From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1553 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1553 Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] hmm, interesting Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:30:12 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article > AOL6.0 will be bundled with Windows XP. So what? AOL's contract with > RealNetworks runs out in July. Microsoft's Media Player 8 will be > integrated into AOL6.0, replacing RealPlayer. That's gotta be a real kick > for RealNetworks. > > But we're all getting a bit off-topic. > > Geoff Taylor And I'm sure RealPlayer will find someone else to partner with, like Sony. Fact of the matter is, not all Microsoft conquests are victories. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:58:37 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article > I'm still unconvinced convergence is the wave of the future. All we see happening is the convergence of the internet and various appliances, not the appliance themselves. Not to mention things like Tivo, which is really just a smart VCR look to the the type of appliance that will be dominating the field in the future. The problem with a convergence box is that is forced to do many things and inevitably, someone's going to come up with something that does one of those things better and at a very competitive cost and history tells us consumers would rather have multiple good boxes than 1 mediocre box. Principle of maximization applies. consumer behavior is difficult to predict and at all a science, we can only go with what they've done in the past and that is really to soundly reject convergence appliances. I have my reservations about Sony's foray into computer field by making the PS2 an internet appliance for the living room. The modem and the hard drive is sold separately. As for the Xbox, it's a stripped down PC for the living room. The way I see it, its not so much a convergence appliance of the future but another Attempt by Microsoft to grab a peice of the action., Microsoft has seen its attempt to rout Console gaming with Windows 95 stagnate. Xbox is their latest contraption. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:44:11 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C0E54A.B056E800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers ATI is a Canadian company and they are my choice for graphic cards.=20 Best in the world.=20 Dex >>> Pfff...Nvidia here, man...specifically Nvidia based cards from = Hercules...best in the world. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C0E54A.B056E800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:26 = PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + = Canadian=20 developers

ATI is a Canadian company and they are my choice for = graphic=20 cards.=20

Best in the world.=20

Dex >>>

 

Pfff...Nvidia here, man...specifically = Nvidia based=20 cards from Hercules...best in the world.

 

Stryder

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Pfff...Nvidia here, man...specifically Nvidia based cards from Hercules...best in the world.
 
  I'm using an ATI all-in-wonder 128 that  gives me so much more value for the same money.  I suppose if i was purely a 3-D card junky there would be much more to say on this issue.

It's all a matter of priorities I suppose.   I need to be able to get video feeds into my computer. without owning a mac or buying costly converters.

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------70C9551214BA521C116C5B88-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:02:48 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C0E54D.4A22A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Pfff...Nvidia here, man...specifically Nvidia based cards from = Hercules...best in the world.=20 =20 I'm using an ATI all-in-wonder 128 that gives me so much more value = for the same money. I suppose if i was purely a 3-D card junky there = would be much more to say on this issue.=20 It's all a matter of priorities I suppose. I need to be able to get = video feeds into my computer. without owning a mac or buying costly = converters.>>> True...the top of the line Nvidia cards are definitely not value = cards...although the GF2 MX has phenomenal gaming performance at a = sub-$100 USD price, but it's not as versatile as ATI cards. I don't do = any sort of video editing and such, so I usually buy for raw gaming = performance and not versatility. It does depend somewhat on the brand = with Nvidia though. Few, if any, of the Hercules cards have any sort of = video inputs...but they are always near or at the top of gaming = performance. But you can get Nvidia based cards from people like ASUS = that do have inputs... Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C0E54D.4A22A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:13 = PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + = Canadian=20 developers

Pfff...Nvidia here, = man...specifically Nvidia=20 based cards from Hercules...best in the world.=20
 
  I'm using an ATI = all-in-wonder 128=20 that  gives me so much more value for the same money.  I = suppose if=20 i was purely a 3-D card junky there would be much more to say on this = issue.=20

It's all a matter of priorities I suppose.   I need to be = able to=20 get video feeds into my computer. without owning a mac or buying = costly=20 converters.>>>

 

True...the top of the line Nvidia cards = are=20 definitely not value cards...although the GF2 MX has phenomenal gaming = performance at a sub-$100 USD price, but it's not as versatile as ATI=20 cards.  I don't do any sort of video editing and such, so I = usually buy=20 for raw gaming performance and not versatility.  It does depend = somewhat=20 on the brand with Nvidia though.  Few, if any, of the Hercules = cards have=20 any sort of video inputs...but they are always near or at the top of = gaming=20 performance.  But you can get Nvidia based cards from people like = ASUS=20 that do have inputs...

 

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C0E54D.4A22A1C0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:20:02 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0E560.761B5DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Why the heck are the japanese and americans so different in their game preferences????????? It must be the way they are raised. Patience and hard work (ie RPG) pay off.... americans need to see quick results = and therefore tend to be partial to racing games, fighting, etc. input? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- That's pretty good. Now explain to all of us about those Girlfriend = Simulators in Japan.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "I don't speak the English!" Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0E560.761B5DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:49 = PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars=20 Article

Why the heck are the japanese and americans so = different in=20 their game
preferences????????? It must be the way they are = raised. =20 Patience and
hard work (ie RPG) pay off....  americans need to = see=20 quick results and
therefore tend to be partial to racing games, = fighting,=20 etc.

input?

 
That's pretty good. Now explain to all = of us about=20 those Girlfriend Simulators in Japan.
 
~~ Dave ~~
   
"I = don't speak=20 the English!"
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0E560.761B5DE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:22:33 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0E560.D023C480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devil929@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article In a message dated 5/25/01 4:30:00 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 d.fentie@home.com writes:=20 True but you yanks most probably enjoy that stuff more. I doubt it. Canadian culture closely mirrors American's; there are a = few=20 notable differences, but at first glance, one would be hardpressed to = note=20 any real differences.=20 Your statement is just an example of one: while most Americans look at = Canada=20 with indifference, some Canadians look at America with hostility.=20 Odd.=20 Aldo Merino=20 ------------------=20 Tendo Box=20 http://www.tendobox.com=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I look at Canada with binoculars. Living on Lake Erie I have that = advantage. Actually on a clear day I can see mainland Canada. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "I don't speak the English!" Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0E560.D023C480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Devil929@aol.com=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:34 = PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars=20 Article

In a = message dated=20 5/25/01 4:30:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
d.fentie@home.com writes: =


True but you yanks most probably enjoy that stuff=20 more.

I doubt it. Canadian culture closely mirrors=20 American's; there are a few
notable differences, but at first = glance, one=20 would be hardpressed to note
any real differences.

Your = statement=20 is just an example of one: while most Americans look at Canada =
with=20 indifference, some Canadians look at America with hostility. =

Odd.=20

Aldo Merino
------------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com=20
 
I look at Canada with binoculars. = Living on Lake=20 Erie I have that advantage. Actually on a clear day I can see mainland=20 Canada.
 
~~ Dave ~~
   
"I = don't speak=20 the English!"
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0E560.D023C480-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:27:42 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C0E561.88390300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Yeah. I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got booted off the list). We have hostility because it makes us mad that USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of things. Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central = USA a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in igloos (except those in Toronto). SOME have no clue. It also made me mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in Toronto... "yeah his name is John White".... the ignorance. O well I guess that's life. Keeping this on topic, are there any Canadian developers? I can't remember. Isn't silicon knights a Canadian company???? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Not sure. I do know that the creators of one of the best games is the = world is from Canada. Need For Speed III: Hot Pursuit by EA Canada. = There is also BioWare. Not to mention that the great Todd McFarlane is from Canada. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "I don't speak the English!" Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C0E561.88390300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:42 = PM
Subject: [NG] Canada + Canadian = developers

Yeah.  I think we had a big deal about this before = (some=20 actually got
booted off the list).  We have hostility because = it makes=20 us mad that
USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the = scheme=20 of
things.  Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their = states=20 and
have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to = central=20 USA
a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we = lived=20 in
igloos (except those in Toronto).  SOME have no clue.  = It also=20 made me
mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there = in
Toronto... "yeah his name is John White"....  the=20 ignorance.

O well I guess that's life.  Keeping this on = topic, are=20 there any
Canadian developers?  I can't remember.  Isn't = silicon=20 knights a
Canadian company????

 
Not sure. I do know that the creators = of one of the=20 best games is the world is from Canada. Need For Speed III: Hot Pursuit = by EA=20 Canada. There is also BioWare.
 
Not to mention that the great Todd = McFarlane is=20 from Canada.
 
~~ Dave ~~
   
"I = don't speak=20 the English!"
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C0E561.88390300-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:29:03 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, interesting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C0E561.B89C18C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, interesting =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, interesting Yeah. www.gamecube.com was registered before Nintendo announced = there would be a Nintendo GameCube last august.=20 Their legal department has been contacted, or at least that's my = impression. Expect something to happen soon. >>>>>=20 Hehehe...that's pretty funny. Although, something really does need = to be done...whether it be through the courts or by paying whoever owns = the site. Can't have young kids stumbling into that site...and I'm sure = Nintendo won't want to risk angering any parents over the issue.=20 =20 Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- Youse gots somethin' agains' hot hardcore lesbian action? ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "I don't speak the English!" Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C0E561.B89C18C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:53 = PM
Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, = interesting

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter Sy=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 = 3:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] hmm,=20 interesting

Yeah.  www.gamecube.com was registered = before=20 Nintendo announced there would be a Nintendo GameCube last august.=20

Their legal department has been contacted, or at least that's my=20 impression.  Expect something to happen soon. = >>>>>=20

Hehehe...that's pretty funny.  = Although,=20 something really does need to be done...whether it be through the = courts or=20 by paying whoever owns the site.  Can't have young kids = stumbling into=20 that site...and I'm sure Nintendo won't want to risk angering any = parents=20 over the issue.=20

 =20

Stryder

 
Youse gots somethin' agains' hot = hardcore lesbian=20 action?
 
~~ Dave ~~
   
"I = don't speak=20 the English!"
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C0E561.B89C18C0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:33:01 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C0E562.46134E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley =20 Excuse me Aldo, but there sorta is a silicon valley up here in = Canada. Ottawa=20 has been starting to boom like crazy in the past year, and the high = tech is=20 crazy. So Ottawa is the "Silicon Valley of the North"=20 -Jed=20 dammit, lots of long months of summer until snow comes...=20 =20 Well, each country has their silicon valley wannabe. But unless = something happens to wipe silicon valley out, no one will be like the = real silicon valley.=20 Sorry to say.=20 --=20 Dexter S.=20 Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine=20 Http://www.tendobox.com=20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- And I don't think Ottawa is really in a valley to begin with. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "I don't speak the English!" Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C0E562.46134E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:27 = PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Canada does = have it's=20 own silicon valley

 =20
Excuse me Aldo, but there sorta is a silicon valley up = here in=20 Canada. Ottawa
has been starting to boom like crazy = in the past=20 year, and the high tech is
crazy. So Ottawa is the "Silicon = Valley of the=20 North"=20

-Jed
dammit, lots of long months of = summer until snow=20 comes...
 

Well, each = country=20 has their silicon valley wannabe.  But unless something happens = to wipe=20 silicon valley out, no one will be like the real silicon valley.=20

Sorry to say.=20

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com =
 =20

 
And I don't think Ottawa is really in a = valley to=20 begin with.
 
~~ Dave ~~
   
"I = don't speak=20 the English!"
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Trey=20 Table
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