From: Sherry Miracle Subject: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 01 Aug 1997 16:45:07 -0400 My 10 year old son just got glasses and refuses to wear them while playing. He is just beginning his journey to becoming very near-sighted (it's his genetic destiny). The problem is that he refuses to wear his glasses under his junior CCM helmet with a metal grid-type face cage (goalie helmet is the next investment, sorry Scott). He says that it is very uncomfortable. We have expanded his helmet to its full size and even tried to cut a groove in the padding to allow for the glasses to not be pressed against the sides of his head. He still refuses. My questions are: Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? Do you have any suggestions on comfort? How do you keep them from fogging up? Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a thing? Would it be better to move up to an adult size helmet? Is there any danger of the glasses breaking and injuring him (His are supposed to be unbreakable frames and shatter-proof plastic lenses) Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Sherry Miracle Goalie Mom Extraordinaire Southernmost Hockey Club http://members.aol.com/kwhockey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Goalies wearing glasses Date: 01 Aug 1997 17:14:44 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- My questions are: How do you keep them from fogging up? Try using a tiny bit of dish soap, rub it on the lens and then wipe it off - this works for the hanging throat gurds - may work on the glasses, but I would check with yor eye doctor first to make sure the soap won't ruin the glasses! There may be chemicals on the coating or something that may not react well to dish soap. Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a thing? I know people that use them. The advantages are (a) you can see, (b) no need to worry about lenses popping out or shattering and (c) the strap that holds them on will be more comfortable under the helmet than the frames of his glasses. Any chance of using contac lenses? If he finds them comfortable, noone will know he has them on (and we know image is important to just about everyone under the age of 70...) Is there any danger of the glasses breaking and injuring him (His are supposed to be unbreakable frames and shatter-proof plastic lenses) I wear my contac lenses when I'm playing, partly out of fear of a lens popping out of the frame an an inopportune moment. 10's a tough age. (Not that I remember being 10 all too clearly...). Good luck! Patty Sherry Miracle Goalie Mom Extraordinaire Southernmost Hockey Club http://members.aol.com/kwhockey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Troy Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 02 Aug 1997 06:13:12 +0200 >My questions are: >Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? Yes I do, some one mentioned contact lenses, isn't there a risk of them falling out during a game? >How do you keep them from fogging up? Here in Swe I simply buy a anit-fog spray that is for everything from glasses to windshields, I would think you could get it in the States/Canada as well... Good luck with your son :) Adam #35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pschoff@ta-research.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 02 Aug 1997 09:07:31 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >My questions are: >Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? Yes I do, some one mentioned contact lenses, isn't there a risk of them falling out during a game? Yeah, and I've had it happen before, but I keep a spare nearby and refs usually are good aboutgiving me a second to put a new on e in. And it's only happened twice in four years. I'd rather wearmy contacs than wreck the frames of my glasses with my helmet. Plus, I sometimes have trouble with my lenses popping out of the frames anywyas - I'm sure under the pressure ofthe helmet, they'd fall out more. For me, frames are more expensive to replace than a contac lens. Patty #33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Malicki Subject: Change of E-Mail Address Date: 02 Aug 1997 12:41:55 -0400 Howdy all: For everyone's information, my new E-Mail address is goalieman30@geocities.com Due to the fact I won't be coming back to WMU until Winter 1998, it was necessary to find another address. Thanks, Matt Malicki -- ------------ goalieman30@geocities.com "I stay unseen by the light I stay untold by the truth I am sold by a lie. By this I am able in all of my travels To make these memories quit. But tonight I clearly recall Every little bit." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: (Fwd) Goalies wearing glasses Date: 02 Aug 1997 23:35:40 -0800 > Try using a tiny bit of dish soap, rub it on the lens and then wipe > it off... check with yor eye doctor first to make sure the > soap won't ruin the glasses! There may be chemicals on the coating >or something that may not react well to dish soap. Then try Ivory soap, which doesn't have any additives. > I wear my contac lenses when I'm playing, partly out of fear of a > lens popping out of the frame an an inopportune moment. I consider soft lenses a lot safer than glasses. I wear the extended-wear Acuvue lenses and have never had a problem with them on the ice. When playing roller hockey, I've tried wearing sunglasses under the goalie helmet, but they just won't fit. _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd July 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "The popularity of Windows surged in 1995, when Microsoft began shipping Windows 95, which included many innovations that the Macintosh had introduced 10 years earlier." --Reuters, Friday, July 18, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: glasses or contacts Date: 03 Aug 1997 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, I tried glasses when I first started and they were a major nuisance. I use soft contacts, they are comfortable, and I've never had one pop out. Occasionally they can get a bit dry so sometimes I take my rewetting solution on the ice and leave it at the timekeepers box. Hope this helps, Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Calderon Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 04 Aug 1997 01:29:43 -0400 On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Sherry Miracle wrote: > My 10 year old son just got glasses and refuses to wear them while playing. > He is just beginning his journey to becoming very near-sighted (it's his > genetic destiny). The problem is that he refuses to wear his glasses under > his junior CCM helmet with a metal grid-type face cage (goalie helmet is the > next investment, sorry Scott). He says that it is very uncomfortable. We > have expanded his helmet to its full size and even tried to cut a groove in > the padding to allow for the glasses to not be pressed against the sides of > his head. He still refuses. > > My questions are: > Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? > Do you have any suggestions on comfort? > How do you keep them from fogging up? > Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a thing? > Would it be better to move up to an adult size helmet? > Is there any danger of the glasses breaking and injuring him (His are > supposed to be unbreakable frames and shatter-proof plastic lenses) > > Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Sherry Miracle > Goalie Mom Extraordinaire > Southernmost Hockey Club > http://members.aol.com/kwhockey > Well, y parents wouldnt buy me contacts until I left for university, so I had to endure wearing glasses for three years of minor hockey. I hated them....the fog up and they often restrict your peripheral vision. On the other hand, my eyesight is so bad that if I played without them I probably wouldn't be able to distinguish the puck from any of the other pretty coloured blurs that were moving around. Sorry if this sounds cruel, but just offer him the same situation I had to face up to: Wear glasses, look like a dork, and save some rubber. Don't wear glasses, look cool, and watch (if you can see it in the first place) the rubber go right past you into the net. When it comes right down to it, isn't playing to the best of your ability the most important thing? Another approach is to take him out back, strap on the equipment, and shoot some hockey balls at him. THen make him wear his glasses and do it again. For sure he will save more with the glasses (I know this from experience). Anyways, he sounds like a good, smart kid so even if your prodding doesn't work he will probably come around on his own once he realizes his game is at jeopardy. -MOSSey "Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER" | Oliver "Moss" Calderon "Do not go gentle into that good night; | calderl@ecf.toronto.edu Rage, rage against the dying of the light." | ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edmoore@juno.com Subject: Re: Goalies Wearing Glasses Date: 03 Aug 1997 23:48:07 -0700 Hi. I've been reading this threat with interest, since I am an Adult that plays goalie (floor hockey) with wire-rim glasses. To be honest, I really don't have many problem fitting mine into my mask... I'm simply using a store bought Koho "Street Revolution" mask ($50 value). My glasses themselves are made of a "bendable metal", and is supposed to snap back from deformations. The glasses themselves are made of hyperfine plastic. I also use some sort of sport attachment to secure the glasses to my face (it's made of a fabric and some rubber tubing, with a plastic piece that can slide to get a good fit to my head), this holds them in place quite well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rvilha@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 04 Aug 1997 14:26:00 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-08-01 16:48:34 EDT, sam@MPGN.COM (Sherry Miracle) wrote: > Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a > thing? First time poster here. There is such a thing. Ever watch basketball? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wore 'em. I think that they would help, because, IIRC, they don't have ear pieces, they have an elastic strap. Of course, a buddy of mine wears contacts, and has no problems at all with 'em... Good luck. -Ron Vilhauer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amazon@kisio.engr.sgi.com (Stormwind) Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses (not-spam) Date: 04 Aug 1997 16:15:20 -0700 i've worn glasses for four years while playing goal. while i can play without, i find that i'm concentrating so hard trying to make things come into focus that i waste too many cycles that should be spent focusing on the *game*. as far as comfort goes, if you're wearing your everyday glasses under a goalie helmet, it can be quite uncomfortable. my current prescription is in a frame where the arms attach at the upper outside corner of the lens. these glasses give me raging headaches when worn with a helmet. instead, i use my old glasses (two prescriptions off, but it's better than none), where the arms attach to the *middle* of the lens instead. i can't explain why, but the placement of the arms on the frame makes a profound difference. also, sometimes you don't notice your head is hurting for a good twenty minutes or so. the helmet will, of course, make a difference...but those things tend to be expensive and glasses can be cheaper to replace than the helmet!. there are "sports glasses", which are essentially rubber-like goggles that the military uses that you pop your lenses into. i don't have loose lenses that i can just pop in and out of things, so i didn't go that route. as far as fogging goes, i have used 20/10, a windshield defogger that you can buy at any auto store. a woman on another hockey list who reportedly used to work in a lab that worked with automotive defoggers has recommended that people NOT use that kind of defogger so close to their eyes...although i've never noticed any sensitivity, tearing or burning that i commonly associate with bad fumes near my eyeballs. you can check with your opthamologist for a heavy-duty defogger that won't be problematic. and i generally never worry about shattering lenses. the mask and cage (i wear a vanvelden IV mask) are designed to take up that kind of impact. provided the helmet doesn't split and the cage doesn't cave in, the worst you could expect is to have the lens jarred loose and fall into the chin. the only time i've seen a lens shatter is if it was glass and got dropped on a hard tile floor. stormwind hell's amazon lord of the frozen realm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Santarcangelo Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 04 Aug 1997 19:56:59 -0500 I used to. I hated the fogging. Comfort was never a factor. I simply could not kee the fog off. I'd stand there like a loco elephant shaking my head side to side trying to un fog them. I gave up and got contacts. The price of contacts will likely be lower than sports goggles. (If you can get a ten year old to put them in his eyes. Sorry I had no good news for you. Mike At 04:45 PM 8/1/97 -0400, Sherry Miracle wrote: >My 10 year old son just got glasses and refuses to wear them while playing. >He is just beginning his journey to becoming very near-sighted (it's his >genetic destiny). The problem is that he refuses to wear his glasses under >his junior CCM helmet with a metal grid-type face cage (goalie helmet is the >next investment, sorry Scott). He says that it is very uncomfortable. We >have expanded his helmet to its full size and even tried to cut a groove in >the padding to allow for the glasses to not be pressed against the sides of >his head. He still refuses. > >My questions are: >Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? >Do you have any suggestions on comfort? >How do you keep them from fogging up? >Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a thing? >Would it be better to move up to an adult size helmet? >Is there any danger of the glasses breaking and injuring him (His are >supposed to be unbreakable frames and shatter-proof plastic lenses) > >Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. > >Sherry Miracle >Goalie Mom Extraordinaire >Southernmost Hockey Club >http://members.aol.com/kwhockey > > > > ************************************************** Mike Santarcangelo msantar1@airmail.net http://web2.airmail.net/msantar1 ************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jwilson@wavefront.com (Jeff Wilson) Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 04 Aug 1997 21:04:29 -0500 (CDT) In a previous message, Rvilha@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-08-01 16:48:34 EDT, sam@MPGN.COM (Sherry Miracle) > wrote: > > > Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a > > thing? > > First time poster here. There is such a thing. Ever watch basketball? > Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wore 'em. I think that they would help, because, IIRC, > they don't have ear pieces, they have an elastic strap. Of course, a buddy > of mine wears contacts, and has no problems at all with 'em... > > Good luck. > > > -Ron Vilhauer One disadvantage about wearing glasses that nobody has mentioned yet is that you're going to have vision problems if you get "snowed". You better hope you get a whistle soon or you'll have a tough time seeing with all that snow on the lenses. -- Jeff Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 04 Aug 1997 22:16:40 -0400 (EDT) You should kinda beware of contact lenses and hockey. I wear one lens (since I only have 1 bad eye...the scary thing is my fraternal twin bro. only has 1 bad eye too...the opposite one...) and I find that I have trouble with it shifting and coming out during games. This is because I SWEAT like mad...and the sweat pours from my head and down my face...and into my eyes...flushing out my lens...cute huh? The sweat band in my mask just can't hold that much sweat...(I love grossing the guys out when i wring it out onto the floor)...so...anyhoo...keep that in mind when considering contacts...I'd say go for the sport goggles...eventually there will be a good anti-fogging spray (I am currently tooling around in the lab with the stuff...I'm trying to determine the active agents, then I will try to make my own stuff from scratch...which will hopefully be more powerfull). Rick "Tigger" Johnson On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Mike Santarcangelo wrote: > I used to. I hated the fogging. Comfort was never a factor. I simply could > not kee the fog off. I'd stand there like a loco elephant shaking my head > side to side trying to un fog them. I gave up and got contacts. The price > of contacts will likely be lower than sports goggles. (If you can get a ten > year old to put them in his eyes. > Sorry I had no good news for you. > Mike > > At 04:45 PM 8/1/97 -0400, Sherry Miracle wrote: > >My 10 year old son just got glasses and refuses to wear them while playing. > >He is just beginning his journey to becoming very near-sighted (it's his > >genetic destiny). The problem is that he refuses to wear his glasses under > >his junior CCM helmet with a metal grid-type face cage (goalie helmet is the > >next investment, sorry Scott). He says that it is very uncomfortable. We > >have expanded his helmet to its full size and even tried to cut a groove in > >the padding to allow for the glasses to not be pressed against the sides of > >his head. He still refuses. > > > >My questions are: > >Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? > >Do you have any suggestions on comfort? > >How do you keep them from fogging up? > >Would prescription sport goggles be better or worse? Is there even such a > thing? > >Would it be better to move up to an adult size helmet? > >Is there any danger of the glasses breaking and injuring him (His are > >supposed to be unbreakable frames and shatter-proof plastic lenses) > > > >Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Sherry Miracle > >Goalie Mom Extraordinaire > >Southernmost Hockey Club > >http://members.aol.com/kwhockey > > > > > > > > > ************************************************** > Mike Santarcangelo msantar1@airmail.net > http://web2.airmail.net/msantar1 > ************************************************** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norris Douglas Todd Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 05 Aug 1997 09:34:09 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Tigger wrote: > and I find that I have > trouble with it shifting and coming out during games. This is because I > SWEAT like mad...and the sweat pours from my head and down my face...and > into my eyes...flushing out my lens...cute huh? The sweat band in my mask > just can't hold that much sweat... Same thing happens to me (although I wear two lenses - one in each eye, of course :-) I've started wearing a bandana (made from an old shirt) over my head when I play - that, combined with the sweatband, seems to be more than adequate. I agree, though - just the sweatband doesn't cut it for me either... Talk to you later! Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "It makes me mad when people say I turned and ran like a scared rabbit. Maybe it was like an angry rabbit, who was going to fight in another fight, away from the first fight." - Deep Thought, Jack Handey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 05 Aug 1997 13:20:09 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Norris Douglas Todd wrote: > Same thing happens to me (although I wear two lenses - one in each eye, of > course :-) I've started wearing a bandana (made from an old shirt) over > my head when I play - that, combined with the sweatband, seems to be more > than adequate. I agree, though - just the sweatband doesn't cut it for me > either... I don't have room under my helmet for a headband so what I did was took a terry washcloth, cut a piece of it out of it, put some velcro on it and stuck it in place of the headband on the inside of my helmet. It's a little tight, but works ok. Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Rush Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 05 Aug 1997 12:02:08 -0700 > > ... I agree, though - just the sweatband doesn't cut it for me > > either... > > ...terry washcloth, cut a piece of it out of it, put some velcro on >it and stuck it in place of the headband on the inside of my helmet. I second Mark's method. My standard-issue Heaton helmet came with something much like that, except that it seems to be glued in. It does a good job of keeping the sweat out of my eyes. About the only time when I get salt in the eyes is when I get a face wash from a skater or my water bottle, and the sweat washes into the eyes. It clears quickly, though, and has never bothered my contact lenses. _____________________________________________________ Ed Rush mailto:EdRush@fan.net http://www.flash.net/~erush/ (updated 23rd July 1997) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/track/9779 (hockey team) "Microsoft felt compelled to [advertise]: '...There are over 60 million Windows 95 users worldwide.' Sound familiar? It should, because that is the exact number of Mac OS users worldwide." -- Eldee Stephens III, Thessian Technologies Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: sweat bands Date: 05 Aug 1997 09:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Hi guys, The sweatbands that come in the masks are usually pretty thin. I devised one for myself in my old cage and mask combo by cutting a wrist band, made for running in half, and anchoring it into the mask with the bolts that hold the cage on. Those are much thicker and you can take them out and wash them. You can glue one of those to a piece of velcro and replace the thinner ones they put in the masks (darn, I should have patented it but I didn't think you guys were concerned about having your makeup run from perspiring while you were on the ice...) :). It gives you a lot more protection from water running into your eyes. Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jamsac@aol.com Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 06 Aug 1997 04:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Give yer head a shake,there aren't 60 million Macs much less Mac OS users. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: sweat bands Date: 06 Aug 1997 12:55:13 +0100 goalieootttaA wrote: > > The sweatbands that come in the masks are usually pretty thin. I devised I had the same problem - until Hotbranch got hold of some extra thick sweat pads that work wonders. I think they were Itech ? Hotbranch, can you remember ? Malcolm -- Malcolm (recent 3-2-0 sav%87.12 GAA 5.92 - career 24-21-1 85.86% 5.93) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results & Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Strobridge Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 06 Aug 1997 08:14:36 -0400 >>My questions are: >>Does anyone else wear glasses while playing? >Yes I do, some one mentioned contact lenses, isn't there a risk of them >falling out during a game? Well, I just got my soft contacts at the beginning of this summer and I think they're great. They're a big improvement over not wearing glasses under the helmet (I found that wearing them was pretty uncomfortable). I've only had a lens pop out once after trying to scratch an itch with my blocker hand. The irony is, I felt it pop out, watched it fall to the ice, managed to take a glove off and pick it up, then skate to the bench (thankfully it was a pick-up game). I then proceeded to put it back in my eye (after cleaning it) only to have it fall off my finger and lose it on the bench. *shrug* Oh well, I've found that I'd rather put up with the very rare $65 expenditure to replace a lost lens than put up with trying to wear glasses under the helmet or not being able to see the puck without glasses. Just my $0.02, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rsandler Subject: Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 06 Aug 1997 09:26:25 -0400 I have finally had enough with glasses. My most (read only) problem is with fogging and other moisture on the lenses. Anyway, with a -8.5 prescription with astigmatism around 2.5, contacts are not a viable option. LASIK surgery is however. I am attending a seminar on it tonight and have an evaluative eye exam scheduled for Friday, I'll keep you guys updated. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leahs@earthlink.net (Larry Smith) Subject: Re: sweat bands Date: 06 Aug 1997 09:12:31 -0700 (PDT) >Hi guys, > >The sweatbands that come in the masks are usually pretty thin. I devised >one for myself in my old cage and mask combo by cutting a wrist band, made >for running in half, and anchoring it into the mask with the bolts that >hold the cage on. Those are much thicker and you can take them out and >wash them. You can glue one of those to a piece of velcro and replace >the thinner ones they put in the masks (darn, I should have patented it >but I didn't think you guys were concerned about having your makeup run >from perspiring while you were on the ice...) :). It gives you a lot more >protection from water running into your eyes. >Lisa The detachable sweat band I-Tech makes for their mask is quite thick and works very well in my VanVelden. It would probably also work in any other mask and most helmets. I also tried the sweatband trick and it worked for a while. The I-Tech, though is thicker and comes with velcro attached. It only costs a couple of bucks and is worth it in terms of labor saved and in being the thickest. Since it attaches to the inside front of the helmet it also avoids having to wear a sweatband around your head inside the helmet which can be quite uncomfortable. It keeps sweat out of my eyes very well, even when playing in our current heat wave! Larry Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ed Hughes" Subject: (Fwd) Re: Goalies wearing glasses Date: 06 Aug 1997 12:12:21 -0600 Ron mentioned he was looking into LASIK. I had it done back in April and couldn't be happier. Before I go further I needto say that this isn't for everyone and if interested you need to ask lots of questions and seriously consider it. I was about 20/400 or worse (about 6.5), but with glasses I was 20/15 and contacts about 20/20. (I used to wear glasses in High School and first year of college and was miserable. It really hurt my game.) After the surgery I am 20/15 in my left eye and 20/40 in my right. This is interesting since I am right eye dominate. I doubt this is actually true, but I feel and if I am getting a little cross-eye dominate. The 20/40 does hurt my play a little, but as time goes by it seems to have less effect. The surgery was quite smooth with the small exception of a few broken blood vessels in one eye that cleared up after about three days or so. After wearing glasses since the third grade, it feels like I never wore glasses or contacts ever. I was really concerned about taking good correctable vision and doing this and think anyone contemplating this should also enter the idea with caution. But now I am quite happy. Ironically, my problem now is deciding to repeat the prodcedure on my right to get my vision all the way to 20/20 (or perhaps better). My eye doctor believes this is going to happen, but said that my right is good for reading and my left for distance and if I leave it the way it is I will probably never need glasses again. Including reading glasses as I get older and the natural hardening of the lens occurs. The doctor recommened using a single use lense when I play hockey to get my right eye to 20/20. I will probably do this, but my only concern with regards to atheletics is that my vision, left as it is, will probably become monocular. That can be tough to judge the actual position and speed of an object like a puck... The most difficult part of the process was not being allowed (doctors orders) to play hockey for two months. The only other thing to consider is that any elective, corrective eye syrgery should be done on eyes that have stablaized. According to my doctor that usually means for someone who past the age of 30. Prior to that, most peoples vision will continue to get worse until about 30. Not until the 50's and the lense hardens, does the vsion have begin to get worse, but this usually far sightedness. Oh well, my $.02 worth. Ed --- Forwarded mail from rsandler@detroit.freenet.org Reply-To: rsandler@detroit.freenet.org Resent-From: hockey-goalie@xmission.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:27:27 -0600 I have finally had enough with glasses. My most (read only) problem is with fogging and other moisture on the lenses. Anyway, with a -8.5 prescription with astigmatism around 2.5, contacts are not a viable option. LASIK surgery is however. I am attending a seminar on it tonight and have an evaluative eye exam scheduled for Friday, I'll keep you guys updated. Ron ---End of forwarded mail from rsandler@detroit.freenet.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin R. Burgess" Subject: New Goalie Coaching Article Date: 06 Aug 1997 19:39:26 -0400 Hi All, Once again, I have updated The Goalie Factory with the latest goalie coaching article by Fred Quistgard, this one entitled Cockiness vs. Arrogance. It is quite good, and I am always looking for feedback on Fred's articles. It can be found at http://www.promasque.com where you can choose The Goalie Factory. We also have a new August special worth $79.95, please check it out! Hope you like the info. KRB Best Regards, Kevin Burgess Webmaster Pro-Masque Custom Fitted Goaltenders Masks 603-878-0806 http://www.promasque.com The Hockey Academy 603-880-8787 http://www.thehockeyacademy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Cubberly Subject: Sweat Bands Date: 07 Aug 1997 10:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Cubberly Masks offers a heavy duty white terrycloth sweat band with 1" wide Velco sewn on and an adhesive backing to stick inside the mask. They are highly absorbant, easily removed and machine washable. Some goalies change them between periods. Cost: $ 3.00 each including shipping. Thanks, Ed Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc 15 Maryanne Terrace Stanhope, NJ 07874 (201) 448-0512 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: New pads :-) Date: 08 Aug 1997 14:48:37 +0100 Just a quick(ish) note, to say that I've successfully returned from two weeks hockey camp in Winnipeg, with my new Battram pads (as pictured in the toe strap tying instructions on Scott's pages), and catcher and blocker, joining my body armour in my Battram equipment cupboard. The pads are brilliant, fit very well - with the knee brace, and thigh strap it almost feels like I don't need the buckles. The blocker felt like it was molded to my hand as soon as I got it, and once I'd worked out the intracacies (sp?) of the catcher that's right up there too. Scott, perhaps you could do a "how to work in a catcher" section for your pages ? Also, as I visited Scott to pick up the pads, he was able to adjust the thigh straps while we waited, and prove to us that he can use a sewing machine !! Thanks again Scott Malcolm PS anyone out there moaning about UPS taking a week to deliver, I ordered the kit in February and didn't get it until July - that's frustration for you - although it was worth it all in the end. -- Malcolm (recent 3-2-0 sav%87.12 GAA 5.92 - career 24-21-1 85.86% 5.93) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head British Hockey Results & Tables: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~sonic/hockey.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KNOBERT16@aol.com Subject: Re: New Goalie Coaching Article Date: 08 Aug 1997 14:28:27 -0400 (EDT) please cancle my subscription to your newsletter and any other mailings i am no longer interested thank you very much in advance for your kindness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: New pads :-) Date: 08 Aug 1997 18:21:56 -0400 At 02:48 PM 8/8/97 +0100, you wrote: >Just a quick(ish) note, to say that I've successfully returned from two >weeks hockey camp in Winnipeg, with my new Battram pads (as pictured in >the toe strap tying instructions on Scott's pages), and catcher and >blocker, joining my body armour in my Battram equipment cupboard. > >The pads are brilliant, fit very well - with the knee brace, and thigh >strap it almost feels like I don't need the buckles. The blocker felt >like it was molded to my hand as soon as I got it, and once I'd worked >out the intracacies (sp?) of the catcher that's right up there too. > >Scott, perhaps you could do a "how to work in a catcher" section for >your pages ? > >Also, as I visited Scott to pick up the pads, he was able to adjust the >thigh straps while we waited, and prove to us that he can use a sewing >machine !! > Hehehe... thanks!! Actually... I can use the other 4 sewing machines here as well... hahaha Glad the stuff is working out good for you... This afternoon I received a call from a goalie who is going to the IHL next season, he is 20, and wants to wear BATTRAM gear... so we will be getting some stuff out to him. If you have a current order with us, its on its way too... we had a large order consisting of 12 full sets to get out to Finland... so we had to do those up... along with some PRO RHI orders as well... Malcolm... you forgot to tell the group about the game in Buffalo, we sat in the Wings owners suite to view the game!! Hahah... when we do something here... we only do it first class... (plus it was free too!!) hahah Malcolm mentioned that he and his wife were planning on going to see an RHI game, and it just happened to be the game myself and some employees were going to watch... so I was able to pull a few strings... and get some tickets... However, Nick Vertucci, the goalie I was hoping to see, as he uses and loves his Battram pro-inline pads and gloves to the point where we will outfit him in ICE hockey gear for the ECHL this season, was traded earlier in the week to New Jersey... so he wasnt in the lineup, however we did run into him in the suite... The other Battram goalie Mark Bernard left the game ill... and the new goaltender Greg Smith finished the game... too bad Nick took his pads to New Jersey... as Smith had to wear the pads made for Nick by another company... All in all it was still great to see our stuff on the floor in the Marine Midland arena!! At anyrate... New Jersey is in contention to win the championship... so... hopefully BATTRAM will be on the RHI championship goalie! That would be cool! (I also have a picture of myslef beside our add on the boards in the arena, if anyone wants it, I can email it..) Likely it will be on the web site soon! >Thanks again Scott > Scott Battram OWNER - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT Woodstock, Ontario CANADA TEL: (519) 539-4495 Fax: (519) 539-6689 BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE: http://execulink.com/~sbattram/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Solar Bear Subject: Help for a friend Date: 09 Aug 1997 10:34:38 -0500 I have a question for my fellow goalies. A close friend is trying to find a minor pro team to try out for this season. He played DII college for 4 years (winning a DII national championship) and played last year in the East Coast and Central leagues. He doesn't really want to go back to the CHL. I was hoping that some of you may have information that could help him contact teams. He has no idea that I've written to this list and I would just like to see him get the chance to play. I anyone has any information please e-mail me directly. Thanks for any help you can give me, Donna solrbear@ix.netcom.com