From: Don Subject: [NG] Ebgames Date: 03 Mar 2003 16:02:57 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_a0Wwa7VlsJMUSACp3/0fTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Has anyone here ordered from ebgames.com? I just ordered some stuff and it says it is shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for some reason it says that the number is not found. Has this ever happened to anyone? --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 --Boundary_(ID_a0Wwa7VlsJMUSACp3/0fTA) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

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--Boundary_(ID_a0Wwa7VlsJMUSACp3/0fTA)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Ebgames Date: 03 Mar 2003 17:12:57 EST --part1_139.1c0ab1c6.2b952d69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/03/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes: > s anyone here ordered from ebgames.com? I just ordered some stuff and it > says it is shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for > some reason it says that the number is not found. Has this ever happened > to anyone? When I ordered my Dell (the computer that I'm typing on that I got today from the purolator guy), it said that the shipment wasn't available or the information thingy even though Dell said it had been shipped. The reason for this is because there are independant truckers. -Jed --part1_139.1c0ab1c6.2b952d69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 03/03/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Stand= ard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes:


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When I ordered my Dell (the computer that I'm typing on that I got today= from the purolator guy), it said that the shipment wasn't available or the=20= information thingy even though Dell said it had been shipped. The reason for= this is because there are independant truckers.

-Jed --part1_139.1c0ab1c6.2b952d69_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LARGEEYES@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Ebgames Date: 03 Mar 2003 17:14:33 EST --part1_de.350fc454.2b952dc9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes: > Has anyone here ordered from ebgames.com? I just ordered some stuff and it > says it is shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for > some reason it says that the number is not found. Has this ever happened > to anyone? > > Could be that it simply hasn't been picked up yet. --part1_de.350fc454.2b952dc9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Standar= d Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes:

Has anyone here ordered from ebgames.com?  I just ord= ered some stuff and it says it is shipping but when I go to track the number= at the fedex site for some reason it says that the number is not found.&nbs= p; Has this ever happened to anyone?



Could be that it simply hasn't been picked up yet. --part1_de.350fc454.2b952dc9_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Ebgames Date: 03 Mar 2003 17:18:36 -0500 In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:12:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jedcross2 writes: > When I ordered my Dell (the computer that I'm typing on that I got today from the purolator guy), it said that the shipment wasn't available or the information thingy even though Dell said it had been shipped. The reason for this is because > there are independant truckers. > > -Jed Indpendent truckers shipping FedEx stuff? That doesn't sound right. Jeremy [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 06 Mar 2003 00:15:03 -0500 (EST) I just read this article from planetgamecube http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 06 Mar 2003 00:21:44 -0600 Hm. Depends. Was the article written by an Apple fanboy? Geoff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:15 PM > > I just read this article from planetgamecube > http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 > > It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why > nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out > of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. > > -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 06 Mar 2003 14:41:49 -0500 (EST) I like that comparison better than likening Nintendo to Sega. Nintendo is here to stay folks! :) lloyd On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Vi On wrote: > > I just read this article from planetgamecube > http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 > > It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why > nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out > of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. > > -Vi > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 06 Mar 2003 14:43:02 -0600 But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening Nintendo to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their own first and second party titles than Sega. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:41 PM > I like that comparison better than likening Nintendo to Sega. Nintendo > is here to stay folks! :) > > > > lloyd > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Vi On wrote: > > > > > I just read this article from planetgamecube > > http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 > > > > It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why > > nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out > > of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. > > > > -Vi > > > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > sx > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 07 Mar 2003 10:30:52 -0500 In a message dated 3/6/2003 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > > > But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The > comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening Nintendo > to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their own > first and second party titles than Sega. > > > Geoff Whether it was written by a fanboy or not, I think most of the points the article made were valid. Jeremy [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 07 Mar 2003 11:18:34 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:30 AM > In a message dated 3/6/2003 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > > > > > > > But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The > > comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening Nintendo > > to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their own > > first and second party titles than Sega. > > > > > > Geoff > > Whether it was written by a fanboy or not, I think most of the points the article made were valid. > > Jeremy Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind any of his points. Sorry. Geoff [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 07 Mar 2003 14:47:25 -0500 In a message dated 3/7/2003 12:18:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > > Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind any of his points. Sorry. > > Geoff So you don't think that Nintendo hasn't relied on much of its success from first-party titles? IIRC, that's what that article said. That seems to me to be doing what they do best, as the article suggests. That's one point there. If someone would post the link again, I can provide more examples. I can't remember too much else other than the fact that many of the points seemed reasonable to me. I have hard time believing that the WHOLE article is beyond logic. Jeremy [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 07 Mar 2003 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) --- Geoff Taylor wrote: > Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind > any of his points. Sorry. It's really pretty simple. Nintendo is in the business to make money, which they are doing quite well...they have no interest in being Number One, if being such requires them to lose money initially to get there. It *is* short-sighted, but you can't argue with huge profits. RS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt MA" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Date: 07 Mar 2003 13:36:57 -0800 In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and = profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the impression = that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all know that MS = is losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you add in = profits from the software? The author basically says that profitability is more important than market = share. Of course that is true. What he doesn't mention is that Sony and MS = also believe in this, but they are trying to increase their market share = in order to have more profitability over the long term. Make less money = (or lose money) now, but reap huge profits in the future. Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok = because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on = market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because I = think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken the = advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. They have done this = with aggresive advertising and marketing. The author implies that Nintendo = doesn't do this because it's not a good way to maximize profits. I believe = that Sony is proving him wrong. "The fact is, third-party games rarely move hardware units, and it's = nearly impossible to predict any impact a single third-party title might = have on sales of other games." I would like to see some numbers to back up this point, especially since = he calls it a fact. I disagree with him. Later on he appears to contradict = this statment with the following: "Sony managed to snag a great game in Grand Theft Auto 3 (and Vice = City)..." There are tons of 3rd party PS2 games that probably move hardware units. = His statement may only apply to Nintendo, whose 1st party games probably = move a lot more consoles than the 3rd party games do. "Nintendo could never overcome Sony in sales in this generation..." We all said this during the *last* generation, with PS1 and N64. With GC, = Nintendo has basically done the same thing as before, and guess what? Same = result. Nintendo needs to look at what Sony is doing, and copy the good = things and learn from their mistakes. It appears that Nintendo does not = learn much from their own mistakes. "To "win" in the future, Nintendo would need to focus on the next = generation of consoles, and meeting or beating Sony and Microsoft to = market."=20 "Sony's head start is a large part of the reason for their dominance = today..." Nintendo came out at the same time as Xbox. That didn't help Nintendo. = Sega DC came out before everyone, and that didn't help them. Coming out = first means you have the best hardware out before everyone else, but what = the author fails to mention, is that once everyone else releases their new = systems, now you have the worst hardware out. "Nintendo needs to negate that advantage and force the consumer to pick a = console based on either brand loyalty or software selection." uhhh.... Nintendo doesn't need to force anyone to do this. Consumers = already buy PS2s because of brand loyalty *and* software selection. There are a few good points that the author makes, but nothing terribly = interesting nor new. Because he doesn't provide backup to many of his = points, he comes across as a typical Internet Critic, the same one that he = denounces at the beginning of this article. >>> vi@cs.bu.edu 03/05/03 09:15PM >>> >It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why >nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go = out >of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. My friends and I used to compare the N64 to the Mac. It gets no respect, = but it's still the best. It costs a little bit more, but hey, if you want = the best, then you have to pay a little bit more. That's ok. We don't need = a system that's #1 in market share. We just need the best system. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gregorys@xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Date: 07 Mar 2003 15:42:47 -0700 Quoting Matt MA : > In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and > profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the > impression that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all > know that MS is losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you > add in profits from the software? I've seen reports in magazine like SD Times and eWeek that state that Microsoft is losing money on the Xbox. Presumably this represents both hardware and software sales. > The author basically says that profitability is more important than > market share. Of course that is true. What he doesn't mention is that > Sony and MS also believe in this, but they are trying to increase their > market share in order to have more profitability over the long term. Make > less money (or lose money) now, but reap huge profits in the future. Does seem short-sighted on Nintendo's part. Of course, no one can predict the future, so this strategy could be categorized as "playing it safe". > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken the > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might be what he is talking about. > They have done this > with aggresive advertising and marketing. The author implies that > Nintendo doesn't do this because it's not a good way to maximize profits. > I believe that Sony is proving him wrong. Same question as before. > "The fact is, third-party games rarely move hardware units, and it's > nearly impossible to predict any impact a single third-party title might > have on sales of other games." > > I would like to see some numbers to back up this point, especially since > he calls it a fact. I disagree with him. Later on he appears to > contradict this statment with the following: This seems to fall under the banner of common knowledge, I don't think that this can be absolutely determined. > "Sony managed to snag a great game in Grand Theft Auto 3 (and Vice > City)..." > > There are tons of 3rd party PS2 games that probably move hardware units. > His statement may only apply to Nintendo, whose 1st party games probably > move a lot more consoles than the 3rd party games do. Most likely true. > "Nintendo could never overcome Sony in sales in this generation..." > > We all said this during the *last* generation, with PS1 and N64. With GC, > Nintendo has basically done the same thing as before, and guess what? > Same result. What is it doing the same as before? > Nintendo needs to look at what Sony is doing, and copy the > good things and learn from their mistakes. It appears that Nintendo does > not learn much from their own mistakes. Which mistakes? > "To "win" in the future, Nintendo would need to focus on the next > generation of consoles, and meeting or beating Sony and Microsoft to > market." > > "Sony's head start is a large part of the reason for their dominance > today..." > > Nintendo came out at the same time as Xbox. That didn't help Nintendo. So neither had a headstart in relation to the other. To say that Sony's year head start on both didn't count quite a bit is naive. > Sega DC came out before everyone, and that didn't help them. Consumer confidence in Sega was down after the Saturn, CD, 32x, GameGear. > Coming out first means you have the best hardware out before everyone > else, but what the author fails to mention, is that once everyone else > releases their new systems, now you have the worst hardware out. ...but a considerable lead. The fact that PS2 was backwards compatible with the PSX was also a very large factor. I sincerely hope that GC's successor is backwards compatible. > "Nintendo needs to negate that advantage and force the consumer to pick a > console based on either brand loyalty or software selection." > > uhhh.... Nintendo doesn't need to force anyone to do this. Consumers > already buy PS2s because of brand loyalty *and* software selection. Don't all consoles have brand loyalty? > There are a few good points that the author makes, but nothing terribly > interesting nor new. Because he doesn't provide backup to many of his > points, he comes across as a typical Internet Critic, the same one that > he denounces at the beginning of this article. > > My friends and I used to compare the N64 to the Mac. It gets no respect, > but it's still the best. It costs a little bit more, but hey, if you want > the best, then you have to pay a little bit more. That's ok. We don't > need a system that's #1 in market share. We just need the best system. Absolutely! Greg [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 07 Mar 2003 20:06:07 -0500 (EST) Could someone repost the link. Thanks lloyd On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Geoff Taylor wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2003 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > geotay@charter.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The > > > comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening > Nintendo > > > to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their > own > > > first and second party titles than Sega. > > > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > Whether it was written by a fanboy or not, I think most of the points the > article made were valid. > > > > Jeremy > > Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind any of his points. Sorry. > > Geoff > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Date: 07 Mar 2003 19:22:02 -0600 > Could someone repost the link. Thanks > > > lloyd http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Date: 07 Mar 2003 19:20:14 -0600 >>>In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the impression that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all know that MS is losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you add in profits from the software?>>>> I'm sure the XBOX is still losing money. One, the entire Asian market is basically a total loss. Then they are still spending loads of cash on advertising, promotions, and the XBOX Live network. Basically, MS is still banking on the future. Now Sony is a different story. I have a very hard time believing that the GC is raking in more cash for Nintendo than the PS2 is for Sony. Last I had heard Sony was no longer losing cash on the PS2 hardware and we all know that PS2 software titles dominate all the sales charts in every territory. Nintendo overall is very profitable due in large part to the Gameboy and it's overpriced software. Monopolies allow you to do such things (see also MS and their overpriced PC software). But subtract out the GB profits and just compare the GC to the PS2 and I would bet that the PS2 is doing quite nicely. I'm just speculating, but this seems quite reasonable to me. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long comment Date: 08 Mar 2003 11:29:42 -0500 (EST) I don't think Microsoft considers this generation as a wash fiscally and are preparing for Xbox 2 which is 100x more of a threat to Nintendo than the first Xbox is. the momementum could seal Nintendo out of the #2 spot indefinitely. lloyd On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Thraxen wrote: > > >>>In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and > profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the impression > that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all know that MS is > losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you add in profits > from the software?>>>> > > I'm sure the XBOX is still losing money. One, the entire Asian market is > basically a total loss. Then they are still spending loads of cash on > advertising, promotions, and the XBOX Live network. Basically, MS is still > banking on the future. Now Sony is a different story. I have a very hard > time believing that the GC is raking in more cash for Nintendo than the PS2 > is for Sony. Last I had heard Sony was no longer losing cash on the PS2 > hardware and we all know that PS2 software titles dominate all the sales > charts in every territory. Nintendo overall is very profitable due in large > part to the Gameboy and it's overpriced software. Monopolies allow you to > do such things (see also MS and their overpriced PC software). But subtract > out the GB profits and just compare the GC to the PS2 and I would bet that > the PS2 is doing quite nicely. I'm just speculating, but this seems quite > reasonable to me. > > Stryder > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt MA" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Date: 12 Mar 2003 11:36:15 -0800 I wrote: > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken = the > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. Greg wrote: >But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might be >what he is talking about. What's relative ROI? [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gregorys@xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Date: 12 Mar 2003 15:30:42 -0700 Quoting Matt MA : > I wrote: > > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is > ok > > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, > because > > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken > the > > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. > > Greg wrote: > >But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might > be > >what he is talking about. > > What's relative ROI? > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > How much they are earning in relation to how much they are spending. If they earn $100 for every $5 they spend, they are getting incredible ROI, even if their overall income is only a thousandth as much as their competition. Perhaps Sony is pulling more money than Nintendo is pulling in, but if most of it is eaten up by expenses, they may actually have less of a profit. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Date: 13 Mar 2003 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) I want Sony and MS to reveal not just the number of shipped units but the number SOLD. On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Matt MA wrote: > I wrote: > > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok > > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because > > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken the > > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. > > Greg wrote: > >But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might be > >what he is talking about. > > What's relative ROI? > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 15:11:42 -0500 (EST) The pokemon ruby and sapphire just came out. Now I never played any of the pokemon series on the gba. I am still surprised how well it's been doing. Because the target audience is teenagers and younger. This game is an RPG game and I would think it would be too complicated for most kids. I am surprise to see my young cousins play this game. Next week Gameboy SP and Zelda WW is coming out. I'll be getting both. Maybe I should buy one of these pokemon games to try, -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) --- Vi On wrote: > > Because the target audience is teenagers and > younger. This game > is an RPG game and I would think it would be too > complicated for most > kids. When my son was seven yrs old, he knew every individual stat for every single pokemon, plus all their attacks, plus how much damage each attack did. I couldn't learn that if I had been studying for three years. Heh. RS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gregorys@xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 15:17:21 -0700 MY son, who turned 3 in October, got interested in video games because of Animal Crossing, the only video game his mother has played in years. Now he plays whenever he gets a chance. His favorite games are: Animal game (Animal Crossing) Red Mario (Super Mario Sunshine) Green Mario (Luigi's Mansion) Mario People (Super Smash Bros. Melee) Monkey Ball 1 & 2 (Super Monkey Ball & Super Monkey Ball 2) As well as the N64 games: Mario Cars (Mario Kart 64) Monkey Airplane (Diddy Kong Racing) Pink Ghost (Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards) His skill level, being 3 years old, isn't very high yet, though he did beat one level of Super Monkey Ball 2 that I had tried several times and hadn't yet beaten. Greg Quoting Rick Sharer : > > --- Vi On wrote: > > > > Because the target audience is teenagers and > > younger. This game > > is an RPG game and I would think it would be too > > complicated for most > > kids. > > When my son was seven yrs old, he knew every > individual stat for every single pokemon, plus all > their attacks, plus how much damage each attack did. > I couldn't learn that if I had been studying for three > years. Heh. > > RS > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 14:51:13 -0800 (PST) --- gregorys@xmission.com wrote: > His skill level, being 3 years old, isn't very high > yet, though he did > beat one level of Super Monkey Ball 2 that I had > tried several times and > hadn't yet beaten. Heh. I think that happens because they haven't learned yet that it's supposed to be hard! :) RS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 21:24:05 -0600 You say that you havent played pokemon on the gba but what about in general? I have pokemon yellow for the color GB and it is an EXCELLENT game. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-ngamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Vi On Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:12 PM The pokemon ruby and sapphire just came out. Now I never played any of the pokemon series on the gba. I am still surprised how well it's been doing. Because the target audience is teenagers and younger. This game is an RPG game and I would think it would be too complicated for most kids. I am surprise to see my young cousins play this game. Next week Gameboy SP and Zelda WW is coming out. I'll be getting both. Maybe I should buy one of these pokemon games to try, -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: RE: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 23:44:35 -0500 (EST) I haven't played any of the pokemons games on gameboy. I have played a little bit of pokemon stadium, pokemon snap. I watched the first pokemon movie with my cousins. Never watched any of the tv series. Perhaps the game that I play most with pokemon in them is Smash Bros melee. I think I'm too old for pokemon so I try to stay away. oh pokemon puzzle challenge was fun too. I just bought the Gamecube Nintendo puzzle collection. Great game for puzzle lovers! -Vi On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Don wrote: > You say that you havent played pokemon on the gba but what about in > general? I have pokemon yellow for the color GB and it is an EXCELLENT > game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ngamers@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-ngamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Vi On > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:12 PM > To: n64 > Subject: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games > > > The pokemon ruby and sapphire just came out. Now I never played any of > the pokemon series on the gba. I am still surprised how well it's been > doing. Because the target audience is teenagers and younger. This game > is an RPG game and I would think it would be too complicated for most > kids. I am surprise to see my young cousins play this game. > > Next week Gameboy SP and Zelda WW is coming out. I'll be getting both. > Maybe I should buy one of these pokemon games to try, > > -Vi > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 19 Mar 2003 22:57:05 -0600 The game is highly addictive. I'm sure you know all about the whole catchem all slogan but when you play you really feel compelled to get out there and try to capture as many as possible. Then they become almost like virtual pets and you want to increase the stats... of course everyone HAS to have a favorite, the one they give all the best TM's (abilities) and stats to. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Vi On Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:45 PM I haven't played any of the pokemons games on gameboy. I have played a little bit of pokemon stadium, pokemon snap. I watched the first pokemon movie with my cousins. Never watched any of the tv series. Perhaps the game that I play most with pokemon in them is Smash Bros melee. I think I'm too old for pokemon so I try to stay away. oh pokemon puzzle challenge was fun too. I just bought the Gamecube Nintendo puzzle collection. Great game for puzzle lovers! -Vi On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Don wrote: > You say that you havent played pokemon on the gba but what about in > general? I have pokemon yellow for the color GB and it is an EXCELLENT > game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ngamers@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-ngamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Vi On > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:12 PM > To: n64 > Subject: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games > > > The pokemon ruby and sapphire just came out. Now I never played any of > the pokemon series on the gba. I am still surprised how well it's been > doing. Because the target audience is teenagers and younger. This game > is an RPG game and I would think it would be too complicated for most > kids. I am surprise to see my young cousins play this game. > > Next week Gameboy SP and Zelda WW is coming out. I'll be getting both. > Maybe I should buy one of these pokemon games to try, > > -Vi > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: Re: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 20 Mar 2003 00:05:43 -0500 (EST) > When my son was seven yrs old, he knew every > individual stat for every single pokemon, plus all > their attacks, plus how much damage each attack did. Yea I heard there was a study showing high school kids know their 150 pokemon better than the periodic table elements. I once watch this chinese game show and the host gave the dad,38 years old, 1 week to memorize the names of all 150 pokemons. At the end of the week he was shown randomly all 150 pictures and have to name them all. If he gets more than 3 wrong, he won't win $10k. The dad won at the end. -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Satoshi GC" Subject: Re: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games Date: 20 Mar 2003 14:07:21 -0600 *sigh* If only game shows like that existed in the US. ;-) -Satoshi My Collection: http://users.ign.com/collection/Takeshi_GC >From: Vi On >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Gameboy SP and pokemon games >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:05:43 -0500 (EST) > > > > > When my son was seven yrs old, he knew every > > individual stat for every single pokemon, plus all > > their attacks, plus how much damage each attack did. > >Yea I heard there was a study showing high school kids know their 150 >pokemon better than the periodic table elements. > >I once watch this chinese game show and the host gave the dad,38 years >old, 1 week to memorize the names of all 150 pokemons. At the end of the >week he was shown randomly all 150 pictures and have to name them all. If >he gets more than 3 wrong, he won't win $10k. The dad won at the end. > >-Vi > > > > >[ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: [NG] May EGM scores Date: 21 Mar 2003 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) PS2 Amplitude: 7.5, 8.0, 7.0 MLB Slugfest 2004: 8.0, 7.0, 6.5 MVP Baseball 2003 : 7.0, 8.5, 7.5 Clock Tower 3: 7.5, 6.5, 6.0 Dynasty Warriors 4: 7.5, 7.0, 8.5 NBA Street vol 2: 9.5, 8.5, 8.5 (co-GOTM) Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: 9.0, 8.5, 9.0 (co-GOTM) ZOE 2: Second Runner: 7.5, 9.0, 8.5 Primal: 6.5, 6.5, 8.0 GCN Army Men: Sarge's War: 4.5, 4.0, 5.0 Ikaruga: 8.5, 8.0, 8.0 The Sims: 9.5, 8.0, 8.5 WWE Crush Hour: 2.0, 4.0, 3.5 Xbox All Star Baseball 2004: 5.0, 5.0, 5.5 Godzilla Destroy All Monsters: 7.0, 4.0, 7.0 Furious Karting: 7.0 (can anyone make a good mario kart clone?) Red Faction II: 7.5 State of Emergency: 6.5, 6.5, 6.0 Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus: 4.0, 6.0, 3.5 UFC Tapout 2: 6.5, 6.0, 5.0 Run Like Hell: 6.5 PSX Inuyasha: A Feudal Fairy Tale: 6.0 GBA Sonic Advance 2: 8.5, 8.5, 8.5 Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo: 9.0, 9.0, 7.5 (I love this game) Golden Sun: The Lost Age: 8.5, 8.0, 8.0 Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire: 7.5, 6.5, 7.5 -Copied off someone from ign boards. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: [NG] GBA SP Date: 22 Mar 2003 16:12:49 -0600 Hey guys I just went out and bought the GBA SP today as the store has just began to sell them. It was 10:00am when I got there and they only had 3 fricken systems left. I was absolutely amazed how fast they were selling seeing as how they had about 20 in since 9:00am she said and this store isn't even that popular at all for videogames. Anyway I took the last platinum version and brought it home. The system is damn small even when you open it up. Everything is just tiny, it definitely looks slick... much more like a PDA than what I had seen in pictures. So far I like the design. The L and R buttons are just the right size, not needlessly clunky and are in a nice location for my hands. The D-Pad is slightly depressed into the system to allow it to fully close and when you press it, it has a really "clicky" feel and it does make some noise but seems a hell of a lot more sturdy than the one on the old design. The screen is beautiful and everything is perfect as far as I can see from a hardware standpoint. The only complaint I have is the no headphone jack. This pisses me off to no end. I can't find a single store in the city I live that actually sells the damn headphone adapter. Bah! Oh well I'll get it sooner or later, for now I just gotta wait 2 more hours until the batteries charge to actually be able to play it :( sigh.... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: [NG] Advance Wars Help Date: 22 Mar 2003 17:51:01 -0600 For those of you with the game or know something about it... can you play against computer opponents with a friend in a multipak gaming session? I have 2 gba's, 2 games, a link cable and such and I still can't get it to work. It ONLY gives me 2 player vs maps, 2player war room maps, and 2player predeployed maps. This seriously sucks, I don't want to have to play my friend all the time, why can't we team up on a computer player like you can do in the Vs mode (where you have to hand your gba back and forth but that's really dumb). Anyone know if this can be done? I can't find anything on the net either that will help to resolve this issue. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt MA" Subject: Re: [NG] Advance Wars Help Date: 24 Mar 2003 16:09:56 -0800 Yes, it can be done. You can even use 1 GBA and 1 Advance Wars to play = multiplayer with a friend against or with CPU players. First, you need to unlock the multiplayer maps. You do this by earning = credits, and then going shopping in the War Chest or whatever it's called. = Earn credits by playing campaign mode or by beating various maps in the = War Room. matt ma >>> d.fentie@shaw.ca 03/22/03 03:51PM >>> For those of you with the game or know something about it... can you play against computer opponents with a friend in a multipak gaming session? =20 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Advance Wars Help Date: 24 Mar 2003 21:46:00 -0600 Hey Matt, thanks for the reply. Do you know what you're talking about though? Because I have almost all the maps in one version of the game but none in the other. The games are designed so that in multipak it takes ALL unlocked games from either cartridge and allows you to play them. So all the maps are there except the ones that you can play against the computer (in my case only 2 player maps) even though I do have maps that are 4 and 3 player... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Matt MA Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 6:10 PM Yes, it can be done. You can even use 1 GBA and 1 Advance Wars to play multiplayer with a friend against or with CPU players. First, you need to unlock the multiplayer maps. You do this by earning credits, and then going shopping in the War Chest or whatever it's called. Earn credits by playing campaign mode or by beating various maps in the War Room. matt ma >>> d.fentie@shaw.ca 03/22/03 03:51PM >>> For those of you with the game or know something about it... can you play against computer opponents with a friend in a multipak gaming session? [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt MA" Subject: RE: [NG] Advance Wars Help Date: 25 Mar 2003 10:16:04 -0800 I've only tried it with 1 GBA and 1 Advance Wars. My brother and I played = against 2 CPU players. matt >>> d.fentie@shaw.ca 03/24/03 07:46PM >>> Hey Matt, thanks for the reply. Do you know what you're talking about though? Because I have almost all the maps in one version of the game but none in the other. The games are designed so that in multipak it takes ALL unlocked games from either cartridge and allows you to play them. So all the maps are there except the ones that you can play against the computer (in my case only 2 player maps) even though I do have maps that are 4 and 3 player... [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Advance Wars Help Date: 25 Mar 2003 14:54:02 -0600 Yeah for some reason when you just go to VS and play with 1 GBA then it works but as soon as you have 2 then it doesn't. Kinda dumb IMHO. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Matt MA Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:16 PM I've only tried it with 1 GBA and 1 Advance Wars. My brother and I played against 2 CPU players. matt >>> d.fentie@shaw.ca 03/24/03 07:46PM >>> Hey Matt, thanks for the reply. Do you know what you're talking about though? Because I have almost all the maps in one version of the game but none in the other. The games are designed so that in multipak it takes ALL unlocked games from either cartridge and allows you to play them. So all the maps are there except the ones that you can play against the computer (in my case only 2 player maps) even though I do have maps that are 4 and 3 player... [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: [NG] zelda ww Date: 28 Mar 2003 02:52:55 -0500 (EST) Playing dungeon 1 reminds me that I'm playing Metal gear solid. I have to sneak around. I spent like 10 minutes sailing from Windfall to Dragoon roost. Is there a faster way to sail? I just hold on to the R button. great game so far. -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 28 Mar 2003 13:12:35 -0800 (PST) I have Zelda, had it since Tuesday, and it's now Friday, and I don't want to play it. It's not that I do not like the game, because I do very much. It's not that I'm stuck at a difficult spot, because I saved it at the Deku Tree island, at just came to shore. The new-ness and freshness of the game has not worn off either. Yet I feel not like paying it. Last night I intended to play Zelda, but ended up playing Jet Set Radio Future for about three hours. This morning I awoke to not feeling well and not fully awake, which made me want to play no games, but by 10:30 I feel fine. But I couldn't bring myself to play Zelda, instead I played Vice City from 10:40 AM to 3:15 PM. But this isn't some isolated incident, this happens with all my new games, I mean every time I get/purchase a new title, or at least a full price title. I will play such title a bunch for anywhere from 2 to 4 days (4 days is uncommon, it's usually 3 days) and then not play it for maybe a week at most (but more often it's 4 days), and it's not that I lose interest, but I think I have some sort of fear of playing the new title, so instead I play something I've had for a while and really dig deep into them (the days following Christmas 2002 when I got Metroid Prime gave me the devotion or whatever to beat Robotech: Battlecry), for instance. This has been going on for a long time now, but I have never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm positive it has happened before that, but that's as far back as my memory will allow for this moment in time and the many moments that follow. I don't know if this is a serious problem, or just some irrational fear of the unknown. Maybe I just answered my own question? The point I'm making is, well I'm not really making a point. I'm just sharing this with the group in an attempt to see if anybody else has such behaviour and perhaps knows why. Now at least you can probably figure out why I sometimes seem to have a different opinion about a game a week or so after I post my first opinion when I'm all giddy about a new title. The room is tilting again. I think that's a sign that it's time stop typing. -Dave "Welcome to the fantasy zone. Get ready!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 01:55:46 -0500 (EST) I'm the same way. The only genre of games that keeps my attention for more than a month is Sports. Games like Metroid, Star Fox, and DK64..while great games just don't grab me like they would 10 years ago. weird i know Lloyd On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Dave wrote: > I have Zelda, had it since Tuesday, and it's now > Friday, and I don't want to play it. It's not that I > do not like the game, because I do very much. It's not > that I'm stuck at a difficult spot, because I saved it > at the Deku Tree island, at just came to shore. The > new-ness and freshness of the game has not worn off > either. Yet I feel not like paying it. Last night I > intended to play Zelda, but ended up playing Jet Set > Radio Future for about three hours. This morning I > awoke to not feeling well and not fully awake, which > made me want to play no games, but by 10:30 I feel > fine. But I couldn't bring myself to play Zelda, > instead I played Vice City from 10:40 AM to 3:15 PM. > > But this isn't some isolated incident, this happens > with all my new games, I mean every time I > get/purchase a new title, or at least a full price > title. I will play such title a bunch for anywhere > from 2 to 4 days (4 days is uncommon, it's usually 3 > days) and then not play it for maybe a week at most > (but more often it's 4 days), and it's not that I lose > interest, but I think I have some sort of fear of > playing the new title, so instead I play something > I've had for a while and really dig deep into them > (the days following Christmas 2002 when I got Metroid > Prime gave me the devotion or whatever to beat > Robotech: Battlecry), for instance. > > This has been going on for a long time now, but I have > never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am > now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is > from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm > positive it has happened before that, but that's as > far back as my memory will allow for this moment in > time and the many moments that follow. I don't know if > this is a serious problem, or just some irrational > fear of the unknown. Maybe I just answered my own > question? > > The point I'm making is, well I'm not really making a > point. I'm just sharing this with the group in an > attempt to see if anybody else has such behaviour and > perhaps knows why. > > Now at least you can probably figure out why I > sometimes seem to have a different opinion about a > game a week or so after I post my first opinion when > I'm all giddy about a new title. > > The room is tilting again. I think that's a sign that > it's time stop typing. > > > -Dave > "Welcome to the fantasy zone. Get ready!" > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 01:00:40 -0600 Lol you make it sounds like you have some huge psychological disaster or something. Ok well I'll tell you what I know from my perspective. As I have aged from a younger videogame player I have too noticed changes in my gaming habits. For instance, I used to only play games that would take 60+ hours to beat but now I like taking quick games with fast action in my study breaks... although this is more of a time constraint than anything. In my case now I find that more and more often I'm starting to buy games and not finish them or not finish them to completion. For example, DK64 is a PRIME candidate for not finishing a game, I can't remember how far I got (not far at all) but I just couldn't get into it at all. I was like "oh wow a dumb banana big deal" every 3 seconds and then tossed the game aside. I used to never put a game down until I had 100% of all the unlockables and everything completely finished but now I'm shying away from that. Ok but enough of that, I'd like to talk about your specific "condition" if I can call it that. I have a few reasons maybe that you're feeling this way: a) Maybe you want to invest time in a game that you KNOW you can have fun with rather than risk your time with the "new" game which may not be as fun. b) You have invested your time in games so much over the years that it is painful to continually start over from scratch learning new controls, building up levels, getting all the items again and you just want to polish off a game with all the extras c) You really just don't like the new game and you want to rationalize your purchase of a bad game by just telling yourself that you'll play it at a later time. This eventually gets pushed back until something sparks your interest back into the game and then you get into it. d) You are more of a retro gamer, you like games that are older and don't have such a hype about them in the media. Lol I don't know does any of this make sense? -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:13 PM I have Zelda, had it since Tuesday, and it's now Friday, and I don't want to play it. It's not that I do not like the game, because I do very much. It's not that I'm stuck at a difficult spot, because I saved it at the Deku Tree island, at just came to shore. The new-ness and freshness of the game has not worn off either. Yet I feel not like paying it. Last night I intended to play Zelda, but ended up playing Jet Set Radio Future for about three hours. This morning I awoke to not feeling well and not fully awake, which made me want to play no games, but by 10:30 I feel fine. But I couldn't bring myself to play Zelda, instead I played Vice City from 10:40 AM to 3:15 PM. But this isn't some isolated incident, this happens with all my new games, I mean every time I get/purchase a new title, or at least a full price title. I will play such title a bunch for anywhere from 2 to 4 days (4 days is uncommon, it's usually 3 days) and then not play it for maybe a week at most (but more often it's 4 days), and it's not that I lose interest, but I think I have some sort of fear of playing the new title, so instead I play something I've had for a while and really dig deep into them (the days following Christmas 2002 when I got Metroid Prime gave me the devotion or whatever to beat Robotech: Battlecry), for instance. This has been going on for a long time now, but I have never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm positive it has happened before that, but that's as far back as my memory will allow for this moment in time and the many moments that follow. I don't know if this is a serious problem, or just some irrational fear of the unknown. Maybe I just answered my own question? The point I'm making is, well I'm not really making a point. I'm just sharing this with the group in an attempt to see if anybody else has such behaviour and perhaps knows why. Now at least you can probably figure out why I sometimes seem to have a different opinion about a game a week or so after I post my first opinion when I'm all giddy about a new title. The room is tilting again. I think that's a sign that it's time stop typing. -Dave "Welcome to the fantasy zone. Get ready!" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 02:10:28 -0500 In a message dated 3/28/2003 4:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, super_trey_bros@yahoo.com writes: > I have Zelda, had it since Tuesday, and it's now > Friday, and I don't want to play it. It's not that I > do not like the game, because I do very much. It's not > that I'm stuck at a difficult spot, because I saved it > at the Deku Tree island, at just came to shore. The > new-ness and freshness of the game has not worn off > either. Yet I feel not like paying it. Last night I > intended to play Zelda, but ended up playing Jet Set > Radio Future for about three hours. This morning I > awoke to not feeling well and not fully awake, which > made me want to play no games, but by 10:30 I feel > fine. But I couldn't bring myself to play Zelda, > instead I played Vice City from 10:40 AM to 3:15 PM. > > But this isn't some isolated incident, this happens > with all my new games, I mean every time I > get/purchase a new title, or at least a full price > title. I will play such title a bunch for anywhere > from 2 to 4 days (4 days is uncommon, it's usually 3 > days) and then not play it for maybe a week at most > (but more often it's 4 days), and it's not that I lose > interest, but I think I have some sort of fear of > playing the new title, so instead I play something > I've had for a while and really dig deep into them > (the days following Christmas 2002 when I got Metroid > Prime gave me the devotion or whatever to beat > Robotech: Battlecry), for instance. > > This has been going on for a long time now, but I have > never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am > now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is > from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm > positive it has happened before that, but that's as > far back as my memory will allow for this moment in > time and the many moments that follow. I don't know if > this is a serious problem, or just some irrational > fear of the unknown. Maybe I just answered my own > question? > > The point I'm making is, well I'm not really making a > point. I'm just sharing this with the group in an > attempt to see if anybody else has such behaviour and > perhaps knows why. > > Now at least you can probably figure out why I > sometimes seem to have a different opinion about a > game a week or so after I post my first opinion when > I'm all giddy about a new title. > > The room is tilting again. I think that's a sign that > it's time stop typing. > > > -Dave > "Welcome to the fantasy zone. Get ready!" I *kinda* know what you're talking about. Sometimes there's a kinda odd feeling of, well, dread that could come fro playing a new game. Like with Mario or Zelda, you almost don't want to play, for fear of not liking them or making the feeling of newness last. I know with any new RE game, there's a special kind of fear from having to play in this tense atmosphere and explore new areas. That's why RE Zero took my so long to beat ... just any time I wanted to play it, the fear that damn game created would keep me away. So yeah, I kinda feel the same, and I can't explain it, either. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 02:24:54 -0500 (EST) Hey gang How big is the Ocean in WW compared to Hyrule Field? Is it 2x larger, 3x, 4x? Lloyd [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 28 Mar 2003 23:43:39 -0800 "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." wrote: > Hey gang > > How big is the Ocean in WW compared to Hyrule Field? Is it 2x larger, 3x, > 4x? > > Lloyd Huge ! Later on, you'll be able to warp around. But I think Nintendo/EAD did something that we've all been waiting for. Sailing the seas, I've encouratered swarms of sharks. Stumbled into uncharted islands. Pirate outposts, and giant squids. And many of these encourters were tense and just... well. The whole sea idea is well done. It's large. Very large. I suppose it is a Hub in disguise, but at leastr in this game, it doesn't feel like you're riding a horse around a small pasture. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vi On Subject: [NG] Change in taste of videogames Date: 29 Mar 2003 03:12:14 -0500 (EST) > This has been going on for a long time now, but I have > never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am > now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is > from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm I know my taste in videogames has change is that I can't really enjoy single player games anymore. GTA, Metal gear solid, DMC2, Omnimusha, RE, Zelda, Mario, Panzer D., are not as fun compared to multiplayer games. I rather play Capcom vs SNK xbox live online than Zelda WW. or rather play Warcraft III than XenoSaga. Games I'm currently playing these days: Nintendo Puzzle collection , fun 4 player puzzles warcraft 3 Ghost recon xbox live nba 2k3 xbox live Capcom vs snk xbox live Games that I sorta have to force myself to play currently: Zelda Xenosaga -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: RE: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 06:44:03 -0800 (PST) --- Don wrote: > Lol you make it sounds like you have some huge > psychological disaster or > something. Ok well I'll tell you what I know from > my perspective. > > I have a few reasons maybe > that you're feeling > this way: > > a) Maybe you want to invest time in a game that you > KNOW you can have > fun with rather than risk your time with the "new" > game which may not be > as fun. > > b) You have invested your time in games so much > over the years that it > is painful to continually start over from scratch > learning new controls, > building up levels, getting all the items again and > you just want to > polish off a game with all the extras > > > Lol I don't know does any of this make sense? > Wow. That's deep. I think "B" is a good contender. But "A" is also kinda near the mark. I did force myself to play Zelda last night. Got the second (item) with ease. The boss was kinda simple, more like a boomerang tutorial than a boss. Damn, I love the new boomerang. ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 06:55:11 -0800 (PST) --- "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." wrote: > > Hey gang > > > > How big is the Ocean in WW compared to Hyrule Field? > Is it 2x larger, 3x, > 4x? > > > > Lloyd That's kinda hard to measure, since I could never find the surveyor tools in Ocarina of Time. I guess it all depends on your TV size. ;-) Really, I’m not yet at the point of free exploration (the boat can be a problem at first, he argues too much) but it does take some time to sail from one place to another, and there seem to be a great deal of little islands all over the place, and other things at sea. So I’m not sure of the size, but there seems to be a lot more going on that you would first think. ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Satoshi GC" Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 10:36:32 -0600 I kind of feel the same way. Of course, the reason for me might be that I only have the Japanese version and can't follow the characters' instructions very well. Haven't taken the time to look at the translations yet. I do like the fact that WW uses furigana though, where OoT does not. That's the one I've actually been playing lately. It's interesting to see which kanji I can recognize. I must say, I was pretty damn pleased with the graphics the first time I played it (WW). Maybe I'll get back to it soon.... or maybe I'll still be playing OoT. ;-) -Satoshi My Collection: http://users.ign.com/collection/Takeshi_GC >From: Dave >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [NG] Zelda and questions >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:12:35 -0800 (PST) > >I have Zelda, had it since Tuesday, and it's now >Friday, and I don't want to play it. It's not that I >do not like the game, because I do very much. It's not >that I'm stuck at a difficult spot, because I saved it >at the Deku Tree island, at just came to shore. The >new-ness and freshness of the game has not worn off >either. Yet I feel not like paying it. Last night I >intended to play Zelda, but ended up playing Jet Set >Radio Future for about three hours. This morning I >awoke to not feeling well and not fully awake, which >made me want to play no games, but by 10:30 I feel >fine. But I couldn't bring myself to play Zelda, >instead I played Vice City from 10:40 AM to 3:15 PM. > >But this isn't some isolated incident, this happens >with all my new games, I mean every time I >get/purchase a new title, or at least a full price >title. I will play such title a bunch for anywhere >from 2 to 4 days (4 days is uncommon, it's usually 3 >days) and then not play it for maybe a week at most >(but more often it's 4 days), and it's not that I lose >interest, but I think I have some sort of fear of >playing the new title, so instead I play something >I've had for a while and really dig deep into them >(the days following Christmas 2002 when I got Metroid >Prime gave me the devotion or whatever to beat >Robotech: Battlecry), for instance. > >This has been going on for a long time now, but I have >never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am >now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is >from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm >positive it has happened before that, but that's as >far back as my memory will allow for this moment in >time and the many moments that follow. I don't know if >this is a serious problem, or just some irrational >fear of the unknown. Maybe I just answered my own >question? > >The point I'm making is, well I'm not really making a >point. I'm just sharing this with the group in an >attempt to see if anybody else has such behaviour and >perhaps knows why. > >Now at least you can probably figure out why I >sometimes seem to have a different opinion about a >game a week or so after I post my first opinion when >I'm all giddy about a new title. > >The room is tilting again. I think that's a sign that >it's time stop typing. > > >-Dave >"Welcome to the fantasy zone. Get ready!" > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com > >[ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 14:20:39 -0500 In a message dated 3/29/2003 2:43:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, dextersy@shaw.ca writes: > Huge ! > > Later on, you'll be able to warp around. But I think Nintendo/EAD did > something that we've all been waiting for. Sailing the seas, I've > encouratered swarms of sharks. Stumbled into uncharted islands. Pirate > outposts, and giant squids. And many of these encourters were tense and > just... well. The whole sea idea is well done. It's large. Very large. > > I suppose it is a Hub in disguise, but at leastr in this > game, it doesn't feel > like you're riding a horse around a small pasture. > > Dexter Yeah, it's pretty massive. And the feeling of exploration is just great. Nothing beats spotting an island on your way to an objective and getting all sorts of cool goodies because of it. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Change in taste of videogames Date: 29 Mar 2003 14:21:53 -0500 In a message dated 3/29/2003 3:12:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, vi@cs.bu.edu writes: > I know my taste in videogames has change is that I can't really enjoy > single player games anymore. GTA, Metal gear solid, DMC2, Omnimusha, RE, > Zelda, Mario, Panzer D., are not as fun compared to multiplayer games. > > I rather play Capcom vs SNK xbox live online than Zelda WW. > or rather > play Warcraft III than XenoSaga. > > Games I'm currently playing these days: > Nintendo Puzzle collection , fun 4 player puzzles > warcraft 3 > Ghost recon xbox live > nba 2k3 xbox live > Capcom vs snk xbox live > > Games that I sorta have to force myself to play currently: > Zelda > Xenosaga > > -Vi You play Ghost Recon, Vi? I play that occasionally on Live. My gamertag is (naturally) Dark Bastion. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 14:03:52 -0600 I guess that really depends.... size in relation to what? If you have an object completely displaced from real world elements there is absolutely no way of telling how large it is without using yourself as a basis for your measurements, correct? So is the new link half the size of the old link? Maybe that will give us a better idea to measure the length of the field... in "links". Or maybe we want to measure by the length of time at which the field can be transversed from the two farthest points in the domains. Lol, all I know is that without going into mathematical detail of anysort it takes literally minutes longer to move across the sea than the Hyrule field. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr. Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:25 AM Cc: NGamers@lists.xmission.com Hey gang How big is the Ocean in WW compared to Hyrule Field? Is it 2x larger, 3x, 4x? Lloyd [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 13:43:06 -0800 > > >This has been going on for a long time now, but I have > >never told anybody about this. I don't know why I am > >now. I clearest memory I have of this behaviour is > >from Christmas 1999 with Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. I'm > >positive it has happened before that, but that's as > >far back as my memory will allow for this moment in > >time and the many moments that follow. I don't know if > >this is a serious problem, or just some irrational > >fear of the unknown. Maybe I just answered my own > >question? > > > >The point I'm making is, well I'm not really making a > >point. I'm just sharing this with the group in an > >attempt to see if anybody else has such behaviour and > >perhaps knows why. > > > >Now at least you can probably figure out why I > >sometimes seem to have a different opinion about a > >game a week or so after I post my first opinion when > >I'm all giddy about a new title. > > > >The room is tilting again. I think that's a sign that > >it's time stop typing. > > How about you stop buying games you have know you won't get into. I've since stopped making frivolous purchases. And fortunately for me, Zelda remains a compelling game. I can't say the same for 90% of the game that gets talked about here. It's all about tastes. And my philosophy is, follow your zen. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 14:14:20 -0800 Don wrote: > I guess that really depends.... size in relation to what? If you have > an object completely displaced from real world elements there is > absolutely no way of telling how large it is without using yourself as a > basis for your measurements, correct? > > So is the new link half the size of the old link? Maybe that will give > us a better idea to measure the length of the field... in "links". Or > maybe we want to measure by the length of time at which the field can be > transversed from the two farthest points in the domains. Lol, all I > know is that without going into mathematical detail of anysort it takes > literally minutes longer to move across the sea than the Hyrule field. Which is the old link? Link is actually about the same size as the artwork of the "classic" link from LOZ. He is obviously inspired from the same design, right down to the shield and some of the poses in the artwork. Obviously, in real terms, the ocean in WindWaker probably won't be larger than a lake. As probably won't take for than ten to fifteen minutes to travel from one end to another on full sail with the wind blowing in the same direction. There's a lot of dead space, just water for miles. But that's part of the fun. I don't play with a guide, nor do I have any partial walkthroughs to use. It's always a thrill to go into an uncharted area and find an island. I think Nintendo/EAD has done a good job of capturing the vastness of Zelda in all its epic grandeur. I don't think any other Zeldas has done it. As a point of comparison, the overworld/darkworld in A Link to the Past are individually smaller than the overworld of LOZ. Granted the scale is a little different, but when I played LTTP, I was more awed from the graphical detail than I was about the size of the world. Oot is obviously very handicapped with Hyrule field, one of the few failings of the game. WindWaker's vast ocean is really the first time I've been able to just gawk at the size of it all. And the sense of adventure is very much enchanced with so much unknown. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 16:26:55 -0600 The old link is either the child or adult in LoZOoT. How can you be sure they are about the same size though? Is anything at all common in ZWW as was in LoZOoT? Without something common to compare everything could be even microscopic and we'd never know. Don wrote: > I guess that really depends.... size in relation to what? If you have > an object completely displaced from real world elements there is > absolutely no way of telling how large it is without using yourself as a > basis for your measurements, correct? > > So is the new link half the size of the old link? Maybe that will give > us a better idea to measure the length of the field... in "links". Or > maybe we want to measure by the length of time at which the field can be > transversed from the two farthest points in the domains. Lol, all I > know is that without going into mathematical detail of anysort it takes > literally minutes longer to move across the sea than the Hyrule field. Which is the old link? Link is actually about the same size as the artwork of the "classic" link from LOZ. Dexter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Change in taste of videogames Date: 29 Mar 2003 19:27:17 -0600 > I know my taste in videogames has change is that I can't really enjoy > single player games anymore. GTA, Metal gear solid, DMC2, Omnimusha, RE, > Zelda, Mario, Panzer D., are not as fun compared to multiplayer games. Yup, mine went through a big through the PSX era. I no longer have any patience for console RPGs, just can't seem to enjoy them anymore even though they used to be my favorite genre. I also have little patience for platformers unless they are spectacular. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 19:28:54 -0600 > How about you stop buying games you have know you won't get into. I've since > stopped making frivolous purchases. > And fortunately for me, Zelda remains a compelling game. I can't say the same > for 90% of the game that gets talked about here. I'm still debating getting the new Zelda. Majora's Mask burned me...it sucked..so now I have a hard time convincing myself to buy WW. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: Re: [NG] Change in taste of videogames Date: 29 Mar 2003 19:28:44 -0800 (PST) --- Thraxen wrote: I also have > little patience for > platformers unless they are spectacular. > > Stryder Jak II. ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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In the new Zelda, The Acid Trip (he's talking to a fish!!!), I mean The Wind Waker, I spent at least two hours exploring the ocean all the while when I talked to the boat he said stuff like I must hurry, time is running out, but nothing bad happened while I lollygagged across the open seas, blowing s*** up with my cannon and talking to fish. I have to pass out now. I'm so tired. Must wake up early to play more Zelda. ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 29 Mar 2003 20:51:24 -0800 Don wrote: > The old link is either the child or adult in LoZOoT. How can you be > sure they are about the same size though? Is anything at all common in > ZWW as was in LoZOoT? Without something common to compare everything > could be even microscopic and we'd never know. I have the poster of Link in his first game Hyrule Fantasy: The Legend of Zelda. His proportions look about the same as the new link in Wind Waker. When I said the old link, I meant the art of the old link from the original game. Besides, the Link from Ocarina of Time is barely 5 years old. It's hardly old considering the series has been around for 15 years. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: [NG] Wind Waker and other Zeldas Date: 29 Mar 2003 23:58:04 -0500 In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes: > The old link is either the child or adult in LoZOoT. How can you be > sure they are about the same size though? Is anything at all common in > ZWW as was in LoZOoT? Without something common to compare > everything > could be even microscopic and we'd never know. > > Don wrote: There are some very cool allusions to previous Zelda games in Wind Waker. Beware spoliers: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 For one, the talking stone Link gets is later revealed to be one of part of the "gossip" stones from OoT. There's a certain temple in WW that has stained-glass windows of all of the sages found in OoT. The flying bird people in WW are revealed to be evolved forms of Zora, while the wooden Korok people are revealed to be descendants of the Kokiri from OoT. Aside from the music, there is one *VERY* memorable melody playing as Princess Zelda's piece of the triforce is reuinted. Overall, just an amazing bunch of allusions to Zelda's past. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 23:59:21 -0500 In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > I'm still debating getting the new Zelda. Majora's Mask burned me...it > sucked..so now I have a hard time convincing myself to buy > WW. > > Stryder It's not much like Majora's Mask at all ... more like OoT. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 30 Mar 2003 00:01:23 -0500 In a message dated 3/29/2003 11:51:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, dextersy@shaw.ca writes: > When I said the old link, I meant the art of the old link from the original > game. Besides, the Link from Ocarina of Time is barely 5 years old. It's > hardly old considering the series has been around for 15 > years. > > Dexter Uh ... what? I thought the young Link from OoT was 12. And when Link ages about 7 years, he's about 19. No way he's 5, he wouldn't even be able to hold a sword straight. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LARGEEYES@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 30 Mar 2003 00:09:14 EST --part1_77.d77f868.2bb7d5fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2003 12:01:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, DarkBastion@aol.com writes: > Uh ... what? I thought the young Link from OoT was 12. And when Link ages > about 7 years, he's about 19. No way he's 5, he wouldn't even be able to > hold a sword straight. > > ~Matt > > "Reality continues to ruin my life." It isn't the same Link. It's a 100 years later. --part1_77.d77f868.2bb7d5fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/30/2003 12:01:39 AM Eastern Stand= ard Time, DarkBastion@aol.com writes:

Uh ... what? I thought the youn= g Link from OoT was 12. And when Link ages about 7 years, he's about 19. No=20= way he's 5, he wouldn't even be able to hold a sword straight.

~Matt

"Reality continues to ruin my life."


It isn't the same Link.  It's a 100 years later. --part1_77.d77f868.2bb7d5fa_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thraxen" Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda and questions Date: 29 Mar 2003 23:43:16 -0600 > > It's not much like Majora's Mask at all ... more like OoT. > > ~Matt Yeah, I'll likely get it. I may go see if I can find it tomorrow. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 30 Mar 2003 05:01:06 -0800 (PST) --- "Dexter S." wrote: > > I have the poster of Link in his first game Hyrule > Fantasy: The Legend of > Zelda. > > Dexter Oh, really? Could you take a color digital photo of that and post it online somewhere? ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 30 Mar 2003 05:44:05 -0800 (PST) --- DarkBastion@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/29/2003 11:51:24 PM Eastern > Standard Time, dextersy@shaw.ca writes: > > > When I said the old link, I meant the art of the > old link from the original > > game. Besides, the Link from Ocarina of Time is > barely 5 years old. It's > > hardly old considering the series has been around > for 15 > > years. > > > > Dexter > > Uh ... what? I thought the young Link from OoT was > 12. And when Link ages about 7 years, he's about 19. > No way he's 5, he wouldn't even be able to hold a > sword straight. > > ~Matt You lost your Canadian to American translation book again, eh Matt? What Dexter means is that the "game" Ocarina of Time is 5 years old, hence the design of Link from OoT is five years old or so, not the "age" of Link in the storyline of Ocarina of Time itself. ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 30 Mar 2003 15:01:47 -0500 In a message dated 3/30/2003 8:44:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, super_trey_bros@yahoo.com writes: > ou lost your Canadian to American translation book > again, eh Matt? What Dexter means is that the "game" > Ocarina of Time is 5 years old, hence the design of > Link from OoT is five years old or so, not the "age" > of Link in the storyline of Ocarina of Time itself. > > > > ===== > -- Dave -- > Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com > uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address D'oh! Makes sense now. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW Date: 30 Mar 2003 21:09:25 -0800 > > Oh, really? Could you take a color digital photo of > that and post it online somewhere? > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/teamreavers/xgbanner/zeldafdad.jpg Not the one I wanted, but this is from the same series. The one I'm referring to has been used on several "History of.." Zelda articles. It's of Link crouching with his shield in front of him and a picture of hyrule in the back. But anyways, the above art should saffice. The proportions look very close to the current Link, albiet in this picture Link was still wearing his brown undergramenr,a Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] Change in taste of videogames Date: 31 Mar 2003 22:15:40 -0500 (EST) I'd rather play Starcraft with codes on then wait for the build up talk about impatient! *lol* :) Lloyd On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 DarkBastion@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/29/2003 3:12:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, vi@cs.bu.edu writes: > > > I know my taste in videogames has change is that I can't really enjoy > > single player games anymore. GTA, Metal gear solid, DMC2, Omnimusha, RE, > > Zelda, Mario, Panzer D., are not as fun compared to multiplayer games. > > > > I rather play Capcom vs SNK xbox live online than Zelda WW. > > or rather > > play Warcraft III than XenoSaga. > > > > Games I'm currently playing these days: > > Nintendo Puzzle collection , fun 4 player puzzles > > warcraft 3 > > Ghost recon xbox live > > nba 2k3 xbox live > > Capcom vs snk xbox live > > > > Games that I sorta have to force myself to play currently: > > Zelda > > Xenosaga > > > > -Vi > > You play Ghost Recon, Vi? I play that occasionally on Live. My gamertag is (naturally) Dark Bastion. > > ~Matt > > "Reality continues to ruin my life." > > - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: [NG] the sea by foot Date: 31 Mar 2003 22:17:56 -0500 (EST) Cool...the last part really helped. It took about 90 seconds to get from one end of Hyrule Field to the Lake by foot. If you were to walk from one "end" of the sea in WW to another how long would it take(you have special floatable shoes)? lloyd On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Don wrote: > I guess that really depends.... size in relation to what? If you have > an object completely displaced from real world elements there is > absolutely no way of telling how large it is without using yourself as a > basis for your measurements, correct? > > So is the new link half the size of the old link? Maybe that will give > us a better idea to measure the length of the field... in "links". Or > maybe we want to measure by the length of time at which the field can be > transversed from the two farthest points in the domains. Lol, all I > know is that without going into mathematical detail of anysort it takes > literally minutes longer to move across the sea than the Hyrule field. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Millard > Mccoy Jr. > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:25 AM > To: DarkBastion@aol.com > Cc: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW > > > Hey gang > > > > How big is the Ocean in WW compared to Hyrule Field? Is it 2x larger, > 3x, > 4x? > > > > Lloyd > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] the sea by foot Date: 31 Mar 2003 22:22:50 -0600 Well of course a ship is going to travel at a different rate probably than a horse on the sea but then again roughly (very roughly) all we really need to know is that the sea is "much" larger than the field :) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr. Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:18 PM Cool...the last part really helped. It took about 90 seconds to get from one end of Hyrule Field to the Lake by foot. If you were to walk from one "end" of the sea in WW to another how long would it take(you have special floatable shoes)? lloyd On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Don wrote: > I guess that really depends.... size in relation to what? If you have > an object completely displaced from real world elements there is > absolutely no way of telling how large it is without using yourself as a > basis for your measurements, correct? > > So is the new link half the size of the old link? Maybe that will give > us a better idea to measure the length of the field... in "links". Or > maybe we want to measure by the length of time at which the field can be > transversed from the two farthest points in the domains. Lol, all I > know is that without going into mathematical detail of anysort it takes > literally minutes longer to move across the sea than the Hyrule field. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Millard > Mccoy Jr. > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:25 AM > To: DarkBastion@aol.com > Cc: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [NG] Size of the Ocean in WW > > > Hey gang > > > > How big is the Ocean in WW compared to Hyrule Field? Is it 2x larger, > 3x, > 4x? > > > > Lloyd > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: Re: [NG] the sea by foot Date: 31 Mar 2003 20:53:50 -0800 (PST) --- "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." wrote: > Cool...the last part really helped. It took about > 90 seconds to get from > one end of Hyrule Field to the Lake by foot. If you > were to walk from one > "end" of the sea in WW to another how long would it > take(you have special > floatable shoes)? > > > lloyd Well, with the wind on your back, I'd say the test would be tested buy pulling down the sail and drifting from one side to the other, that is, if you had a route without being interrupted, or had lots of magic for the Armour. ===== -- Dave -- Super_trey_bros@yahoo.com uhh, sorry, I must have the wrong address __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] the sea by foot Date: 31 Mar 2003 21:30:26 -0800 Don wrote: > Well of course a ship is going to travel at a different rate probably > than a horse on the sea but then again roughly (very roughly) all we > really need to know is that the sea is "much" larger than the field :) Yeah. To get an idea of how fast you travel with full sails and the wind in your back, try raising sail as you're right next to an island and watch how fast it zips by. The sense of speed gets lost when you're out in the open ocean with nothing but water. I know there has been some rumblings about it, and I do miss the large landmasses of the old Zelda. Nintendo could have included a dark world type thing where you explore Hyrule... I mean, to those who haven't gotten there yet, I won't spoil it. But yeah, a locale from the old Zelda game is back and it's pulled off so well. The remixed soundtrack... the visuals. I wish I could see more of that. Oh well, so much for my fantasy of reliving LTTP in "3D". Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]