From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1581 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, June 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1581 Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Mainstream for BroadBand Still Years Away Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Mainstream for BroadBand Still Years Away Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:06:34 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0F5D6.AD8BCA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nutz4n64@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance In a message dated 06/15/2001 11:08:10 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu writes:=20 Enter the Sony and MS handheld.........Summer 2003 Hmm, I smell Game Gear 2 and 3. ;) Oh, and plenty of Pok=E9mon rip = offs.=20 -Eric-=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Who needs a Pokemon rip-off? Just whoever gets Bandai to develop for the = (I'm betting on Sony) gets Monster Rancher. =3D) ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0F5D6.AD8BCA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Nutz4n64@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 = 12:12=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy = Advance

In a = message dated=20 06/15/2001 11:08:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu writes:=20

Enter the Sony and MS handheld.........Summer=20 2003

Hmm, I smell Game Gear 2 and 3. ;) Oh, = and=20 plenty of Pok=E9mon rip offs.
-Eric-=20

Who needs a Pokemon rip-off? Just = whoever gets=20 Bandai to develop for the (I'm betting on Sony) gets Monster Rancher.=20 =3D)

~~ Dave ~~
=
Segma=20 dogmattagram fishmarket stew
Police in the corner gunnin' for=20 you
Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat
Laugh when the shoot = you
Say,=20 "Please don't do that!" -- Phish
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: = Trey=20 Table

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----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Nutz4n64@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 = 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Mainstream = for=20 BroadBand Still Years Away

In a = message dated=20 06/15/2001 1:02:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
Devil929@aol.com writes: =

My family uses it as their Internet connection at home. = I've=20 been trying to
wean them away from the lousy service for years, = but it's=20 hard to convince
people that don't ues the Internet much for = little more=20 than e-mail and
some
webveiwing as they're not going to see = the=20 benefits to changing or the
problems with AOl. =

::shrugs::=20

Aldo Merino

Heh, we have the same = problems,=20 Aldo. My dad sees no point in switching, I
do. =
-Eric-=20

I had the same problem too. So I just = pay for my=20 own now. It's so much nicer.

- ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0F5D6.ECD40BE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:12:55 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C0F5D7.90208D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance =20 I find the PS2 having only two controller ports (and paying $100 = more for DVD=20 playback and other useless feature I won't use) extremely lame. I = find the=20 N64 using a cartridge format extremely lame. And I find the Xbox on = a whole=20 [so far] extremely lame. >>>> But this is something that people have been asking for/about since = the days of the original GB...First the GB, no backlight, but that's OK = since it a new system anyway. Then the GB pocket comes along and no = backlight (except for an indiglo version only available in Japan)...GBC = comes along and no backlight, and now the GBA comes along and STILL no = backlight...WTF? Get a damn clue already! <<>> I've tried those various light attachments and I have yet to find = one that you couldn't see the reflection of the light itself or some = horrible glare on the screen. Also, I don't want a bunch of gizmos = attached to my GBA, that's not why I bought it. About the AC adapter...how does it work? I don't see any plugs for = an AC adapter on the GBA...so does it just plug into the battery slot = like the battery packs do? <<>>> Still...adding a backlight is hardly going to be traumatic on the = price. What, maybe add $5 to the price? Hell, that just means places = like Wal-Mart will just sell it for $95 USD instead of $90. I think = most people would realize it's worth it and would be quite pleased to = see such a feature considering it's EXTREMELY overdue. The whole idea of = this thing is portability and it's extremely annoying to have to always = be near a bright light or having to hold the thing at odd angles just to = see the screen well enough to play a game. Sure, it's portable...just = not very playable while actually toting it somewhere >:-( Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- I have a Casio portable (handheld) TV. It's backlit. The battery life on = it is a long time between changes. I don't use it much now, but when I = did I wasn't going through batteries super fast like on the Game Gear. = Perhaps Nintendo should switch from Sharp and get backlit screens from = Casio.=20 The neat thing (when I got it years ago) is that there was an antenna = adapter for a cable input, so I hooked up my SNES to it to play Street = Fighter 2 Turbo on the small screen. It looked great. =3D) ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table sx - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C0F5D7.90208D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 = 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy = Advance

I find the PS2 having only two controller ports = (and=20 paying $100 more for DVD
playback and other useless feature I = won't use)=20 extremely lame. I find the
N64 using a cartridge format = extremely lame.=20 And I find the Xbox on a whole
[so far] extremely lame.=20 >>>>

But this is something that people have been = asking=20 for/about since the days of the original GB...First the GB, no = backlight,=20 but that's OK since it a new system anyway. Then the GB pocket = comes=20 along and no backlight (except for an indiglo version only available = in=20 Japan)...GBC comes along and no backlight, and now the GBA comes = along and=20 STILL no backlight...WTF? Get a damn clue = already!

<<<In gaming there are a lot of shortcomings -- = you just=20 deal with them. I've
already bought a Cobra Light Advance and = Cobra AC=20 Adapter for $17 total. The
light works well and the AC Adapter = keeps me=20 from every worrying about
batteries since I never play the Game = Boy on=20 the road (figures)>>>

I've tried those various light attachments and I have yet to = find one=20 that you couldn't see the reflection of the light itself or some = horrible=20 glare on the screen. Also, I don't want a bunch of gizmos = attached to=20 my GBA, that's not why I bought it.

About the AC adapter...how does it work? I don't = see=20 any plugs for an AC adapter on the GBA...so does it just = plug into=20 the battery slot like the battery packs do?

<<<Nintendo not including a backlit screen is = hardly my=20 biggest concern in
gaming, let along concerning the console ($40 = games=20 anyone?). Besides, switch
or no switch, the feature is still = there and=20 it's still going to drive
manufacturing costs up. Adding a = switch is=20 just going to make a penny more
expensive on top of being = backlit;-)=20 >>>>

Still...adding a backlight is hardly going to be traumatic on = the=20 price. What, maybe add $5 to the price? Hell, that just = means=20 places like Wal-Mart will just sell it for $95 USD instead of = $90. I=20 think most people would realize it's worth it and would be quite = pleased to=20 see such a feature considering it's EXTREMELY overdue. The whole = idea of=20 this thing is portability and it's extremely annoying to have to = always be=20 near a bright light or having to hold the thing at odd angles just = to see=20 the screen well enough to play a game. Sure, it's = portable...just not=20 very playable while actually toting it somewhere >:-(

Stryder

I have a Casio portable (handheld) TV. = It's=20 backlit. The battery life on it is a long time between changes. I don't = use it=20 much now, but when I did I wasn't going through batteries super fast = like on the=20 Game Gear. Perhaps Nintendo should switch from Sharp and get backlit = screens=20 from Casio.

The neat thing (when I got it years = ago) is that=20 there was an antenna adapter for a cable input, so I hooked up my SNES = to it to=20 play Street Fighter 2 Turbo on the small screen. It looked great.=20 =3D)

- ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C0F5D7.90208D00-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:27:21 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C0F5D9.94AABE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance =20 Ok, actually, the AC plug will come with any power pack you buy, = third party or Nintendo's AC adapter.>>>>>>>>> Well..hmm, so what I'm asking though is do you have the power pack = plugged in and then the AC adaptor plugged into the power pack? I got a = power pack (Interact...the one with the little stand) with my Ebworld = bundle but wasn't sure if you could play it with the AC plugged into the = power pack or if the plug was simple for charging. I would look at the = instructions except I accidentally cut them in half when I cut open the = plastic. Also, at the time, I did not realize that the GBA did not have = a separate port for the AC adaptor....by the time I realized it, I had = already thrown the packaging in the dumpster. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- HERETIC! You throw away packaging for game related stuff?=20 STONE HIM IMMEDIATELY! HERETIC! ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table sx - ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C0F5D9.94AABE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 = 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy = Advance

Ok, actually, the AC plug will come = with any=20 power pack you buy, third party or Nintendo's AC=20 adapter.>>>>>>>>>

Well..hmm, so what I'm asking though = is do you=20 have the power pack plugged in and then the AC adaptor plugged into = the=20 power pack? I got a power pack (Interact...the one with the = little=20 stand) with my Ebworld bundle but wasn't sure if you could play it = with the=20 AC plugged into the power pack or if the plug was simple for = charging. =20 I would look at the instructions except I accidentally cut them in = half when=20 I cut open the plastic. Also, at the time, I did not realize = that the=20 GBA did not have a separate port for the AC adaptor....by the = time I=20 realized it, I had already thrown the packaging in the = dumpster.

Stryder

HERETIC!

You throw away packaging for game = related stuff?=20

STONE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

HERETIC!

- ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C0F5D9.94AABE20-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:57:21 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Mainstream for BroadBand Still Years Away > OK...so, people with 56k would just have to limit how many players they are > willing to play with at one time while broadband user would be able to start > (host) games for larger numbers of people. Why does a game have to be large > scale to reap the benefits of online play? People with 56k simply have to > bide their time until broadband is available/affordable in their area. > > Stryder First of all, I think your small scale on-line game, say a 4 player on-line fighter or something like a Mario Kart online really defeats the purpose of having broadband. The reason why Microsoft was pushing broadband was for all these other things you could do with it, and the reason why this topic got started was even they themselves, being big supporters of broadband, admit it is at best 5 years away. So that begs the question of whether broadband is needed at all for this generation, and the answer to that question is no. Developers will just make games for 56K users and broadband will be just a convenience. And sure, they can release broadband adaptors for those people with broadband, but don't expect developers to bend over backwards to make any significant moves in expanding the kind of on-line play broadband affords and the hype of the massively on-line multiplayer that has been the buzzword of the media for a few years now. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:36:01 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C0F5DA.CA3DD760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance > > Hell no it wouldn't cost more than $5 USD to produce in mass > quantities....that is more of a max. Also, why would there be any = issue > with batteries??? It's a damn electric light we're talking about = here, not > a kerosene lantern. Sure, it would drain batteries faster, but that = is why > you make it with a simple on/off switch. I have an alarm clock = radio > sitting here that cost me $10 at Wal-Mart that has a fairly large = screen > that can be lit quite brightly with indiglo. Not only does the = indiglo have > an on/off switch, but it also has a wheel where you can adjust the > brightness and a light sensor that allows it to automatically turn = on and > get brighter and brighter the darker it gets. > > THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! > > Stryder I think the engineering required to make an efficient backlight system = is as close to rocket science as you can get without being in the field. It's easy to throw in everything you think you can afford to put into = a console and charge people some high price for it. But it's a completely = different matter to engineer something that marrys power and efficiency into a = cheap package. Call me biased, but I actually appreciate the Japanese = design method of searching for that sweet spot between power and cost than the = American method of throwing everything they have at it, as personified by the = Xbox. -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Damnit fools! The Lynx and Lil' Lynx were very good on batteries, and = they were backlit. They also had an on/off switch for the screen light. = If Epyx could pull it off and charge only $149 (back in 1990) for the = system (with California Games) and $99 for the Lil' Lynx I really think = Nintendo could do the same if they put their minds to it.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table sx - ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C0F5DA.CA3DD760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 = 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy = Advance

>
> Hell no it wouldn't cost more than $5 USD = to=20 produce in mass
> quantities....that is more of a max. = Also, why=20 would there be any issue
> with batteries??? It's a damn = electric=20 light we're talking about here, not
> a kerosene lantern. = Sure, it=20 would drain batteries faster, but that is why
> you make it with = a=20 simple on/off switch. I have an alarm clock radio
> = sitting here=20 that cost me $10 at Wal-Mart that has a fairly large screen
> = that can=20 be lit quite brightly with indiglo. Not only does the indiglo=20 have
> an on/off switch, but it also has a wheel where you can = adjust=20 the
> brightness and a light sensor that allows it to = automatically turn=20 on and
> get brighter and brighter the darker it = gets.
>
>=20 THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
>
> Stryder

I think the = engineering required to make an efficient backlight system is = as
close to=20 rocket science as you can get without being in the field.

It's = easy to=20 throw in everything you think you can afford to put into a = console
and=20 charge people some high price for it. But it's a completely=20 different
matter to engineer something that marrys power and=20 efficiency into a cheap
package. Call me biased, but I = actually=20 appreciate the Japanese design method
of searching for that = sweet=20 spot between power and cost than the American
method of throwing = everything=20 they have at it, as personified by the Xbox.

--
Dexter=20 S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com

Damnit fools! The Lynx and Lil' Lynx = were very good=20 on batteries, and they were backlit. They also had an on/off switch for = the=20 screen light. If Epyx could pull it off and charge only $149 (back in = 1990) for=20 the system (with California Games) and $99 for the Lil' Lynx I really = think=20 Nintendo could do the same if they put their minds to it.

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