From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1566 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Wednesday, June 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1566 Re: [NG] Sony Re: [NG] Sony Re: [NG] Sony Re: [NG] Sony Re: [NG] Sony Re: [NG] Sony Re: [NG] GCN specs are changed [NG] The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:12:42 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Sony This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0EEA3.83D30AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LARGEEYES@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Sony In a message dated 6/5/01 4:43:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = vi@cs.bu.edu=20 writes:=20 I agreed with you on that. I owned a ps2 for 3 months with out a = game.=20 I got bought in by all the hype, used it as a dvd player, and i knew = it=20 has it will last around 4 years.=20 yes ps2 has a terrible first year but like most ppl are saying, it's = getting better. If only gamecube came out 1 year ahead of ps2, then = nobody would pay attention to ps2 because of it's crappy first = generation=20 games.=20 -Vi Madden 2001, Red Faction is now out. There are lots of great games on = PS2. =20 SSX???=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I agree about Red Faction, but he's talking about Launch games. Sure, = Ridge Racer V is nice, but I got tons of Dreamcast games that blow it = away. Madden 2001 would have been on Gamecube too. And SSX, that game is = just too bland. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0EEA3.83D30AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 LARGEEYES@aol.com

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 = 5:20=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Sony

In a = message dated=20 6/5/01 4:43:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vi@cs.bu.edu
writes:

I agreed with you on that. I owned a ps2 for 3 = months with=20 out a game.
I got bought in by all the hype, used it as a dvd = player,=20 and i knew it
has it will last around 4 years.

yes ps2 = has a=20 terrible first year but like most ppl are saying, it's
getting = better.=20 If only gamecube came out 1 year ahead of ps2, then
nobody = would=20 pay attention to ps2 because of it's crappy first generation =
games.=20

-Vi

Madden 2001, Red Faction is now out. = There are lots of great games on PS2.
SSX???=20

I agree about Red Faction, but he's = talking about=20 Launch games. Sure, Ridge Racer V is nice, but I got tons of Dreamcast = games=20 that blow it away. Madden 2001 would have been on Gamecube too. And SSX, = that=20 game is just too bland.

~~ Dave ~~
=
Segma=20 dogmattagram fishmarket stew
Police in the corner gunnin' for=20 you
Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat
Laugh when the shoot = you
Say,=20 "Please don't do that!" -- Phish
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: = Trey=20 Table

- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0EEA3.83D30AE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:22:27 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Sony This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0EEA4.E0847C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: geoff wuehrmann=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: [NG] Sony I would like to ask why people like sony for videogames. They are so=20 uncreative. First of all, they couldn't even think of a new name.=20 Playstation 2, very uncreative. Second of all, The controller is the = xact=20 same. They didn't even improve upon it. Third of all, the games suck. = I have=20 not seen one game on either system to surpass Mario 64. I find games = like GT=20 boring, I can't stand resident evil like games and Crash sucks big = time.=20 Sony is terrible. ________________________________________________________________ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Why do I like Sony for videogames? As far as the PlayStation (PSX) goes = it's because where all the good third parties had gone. I like it for = Capcom with their Mega Man, Street Fighter, and Resident Evil, I like it = for Namco and their Tekken 3, Soul Blade, and Ridge Racer, I like it for = Electronic Arts for their Need For Speed, I like it for Crystal Dynamics = for Soul Reaver, I like it for Konami for their Metal Gear Solid, = Castlevania, and Silent Hill, I like it for Activision for their Tony = Hawk, Mat Hoffman, and Spiderman, I like it for Singletrac for their Jet = Moto and Twisted Metal 2, and I like it for Sony for Gran Turismo and = Jumping Flash. I also like it for games you probably never heard of like = Military Madness or R-Type Delta. Oh, Can't forget Square and their = Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Einhander, and Xenogears, or Game Arts = and Grandia and Lunar.=20 The controller may be uncreative, but it's very functional given the = right developer. The name PlayStation 2 is about as uncreative as Super NES, but I don't = see you bringing that up. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0EEA4.E0847C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 geoff=20 wuehrmann

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 = 4:30=20 PM

Subject: [NG] Sony

I would like to ask why people like sony for videogames. They are = so=20
uncreative. First of all, they couldn't even think of a new name.=20
Playstation 2, very uncreative. Second of all, The controller is = the xact=20
same. They didn't even improve upon it. Third of all, the games = suck. I=20 have
not seen one game on either system to surpass Mario 64. I = find games=20 like GT
boring, I can't stand resident evil like games and Crash = sucks big=20 time.
Sony is=20 = terrible.
____________________________________________________________= ____

Why do I like Sony for videogames? As = far as the=20 PlayStation (PSX) goes it's because where all the good third parties had = gone. I=20 like it for Capcom with their Mega Man, Street Fighter, and Resident = Evil, I=20 like it for Namco and their Tekken 3, Soul Blade, and Ridge Racer, I = like it for=20 Electronic Arts for their Need For Speed, I like it for Crystal Dynamics = for=20 Soul Reaver, I like it for Konami for their Metal Gear Solid, = Castlevania, and=20 Silent Hill, I like it for Activision for their Tony Hawk, Mat Hoffman, = and=20 Spiderman, I like it for Singletrac for their Jet Moto and Twisted Metal = 2, and=20 I like it for Sony for Gran Turismo and Jumping Flash. I also like it = for games=20 you probably never heard of like Military Madness or R-Type Delta. Oh, = Can't=20 forget Square and their Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Einhander, and = Xenogears,=20 or Game Arts and Grandia and Lunar.

The controller may be uncreative, but = it's very=20 functional given the right developer.

The name PlayStation 2 is about as = uncreative as=20 Super NES, but I don't see you bringing that up.

- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0EEA4.E0847C00-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:27:45 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Sony This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0EEA5.9DF88BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Sony > I would like to ask why people like sony for videogames. They are so > uncreative. First of all, they couldn't even think of a new name. > Playstation 2, very uncreative. What, kind of like Gameboy (a copy of the Sony scheme for naming = portable electronics)...and now the Gameboy Advance. Or how about the NES then = the Super NES...how is that creative?? You know what all those have in = common? They aren't going after creativity, they are using brand name = recognition. It's smart marketing and has ZERO to do with being creative. > Second of all, The controller is the xact > same. They didn't even improve upon it. Third of all, the games = suck. I have > not seen one game on either system to surpass Mario 64. I find games = like GT > boring, I can't stand resident evil like games and Crash sucks big = time. > Sony is terrible. That's all your opinion now isn't it?...I have owned many, many, more = PSX games than N64 games. Mario 64 is one damn game...I'm not going to = play it over and over. For a platformer, it's quality is undeniable, but there = are lots of games that I put more hours into than M64....some of them, = hundreds more hours. The N64 had jacksh*t in the RPG department, that alone = was reason enough for me to own the PSX. In fact, it was quite thin in = just about every genre. Sure, Nintendo makes some damn good games, but = they are few and far between...I need something to play between. Who the hell = cares about the controller? Why does it HAVE to be different? Is this some unwritten rule for consoles? If you don't like it, who the hell = cares? Just buy one of the many 3rd party controllers...there's an ton choose = from out there. Also, don't forget the PSX is largely responsible for bringing the = industry where it is today. Gaming is far more mainstream and accepted than it = was before it came along. For the most parts, consoles have been able to = shake the "childish" image they had before...something the N64 wouldn't have changed very much. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- If you ask me I think Spyro The Dragon surpassed Super Mario 64. It had = everything SM64 had (not counting Z-Buffering, anti-aliasing, and = mip-mapping) and better camera control. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0EEA5.9DF88BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 = 8:34=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Sony

> I would like to ask why people like sony for=20 videogames. They are so
> uncreative. First of all, they = couldn't even=20 think of a new name.
> Playstation 2, very = uncreative.

What, kind=20 of like Gameboy (a copy of the Sony scheme for naming=20 portable
electronics)...and now the Gameboy Advance. Or how = about the=20 NES then the
Super NES...how is that creative?? You know what = all=20 those have in common?
They aren't going after creativity, they are = using=20 brand name recognition.
It's smart marketing and has ZERO to do = with being=20 creative.

> Second of all, The controller is the = xact
> same.=20 They didn't even improve upon it. Third of all, the games suck.=20 I
have
> not seen one game on either system to surpass Mario = 64. I=20 find games like
GT
> boring, I can't stand resident evil like = games=20 and Crash sucks big time.
> Sony is terrible.

That's all = your=20 opinion now isn't it?...I have owned many, many, more PSX
games = than N64=20 games. Mario 64 is one damn game...I'm not going to play it
over = and over.=20 For a platformer, it's quality is undeniable, but there are
lots of = games=20 that I put more hours into than M64....some of them, hundreds
more=20 hours. The N64 had jacksh*t in the RPG department, that alone=20 was
reason enough for me to own the PSX. In fact, it was = quite thin=20 in just
about every genre. Sure, Nintendo makes some damn = good games,=20 but they are
few and far between...I need something to play = between. =20 Who the hell cares
about the controller? Why does it HAVE to = be=20 different? Is this some
unwritten rule for consoles? If = you=20 don't like it, who the hell cares?
Just buy one of the many 3rd = party=20 controllers...there's an ton choose from
out there.

Also, = don't=20 forget the PSX is largely responsible for bringing the = industry
where it is=20 today. Gaming is far more mainstream and accepted than it = was
before=20 it came along. For the most parts, consoles have been able to=20 shake
the "childish" image they had before...something the N64 = wouldn't=20 have
changed very much.

Stryder

If you ask me I think Spyro The Dragon = surpassed=20 Super Mario 64. It had everything SM64 had (not counting Z-Buffering,=20 anti-aliasing, and mip-mapping) and better camera control.

- ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0EEA5.9DF88BA0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:02:36 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Sony - --part1_a1.167281d0.2850027c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/6/01 4:26:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, treytable@sega.net writes: > If you ask me I think Spyro The Dragon surpassed Super Mario 64. It had > everything SM64 had (not counting Z-Buffering, anti-aliasing, and > mip-mapping) and better camera control. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > > Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew > Police in the corner gunnin' for you > Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat > Laugh when the shoot you > Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish > Treytable@sega.net > AIM: Trey Table > (:::Jaw drops to the floor:::) Are you serious? You think that uninspired, flaming shit of a game is a match for Super Mario 64??? ~Matt "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Hinduism's Behagavad Gita, on July 16, 1945, after the first successful detonation of an atomic bomb in Trinity, New Mexico. - --part1_a1.167281d0.2850027c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/6/01 4:26:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:

If you ask me I think Spyro The Dragon surpassed Super Mario 64. It had
everything SM64 had (not counting Z-Buffering, anti-aliasing, and
mip-mapping) and better camera control.

~~ Dave ~~

Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew
Police in the corner gunnin' for you
Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat
Laugh when the shoot you
Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: Trey Table

(:::Jaw drops to the floor:::) Are you serious? You think that uninspired,
flaming shit of a game is a match for Super Mario 64???

~Matt

"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
      - Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Hinduism's Behagavad Gita, on July 16,
1945,
      after the first successful detonation of an atomic bomb in Trinity,
New Mexico. - --part1_a1.167281d0.2850027c_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:11:15 -0700 From: "Matt MA" Subject: Re: [NG] Sony SM64 had innovation, inspiration, creativity, heart, and a feeling of awe, = even now, years later. In SM64, you feel like you are exploring new worlds. In Spyro, you feel = like you're just wandering around in a game. Playing SM64 makes you proud to own a Nintendo 64. Playing Spyro doesn't = make you feel anything. matt ma In a message dated 6/6/01 4:26:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 treytable@sega.net writes: > If you ask me I think Spyro The Dragon surpassed Super Mario 64. It = had=20 > everything SM64 had (not counting Z-Buffering, anti-aliasing, and=20 > mip-mapping) and better camera control. > =20 > ~~ Dave ~~ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:06:42 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] Sony Agreed, spyro the @#^%ing gyro sucked arse. DarkBastion@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/6/01 4:26:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > treytable@sega.net writes: > > > If you ask me I think Spyro The Dragon surpassed Super Mario 64. It > > had > > everything SM64 had (not counting Z-Buffering, anti-aliasing, and > > mip-mapping) and better camera control. > > > > ~~ Dave ~~ > > > > Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew > > Police in the corner gunnin' for you > > Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat > > Laugh when the shoot you > > Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish > > Treytable@sega.net > > AIM: Trey Table > > > > (:::Jaw drops to the floor:::) Are you serious? You think that > uninspired, > flaming sh&* of a game is a match for Super Mario 64??? > > ~Matt > > "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." > - Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Hinduism's Behagavad Gita, on July > 16, > 1945, > after the first successful detonation of an atomic bomb in > Trinity, > New Mexico. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:32:25 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs are changed - --part1_b6.1687f4e4.28501789_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/5/01 10:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes: > Not to question your credibility Jed but where/what site did you get > this off? > Although I forget, I think it was gamecube XL. > I also liked your explaination of what a processor is ;): > > > I did too:-) > - -Jed - --part1_b6.1687f4e4.28501789_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/5/01 10:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
d.fentie@home.com writes:

Not to question your credibility Jed but where/what site did you get
this off?

Although I forget, I think it was gamecube XL.

I also liked your explaination of what a processor is ;):

I did too:-)

-Jed
- --part1_b6.1687f4e4.28501789_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:10:40 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: [NG] The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0EEC4.C23C3420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Electronics Boutique has an offer where you can trade in any three = (different) Game Boy or Game Boy Color games for a new Game Boy Color = title. After making the decision that I really didn't need Alleyway, = Tetris Blast, and Super Mario Land 2 I headed to EB and came home with = The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons.=20 Well, I didn't come right home. I brought my kiwi Game Boy Color with me = to test the game just to see if it worked. Forty-five minutes later I = decided I better leave the mall parking lot. Ladies and gentlemen, = Oracle of Seasons is indeed a true Zelda game. Not since Link's = Awakening has a Game Boy title caught me in its grasp and didn't let go. Forget Majora's Crap, Jed. Get a Game Boy Color (or wait a few days for = the Game Boy Advance) and get one of the Zelda: Oracle games, because if = you love true Zelda games, this is right up your alley.=20 The graphics aren't that impressive, it looks a lot like Link's = Awakening (I never had the DX version) in color and the sound is = standard 8-Bit fare, but that doesn't matter much because the gameplay = just rules. I can't think of much more to say, but it looks like Crazy = Taxi 2, Project Justice, and the newly purchased (yesterday) Mat = Hoffman's Pro BMX (if you loved Tony Hawk's Pro Skater or THPS2 go buy = MHPB) will be collecting dust while I sit uncomfortably under a light = source and play this wonderful Game Boy Color title. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0EEC4.C23C3420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Electronics Boutique has an offer where = you can=20 trade in any three (different) Game Boy or Game Boy Color games for a = new Game=20 Boy Color title. After making the decision that I really didn't need = Alleyway,=20 Tetris Blast, and Super Mario Land 2 I headed to EB and came home with = The=20 Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons.

Well, I didn't come right home. I = brought my kiwi=20 Game Boy Color with me to test the game just to see if it worked. = Forty-five=20 minutes later I decided I better leave the mall parking lot. Ladies and=20 gentlemen, Oracle of Seasons is indeed a true Zelda game. Not since = Link's=20 Awakening has a Game Boy title caught me in its grasp and didn't let=20 go.

Forget Majora's Crap, Jed. Get a Game = Boy Color (or=20 wait a few days for the Game Boy Advance) and get one of the Zelda: = Oracle=20 games, because if you love true Zelda games, this is right up your = alley.=20

The graphics aren't that impressive, it = looks a lot=20 like Link's Awakening (I never had the DX version) in color and the = sound is=20 standard 8-Bit fare, but that doesn't matter much because the gameplay = just=20 rules. I can't think of much more to say, but it looks like Crazy Taxi = 2,=20 Project Justice, and the newly purchased (yesterday) Mat Hoffman's Pro = BMX (if=20 you loved Tony Hawk's Pro Skater or THPS2 go buy MHPB) will be = collecting dust=20 while I sit uncomfortably under a light source and play this wonderful = Game Boy=20 Color title.

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