (not too original) Maddogs aka Pissed off Poodles and Deguello. Deguello was cool for the mean- no quarter given... or something like that; but it got annoying because everyone kept asking what it meant. If you watch Sportscenter you will find these familiar: Two teams I've played against: Mojo Jumanji Tal >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:36:48 -0700 (PDT) >To: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) >From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) >Subject: Re: team name ideas? >Cc: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > >>League starts in September and we need a name. Send out your team names and >>maybe we can, .. borrow it? >> >>Thanks, >>Mike > >The women's team I play on is called the Ice Pack (very appropriate, >since we are the walking wounded...). The novice women's team I >coach is called the Pond Rockets - also appropriate since they were >all 1st year skaters this year. Or pick something of significance to >your area (i.e., the Rochester, NY women's team is called the Susan >B's after Susan B. Anthony, a Rochestarian who was a leader in the >women's rights movement). > >The men's teams I play on are the Devils and the Generals. Not very >exciting, but they're a couple ideas. > >Patty > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Kris Gowen" Subject: Re: team name ideas? Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:27:42 -0800 My team fave was La Belle Champignon ("the pretty mushrooms") I am also lobbying for Astroglide out here -- a proud smile to those of you who get that reference :). _____________________________________________________________________ L. Kris Gowen PHONE: (415) 725-8185 Stanford Center on Adolescence FAX: (415) 725-8207 Jordan Quad / Cypress Hall C ladyg@leland.stanford.edu Stanford, CA 94305-4145 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tanya Martin Subject: team names Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:36:07 -0400 The most popular team names out here are Lazers and Barons. In the beer league some of the teams I have helped out have been: Microbandits, Sargons, and my fav Tequilla Shooters. I play for the Rangers but that's boooooooooring! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BURNS,JEREMY" Subject: TEAM NAME IDEAS Date: 17 Jul 1997 03:36PM hmmm...well, we were the Unabombers for a while, and then we attended a tourney as the White Ford Broncos (I like current event-esque names)...who knows what it'll be next? Here's some: The McVeighs The JonBenets (or for y'all Frainch-speakin' cowpokes, the JonBeignets) The Pit Bulls The Grassy Knolls The Juice The Perpetrators The Assailants Space Ghosts The Bailiffs Defending Tournament Champions (I'm suggesting that one for our next tourney!) The Goodfellas The Daddies (/Mothers) The SuperFriends The Fat-Free, Low-Cholesterol Hockey Team Heartless Bringers of Death The Rottweilers The Hugh Grant Experience Box of Chocolates The New Originals The Avengers (Diana Rigg, head coach) The Kahunas The Trigger Men (/Women) anyway, there's a few... _____ dr. jeremy http://www.720.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) TEAM NAME IDEAS Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:09:03 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Defending Tournament Champions (I'm suggesting that one for our next tourney!) Good one. if you'rehaving trouble getting sponsors, do what one team did htis year that I played against - they named their team Unfunded. Another groupwas going to get jerseys that only said "This Space for rent". Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BURNS,JEREMY" Subject: ANOTHER HAPPY BATTRAM CUSTOMER Date: 17 Jul 1997 03:55PM So I've had my Battram glove 'n' blocker a coupla months now, long enough to break 'em in and all that, and I figured it's about time I tell y'all about 'em... I play inline, mostly outdoors on concrete 'til we move indoors in the fall, and previously I was using those Cooper Ed Belfour Street Reactor things, so you can imagine how emotional a moment it was to open that box and see these gigantic black-and-white gloves with the obvious attention to detail all around...(I believe my first comment, after being--I swear--close to tears, was, "well, you gotta eat schitt before you know what a steak tastes like...") Indeed. These gloves are the bomb! Let me count the ways... (1) they are huuuge. My friend Lora was wearing the catcher on her head, chapeau-style, with most of her head fitting inside the pocket. Scott, this may be a fashion trend in the making; a new market? (2) they scare people. It's amazing how much bigger they make me look in the net (well, esp. compared to the Cooper stuff!), and several players have come up to me and said the same thing: "man, those things are scary." oooooooo! (3) they work! I find myself stopping more shots now... (4) quick break in. In almost no time, the catcher became very flexible and easy to open and close. (and I only had to put 'em in a trash bag and run 'em over with the car THREE TIMES! hehehe, j/k) (5) gosh, they are purty thangs to look at. True Jedi weaponry. (6) more bang for less bank. Construction and performance comparable to Vaughn, Heaton, etc., for a bit less $. I could tell you all about how poor I am, but it's easier just to say that I'm a musician and leave it at that (!), so lower price with no sacrifice of quality is important to me... (7) they have magical healing properties. Battram Custom Goal Equipment will clear up your complexion, improve your social life, gain the respect and unfadeable allegiance of the community, restore the contents of your hard drive, and cause you to MAKE MONEY FAST! (disclaimer: your mileage may vary.) I would recommend Scott's stuff to anyone who is in the market for new goalie equipment, especially if you're looking for something distinctive as well as high-performance and cost-efficient. I am well pleased! Thanks, Scott! (dr. jeremy burns, btw, does not work for or represent Battram Custom Goal Equipment in any way other than having bought some cool stuff from them...) ______ dr. j http://www.720.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BURNS,JEREMY" Subject: (FWD) RE- TEAM NAME IDEAS? Date: 17 Jul 1997 04:06PM >I am on Wolverines (not too original) >Maddogs aka Pissed off Poodles >and Deguello. >Deguello was cool for the mean- no quarter given... or something like >that; but it got annoying because everyone kept asking what it meant. > >Tal actually, there's a double meaning there: (a) yep, No Quarter Given--it was the little tune the Mexican army played at the Alamo to let Davy Crockett and everybody know that there would be no prisoners taken--everybody gets offed. (b) the greatest ZZ TOP album of all time! features "I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide", and Other Good 'Uns. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (FWD) RE- TEAM NAME IDEAS? Date: 17 Jul 1997 14:20:31 -0700 >>I am on Wolverines (not too original) >>Maddogs aka Pissed off Poodles >>and Deguello. >>Deguello was cool for the mean- no quarter given... or something like >>that; but it got annoying because everyone kept asking what it meant. >> >>Tal > >actually, there's a double meaning there: > >(a) yep, No Quarter Given--it was the little tune the Mexican army >played at the Alamo to let Davy Crockett and everybody know that there >would be no prisoners taken--everybody gets offed. > >(b) the greatest ZZ TOP album of all time! features "I'm Bad, I'm >Nationwide", and Other Good 'Uns. > > > > You are correct, sir. In fact, the guy who thought of the name gave us the web address for the album cover. It was so cool we entertained the though of using it on our jerseys. Tal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: Thanks for all your concerns Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:58:50 -0800 Tanya Martin wrote: > > ... but I broke two sticks! ... I also taped over the lie > number, so any ideas on how I can figure out what I was using or how > to measure for a new one? How did you break two sticks? The only time I've seen a goalie stick break was when a big forward fell on it, with the goalie between the shaft and the ice. I was about to say that I really love my xxx stick, but I don't want to start that war. I'd say just head for the local store and see what they have that you like. Measure? The height of the wide section of the shaft is regulated, so I'd say to go for the longest shaft available at the right price and with the right blade curvature. > Hope I haven't offended anyone. Just your sticks. _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." -- from Robert Wilensky at UC Berkeley: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: cleaning leather Date: 17 Jul 1997 16:03:54 -0800 > Any suggestions for freshening it up? I can't put anything slippery > on it like the usual leather care products for goal equipment or it > won't hold my fingers properly. What about regular old saddle soap? What are the "usual" products you referred to? And on a related topic, does anyone have good tips for drying gear relatively quickly and for making it smell better? _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." -- from Robert Wilensky at UC Berkeley: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collins Subject: Re: cleaning leather Date: 17 Jul 1997 16:22:25 PDT (Thu) Ed Rush asks: > And on a related topic, does anyone have good tips for drying gear > relatively quickly and for making it smell better? I have a 15 inch floor fan and a couple of folding chairs in my garage. The fan sits on one folding chair, and the other folding chair is in front of the fan. After I play, I set out my chest protector, both gloves and my pants directly in front of the fan. I set my pads and other wet gear nearby. It works quite well. Actually I have a drying rack made of PVC pipe, which hangs down from the rafters. I put my chest protector on that. I hang the catcher on one limb of the rack, and then put the blocker and pants on the folding chair. Unless I'm playing twice in a day, my gear is always dry and has little if any lingering odor. - Chuck Collins cpc@chkpt.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scherck Subject: re: Team Names Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:20:42 -0700 I've always wanted to name my team a singular noun rather than a plural one, you know like "Seattle Suicide" (In honor of old Kurt Cobain) rather than the "Seattle Cobains" Anyhow, just an idea... Like: The Crush Fist Explosion Fury Comet Kinda makes a team seem more like a single unit, rather than a group of induhviduals. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dosenbach Subject: re: Team Names Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:23:58 -0700 At 06:20 PM 7/17/97 -0700, Dan Scherck wrote: >I've always wanted to name my team a singular noun rather than a plural one, you know like >"Seattle Suicide" (In honor of old Kurt Cobain) rather than the "Seattle Cobains" [SNIP] >Kinda makes a team seem more like a single unit, rather than a group of induhviduals. Which is exactly why my team is named the Steamroller (along with the fact that we play roller hockey). Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carri Ann Copas Subject: Leather cleaning tips Date: 17 Jul 1997 20:11:09 -0600 (MDT) goalieootttaA asked: > A quick question: I have a brace on my hand Any > suggestions for freshening it up? I can't put anything slippery > on it like the usual leather care products for goal equipment > or it won't hold my fingers properly. I am very involved in working with horses and I have picked up quite a few nice little tricks for cleaning leather, so let me bounce some off you and see if they will do you any good. Water: I know this sounds simple, but if you rinse with water and maybe scrub with a soft toothbrush and let the leather naturally dry, it tends to do the trick quite well. Water is not harmful for leather if you don't leave it wet for long periods (ie days) and you don't force the drying process along (ie hair or clothes drier). Murphy's Oil Soap: I use this stuff at a 1:3 ratio with water to clean my saddle. I love my saddle so you can bet that I would have to trust the concoction completely to use it. I have never had problems with this leaving the leather slimy or slick, but just to assure that it doesn't do it to your brace, I would cut it down to a 1:6 ratio so the soap isn't too intense. I can't give you an exact recipe because I make the stuff quarts at a time. :) Glycerine Soap Bar: These look a lot like a Neutregina (sp?) facial bar, the same translucent amber. They are pretty inexpensive and can be picked up at tack and farm supply stores. Take a damp cloth, rub it over the bar, then wipe the brace. Make sure you clean the rag thoroughly and use only fresh water when doing the rinse wipe, because the soap residue has a tendency to get tacky. Things I would *not* suggest is Lexol, Leather-New, or any other cleaning/conditioning/polishing mixture because they do leave leather slick and slimy. Hope these tips help. Carri Carri Ann Copas *** copas@rintintin.colorado.edu /\ / \ "Goaltending is not a job that would interest /\ / \ any normal, straight-thinking human." / \/ /\ --Gump Worsley / \ / \ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5895/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: ANOTHER HAPPY BATTRAM CUSTOMER Date: 17 Jul 1997 23:15:19 -0400 At , you wrote: >So I've had my Battram glove 'n' blocker a coupla months now, long >enough to break 'em in and all that, and I figured it's about time I >tell y'all about 'em... > >I play inline, mostly outdoors on concrete 'til we move indoors in the >fall, and previously I was using those Cooper Ed Belfour Street Reactor >things, so you can imagine how emotional a moment it was to open that >box and see these gigantic black-and-white gloves with the obvious >attention to detail all around...(I believe my first comment, after >being--I swear--close to tears, was, "well, you gotta eat schitt before >you know what a steak tastes like...") > >Indeed. These gloves are the bomb! Let me count the ways... > >(1) they are huuuge. My friend Lora was wearing the catcher on her >head, chapeau-style, with most of her head fitting inside the pocket. >Scott, this may be a fashion trend in the making; a new market? > >(2) they scare people. It's amazing how much bigger they make me look >in the net (well, esp. compared to the Cooper stuff!), and several >players have come up to me and said the same thing: "man, those things >are scary." oooooooo! > >(3) they work! I find myself stopping more shots now... > >(4) quick break in. In almost no time, the catcher became very >flexible and easy to open and close. (and I only had to put 'em in a >trash bag and run 'em over with the car THREE TIMES! hehehe, j/k) > >(5) gosh, they are purty thangs to look at. True Jedi weaponry. > >(6) more bang for less bank. Construction and performance comparable >to Vaughn, Heaton, etc., for a bit less $. I could tell you all about >how poor I am, but it's easier just to say that I'm a musician and >leave it at that (!), so lower price with no sacrifice of quality is >important to me... > >(7) they have magical healing properties. Battram Custom Goal >Equipment will clear up your complexion, improve your social life, gain >the respect and unfadeable allegiance of the community, >restore the contents of your hard drive, >and cause you to MAKE MONEY FAST! >(disclaimer: your mileage may vary.) > >I would recommend Scott's stuff to anyone who is in the market for new >goalie equipment, especially if you're looking for something >distinctive as well as high-performance and cost-efficient. I am well >pleased! Thanks, Scott! > >(dr. jeremy burns, btw, does not work for or represent Battram Custom >Goal Equipment in any way other than having bought some cool stuff from >them...) > >______ >dr. j >http://www.720.org/ Hi there... Thanks for the glowing review Jeremy! Makes us happy to read stuff like this... but as the list members here know, quality is to be expected when you purchase from us... Thanks for the kind words... A side note: BATTRAM BOLD is here... We have been developing this years top end pad over the last 3 months, and the BOLD Series is here... featuring AIRCORE Technology, (sorry, we cant say anything more on the aircore) but, it reduces the weight of the gloves and pads a great deal. Pictures will be comming to the website soon... A new logo, new typface, and most importantly, improved preformance... I can say that the new BOLD Catch glove is simply the best glove on the market... had a customer come in today with a 6 month old Heaton Helite III to get a new plastic part put inside as it shattered... and he saw the first BOLD catcher, tried it on... and his first comment was "Half the weight, and this glove actually closes correctly..." We were happy to hear this as we have been working on this for many weeks now... under the advise of Jukka Ropponen, and we made a few trips to Source for Sports in London to check out the various gloves on the market, all the new gloves seemed to feel thin on the palm, and the only ones that closed close to correct were the VAUGHN VISION and the BRIANS Air-Hook, the rest did not make a correct closure. We looked at Heaton, Koho (Lefevre), Louisville, Bauer, McMartin, and all seemed to close unnaturally with your hand... We found the source of the problem, and solved it with the new BOLD Series... In Jeremy's glove, he has the solved internal parts... and I think he explained this very well how it closes nice.. and breaks in easy... Look for a new 2 T pocket (one that will not collopase like a some double 2 pockets found on some gloves do...) we still use a plastic brace, and the webbing in the middle of the spine is done so in such a way to hold the pattern of the lacing on each side of the spine, as well as holding the form of the pocket. The glove also features a flared cuff. The Bold Blocker, is a unique design, a true BATTRAM original, its designed to optimize the blocking surface area, while directing shots to the corners... the cuff has been re-worked, allowing for full wrist movement, and also to place the blocker board perpendicular to the ice while in the set position... you have to see the pics to understand! The entire BOLD line has matching graphic patterns.. which look really cool... As soon as I get the images ready, I will post a note so you can check out the pics on the web site.. For those of you with the 3500 lines on order, you will be recieving the new BOLD series... of equipment as of July 17... its in production. We are excited about the new 1998 line... and the quality that has led us to be so successful last year, will continue, with major improvements for this season and the ones to come... Once again, thanks for all your help and ideas and suggestions, we listen to the customers, and get alot of ideas from you... Thanks! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Leather cleaning tips Date: 17 Jul 1997 23:53:08 -0400 At 08:11 PM 7/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >goalieootttaA asked: >> A quick question: I have a brace on my hand Any >> suggestions for freshening it up? I can't put anything slippery >> on it like the usual leather care products for goal equipment >> or it won't hold my fingers properly. > >I am very involved in working with horses and I have picked up >quite a few nice little tricks for cleaning leather, so let me >bounce some off you and see if they will do you any good. > >Water: I know this sounds simple, but if you rinse with water >and maybe scrub with a soft toothbrush and let the leather >naturally dry, it tends to do the trick quite well. Water is not >harmful for leather if you don't leave it wet for long periods >(ie days) and you don't force the drying process along (ie hair >or clothes drier). > >Murphy's Oil Soap: I use this stuff at a 1:3 ratio with water to >clean my saddle. I love my saddle so you can bet that I would >have to trust the concoction completely to use it. I have never >had problems with this leaving the leather slimy or slick, but >just to assure that it doesn't do it to your brace, I would cut >it down to a 1:6 ratio so the soap isn't too intense. I can't >give you an exact recipe because I make the stuff quarts at a >time. :) > >Glycerine Soap Bar: These look a lot like a Neutregina (sp?) >facial bar, the same translucent amber. They are pretty >inexpensive and can be picked up at tack and farm supply stores. >Take a damp cloth, rub it over the bar, then wipe the brace. >Make sure you clean the rag thoroughly and use only fresh water >when doing the rinse wipe, because the soap residue has a >tendency to get tacky. > >Things I would *not* suggest is Lexol, Leather-New, or any other >cleaning/conditioning/polishing mixture because they do leave >leather slick and slimy. Hope these tips help. > > >Carri > > Carri Ann Copas *** copas@rintintin.colorado.edu > /\ > / \ "Goaltending is not a job that would interest > /\ / \ any normal, straight-thinking human." > / \/ /\ --Gump Worsley >/ \ / \ >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5895/index.html > > > > > > > Hi Carri... Thanks for all the information we will note it... the majority of all new goal gear today is made with synthetics... but the cleaning tips for lisas leather brace should work with the synthetics used in the equipment of today... Lots of stuff I never even thought of... I alos heard some varsol or mineral spirits will remove rubber puck marks from the synthetic leather on pads... I have used this to remove some production spots or stains, and it doesnt harm the material, but of course, this is new material, so but it should be safe on material that has seen action! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sherry Miracle Subject: Re: team name ideas? & jersey ideas Date: 18 Jul 1997 09:32:08 -0400 My son's team has tye-died T-shirts for their summer roller hockey league. They call themselves the Psychedelic Psychos. A while back someone on another list suggested a team name of The Islanders and wearing Hawaiian print jerseys. Being from Key West, FL I thought that would be extremely appropriate for our teams but haven't been able to find jerseys. Anyone have ideas on where to find Hawaiian print hockey jerseys. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my guess is that there is not too much hockey being played in Hawaii. But then again I hear "Hockey in Key West??" a lot. Another style jersey my son wants is one with a target on the chest. He wants to study the effect on shooters when they look at the goal & see a big target to shoot at. His guess is that everything will hit him square in the chest, therefore boosting his stats. Anyone else have unique ideas on jersey colors or patterns? Sherry Miracle Goalie Mom Extraordinaire Southernmost Hockey Club http://members.aol.com/KWhockey/shc/main.html At 07:14 AM 7/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >League starts in September and we need a name. Send out your team names and >maybe we can, .. borrow it? > >Thanks, >Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Br3166@aol.com Subject: Re: team name ideas? Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:31:18 -0400 (EDT) A couple of other names I've seen you might want to consider: Pylons (with bright orange jerseys with traffic cones on the front) Lubers (who knows the origin of this one....) Zebras (team made up of referees) Dragons (approaching normal but unusual for the area) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SexyStangs@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: team name ideas? Date: 18 Jul 1997 13:08:41 -0400 (EDT) well...there's my school's mascot, the Crusaders. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Brown Subject: Re: Goal Mask Custom Designs/Artwork Date: 18 Jul 1997 14:27:00 EDT To all subscribers and members of the goaltending fraternity: If a manufacturer was going to offer 5 Custom paint designs for a stock paint program for goal masks, What designs would you most like to see? Examples of current stock offerings include: Skull & Cross Bones, Shark, Polar Bear, Creatures (reptiles), Lightning, Flames, Potvin, etc. Please, the more creative and unique suggestions for designs/artwork the better. Should we decide to incorporate your idea into our stock program, there could be something in it for you......... Please include your Name, address, telephone number, hat (head) size?????? Your input is valued so think hard. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. Kris Gowen" Subject: Re: team name ideas? & jersey ideas Date: 18 Jul 1997 11:44:20 -0800 My friends' team on which I am a sub wears Hawwain shirts and calls themselves "Tiny Bubbles." They just get big old shirts from a thrift store and iron on numbers on the back. I love it personally. _____________________________________________________________________ L. Kris Gowen PHONE: (415) 725-8185 Stanford Center on Adolescence FAX: (415) 725-8207 Jordan Quad / Cypress Hall C ladyg@leland.stanford.edu Stanford, CA 94305-4145 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: Goal Mask Custom Designs/Artwork Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:24:12 -0800 Todd Brown of Bauer wrote: > > If a manufacturer was going to offer 5 Custom paint designs for a > stock paint program for goal masks, Well, then, they wouldn't be custom, would they? _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd June 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." -- from Robert Wilensky at UC Berkeley: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: BOLD SERIES SNEAK PREVIEW Date: 19 Jul 1997 19:33:46 -0400 Well, as I told you the other day, our BOLD series is here... For those of you wanting a quick peek at it, check out the main WEB PAGE, and you will see a group picture of the new Pads and Gloves for 1998, we will be updating the pad and glove pages within the next few days, to give you a better look at one of the best pad lines in the WORLD! Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Foster Subject: Re: team names Date: 20 Jul 1997 10:51:34 -0400 (EDT) I play for the Snow Dogs now. One of the more interesting teams in the Summer league is the Flaming Flamingos. Bright blue jersies with hot pink logo, number, and name. They have a good fan following, and they hang inflatible flamingos from the outside of the glass. -Mike Foster Lord Wolfger Silberbaer mfoster1@voyager.net Incipient Shire of Altenberg www.arrowweb.com/Wolfger/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Foster Subject: Re: (Fwd) TEAM NAME IDEAS Date: 20 Jul 1997 10:57:51 -0400 (EDT) At 06:09 PM 7/17/97 +0000, you wrote: >Good one. if you'rehaving trouble getting sponsors, do what one team >did htis year that I played against - they named their team Unfunded. > Another groupwas going to get jerseys that only said "This Space for >rent". Those are both good. We were originally going to go with "This space for rent" or "your name here". Also thought about "The Blanks". But in the end, we felt "Snow Dogs" was a team name that might inspire a little more self-confidence in the team. We're still unsponsored, though. -Mike Foster Lord Wolfger Silberbaer mfoster1@voyager.net Incipient Shire of Altenberg www.arrowweb.com/Wolfger/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: parents of goalies Date: 20 Jul 1997 12:36:50 -0400 Hello, My son has been offer 5 different teams to play at this coming fall, the only problem is all teams mean leaving home. My son is 15 and I know he can play at levels offer.(Jr.A, Jr. B and three Midget AAA) He is looking at the the nearest mideget team which is only 5 hours away - a very fine program. My son is well balance and a fine student - education is a must! All the teams offer are good programs and its nice to see some offers, here in our area theres very little in the ways of quailty teams, or teams at all. I was wondering how other people have cope - good or bad times? Thanks, Gregg gjohnson@portup.com ******************************************************************* Never Sweat the small stuff and remember everything is small stuff! ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Santarcangelo Subject: Re: (Fwd) next season's cost Date: 20 Jul 1997 12:04:45 -0500 Here in Dallas at the Stars Center, I think it runs about $600-650 for a 33 game Winter season. >Here in the Denver-area Rocky Mtn. Hockey League over-21 division, the cost >for the upcoming 97/98 season with 22 games and playoffs is $355. How does >that compare elsewhere in the US and Canada? In this area, we only have 5 >sheets of ice and only 2 leagues, so I guess that they have us over a barrel.... > >Mike >(a proud Battram user) > > >The men's league I play in will cost each player around $300-350 for >a 25 game season (depending on whether or not we get a sponsor). My >women's league will run about $450 for a 22 game season and a >practice every week (practices for my team are an hour and a half). >Hockey North America was charging about $400 a couple years ago. And >this is metro Detroit where we have many rinks and prices are fairly >competitive. So $355 for $22 games seems reasonable. Ice costs run >from $125-175 an hour (depending on the rink) and referees and >scorekeepers are generally paid to be there (refs make anywhere from >$20-$30 per game here, depending on the level and scorekeepers get >$6-7 a game). Its an expensive sport but its worth it. > >Patty >probably a Battram user soon. > > > ************************************************** Mike Santarcangelo msantar1@airmail.net http://web2.airmail.net/msantar1 ************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy Johnston" Subject: Goalie Sticks Date: 18 Jul 1997 09:36:15 -0700 Goal sticks do break, I have broken a few sticks at the shaft by making a clearing shot. Most sticks do break along the blade and heel due to the continuous impact of the puck. As far as sizing is concerned, this is something that an individual will have to work out on there own with the help of an informed retailer or others. Some of the points to look at are: :paddle length :Lie of the stick :radius of the heel :overall length Factors that will influence the choice of sticks are things such as: - your height, - your style of play i.e.. stand-up or butterfly, - how deeply you go into your crouch, - your puck handling ability - a few things such as color and so on. The best course of action is to determine a few sticks that "fit" you and then try them out. Once you hit upon the right one stick with it. A final option is to get a stick made for you. This is not as ostentatious as it sounds, you can usually get a stick designed and manufactured for you as long as you are willing to purchase a large number of them, usually a minimum of 1 dozen. /\ Randy Johnston /\ /\ / \ Whistler / \ /\/ \/\ /\ British Columbia / \ / \ / \/ \ Canada. / \/ \/ \ randyj@whistler.net / \ \ \ http://www.whistler.net/home/randy/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jlove042@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) next season's cost Date: 20 Jul 1997 16:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Here in New York, the league is only 11 games plus playoffs, ans costs us $200... Hockey leagues over here gets pretty expensive.....Last year it cost us $310 with full uniforms...Our team was the Gamblers and we won it all. John #42 Gamblers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: yikes! Date: 21 Jul 1997 10:46:10 +0000 You know it's going to be a BUSY night in net when....... Last night I played in the "Engineers Challenge" - a coupleguys I knowwho work for an enginerring firm set up a game with a rival firm. They needed a keeper so they asked me to play. They told me it would be good competition - 2 guys from the other team used to play for Eastern Michigan University and one had a brother who played for Uof Michigan. I should have gotten suspicious when they didn't mention where the guys from our teamplayed. So, anyways, we're in the locker room getting ready for the game. One guy int he corner is putting on his "hockey pants" - a pair of cutoff denims for the bottom layered, covered by a pair of black and blue checked flannel boxer shorts. Quite a fashion statement - didn't quite match the red, white and blue socks and the greeen and yellow jersey, but who cares, huh?!? Then, I saw the guy two people down from him struggling to get into his pants - they were obviously froim by-gone playing days - they were very "form-fitting". I was surprised he could still breathe, they were so tight. I knew if he fell he'd have a hard time getting up without splitting his pants, so I had that to look forward to... Then, I saw the next guy reach into his bag and pull out his helmet. I almost died laughing as it was a lacrosse helmet - he hasn't gone out and bought a hockey helmet yet. It was too funny. I just looked around the room and said "I'mgoing to see a LOT of shots, aren't I????" It was funny. I wish someone had brought a camera - a team picture to remember the motley crew by would have been a great keepsake! And we only lost 6-2! So great fun was had by all! Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: yikes! Date: 21 Jul 1997 14:32:39 +0000 Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:50:14 -0400 > To: pschoff@ta-research.com > From: Scott Battram > Subject: Re: yikes! > At 10:46 AM 7/21/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >Then, I saw the next guy reach into his bag and pull out his helmet. > >I almost died laughing as it was a lacrosse helmet - he hasn't gone > >out and bought a hockey helmet yet. It was too funny. I just looked > >around the room and said "I'mgoing to see a LOT of shots, aren't > >I????" It was funny. I wish someone had brought a camera - a team > >picture to remember the motley crew by would have been a great > >keepsake! > > > >And we only lost 6-2! So great fun was had by all! > > > >Patty > > >> > I gotta ask Patty, > > What are you doing in the guys room before the game?? hehehe... > > And looking at their shorts, and how they are "form fitting!" hahaha > > > Scott Battram > The janitor's closet was full, so I was "forced" to use the guys locker room - bummer for me - hahahaha And Hey, a girls gotta have some entertainment. You guys don't have a complete corner on that market!!!! I've learned not to wear my spandex unitards when playing with the guys - its a one way street with the flashing, here! > And although some of the guys didn't have much of a form to fit, it was kind of difficult notot notice!!! I've sure gottne my money's worth this past year - if you remember my story about the table dancer guy! makes life interesting...hahaha Patty : ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: yikes! Date: 21 Jul 1997 14:38:28 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-to: EdRush@fan.net Organization: Write Away Now >... "Engineers Challenge"... Was ice or roller hockey? > ... his "hockey pants" - a pair of > cutoff denims for the bottom layered, covered by a pair of black and > blue checked flannel boxer shorts. That sounds pretty bizarre, all right. Surely it must have been roller hockey. No, it was ice hockey. Good thing he didn't fall - the ice was a little slushy..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PSUCKIII@aol.com Subject: Re: Goal Mask Custom Designs/Artwork Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:57:51 -0400 (EDT) my mask is old man winter. On the sides he is holding a puck and freezing it as it crumbles in his hands. Around the edges of the mask are glazier and ice cicles. on the back it says hockey is cool. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Foster Subject: First funny story, and first shut-out!!! Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Okay, I now have my first truly (IMO) funny story. Just an hour ago, looking at the last 8 minutes of the 3rd period, hoping I can hang on to my first-ever shutout, I get this *incredible* itch, right under the hard part of my back protector. Can't get the time to have somebody scratch it properly, and can't get it with stick or glove, I start rubbing against the crossbar, in bear-like fashion, as the other team starts breaking down the ice... All I can think of is how positively *stupid* I must look, rubbing my back furiously up and down the crossbar... And how even more stupid I'm going to look if they score because of it! To make a long story short, my D broke up the play and I eventually managed to kill the itch.... And rack up my first S.O.!!!!! -Mike Foster Lord Wolfger Silberbaer mfoster1@voyager.net Incipient Shire of Altenberg www.arrowweb.com/Wolfger/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PelusoM@aol.com Subject: Edge gear Date: 23 Jul 1997 11:07:25 -0400 (EDT) I saw a "new" brand of goalie gear today, "EDGE"...I hear they used to be EDDY ... anybody know anything aboit these guys? The stuff I saw (Masks and pads) looked very very cool...That's all for now. Jeff #29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: Pro-Masque Goalie Helmets: July Special Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:30:32 -0400 Hi All, The Pro-Masque site has been updated with new links and now pricing information for our custom fitted goalie helmets. I also want to let you know that we are in the final 7 days of our July special. Purchase a goalie helmet and paint job on or before July 31, 1997 and you will receive: 10% off the helmet price 10% off the paint job price And we now have free shipping. For more information and pricing, please see our newly updated Web page at http://www.promasque.com or call Matt Garland at 603-878-0806. KRB Best Regards, Kevin Burgess "Webmaster" - Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks http://www.promasque.com 603-878-0806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Fwd: Goalie Leg Pads Wanted Date: 24 Jul 1997 10:28:48 -0700 Here, this is from a friend of mine. I though it might do better on this list. give him an email if yer interested. Tal ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Received: 07/18 9:56 AM Reply-To: bay-area-hockey@plaidworks.com Goalies, My son is searching for new pads that he can use for indoor roller hockey. He needs a 32" set. If anyone has a pair they no longer need, please email me. I'm in San Jose. Thanks Larry Seiden lseiden@pa.hodes.com ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Kelsey Subject: Perani's sale Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:56:01 -0500 I took Friday afternoon off from work and drove the Waterford MI to the annual sale that Perani's has every year. They take over one entire ice rink to display everything. I walked in the door, and my first reaction was - WOW! (a polite translation of what I actually said!). It is hard to believe that that much new hockey gear can all be in one place. Most of it is goalie stuff.... They caught me with my checkbook open. I went up looking for a new helmet - I have been playing with a regular helmet for the past 12 years or so, and I figured it was time. I tried on the Itechs and one other brand that was on display, and then tried on the ReidiC brand from Sweden. The manufacturer was there at the sale - they flew in from Sweden for the week. They have a liner that is form fitted to your head, and it works. The liner comes out of the helmet, is heated in an oven for about 15 minutes, put back into the helmet, and you put it on and squeeze for a couple of minutes. After all that I have a helmet that really fits well. I also got a new pair of goalie pants - Heatons - they have come a long way since I bought pants 10 years ago. There is a lot more padding all the way around, and the legs are wide enough at the base that my thigh guards now easily fit under the pant leg. The last useful purchase was a Heaton practice jersey. It is huge - and has pads sewn into the front around the shoulders. When I wear it over the rest of my gear it comes almost to the top of my pads. It has already swallowed up one puck that tried to slip through there.... When I put it on for a game Saturday evening a couple of my team mates asked if it was legal.... I also bought a bag to carry my pads in. It makes it a lot easier to carry them, and takes a lot of wear and tear off the straps. If you haven't been to that sale, and are within a days drive of Detroit, you need to make it next year. I was able to compare the different brands of everything I bought and pick what really fit and what I thought was the best for me. I did not even take time to look at pads, gloves, blockers, upper body protectors, etc. It would have taken the rest of the four days to go through it all! Did anyone else make it? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: Perani's sale Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:38:53 -0700 > I took Friday afternoon off from work and drove the Waterford MI > to the annual sale that Perani's has every year. ... Wow, I'm envious. > The last useful purchase was a Heaton practice jersey. It is > huge - and has pads sewn into the front around the shoulders. ... > Saturday evening a couple of my team mates asked if it was > legal... I always carry both of our team jerseys -- one red and one white -- in my bag. Last night, a teammate forgot his red one (which was the sweater du jour), so I lent him mine, and I wore the white one. (Goalies can get away with being out of uniform better than forward can.) It was hilarious to see this skinny guy wearing this "tent" that's big enough* to fit loosely over my Heaton 90-Z protector. BTW, we won and are now 7-5-0. * When I switched from my old Vaughn unit, I had to rip both sweaters apart and sew in 12-inch panels, one on each side. (Well, I probably could have gotten by with 10 inches each.) -- Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net (permanent) 408-257-4288 (home: Cupertino, California) http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd July 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "The popularity of Windows surged in 1995, when Microsoft began shipping Windows 95, which included many innovations that the Macintosh had introduced 10 years earlier." --Reuters, Friday, July 18, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Tryon" Subject: Sticks ... Date: 29 Jul 1997 09:03:19 EST Howdy everybody... Things have gotten a little quiet in our corner of the univers lately, so I thought I'd toss out a topic. Who's got a favorite make / model of stick, and why is it your favorite? Mine happens to be a Christian Curtis Curve. I bought one a while back as an experiment, and love it. It is a rock solid stick, when I clear the puck I get alot of torque on the shot. When I go down into a barrel block, the connection with the ice/floor is very solid, and doesn't offer any gaps for the puck to slip under the stick. But far and away my favorite thing about this stick is the curve at the but end. When I slide the stick out to poke check, it provides a very solid stopping point for grabbing the butt end. I haven't dropped it yet. Knock on wood (Banging fist against head) --- Jason Tryon (CUJO) 31 "Hockey, kinda like figure skating in a war zone" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TopShelf35@aol.com Subject: a couple of questions Date: 29 Jul 1997 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Hi all, I haven't written for a while, and now I'd like all of your advice/ answers to two questions that I have. First, I have heard from many different people many different answers about who played the first game of hockey, and now I'd like your input. Who in your opinion created the sport? In what area of the world? And in what time period? Any and all answers will be greatly appreciated. The other question is concerning my trip back east in a couple of weeks. I would like suggestions as to what neat hockey- related landmarks, stadiums, shops etc. to visit as I drive east. My route will take me from western Montana through South Dakota and on through southern Minnesota, southern Wisconsin, Chicago and that area, northern Indiana, Ohio and then up through Buffalo NY and north from there to school. Thanks a lot! -Brooke- #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: a couple of questions Date: 30 Jul 1997 00:47:15 -0800 > ... about who played the first game of hockey, and now I'd > like your input. Who in your opinion created the sport? In what > area of the world? And in what time period? I've always heard that Indians -- I forget which -- invented it and white Canadians saw it in the mid- or late 1800s. > ... what neat hockey-related landmarks, stadiums, shops etc. > to visit as I drive east.... and then up through Buffalo > NY and north from there to school. Well, of course there's the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto, which is not all that far north of Buffalo. No hockey fan should miss it. _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd July 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "The popularity of Windows surged in 1995, when Microsoft began shipping Windows 95, which included many innovations that the Macintosh had introduced 10 years earlier." --Reuters, Friday, July 18, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Glove repair Date: 30 Jul 1997 00:54:26 -0800 Well, the elastic straps that connect the blocker glove's fingertips to the hinged protector gave out on me last night. I've already sewn them a couple of times, and now it looks like the elastic material is dead, Jim. Rumor is that someplace back East specializes in repairing hockey equipment and runs ads in The Hockey News, but I can't find such an ad. Does anyone here know how to contact them? Of course, there's also the problem of what to use while the blocker is in transit. Bah. _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd July 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "The popularity of Windows surged in 1995, when Microsoft began shipping Windows 95, which included many innovations that the Macintosh had introduced 10 years earlier." --Reuters, Friday, July 18, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Re: Sticks ... Date: 31 Jul 1997 23:18:09 +1900 (CDT) In a previous message, Jason Tryon wrote: > > Howdy everybody... > > Things have gotten a little quiet in our corner of the univers > lately, so I thought I'd toss out a topic. Who's got a favorite make > / model of stick, and why is it your favorite? > > Mine happens to be a Christian Curtis Curve. I bought one a while > back as an experiment, and love it. It is a rock solid stick, when I > clear the puck I get alot of torque on the shot. When I go down into > a barrel block, the connection with the ice/floor is very solid, and > doesn't offer any gaps for the puck to slip under the stick. But far > and away my favorite thing about this stick is the curve at the but > end. When I slide the stick out to poke check, it provides a very > solid stopping point for grabbing the butt end. I haven't dropped it > yet. Knock on wood (Banging fist against head) I picked up a Christian Curtis curve recently, and I can't say I'm that happy with it. Sure it has the benefit of being able to cover more ice when you're "paddling" but I found it has a couple of drawbacks. First it's a bit too heavy, a problem I've found with the other Christian sticks as well as brands like Sherwood and Bending Branches. I prefer lighter sticks like the Heaton. The other thing is that I feel the curve takes away from my stick handling, in particular poke checking and cutting passes from behind the net. The curve slows me down when I slide my hand from the handle to the butt end of the stick. I suppose it's something that can be mastered with enough practice, but I'm having a hard time with it now. -- Jeff Wilson