From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1605 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, July 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1605 Re: [NG] Oracle of Seasons [NG] Zelda DX Re: [NG] Zelda DX [NG] Final Fantasy Chronicles Re: [NG] Final Fantasy Chronicles [NG] help (gba thps2) [NG] an extra copy [NG] to the Americans Re: [NG] to the Americans Re: [NG] an extra copy [NG] Final Fantasy IV help needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:37:25 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Oracle of Seasons Dave Rhodes wrote: > You must have good ears. I couldn't get past the freaking dance part > in Oracle of Seasons. All the noises sounded the same. I thought that > was a poor idea. It should have been a QTE like in Shenmue. Hell, > Dance Dance Revolution (pick any version) doesn't even rely on sound > cues alone, why did those idiots at Capcom think the Game Boy Color > should? It's really pretty easy once you get the hang of it. I believe there is also the visual clues, when he points left, points right, and points straight up. The similar task in Oracle of Ages is even a bit more difficult. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Ballard Subject: [NG] Zelda DX Is the original Zelda game for the Game Boy Color out of print? I can't find it ANYWHERE. Thanks. Tim [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:16:21 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Zelda DX This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0FFAA.9D847240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Ballard=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: [NG] Zelda DX Is the original Zelda game for the Game Boy Color out of print? I = can't find it ANYWHERE. Thanks. Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Try Funcoland. Or the used games section at http://www.ebgames.com ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0FFAA.9D847240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Ballard=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 = 1:21=20 AM
Subject: [NG] Zelda DX

Is the original Zelda game for the Game Boy Color out = of=20 print?  I can't
find it ANYWHERE. =20 = Thanks.

         &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp; =20 Tim



 
Try Funcoland. Or the used games = section at http://www.ebgames.com
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0FFAA.9D847240-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:59:44 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: [NG] Final Fantasy Chronicles This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C100D6.0A94A680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable During a very good run in Crazy Taxi this morning (grand score of = $58,000+) I got a call from EB, it seemed that my copy of Final Fantasy = Chronicles was in; I didn't expect it until late July. So I hopped in my = car and rushed out to get it. When I got to EB, they also had my Sonic = 10th Anniversary package waiting for me (they got them a week after SA2 = come out, not in the shipment with the game, I don't know why, but I = love the tunes from Sonic R, but I digress). Bonus! Yes. Okay, back to = FF Chronicles. the first game I tried out was Chrono Trigger, popped it = in the PS2 and let it go. The intro is pretty good, it's animated and = such, but the framerate of the animation is choppy, like somebody lost = half of the animation cells, I hope the in-game cutscenes aren't like = that. Another thing, Chrono Trigger doesn't fill the entire screen when = the game is running, there's a black bar on the bottom of the screen; = now I know how those with PAL TVs feel. But everything still looks = right, and the black bar is hardly a nuisance. But the load time before = and after a fight and switching to a menu screen is pretty bad, but that = clears right up when setting disc speed to FAST on the PS2. I played = about an hour of Chrono Trigger and for what I played, it's just like on = the SNES, except the music sounds fuller.=20 Then I tried Final Fantasy 4. This game is the bomb, I'm four hours into = it now, and if it wasn't for numb thumb I'd still be playing. Nintendo = of America really butchered Final Fantasy 2 USA cos FF4 has way more = character to it. Also it has a dash feature for towns and dungeons (like = in Final Fantasy VI and on) but you're still limited to four way = direction. Now I don't know where I read this, but I read that the load = time for FF4 on the PSX was horrible, but that can't be any farther from = the truth, a few times I have forgotten I was playing a CD based game; = the load times between battles, menus, etc are to quick to count in = seconds, like playing on a cartridge system, and that was on the PS2 = with disc speed set as NORMAL, I tried FF4 at first on FAST but the = music during fights went all crazy. =3D)=20 Oh, maybe it was a misprint, but on the back of the Final Fantasy = Chronicles instructions there's an ad for Final Fantasy X (surprised?) = and it says it won't be out until early 2002. Bummer, eh? But I think = Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV are enough for now. Oh, and I was = shopping yesterday and at quite a few stores I saw they had Xenogears = for $39.99. If you don't have Xenogears you really should buy it, that = is, if you like RPGs. ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C100D6.0A94A680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
During a very good run in Crazy Taxi = this morning=20 (grand score of $58,000+) I got a call from EB, it seemed that my copy = of Final=20 Fantasy Chronicles was in; I didn't expect it until late July. So I = hopped in my=20 car and rushed out to get it. When I got to EB, they also had my Sonic = 10th=20 Anniversary package waiting for me (they got them a week after SA2 come = out, not=20 in the shipment with the game, I don't know why, but I love the tunes = from Sonic=20 R, but I digress). Bonus! Yes. Okay, back to FF Chronicles. the first = game I=20 tried out was Chrono Trigger, popped it in the PS2 and let it go. The = intro is=20 pretty good, it's animated and such, but the framerate of the animation = is=20 choppy, like somebody lost half of the animation cells, I hope the = in-game=20 cutscenes aren't like that. Another thing, Chrono Trigger doesn't fill = the=20 entire screen when the game is running, there's a black bar on the = bottom of the=20 screen; now I know how those with PAL TVs feel. But everything still = looks=20 right, and the black bar is hardly a nuisance. But the load time before = and=20 after a fight and switching to a menu screen is pretty bad, but that = clears=20 right up when setting disc speed to FAST on the PS2. I played about an = hour of=20 Chrono Trigger and for what I played, it's just like on the SNES, except = the=20 music sounds fuller.
 
Then I tried Final Fantasy 4. This game = is the=20 bomb, I'm four hours into it now, and if it wasn't for numb thumb I'd = still be=20 playing. Nintendo of America really butchered Final Fantasy 2 USA cos = FF4 has=20 way more character to it. Also it has a dash feature for towns and = dungeons=20 (like in Final Fantasy VI and on) but you're still limited to four way=20 direction. Now I don't know where I read this, but I read that the load = time for=20 FF4 on the PSX was horrible, but that can't be any farther from the = truth, a few=20 times I have forgotten I was playing a CD based game; the load times = between=20 battles, menus, etc are to quick to count in seconds, like playing on a=20 cartridge system, and that was on the PS2 with disc speed set as NORMAL, = I tried=20 FF4 at first on FAST but the music during fights went all crazy. =3D)=20
 
Oh, maybe it was a misprint, but on the = back of the=20 Final Fantasy Chronicles instructions there's an ad for Final Fantasy X=20 (surprised?) and it says it won't be out until early 2002. Bummer, eh? = But I=20 think Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV are enough for now. Oh, and I = was=20 shopping yesterday and at quite a few stores I saw they had Xenogears = for=20 $39.99. If you don't have Xenogears you really should buy it, that is, = if you=20 like RPGs.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C100D6.0A94A680-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:55:42 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Final Fantasy Chronicles - --part1_cf.8923408.286f88be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/01 7:57:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TreyTable@sega.net writes: > Then I tried Final Fantasy 4. This game is the bomb, I'm four hours into it > now, and if it wasn't for numb thumb I'd still be playing. Nintendo of > America really butchered Final Fantasy 2 USA cos FF4 has way more character > to it. Also it has a dash feature for towns and dungeons (like in Final > Fantasy VI and on) but you're still limited to four way direction. Now I > don't know where I read this, but I read that the load time for FF4 on the > PSX was horrible, but that can't be any farther from the truth, a few times > I have forgotten I was playing a CD based game; the load times between > battles, menus, etc are to quick to count in seconds, like playing on a > cartridge system, and that was on the PS2 with disc speed set as NORMAL, I > tried FF4 at first on FAST but the music during fights went all crazy. =) > > Oh, maybe it was a misprint, but on the back of the Final Fantasy > Chronicles instructions there's an ad for Final Fantasy X (surprised?) and > it says it won't be out until early 2002. Bummer, eh? But I think Chrono > Trigger and Final Fantasy IV are enough for now. Oh, and I was shopping > yesterday and at quite a few stores I saw they had Xenogears for $39.99. If > you don't have Xenogears you really should buy it, that is, if you like > RPGs. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > Well, the Final Fantasy 4 Japanese version has a "Dash" move. However, it's only in battles. Cecil uses it. So your also saying that if you set the disk speed to fast, it doesn't just load faster, it plays faster? - -Jed - ------------------------ Always Coka-Cola Enjoy:-) - --part1_cf.8923408.286f88be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/01 7:57:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
TreyTable@sega.net writes:


Then I tried Final Fantasy 4. This game is the bomb, I'm four hours into it
now, and if it wasn't for numb thumb I'd still be playing. Nintendo of
America really butchered Final Fantasy 2 USA cos FF4 has way more character
to it. Also it has a dash feature for towns and dungeons (like in Final
Fantasy VI and on) but you're still limited to four way direction. Now I
don't know where I read this, but I read that the load time for FF4 on the
PSX was horrible, but that can't be any farther from the truth, a few times
I have forgotten I was playing a CD based game; the load times between
battles, menus, etc are to quick to count in seconds, like playing on a
cartridge system, and that was on the PS2 with disc speed set as NORMAL, I
tried FF4 at first on FAST but the music during fights went all crazy. =)

Oh, maybe it was a misprint, but on the back of the Final Fantasy
Chronicles instructions there's an ad for Final Fantasy X (surprised?) and
it says it won't be out until early 2002. Bummer, eh? But I think Chrono
Trigger and Final Fantasy IV are enough for now. Oh, and I was shopping
yesterday and at quite a few stores I saw they had Xenogears for $39.99. If
you don't have Xenogears you really should buy it, that is, if you like
RPGs.

~~ Dave ~~




Well, the Final Fantasy 4 Japanese version has a "Dash" move. However, it's
only in battles. Cecil uses it. So your also saying that if you set the disk
speed to fast, it doesn't just load faster, it plays faster?

-Jed
------------------------
A
lways Coka-Cola
Enjoy:-)
- --part1_cf.8923408.286f88be_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:30:22 +0200 From: "Steve" Subject: [NG] help (gba thps2) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1025B.E3DEE640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does any of you know how to do the class dismissed gap on school II (i = tried jumping from the planter over the rail but that just gives = 'ditchin class') Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1025B.E3DEE640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
does any of you know how to do the = class dismissed=20 gap on school II (i tried jumping from the planter over the rail but = that just=20 gives 'ditchin class')
 
Steve
- ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1025B.E3DEE640-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:34:04 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: [NG] an extra copy This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C103DD.F93F1040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember way back when Stryder discovered he had two copies of Banjo = Tooie, and instead of returning one of them he gave it to a list member? = Well now I face that too. I was going through my games and noticed that = not only do I have separate cartridges of Super Mario Bros. and Duck = Hunt, but I also have two copies of the dual pack of Super Mario = Bros./Duck Hunt.=20 So I ask you fellow list members, is there anybody who would like a copy = of Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt? =3D) Seriously though, I do have two copies of Pac-Man for the NES, one the = Tengen version and the other the Namco version. But the thing is they're = the exact same thing when you play them on the NES. I'm keeping the = Tengen version, it's an original Tengen game.. it has the Nintendo Seal = Of Approval on it. So I really don't need the Namco version.=20 Ya know what? The Agetec Arcade Stick for the Dreamcast sucks for = Pac-Man & Ms. Pac Man. I bought Namco Museum for the Dreamcast today = because I have the Agetec Arcade Stick and I thought this would be the = closest thing to having a real Pac-Man setup. But the darn Agetec stick = is an 8 way controller and to make matters worse it doesn't have a long = enough range for stick movement. Nice for Street Fighter but not good at = all for Pac-Man or Ms. Pac-Man. I get better control on the ASCII Pad = FT. Does anybody know of a good 4 way joystick for either the = PlayStation (2) or Dreamcast? ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C103DD.F93F1040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Remember way back when Stryder = discovered he had=20 two copies of Banjo Tooie, and instead of returning one of them he gave = it to a=20 list member? Well now I face that too. I was going through my games and = noticed=20 that not only do I have separate cartridges of Super Mario Bros. and = Duck Hunt,=20 but I also have two copies of the dual pack of Super Mario Bros./Duck = Hunt.=20
 
So I ask you fellow list members, is = there anybody=20 who would like a copy of Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt? =3D)
 
Seriously though, I do have two copies = of Pac-Man=20 for the NES, one the Tengen version and the other the Namco version. But = the=20 thing is they're the exact same thing when you play them on the NES. I'm = keeping=20 the Tengen version, it's an original Tengen game.. it has the Nintendo = Seal Of=20 Approval on it. So I really don't need the Namco version.
 
 
Ya know what? The Agetec Arcade Stick = for the=20 Dreamcast sucks for Pac-Man & Ms. Pac Man. I bought Namco Museum for = the=20 Dreamcast today because I have the Agetec Arcade Stick and I thought = this would=20 be the closest thing to having a real Pac-Man setup. But the darn Agetec = stick=20 is an 8 way controller and to make matters worse it doesn't have a long = enough=20 range for stick movement. Nice for Street Fighter but not good at all = for=20 Pac-Man or Ms. Pac-Man. I get better control on the ASCII Pad FT. Does = anybody=20 know of a good 4 way joystick for either the PlayStation (2) or=20 Dreamcast?
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C103DD.F93F1040-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:04:27 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: [NG] to the Americans This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10468.53EDFC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To the Americans on the list, have a good Independence Day. To everybody = else, ummm. I dunno. ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10468.53EDFC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To the Americans on the list, have a = good=20 Independence Day. To everybody else, ummm. I dunno.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10468.53EDFC60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:22:47 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] to the Americans - --part1_114.1315391.287480b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/01 9:02:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TreyTable@sega.net writes: > To the Americans on the list, have a good Independence Day. To everybody > else, ummm. I dunno. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > I just know that servers won't be as flooded today because less people are logged onto the net. - -Jed - ------------------------ Always Coca-Cola Enjoy:-) - --part1_114.1315391.287480b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/01 9:02:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
TreyTable@sega.net writes:


To the Americans on the list, have a good Independence Day. To everybody
else, ummm. I dunno.

~~ Dave ~~



I just know that servers won't be as flooded today because less people are
logged onto the net.

-Jed
------------------------
A
lways Coca-Cola
Enjoy:-)
- --part1_114.1315391.287480b7_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:39:05 +0200 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: [NG] an extra copy This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C104C0.FC6E3F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think i got 2 copies of zelda 1 here... it's yours if you pay the transport costs steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C104C0.FC6E3F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think i got 2 copies of zelda 1=20 here...
it's yours if you pay = the transport=20 costs
 
steve
- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C104C0.FC6E3F00-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:45:32 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: [NG] Final Fantasy IV help needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C10619.8B6844E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is quite a conundrum. Back in 1992 when I had Final Fantasy 2 for = the Super NES (which I paid a hefty $69.99 for) I had no problems going = through and finishing the game. There was no such thing as the Strategy = Guides that populate any place that sells games, there really wasn't the = Internet where I could go to GameFaqs to get help, or was there mailing = lists like these where I could ask for help, yet somehow I beat the = sucka.=20 Maybe it's because of the pig in Mythryl Village that says, "what up, = G?", or I have so many other things to remember, but anyway, I'm stuck. I just got the first Airship, Cid has joined my party and the twins are = really stoned. I have to get the Earth Crystal to trade to Golbez, but = to get that I have to get the Crystal from the Black Elf, but there's = nowhere I can land the Airship on the Black Elf's island. Darn it now, = does anybody know what I'm supposed to do? ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C10619.8B6844E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is quite a conundrum. Back in 1992 = when I had=20 Final Fantasy 2 for the Super NES (which I paid a hefty $69.99 for) I = had no=20 problems going through and finishing the game. There was no such thing = as the=20 Strategy Guides that populate any place that sells games, there really = wasn't=20 the Internet where I could go to GameFaqs to get help, or was there = mailing=20 lists like these where I could ask for help, yet somehow I beat the = sucka.=20
 
Maybe it's because of the pig in = Mythryl Village=20 that says, "what up, G?", or I have so many other things to = remember, but=20 anyway, I'm stuck.
 
I just got the first Airship, Cid has = joined my=20 party and the twins are really stoned. I have to get the Earth Crystal = to trade=20 to Golbez, but to get that I have to get the Crystal from the Black Elf, = but=20 there's nowhere I can land the Airship on the Black Elf's island. Darn = it now,=20 does anybody know what I'm supposed to do?
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
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