From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1625 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, July 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1625 Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Redundancy and Xbox Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX [NG] Lucky bastards Re: [NG] Redundancy and Xbox Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX [NG] EGM -N64 game gets 9 9 9 Re: [NG] EGM -N64 game gets 9 9 9 Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:49:39 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > I have no problem with *you* owning more of that junk for your gaming > frustrations...all I'm saying is that *I'm* not stupid enough to be fooled > again. Go with the proven quality manufacturer, and that's Nintendo. E3 > was just more proof that MS is the same old same old. > > RS Either that or your just too hardheaded and/or stupid to try out new, potentially great things. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:47:59 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Redundancy and Xbox > > Pffft...you do know that the XBOX games were running on Alpha development > > kits, don't you? Only recently have screenshots actually appeared of games > > running on the actual final hardware. There has been some very noticable > > differences. > > Ah, the old MS VaporWare continues. I got news for you, when you actually buy > the games for XBOX, they will STILL be in Alpha development, as will XBOX itself > I'm sure! > > RS Ahh, poor Rick the uninformed. I just posted this info in my reply to Dex....but here it is agin...just for you: The differences between the E3 kits and the the final XBOX hardware: First, the GPU. The current Stage 2 dev kits have Geforce3's (NV20) in them. The final ones will have NV2A's in them. The NV2A improves upon the NV20 but having two T&L (Transformation & Lighting) units, 2 vertex shaders, 17 millin more transistors, (and an additional 10 million to use as well), and there is no AGP bottleneck like the current dev kits have. Second, the MCPX (Media Communications Processor) will also be in the final dev kits. This chip handles all the sound features of the Xbox. On the current kits, the Pentium 3 CPU was handlng the sound. This chip (along with the GPU) takes some stress off the CPU, leaving it with only mathematical calculation processing. Third, the RAM in the final kits will be unified in hardware, as opposed to being emulated liek it is in the current kits. All of these (*especially* the 2 T&L units in the GPU) will improve the look of games CONSIDERABLY, and framerate will be up to speed. Get it, Ricky? Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:51:11 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > The XBOX, with its manufacturer's long history of Crap, You do realize that nearly ALL of the hardware is made by well known and respected manufacturers? Right? Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:56:36 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > This is a Nintendo list. I'm sure most ppl here are bias in some little > way. We all grew up with nes, snes, n64. Of coarse i'm going to get > a gamecube. Most of the hardcore ppl here already own a ps2. I don't > think we would like 3 systems in our house. > > When thinking of Xbox, everyone should think of their hardware side. > The Microsoft Mouse, keyboard, gamepad, UltimateTV. They are all > great hardware products by MS. Everyone I know uses a MS mouse for it's > comfy feel. Anyone who owns a Microsoft UltimateTV or Tivo knows it has > harddrive that runs 24/7 and never crashes. > > -Vi>>>> I knew I could count on Vi to respond intelligently. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:58:48 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Man you guys are harsh. They are both good systems. Give them a chance > before you critcize them. Even if you were at e3 and have played them the > x-box will be fixed by launch. Wait until after launch and then you can > criticize it.>>>> Another "Geoff" with an intelligent response. So Geoff T, Vi, and Geoff W have actually reponded intelligently. Rick and Dex, you should be ashamed. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:54:47 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > I personally wasn't all that impressed by Xbox at E3. The controller seems > too bulky and the games all appeared to be way too early in development > stage to really get a feel for 'em. But that stuff about crashing and > patches... bah! This isn't Windows on a thousand different PCs. It's > Windows on a closed system, with tightly written code. There wont be any > BSOD or other familar crap. It'll be a good system. But like I said, so > far... it's not something for me. I'm more interested in Gamecube and later > Ill probably pick up a PS2. > > All Im saying is that Microsoft has a history that a lot of people are going > by to judge the Xbox. You shouldn't do that. Wait for the system to be > released, see how the games play, and I'm betting you that we'll all be > surprised. But it may never be the system for you, and that's fine. But > all this trash talk is just ridiculous. > > Geoff Taylor Thank you, Geoff! You other guys, take a lesson here. Geoff responded with a well written post. He didn't resort to name calling or excuses like "It's buggy", "It'll require patches", "You just want the biggest stick on the block"... I can respect his decision to go with the GC. I'm just going with what interests me...and that's all I've said all along. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:02:55 -0400 From: "geoff wuehrmann" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > > I have no problem with *you* owning more of that junk for your gaming > > frustrations...all I'm saying is that *I'm* not stupid enough to be >fooled > > again. Go with the proven quality manufacturer, and that's Nintendo. >E3 > > was just more proof that MS is the same old same old. > > > > RS > >Either that or your just too hardheaded and/or stupid to try out new, >potentially great things. > >Stryder As I said before, they are both great things. I agree we should give the X-Box a chance too. I also think the GameCube is great. Why don't we wait until november to find out what's better? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:09:07 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > As I said before, they are both great things. I agree we should give the > X-Box a chance too. I also think the GameCube is great. Why don't we wait > until november to find out what's better? I've not written off the GC. I've changed my mind once, I may do it again. Who knows, Nintendo may blow me aways with some big news at Spaceworld and I may switch back to GC. Or I may change my mind a week before the launch when reviews of both system's launch games start appearing. The decision I stated before is only as it stands now...there are a few months left in which things could change. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:09:33 From: "Dominic Johnson" Subject: [NG] Lucky bastards
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[ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:51:36 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Redundancy and Xbox Thraxen wrote: > All of these (*especially* the 2 T&L units in the GPU) will improve the look > of games CONSIDERABLY, and framerate will be up to speed. If they can get it all to work, and keep it there. :) > Get it, Ricky? Not even if you paid me to take it, Strydex. ;) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:53:18 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > I can respect his decision to go with the GC. I'm just going with what > interests me...and that's all I've said all along. You're interested in 1-800 tech support lines? Wow, cool. :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:15:04 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > Another "Geoff" with an intelligent response. So Geoff T, Vi, and Geoff W > have actually reponded intelligently. Rick and Dex, you should be ashamed. I know you're not gonna like hearing this but...I'm not. I really don't know why you're taking this so personally...it's not *you* we're criticizing, it's that Mega Corporation that puts Quantity over Quality and thereby ships crap all over the world. I'm sorry that the Truth hit you so hard. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:29:15 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Thraxen wrote: > > > Another "Geoff" with an intelligent response. So Geoff T, Vi, and Geoff W > > have actually reponded intelligently. Rick and Dex, you should be ashamed. > > I know you're not gonna like hearing this but...I'm not. > > I really don't know why you're taking this so personally...it's not *you* we're > criticizing, it's that Mega Corporation that puts Quantity over Quality and > thereby ships crap all over the world. I'm sorry that the Truth hit you so > hard. > > RS But what you are saying is not the "Truth" but merely your opinion. It may be a common opinion, but that is all it is. In my opinion many of the things you have stated in this conversation are based on falsehoods and common misconceptions. However, I'm not really interested in seeing this thread dragged on so this will be the last I have to say on the subject. Geoff Taylor [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:35:16 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > I really don't know why you're taking this so personally...it's not *you* we're > criticizing, it's that Mega Corporation that puts Quantity over Quality and Ummm...I quote you directly: "I have no problem with *you* owning more of that junk for your gaming frustrations...all I'm saying is that *I'm* not stupid enough to be fooled again. " And you wonder why I took your responses personally? Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:52:11 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > > I really don't know why you're taking this so personally...it's not *you* > we're > > criticizing, it's that Mega Corporation that puts Quantity over Quality > and > > Ummm...I quote you directly: > > "I have no problem with *you* owning more of that junk for your gaming > frustrations...all I'm saying is that *I'm* not stupid enough to be fooled > again. " > > And you wonder why I took your responses personally? All I'm basically saying there is you have your opinion and I have mine, and I'm not trying to convince you to buy a GC over XCRAP. I know you take the above to mean, "I'm not stupid enough but you *are*"...but that's not what I meant. In my experience with MS products I would be an idiot to trust them here...that's what I mean. Hey, perhaps you're one of the lucky .01% who has never experienced an MS problem...in that case, you would not be stupid to buy their crap. Better? ;) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:24:32 -0600 From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Or some of us didn't fall for Microsoft's advertising juggernaut. Thraxen wrote: > > > I have no problem with *you* owning more of that junk for your gaming > > frustrations...all I'm saying is that *I'm* not stupid enough to be fooled > > again. Go with the proven quality manufacturer, and that's Nintendo. E3 > > was just more proof that MS is the same old same old. > > > > RS > > Either that or your just too hardheaded and/or stupid to try out new, > potentially great things. > > Stryder > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:01:09 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Or some of us didn't fall for Microsoft's advertising juggernaut.>>>>>> Advertising juggernaut? I haven't seen any commercials or ads yet. MS hasn't even started their campaign yet. I've simply made my choice by looking at the games developers are working on and the features of the hardware. You guys are being completely irrational. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:20:17 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Well...I'm heading down to Texas for the weekend to visit some relatives...so I'll be unable to respond to any further e-mails on this subject until Sunday evening. Stryder P.S. here are some nice shots of XBOX graphics...note: they are not pics from final hardware http://www.bigbluebox.com/images/game/screen_04.jpg http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/enclave/bg22.jpg http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/e32001/doa3/bg2.jpg http://gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2001/xbox/Gunvalkyrie/gunvalkyrie_screen 005.jpg http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/431/big/1.jpg http://www.teamxbox.com/images/games/ss/10/image732.jpg http://gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2001/xbox/bloodwake/fp061501/bloodwake_s creen001.jpg http://gamespot.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/e3_2001/vg/xbox/doa3/deadora live3_b2_screen007.jpg http://www.unrealchampionship.com/images/shot0158.jpg [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:57:22 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > > Or some of us didn't fall for Microsoft's advertising juggernaut.>>>>>> > > Advertising juggernaut? I haven't seen any commercials or ads yet. MS > hasn't even started their campaign yet. I've simply made my choice by > looking at the games developers are working on and the features of the > hardware. You guys are being completely irrational. I'm sorry, I don't have time for this argument...I've got to get Internet Explorer working again as it crashes every time I crank it up. Bother. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:08:36 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1169D.3F475300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Sharer=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > > Or some of us didn't fall for Microsoft's advertising = juggernaut.>>>>>> > > Advertising juggernaut? I haven't seen any commercials or ads yet. = MS > hasn't even started their campaign yet. I've simply made my choice = by > looking at the games developers are working on and the features of = the > hardware. You guys are being completely irrational. I'm sorry, I don't have time for this argument...I've got to get = Internet Explorer working again as it crashes every time I crank it up. = Bother. RS - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- But can't you just wait to see how good Photoshop looks on final X-Box = hardware? Oh, the wait is just killing me. =3D) ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1169D.3F475300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Thraxen wrote:

> > Or some of us didn't = fall for=20 Microsoft's advertising = juggernaut.>>>>>>
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>=20 Advertising juggernaut?  I haven't seen any commercials or ads = yet.=20 MS
> hasn't even started their campaign yet.   I've = simply=20 made my choice by
> looking at the games developers are working = on and=20 the features of the
> hardware.  You guys are being = completely=20 irrational.

I'm sorry, I don't have time for this = argument...I've got=20 to get Internet
Explorer working again as it crashes every time I = crank it=20 up.  Bother.

RS

 
But can't you just wait to see how good = Photoshop=20 looks on final X-Box hardware? Oh, the wait is just killing me. = =3D)
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
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down by the seaside."
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1169D.3F475300-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:30:32 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Check to see which plug-ins you have installed or if you have any advertising-supported shareware running on your computer. I'm willing to bet it's not Internet Explorer that is causing the problem. I would be willing to help with further suggestions and ideas if you want. Geoff Taylor AIM: Praxcelis - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sharer" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Thraxen wrote: > > > > Or some of us didn't fall for Microsoft's advertising juggernaut.>>>>>> > > > > Advertising juggernaut? I haven't seen any commercials or ads yet. MS > > hasn't even started their campaign yet. I've simply made my choice by > > looking at the games developers are working on and the features of the > > hardware. You guys are being completely irrational. > > I'm sorry, I don't have time for this argument...I've got to get Internet > Explorer working again as it crashes every time I crank it up. Bother. > > RS > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Vi On Subject: [NG] EGM -N64 game gets 9 9 9 EGM's gives Gran T 3 10 10 10 There's an Xbox ad of Mad Dash racing. Which means xbox should come out soon... N64 game Tony Hawk 2 gets 9 9 9 (probably the last game for n64) - -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:05:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Avery Subject: Re: [NG] EGM -N64 game gets 9 9 9 On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Vi On wrote: > > EGM's gives Gran T 3 10 10 10 > > > There's an Xbox ad of Mad Dash racing. Which means xbox > should come out soon... > > > N64 game Tony Hawk 2 gets 9 9 9 (probably the last game for n64) > Nah. There are two other N64 games that are supposed to be released. Madden NFL 2002 and a Powerpuff Girls fighting game. Joy! heh - -- Chris Avery averyc@io.com http://www.n-games.com/index.shtml [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Geoff Taylor wrote: Check to see which plug-ins you have installed or if you have any advertising-supported shareware running on your computer. I'm willing to bet it's not Internet Explorer that is causing the problem. I would be willing to help with further suggestions and ideas if you want. Thanks for the offer. I've tried every single possible resolution from the MS Knowledgebase...I've used the program AD-AWARE that has cleaned up 46 'spyware' files and now I'm a free man...I've uninstalled both ZONEALARM and GATOR software according to their instructions on their respective websites. I've used the REPAIR Internet Explorer option under Control Panel-Add/Remove, I've uninstalled and re-installed IE, including doing a 'manual uninstall' to completely trick Windows 98 (again according to MS Knowledgebase)...all of the above to no avail. I've posted messages on Tech webboards, I've emailed support people at ZA, Gator, and MS...MS is the only one that has not responded yet. When I click on IE it hangs everytime, and when I click STOP, or press ESC, it crashes with: IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at 0167:bff7b9a6. But Netscape works fine. RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:08:18 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX As an aside: "ExtremeTech Readers Uncover a Major Flaw in Microsoft's Windows ME Operating System Memory Leak Could Potentially Put Millions of Computers at Risk of Frequent Crashes; Microsoft Support Confirms They Are Investigating the Problem ( http://www.extremetech.com ), Ziff Davis Internet's site for hardcore technologists, reported today that its readers have uncovered a significant flaw in Windows Millennium Edition (Windows ME), the consumer version of Microsoft's flagship operating system. The flaw -- a memory leak -- could put millions of users at risk of frequent crashes.The full story can be found online in the site's news section at http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s%253D201%2526a%253D8748,00.asp ..." RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:09:49 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Thraxen wrote: > > > Another "Geoff" with an intelligent response. So Geoff T, Vi, and Geoff W > > have actually reponded intelligently. Rick and Dex, you should be ashamed. I've read Geoff's assesment of the Xbox and have had no problems with it. I find it amusing you're suddenly taken their responses as model discussions. You knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote that post, and to accuse me of anything but writing intelligent discussion is really a personal disrespect to me. I've had plenty of chances to write sarcastic response and mock you but I've only written two posts commenting specifically on the Xbox, both of which I went into detail why I disagreed with your assesment. No, I shouldn't be ashamed. I think you should be. Clearly, this is not about ideas, but about attacking two people on this list. Our other discussion about redundancy was pretty good until you got upset near the end and that was about the same time you came up with that Xbox vs GameCube thread. Totally out of the blue. Hmmm. Coincidence? Dex [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:32:03 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > > Or some of us didn't fall for Microsoft's advertising juggernaut.>>>>>> > > Advertising juggernaut? I haven't seen any commercials or ads yet. MS > hasn't even started their campaign yet. I've simply made my choice by > looking at the games developers are working on and the features of the > hardware. You guys are being completely irrational. > > Stryder No offense, but most of rationale in your initial post was made based on technical merit and how many gadgets it had, and how well it took advantage of your superior entertainment system. My response was that Microsoft will clearly have the techie hardcore who will want to have everything. Of which you are one of them. Would have been nice if you just ended it there instead of now trying to turn this into a crusade against unseen enemies. Obviously, you don't represent the masses of casual gamers and that's where my concern about the Xbox lay. You obviously can't see that or refuse to see it and choose to continue arguing. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1625 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]