From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1582 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, June 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1582 Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Turok 2's textures better than most DC textures Re: [NG] Mainstream for BroadBand Still Years Away Re: [NG] Turok 2's textures better than most DC textures Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:04:02 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance The LCD in your $10 alarm clock is not the same as the high definition LCD in the GBA, which actually contains more pixels per square inch than the pixels found in a square inch area of an HDTV set. Also, when it comes to exploiting cheap and efficient technologies, Nintendo has always been ahead of the curve. The fact of the matter is, backlighting of these types of LCD screens simply hasn't gotten to the level yet. Geoff had responded earlier about one of the solutions currently in market, being a sidelit screen for the iPaqs that does the job relatively well but has a problem with dust collection. And I should know, my friend has one and is annoyed by it. Thraxen wrote: > > I think the engineering required to make an efficient backlight system is > as > > close to rocket science as you can get without being in the field. > > Please...then why is my $10 alarm clock radio so cheap and yet has a radio, > alarm and large backlit screen whose light source can be turn off or on, > intensity adjusted, and equipped with a light sensor to adjust the > brightness automatically the darker it gets? If they truly wanted to have > included backlighting, they could have...and even at a reasonable price > (witness the radio). Apparently, the same lame reasoning that caused Sony > to go with 2 controller ports on the PS2 applies to Nintendo and their lack > of backlighting. > > Stryder > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:08:22 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance - --------------2E8D04DEFD7B35885598DF8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rather play Heretic than stone Stryder O_o Dex Dave Rhodes wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thraxen > To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance > > > Ok, actually, the AC plug will come with any power > pack you buy, third party or Nintendo's AC > adapter.>>>>>>>>> > > > Well..hmm, so what I'm asking though is do you > have the power pack plugged in and then the AC > adaptor plugged into the power pack? I got a power > pack (Interact...the one with the little stand) > with my Ebworld bundle but wasn't sure if you > could play it with the AC plugged into the power > pack or if the plug was simple for charging. I > would look at the instructions except I > accidentally cut them in half when I cut open the > plastic. Also, at the time, I did not realize > that the GBA did not have a separate port for the > AC adaptor....by the time I realized it, I had > already thrown the packaging in the dumpster. > > Stryder > --------------------------------------------------- > > HERETIC! You throw away packaging for game related stuff? STONE HIM > IMMEDIATELY! HERETIC! ~~ Dave ~~ > > Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew > Police in the corner gunnin' for you > Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat > Laugh when the shoot you > Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish > Treytable@sega.net > AIM: Trey Table sx - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------2E8D04DEFD7B35885598DF8E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rather play Heretic than stone Stryder O_o

Dex

Dave Rhodes wrote:

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Thraxen
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance
  
Ok, actually, the AC plug will come with any power pack you buy, third party or Nintendo's AC adapter.>>>>>>>>>
 
 
Well..hmm, so what I'm asking though is do you have the power pack plugged in and then the AC adaptor plugged into the power pack? I got a power pack (Interact...the one with the little stand) with my Ebworld bundle but wasn't sure if you could play it with the AC plugged into the power pack or if the plug was simple for charging.  I would look at the instructions except I accidentally cut them in half when I cut open the plastic.  Also, at the time, I did not realize that the GBA did not have a separate port for the AC adaptor....by the time I realized it, I had already thrown the packaging in the dumpster.
 
Stryder 
 HERETIC! You throw away packaging for game related stuff? STONE HIM IMMEDIATELY! HERETIC! ~~ Dave ~~

Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew
Police in the corner gunnin' for you
Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat
Laugh when the shoot you
Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: Trey Table sx

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------2E8D04DEFD7B35885598DF8E-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:49:32 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance - --part1_6e.bb8e479.285c071c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're largely missing the point -- why you bought the system isn't important to Nintendo...just that you bought it period. I'm not saying a backlit screen wouldn't be nice, but it's just not there. It's more cost efficient for Nintendo, there haven't been any serious complaints against it, there is no competition, and, ultimately, there's just no need for Nintendo change. The AGBs will continue to sell in droves, backlit or not. Besides, in case you fine folks haven't noticed, it's the exact type of screen the Game Boy Color had. If you could deal with it then, you can deal with it now. It's certainly not like Nintendo was saying at any point in time that the AGB would have a backlit screen. Oh, and Geoff, thanks for those links. Very, very interesting articles. Aldo Merino - --------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com In a message dated 6/15/2001 12:01:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > > >> But this is something that people have been asking for/about since the >> days of the original GB...First the GB, no backlight, but that's OK since >> it a new system anyway. Then the GB pocket comes along and no backlight >> (except for an indiglo version only available in Japan)...GBC comes along >> and no backlight, and now the GBA comes along and STILL no >> backlight...WTF? Get a damn clue already! >> >> <<> I've >> already bought a Cobra Light Advance and Cobra AC Adapter for $17 total. >> The >> light works well and the AC Adapter keeps me from every worrying about >> batteries since I never play the Game Boy on the road (figures)>>> >> >> I've tried those various light attachments and I have yet to find one that >> you couldn't see the reflection of the light itself or some horrible glare >> on the screen. Also, I don't want a bunch of gizmos attached to my GBA, >> that's not why I bought it. >> >> Stryder >> > - --part1_6e.bb8e479.285c071c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're largely missing the point -- why you bought the system isn't important
to Nintendo...just that you bought it period. I'm not saying a backlit screen
wouldn't be nice, but it's just not there. It's more cost efficient for
Nintendo, there haven't been any serious complaints against it, there is no
competition, and, ultimately, there's just no need for Nintendo change. The
AGBs will continue to sell in droves, backlit or not.

Besides, in case you fine folks haven't noticed, it's the exact type of
screen the Game Boy Color had. If you could deal with it then, you can deal
with it now. It's certainly not like Nintendo was saying at any point in time
that the AGB would have a backlit screen.

Oh, and Geoff, thanks for those links. Very, very interesting articles.

Aldo Merino
---------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com

In a message dated 6/15/2001 12:01:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thraxen@ipa.net writes:



But this is something that people have been asking for/about since the
days of the original GB...First the GB, no backlight, but that's OK since
it a new system anyway.  Then the GB pocket comes along and no backlight
(except for an indiglo version only available in Japan)...GBC comes along
and no backlight, and now the GBA comes along and STILL no
backlight...WTF? Get a damn clue already!

<<<In gaming there are a lot of shortcomings -- you just deal with them.
I've
already bought a Cobra Light Advance and Cobra AC Adapter for $17 total.
The
light works well and the AC Adapter keeps me from every worrying about
batteries since I never play the Game Boy on the road (figures)>>>

I've tried those various light attachments and I have yet to find one that
you couldn't see the reflection of the light itself or some horrible glare
on the screen.  Also, I don't want a bunch of gizmos attached to my GBA,
that's not why I bought it.

Stryder



- --part1_6e.bb8e479.285c071c_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:50:37 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Turok 2's textures better than most DC textures - --part1_11c.603bf8.285c075d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/2001 12:01:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > Ummm...well, Turok 2 looked nice...except you couldn't see all that far > because of all the fog! > > Stryder Think that's bad? Play Dynasty Warriors 2 on the PS2...heck, just look at Dynasty Warriors 3. At least Acclaim made the effort to clean it up in the sequels... Aldo Merino - --------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_11c.603bf8.285c075d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/2001 12:01:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thraxen@ipa.net writes:


Ummm...well, Turok 2 looked nice...except you couldn't see all that far
because of all the fog!

Stryder
Think that's bad? Play Dynasty Warriors 2 on the PS2...heck, just look at
Dynasty Warriors 3. At least Acclaim made the effort to clean it up in the
sequels...

Aldo Merino
---------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_11c.603bf8.285c075d_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:34:38 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Mainstream for BroadBand Still Years Away - --part1_68.10224064.285c11ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/01 2:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: > Heh, we have the same problems, Aldo. My dad sees no point in switching, I > do. > -Eric- Same here. I was THIS CLOSE to getting a satellite modem for Christmas, but the HUGE extra fees were ridiculous. My parents think anything other than AOL won't give you email, instant messages, favorite places, etc. I tell them we can use DSL (no point in cable since we already have a satellite dish) and get really fast Internet and email and use IMer, but these pleas fall on deaf ears, especially when it would be about $50 a month for broadband. ~Matt "You guys have it real easy. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because, the fact is, you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you, it doesn't matter. You were born rich, and your going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: take dead aim ... on the rich kids. Get them in the crosshairs ... and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything ... but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you." - - Herman Blume - --part1_68.10224064.285c11ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/01 2:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com
writes:


Heh, we have the same problems, Aldo.  My dad sees no point in switching, I
do.
-Eric-


Same here. I was THIS CLOSE to getting a satellite modem for Christmas, but
the HUGE extra fees were ridiculous. My parents think anything other than AOL
won't give you email, instant messages, favorite places, etc. I tell them we
can use DSL (no point in cable since we already have a satellite dish) and
get really fast Internet and email and use IMer, but these pleas fall on deaf
ears, especially when it would be about $50 a month for broadband.


~Matt

"You guys have it real easy. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I
send my kids here because, the fact is, you go to one of the best schools in
the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you, it doesn't matter. You were born
rich, and your going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you:
take dead aim ... on the rich kids. Get them in the crosshairs ... and take
them down. Just remember, they can buy anything ... but they can't buy
backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you."

- Herman Blume


- --part1_68.10224064.285c11ae_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:12 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Turok 2's textures better than most DC textures - --part1_8e.170baede.285c12c0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/01 5:02:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > T2 was an OK game. The visuals (as fogged up as they were) were pretty > impressive. The atmosphere of the game was great and there was some very > good level design. BUT, the game was very cheap at times. It was like they > made it artificially hard by sometimes placing save points very far apart. > Sometimes, I just didn't have the time to spend over an hour hunting down > the next save point...not the type of game you could just sit down and play > 20 minutes... > > Stryder > And for Christ's sake, could they make the Lair of the Blind Ones any more confusing? I heard the reviews say it was hard, and I was like, "yeah, sure," but every damn time you fell down one of those holes, there was the same setting: go down the tunnel to the left or go straight for another hole. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - - Calvin and Hobbes - --part1_8e.170baede.285c12c0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/01 5:02:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net
writes:


T2 was an OK game.  The visuals (as fogged up as they were) were pretty
impressive.  The atmosphere of the game was great and there was some very
good level design.  BUT, the game was very cheap at times. It was like they
made it artificially hard by sometimes placing save points very far apart.  
Sometimes, I just didn't have the time to spend over an hour hunting down
the next save point...not the type of game you could just sit down and play
20 minutes...

Stryder


And for Christ's sake, could they make the Lair of the Blind Ones any more
confusing? I heard the reviews say it was hard, and I was like, "yeah, sure,"
but every damn time you fell down one of those holes, there was the same
setting: go down the tunnel to the left or go straight for another hole.


~Matt

"Reality continues to ruin my life."
      
- Calvin and Hobbes


- --part1_8e.170baede.285c12c0_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:50:05 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance - --part1_88.7f595f0.285c154d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/01 6:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dextersy@home.com writes: > To backlight the GBA properly would require something that lights up the LCD > uniformly, and if they did we'd all need lithium batteries to play and that > limits Nintendo's market for the handheld. > -- > Dexter S. > Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine > Http://www.tendobox.com > I think backlighting is something that will simply come with the next generations. Look at the GBA: 15 hours off of two AA batteries. That is fucking amazing, especially when you consider nary a few years ago the GBC could only get 10 hours out of the same power. So I think eventually Nintendo will find a way to make a backlit screen plausible with, say, maybe four batteries. Does anyone remember the GB Light, the Japan-only backlit Game Boy Pocket? That allowed you to play GB either normally or with the light. I think if you make the backlighting something you can toggle off and on depending on the situation, then they should say fuck it and make the thing backlit. ~Matt "Can you name the truck with four-wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats 35." Canyonero! Canyonero! "Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down, it's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown!" Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero! "12 yards long, two lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride!" Canyonero! Canyonero! "Top of the line in Utility Sports, unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!" Canyonero! Canyonero! "She blinds everybody with her super-high beams, she's a squirrel-squashin' deer-smackin' drivin' machine!" Canyonero! Canyonero! - --part1_88.7f595f0.285c154d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/15/01 6:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dextersy@home.com writes:


To backlight the GBA properly would require something that lights up the LCD
uniformly, and if they did we'd all need lithium batteries to play and that
limits Nintendo's market for the handheld.
--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com


I think backlighting is something that will simply come with the next
generations. Look at the GBA: 15 hours off of two AA batteries. That is
fucking amazing, especially when you consider nary a few years ago the GBC
could only get 10 hours out of the same power. So I think eventually Nintendo
will find a way to make a backlit screen plausible with, say, maybe four
batteries.

Does anyone remember the GB Light, the Japan-only backlit Game Boy Pocket?
That allowed you to play GB either normally or with the light. I think if you
make the backlighting something you can toggle off and on depending on the
situation, then they should say fuck it and make the thing backlit.


~Matt

"Can you name the truck with four-wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats
35."
Canyonero! Canyonero!
"Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down, it's the country-fried truck
endorsed by a clown!"
Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero!
"12 yards long, two lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride!"
Canyonero! Canyonero!
"Top of the line in Utility Sports, unexplained fires are a matter for the
courts!"
Canyonero! Canyonero!
"She blinds everybody with her super-high beams, she's a squirrel-squashin'
deer-smackin' drivin' machine!"
Canyonero! Canyonero! - --part1_88.7f595f0.285c154d_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:45:23 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance - --part1_108.150b3fe.285c3e63_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 06/15/2001 4:53:51 PM Central Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > Well..hmm, so what I'm asking though is do you have the power pack plugged > in and then the AC adaptor plugged into the power pack? I got a power pack > (Interact...the one with the little stand) with my Ebworld bundle but > wasn't sure if you could play it with the AC plugged into the power pack or > if the plug was simple for charging. I would look at the instructions > except I accidentally cut them in half when I cut open the plastic. Also, > at the time, I did not realize that the GBA did not have a separate port > for the AC adaptor....by the time I realized it, I had already thrown the > packaging in the dumpster. > > Stryder > I used it today. It can be played plugged into the wall, although it's pretty uncomfortable. But then, I left it in for a while, then took it with in the car. I think that's one of the best accessories for GBA. Works great. - -Eric- - --part1_108.150b3fe.285c3e63_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 06/15/2001 4:53:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
thraxen@ipa.net writes:


Well..hmm, so what I'm asking though is do you have the power pack plugged
in and then the AC adaptor plugged into the power pack? I got a power pack
(Interact...the one with the little stand) with my Ebworld bundle but
wasn't sure if you could play it with the AC plugged into the power pack or
if the plug was simple for charging.  I would look at the instructions
except I accidentally cut them in half when I cut open the plastic.  Also,
at the time, I did not realize that the GBA did not have a separate port
for the AC adaptor....by the time I realized it, I had already thrown the
packaging in the dumpster.

Stryder


I used it today.  It can be played plugged into the wall, although it's
pretty uncomfortable.  But then, I left it in for a while, then took it with
in the car.  I think that's one of the best accessories for GBA.  Works great.
-Eric- - --part1_108.150b3fe.285c3e63_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:49:50 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Lame Boy Advance - --part1_15.15d2fffe.285c3f6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 06/15/2001 5:06:28 PM Central Daylight Time, dextersy@home.com writes: > To backlight the GBA properly would require something that lights up the LCD > uniformly, and if they did we'd all need lithium batteries to play and that > limits Nintendo's market for the handheld. > Aren't lithium batteries illegal? Or am I retarded? - --part1_15.15d2fffe.285c3f6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 06/15/2001 5:06:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dextersy@home.com writes:


To backlight the GBA properly would require something that lights up the LCD
uniformly, and if they did we'd all need lithium batteries to play and that
limits Nintendo's market for the handheld.


Aren't lithium batteries illegal?  Or am I retarded? - --part1_15.15d2fffe.285c3f6e_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1582 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]